1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:15,017 --> 00:00:18,017 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,057 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,217 --> 00:00:23,497 Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Buck Brief con Carol joins 5 00:00:23,577 --> 00:00:26,257 Speaker 2: us now. He is commentary editor at The Washington Examiner 6 00:00:26,617 --> 00:00:29,777 Speaker 2: and has a new book out very timely, Sex and 7 00:00:29,817 --> 00:00:34,217 Speaker 2: the Citizen, which is how the assault on marriage is 8 00:00:34,257 --> 00:00:35,937 Speaker 2: destroying democracy. Hmm. 9 00:00:36,257 --> 00:00:36,777 Speaker 3: Interesting. 10 00:00:37,257 --> 00:00:40,377 Speaker 2: Sounds a little different than Carrie Bradshaw going shopping for 11 00:00:40,537 --> 00:00:44,217 Speaker 2: fancy shoes and doing all kinds of stuff I wouldn't 12 00:00:44,217 --> 00:00:46,177 Speaker 2: recommend somebody to do as a young woman in New York. 13 00:00:46,217 --> 00:00:49,057 Speaker 2: But anyway, let's dive into some of this because you know, 14 00:00:49,137 --> 00:00:52,017 Speaker 2: right now, one of the big things con the Democrats 15 00:00:52,137 --> 00:00:55,497 Speaker 2: are grappling with, to the degree they honestly grapple with 16 00:00:55,497 --> 00:01:00,497 Speaker 2: anything after election, is why do men who are comfortable 17 00:01:00,577 --> 00:01:06,057 Speaker 2: in their manliness and their masculinity run screaming? I guess, 18 00:01:06,057 --> 00:01:10,257 Speaker 2: not screaming, but run fast from the Democrat part. 19 00:01:11,457 --> 00:01:13,337 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I think a lot of part 20 00:01:13,377 --> 00:01:14,777 Speaker 1: of it has to do with the fact that they 21 00:01:14,857 --> 00:01:17,377 Speaker 1: parked a planned parenthood dissecting a band outside their convention. 22 00:01:18,417 --> 00:01:20,857 Speaker 1: This is a party that does not brand itself to 23 00:01:21,817 --> 00:01:24,697 Speaker 1: men in pretty much any way. You know, if you 24 00:01:24,737 --> 00:01:26,337 Speaker 1: look at any of their if you look at their website, 25 00:01:26,337 --> 00:01:28,217 Speaker 1: if you look at any of their materials, they have 26 00:01:28,297 --> 00:01:31,097 Speaker 1: sections for every interest group on the planet, but men. 27 00:01:31,737 --> 00:01:37,937 Speaker 1: So for them, there's every group, whether it's women, trans people, minorities, 28 00:01:38,177 --> 00:01:41,297 Speaker 1: they are all a special oppressed class, and then men 29 00:01:41,377 --> 00:01:44,057 Speaker 1: are just the oppressors. And until they kind of get 30 00:01:44,057 --> 00:01:47,377 Speaker 1: over that mindset, they're just going to keep repelling men. 31 00:01:48,497 --> 00:01:50,217 Speaker 1: And you know, when you when you look at this 32 00:01:50,297 --> 00:01:53,377 Speaker 1: election most recently, but not even most recently, this is 33 00:01:53,377 --> 00:01:56,417 Speaker 1: also true in twenty twenty as well. If you divide 34 00:01:56,417 --> 00:01:59,657 Speaker 1: the population into you know, four groups, you have you know, 35 00:01:59,817 --> 00:02:03,977 Speaker 1: unmarried men, you have unmarried women, you have married men, 36 00:02:04,017 --> 00:02:06,017 Speaker 1: and you have married women. So that's four groups there. 37 00:02:06,337 --> 00:02:09,657 Speaker 1: Republicans get three of those four groups. The married men 38 00:02:09,737 --> 00:02:15,377 Speaker 1: vote for Republicans overwhelmingly, married women slightly favored Republicans, unmarried 39 00:02:15,377 --> 00:02:17,857 Speaker 1: men slightly favored Republicans. But then the only group that 40 00:02:17,897 --> 00:02:21,697 Speaker 1: doesn't is unmarried women. They overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party. 41 00:02:22,337 --> 00:02:26,457 Speaker 2: So how is the assault on marriage destroying democracy? That's 42 00:02:26,777 --> 00:02:28,697 Speaker 2: a bold claim. It's the kind of claim you put 43 00:02:28,697 --> 00:02:30,897 Speaker 2: on the cover of a new book like Sex and 44 00:02:30,937 --> 00:02:31,417 Speaker 2: the Citizen. 45 00:02:32,297 --> 00:02:34,177 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would just ask people to think of 46 00:02:34,257 --> 00:02:37,817 Speaker 1: any major problem in society today, and I guarantee you 47 00:02:37,977 --> 00:02:39,577 Speaker 1: the decline of marriage is at the root of it. 48 00:02:39,697 --> 00:02:42,697 Speaker 1: If you look at like income and equality, that is 49 00:02:42,777 --> 00:02:45,537 Speaker 1: driven by the decline of marriage. If you look at crime, 50 00:02:46,057 --> 00:02:49,497 Speaker 1: neighborhoods without married families have more crime. If you look 51 00:02:49,537 --> 00:02:53,377 Speaker 1: at the loneliness epidemic, the lowliness is completely caused by marriage. 52 00:02:53,377 --> 00:02:56,897 Speaker 1: If you look at polarization, as this Roman book, polarization 53 00:02:57,017 --> 00:03:00,217 Speaker 1: is also driven by marriage. The more unmarried women you have, 54 00:03:00,497 --> 00:03:02,897 Speaker 1: the more further left they go politically. The more further 55 00:03:02,977 --> 00:03:05,857 Speaker 1: left they drive the democredit party and you have more polarization. 56 00:03:06,417 --> 00:03:08,697 Speaker 1: You know, you have the famous meme going around of 57 00:03:08,777 --> 00:03:11,577 Speaker 1: you know, a person who felt there was selves, you know, 58 00:03:11,897 --> 00:03:14,457 Speaker 1: a little to the left, but then the Democratic parties 59 00:03:14,457 --> 00:03:16,297 Speaker 1: teach going left and left and left to the center. 60 00:03:16,737 --> 00:03:18,897 Speaker 1: That's how a lot of unmarried menfield these days. But 61 00:03:19,017 --> 00:03:21,377 Speaker 1: what is pushing the Democratic Party so far to the 62 00:03:21,457 --> 00:03:23,377 Speaker 1: left is unmarried women. 63 00:03:24,897 --> 00:03:28,337 Speaker 2: Why does the Democrat Party have a hostility to the 64 00:03:28,377 --> 00:03:31,177 Speaker 2: institution of marriage? Where does that come from? 65 00:03:31,657 --> 00:03:34,657 Speaker 1: So I would say it's at best an indifference that then, 66 00:03:34,737 --> 00:03:38,777 Speaker 1: because of their other priorities, undermines marriage. And I think 67 00:03:38,777 --> 00:03:41,097 Speaker 1: when you go and you look at one of the 68 00:03:41,137 --> 00:03:43,017 Speaker 1: similar moments in the book that I talk about is 69 00:03:43,017 --> 00:03:46,217 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty eight decision of King versus Smith. And 70 00:03:46,257 --> 00:03:48,897 Speaker 1: so here you have the Supreme Court in nineteen sixty 71 00:03:48,937 --> 00:03:51,057 Speaker 1: eight getting rid of state man in the House rules. 72 00:03:51,377 --> 00:03:54,697 Speaker 1: And so what this meant was that before at before 73 00:03:54,697 --> 00:03:58,097 Speaker 1: this time, you would have states administering the welfare program AFTC, 74 00:03:58,577 --> 00:04:01,217 Speaker 1: and they would say, look, you know, you can be 75 00:04:01,257 --> 00:04:03,897 Speaker 1: eligible for this program, but if you have an unmarried 76 00:04:03,977 --> 00:04:05,937 Speaker 1: man that's living with you, then you were no longer 77 00:04:05,937 --> 00:04:09,017 Speaker 1: elgible for the program. What that did is it protected 78 00:04:09,137 --> 00:04:12,697 Speaker 1: married families because it discriminate against them. Because once you 79 00:04:12,857 --> 00:04:16,737 Speaker 1: have a program eligibility that says if you were married, 80 00:04:16,777 --> 00:04:20,417 Speaker 1: you're not qualified, but if you are unmarried you are qualified. 81 00:04:20,457 --> 00:04:23,977 Speaker 1: Then that effectively discriminates against married families. So once the 82 00:04:23,977 --> 00:04:26,817 Speaker 1: Supreme Court got rid of those rules, those man of 83 00:04:26,817 --> 00:04:29,777 Speaker 1: the House rules, you have marriage penalties shown up in 84 00:04:29,777 --> 00:04:32,697 Speaker 1: the welfare state. The problem being is that at the 85 00:04:32,737 --> 00:04:34,857 Speaker 1: time the welfare state was very small. It's basically just 86 00:04:34,897 --> 00:04:37,097 Speaker 1: a FDC. But then you have just a slew of 87 00:04:37,097 --> 00:04:40,857 Speaker 1: new programs Medicaid, food stamps, Section eight housing, pretty much 88 00:04:40,897 --> 00:04:43,297 Speaker 1: all the great society to the point today you have 89 00:04:43,377 --> 00:04:46,217 Speaker 1: about a trillion dollars worth of spending going through the 90 00:04:46,257 --> 00:04:50,097 Speaker 1: state and federal governments that all punished marriage through marriage 91 00:04:50,137 --> 00:04:53,257 Speaker 1: penalties in these programs. Now, the Democrats, to define, you know, 92 00:04:53,577 --> 00:04:58,137 Speaker 1: set up these policies to punish marriage. No, but because they, 93 00:04:58,257 --> 00:05:01,817 Speaker 1: you know, wanted to not discriminate between kids that are 94 00:05:02,137 --> 00:05:04,457 Speaker 1: in unmarried family kids are in a married family, they 95 00:05:04,537 --> 00:05:07,697 Speaker 1: essentially created these marriage penalties. And so the confluence of 96 00:05:07,737 --> 00:05:10,697 Speaker 1: those two priorities essentially ended up punishing marriage. 97 00:05:11,337 --> 00:05:15,097 Speaker 2: Let's come back and talk about how this issue can 98 00:05:15,137 --> 00:05:17,577 Speaker 2: be addressed in a positive way. Right, we've got a 99 00:05:17,577 --> 00:05:20,297 Speaker 2: Trump administration coming in. What can be done to help 100 00:05:20,337 --> 00:05:29,377 Speaker 2: rebuild marriage as an institution that is completely embraced by 101 00:05:29,417 --> 00:05:32,857 Speaker 2: all elements and so embraced by elements of society and 102 00:05:32,937 --> 00:05:36,097 Speaker 2: also supported appropriately by the state. 103 00:05:36,657 --> 00:05:37,857 Speaker 3: By by the government. 104 00:05:38,057 --> 00:05:39,257 Speaker 1: A lot of people hear about. 105 00:05:39,177 --> 00:05:40,737 Speaker 3: Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, no, we have to 106 00:05:40,777 --> 00:05:41,537 Speaker 3: we have to pay bills. 107 00:05:41,537 --> 00:05:45,177 Speaker 2: Hold on a second, our sponsor, our sponsor, legacy, our 108 00:05:45,177 --> 00:05:50,137 Speaker 2: sponsor right here. Market market veterans know that Yeah, Trump's 109 00:05:50,137 --> 00:05:53,417 Speaker 2: coming in and things are looking pretty good. 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And well, 126 00:06:49,537 --> 00:06:52,017 Speaker 1: for penalties we're just talking about those are programs that 127 00:06:52,057 --> 00:06:54,857 Speaker 1: are controlled by federal state governments. You could easily write 128 00:06:54,897 --> 00:06:57,577 Speaker 1: to eligibility rules so that married couples were just as 129 00:06:57,657 --> 00:07:00,977 Speaker 1: edible as unmarried couples. That'd be a first step, but 130 00:07:00,977 --> 00:07:03,417 Speaker 1: there are other steps you can do that are equally important. 131 00:07:04,217 --> 00:07:06,177 Speaker 1: One big reason why you have the decline of marriage, 132 00:07:06,257 --> 00:07:09,297 Speaker 1: especially you know since the seventies, is decline in mail 133 00:07:09,337 --> 00:07:13,097 Speaker 1: wages actually relative to women's wages. So if you look 134 00:07:13,177 --> 00:07:16,737 Speaker 1: at overall wages for everyone, wages have gone up, okay, 135 00:07:17,737 --> 00:07:20,497 Speaker 1: but the gains in those marriages, the gains in those 136 00:07:20,537 --> 00:07:23,697 Speaker 1: wages have been concentrated on college educated men and women. Overall, 137 00:07:25,897 --> 00:07:28,337 Speaker 1: men without a college degree, their wages have actually fallen. 138 00:07:28,697 --> 00:07:31,577 Speaker 1: So when you look at the policy areas that the 139 00:07:31,577 --> 00:07:34,777 Speaker 1: federal government does that undercuts those wages. One big one 140 00:07:34,817 --> 00:07:38,617 Speaker 1: is illegal immigration. The more low skilled immigration you have, 141 00:07:38,737 --> 00:07:42,177 Speaker 1: most illegal immigrants are low skilled. That drives down wages 142 00:07:42,217 --> 00:07:44,657 Speaker 1: for low skilled men. So you already have Trump coming 143 00:07:44,697 --> 00:07:46,217 Speaker 1: in and he's going to do a lot to address that. 144 00:07:46,777 --> 00:07:50,337 Speaker 1: You also have trade, trade with countries like China. This 145 00:07:50,417 --> 00:07:52,217 Speaker 1: is you know, there are many studies have shown that 146 00:07:52,217 --> 00:07:56,417 Speaker 1: his decimated good pain manufacturing jobs throughout the country. So 147 00:07:56,457 --> 00:07:58,297 Speaker 1: we need to rebounce trade so that we can have 148 00:07:58,577 --> 00:08:01,977 Speaker 1: more things built here in the United States. But then 149 00:08:02,057 --> 00:08:05,057 Speaker 1: you also have. We need to become a country that 150 00:08:05,217 --> 00:08:08,057 Speaker 1: builds things again. Right. You know, it took just a 151 00:08:08,097 --> 00:08:10,297 Speaker 1: year or two for New York City to build the 152 00:08:10,337 --> 00:08:12,457 Speaker 1: Empire State building. You know, now they can't build or 153 00:08:12,537 --> 00:08:14,617 Speaker 1: you know, California is trying to build a bullet train 154 00:08:15,377 --> 00:08:17,897 Speaker 1: and it's you know, taking ten years and thirty billion dollars. 155 00:08:18,377 --> 00:08:20,577 Speaker 1: We just can't build things like we used to. And 156 00:08:20,697 --> 00:08:24,137 Speaker 1: the culprit there is a series of environmental laws, the 157 00:08:24,137 --> 00:08:26,897 Speaker 1: biggest among them meet by the National Environmental Policy Act, 158 00:08:27,217 --> 00:08:29,457 Speaker 1: and we can change those, we can repeal those laws. 159 00:08:29,577 --> 00:08:34,097 Speaker 1: We can you know, stop empowering environmental activists to being 160 00:08:34,097 --> 00:08:37,417 Speaker 1: able to stop all infrastructure projects and allow you know, 161 00:08:37,537 --> 00:08:42,417 Speaker 1: big corporations, big developers like Donald Trump, like Elon Musk 162 00:08:42,617 --> 00:08:44,737 Speaker 1: to build things again. And of course once you're building 163 00:08:44,737 --> 00:08:47,817 Speaker 1: things again, that raises wages, mostly construction wages for men, 164 00:08:47,857 --> 00:08:51,457 Speaker 1: and that means more men with higher wages, more marriageable men, 165 00:08:51,537 --> 00:08:54,497 Speaker 1: you get more marriages. But really it's something where you 166 00:08:54,537 --> 00:08:57,337 Speaker 1: need to have this mindset for every area of policy. 167 00:08:58,137 --> 00:08:59,697 Speaker 1: You know, instead of acting what's the best way for 168 00:08:59,737 --> 00:09:02,137 Speaker 1: economic growth through the tax code, or what does the 169 00:09:02,137 --> 00:09:05,057 Speaker 1: best economic through with through immigration? The question for every 170 00:09:05,097 --> 00:09:08,177 Speaker 1: area policy needs. How does this affect marriage, because if 171 00:09:08,177 --> 00:09:13,497 Speaker 1: we don't have people getting married having kids, our society 172 00:09:13,537 --> 00:09:15,497 Speaker 1: is this gun collaps We're going to turn into to 173 00:09:15,657 --> 00:09:18,777 Speaker 1: Korea where half our population is going to disappear within 174 00:09:18,817 --> 00:09:21,657 Speaker 1: a debt with the generation, and we can't allow that. 175 00:09:23,297 --> 00:09:25,857 Speaker 2: Let's talk Trump nominees here. In a second, we'll get 176 00:09:25,897 --> 00:09:27,697 Speaker 2: to how you think this. We're going to move it 177 00:09:27,737 --> 00:09:29,977 Speaker 2: to the politics of the moment here and dive in 178 00:09:30,017 --> 00:09:35,857 Speaker 2: with con Carol Washington Examiner commentary editor. 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That's Done with Debt dot Com. 204 00:10:40,337 --> 00:10:40,617 Speaker 3: All right? 205 00:10:40,657 --> 00:10:43,977 Speaker 2: What do you think about the new team that's coming 206 00:10:44,017 --> 00:10:49,537 Speaker 2: in and specifically swamp taming, swamp tackling, swamp draining, whatever 207 00:10:49,577 --> 00:10:52,897 Speaker 2: you want to call it. Are you optimistic? How do 208 00:10:52,937 --> 00:10:53,817 Speaker 2: you think that will work? 209 00:10:53,897 --> 00:10:53,977 Speaker 3: Like? 210 00:10:54,017 --> 00:10:56,057 Speaker 2: How do you how do you see things here? A 211 00:10:56,097 --> 00:10:58,497 Speaker 2: couple of months before it gets put into action. 212 00:10:59,817 --> 00:11:02,857 Speaker 1: I'm cautiously optimistic. You know, I'll be honest with you. 213 00:11:02,897 --> 00:11:06,497 Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of Gates. I think he's 214 00:11:06,497 --> 00:11:09,937 Speaker 1: a little chaotic. I'm not a huge fan of our 215 00:11:10,137 --> 00:11:12,817 Speaker 1: of k But I think on the other hand, there 216 00:11:12,817 --> 00:11:15,057 Speaker 1: are some highlights. You know, look you've got. I think 217 00:11:15,057 --> 00:11:18,377 Speaker 1: Burgham is an excellent choice for Secretary of Interior. I 218 00:11:18,417 --> 00:11:21,057 Speaker 1: think Right's an excellent choice for Energy secretary. I think 219 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:23,657 Speaker 1: Lee's Elden is great at e p A. Uh. You 220 00:11:23,657 --> 00:11:25,457 Speaker 1: know in your last ad you were coming in talking 221 00:11:25,497 --> 00:11:28,097 Speaker 1: about gas prices and inflation. You want to get you know, 222 00:11:28,297 --> 00:11:31,577 Speaker 1: energy costs down. That is a great trio right there, 223 00:11:31,697 --> 00:11:34,097 Speaker 1: because you need you need burghm to open lands for 224 00:11:34,097 --> 00:11:37,937 Speaker 1: for development. You need Burgram to open lands for rare 225 00:11:37,977 --> 00:11:40,377 Speaker 1: earth animal and rare earth minerals so we can build 226 00:11:40,417 --> 00:11:43,857 Speaker 1: batteries and everything else in this country. Again, over at energy, 227 00:11:44,137 --> 00:11:48,057 Speaker 1: you need uh, you know, Right to preside over a 228 00:11:48,137 --> 00:11:52,577 Speaker 1: renaissance of nuclear energy so we can actually start recycling 229 00:11:52,617 --> 00:11:55,097 Speaker 1: nuclear fuel. And you have all these tech companies that 230 00:11:55,097 --> 00:11:57,577 Speaker 1: are that are dying to you know, start building a 231 00:11:57,697 --> 00:12:00,457 Speaker 1: nuclear actors against licking power. AI Right's the guy to 232 00:12:00,497 --> 00:12:02,177 Speaker 1: do that. And then you have Lee's Eldon and E 233 00:12:02,257 --> 00:12:04,697 Speaker 1: p A, who you know should be able to undo 234 00:12:04,937 --> 00:12:10,017 Speaker 1: Biden's electrical vehicle mandate, undo Biden's uh power plant rule, 235 00:12:10,137 --> 00:12:12,337 Speaker 1: which makes energy more expensive for all of us and 236 00:12:12,337 --> 00:12:15,737 Speaker 1: it makes the grid more unreliable. Uh. These three guys, 237 00:12:15,977 --> 00:12:19,297 Speaker 1: they're competent. They should be approved before by before Trump 238 00:12:19,377 --> 00:12:22,257 Speaker 1: gets sworn in and the hit the ground running, and 239 00:12:22,577 --> 00:12:25,177 Speaker 1: you know, prices will come down for gasp, which means 240 00:12:25,417 --> 00:12:26,737 Speaker 1: come down for everything else as well. 241 00:12:27,697 --> 00:12:31,937 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that there's It's funny. The economic 242 00:12:32,137 --> 00:12:35,977 Speaker 2: side of this, I think is almost taken as a 243 00:12:36,017 --> 00:12:39,857 Speaker 2: given right, meaning that expectations are high for the Trump 244 00:12:39,897 --> 00:12:43,177 Speaker 2: team to do good things on energy, good things on taxes, 245 00:12:43,217 --> 00:12:44,217 Speaker 2: good things on regulation. 246 00:12:44,377 --> 00:12:44,537 Speaker 3: Right. 247 00:12:44,577 --> 00:12:48,417 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm maybe I shouldn't, but I'm I am 248 00:12:49,017 --> 00:12:52,137 Speaker 2: very optimistic about that, almost to the point of it's 249 00:12:52,177 --> 00:12:54,497 Speaker 2: an expectation, And maybe that's a little bit unfair to 250 00:12:54,537 --> 00:12:57,097 Speaker 2: the incoming team because that's all really big stuff. The 251 00:12:57,097 --> 00:13:01,177 Speaker 2: places where I see this becomes I don't know if 252 00:13:01,217 --> 00:13:04,897 Speaker 2: it's it could be the administration's waterloo or imagine no 253 00:13:05,097 --> 00:13:08,257 Speaker 2: line or you know, whatever historical analogy you want to use. 254 00:13:09,337 --> 00:13:15,217 Speaker 2: Is on the deportations, uh, and on the DOGE, Department 255 00:13:15,217 --> 00:13:17,937 Speaker 2: of Government Efficiency. Let's start with DOGE and I'll talk 256 00:13:18,017 --> 00:13:19,497 Speaker 2: deportations with you in a second. 257 00:13:19,977 --> 00:13:22,057 Speaker 3: I mean, do you think that are. 258 00:13:21,897 --> 00:13:23,257 Speaker 2: They really going to try to get rid of the 259 00:13:23,257 --> 00:13:26,697 Speaker 2: Department of Education wholesale? Are they are they going to 260 00:13:27,457 --> 00:13:30,017 Speaker 2: one take action on and to be able to complete 261 00:13:30,017 --> 00:13:35,097 Speaker 2: the action of dramatically cutting the federal bureaucracy itself? 262 00:13:35,137 --> 00:13:37,297 Speaker 3: What do you think I mean the short interest? 263 00:13:37,377 --> 00:13:40,257 Speaker 1: No, I mean, look, you know, we already have a 264 00:13:40,337 --> 00:13:43,257 Speaker 1: GAO Government Accountability Office that you know, kind of oversees 265 00:13:43,257 --> 00:13:45,457 Speaker 1: and looks for waste within the federal government. That is 266 00:13:45,497 --> 00:13:48,097 Speaker 1: an entity that has existed for a while, has a 267 00:13:48,177 --> 00:13:53,337 Speaker 1: large staff, has you know, congressional power, authority and funding. 268 00:13:54,497 --> 00:13:57,937 Speaker 1: DOGE will have none of those things. I think at best, 269 00:13:58,017 --> 00:14:00,937 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, Musk and 270 00:14:01,257 --> 00:14:04,337 Speaker 1: Ramaswami can can issue a report and send it to 271 00:14:04,377 --> 00:14:07,257 Speaker 1: Congress and say, hey, when you pass next year's appropriations bills, 272 00:14:07,497 --> 00:14:10,737 Speaker 1: could you include this include these recommendations in it. But 273 00:14:11,097 --> 00:14:15,257 Speaker 1: other than that, I'm just not seeing what legal authority 274 00:14:15,297 --> 00:14:16,857 Speaker 1: they have to do anything. Well? 275 00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:17,857 Speaker 3: Can the president? 276 00:14:18,097 --> 00:14:20,777 Speaker 2: You know, it's I've never It's funny, I guess I 277 00:14:20,897 --> 00:14:22,857 Speaker 2: kind of work in politics and government for a living. 278 00:14:22,897 --> 00:14:24,817 Speaker 2: I think that's fair to say. And I don't even 279 00:14:24,817 --> 00:14:27,217 Speaker 2: know the answer. I think so, I don't even know 280 00:14:27,257 --> 00:14:29,497 Speaker 2: the answer to this myself. I remember when I was 281 00:14:29,537 --> 00:14:32,457 Speaker 2: in the CIA, I was told that I think the 282 00:14:32,577 --> 00:14:36,577 Speaker 2: director had the authority. I mean, the CI director had 283 00:14:36,577 --> 00:14:41,057 Speaker 2: the authority to fire any CIA employee on a one 284 00:14:41,097 --> 00:14:43,617 Speaker 2: off basically, like you are like, he could just fire somebody, 285 00:14:44,777 --> 00:14:47,177 Speaker 2: and I would assume that that would then extend to 286 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:50,297 Speaker 2: the commander in chief, the head of the executive branch. 287 00:14:50,697 --> 00:14:54,417 Speaker 2: But can you just fire five thousand people from the 288 00:14:54,457 --> 00:14:56,777 Speaker 2: executive branch if you're the president? Like, is there the 289 00:14:56,897 --> 00:14:59,577 Speaker 2: lawful authority for the President of the United States to 290 00:14:59,657 --> 00:15:01,097 Speaker 2: do that if he wants to? 291 00:15:01,537 --> 00:15:03,817 Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. I'm wondering. 292 00:15:04,057 --> 00:15:06,817 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that the short answer is no. Right. 293 00:15:07,497 --> 00:15:13,537 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's unions, protections, regulations on the proper 294 00:15:13,537 --> 00:15:17,377 Speaker 1: way of dismissing people. It all takes time. But you 295 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:20,017 Speaker 1: are touching on the issue a close issue here of 296 00:15:20,457 --> 00:15:23,257 Speaker 1: Schedule F, which of course was part of Project twenty 297 00:15:23,297 --> 00:15:26,057 Speaker 1: twenty five, and I think probably will get adopted, which 298 00:15:26,057 --> 00:15:29,817 Speaker 1: would expand the number of positions which are political point 299 00:15:30,097 --> 00:15:34,097 Speaker 1: es and decrease the number of career employees at each agency, 300 00:15:34,337 --> 00:15:36,657 Speaker 1: so that the president would then been able to come 301 00:15:36,697 --> 00:15:40,257 Speaker 1: in and fire more people. But adopting schedule off is 302 00:15:40,257 --> 00:15:41,937 Speaker 1: gonna have to go through a regulatory process that's going 303 00:15:42,017 --> 00:15:43,937 Speaker 1: to be thought through the courts. So maybe at the 304 00:15:44,017 --> 00:15:46,217 Speaker 1: end of the day, you'll be able to get to 305 00:15:46,257 --> 00:15:49,417 Speaker 1: a point where the president department heads can't snap their 306 00:15:49,457 --> 00:15:51,737 Speaker 1: fingers and fire more people. But no, you can't just 307 00:15:51,737 --> 00:15:53,137 Speaker 1: snap your fingers and fire everyone. 308 00:15:55,337 --> 00:15:59,537 Speaker 2: Wow, sad, sad, I'm sorry, sorry to work with con 309 00:16:00,177 --> 00:16:01,617 Speaker 2: sad times with con Carol. 310 00:16:02,457 --> 00:16:03,697 Speaker 3: Well, let's let's call. 311 00:16:03,617 --> 00:16:05,777 Speaker 1: That the segment. Let's not pep excited. 312 00:16:05,977 --> 00:16:10,017 Speaker 3: That's okay. Look, I mean I do know. Here's my thing. 313 00:16:10,457 --> 00:16:11,577 Speaker 3: I know what you said. 314 00:16:11,937 --> 00:16:14,257 Speaker 2: I'm aware, like I was in the CIA, so I'm 315 00:16:14,297 --> 00:16:16,457 Speaker 2: aware of the civil service protections all these things. 316 00:16:17,097 --> 00:16:20,897 Speaker 3: But I just wonder, you know, how. 317 00:16:20,777 --> 00:16:23,377 Speaker 2: Does like, like the president really doesn't have the power 318 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:26,137 Speaker 2: to fire whoever he wants who works within the executive branch. 319 00:16:26,257 --> 00:16:28,057 Speaker 3: Like that's kind of a crazy thing, do you know 320 00:16:28,097 --> 00:16:28,537 Speaker 3: what I mean? 321 00:16:29,017 --> 00:16:32,177 Speaker 1: You are dead and I'm sure the CIA is different 322 00:16:32,177 --> 00:16:34,617 Speaker 1: and they have, you know, different protections because of the 323 00:16:34,697 --> 00:16:39,857 Speaker 1: national security implications of you know, right. 324 00:16:38,537 --> 00:16:41,537 Speaker 2: Theoretically, if you got rid of your whole intelligence service overnight, 325 00:16:41,537 --> 00:16:43,777 Speaker 2: it would be bad for the country. I'm not so 326 00:16:43,817 --> 00:16:46,497 Speaker 2: sure about that, but anyway, having worked there, but yes, 327 00:16:47,417 --> 00:16:48,017 Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean. 328 00:16:47,897 --> 00:16:49,577 Speaker 1: I mean the you know, president can fire a general 329 00:16:49,617 --> 00:16:52,497 Speaker 1: whenever he wants. It's you know, that's not secret porities. 330 00:16:52,537 --> 00:16:54,897 Speaker 1: But it's different for like, you know some you know, 331 00:16:54,977 --> 00:16:58,497 Speaker 1: regional bureaucract Department of Education. That's just you know, not 332 00:16:57,977 --> 00:16:59,337 Speaker 1: not the same system. 333 00:16:59,417 --> 00:17:01,977 Speaker 2: But shouldn't they be even Like now you're talking about 334 00:17:01,977 --> 00:17:03,457 Speaker 2: the system I think and what you're saying I know 335 00:17:03,577 --> 00:17:05,497 Speaker 2: is true, And you're right, you're very astute guy, and 336 00:17:05,497 --> 00:17:07,897 Speaker 2: that's why I have you on. But if you can 337 00:17:07,937 --> 00:17:10,417 Speaker 2: fire a general, why can't you fire and Department of 338 00:17:10,537 --> 00:17:11,417 Speaker 2: Education bureaucrat? 339 00:17:11,457 --> 00:17:13,817 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Like, what you're saying 340 00:17:13,977 --> 00:17:14,457 Speaker 3: is true. 341 00:17:14,457 --> 00:17:18,457 Speaker 1: But these are excellent questions and points that go to 342 00:17:18,657 --> 00:17:21,617 Speaker 1: you know, a huge part of the debate over the 343 00:17:21,657 --> 00:17:24,417 Speaker 1: government of our country. You know, since since the New 344 00:17:24,457 --> 00:17:26,817 Speaker 1: Deal in the creation of the administrative state, you know, 345 00:17:26,857 --> 00:17:29,697 Speaker 1: what are the democratic controls that we should have over 346 00:17:29,737 --> 00:17:32,297 Speaker 1: the buocracy? What are the checks and balances in there? 347 00:17:33,417 --> 00:17:36,377 Speaker 1: This is a large body of debate and law that 348 00:17:36,417 --> 00:17:39,777 Speaker 1: has been going on for nineteen forties. It's eighty years now, 349 00:17:40,897 --> 00:17:43,137 Speaker 1: and yeah, these are not new questions, but these are 350 00:17:43,177 --> 00:17:44,057 Speaker 1: the difficult ones. 351 00:17:44,177 --> 00:17:44,377 Speaker 3: You know. 352 00:17:44,497 --> 00:17:47,537 Speaker 2: My thing is if if you can't if the head 353 00:17:47,577 --> 00:17:52,497 Speaker 2: of an organization can't fire anybody in that organization, you know, 354 00:17:52,617 --> 00:17:55,737 Speaker 2: within some reason, right, they don't really work for that person, 355 00:17:55,777 --> 00:17:56,377 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? 356 00:17:56,937 --> 00:17:58,497 Speaker 3: And I just remember I do. 357 00:17:58,617 --> 00:18:00,697 Speaker 1: And it gets even worse on the state and local level. 358 00:18:00,737 --> 00:18:03,617 Speaker 1: I mean, when you talk about you know, California trying 359 00:18:03,617 --> 00:18:06,297 Speaker 1: to fix itself, for Illinois trying to fix itself, those 360 00:18:06,297 --> 00:18:08,977 Speaker 1: poor governors, they can't fire anyone because it's all through 361 00:18:08,977 --> 00:18:12,217 Speaker 1: collective bargaining. So if they can't even really reorganize or 362 00:18:12,217 --> 00:18:14,377 Speaker 1: coming into school, I mean, you have some superintendent You're like, 363 00:18:14,457 --> 00:18:17,977 Speaker 1: go fix the Chicago public schools. It's like, that's impossible 364 00:18:18,017 --> 00:18:22,737 Speaker 1: because everything is governed through the collective bargaining process, they 365 00:18:22,737 --> 00:18:23,737 Speaker 1: have no real power. 366 00:18:24,457 --> 00:18:26,497 Speaker 2: It's crazy, all right, But this is really interesting, And 367 00:18:26,577 --> 00:18:29,577 Speaker 2: this is what I think Elon and and Vivague. I mean, 368 00:18:29,617 --> 00:18:31,337 Speaker 2: I worry that Elon is going to see what a 369 00:18:31,337 --> 00:18:33,697 Speaker 2: mess the government really is and be like I'm out. 370 00:18:33,737 --> 00:18:34,977 Speaker 3: I gotta build rocket ships with it. 371 00:18:35,017 --> 00:18:38,097 Speaker 1: By the way, maybe what it a mess is and 372 00:18:38,137 --> 00:18:40,857 Speaker 1: then there's smart enough lawyers around him to be like, Okay, 373 00:18:40,897 --> 00:18:44,177 Speaker 1: these are the specific statutes you need to change so 374 00:18:44,217 --> 00:18:45,657 Speaker 1: that the system can be reforred. 375 00:18:45,697 --> 00:18:45,857 Speaker 3: Right. 376 00:18:45,897 --> 00:18:48,057 Speaker 2: Well, that's that I think would be probably the best 377 00:18:48,097 --> 00:18:50,617 Speaker 2: reasonable outcome from this, based on how hard this stuff is. 378 00:18:50,697 --> 00:18:52,857 Speaker 2: Let's come back and talk deportations here in a second. 379 00:18:53,697 --> 00:18:55,257 Speaker 2: And also, it would commend you all to go get 380 00:18:55,257 --> 00:18:57,097 Speaker 2: a copy of Sex and the Citizen. 381 00:18:57,737 --> 00:18:58,057 Speaker 3: It is. 382 00:18:58,177 --> 00:19:00,857 Speaker 2: It's it's it's family friendly, even though the title is 383 00:19:00,857 --> 00:19:05,137 Speaker 2: a little it's about Yes, it's about marriage. 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Can they ramp this part of it up dramatically? 407 00:20:11,897 --> 00:20:14,537 Speaker 2: Con Are you optimistic about where this is going? 408 00:20:15,977 --> 00:20:18,657 Speaker 1: I am optimistic, although I probably think there's gonna be 409 00:20:18,697 --> 00:20:22,657 Speaker 1: a lot fewer deportations than you do. Look, I mean 410 00:20:22,697 --> 00:20:23,937 Speaker 1: basically you. 411 00:20:23,977 --> 00:20:25,297 Speaker 3: Have Oh I'm worried. 412 00:20:25,777 --> 00:20:28,377 Speaker 2: You might you might think that I'm worried about how 413 00:20:28,417 --> 00:20:30,937 Speaker 2: this is going to go because the cameras are going 414 00:20:30,977 --> 00:20:33,537 Speaker 2: to come out and everybody is going to be, you know, 415 00:20:33,857 --> 00:20:37,377 Speaker 2: a crying grandma. Who's you know, been like working at 416 00:20:37,457 --> 00:20:39,897 Speaker 2: the at the Puppy shelter for the last twenty years. 417 00:20:39,937 --> 00:20:41,177 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, it's just going to be 418 00:20:41,177 --> 00:20:41,537 Speaker 3: a mess. 419 00:20:41,617 --> 00:20:43,857 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean, hopefully Stephen Miller learned his 420 00:20:43,937 --> 00:20:45,817 Speaker 1: lesson and doesn't do that, right. So, I mean, there's 421 00:20:45,857 --> 00:20:49,417 Speaker 1: a lot of popular or unpopular things these Trump administration 422 00:20:49,537 --> 00:20:52,017 Speaker 1: did in their first administration, like you know, separating children, 423 00:20:52,177 --> 00:20:55,657 Speaker 1: which was ineffective and dumb, right, So hopefully they don't 424 00:20:55,657 --> 00:20:58,017 Speaker 1: try to do those kind of stunts again. But there 425 00:20:58,057 --> 00:20:59,737 Speaker 1: are a lot of things they can do that are 426 00:20:59,817 --> 00:21:03,097 Speaker 1: popular and would be effective. Uh. You know. One of them, 427 00:21:03,097 --> 00:21:05,817 Speaker 1: first of all, would be shutting down Biden's pro programs, 428 00:21:05,577 --> 00:21:09,337 Speaker 1: the CHNAV program where they fly people to the country 429 00:21:09,617 --> 00:21:11,817 Speaker 1: and the Sea VB one app program where they make 430 00:21:11,857 --> 00:21:14,297 Speaker 1: appointments to enterve points of entry in the country. Shut 431 00:21:14,337 --> 00:21:18,417 Speaker 1: those down, that's easy, you know. Then from there, you 432 00:21:18,417 --> 00:21:22,097 Speaker 1: you know, restart with the Remain in Mexico program keep uh, 433 00:21:22,177 --> 00:21:25,017 Speaker 1: instead of releasing migrants into the country, send them back 434 00:21:25,057 --> 00:21:28,777 Speaker 1: to Mexico where they can wait for their asylum hearings, 435 00:21:29,617 --> 00:21:31,737 Speaker 1: and then after that when it does come to deportations. 436 00:21:32,177 --> 00:21:34,737 Speaker 1: Not many people realize this, but there are one point 437 00:21:34,777 --> 00:21:38,777 Speaker 1: two million legal immigrants in this country who have already 438 00:21:38,777 --> 00:21:41,217 Speaker 1: had all their due process, meaning they've gone through all 439 00:21:41,257 --> 00:21:43,777 Speaker 1: the stages of the court, and a judge has issued 440 00:21:43,897 --> 00:21:47,337 Speaker 1: a deportation order. So there's there's no more legal wrangling here. 441 00:21:47,497 --> 00:21:51,057 Speaker 1: This person has been adjudicated out of the country. They're 442 00:21:51,097 --> 00:21:53,697 Speaker 1: one point two million of those legal immigrants just floating 443 00:21:53,737 --> 00:21:57,457 Speaker 1: around this country. We normally only deport about two hundred 444 00:21:57,497 --> 00:21:59,777 Speaker 1: thousand people a year, so it's gonna if we even 445 00:21:59,937 --> 00:22:03,097 Speaker 1: doubled the amount of people we deport a year, we 446 00:22:03,137 --> 00:22:06,137 Speaker 1: could spend four years just on that one point two 447 00:22:06,177 --> 00:22:09,097 Speaker 1: million backlog. And we're not even separating families yet. Where 448 00:22:09,217 --> 00:22:11,617 Speaker 1: these are going to be most criminals, right, So it's 449 00:22:11,617 --> 00:22:13,497 Speaker 1: not gonna be Grandma at the at the at the 450 00:22:13,497 --> 00:22:16,937 Speaker 1: puppy store, right, It's going to be you know, uncle 451 00:22:16,977 --> 00:22:21,217 Speaker 1: Julio who has four DUIs and in a shoplifting convention. Right. 452 00:22:21,257 --> 00:22:23,857 Speaker 1: These are not going to be super sympathetic figures. So 453 00:22:24,497 --> 00:22:26,537 Speaker 1: the other part of this, which I think Trump would 454 00:22:26,537 --> 00:22:28,697 Speaker 1: be very wise to do, is look at all the 455 00:22:28,737 --> 00:22:32,737 Speaker 1: democratic governors and mayors coming out now saying we're not 456 00:22:32,777 --> 00:22:36,217 Speaker 1: going to cooperate. Fantastic, Let's fight them, every single one 457 00:22:36,217 --> 00:22:38,417 Speaker 1: of them, in court and in Congress, and make them 458 00:22:38,417 --> 00:22:41,617 Speaker 1: defend the Julio Bar, the Bars of the world who 459 00:22:41,697 --> 00:22:44,057 Speaker 1: killed Lake and Riley. Make them defend all the criminal 460 00:22:44,137 --> 00:22:47,337 Speaker 1: legal immigrants that have raped and murdered and stolen from 461 00:22:47,377 --> 00:22:50,017 Speaker 1: their citizens. Make them defend those people. And all Trump 462 00:22:50,057 --> 00:22:51,377 Speaker 1: has to say is, look, all I'm trying to do 463 00:22:51,457 --> 00:22:53,897 Speaker 1: is pick up the criminals and fly them back home. 464 00:22:53,977 --> 00:22:57,137 Speaker 1: And these Democrats are stopping me. And that that's not 465 00:22:57,177 --> 00:23:00,617 Speaker 1: heavy lift. That doesn't involved, you know, mass deportation camps, 466 00:23:00,817 --> 00:23:04,017 Speaker 1: massed attention camps. It just means ramping up the existing 467 00:23:04,057 --> 00:23:08,737 Speaker 1: detention senators and going after that criminal element. Yeah, that's 468 00:23:08,737 --> 00:23:09,457 Speaker 1: all you need to do. 469 00:23:10,137 --> 00:23:11,417 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you got to them, if you got rid 470 00:23:11,417 --> 00:23:14,257 Speaker 2: of that of you deported that million, one point two million, 471 00:23:14,497 --> 00:23:17,377 Speaker 2: that would be a massive success. Actually, and I think 472 00:23:17,417 --> 00:23:19,097 Speaker 2: it is. I think it is achievable. 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