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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal? Indeed we do. Once again,

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Speaker 1: we have all angles of the Ukraine crisis covered for

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Speaker 1: you the very latest updates as far as we can

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Speaker 1: tell from the ground, some new sort of indications of

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Speaker 1: how China may be grappling with all of this, which

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Speaker 1: of course is incredibly significant for the reordering of all

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Speaker 1: of geopolitics, but also hopefully to try to get to

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Speaker 1: an end of this war. Also some updates on what

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Speaker 1: is going on with the oligarchs, some signs of splits there,

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Speaker 1: also some of their luxury goods being seized, while the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration a little bit wishy washy on if they're

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Speaker 1: going to do what it takes to get the banks

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Speaker 1: new comments from our former President Trump that are not

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Speaker 1: particularly helpful. Also all the very latest from across the

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Speaker 1: board CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News on their worst possible

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Speaker 1: Ukraine takes. So we have all of that for you,

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Speaker 1: so bad. We also have Congress and Rokana going to

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Speaker 1: to update us on the Ukraine situation, and that indeed

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Speaker 1: is where we want to start. Yeah, so let's start

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Speaker 1: with Ukraine. As we guys have been seeing, we use

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Speaker 1: this mapping service that's going to put it up there

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Speaker 1: where things stand. So you can see there that the

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Speaker 1: front line has moved a little bit closer than where

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Speaker 1: it was previously. We continue to see a Russian attack

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Speaker 1: on the city of Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. Now

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Speaker 1: and in terms of when things get back to normal

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Speaker 1: a they could never be, we don't know what that is.

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Speaker 1: And insurgencies that lasts a long time. I mean that

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Speaker 1: another reason that that number of four hundred to combat debts.

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Speaker 1: We didn't really have a full blown insurgency in Iraq

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Speaker 1: until two years in since two thousand and five. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it can take a long time. So this is why

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Speaker 1: I said at the beginning, never underestimate they follow on

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Speaker 1: in the fortieth effects of war, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Russians are going to find that out really the hard

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Speaker 1: way in the years to come. Yeah, as much as

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Speaker 1: they are more committed to Ukraine than we are, the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians are more committed to Ukraine than the Russians are.

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Speaker 1: And I think there were some dramatic miscalculations here going in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's smart, Okay, why don't we go ahead and move

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Speaker 1: on to China. Yeah, So there has been some contradictory

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Speaker 1: reports and signs about exactly China's positioning in all of this.

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Speaker 1: So let's take you through all of those. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and put this first New York Times piece up

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Speaker 1: on the screen, which is their reporting. And again this

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Speaker 1: is based on a Western intelligence report and we don't

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Speaker 1: have the evidence, so keep all of those grains of

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Speaker 1: salt in mind. But they're reporting that China basically had

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Speaker 1: a heads up before for this invasion and kind of

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Speaker 1: gave the okay as long as the Russians waited until

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Speaker 1: after the Olympic. Yes, and that, of course is exactly

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Speaker 1: when the invasion actually happened. And it's funny because I

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Speaker 1: was talking to a friend of mine who works for

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Speaker 1: the government last week who's just a regular like civilian

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Speaker 1: Jude and He's like, I called this date because I

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Speaker 1: knew they wouldn't do it while the Chinese Olympics in China,

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Speaker 1: we're going on the time. But it actually seems to

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Speaker 1: be a real thing. It may have been actually legit,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that brings China into kind of a

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Speaker 1: level of complicity and makes some of their actions after

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Speaker 1: the fact makes sense, the fact that they've helped to

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Speaker 1: bolster the Russian wheat market. Let's put the next element

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. There's a UN Security Council, there's

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Speaker 1: a UN General Assembly vote, and one of the countries

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Speaker 1: that continues to abstain is China. Now I guess that's

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Speaker 1: better than them, you know, voting against the resolution to

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Speaker 1: condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But they're trying to keep

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Speaker 1: hands off. However, the very latest comments from China sort

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Speaker 1: of signal a bit of a shift potentially in how

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Speaker 1: they're viewing all of this, because I think they also

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Speaker 1: have to feel, like, like Putin, this isn't going exactly

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Speaker 1: the way that they expected it would go. The Western

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Speaker 1: countries are more unified, there's been more consequences to bear

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Speaker 1: on Russia. The military campaign itself is not going all that, well,

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Speaker 1: so let's put this next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: China is signaling that they are ready to play a

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Speaker 1: role in finding a ceasefire in Ukraine. And this is

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Speaker 1: the strong language here, This is the strongest they used.

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Speaker 1: They deplored quote the outbreak of conflict. Those are their

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Speaker 1: strongest comments yet on Russia's invasion, and of course this

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Speaker 1: really matters. They also said that they were extremely concerned

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Speaker 1: about the harm to civilians that came after a phone

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Speaker 1: call between the Chinese Foreign Minister and their Ukrainian counterparts,

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Speaker 1: So there are conversations that are happening back and forth here.

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Speaker 1: They also added they respected the territorial integrity of all countries,

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Speaker 1: without directly indicating whether Beijing accepted Russia's claim to the

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Speaker 1: Crimean Peninsula or shared its recognition of separatists in the

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Speaker 1: Dawnbas region of eastern Ukraine. So there seems to be

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Speaker 1: a bit of a tonal shift here, and it matters

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Speaker 1: obviously massively, because China is Russia's biggest ally in this

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Speaker 1: fight in terms of the geopolitics. Part of what this

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Speaker 1: looked like going in is this sort of realignment of

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Speaker 1: Russia allied with China, with the West another on the

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Speaker 1: other side, and so any signs of a sort of

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Speaker 1: schism in how China is approaching this and thinking about this, well,

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Speaker 1: they're the ones who are really in position to put

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Russia. There's one more piece

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Speaker 1: that may give some insight into why they feel like

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Speaker 1: this is not, you know, furthering their interest if you're

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Speaker 1: the Chinese. This is from Foreign Policy. Our producer James

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Speaker 1: found this piece Putin's War has killed China's Eurasian railway dreams.

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Speaker 1: So a key part of the Belton Road initiative is

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Speaker 1: something they've dubbed the Iron Silk Road. This is a

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Speaker 1: railway corridor that crosses all of Eurasia, runs through Kazakhstan, Russia,

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Speaker 1: and Belarus. And effectively, if you have this railway going

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Speaker 1: through all of these countries, they could be massively impacted

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Speaker 1: by European sanctions on Russia. Because almost half of the

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Speaker 1: roots in this initiative, which is really again a sort

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Speaker 1: of key priority, which has been held up and really

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Speaker 1: used as propaganda with the Chinese population as well, half

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Speaker 1: of those routes passed through Russia. So they have their

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Speaker 1: own financial and strategic considerations here that they feel like,

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Speaker 1: are maybe this whole Russia invading Ukraine thing is not

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Speaker 1: going the way that they also had wanted it to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's very important that you put it that way. The

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Speaker 1: Belton Road initiative is central to the communist parties staying

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Speaker 1: in power and selling the economic vision to the Chinese people.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at this, what you see is

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Speaker 1: a catastrophe for the Chinese to lose even a part

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Speaker 1: of that. Then geopolitically, for them to be aligned with

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Speaker 1: Russia in this way, it's a huge problem because if

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Speaker 1: you think Russia getting cut off from the global financial

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Speaker 1: system is bad, imagine China getting cut off from the

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Speaker 1: global financial system. I doubt many of these companies and

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Speaker 1: others would be willing to do that, given how much

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Speaker 1: of the size of the market actually is. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would cause them to really have to choose about what's happening.

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Speaker 1: That being said, even a ten percent drop would be

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Speaker 1: catastrophe for the Chinese economy and for the entire global

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Speaker 1: financial system. So when they're looking at what's happening with Russia,

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Speaker 1: they have to play this very very hard diplomatically, because

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Speaker 1: obviously they can't abandon the Russians. But abstaining in the

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Speaker 1: Security Council on their behalf with Iraq, India and I

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Speaker 1: forget what the other country was, they went ahead and

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Speaker 1: did so. That was a big gesture because they combine

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Speaker 1: that with that statement deploring the outbreak of the conflict,

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Speaker 1: which obviously you can read both ways. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of the actual relations between Moscow and Beijing in this,

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Speaker 1: I think it's no question that Beijing obviously wanted Russia

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Speaker 1: not to do this until after the Olympics, but has

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Speaker 1: also looked at this with great alarm. Beijing has long

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Speaker 1: believed that they can pursue kind of strategic autonomy in

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Speaker 1: terms of what they get to do in their country

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Speaker 1: and that the West would mostly frown but they could

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Speaker 1: get away with whatever they want, and I mean they're

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Speaker 1: mostly and that has been true. But when they saw

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Speaker 1: what happened in terms of the global backlash to Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: and this is why there's a lot of takes out

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Speaker 1: there like, oh, I think China is going to move

554
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Speaker 1: on Taiwan, I actually think this sets that back significantly.

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Speaker 1: I would say it reduces the likelihood if you're watching

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Speaker 1: the geopolitical cancelation quote unquote of all of Russia. If

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Speaker 1: you're China, you're ten times more vulnerable to that. And

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Speaker 1: if you have even twenty something percent of that backlash,

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Speaker 1: that crater your entire domestic economy. And if you think

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Speaker 1: the Russian oligarchs are reliant on outside banks and all that,

561
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Speaker 1: wait until you meet the Chinese oligarchs. These people are

562
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Speaker 1: probably ten times shadier, more corrupt, and have a lot

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Speaker 1: more to lose, and are in themselves also an important

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Speaker 1: power broker within that country. So I think what we're

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Speaker 1: watching with the global financial system cutting off Russia, the

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Speaker 1: kind of cultural pushback is something Beijing cannot risk and

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Speaker 1: actually needs to not happen for their economic expansion goals.

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Speaker 1: A key part of for example, the Belton Road initiative

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Speaker 1: and they're twenty made in China twenty twenty five plan

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Speaker 1: is the ability to import massive amounts of natural gas

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Speaker 1: and oil. Well, what's the easiest thing to cut off, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's energy resources. The same thing whenever it comes to

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Speaker 1: their trading routes. Part of the whole reason they even

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Speaker 1: want Taiwan and the Taiwan Straits in the first place

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Speaker 1: is to control the rules of the game for forty

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Speaker 1: something percent of the world old shipping, same in the

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Speaker 1: Straits of Malacca and all of their ability to project

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Speaker 1: power in the sea. This is what it all comes

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Speaker 1: down to global trade, and if they get cut off

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Speaker 1: from the trading system, they're screwed. I mean, they truly

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Speaker 1: will crater and a lot of their power and ability

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Speaker 1: to project power is gone. The way they look at

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Speaker 1: soft power is the same thing in terms of Africa

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the deals that they have in

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Speaker 1: terms of financing all of this. They're not even close

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Speaker 1: to being able to have a truly autarchic system in China.

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Speaker 1: So I would look at this and I would say,

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Speaker 1: what's happening as a catastrophe. There's going to actually be

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Speaker 1: and probably will invite diplomatic backlash on Beijing specifically because

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Speaker 1: of what has happened here. Combine that with the entire

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Speaker 1: world rightfully blames them for not lying about COVID in

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Speaker 1: the beginning, and you have a big problem on your hands.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Pew Research polling shows that favorable views

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Speaker 1: of China fell like fifty some percent across the entire

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Speaker 1: world East and West after COVID. Combine that with this,

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Speaker 1: they're now on par with Russia, not as much of

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Speaker 1: a pariah state, but very much have the like in

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Speaker 1: terms of domestic political will to cut them off. It

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Speaker 1: exists if they do something in Taiwan. Yeah. And so

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Speaker 1: the reason this is so incredibly critical is because they

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Speaker 1: are the people who could really put pressure off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they are yes, and it seems like they are again.

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Speaker 1: You always want to take these things with a grain

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Speaker 1: of salt, but if they are truly shifting, you know,

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Speaker 1: hopefully that could force Putin to look for an off

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Speaker 1: ramp here instead of looking to continue to escalate, looking

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Speaker 1: at other, you know, potential areas that he would want

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Speaker 1: to expand into. That's the hope. And you know, again

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Speaker 1: there are diplomatic talks that are happening today. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody expects much to come out of that, but

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Speaker 1: somebody has to move off of their current positions if

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Speaker 1: you're going to have any resolution to this conflict in

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Speaker 1: anything approaching the near term. And if China can bring

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Speaker 1: pressure to bear on Russia, that would be a tiny

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Speaker 1: sliver of hope that you could see and opening some

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Speaker 1: of the other pressure that's being brought to Barrel. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the latest situation with the oligarchs here, So

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and with this first pieces up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. So the Germans have seized a Russian billionaire's

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Speaker 1: super yacht. This ship. Are they called ships? Is that

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Speaker 1: what they call them? A yacht? I don't know. Is

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Speaker 1: there a difference between a yacht and a ship? I

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Speaker 1: don't really know. There's anyway screaming into their cars right now,

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Speaker 1: I truly have no idea. Okay, I know people get

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Speaker 1: very picky about these distinctions. Anyway, this giant super yacht,

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Speaker 1: one of the largest in the world, was seized in Germany.

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Speaker 1: We've had new indications from the US government that they

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Speaker 1: want to even expand their list of which oligarchs are sanctioned.

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Speaker 1: We've also had reports from the UK, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of their money and toys are stashed there as well,

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Speaker 1: that they're going to get more serious about cracking down.

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Speaker 1: This is another interesting thing that we've been tracking here

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Speaker 1: is a little bit of schisms in the Russian oligarch

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Speaker 1: community with regards to their orientation towards the Kremlin. So

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Speaker 1: to put this next piece up on the screen. We

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Speaker 1: had told you before that this particular Russian billionaire, who

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Speaker 1: Roman Abramovich, who owned the Chelsea Football Club. Initially he

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Speaker 1: was stepping back from that ownership. Now he's saying he's

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Speaker 1: selling it all together and will use the proceeds to

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Speaker 1: benefit quote all victims of the war in Ukraine. So

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Speaker 1: clearly there's not just direct government pressure. There's also a

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Speaker 1: lot of sort of social cultural public pressure being brought

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Speaker 1: to bear on these individuals. I have no problem with

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Speaker 1: that whatsoever. However, the other side of this, and this

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Speaker 1: gets a little bit tricky, but this is really important,

646
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: is of course all of these global financial institutions. They're

647
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Speaker 1: the ones that handle the money. They're the ones that

648
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: finance the superyachts, that finance the private jets, and so

649
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: you can't just go after the oligarchs. You have to

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Speaker 1: make sure that you know these global financial institutions are

651
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: also playing ball, and that gets very uncomfortable for governments

652
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: like ours that are in bed with these very same banks.

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Speaker 1: So one instance of this, let's put the Financial Times

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Speaker 1: tearsheet up on the screen, is Credit Suisse. They have

655
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Speaker 1: asked investors to destroy documents linked to oligarch and tycoon

656
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: yacht loans, which is a little suspicious. They've asked hedge

657
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: funds and other investors. This is a quote from them

658
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: to destroy documents relating to its richest clients yachts and

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Speaker 1: private jets, in an attempt to stop information leaking about

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Speaker 1: a unit of the bank that has made loans to

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Speaker 1: oligarchs who were later sanctioned. Investors this week receive letters

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Speaker 1: from the Swiss Bank requesting they destroy the documents relating

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Speaker 1: to a securitization of loans backed by jets, yachts, real estate,

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Speaker 1: and or other financial assets. That's according to three people

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Speaker 1: whose firm received the request. This story actually goes even

666
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: a level deeper. Credit Swse had massive losses because of

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Speaker 1: previous rounds of oligarch sanctions because they were sort of

668
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: a key player in the financing of the oligarch jet

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Speaker 1: and yacht market. And so what they did to help

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Speaker 1: to lower their own losses as they bundled these all together,

671
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: they turn them into a security and then they sold

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Speaker 1: them off to these hedge funds to try to limit

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Speaker 1: their own risk. So that's why these hedge funds had

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Speaker 1: these documents detailing all of these sort of like oligarch

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Speaker 1: yacht and private jet loans, and that's why they're being told, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's not really highlight the fact, let's keep any other

677
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Speaker 1: leaks from coming out about just how involved we are

678
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: with this dirty money. So that's peace number one, Peace

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Speaker 1: number two. And this is from our great friends at

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Speaker 1: the Daily Poster, David Zorota and co. So they're at

681
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Speaker 1: the same time that they're asking these investors to destroy documents,

682
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Speaker 1: the Biden administration is potentially taking a sort of giving

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00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: credit Suite a pass on an exemption that they need

684
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Speaker 1: in order to be able to be involved in pension funds.

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00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: So again, this gets to our government and other governments

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Speaker 1: around the world going to be willing to actually hold

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Speaker 1: these financial institutions to account in order to effectively sanction

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Speaker 1: these oligarchs. And there's some indications that they're going to

689
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Speaker 1: kind of give credit Suites a pass, allow them to

690
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: have an exemption that allows them to continue to profit

691
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: in the pension retirement fund industry even though they have

692
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: been convicted of fraud and should be kicked out of

693
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Speaker 1: that market. So again, the reason this is significant is

694
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Speaker 1: because it's an indication of whether or not the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration is going to really do what it takes to

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Speaker 1: go after these finances and the dirty money. Yeah, no,

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00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: That's why it matters the most on all of this.

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00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: And it's actually very interesting to consider the architecture of

699
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Speaker 1: the West financial system. For as much as we like

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Speaker 1: to think that we're clean and we have all these

701
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: banks regulations, here's the truth. We invited these Russians over here.

702
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: Why because we wanted their money. That's what a lot

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00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: you think. All of Europe opened its doors and I

704
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: was like, come on in, we got bangs. Oh you

705
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: want to hang on Monaco, It's all good. Oh you

706
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: like this, Oh, we'll take your credit whenever it comes

707
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: to this. Oh, the Swiss have your back. Great, sounds good.

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Speaker 1: We accept the check. Mister Abramovich, welcome to Chelsea. You know,

709
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: this is exactly the problem, which is that for years

710
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Speaker 1: we were willing to play foot see the entire West.

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00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm using the Royal We was willing to play foot

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Speaker 1: see with this Russian money because they had a ton

713
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Speaker 1: of it. And this is the thing too about Russia,

714
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Speaker 1: They're just they're not even that big of a they

715
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: don't even punch that big on the world stage. These oligarchs,

716
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: they're from all over the world, use the Western financial

717
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: system to wash their cash and to use their dirty

718
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: money to purchase influence and to live lavish lifestyles. I mean,

719
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Speaker 1: the Chinese own half of New York along with the Russians.

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Speaker 1: That's where half of it is. Is the Brazilians Latin

721
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: American oligarchs, they own all of Miami. In terms of London,

722
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Speaker 1: London is literally known as a Russian hub for oligarchs,

723
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Speaker 1: and part of the reason why even some of the

724
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: British crackdown on the oligarchs rhetorically might be there in

725
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: terms of what I've been reading, in terms of the

726
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: actual enforcement, it would cause like an actual recession in

727
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Speaker 1: terms of the housing market for the highest cup of

728
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Speaker 1: the high end real estate in the city of London.

729
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: You can have a high end real estate receive It's

730
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Speaker 1: like yeah, I know, like little Moscow in certain parts

731
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Speaker 1: of High Kensington and some of these areas in London.

732
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Speaker 1: Saying in the south of France, I mean, you know,

733
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Speaker 1: if you even go there, you know, to see anybody

734
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: who is not from you know, Saudi Arabia or desk

735
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: Spot regime is you know, out of the ordinary. So

736
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Speaker 1: I think that's what it really reveals to me is

737
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Speaker 1: just how corrupt and how much corrupt money is in

738
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Speaker 1: the global financial system and is readily allowed that we

739
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: don't even get to see until this happens. I have

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Speaker 1: no sympathy for these people. Threw them, take their yachts,

741
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: make their lives miserable. They're not good. But the fact

742
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Speaker 1: that it was even here in the first place, that

743
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: reveals a lot about us. Yeah, a lot of us

744
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: were willing to just catch those checks hundred percent. And

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Speaker 1: I think the previous report that we brought you yesterday

746
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Speaker 1: from the Daily Poster is also an important piece of this,

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Speaker 1: And just to remind you of those details. Because Wall

748
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: Street has made our financial system so opaque, so that

749
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of these luxury condominium multimillion dollar

750
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Speaker 1: condos that are being snatched up in places like Manhattan,

751
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: like you can't even tell who the owner is because

752
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: there's such a series of shell companies and it's so

753
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: incredibly opaque. And so when you know, the Biden administration

754
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: says we're going to sanction these oligarchs, it makes it

755
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: very difficult to actually do that because if you don't

756
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: know what they own, then you can't really sanction them.

757
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: So the fact that Wall Street has made those the

758
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: financial system so lacking in transparency makes it more difficult

759
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: to kind of exact any pain on the ruling elite class.

760
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking my monologue about how I

761
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: think those types of sanctions are what we should be

762
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: leaning into, and that the history of leaning into broad

763
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: sanctions that devastate the entire public is not one that

764
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: has resulted in, you know, the outcomes that we would

765
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: like to see. Not to mention the immoral dimension of that,

766
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: but the financial system has completely hobbled our ability to

767
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: go after people who have dirty money effective. Here's another one, Krystal.

768
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: It just came out of the Times of London this morning,

769
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Speaker 1: which is that building the sanctions case against Abramovich and

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Speaker 1: many of these other Russians in London quote may take

771
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Speaker 1: months because the Foreign Office in the National Crime Agency

772
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: has to have quote reasonable grounds for designating the oligarchs,

773
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Speaker 1: which requires them to then go through and subpoena their

774
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: banks and have to look at all this. So you know,

775
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Speaker 1: it's just another example, right of how difficult it's going

776
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: to actually be, given the architecture of this and when

777
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: you allow it in the first place to worm its

778
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: way into your financial system and into your society. It

779
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: is so incredibly difficult to root out. This is why

780
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: even letting them in in the first place was of

781
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: colossal and a gigantic mistake. I am not just talking

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Speaker 1: about the Russians. I'm talking about all oligarchs of the

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Speaker 1: Third world. I have a solution to this. I think

784
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 1: we should just seize all of the superyachts and the

785
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: private jets, and that way we can just take care

786
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: of it. Then there's no hypocrisy, there's no saying our

787
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: oligarchs they're better than those oligarchs. Let's just get all

788
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: of the superyachts off the map, and then we'll as

789
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: long as they see Jeff Bezos's rocket as well. Okay,

790
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm down. I'm definitely down with that. The rockets and

791
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: the lay and the superyachts. Yes, I'm good with all

792
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: of that. Okay, all right. We also wanted to bring

793
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: you the very latest comments and from President former President Trump.

794
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Speaker 1: And the reason that this matters is because, as we've

795
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: been reporting, public opinion is very much in flux right

796
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: now about how they think about this crisis, how involved

797
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: they want to be, how much more they want to do,

798
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: and even whether they want to get directly militarily involved. Obviously,

799
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: the most significant factor in shaping Republican base public opinion

800
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Speaker 1: is Donald Trump, and that's why his comments here are

801
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: significant and I would say extremely troubling. Let's take a

802
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: listen to what he has to say. This is a

803
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: this is a holocaust. This is a horrible thing that's happening.

804
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: You're witnessing and then you're seeing it on television every night.

805
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: Who can believe that there's hit them in the building?

806
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: Do you hit their oil sector? That's a far cry

807
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: crystal from the original turn of phrase that Trump used,

808
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: why don't you remind us on the screen where he

809
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: said that Putin was a genius and very savvy. This

810
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: is the problem with Trump. You know, words matter, and

811
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: when you also, I would love to see you know,

812
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: where is the Jewish community in condemning this comparison? You know,

813
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: we should actually be very careful in our language. If

814
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: this this is the Holocaust, then you are implying what

815
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: we are implying, a genocidal campaign that must be stopped,

816
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: the whole never again campaign that would kick in a

817
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: very significant military response from the United States for that

818
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Speaker 1: to happen. Do not use these words lightly. Just as

819
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: in the hypocrisy is that many of these people, because

820
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: they politically align with Trump, are not willing to call

821
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: him out on this. This type of rhetoric is dangerous.

822
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: If you are saying that that's what's happening here, then

823
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: that implies a level of military response which the United

824
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: States and the West is not currently undergoing. Also, calling

825
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Putin a genius and savvy is bad. It's like, this

826
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: is the problem with the variance of Trump and why

827
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: whenever you're all over the place. I love the people

828
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: too who are like, oh, this never would have happened

829
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: on a Trump. Maybe maybe, but this level of back

830
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: and forth and all of that goes to show you

831
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: that if he's willing to call it a holocaust, here's

832
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: what's going to happen if he was still president. What's happening.

833
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: They're going to use those words inside of the deep

834
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: state and the administration and the neocons will say, mister President,

835
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: you said it was a holocaust, So that means we

836
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: got to respond with X, Y, and Z. From a

837
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: military strategy, He's gonna be like, oh, okay, you know,

838
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: or allow that to happen or not rain those people in,

839
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: and it just goes to show to me that he

840
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: has no grand conception of what's happening here being purely reactive.

841
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's good, I genuinely believe that, Yeah, But when

842
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: it comes to this, that's terrible. When it comes to

843
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: potential World War three, that is horrendous, and you should

844
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: not people. What did we learn from the biggest idiocy

845
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: of stop the Steal? A lot of people believe every

846
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: single thing that this man has to say. Yeah, and

847
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 1: that's a problem. Whenever you're gonna use words like holocaust

848
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: and whenever that is put into the minds of people downstream,

849
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: effects are then going to be the most hawkish political options.

850
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: This is why I did a whole monologue saying, don't

851
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: compare this to Munich and to Hitler. Not everything is Hitler.

852
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: And whenever you use this type of language. Both on

853
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: the other side too, saying is a genius and a

854
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: savvy is going to invite, you know, actual sympathy to

855
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: what's happening. It is possible to say very nuanced thing,

856
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: what's happening with the invasion is really bad. The West

857
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: also played a role in rising tensions. However, that doesn't

858
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: invite a maximalist response. What's happening to the Ukraine is

859
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: very sad. It's not a holocaust. Yes, it should be

860
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: responded to. It also should not lead to an outright

861
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: nuclear exchange between the United States and Russia. Why there's

862
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: a vast landscape between Putin is a genius and it's

863
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: a holocaust. There's a whole ground in the middle where

864
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: you can where you can occupy and actually make a

865
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: little bit of sense and be a little bit useful here.

866
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean, this is where, Yeah, it's unfortunate that so

867
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: much rests on the utterances and like the mood of

868
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: this one man. This is one of those times where

869
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like it was wronged for them to

870
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: kick him off Twitter. But I'm kind of glad he's

871
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: not on Twitter right now. But we do see in

872
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: real time the GOP base completely changing how they're thinking

873
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 1: about this. I mean, they're the ones now eighty percent

874
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: say we're not doing enough right because they think Biden

875
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: is weak. And look, I agree with you on a

876
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: personal level, but you know, in terms of yes, but

877
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: I have to say I would way rather have Biden

878
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: in there right now, who showed some restraint on Afghanistan

879
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: and wasn't pressured into you know, going back in or

880
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: staying in by the deep state. There, then either Trump

881
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: or the other person that we've been highlighting is Hillary Clinton.

882
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: My god, God, thank god she's not in there and

883
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: chief right now. Woman is not the present. I mean,

884
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: like every day she floats some other horrible idea like, hey,

885
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: let's let's just casually have cyber warfare, you know, let's

886
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 1: casually have McCarthyism at home. It's anyway, I'm very glad

887
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: that neither of those two individuals is commander in chief

888
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: right now, even as I have all kinds of issues

889
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: and lack of confidence in Biden as well. It's a

890
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: low bar to meet, but I certainly prefer him to

891
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: those alternatives because you see the level of irresponsibility here,

892
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: the layer of lack of care with language when it

893
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: really really counts. So yeah, we called it out when

894
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 1: it was Pelosi making the you know, Nazi comparisons, and

895
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: with him it's even more significant because I don't think

896
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is swinging a whole lot of democratic based

897
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: public opinion at this point, but he really is the

898
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: one that people look to to see where they should

899
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: fall on an issue and how hard is it we're

900
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: going to tell you about, you know, Sager's about to

901
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: tell you about the media as well. How hard is

902
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: it to switch from we should do more to convince

903
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: those do more people to that do more as a

904
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: no fly zone, or that do more is you know,

905
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: more army in a way that is even more provocative

906
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: than what we've already done. It's not that hard once

907
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: you already have people bought into the idea of we're

908
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: not doing enough and this is a holocaust that justifies

909
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: all kinds of escalation that we don't want. I unfortunately

910
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: see this so clearly, which is that what I saw

911
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan was that a bunch of people who claim

912
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: to be America first are actually just reactive, emotional people

913
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: willing to be played by the media and the neocons

914
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: because they hate Joe Biden so much it short circuits

915
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: their brain into what an actual foreign policy of what

916
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: they claim to want looks like. This is going to

917
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: be the same thing, which is that it's going to

918
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: come down to the narrative of Biden is weak and

919
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: when weakness is implied, like I said, I even agree

920
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: with you on a personal level, but when weakness is

921
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: implied that means you should do more and you should

922
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: be strong, and then the people who have a professional

923
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: ability to translate being strong with war mongering can hijack

924
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: use that rhetoric in order to then justify series of

925
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: escalatory actions which will lead to a nuclear exchange with Russia. Also,

926
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: I think everybody continues to make fun of US crystals,

927
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: being like you keep saying that this is going to

928
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: lead to nuclear war? What's your evidence for that? My

929
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: evidence is actually that NATO former NATO commander that we

930
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: brought all of you, Philip Reedlove, he actually laid it out.

931
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: A no fly zone does not just mean oh there's

932
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: a Russian over Ukraine, you should shoot it down. Well,

933
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: when you shoot that down, then they're going to fire back,

934
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: and where they fire back from is Russia. And as

935
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: part of a no fly zone, to enforce that, to

936
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: protect the safety of our planes, we would then have

937
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: to bomb their anti aircraft defense. And then they would

938
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: have to ensure that their anti aircraft defences get bombed,

939
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: so they would have to bomb our station in a

940
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: forward deployed NATO country. Oh look, you just hit the

941
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: NATO tripwire and now we are at what a fifty

942
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: percent likelihood of nuclear war. That's how quickly that can happen.

943
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: Two planes getting shot down and then a retaliatory action. Yeah,

944
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: that's five days away from a full blown consideration of

945
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: an actual nuclear exchange between the US and Russia. Well,

946
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: and here's the thing about nuclear war is you don't

947
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: even want to have a one percent So are we

948
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: sitting here saying it's definitely that it's happening, it's gonna happen. No,

949
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: But you want to avoid even a tiny, little percentage

950
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: possibility that you end up in that situation, which is why.

951
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: That's the real reason why. I think that's the other

952
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 1: thing is why does this conflict matter so much? Why

953
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: do we devote so much attention to it? Why are

954
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: we following all of the ins and outs? That's the

955
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: real reason why is because this is how how much

956
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: this is the closest we have come to that kind

957
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: of nuclear precipice in decades, and so too, it's so

958
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: much closer than people think. That's that's it, And so

959
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: that's why we have a direct interest in every little

960
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: thing that happens here that we can possibly figure out,

961
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: because even if it's a tiny percentage chance that is

962
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: something that we need to pay very close attention to

963
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: and be very very deeply concerned about and do everything

964
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: we can do. I've I've been reading as much as

965
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: I can to try and give everybody historical parallels here,

966
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: like the world was so close to nuclear war in

967
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: the Berlin Crisis of nineteen sixty one and then the

968
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: October Cuban missile crisis of nineteen sixty two. I mean,

969
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: it came down to pure luck, Robert McNamara has said

970
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: in terms of a Cuba missile crisis and in terms

971
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: of the planes, this is a good example. An American

972
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: fighter pilot of a U two or sorry, of one

973
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: of the spy aircraft was shot down over Cuba and

974
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: there was significant consideration within the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

975
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: They're like, we got to respond, we got to shoot

976
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: them down, we got to go into that. That would

977
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: have led to a nuclear exchange within twenty four hours

978
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: of that happening. I'm just trying to outline that for people.

979
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: Same in the Berlin crisis in nineteen sixty one, with

980
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: the Berlin Wall going up, and there was a significant

981
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: escalation where there was an idea and a consideration they're

982
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: like if a tank crosses West Berlin, they're like the

983
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: nukes start flying within you know, twenty minutes, thirty minutes. Yeah,

984
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: that's all it takes. So don't underestimate even the slightest

985
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: little actions can and have led to the outright break

986
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: of a nuclear war. And I don't want you know it.

987
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: I just think I said this in our last show.

988
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: The unthinkable becomes thinkable quickly in times of madness. Well

989
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: especially while this is definitely a time of madness. I

990
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: mean there is a mass hysteria that is taking hold

991
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: that has you know, everybody banning anything that has anything

992
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: to do with Russia, vandalizing Russian seeming businesses, and I

993
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: mean all of that. You're in DC actually a great

994
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: bar Russia House. Shout out to Russia House. Yeah, which

995
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: is I mean this this type of hysteria and just

996
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: blatant xenophobia also leads to horrendous places. But the other

997
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: thing I was thinking about is the sort of the

998
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: incentive and the media environment is so much worse now

999
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: because you have the defense industrial complex, the military industrial complex,

1000
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: so much larger and more powerful. You know, every year

1001
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: they grow more powerful. Of course, their stock while the

1002
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: stock market has not been doing well overall, their stocks

1003
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: are way up. They have a vested interest in continuing

1004
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: to push escalating conflicts. And then you know, on the

1005
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: other side of this, the media only cheers in one direction, like,

1006
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, politically, you're going to be rewarded every time

1007
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: for doing war and taking more hawkish actions, and oftentimes

1008
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: you're politically really hurt by, you know, taking the de

1009
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: escalatory tactics because sometimes that requires putting ego aside, that

1010
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: requires sort of acknowledging the limits of our power to

1011
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: something that you know, it's easy to kind of rail

1012
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: against and say, no, we got to be the we

1013
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: got to be the bad guy, we got to be

1014
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: the big guys. We got to be the bullies on

1015
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: the block, we got to be the world police. So

1016
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: that's also why this is a dangerous situation, and why

1017
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: do take comfort in the fact that we saw Biden

1018
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: resist some of that pressure with the Afghan withdrawal. I

1019
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: thank God for it too. Okay, let's go ahead and

1020
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: move on specifically to what you're talking about, because each

1021
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: of the examples that we're going to show you is

1022
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: exactly one where you can see what Chrystal just laid out,

1023
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: which is that the media rewards hawkishness and sleeplessly is

1024
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: willing to just walk you right into World War three

1025
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: under the griyse of compassion. First, let's put up Gail

1026
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: King from CBS News pressing Kamala har why aren't you

1027
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: doing more? Put that up there on the screen in

1028
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: terms of Russia's aggression. I hear you on that, But

1029
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: those images are heartbreaking to watch. We see innocent civilians

1030
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: being killed, we see children being killed, and the administration

1031
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: has made it clear there will be no boots on

1032
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: the ground. What will it take, Will anything change that?

1033
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: Will we stand by and watch innocent people continue to

1034
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: be killed? Here? Well, Gailia absolutely right. It's heart wrenching.

1035
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking the image of a missile that's struck just

1036
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: right next to a children's playground. The Ukrainians who are

1037
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: as civilians taking up defense of their nation out of

1038
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 1: pride and also an understanding of what is at stake

1039
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: in terms of their vitality and their independence. So it

1040
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: is heart wrenching, to be sure, But I will tell

1041
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: you the President is clear, we are clear we are

1042
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: not going to put US troops in Ukraine to fight

1043
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: the Russians, not on the ground, not in the air.

1044
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: But are we really just going to stand by and

1045
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: do nothing? And then what are we going to stand

1046
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: by and allow a nuclear war to erupt between our

1047
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: two nations? The lack of consideration by some of these

1048
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: people who are at the highest levels of the news

1049
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: media is stunning. You need to understand what you're saying.

1050
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: And it's not a coincidence that that exact same sentiment

1051
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: was expressed by NBC needs to chief Foreign correspondent Richard Engele.

1052
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: You know, something Glenn Greenwall has been pointing out is

1053
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 1: the outright shamelessness which which these people who are quote

1054
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: unquote reporters are willing to just admit that they are

1055
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: outright activists and are allowing their emotion to get the

1056
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 1: better of them. Richard Engle apparently bragged about how getting

1057
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: into Iraq was the greatest thing that ever happened to

1058
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: his career. You know Clarissa Ward, who actually praised some

1059
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: of her reporting on Afghanistan, well, apparently she's admitted on

1060
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: a podcast that she sent an email to Ben Rhoades

1061
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: during the bombing of Aleppo saying something like I hope

1062
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: that you know you guys can sleep well at night

1063
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: because Aleppo is bombed to the great hold on a second.

1064
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: Hold on, you're a reporter, you should not be advocating

1065
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: for that type of response. Also, let's take the Syrian example,

1066
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: and I'll admit at the time, I was a lot

1067
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: more hawkish, and I blame a lot of the media

1068
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Speaker 1: environment that I was consuming, which is, let's consider what

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00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and the establishment wanted to do at that time.

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00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: They wanted to institute a no fly zone over Syria

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00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: at the time when Russian active jets were flying around

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: this place and dropping cluster munitions on people. I think

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00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: that's terrible. What's gonna happen? Though we're gonna shoo down

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: a Russian plane, you just ended up in the exact

1075
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: same scenario that I outlined in our previous block about

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00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: a nuclear exchange, the thoughtlessness which which you're gonna stand

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00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: by and do nothing. You cannot have that mindset when

1078
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: you were dealing with a nuclear power. This is when

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00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: we talk about North Korea. It's the same thing. What

1080
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: the world's just gonna stand by and let Kim Jong

1081
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: uns starve his own people. It's not that easy, man.

1082
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: He's got an ICBM, he can destroy Los Angeles. We

1083
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: have to consider that. This is why nuclear power just

1084
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: the whole game of how we must consider politics. And

1085
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: unfortunately it is a guarantee for a lot of these

1086
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: regimes that if you have one, you can basically do

1087
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: whatever you want. I mean, that's the truth. Yeah, in

1088
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: terms of this technology. Well, and the thing that is

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00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: so nefarious about the framing both of Richard Engel that

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00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: we covered before and also Gail King of basically like, oh,

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00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: you're just gonna let innocent people get slaughtered. This is

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00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: how you end up with people who are supposedly liberal

1093
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: or progressive humanitarians being the most hawkish people on the planet.

1094
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this is how you end up with the

1095
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton mindset of like, we have to do something,

1096
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: we have to Innocent people are getting killed, and lord knows,

1097
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: like it is horrific watching what is going on on

1098
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: the ground right now and tracking the loss of human

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00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: life and the civilians who are being killed and the

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: families that are sheltering underground, like we see all of that.

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: It is horrible. But if you escalate those life losses

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00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: just become even greater, even more suffering. And you know,

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00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: if there's one thing that we've proved for our military adventurism,

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00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: it's that we're not particularly good at accomplishing the goals

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00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: that we set out to in the first place. So

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00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: that's why I find this framing so really nefarious, because

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00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: you end up turning people who should be on the

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00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: side of de escalation, who should be looking at that

1109
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: bigger picture. You end up pushing them to think that

1110
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: the good and righteous and civilized society thing to do

1111
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: is to call for like a no fly zone and

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: to intervene in a more aggressive way. Yes, seems so casual.

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00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly That's exactly right. And listen, I mean the

1114
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: Vice president's answer was fine there, but I wish they

1115
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: would make it a little more clear and lay out

1116
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: the terms a little bit more starkly of what exactly

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00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: you are suggesting here. Yeah, they should push back, be like, wait,

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00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: so you want a world war? We should use that

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00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: sort of language so people really get what is going

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Speaker 1: on and what that is ultimately all about. The same

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00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: thing wh to Andrea Mitchell was like she would criticize

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01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: Biden's response on Ukraine again for not wanting to do more.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen and he could have done a

1124
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: much better job of explaining why we care, of broadening

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Speaker 1: that conversation about democracy versus autocracies and describing what we

1126
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: faced with Vladimir Putin, describing what the irrationality is of

1127
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: his positions about Ukraine, why we should care about this

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Speaker 1: country so much. So. You had the pageantry, you had

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Speaker 1: the flags, you had the colors, the Ukrainian ambassador, but

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01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: not explaining why we're not on the ground there because

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Speaker 1: we may have to get involved in a counterinsurgency outside

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Speaker 1: the borders. Yeah, why we're not on the ground, Why

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01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: we're not on the ground there. Why we're not on

1134
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: the ground there. This again, this is what they want.

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Speaker 1: They're thirsting for it. These people are crazy in the

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: way that they set this all up. And you found

1137
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: this one, I mean, from Michael McFall This is insanity.

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: Put this up there on the screen, the former US

1139
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: ambassador to Russia. There are no more innocent, neutral Russians anymore.

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01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: Everyone has to make a choice support or oppose this war.

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01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: The only way to end it is if hundreds thousands,

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01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: not thousands protests, Putin can't arrest all of you. He

1143
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: also tweeted just yesterday Crystal. The arguments against moderates who

1144
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: do not want to invade Ukraine or star a war

1145
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: remind him of Mlk's frustrations with white moderates while he

1146
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 1: sat in jail in Birmingham. God, so he is now

1147
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: trying to justify a literal world war with Russia, invoking

1148
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: the name of Martin Luther King Junior, going against the

1149
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: white moderate. That's how much these people's brains have been

1150
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: rotted by this situation. It is a truly appalling, appalling

1151
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: sentiment to say there are no more innocent, neutral Russians anymore.

1152
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: What that justifies is horrific. I mean that justifies genocide.

1153
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: You say, okay, in our history, I mean we put

1154
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: Japanese people in camps. Is that what you're saying, is

1155
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: that what you're saying there are no innocent or neutral Russians.

1156
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: And this was some of the hysteria that I referred

1157
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: to earlier. Now they're banning Paralympic athletes from competing. Like

1158
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: what I'm going to talk about in my monologue, this

1159
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: oncology network to try to benefit cancer patients is pulling

1160
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: out of any Russian affiliation. Like what are people who

1161
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: are struggling with cancer, suffering from cancer have to do

1162
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: with what Putin's decision was here. Imagine if that same

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01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: logic was applied to all of us during the Iraq War. Oh,

1164
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: there's no innocent or neutral Americans during the you know,

1165
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: the crimes we committed in the Iraq War with Guantanamo

1166
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: or any of our other many sins that we have committed.

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01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: This is really horrific and it ends up justifying dehumanization

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01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: and terrible ends. And by the way, you will never

1169
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: get out of a cod this way because ultimately, look

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01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: at his point of you need some of the Russian

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: people on your side putting pressure, internal pressure that makes

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01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: this uncomfortable as well. You think this is a way

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: to get there by smearing and sliming them all. Is

1174
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: basically like complicit in the crimes of Vladimir Putin. Insanity,

1175
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: absolutely insane. Xana Tafiki, is that how you should say it? Name?

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01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: She said, there's so much complicity in Western countries by

1177
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: taking Russia's great corrupt money too, all the banker's luxury,

1178
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: real estate, sellers, yacht makers, business people. There was no

1179
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: secret to where the money has been coming from, and

1180
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: yet we let it flow. That might be a better

1181
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: target in my opinion, which goes to what we were

1182
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: talking about with the oligarchs here. So you know, to

1183
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: make these blanket statements is just leading to a blatantly

1184
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: xenophobic hysteria. People like Eric Swallow while calling for all

1185
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: Russian students to be kicked out in the country, I

1186
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: saw calls to like seize assets of all Russians and

1187
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: take their property and you know, pour out your Russian vodka,

1188
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: destroy any sort of like Russian cultural affiliation. This is

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01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: It's scary how quickly a sizeable chunk of the public

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01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: can be convinced that just blanket bigotry and xenophobia is

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01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: the polite, civilized society thing to do. Yeah. Absolutely, And

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01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: the kude gras of the dumbest response so far comes

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01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: from Sean Hannity. Let's take a listen. You know, if

1194
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: we can see on satellite imagery where the convoy is,

1195
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe some smart country, maybe NATO, might

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01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: take some of their fighter jets, or maybe they can

1197
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: use some drone strikes and take out the whole damn

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01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: convoy and then nobody takes credit for it, so then

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01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: Putin won't know who to hit back. Well, he's threatening

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01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons, Hannity, you talk about nuclear war. I'm not

1201
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: talking about nuclear war, nor would I support one American

1202
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: boot on the ground here. Yeah, that's exactly the idiocy

1203
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about this whole show. Yeah, let's

1204
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: just bomb the convoy and they won't be able to

1205
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: figure it out because they're so dumb. Yeah, the don't

1206
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: have no idea who could be behind it? Who? We

1207
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: just won't talk about it. That is one of the

1208
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: most colossally stupid things that I've ever heard. And yet

1209
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: when you pair that with Trump saying this is a holocaust,

1210
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: that's the type of low IQ garbage now which is

1211
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: being beamed into the ears of boomers all across this country.

1212
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: And they're gonna be like, oh, you know, that's a

1213
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: pretty good point. Well, this is the issue. Look, I mean,

1214
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying those people don't think for themselves. I'm

1215
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: sure many people also thought it was as dumb as

1216
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: I was, as I did. But when you listen and

1217
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: this type of rhetoric heats up, it can lead to

1218
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: serious consequences. Obviously, the Russians would know it was US

1219
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: or any NATO country, and the whole principle of NATO

1220
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: is that they do it, it's we have to also

1221
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: defend them, so it doesn't matter who which country it is.

1222
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: And just because we didn't take do you think of

1223
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: the Russians bombed America and they didn't take credit for it,

1224
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't immediately know who it was, especially drones.

1225
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: They're not that many countries that have that ability in

1226
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: order to do something like that, So I don't know.

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01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this is how touchy things are. We actually

1228
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: wisely canceled just nuclear missile tests. I was very happy

1229
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: with that. We're pre scheduled for this weekend, just to

1230
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: not cause any undo, alarm or potential for misconception about

1231
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: what our intentions were there. That's how touchy this is.

1232
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: So to think you're going to be able to like

1233
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: casually bomb with American drones this convoy and get away

1234
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: with it, and that that's not going to escalate and

1235
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: spark broader tensions and spark reaction from the Russians. This

1236
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: is insane And this is why I keep warning against

1237
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: You know, the large part of the population that says

1238
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: we need to do more, those are the people who

1239
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: are susceptible to this messaging and the media. And we've

1240
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: just shown you examples from NBC, We've shown you examples

1241
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: from CNN, We've shown you examples from the former ambassador

1242
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: to Russia, and from Fox News. They only push it

1243
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: one direction. There is not a single voice on any

1244
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: of these channels that saying we need to take a

1245
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: step back, We need to figure out how we give

1246
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: an off ramp to putin, we need to figure out

1247
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: how we take the tensions down. What does that look like, Hey,

1248
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: maybe these sanctions that are blanketing the Russian public, maybe

1249
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: they're going to turn the public against us and provoke

1250
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: a further escalation instead of doing what we want them

1251
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: to do, which is to bring Russia to the table.

1252
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: You will never never hear those voices, and not only that,

1253
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: a lot of those voices will be completely like treated

1254
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: as treasonus. They'll be you know, they'll have their podcasts

1255
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: pulled down and be kicked down of the public square.

1256
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: So that's why this is so volatile, is because the

1257
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: media only ever pushes you in one direction, and politicians

1258
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: know that they will likely benefit from a positive media

1259
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: environment that bolsters their popularity if they take the most

1260
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: the most aggressive toughest, most hawkish actions. They will benefit

1261
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: from that, and they will pay a massive price across

1262
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: the board from all of these outlets if they do

1263
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: anything to step back down that ladder of escalation. So

1264
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: that's why these media clips are so incredibly important, Crystal,

1265
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: you taking a look at well, guys, we have to

1266
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: do something. We must make them pay. That is the

1267
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: sentiment undergirding our response right now to Putin's war in Ukraine.

1268
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: And I have to tell you I totally get it.

1269
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: Seeing the images of apartment buildings blown up, civilians maime,

1270
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: civilians killed, and ominous forty mile long military convoy looming

1271
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: outside of Kiev. The completely natural human response is cannot

1272
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: allow these horrible deeds to go unpunished. That's to say

1273
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: nothing of the potentially broader threat that Putin's actions here

1274
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Speaker 1: in Ukraine represent. Will he stop at Kiev? Will he

1275
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: leave NATO countries unmolested? Will he be satisfied until his

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Speaker 1: own imperial ambitions are realized? But as I watch our response,

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Speaker 1: I fear we have usually embarked on a course of

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Speaker 1: action that is unlikely to deter further war and instead

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Speaker 1: may rush us towards it. Specifically, in our quest to

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Speaker 1: do something, we have embarked on a program of unprecedented

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Speaker 1: sanctions that will not only hurt Putin and his holigarchs,

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Speaker 1: but will decimate the entire Russian economy. Not only did

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Speaker 1: we kick major banks out of swift, but for the

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Speaker 1: first time in history, we have sanctioned a G twenty

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Speaker 1: central bank. We are directly attempting to force a complete

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Speaker 1: collapse of the ruble. In other words, we have, with

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Speaker 1: very little debate, committed ourselves to all out economic warfare.

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Speaker 1: And if history serves as a guide, that economic warfare

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Speaker 1: will be just as brutal and just as devastating for

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Speaker 1: our opponent as conventional warfare would be. Is just instead

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Speaker 1: of civilians dying from bombs and bullets, it will be

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Speaker 1: famine that sends innocent people to their graves. We must

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Speaker 1: consider carefully the morality of those human costs. But to

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Speaker 1: really analyze what we're doing from a t tactical perspective,

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Speaker 1: we need to first be specific about what our goals are. Here.

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Speaker 1: It may be unpopular to say, but I actually don't

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Speaker 1: really care about punishing the oligarchs or Putin or making

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Speaker 1: sure anyone pays a price. I care about peace, ending

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Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine, and even more importantly, averting a

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Speaker 1: broader war, preventing nuclear annihilation. Those are the stakes, and

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Speaker 1: that is what I care about. And unfortunately, the historical

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Speaker 1: record on broad punishing sanctions makes it pretty clear they

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01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: are more likely to push leaders to war than to

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Speaker 1: bring about peace. First of all, let's have a little

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Speaker 1: bit of context. There's a lot of speculation right now

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01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: that Putin might be ill, either mentally or physically, that

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01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: he might have become paranoid and detached from reality during

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Speaker 1: these long years of COVID quarantine. Any or all of

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01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: that might be true, but you don't actually have to

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Speaker 1: assume a terminally ill or clinically insane Putin to expect

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Speaker 1: that he might lash out in ways that would seem

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Speaker 1: insane if he's pushed. Now, we've talked here about the

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Speaker 1: political science concept of gambling for resurrection. That is a

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Speaker 1: fan way of saying that people backed into a corner

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Speaker 1: will take big risks, including doing seemingly crazy things. Putin

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01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: is down big at the poker table here, so he

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01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,839
Speaker 1: going to cut his losses and walk away. That's unlikely. Instead,

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: he is likely to double down, placing big bets with

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01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: a slim chance of payoff and the desperate hope that

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Speaker 1: he can still come out on top. The more that

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01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: we back him into a corner, the more likely that

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Speaker 1: outcome becomes. And that's not crazy, it's just typically irrational

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Speaker 1: human nature. Add on top of that a massive ego

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Speaker 1: and nationalistic fervor of the type reflected in comments coming

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Speaker 1: out of Russian state media. Consider what we brought you

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Speaker 1: before Pravda publishing this off ed stating that quote the

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Speaker 1: little red buttons may seem the only viable alternative to

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01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: a humiliating defeat. That type of nihilistic doomsday analysis should

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01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: be enough to persuade you that the threat is in

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01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: fact credible, that Putin would actually contemplate total destruction to

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01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: avoid painful humiliation at the hands of the West. In fact,

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Speaker 1: with his wild miscalculations in a wholesale invasion of Ukraine,

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01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: heat has already proven that that is the case. History

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Speaker 1: also provides terrifying cautionary tales about the actual response to

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01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: sanctions versus what we wish cast the response would be.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the last time we sanction a great power

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Speaker 1: was in the build up to World War II. The

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Speaker 1: use of sanctions had been pioneered and codified by the

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01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: League of Nations, which required automatic collective embargoes of any

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Speaker 1: nation starting an aggressive war. The aim of this pact was,

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Speaker 1: of course, noble liberals believe that the very threat of

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01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: financial warfare would be enough to deter hostile actors from aggression.

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01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: Instead those sanctions, that threat of sanctions had the exact

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,959
Speaker 1: opposite impact. According to Henry Ferrell, writing at Lawfair, sanctions

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01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: instead spurred Italy, Germany, and Japan to take aggressive actions

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Speaker 1: in an attempt to make their nations impervious to the

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: threatened financial attacks. We've already discussed a few times how

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: sanctions taken casually with little debate by the US government

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01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: emboldened Japanese hardliners, who viewed US sanctions as an overt

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Speaker 1: and aggressive act of war, pushing the government into what

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01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: was clearly in a rational move, striking our forces at

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01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor and drawing US off the sidelines and into

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Speaker 1: the war. The threatening position of sanctions on Germany may

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Speaker 1: have had even more perverse results, According to Ferrell quote,

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01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: the Nazi leadership saw the threat of foreign sanctions as

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Speaker 1: further justifying its hegemonic ambitions. The more territoried influencer controlled,

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01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: the less vulnerable it would be to the Jews in Bolsheviks,

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01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 1: whom it believed were orchestrating the international campaign against Germany.

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Speaker 1: In other words, far from limiting Germany's actions, Ferrell argues

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01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: that sanctions were a factor pushing Hitler towards additional territorial conquest.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we've already seen some echoes of this behavior

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Speaker 1: from Russia, which has been under some measure of sanctions

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Speaker 1: since twenty fourteen. And take this with a million grades

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Speaker 1: of salt. But reportedly one intelligence analysis indicated that Putin

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: expressed extreme anger over Western sanctions put in place in

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Speaker 1: response to his attack on Ukraine, and quote felt that

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Speaker 1: the sanctions had escalated the situation faster than he expected

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Speaker 1: and beyond what he considered to be appropriate. But we

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Speaker 1: don't have to trust the CIA or CNN for that matter,

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01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: to see that Western leaders issued a joint statement last

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Speaker 1: Saturday announcing swift and Central Bank sanctions, and that the

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Speaker 1: very next day Putin raised the nuclear alert to HIE.

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Speaker 1: We might see sanctions as something less than warfare, a

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Speaker 1: peaceful means of pursuing noble objectives. It is very clear

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Speaker 1: that the Russian government sees them as a direct active war,

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01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: and the more that Putin is attacked and backed into

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Speaker 1: a corner economically, the more likely he is to strike

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01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: out militarily in response. At this point, if you want

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01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: peace and not retribution or some other goal, what we

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01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: should be looking at first and foremost is how to

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Speaker 1: give Putin an offering, how to provide some sort of

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Speaker 1: path that's not just face saving but actually meaningfully addresses

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Speaker 1: the parts of its concerns which are valid in hopes

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Speaker 1: of avoiding a broader conflagration. That might feel terrible. It

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Speaker 1: might feel and in reality be the case that you

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Speaker 1: are rewarding bad behavior, but it is the only viable

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Speaker 1: path to an end of this conflict. This is not

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Speaker 1: an easy thing for a declining superpower such as ourselves

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Speaker 1: to do, because the truth is the sanctions serve an

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Speaker 1: important domestic political purpose as well. They are a signal

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Speaker 1: to our population that we are still the all powerful,

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Speaker 1: unipolar players shaping world events to suit our ends. That's

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01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: another problem with sanctions. Domestically, there is only an on ramp,

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Speaker 1: there is never an exit. The politics of removing sanctions

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01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: once they've been levied are disastrous. We remove some sanctions

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Speaker 1: from Iran, only to have them restated under Trump, remove

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Speaker 1: some sanctions from Cuba, only to also have this put

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Speaker 1: back in place under Trump. In Afghanistan, our electorate is

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01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: pretty much silent as our sanctions trigger a horrific famine

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01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: and complete humanitarian crisis. But you can bet if we

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01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: unfroze the Afghan government's assets, Democrats and Republicans would push

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01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,480
Speaker 1: to the mic to decry our supposed funding of terrorists.

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Speaker 1: Sanctions on Russia, first levied in twenty fourteen, have only escalated,

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01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: layering new sanctions on top of old ones and never

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01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: going in reverse. In fact, current public sentiment is on

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01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: the side of quote doing more, whatever that means. A

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: Quinnipiac poll found that fifty seven percent of Americans believe

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Speaker 1: our current historically devastating sanctions are quote not tough enough.

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: Only three percent say they're too tough, and twenty nine

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Speaker 1: percent say they're about right. In a potentially hopeful sign, however,

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Speaker 1: Americans do remain committed to avoiding military conflict. What we

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Speaker 1: need people to understand is that economic war, it's still war.

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Speaker 1: There may not be tanks in the streets, but make

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: no mistake the actions we've already taken constitute a hostile

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01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: act of aggression. The consequences are deadly, and our attacks

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01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: post an existential threat to the Russian nation. Removal from

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Speaker 1: swift central Bank sections, seizing of assets, not to mention

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01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: cultural humiliations like blocking Russian planes from our airspace, banning

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Speaker 1: Russian media, banning Russian athletes, and even firing a prominent

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Speaker 1: Russian conductor from his posts with the Munich Philharmonic, a

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01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: network dedicated to caring for cancer patients, even proudly announced

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01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: they were pulling out of all Russian collect operations. Seriously,

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01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: what the hell? How does punishing people who might be

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01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: terminally ill serve anything other than a venal desire for revenge.

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Speaker 1: Fransan's foreign minister made the goal of all of this

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Speaker 1: totally clear. We will provoke the collapse of the Russian economy.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we would respond to that type of

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Speaker 1: threat by declaring defeat and slinking to the negotiating table.

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Speaker 1: Not a chance. We would escalate, and we would vow

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01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: to make our enemy pay. Being tough it might feel good,

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01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: it might feel righteous, but starving innocent Russian civilians, some

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01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: of whom have bravely taken in the streets to protest.

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Speaker 1: This war is not justice, nor is it wise. In

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Speaker 1: the end, our economic warfare is a moral but more importantly,

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: it is insanely dangerous. Maybe Pudin is not the only

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01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: crazy one here and sagur there is a public appetite,

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01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: fueled by the media always to be hawkish. And if

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Speaker 1: you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become

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01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. All right, saga,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? If you watched our awesome

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01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: State of the Union life coverage, you'll allught to be

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01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: briefly familiar with my mologue today. I thought it was well,

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Speaker 1: mostly fine, a laundry list of the traditional checkboxes that

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: any generic Democratic president would make. A missed opportunity, in

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01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: my opinion, to use the Ukraine crisis to unify the

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01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: country around a single message, no war abroad, war against fear,

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01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: and scarcity here at home, central to both of those aims,

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01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: with something conspicuously absent from that speech, nuclear power. Biden

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01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: spent a significant portion of the speech allaying the concerns

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01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 1: of Americans over higher gas prices, noting that he, in

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01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: concert with US allies would release sixty million barrels of

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Speaker 1: oil from the various strategic petroleum reserves across the world.

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Speaker 1: I applaud that action, and yet what happened to the

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01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: oil price? It soared after the Biden announcement. Besides that news,

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01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: with some analysts now predicting that we could still hit

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01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: as high as one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel

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01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: despite the announcement, an average gas price across this country

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Speaker 1: of four dollars a gallon or even five dollars a

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01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: gallon is very much a possibility as this crisis continues

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01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: to drag on. Effectively, every cent increase in the price

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: of gas is a tax on working class Americans. It

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01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: is a bomb dropped on the average Americans household finances.

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01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: And if you combine that with higher food costs, which

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Speaker 1: we are all going to have from the massive spike

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Speaker 1: and wheat prices due to this crisis, we see a

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Speaker 1: full fledged financial war on working people right here at home.

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Speaker 1: And this war was an avoidable one born of idiotic

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01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: green ideology which excludes nuclear power and wholesale corruption pushed

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01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: by the fossil fuel industry. Both seemingly have a vested

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01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: interest in keeping America more vulnerable, higher energy prices, and

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Speaker 1: keeping the status quo through their respective idiocies. But while

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Speaker 1: we were arguing amongst ourselves, our adversary was watching and grinning.

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Speaker 1: Russia produces a tremendous amount of oil and natural gas,

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Speaker 1: much more than they could ever need. And yet Putin

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01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: has dramatically expanded nuclear power in his own country over

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01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:02,719
Speaker 1: the last decade. Why because he wanted a reliable source

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01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: of domestic energy and to instead sell all of his

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01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: surplus as much as possible to Europe and the rest

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01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: of the world. All of Russia's natural gas. You never

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01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: have that high on your own supply, as the drug

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01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: dealers say, and he hooked Western Europe on his supply.

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01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: They were hooked because they succumbed to their green faction,

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01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: which demanded the Germany decommission its own nuclear power plants.

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Speaker 1: And that's great and all if you have something to

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Speaker 1: replace it with. But unfortunately for the Germans, that something

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Speaker 1: is called Russian natural gas. And then when a war

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Speaker 1: erupts on the European continent, what happens, well, what happens

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01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: is that the German consumers are screwed and the German

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01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,719
Speaker 1: government had to bend over backwards to accommodate Russia until

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Speaker 1: the invasion actually began. They are now scrambling to expand

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Speaker 1: their energy infrastructure for more imports, and hilariously enough, they

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01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: are now thinking about delaying the decommissioning of those nuclear

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01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: power plants because they are in such dire straits economically.

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Speaker 1: We can never let this happen here. Our reliance on

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01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: global energy markets is a noose around our neck as

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Speaker 1: a country, both economically and from a national security standpoint.

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Speaker 1: And yet, during Biden's speech, when he made many of

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Speaker 1: the same directional points I'm making, he conspicuously left out

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Speaker 1: a source of clean, reliable, cheap power. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to all Americans. I'll be honest with you, as

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01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: I always promised, I would be a Russian dictator. Of

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01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: invading the foreign country has cost around the world, and

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01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm taking robust action to make sure the pain of

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01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: our sanctions is targeted at Russian economy and that we

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01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,839
Speaker 1: use every tool at our disposal to protect American businesses

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01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: and consumers. Tonight, I can announce the United States has

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01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: worked with thirty other countries to release sixty million barrels

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01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: of oil from reserves around the world. America will lead

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01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: that effort. Did they see thirty million barrals of our

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01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: own strategy patrol and reserve and we stand ready to

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01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: do more if necessary. Unite it with our allies. These

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01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 1: steps will help blunt gas prices here at home. But

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01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: I know news about what's happening can seem alarming to

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01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: all Americans. What I want you to know, We're going

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01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: to be okay. We're going to be okay, are we?

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01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,759
Speaker 1: Because he continues to say that we can have solar,

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01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: wind and quote so much more, so much more is

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01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: the whole ballgame, folks. Wind and solar are really not

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01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: that great uses of power, as Biden's own government admits,

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01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: Solar and wind power only produce their maximum power potential

1521
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 1: are respective twenty five percent and thirty five percent of

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01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: the time. Nuclear power, on the other hand, is at

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01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: ninety three percent. Nuclear power produces just four to five

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: percent of the carbon emissions of a natural gas powered

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01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: power plant. It actually releases less radiation into the environment

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01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 1: than any other known energy source than even solar, wind,

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01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: natural gas, and coal. If you can care about the environment,

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01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 1: you need to be pro nuclear and if you care

1529
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: about having an energy source that can run in the

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01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: good times and the bad at high capacity, then you

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01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 1: should also be pro nuclear. In fact, nuclear power is

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01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,440
Speaker 1: the only power source where legacy costs are not externalized,

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01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: in other words, where the production of the energy itself

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01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: produces costs for the community, a lah greenhouse gases and

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01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 1: other negative externalities. As for the so called toxic waste,

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01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: solar power actually creates three hundred times more heavily toxic

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01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: waste per unit of energy than nuclear power plants. So

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01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: why are people anti nuclear? Number one? There are two

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01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: decades worth of investment in wind and solar, and a

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01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: lot of people just don't want to admit that those sources,

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: while finding good in some respects, are not the future

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01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 1: in any measurable way alone. Number two, people and specifically boomers,

1543
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 1: are still very scared of three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima.

1544
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: Yet if you even assume a Chernobyl level event the

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01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: worst possible accident, and a nuclear power plant is still

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01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: less destructive than many of the major industrial events in

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01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: the last city. A chemical leak, for example, in Bopal, India,

1548
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 1: killed tens of thousands of people. We did not stop

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01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: using industrial chemicals, we tighten safety standards. Twenty six thousand people,

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01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: for example, died in China when a dam broke. We

1551
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: don't stop using dams. As for nuclear waste, we've actually

1552
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: already solved the problem. The current US waste isolation plan

1553
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: in Carlsbad, New Mexico could accommodate the entire world's nuclear

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01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: waste for the next one thousand years. Yes, you heard

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01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: me correctly. The day that Russian invaded Ukraine, we called

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01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: on this show for a nuclear new deal. Now stand

1557
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: by it even stronger. Right now, in the short term

1558
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: we need to bring price pressure down, drill frack, and

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01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: alleviate concerns at the pump for people's bills. But in

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01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: the long run, we have a moral and strategic imperative

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01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: to secure our country with the most efficient, clean and

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01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: sustainable energy source that is around. If you believe maximalist

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01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: rhetoric about climate change, I've got an answer for you.

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01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 1: And if you believe that America need to be stronger

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01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: and more resilient, here's your answer too. It is time

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01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: to build some nuclear power plants for the future of America,

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01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: the future of the West, and the future of the planet.

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Speaker 1: It's just amazing to me, Crystal that they left nuclear

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01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: out and it's because of a very strong and if

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01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become

1571
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining us

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Speaker 1: now to give us an update on the situation with

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia from his perspective is Congressman Rokanna of California. Great, Caesar,

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01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: here's azer great to be back on. I also want

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01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: to say, we're going to get to this in a minute,

1576
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: but you've also just penned a new book. Let's go

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01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: ahead and put the book jacket up on screen. There

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01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: dignity in a digital age making tech work for all

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01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: of us. So excited to talk about that as well.

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Speaker 1: But Connors Kanna, if you could just lay out for us,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the most important US interest in

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01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: the Russia invasion of Ukraine are right now? And how

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01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: do you think that President Biden has done thus far?

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Speaker 1: The most important interest is to save human lives, stand

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01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: up for human rights, and to avoid a world war. Obviously,

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01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:17,799
Speaker 1: Putin's aggression is totally unconscionable. He is hitting civilian targets

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Speaker 1: inarguable of war crimes, and we need to stand with

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01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian people, but we also don't want a no

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01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: fly zone, which is basically a shooting war with Russia.

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01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: And we have to figure out how we put pressure

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01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: on Putin ultimately, but continue the talks which President Zlynsky

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01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: has called for, so that there can be some ceasefire

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01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: and so that there aren't this catastrophic loss of human life.

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Speaker 1: We have to continue to try for that. I think

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Speaker 1: President Biden has actually been fairly restrained and not responding

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01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: to Putin, ted for tad, not rushing to these things

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01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: like the FLI zone. So so far, I think he's

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01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: handled that well. So Congressman, what role are you and

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Speaker 1: in Congress going to have to play in this conflict.

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Speaker 1: Some of the things that we've seen in previous American conflicts,

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01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,480
Speaker 1: which you've been in the forefront of, is an abdication

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01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: of responsibility by the legislative branch. Can you at least

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01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: pledge here as long as many of your colleagues do

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01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: that you will be taking an active role in order

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01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: to make sure that the legislative branch's voice is heard

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01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: if there is an escalation. Yes, absolutely, I support the

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01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 1: administration and increasing weapons to Ukrainian people so they have

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01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: a fighting chance to stand up for their freedom in

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01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: the face of this assault. I support also increase in

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01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: humanit here in ad but absolutely everything ought to be

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01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: properly authorized through Congress. And if there were ever an

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01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: escalation on something like a no fly zone, that would

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01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: require confessional approval, and I don't support them. What does

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01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: it look like? How do we have any hope of

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01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: bringing this conflict to an end? Because I can see

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01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: the ladder of escalation very clearly in what that looks like.

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01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 1: It's it's hard for me to see what the off

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01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: ramp potentially looks like. So just lay out for us

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01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: how you're thinking about that. Well, first, I think this

1620
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 1: war has been far more costly to putin than he expected.

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01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the Ukrainians have put up a bigger resistance.

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01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: They're fighting with great spirit. It's been much harder for

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01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: him to take TeV. The convoy out there has been stuck.

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01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: He's losing soldiers, have been more protests in Russia. So

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01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: the hope is that the crushing sanctions, combined with the

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01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: unity of NATO and the United States, will force Putin

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01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: to the bargaining table. The question is wet, and the

1628
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: question is how many lives will be lost before then.

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01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: But ultimately we need a ceasefire and we need a settlement.

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01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: But Putin has to fear enough of consequence for him

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01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: to do that. Now it would be more helpful of

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01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: China and India also turned away from Russia. It doesn't

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01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: help that they are not condemning Russia. Thomerson. So we've

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01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: seen the sort of stick from the Biden administration with

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01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: sanctions that are punishing, you know, not just to Putin

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01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: in the oligarchs of but to the broader Russian population.

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01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: What does a potential carrot look like though, because I

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01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,719
Speaker 1: don't think there's any sort of negotiated settlement without giving

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01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: him something. Well, he has to first be willing to

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01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: stop the violence to have a seasfire. And then Zolenski,

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01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: as I understand it, has been willing to negotiate and

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01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: willing to come to some compromise, and I think we

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01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: can follow Zelenski's lead. But the reality here is this

1644
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 1: is not about previous policy, it's not about NATO policy.

1645
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Putin has a paper that is worth reading.

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01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: He believes is part of Greater Russia, and he's attacking

1647
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: to make it part of Russia. And what we really

1648
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: need to do is clearly say it's unjustified. Clearly say

1649
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: that he needs to stop, and that there needs to

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01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 1: be a seasfire, and then I would follow a. Zelenski's

1651
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: lead in the negotiation. Yeah, Congressman, you're also here to

1652
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: talk about this book. I know it's a bit of

1653
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 1: a hard pivot here, but let's put it up there

1654
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 1: on the screen again just so people can understand what

1655
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: it is. Why did you decide to write this book

1656
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: at this time about dignity and the digital age and technology.

1657
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: I know you're the congressman from Silicon Valley itself, so

1658
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 1: you've been thinking a little bit about this. I have.

1659
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 1: I actually worked on some of these issues with Bristol.

1660
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: She may not remember well before she was famous on

1661
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: Breaking Point. The idea is that, you know, we have

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01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: eleven trillion dollars of economic activity in my district, but

1663
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: so much of rural America, black and brown communities, they

1664
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: aren't participating in modern wealth generation. They're going to be

1665
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: twenty five million digital jobs. Nine of the ten richest

1666
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: companies or tech companies, A lot of the billionaires are

1667
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: tech billionaires. We've got to get digital economic opportnity into

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01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: rural America, into the heartland. I like Intel going to

1669
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: Ohio and many of these jobs are manufacturing construction does

1670
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: and most of them don't require a college degree. And

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01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: so it's about decentralizing economic opportunity in this country and

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01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: not concentrating it in the coast. So this isn't a

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01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 1: kind of like hashtag learned to Code kind of a message.

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01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 1: So what could we do to help decentralize that? The economics,

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01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, of the fastest growing sectors in the country,

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01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: And do you think that you know, there's a lot

1677
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 1: of talk about the pandemic and the way it's reshaping

1678
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: work life and the number of people who are sort

1679
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 1: of moving on in the big cities. Do you think

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01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: that that helps to sort of further your agenda here? Absolutely?

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01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: First of all, it's absolutely not learned to Code. The

1682
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: book starts with the story of Alex whos is making

1683
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:46,839
Speaker 1: refrigerators and dishwashers and has some technology that he's grasped

1684
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 1: to make them smart, but the reality is actually silicon Elli.

1685
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: They talk about no code, low code, which means that

1686
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: these new technology jobs don't require much coding, it's just

1687
01:31:56,160 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 1: understanding basic technology to doom facturing, retail and these kind

1688
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: of occupations. And the COVID realignment gives a lot of

1689
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: opportunity because people realize, you know what, you don't have

1690
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 1: to move to Silicon Valley or Palo Alto. People can

1691
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: stay in Pennsylvania or West Virginia or Kentucky or Ohio

1692
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: and be close to their families and they can still

1693
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 1: work and they can be productive. And I think that

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01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: would be very good for the country. Well, see that's

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Speaker 1: an interesting part though, I mean, isn't kind of bad

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Speaker 1: for your district? Though I have a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are living I mean, what is it ten percent

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01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: or something of the city ended up leaving during COVID.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much has come back. My own

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01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 1: sister left San Francisco as a result of the pandemic

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Speaker 1: and wanted to get out and pay cheaper rent. Somehow

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Speaker 1: she ended up moving to New York. But like, as

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Speaker 1: personally as a defense, like, in terms of representing your district,

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01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: isn't that not necessarily the best thing? Actually not? So

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Speaker 1: Here's why I can represent it, because you know there

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01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: are I represent San Jose, Silicon Valley, or you get

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01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 1: a little south in San Francisco. We have ten jobs

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Speaker 1: for every housing The national average is one point five

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Speaker 1: jobs for every housing unit. So our big challenge is

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Speaker 1: that our housing prices are through the roof and homelessness

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Speaker 1: in part. And most people say, yeah, we can't sustain

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Speaker 1: ten jobs for a housing did it. We need some

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Speaker 1: of these jobs to decentralized. So what I'm advocating is

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Speaker 1: actually what a lot of people in my district want,

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Speaker 1: a better equilibrity. Well, Congressman, recommend everybody check out the book.

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Speaker 1: As Hager said, I know you've been thinking about these

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Speaker 1: things for a long time, because we've had conversations about

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Speaker 1: it for quite a number of years. We always appreciate

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01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:32,919
Speaker 1: you taking the time to engage with us here. Thank you, Congresson.

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01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Thank you sir. Always love being on. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me pleasure. All right, guys, we really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: Conna about. And we are so grateful the way that

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Speaker 1: you guys have shown up for us. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: We'll see back here next