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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Sunday, September the seventh, and

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Speaker 1: we have a Phillies Karen. That is what she's being called.

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Speaker 1: That is the person that everyone is directing their ire

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Speaker 1: towards these days. But we are going to try and

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Speaker 1: to find a way right now to defend Phillies Karen.

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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Speaker 1: TJ Robes. You have been looking at this video repeatedly

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Speaker 1: right before we came on and got in front of

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Speaker 1: these mics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you said we're going to defend I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna take issue with that.

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Speaker 1: You're already backing away from it.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I never agreed to defend her.

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Speaker 1: You are separating yourself from this woman immediately.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, because I thought from what I saw, it

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Speaker 2: was just it was awful and it actually made me

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Speaker 3: It was gross.

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Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to ask. Can you give me

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Speaker 1: an emotional reaction? We can break down and elements of

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Speaker 1: But how did you feel look like an emotional reaction?

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Speaker 3: What was it anger?

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Speaker 2: Like? I actually felt like I wanted like and I

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Speaker 2: actually wanted to do, like I wanted to push her.

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Speaker 2: That's just it was like stop or you just want

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Speaker 2: to slap her, like what are you doing? Or like

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Speaker 2: maybe honestly, a really fun thing would have been to

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Speaker 2: do whilch is hold up a mirror, let her see

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Speaker 2: the interesting thing is she can see herself if she

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Speaker 2: so chooses, because the video of her doing what she

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Speaker 2: did is everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And what does she think of it when she sees it? Folks,

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Speaker 1: Probably at this point you all have seen or heard

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Speaker 1: about what happened at a Philadelphia Phillies versus Florida Marlin's game.

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Speaker 1: This game was on Friday. The incident as we can

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Speaker 1: describe Philadelphia excuse me, yeah, yeah, Phillies player hits a

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Speaker 1: home run, goes into the second deck. Everybody scrambles for

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Speaker 1: who comes out with it. But it's always a mad scramble. Fine,

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Speaker 1: there was a scramble for a ball. A man comes

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Speaker 3: He couldn't wait slam, Yes, he couldn't wait.

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Speaker 1: Well, seconds later and the cameras stay on this moment,

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Speaker 1: this is all happening on live television. Seconds later, a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he recoiled.

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Speaker 1: He completely scared the hell out of here.

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Speaker 3: He was definitely scared.

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Speaker 2: His jaw kind of dropped and he pulled his hands

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Speaker 2: So to me, that almost speaks volumes where we'll get

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Speaker 1: You know, you're right. It looked like he was getting

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Speaker 1: she's berating him. This goes on for ten plus seconds probably,

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Speaker 3: She certainly is.

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Speaker 2: There were two girls I believe who were behind while

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Speaker 3: Took it from me. It was in my hands.

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Speaker 2: But people have gone back and looked at the video

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Speaker 2: so it's hard to see. But it was second. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it did not look like there was. There was no

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Speaker 3: He popped up with the ball in like a second. Yes,

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. He was not pulling it from anyone.

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Speaker 1: There was no scuffle. It looked like everybody was going

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Speaker 1: He is clearly he didn't take it from her. We

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Speaker 1: She ends up leaving the stadium, leaving the area in

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Speaker 1: short order, according to the dad, But the Marlins team

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Speaker 2: Right. You might have one person who acted badly, but

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Speaker 1: In the dad said, well, yeah, it was shown in

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Speaker 1: He said, people were booing incessantly at this woman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were calling her a Karen from immediately. They

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Speaker 2: Should be on my side, you should be standing by me,

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Speaker 2: And he was like yeah, no, and yeah. Karen was

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Speaker 1: We are not going to say a name here on

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Speaker 2: There have been some places of employment that have actually

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Speaker 3: Out who she is.

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Speaker 3: So anyone who knows her is going.

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Speaker 2: To know that is who the mysterious Karen is on

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Speaker 1: But what should we do with that? What should we

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Speaker 2: No, we shouldn't want anything with that. No, I don't

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Speaker 2: by saying or doing things about her online, then we're

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Speaker 2: She's gonna be called Karen for the rest of her life.

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Speaker 2: There's probably no way to avoid that. She is going

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Speaker 1: I I always try to reserve a moment here for grace,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it rises to that level. He chose

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Speaker 1: Then she's getting Now? No, I just don't And I

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Speaker 2: Celebrating his tenth birthday and she took a ball from him.

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Speaker 2: Well, now he's the talk of the town. He goes

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that he should have.

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Speaker 2: Since he's going to be he's gonna be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you this, though. What would you have

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Speaker 3: I would not have given her the ball?

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Speaker 1: You think you would have said it that calmly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I think you would have responded angrily.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I would have gone sarcastically that far.

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Speaker 2: But I also, I think interestingly for me, I have

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Speaker 1: Is not at all a criticism of the day in

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Speaker 2: Really, I think she's an a student in that actually,

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Speaker 2: But I do think it's interesting what he chose to

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Speaker 1: And this is where I and we did it with

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Speaker 1: That's a tough what if? But if you had that

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Speaker 1: Let that be a lesson to that's all right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he did the thing that actually was.

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Speaker 2: The like the christ like thing to do. He just

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Speaker 1: But then Roles, he still didn't have anything negative to

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't. He said, I don't want her life

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Speaker 2: Right because he said, I thought this was kind of funny.

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Speaker 2: No, because she didn't have it. So I mean that

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Speaker 2: But it ultimately ended up in his hands a hundred percent. So,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying here.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't even in his hands.

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Speaker 2: He actually threw both of his hands up on his

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Speaker 2: chest because he was so surprised by her, clearly without

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Speaker 2: a ball in his hand. So I'm sorry, I'm just

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Speaker 2: not going to be able to back you up on

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Speaker 2: that defense of her.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to find anything to explain why someone

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Speaker 1: would do what she did.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Ego, pride and just entitlement.

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Speaker 1: People have bad moments. She is getting to see hers

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Speaker 1: over and over and over for again. This is a

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Speaker 1: happy ending. This is a happy story. It is not

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Speaker 1: really about the worst in people, but just how good

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Speaker 1: people are when we see something like that. I got

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Speaker 1: nothing else. I have no way to defend this lady.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it is defensible, and I think

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Speaker 2: the only I think really the big silver lining here

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Speaker 2: is that Lincoln had an amazing tenth birthday, and even

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Speaker 2: though he saw one person act really badly, he saw

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Speaker 2: hundreds of others or at least dozens of others act amazingly.

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Speaker 2: So it's just it's a restoration in the goodness in

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Speaker 2: most people and a recognition that there are bad apples

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Speaker 2: out there. And you know what, to those folks who

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Speaker 2: act that way, they create their own misery, They create their.

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Speaker 3: Own prison of sorts.

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Speaker 2: And I don't wish anything ill for this woman, but

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Speaker 2: I hope, I hope that this could be a breakthrough,

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Speaker 2: a moment where you turn your life around, you decide

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Speaker 2: to act differently and be different. And I do believe

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Speaker 2: that people can change, and there sometimes has to be

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Speaker 2: huge moments of even humiliation where you hit rock bottom

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Speaker 2: and then you say, wow, I need to be different.

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Speaker 2: So there could be actually everyone could win at the

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Speaker 2: end of this, And I think it's just a lesson

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Speaker 2: that sometimes i'd like to in all tragedies, when when

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Speaker 2: things don't go the way you want them to, I

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Speaker 2: just feel like that's when people rise up and you

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Speaker 2: see all the community around you, and those are the

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Speaker 2: moments to cherish.

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Speaker 1: And I cherish these moments that we all come together,

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Speaker 1: like not just because we hate her, but universally, we

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Speaker 1: could look at something and go, that's not right, Like

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Speaker 1: there's no argument necessarily, there's no gray area. Right what

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Speaker 1: just happened? And we have to be better than this.

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Speaker 1: And we're seeing so many incidents and maybe this would

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Speaker 1: will put people on notice in crowds, so many cameras,

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Speaker 1: and you can become instantly infamous. Yeah who wants that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't.

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Speaker 2: Your reputation is one of those things it's really hard

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Speaker 2: to get back once it's gone. Like I said, she's

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Speaker 2: probably gonna be called Karen for the rest of her life.

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Speaker 1: What her name really is Karen?

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Speaker 2: Well, I always feel feel really bad for people whose

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Speaker 2: name is Karen.

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Speaker 1: It's tough, all right, folks. For Amy, I'm TJ. Se

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Speaker 1: Ser