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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Kelly. I'm Alex Rodriguez, and welcome to the deal.

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Speaker 2: On this episode, Candace Parker. All right, Alex, we are

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Speaker 2: catching Candace at an amazing moment in her career. She's

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Speaker 2: stopped playing She's moved on to being a business person

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Speaker 2: full stop. Reminds me a little bit in her ambition

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Speaker 2: of somebody I know who used to play bass.

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Speaker 3: You know, I really connected with her. I felt like,

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Speaker 3: very much like I was looking in the mirror a

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Speaker 3: little bit. She has such a great vision, a clear,

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Speaker 3: big vision. But she's also a media star. I believe

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Speaker 3: she'll be a future owner in the NBA and WNBA.

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Speaker 3: She has a wonderful relationship with Adidas where they made

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Speaker 3: her the president of basketball for women's basketball. And if

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Speaker 3: she was a stock, Jason, I would buy as much

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Speaker 3: as I can.

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Speaker 2: This is a good one. Folks. Up next, Candas Parker,

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Speaker 2: all right, please introduce yourself.

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Speaker 4: I'm Cannas Parker, so happy to join you all.

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Speaker 2: And how would you describe what you're doing these days?

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Speaker 4: I'm more outside the lines, I would say.

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Speaker 5: I think my whole goal is to continue to grow

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Speaker 5: the game of women's basketball and women's sports in general,

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Speaker 5: and so was named to dida's women's basketball president recently

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Speaker 5: this year, just kind of like the business of sports,

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Speaker 5: if you will. And then also doing a little broadcasting

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Speaker 5: with the guys on TNT in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Early in your career, you know, you grew up in Illinois,

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Speaker 2: you end up at University of Tennessee, which is already

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Speaker 2: iconic at that moment when good are you made it?

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Speaker 2: More so a couple of national championships you played for

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Speaker 2: Pat Summit. We talk a lot about coaches being influential.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Alex talks all the time about how pivotal

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Speaker 2: that was for him. When you think about the pantheon

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Speaker 2: of coaches Pat Summit is there across all sports. Tell

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Speaker 2: us about meeting her and what convinced you to go

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Speaker 2: to Tennessee, because that clearly is when you talk about deals,

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Speaker 2: like making that deal really changes the trajectory of your career.

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Speaker 5: Well, what's crazy was, Yeah, it was in between the lines.

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Speaker 5: You know, obviously I wanted to play basketball. I didn't

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Speaker 5: go to Tennessee to like be a writer, like. I

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Speaker 5: went there with the mindset that I wanted to play basketball.

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Speaker 5: As a career. She was landing from speaking to the

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Speaker 5: CIA when I flew in for an unofficial visit, Like

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Speaker 5: let that set in, and I remember my dad just

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Speaker 5: kind of like sitting back in his chair. And my

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Speaker 5: dad is the one that is the visionary and the

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Speaker 5: like he's the one that was like, you're six or four,

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Speaker 5: but you're still going to be able to dribble, shoot, pass.

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Speaker 5: We're not going to stand you by the basket. And

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Speaker 5: in other ways, I think it was the same. He

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Speaker 5: wanted someone that would teach me not just basketball and

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Speaker 5: the x's and o's, but about like after the ball

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Speaker 5: stops bouncing and those lessons that you learn now are

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Speaker 5: going to be applied later. And Coach Summit was the

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Speaker 5: perfect example for that. Like I wanted to be a

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Speaker 5: mom and to watch her just balance being a mom

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Speaker 5: as well as being one of the best, if not

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Speaker 5: the best coach ever and win national championships, her as

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Speaker 5: a human, growing the game of women's basketball when she

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Speaker 5: was at the forefront of Title nine before it was popular.

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Speaker 5: So just being able to like see all of that

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Speaker 5: learn those lessons through that, I think that's what got

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Speaker 5: and sold myself and my parents.

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Speaker 3: I get really nerdy about this, like Jason said, like

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Speaker 3: because my father left at the age of ten, Mentors

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Speaker 3: and coaches kind of you know, formulated my life really

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Speaker 3: and really made such a big impression and inspiration in

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Speaker 3: my life. But specifics, is there one or two things

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Speaker 3: you can share because we didn't play for Coach Summit

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Speaker 3: that really motivated you that to this day that you

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent. The biggest thing with Coach Summitt is

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Speaker 5: she was the same person when she was hanging banners

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Speaker 5: as when she was going through rough patches. And you know,

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Speaker 5: she has a definite dozen principles that she would give

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Speaker 5: all of us when we first arrived at Tennessee, and

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Speaker 5: she would check back in with us every year, and

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Speaker 5: every year she would assigned a different definite dozen. Well

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Speaker 5: I got the same one every year. It was handle

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Speaker 5: of what you think. I think I beat myself up

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Speaker 5: it was like these lessons every single year. I would

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Speaker 5: observed about her. But Coach Summit just had a presence.

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Speaker 5: I think she'd man did greatness and respect, but she

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Speaker 5: was one of the best listeners, and I think that's

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Speaker 5: what set me up a little bit because the expectation

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Speaker 5: where was all coaches were like that because I played

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Speaker 5: for my dad, my high school coach, and Pat Summit,

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Speaker 5: so the expectation was like this is how it was,

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Speaker 5: but wasn't. She would come to time out and be like, Parker,

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Speaker 5: what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Right? This coach is asking me what I think?

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Speaker 5: And then sometimes we would do what I would say,

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Speaker 5: or sometimes we wouldn't. But the times we would do

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Speaker 5: it or not do it, I would still feel ownership

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Speaker 2: Talk to us about the game of basketball at that

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Speaker 2: be the most popular. So what was it like in

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Speaker 2: that era? What do you remember most distinctly about those days?

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Speaker 5: It was before all the Instagram and Facebook, so I

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Speaker 5: little bit. Playing basketball at that time, it was like

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Speaker 5: and that's how you kinda were able to be a

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Speaker 4: But I will say I think was Diana.

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Speaker 5: Tarasi said to me, and this is when we played

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Speaker 5: playing in college and then people slowly but surely forget

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Speaker 5: just thought it was so weird because it's like opposite

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Speaker 5: for the men. We were winning national championships. We were

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Speaker 5: rock stars on the road. I mean we sold out

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Speaker 3: And when you were in college and you're playing in

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Speaker 3: did Candice Parker already start thinking about life after WNBA

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Speaker 3: go back to visualizing the future?

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Speaker 5: Well, for I would say a semester and a half

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Speaker 5: I was a finance major because I really wanted to

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Speaker 5: do that, and then coach Summit wouldn't change practice and

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Speaker 5: I needed a pre wreck and I was like, I'm

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Speaker 5: not staying here another year and a half for finance.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I always wanted to do and be a

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Speaker 5: that includes asking questions. I think immediately in broadcasting, just learning,

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Speaker 5: in college where people like answering questions. You know, I

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Speaker 5: but if you ask, usually there's a relationship that's developed.

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Speaker 5: Questions are answered, you know, and you learn more. And

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Speaker 4: And so that's kind of what I did early on.

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Speaker 2: Where does that come from? Do you think? Because there

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to do this as long as I can.

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Speaker 2: What gave you that need? It sounds like to look

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Speaker 2: Is that from growing up? Like where does that come from?

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Speaker 5: I'm like the annoying little sister that I always asked

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Speaker 5: why I have two older brothers there eight and eleven

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Speaker 2: And given what you said, and Diana Tarossi's observation was

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Speaker 2: given that what are the decisions or how do you

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Speaker 5: Next when you're young, and especially I had my daughter

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Speaker 5: automatically thinking about your brand and getting better at your sport,

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Speaker 5: but you're also thinking about your finances and making sure

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Speaker 5: have long standing partners Adidas, I've been with sixteen years

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Speaker 5: of my career, Gatorade. I mean, you go down the line,

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Speaker 5: Karmat like, I've been blessed to have the ability to

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Speaker 5: do other things outside of the lines, but overseas was

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Speaker 5: care of your family at a different level, and that

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Speaker 5: was the sacrifice, but it was also a foresight of like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: the endorsements came for that, and there was money made

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Speaker 4: It's so interesting. They sent me.

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Speaker 4: Like everybody knows in my house, don't come in my

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Speaker 4: And I was like, wait, what you know? And they

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Speaker 5: expected of me and you know what I would need

439
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 5: to be able to succeed and to really continue to

440
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 5: grow it from that perspective, and honestly, I can say

441
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 5: from day one, the first meeting we've had, it's been amazing.

442
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 5: My imprint won't be on it until twenty twenty five,

443
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 5: because you know how the brand works, it's a year ahead.

444
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 4: But already, like just.

445
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 5: The conversations that we've had and you know our focus

446
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 5: and you know what our intentions are.

447
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: I think grassroots.

448
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 5: You see a kid like me at fourteen years old

449
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 5: put on some Tmax.

450
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 4: It had a lasting impact.

451
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so I think we're realizing not to give

452
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 5: away secrets to the you know, to the other brand.

453
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 5: We're realizing, like it's super important to find that fourteen

454
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 5: year old kid.

455
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I don't want to get too far

456
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 2: away from this signature shoe conversation. Swap some notes here.

457
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: What was it like when that happened, you know, when

458
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: when you put on your own shoe, It.

459
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 4: Was nothing like it.

460
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 5: I think I love the design process because I was

461
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 5: a sneakerhead back in the day.

462
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: You know, I wore the kg's when.

463
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 5: He was there, wore the you know this, you know,

464
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 5: the pro models, the Tmax, the.

465
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 4: AIS, I mean all that.

466
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 5: So I was always into like, okay, so you're able

467
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 5: to start from the ground up. There's no design and

468
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 5: you can design whatever you want. And at the time,

469
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 5: it's so funny. The first thing I said, I was like,

470
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 5: I like skittles. I want to have like smash skittles

471
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 5: on the bottom of the shoe.

472
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 4: And they came in.

473
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 5: Like fifteen designs of like smash skittles, Like what would

474
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 5: that look like? And spark colors and all this stuff.

475
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 5: So I just I had the coolest experience creating the shoe,

476
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 5: and then when it finally came to life and I

477
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 5: actually put it on, I think I was more excited

478
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 5: because I had replica shoes for all my nieces and

479
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 5: nephews and my daughter, and so it was really cool

480
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 5: to see like my shoe and what came about from

481
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 5: that on other people's feet.

482
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 2: What was it like for you.

483
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: I remember one of the kind of meetings of creative

484
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 3: where they were asking me, what's your favorite car, what's

485
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: your favorite watch, what do you order a Starbucks? And

486
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: like all these questions, but they asked me like fifty

487
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: questions and then they came up with this awesome killer shoe.

488
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 3: And then that led to my first commercial with Nike,

489
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 3: where I took the shoe and put it in a

490
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 3: blender and then I drank the drink and it was

491
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: a dream come trure. I mean, I'm a kid from Miami.

492
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: I collected my mom collected food stamps, and here I

493
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 3: am wearing my own Nike sneakers with my teammate Griffy,

494
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: And in many ways I felt like, you know, Jordan

495
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: and Pippin, because they both had their sneakers and he

496
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: and I had our own sneakers, so I thought it

497
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: was awesome.

498
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, what was that feeling like

499
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 5: the first time you saw somebody else wear it like

500
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 5: when you just were driving to your car and you

501
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 5: just looked and you saw somebody or whatever, Like, what

502
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 5: was that feeling?

503
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: I wish I had an iPhone so I could take

504
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 3: a picture, but I told a bunch of people. I

505
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 3: don't think they believed me, but the first time was like,

506
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 3: it's a surreal moment. You like, how are they wearing

507
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 3: my sneakers? That's pretty cool? And it just gives your

508
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: sense of pride for sure, and a real connection to

509
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: the company that they believe so much in you. I mean,

510
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: think about it. They just can pick anybody in the world,

511
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: and they picked Candice Parkering to be the president of

512
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: women's basketball. You have a fiduciary duty to that company.

513
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: And the fact you've been with them for sixteen years,

514
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 3: it's amazing. I've been with nik for twenty five years, right,

515
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: that's all I've worn and Lawyersy's a big thing to me.

516
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: So it's been a great relationship for me as well.

517
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 4: Amazing.

518
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: So when you think about kind of this next chapter.

519
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: It's something you've been working on for a while. But

520
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: I want to read a paragraph that jumped out at

521
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: me and I read it to Alex earlier. I'm going

522
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: to read it back to you. So this is a

523
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: paragraph from your retirement announcement on Instagram. I'm quoting here.

524
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: In the meantime, know all caps, I'm a businessman, not

525
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: a businessman. This is the beginning. I'm attacking business, private

526
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: equity ownership. I will own both an NBA and WNBA team,

527
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: broadcasting production, boardrooms, beach volleyball, Domino's. This is apparently in

528
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: the side. I think to your wife, Sorry, baby, it's

529
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: going to get more real with the same intensity and

530
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 2: focus I did basketball. Wow, break that down for us.

531
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: That's like a mission statement, I think unpacking.

532
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 5: I always believe in speaking things into existence, and that

533
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 5: is a goal of mine and I'm not going to

534
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 5: shy away from it. I think everybody assumes, you know

535
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 5: WBA players own a WBA team, but I'm a huge

536
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 5: fan of the NBA as well, and I think that

537
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 5: that's a possibility as well. And I think just taking

538
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 5: that mindset of being an athlete on the court, you

539
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 5: set all of those microscopic and telescopic goals, but really

540
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 5: the work comes behind figuring out how I'm going to

541
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 5: do that, and every single day putting yourself in a

542
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 5: position to be better than you were the day before.

543
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 5: I really, I really think it's just recreating the blueprint

544
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 5: of what you had as an athlete. I mean, you

545
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 5: look at seasons, you figure out what your goals are.

546
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 5: Obviously the championship would be owning a team. And we

547
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 5: know some people, we know a couple, we know a

548
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 5: couple of people, people that have and people that will hopefully.

549
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 5: But I think it's it's the relationships, it's learning. It's

550
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 5: so crazy because you know, I'm a huge Malcolm Glawell,

551
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 5: like I read all his books.

552
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you.

553
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 5: Talk about outlier and it talks about ten thousand hours.

554
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 5: You talk about the time, and I think you know

555
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 5: you've experienced this with with your kids as well, where

556
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 5: you're trying to teach them that if you put the

557
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 5: time in, you can have these God given abilities. But

558
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 5: if you put the time in, then you're going to

559
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 5: be better. Right, you can turn into greatness just from

560
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 5: putting the time. And I think athletes when they endo career,

561
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 5: you forget how much time you put in to be

562
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 5: really good at your sport. And I have to remind

563
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 5: myself that I need to put the time and the

564
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 5: energy and the effort. And sometimes that's goal setting, and

565
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 5: sometimes that's like like now my Google calendar, it's it's

566
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 5: for real, like I have to stay you know, I

567
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 5: have to stay on top of that because that's what

568
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 5: I want to do.

569
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: And so that's going to give me there So can

570
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: does this talk about that? You talk about the reps

571
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: and I'm a big believer of that. I've always said,

572
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be the smartest. I'm not going

573
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: to be like obviously, I didn't go to any ivy

574
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: leave college.

575
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: I didn't go to college.

576
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: So I'm going to be the hardest work and first

577
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: one there, last one to leave, and I'm going to

578
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 3: grind and I'm going to study. But talk about studying

579
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: for you, how do you make up the time because

580
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: you were playing basketball to compete in the world of

581
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: the Mark lazwis that David Blitzers, what kind of studying

582
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: do you do? And walk me through your mindset of

583
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: how do you fill that gap?

584
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: I love asking people for twenty minutes of your time

585
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: bi monthly. I just need twenty minutes of your time,

586
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 5: and can we go over this deck and you teach

587
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 5: me what you saw or past decks that have been

588
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 5: successful or companies that you've passed on. What did you

589
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: look at? What did you see? What did the margins

590
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 5: look like? What made you lean towards this? What are

591
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 5: the qualities? Because here's the thing you can probably I

592
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 5: always say this when I'm scouting somebody in basketball, there's

593
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 5: that like intangible that your brain's putting together, but it's

594
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 5: all things that you've learned over time.

595
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: How do they move?

596
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 5: Like, how are they handling? Are they looking up? Are

597
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 5: they seeing the floor? Are they making their teammates better?

598
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: All those things?

599
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: And I think in business it's like that as well,

600
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 5: especially when you're picking between you know, apples to apples

601
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 5: and you're picking between people because honestly, that's what it is.

602
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: It's all relationships.

603
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: Right.

604
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 5: You can have an amazing idea in the wrong person

605
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: running it, and you can have an uh okay idea

606
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: and the right person's running it. And I think that's

607
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 5: what I'm learning the most from mentors like Mark Lazari

608
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 5: and from you know, I've involved with other individuals. You

609
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 5: talk about Andy Spellman, you talk about Mark Roberts, I

610
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: mean down the line. But the thing that I'm noticing

611
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: the most is how important it is for me to

612
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 5: also get in rooms with women and learn and listen

613
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 5: and be a part of that network and growth as well.

614
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 5: So I think just picking their brain, asking questions and

615
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 5: not being afraid to ask for time.

616
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Love that. Let's talk about Mark Lazarie for a second,

617
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: because off camera I got a little intel which your

618
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: business relationship with him began, I believe with you giving

619
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: him a black eye.

620
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: I crossed him first, then I gave him a black guy.

621
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 4: And now I'm just kidding.

622
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

623
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: We were playing in a celebrity game at NBA All

624
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 5: Star and Mark was playing and I did a fake.

625
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 5: I did my like patent over the head fake, and

626
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 5: he turned and looked, and by the time he reacted,

627
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 5: I had already gone, and so we bumped heads.

628
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: And his daughter's thought.

629
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: That you were a professional basketball player, the only professional

630
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: basketball team owner.

631
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was an owner.

632
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 5: He was an owner on that team, and it was hilarious,

633
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: and so his daughters thought it was the funniest thing.

634
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 5: And so ever since then, every NBA All Star We'd

635
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: always seek each other out. We would always find each other.

636
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 5: I'd see his daughters, we'd talk, we'd hang out, go

637
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 5: to dinner, all those things.

638
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: And then about.

639
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: What was it twenty twenty two, twenty one when the

640
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 5: Bucks were, you know about on the CUSPA winning a championship.

641
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: He's like, we got to you your bulls fan.

642
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 5: I'm a Bulls fan. It was great in the nineties,

643
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 5: Now not so much. We got to get you out

644
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 5: here to a game, and I'm like, there's I'm never coming.

645
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: To a Bucks name.

646
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 4: I can't do it. Well, he convinced me.

647
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 5: I drove from Chicago to the Bucks and just seeing

648
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 5: the environment, being able to see dear district, all the

649
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 5: things that he's done, it was unbelievable. And just to

650
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 5: continue to talk to him and catch up with him

651
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 5: and do all that it was amazing. And then you know,

652
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 5: he started, you know, Avenue Capital Sports, and then he

653
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 5: called me one day and was like, I would love

654
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 5: for you to be involved in it. And Mark is

655
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 5: one of those people that it's super special. I think

656
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 5: we have an amazing friendship. But also everything he says

657
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 5: he does, and I think that's the thing that I

658
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: respect most about Mark Lazarie.

659
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: He's a great mentor. I got to get share one

660
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: Mark Glazery store just to tell you what an incredible

661
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: guy he is. Back like in eleven, a couple of

662
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 3: years after we won the title with the Yankees, we

663
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: had a date where he was going to mentor me

664
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: and we're gonna go over my real estate deck, right

665
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: And I said, I'll probably be there on eleven I said,

666
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: Yankee rest Sox games usually go a little longer, or

667
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: maybe eleven thirty. Well, of course we're going to extra endings.

668
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: It's like one am. I'm texting him. I said, hey,

669
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: rain check, I'm sure you're sleeping. He goes, no, come over.

670
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, first of all, you're up, So I

671
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: get I knock in his house. He's got his pajamas on,

672
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: and we spend the next hour and a half on

673
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: his couch, one in one and he's going red marking

674
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: my deck. And then he's been a long time investor

675
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: of mine. We've been partners with several other things, and

676
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll do other things. But when you have

677
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: mentors like that that are really special, that's just an example.

678
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: Nobody knows that story. But you know stories like that,

679
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: and I've experienced stories like that, it's pretty cool.

680
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 5: That's what separates it if you think about it, Like

681
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 5: everybody wonders why Steph can shoot like he shoots. Yes,

682
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 5: it's god given talent some of it. But like, who's

683
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 5: the one that's in the gym getting the most shots

684
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 5: of mm hm, And it's it's guys like Mark that

685
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: put the time in, put the energy in, do the

686
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: extra I think that I'm learning that are successful.

687
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: But he's a nice guy.

688
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: I think that's what separates him is he actually genuinely

689
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 5: cares about you as a human and what you do

690
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 5: and the decisions that you make.

691
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: Talk to us about women's sports, you know, it's something

692
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: you started this conversation talking about being committed to women's

693
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: basketball and women's sports. What needs to happen next for

694
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 2: women's sports. From a business perspective.

695
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 5: We've always talked about properly investing in a product. I mean,

696
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 5: we've been screaming from the rooftop that scared money doesn't

697
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 5: make money, that you actually have to properly invest in

698
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 5: not only the sport and the business plan, but also

699
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: the athletes. The thing I respect most about the NBA

700
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 5: is Adam Silver. He calls me, I'm just like, I

701
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 5: don't even I mean, he asks questions to me, and

702
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 5: I'm not part of the NBA. The stars of the

703
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 5: NBA questions, Yeah, yeah, hopefully Lebron is on speed dial.

704
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 4: He talks to me as a relationship with them.

705
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 5: And I think that within women's sports for so long,

706
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 5: it's been a separation of investment and product for a

707
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 5: very long time. And I think the first conversation I

708
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 5: had with Mark was what are you dedicating? What percentage

709
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 5: of the fund are you dedicating to women's sports? Because

710
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 5: this isn't something that I want to come into and

711
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 5: just not make an impact on something that I'm passionate about.

712
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 5: And he's like, we're going to invest in women's sports

713
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 5: and we're going to do it. And this was before

714
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 5: this last year year and a half, which was unique timing.

715
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 5: And I said, okay, but I need more than an

716
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 5: investment of money. I need time as well, because you

717
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: can't just invest in a product that you've never seen.

718
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: So I was like, come to the final four. I

719
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 5: have a suite, Come sit with me at the women's

720
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 5: Final four and let's watch Iowa and South Carolina go

721
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 5: at it, and he came, you know, and he was

722
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 5: there and you know, met everybody saw the environment. And

723
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 5: I think that within women's sports, what we need is

724
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 5: people that are knowledgeable.

725
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: About the growth of it.

726
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 5: But also we need the billionaire owners that are going

727
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 5: to come in and actually make an impact and grow

728
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: the game again.

729
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: And so what's your role in that.

730
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: I think my role in that is understanding through past growth.

731
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 5: And that's why everybody was yelling from the rooftop. Wheah dah,

732
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: it's twenty eight years young. There were a lot of

733
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 5: leagues that it took took year thirty to really make

734
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 5: a growth. So it's coming, whether it comes at twenty eight,

735
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 5: twenty nine, thirty one, and we've seen it. The crazy

736
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 5: thing that I think it's little fixes And this is

737
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 5: where my role is is to question and to push

738
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 5: and to encourage.

739
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: ABC. It was the first time they put the women's

740
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 4: NCAA game on on ABC.

741
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 5: Was the first year that Kaylen Clark made the championship game.

742
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 5: Are you surprised that the viewership was up? Are you

743
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 5: surprised that people actually saw the product?

744
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 4: It was buried for so long on ESPN.

745
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 5: There's so many times during the INCA game and even

746
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 5: WNBA playoffs, I turn on the NBA doesn't want to

747
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 5: clash with NFL playoffs or NFL Opening Week, So why

748
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 5: would we then put the WNBA. I don't care if

749
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 5: that's the time slot that they're giving you. Let's fight

750
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 5: for another one or let's find something else. And I

751
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 5: think with streaming, with social media, now it's more front

752
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 5: and center. You're seeing the leaders of and I'm sorry,

753
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 5: I'm passionate about this. So now within you look at

754
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 5: statistics within social media and following and it's page Becker's.

755
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 5: She had more followings than Suggs, who was a top

756
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 5: four pick. She had more following than Anthony Edwards when

757
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 5: he was coming into the league. So now you're able

758
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 5: to look at social media and see what the following is,

759
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 5: the clicks, the like, the what they're selling. You know

760
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: what people are looking for, and you're now able to

761
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 5: see that, Okay, we women can sell things, and I

762
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 5: think that that is my role is to continue to

763
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 5: push the envelope of what that looks like, of visibility,

764
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 5: but also like having relationships to be able to build

765
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 5: what you're trying to build.

766
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: So one of the relationships that we have watched you

767
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: develop because you've done it on television, is with some

768
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: of the biggest personalities in NBA history. So I want

769
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about broadcasting. You've had some experience.

770
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: I want you guys to talk about this a little bit.

771
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: A lot of people maybe who didn't know you when

772
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: you were playing, now know you from giving it to check.

773
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: We know you guys are good friends. We've seen the

774
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: video of you hugging him after the championship game. Tell

775
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: us how all that came about. Because it's not traditionally

776
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: natural progression to be like a star women's basketball player

777
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: and then be chopping it up on the best watched

778
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: studio television show in sports.

779
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 5: I have to pinch myself sometimes because those guys were

780
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 5: on my wall and coming into a situation like that.

781
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: I'm a basketball hoop head.

782
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 5: Like I watch the game, and then I watch all

783
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 5: the highlights and the analysis after. Then the next morning

784
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 5: I wake up and I watch the analysis of the

785
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: analysis of the game previous. Like I drive my family

786
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 5: crazy with sports just being on television every type of sort,

787
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 5: and to be able to sit at that desk and

788
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 5: talk basketball and talk basketball with people that were on

789
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 5: your wall, but also basketball with people that played it

790
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 5: differently than you. And I don't mean just NBAWNBA. The

791
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: battle I have with Shack all the time is He's like,

792
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 5: just get the ball and score, and I'm like, check,

793
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 5: not everybody is seven footless three hundred pounds. Like, it's

794
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 5: not barbecue chicken for me. I got to do a

795
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 5: couple moves, you know, And so to be able to

796
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 5: sit at a desk like that and to chop it

797
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 5: up with them on a nightly basis, it's super special.

798
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 5: And I think early on I was a little like starstruck,

799
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: but as time went on, I realized, like, I'm not

800
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: trying to be one of the guys.

801
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be one of the players.

802
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 5: And once we kind of like understood that and their perspective,

803
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 5: they don't take anything I say to heart. We go

804
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 5: back and forth and again, my brothers prepared me for

805
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 5: it because I can take a lot of jokes and

806
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 5: they're making fun of my outfits or making fun of

807
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 5: how I walk. They say I walk like Kenny Smith

808
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 5: because my knees are you know, I'm bow legged.

809
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 4: So I can take all of.

810
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: That talk to me a little bit about your preparation.

811
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: Are you watching games, are you taking notes?

812
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: Do you have a coach?

813
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: Walk us through that a little bit.

814
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 4: It's so interesting because I think it's changed over time.

815
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: There's a lot of broadcasters that go by feel, and

816
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 5: I think that that's a skill that's a skill set.

817
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 5: Like you think about Reggie Miller, He's able to paint

818
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: a picture of what the game is, of what this

819
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 5: person is thinking or whatever. And you think about stan

820
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 5: Van Gundy, who's more of like stats and like all

821
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 5: all of these things. And you know, I'll be honest,

822
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: I think Shaq would come out and tell you he

823
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 5: doesn't prepare when he comes to show.

824
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 4: Half the time he doesn't know who's playing, you.

825
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

826
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: And that's a skill set in itself.

827
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 5: So I think for me, I just had to develop

828
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 5: over time my way of preparation and I always have

829
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: basketball on. I like knowing backstories. Scouting report is huge

830
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 5: for me, so I know what your go to move

831
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 5: is and so I'm going to bring it up.

832
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: Kenny Smith told me something really cool.

833
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 5: He said, when you're preparing, make sure that you're preparing

834
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 5: to speak to the grandma, that you're prepared to speak

835
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 5: to the person that is a basketball head, and you're

836
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 5: prepared to speak to the novice. And so if you

837
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 5: can say one thing and be able to speak in

838
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 5: touch to all of those people, then you've done a

839
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 5: good job. And so I've tried to continue to prepare

840
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 5: so that I'm ready for that on television.

841
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: So what do you do next in broadcast? I mean,

842
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: do you have as your goal setting, as your Google calendaring? Like,

843
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: what do you think about when it comes to the

844
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: media world.

845
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 5: Baby Hair Productions is a production company I started. First

846
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 5: passion project was Title nine documentary that we were able

847
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 5: to complete and do with Turner. I think it's growing

848
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 5: that and kind of being behind the camera and being

849
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 5: able to develop stories and storytelling, because I think that's

850
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 5: that's where you really impact people and change, is being

851
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 5: able to tell stories of what's come before, and whether

852
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 5: it's in women in sports, whether it's women in business,

853
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 5: whether it's whatever it is. You know, I would love

854
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: to continue to tell those stories and to be able

855
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: to you know, produce and to do things like that well.

856
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: And it's interesting too when you think about and we

857
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: talk about this all the time, that it feels like

858
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: One of the next big steps forward for women's sports

859
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: is the so called shoulder programming, right, you know, the

860
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 2: stuff that goes you know, you guys are talking about

861
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: for baseball, for the NBA, there is all the pregame

862
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: and post game and the storytelling that goes around it.

863
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: Some of that has been I would argue missing with

864
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: women's sports. So it feels like a big business opportunity.

865
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 5: If I dare say something, I just think it's so

866
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 5: funny because you talk about, you know, like the pre

867
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 5: and postgame shows. I tuned in the week that Russell

868
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 5: Westbrook and Kevin Durant we're gonna play each other, because

869
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: all week all I heard was they didn't like each other.

870
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: It was all these stories.

871
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 5: And it's so funny because we turn women's sports into

872
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 5: these like the Caddy Da Da da and all this stuff,

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Speaker 5: and it's like, no, men's sports is just called something different.

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Speaker 4: It's the same. It's a synonym of whatever it.

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Speaker 2: Is, and.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, it's a synonym of what you're calling women's sports.

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Speaker 5: It's all the storylines behind the story. And so now

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Speaker 5: for women's sports to be able to get pre and

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Speaker 5: postgame shows, I think we're still kind of figuring out

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Speaker 5: what that looks like.

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Speaker 4: And I think we're still a little sensitive of.

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Speaker 5: Actually saying what needs to be said because we're so

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Speaker 5: protective of women's sports. Were sometimes it is hard to

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Speaker 5: watch because that wasn't a good pass, It wasn't a

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Speaker 5: nice move, you know. So I think we're still figuring

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Speaker 5: out our lane to grow the sport but also be

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Speaker 5: honest and critique in a way that the viewers would

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Speaker 5: love to watch.

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Speaker 2: Which is a corollary to the whole argument around women's sports,

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Speaker 2: right that you know, you had a lot of I mean,

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Speaker 2: the w We've seen it INWSL where a lot of

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Speaker 2: people are like, oh, we're just really rooting for these girls,

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Speaker 2: and like we're going to put some money in from

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Speaker 2: the foundation and hope for the best versus private equity

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Speaker 2: coming in a Mark Lasry, A Joe and Clara Si,

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Speaker 2: you know, coming in and being like no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: we're going to make some money here. We're going to

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Speaker 2: get butts in the seats, We're going to sell the

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Speaker 2: media rights for a bunch of money, and this is

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Speaker 2: going to be a real business going for I mean

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Speaker 2: that's your interest.

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Speaker 5: It sounds like the thing that irks me the most

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Speaker 5: is if you go to an NWSL game, it'll say, look,

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Speaker 5: he's supporting the NWSL, But if you go to a

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Speaker 5: Chicago Fire MLS game, it's look, he's front and center

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Speaker 5: watching these guys work, you know. So it's all in

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Speaker 5: the conversation and how we are able to.

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Speaker 4: Figure out what our.

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Speaker 5: Fans want and need. They want to see superstars, you

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Speaker 5: want to see people courtside. But it's also like the

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Speaker 5: verbiage that we're using in social media posts and how

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Speaker 5: we look at women's sports as a business.

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Speaker 4: It's not support.

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Speaker 5: This isn't a charity. I loved when Claire Lusai said,

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to make money. Yeah, this isn't something that

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Speaker 5: I'm coming in and I'm in a blow. I'm just

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Speaker 5: gonna use my money to further the cause. No, this

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Speaker 5: isn't a cause. This is a business opportunity. And now

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Speaker 5: that mindset, I think is shifting. It's shifting in volleyball

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Speaker 5: with the amount of people, I mean, ninety seven thousand

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Speaker 5: people went and watched a volleyball game. Put that in perspective,

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Speaker 5: and I'm just watching, like my daughter played front and

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Speaker 5: center at homecoming. Their volleyball team was out under the

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Speaker 5: lights playing and it was young boys. I mean I

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Speaker 5: could almost cry looking at young boys scream for the team.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, now we're having a generation of men

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Speaker 5: that have grown up with women as role models and

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Speaker 5: in leadership positions, and now from a business mindset, we

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Speaker 5: have to take all of that information the blueprints say

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Speaker 5: and just not be stupid.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, like, let's just not let's just not be stupid.

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Speaker 4: And I think we we could get this.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's not be stupid. That's the.

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Speaker 4: Stupid.

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Speaker 2: Let's wrap all right. Now we're gonna move to rapid fire,

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00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: which hopefully won't be stupid. But we'll see. All right,

938
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Speaker 2: I'll start and the will bounce it back and forth

939
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Speaker 2: and just you know, we'll keep it tight. What's one

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Speaker 2: word to describe your deal making style?

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Speaker 5: Intuitive? Inquisitive? There you go, inquisitive in a deal. What's

942
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Speaker 5: more important your instincts or data instincts? Who's your dream

943
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Speaker 5: deal making partner with them?

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Speaker 3: Mark Lazari, who's your dream co host on the NBA broadcast?

945
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Speaker 4: Allen Iverson.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. What's the best piece of advice

947
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: you've received on deal making or business.

948
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Speaker 4: Listen to all the facts, but then ultimately you make

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Speaker 4: your decision.

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Speaker 3: What's the worst business advice you've ever received?

951
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Speaker 4: Listen to everyone else and do what they want and

952
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 4: do what they want you to do.

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Speaker 2: What's your hype song before you go into a big

954
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Speaker 2: meeting or negotiation?

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Speaker 5: I spray some angel perfume an honor at coach summit

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Speaker 5: and I play What more can I say? By Jay

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Speaker 5: z Okay?

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Speaker 3: You can only watch one sport for the rest of

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Speaker 3: your life. Which one is it?

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Speaker 4: Basketball?

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Speaker 2: What team do you want to see win a championship

962
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Speaker 2: more than any?

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Speaker 4: Chicago Bulls?

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Speaker 2: What's a fun fact about yourself that your teammates would

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Speaker 2: be surprised to hear? Teammates, business associates, whoever?

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Speaker 4: I can juggle?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one. All right, Cannice, this was

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Speaker 2: so fun.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you all, I really do, and I hope

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Speaker 5: that we can sit down at some point chat and

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Speaker 5: do this.

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Speaker 2: Chop it up.

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Speaker 4: Be great?

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