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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Scott Now, your hosts, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. Boy, they got half right.

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Speaker 1: Fifty fifty fifty again, second straight week. That's okay. We'll

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Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studio hosting us again, Mickey Spagnola, Heck Harrison

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Speaker 1: back for a second straight must have something right. It's

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Speaker 1: something right. So you're back in the chair, Everson Walls,

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Speaker 1: And then I'm back in the chair too, So I

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Speaker 1: guess I did. Okay. Kyle Yeoman's here filling in for

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Speaker 1: Bill Jones and guys. Uh, it was a fun weekend.

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Speaker 1: I know, Mickey, you were down in New Orleans? How

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Speaker 1: was that? New Orleans was great? Anytime you go to

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Speaker 1: have some good food, down there. I had great food, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a few drinks, just a few. Wow, some great entertainment

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Speaker 1: in some of the little local places I know about.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was. It was quite a quite a

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Speaker 1: three days yet hit up some of the famous Mickey

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Speaker 1: Spagnolla watering holes. That's right. Yeah, absolutely the biggest spot,

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Speaker 1: the biggest dive bars you've ever seen in you know,

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Speaker 1: best you've ever had, no matter where you eat them.

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Speaker 1: And you guys were there at the right time with

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Speaker 1: Marty Graw getting ready to start, so unfortunately it started

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Speaker 1: up about ten times. Really, Okay, I don't even don't

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Speaker 1: everywhere on fever. Everything is just backed up. Everybody's cruising,

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Speaker 1: everybody wants to be seen. You know, it's just ridiculous, man,

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Speaker 1: But but it's fine. I mean, that's what you like about.

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Speaker 1: So come on, you gotta show them to me. You

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Speaker 1: gotta show him to me. Seven years old? About that?

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, already off socialized. Took us a total of

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Speaker 1: four and a half minutes to get off the rails

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Speaker 1: this week everything. What did you do this weekend? I

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Speaker 1: watched the All Star Game. I was about to say,

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Speaker 1: But now, on a side note, it was my anniversary,

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Speaker 1: So okay, yeah you've been. I have to mention that

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Speaker 1: my wife told me thirty six years. Thirty six years.

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Speaker 1: But your wife let you know that, she let me

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Speaker 1: thank you brother, that's appreciate that. And of course, kind

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Speaker 1: of going back to the NBA All Star Game. Of

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Speaker 1: bring the NBA All Star Game into the conversation just

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Speaker 1: and it was. It was exactly that. It was fun.

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Speaker 1: it's not going to be anything that revealing. No, that

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Speaker 1: I want to do a peak at the NFC East offseason,

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Speaker 1: NFC East. I want to assess what the Cowboys have

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Speaker 1: of I want to get away let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's get away from Dak Prescott talk. It's been

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Speaker 1: another week of kind of stagnant talk between the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: and then the armchair GM saying what should the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: do in terms of Dak Prescott, resign him, sign them

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Speaker 1: to a long term deal, tag him, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: There's been so many different talks. Really, there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a younger guy. And so of course

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy named the ninth head coach and Cowboys history

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Speaker 1: a whole new coaching staff ahead of us. There's been

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Speaker 1: little bit, it's time to get to work. For all

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Speaker 1: of the coaching staff, including Mike McCarthy, what are the

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Speaker 1: for first year Dallas head coaches. Oh, he's not a

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Speaker 1: first year coach in Dallas, though, it's win the super

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Speaker 1: last look at what happened over the last three years. Okay, right,

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Speaker 1: can you replicate that? Yeah? Well you better yeah, because

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Speaker 1: you got to go forward, right, So I thirteen and three,

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Speaker 1: maybe he welcomes it, but that's Mike McCarthy's bar. He's

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and Gruten was that piece that took

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Speaker 1: What's not right above the subway? Well, I bet you

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Speaker 1: don't even notice it after that's my neighbor ain't get

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Speaker 1: GWS one score. September one, nineteen. Back to Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: roaring on here in the SWBC Mortgage studios. Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are on another cloudy semi chili Tuesday, after a beautiful

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Speaker 1: weekend here in Dallas for it work. It was a

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Speaker 1: nice week. He was awesome. Man was perfect, outstanding. I

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Speaker 1: went to a baseball game. Oh you weren't here were

437
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Speaker 1: a season? Yeah? I was back back. We came back

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Speaker 1: on Friday, Friday afternoon. Oh you really came back too.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, there were a couple of people on Friday.

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Speaker 1: That's what you get, Mickey does. There was There was

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Speaker 1: at least a couple of people in a group of

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Speaker 1: I don't know, we were about fifty that figured out, Oh,

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna make those reservations, make mine coming back

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and I'll pay for my hotel girl the

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Speaker 1: other two days. There you go. It's like, yeah, what

446
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Speaker 1: did nice think? Of that because you're too cheat. Yeah

447
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: that makes sense, but uh yeah, fun week in New Orleans.

448
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Speaker 1: But it was a great weekend here. Fort Worth absolutely

449
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Speaker 1: wanted to kind of continue a little bit of our conversation.

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Speaker 1: We just addressed the Cowboys and some of the expectations

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Speaker 1: for coaching staff, for the new coaching staff rather in

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and company. But there's a lot of question

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Speaker 1: marks in this division. I mean, there's two teams and

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Speaker 1: one either four or less games, the Giants and the

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Speaker 1: Redskins four and twelve, three and thirteen for Washington, and

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Speaker 1: then you had the Eagles at nine and seven. It

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Speaker 1: was just by far one of the interesting divisions in

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Speaker 1: terms of lack of wins is probably the best way,

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Speaker 1: the nicest way to put it, lack of wins for

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Speaker 1: a division winner this year, nine and seven and the Eagles,

461
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Speaker 1: but lots of offseason questions for these teams as well.

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Speaker 1: Kind of wanted to dissect these one by one, and

463
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Speaker 1: we'll start with the defending champion Eagles as they looked

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Speaker 1: to become the first repeat NFC East champion in how

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Speaker 1: long twenty years? Was in two thousand and four? Four okay,

466
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Speaker 1: so sixteen years it's been a while since they were

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Speaker 1: the last ones to do it. They won it four

468
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Speaker 1: years in a row. Okay, and now you look at

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Speaker 1: coming back and with all the injuries that they had,

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Speaker 1: what do you expect out of the Eagles and out

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Speaker 1: of Philadelphia coming up this season? I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. I mean at this point, I mean,

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Speaker 1: who are they? We don't know who they are. We

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Speaker 1: haven't even seen free agency or a draft yet. So

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Speaker 1: I thought they were always highly beatable, like the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: did the first time around. They didn't go out there

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Speaker 1: and only score nine points, you know, that was that

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Speaker 1: was another unforgivable happening during this season, to score nine

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Speaker 1: points in the game that was gonna win the NFC

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Speaker 1: East basically, So, yeah, are they great? They scored seventeen

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Speaker 1: points against the Cowboys. What was it the first time?

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Speaker 1: Ten ten to ten? So and they scored to that

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Speaker 1: home Yeah, yeah, seventeen at home. It was a beatable team,

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Speaker 1: you know, shame on the Cowboys. That's true. That's the

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Speaker 1: way I looked at it. So I don't they're beatable.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that. You know, I think people are

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Speaker 1: gonna be hard pressed to pick a favor to win

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Speaker 1: the NFC East. And that's that's not a good thing, right,

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Speaker 1: that's that's just because of so much more calamity. And

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Speaker 1: then you look at I have to give Peterson some

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Speaker 1: credit because they could have folded this thing up. Sure

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Speaker 1: so long. There were a couple of games when they

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Speaker 1: were coming down the stretch that they won, you know,

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Speaker 1: between he and Carson Wentz, that running game of doing

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Speaker 1: so well man, it was I had to give him

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Speaker 1: a lot of credit because what they were doing when

497
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Speaker 1: they were grinding, we were losing, and what they were

498
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: doing is what we should have been doing as Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: They figured out a way to win games that trail.

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Speaker 1: They had to come from behind against the Redskins. They

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Speaker 1: changed into a playoff team down that stretch. They their

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Speaker 1: philosophy was, we're gonna play good defense, We're gonna brun

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Speaker 1: the ball. That's playoff defense. Let's playoff basket of football.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, we couldn't do that. And you look

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Speaker 1: at the NFC East, Well, three coaches fired this year,

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Speaker 1: three out of four, yes, right, yep, three out of four.

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson is the only one that returns. Well, I

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Speaker 1: can say this now's the Old States. Yeah, I can

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Speaker 1: say this unequivocally. I hate the Eagles, And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if this is politically correct to say, yeah, but

511
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Speaker 1: I hate them and the fact that they beat us

512
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Speaker 1: in a months win game just does not sit right

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Speaker 1: with me, especially with all the injuries that they had

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver and you know the guys talking about

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Speaker 1: how Carson Wentz was playing with the Motley Cruve guys

516
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Speaker 1: that you know off the street. This one guy was

517
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Speaker 1: backing groceries but Greg Warred Houston products. Yeah, but but still,

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Speaker 1: I mean with al Sean Jeffrey, Deshaun Jackson being out,

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Speaker 1: you just looked in their running game, you know, they

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Speaker 1: again winning ugly. They were winning games and it's not

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Speaker 1: like they were doing a lot they were weren't putting

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Speaker 1: up a lot of stats. They were relying on their

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Speaker 1: defense with Fletcher clocks and random you know they did

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Speaker 1: and that's and that was Malcolm Jenkins, that was the

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Speaker 1: centerpiece of that team that again getting that identify that

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Speaker 1: identity as a team. They ran everything through their defense

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Speaker 1: and it man, it helped them in the end come

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Speaker 1: down the stretch, win the division they wanted ugly, But

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Speaker 1: for them. I think that they're going to be looking

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Speaker 1: at getting a running back because of the guys that

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Speaker 1: they have. I believe in the last four games of

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Speaker 1: the season, they bought in Elijah hol of Film the

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Speaker 1: Great Champion. Yeah his son is they running back in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. But yeah, I mean so also

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Speaker 1: getting getting in a top tier receiver. I think on

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Speaker 1: defense they're just getting healthy. Even though they were a

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Speaker 1: little banged up, they played some really good defense. But

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Speaker 1: running back wide receiver is the place that I believe

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Speaker 1: that the Eagles would be looking at improving the the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver core is Deshan coming back. He's a little

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Speaker 1: old now, yeah, but he came. He was on injured reserve.

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Speaker 1: Ye this year they got off and they were saying

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Speaker 1: that it was this is gonna be the jeffres and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be that show. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: that show all year long. Then he's the next game

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Speaker 1: he's hurt. Yeah, so turned around and he was on IR.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he's talking all that trash. Now, he wasn't the

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Speaker 1: only one on IR. You look at really the injuries

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Speaker 1: that they had to deal with, and I think this

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Speaker 1: goes along with what Mickey was having to say of

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Speaker 1: who we don't know what they're going I was heading too,

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Speaker 1: because when those guys come back, you know what's what's

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Speaker 1: it gonna be like. I mean, you can have Alston,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey darren Sproles, you got Deshaun Jackson like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: and then on the defensive side, Ronald Darby was on

556
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Speaker 1: ir Uh Hassan Ridgeways, all these almost starter level of backups.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about the free agents for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: All these guys were on I R in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the season, didn't do anything, and they still want

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Speaker 1: down the stretch and he still did And that's that's

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Speaker 1: why I don't know what to expect from them. And

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Speaker 1: will Wentz stay healthy? That was the first season he

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Speaker 1: stayed at health first, right, Yeah, And they had four

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Speaker 1: six Pro Bowlers, not including Wins just because Wins, they

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Speaker 1: had six Pro Bowls, six Pro Bowlers. Now, of course,

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Speaker 1: Wins did get hurt at the end of the season

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Speaker 1: as well. Josh McCown had the step end for a

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Speaker 1: split second. So even in the season when Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: was healthy for the majority of it, there was still

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Speaker 1: kind of those questions on whether or not he was

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Speaker 1: going to be able to. Yet they still make it

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Speaker 1: all the way down the stretch. And that's what you

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Speaker 1: can throw stats out of the windows. Guys. Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: just gotta come with how much heart do you have? Okay?

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Speaker 1: How much of a team is this? You know, we

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Speaker 1: can fuss all we want about. Okay, we to have

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00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: blown third downs, they don't get into six, but just

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Speaker 1: win the game and then well we'll worry about that later.

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Speaker 1: They were able to put things off that they weren't

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Speaker 1: good at and still concentrate on the task at hand,

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Speaker 1: and that was winning the ball game, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I think it goes back to and I mentioned it

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Speaker 1: last week when we were talking about the Cowboys offense

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Speaker 1: and what Kellen Moore's assessment was of what happened, And

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Speaker 1: it's like, you gotta make plays at key times. You

586
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: third down? Can I convert that third down? Or a

587
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: red zone? Can I score this touchdown and set a

588
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: kick a field goal? And boy did they? And right?

589
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys problem was with all those yards they gained,

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00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: it didn't translate into points because you got to make

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Speaker 1: plays at key times. And the Cowboys that didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: And Mickey like, guys, like Dallas Goddard and Zach Ernst

593
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: in the game versus the Cowboys, they just ripped us apart.

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00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean just just hiding out in those bubbles and

595
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: sitting hobbling, will hobbling. And who were they gonna throw

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Speaker 1: the ball to? Right? They gonna put a big neon

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00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: sign up there, right, the two tight ends them, Yes,

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00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: can you cover them? And the Cowboys couldn't, couldn't do it,

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00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: couldn't even We didn't even have a defense drawn up

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Speaker 1: to stop them. And even when they beat the Giants

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Speaker 1: and they beat them twice, right and then Washington once.

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Speaker 1: Is that the way it worked? And it came down

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Speaker 1: to key plays at the end. Who did you think

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00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: they were going to throw the ball to? You know

605
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: every time? And they didn't cover them? Nope, didn't quite open.

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Speaker 1: They should have had three people around each tight end't

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Speaker 1: even I wouldn't even I put a linebacker on Greg

608
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Speaker 1: Ward if I had to, because west half. But they

609
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Speaker 1: two got and the the running back coming out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield, I don't say what was his name again

611
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: from Penn State, the running back that was just dicing

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Speaker 1: them up for the Eagles this year. Oh, that's a

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00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: good question Miles Sanders of Boston Scott. It was Boston Scott.

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Speaker 1: See those guys, they came through. They came through in

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Speaker 1: a difficult situation because I believe one of the starters

616
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Speaker 1: got hurt down the stretch and they came in with

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Speaker 1: the backup. But one of the things I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask you about, Mickey, as far as the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on offense, I think they were the worst in the

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Speaker 1: NFL as far as UH was starting positions on offense,

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Speaker 1: they were, you know, because the defense didn't help out right,

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Speaker 1: defense didn't help. He's drive started, you know, the worst

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Speaker 1: starting so having having to go the length of the

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Speaker 1: field and have those quality plays, asking Kellen Moore to

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Speaker 1: I mean literally script this thing out all the way

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Speaker 1: from the fifteen yards away and then and when the

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00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: offense sputter and they had their problems on their woes

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Speaker 1: and let's just say, when they were relying on Brett

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Speaker 1: Maher to kick a fifty five yard field goal, he

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Speaker 1: misses a fifty five yard and then the defense on

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Speaker 1: the flip side of that, they were starting in the

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Speaker 1: worst field position as well, because most offenses are starting

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Speaker 1: at the thirty five forty yard line. Can't remember the place,

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Speaker 1: but there was at some point and it was the

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Speaker 1: second half of the season that they had only started

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Speaker 1: two possessions on the opponent's side of the fifty two.

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Speaker 1: That's true, and so yeah, maybe that's why they had

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Speaker 1: so many yards because they had to go eighty and ninety.

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Speaker 1: You think about this. I always say, you use up

640
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Speaker 1: your playbook on one drive, and you were saying you

641
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: have to script out and it's not like we're making

642
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: big plays doing those drives, and everything is just methodical.

643
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: It's almost like we go three downs every time, we

644
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: have to do the third down. Every time we have

645
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: to make the third down in the process of going

646
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: all the way down the field. No big plays that

647
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: were able to offset you know, just how methodical we

648
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: were and going down the field. And to me, you

649
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: can't sustain that all year long because now you become predictable. Yeah,

650
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: there are only so many plays in the playbook, right,

651
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you can only use so many. After you're

652
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: gonna repeat, You're gonna repeat, You're gonna repeat, and if

653
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: you go one drive, you might go seventy five yards. Okay,

654
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: that defense says that was good drive. Okay, we saw

655
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: some things. Then the pattern is there. Yeah, and so

656
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: now you you have to continue to do that for

657
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: four quarters with no help defensively. So that's how you

658
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: use up your playbook. Because I use that term, I'm

659
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: want to clarify that's what that means. After a while,

660
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: the defense is like, Okay, they've shown the pattern on

661
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: everything seen before. They shown the same pattern on thirty four.

662
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: You know, here we are thirty four again, thirty four again,

663
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: thirty eight again. You know, we're always you know, grinding

664
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Speaker 1: it out, and that's that's not successful when your defense

665
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: is not making place. Did you think that the play

666
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: calling got predictable at any point in the season. It

667
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: had to be. It had to because you're using every play.

668
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: You're not you're not killing them with big plays, right,

669
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you get a big play, then that

670
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: that the gates the other forty yards that you wy

671
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: have had to use use your playbook. Now we just

672
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: use forty yards in one play. Now we can use

673
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: we can save all of those plays we didn't use

674
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: for a more critical time in the game. And I

675
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: think that's what was super frustrating for Cowboys fans this

676
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: season is the fact that you saw a team like

677
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: the Eagles, with depleted personnel, with the injuries that they

678
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: dealt with, go out and have success. And you said, hey,

679
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: why can't we do that? Because they did plays at

680
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: key time exactly and you you know you mentioned predictable.

681
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: They scored, They totaled more yards than any team in

682
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: Cowboy history in history. Crazy Dak Prescott camed up two

683
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: yards short of throwing for more yards than any quarterback

684
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: in Cowboy history. And two of them are in the

685
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. So that they have problems moving the football,

686
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: they had problems scoring, yeah, or making a play at

687
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: a key time, or kicking a field goal at a

688
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: key time. You couldn't go through the season where you're

689
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: your kicker was what one of one of the between

690
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: those are key three threes. That that's the layups that

691
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: you need. That's free throws. That's the free throws that

692
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: you gotta make right there now, Mickey, Mickey, you're the

693
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: you're the football almanac here, So I gotta say this

694
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: as well. Now, when you have a quarterback that throws

695
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: for five thousand yards typically, I guess besides guys like

696
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: Dan Marino that had you know, success throwing for those

697
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of yards. Those always those are all those numbers

698
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: are always indicative of losing teams or eight teams if

699
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: you look over the course of the history of the

700
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Speaker 1: NFL with guy's having those kind of yards, because I

701
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: don't even Pat Mahome didn't throw for forty nine hundred

702
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: yards this year in his offense, so oh, maybe he's

703
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: going to the stat sheet somewhere. I mean, even if

704
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: you look at it once again, you've got to have

705
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: supports on the other side. Yeah, and you can you

706
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: can talk about we're talking about that. Let's not forget

707
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: about Zeke. Zeke had over a thousand, so that you

708
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: can add that to our offensive success if you want

709
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: to call it. But when it came down to it,

710
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: you've used up all of those plays. You're right back

711
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: in the red zone again because you got to be

712
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: damn that, because your defense didn't stop anybody, so offensively,

713
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: you're still behind the eight ball. Now we need this

714
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: red zone. Well, god, we're back. We've been down here

715
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: five times. You know, we've been down in five times.

716
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: We've been ridzone five times. He had a quarterback that

717
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: had a career year. You had a running back that

718
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: ran for a thousand once again, for whatever that's worth.

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Speaker 1: You had the first time since two thousand and six

720
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: two receivers with a thousand yards receiving. Wow. And you

721
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: didn't score enough points in eight games too, and we

722
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: had fifty five at least fifty five. Yeah and so yeah,

723
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Speaker 1: So offensively, they just didn't make plays at the key

724
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: times they moved the football. It just wasn't good enough

725
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: consistently enough. Um. So yeah, that's why I just said,

726
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: let's put a big circle around that defense and let's see.

727
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's gotten big. You just have to change

728
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: the culture around here. We know what we have offensive league.

729
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: You know, when when Christi Shad came in two years ago,

730
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: that was fun to watch seeing that defense go around

731
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: making plays they would they were guys making it ups

732
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: and stripped sacks and Jayla Smith picking up fumbles and

733
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: going for touchdown. You know, you don't have to be

734
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: tops in the field in any of those defensive categories.

735
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: You just gotta make the plays when the counts. And

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00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: that's what they did two years ago when we show

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738
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739
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740
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,400
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741
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Speaker 1: I was saying, the tight end position, no confidence, no

742
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743
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Speaker 1: kind of into the last segment alluding to this a

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00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,720
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00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: at a professional level yet again. But that brings me

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Speaker 1: And even with a new coaching staff coming in Mike McCarthy,

819
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: a guy who has been known to use twelve personnel

820
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: quite a bit in the past, what do the Cowboys

821
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: actually have at tight end. Is this something that could

822
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: be an issue going into twenty twenty In further well,

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00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: I thought heck I brought it up very well, almost

824
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: alluded to it doing the break and you know, having that,

825
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Speaker 1: not having that tight end that you really want in

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Speaker 1: the red zone. I think that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: that we did not do well when it came to

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Speaker 1: scoring and finishing our drives. When it came to third downs.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure we probably did very well decent

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Speaker 1: in third downs, but when it came down the stretch,

831
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: our third down efficiency was down when we needed those plays,

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Speaker 1: and you could see on the defense SIF side how

833
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: we were being defeated by the running back and by

834
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: the tight end position, especially late in the season. Second

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Speaker 1: half of the season was when it came to either

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Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving game or any of the teams that we

837
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Speaker 1: played on the AFL. On the AFC side, those teams

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00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: heavily regarded on their tight ends. It's really what you're

839
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Speaker 1: going to now in the NFL. That's your save my

840
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: ass position, okay, And that needed a lot of that

841
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: last year in key positions, and he did not get it.

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00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: For some reason. We just didn't target Blake Jawing as

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00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: much as we should have. I mean, this guy's of

844
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Speaker 1: an athletic marvel to me, you know, folks, someone who

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Speaker 1: could have the yack of a better yact than probably

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Speaker 1: any tight end in the league. And that's we're talking

847
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: about some some studs at tight end all throughout the NFL.

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00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: And for some reason we you know, let's just remember

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Speaker 1: the joke that I believe that that's got said about

850
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: Whitten years ago. This is years ago. Yeah, he's only

851
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: tight end with a negative yak. Yeah, come on, gotta

852
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: think about that, guys. Yeah, I mean, I love you know,

853
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: we love Witten man and everything he's done for this team.

854
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: This guy he supported me as a person and my foundation.

855
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: But I think we need to start looking forward to

856
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: the guys that can get the ball down the field

857
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: from the tight end position. And that's a good question

858
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: of what is Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz. So those

859
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: are the two guys that are on your roster at

860
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: the moment, both extremely athletic. Blake Jarwin had thirty nine

861
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: percent of offensive snaps this year, thirty one receptions, three

862
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five yards, almost twelve yards per catch,

863
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: and he had three touchdowns compared to four for Jason

864
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: Witten and his seventy five percent of offensive snaps. So

865
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: what do we have in Blake Jarwin? Is this a

866
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: guy who can step in and be a starter. My

867
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: only reserve is if he's that ready to be a starter,

868
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: why did he not see the field a quarter percent

869
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: of the time last year? I would think they can

870
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: trust them enough. Now they used them a lot of too,

871
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: tight end and they used them a lot on third down.

872
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: Look the tight ends again, I can give you quantity.

873
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: Now we can discuss the quality. Right, the tight ends

874
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: produced ninety five catches for nine hundred yards seven touchdowns.

875
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: So from a quality quantity stamp point, ninety five catches

876
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: from your tight ends pretty darn good. Nine hundred almost

877
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: a thousand yards season, right, Yeah, got seven touchdowns though,

878
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: so the catches per touchdown probably not what you want.

879
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: And you didn't make enough impact plays down the field. Yeah,

880
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: if they moved the chains then that's cool too. Yeah. Right,

881
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: So now what you can condult and shows be your

882
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: every down tight end and I haven't seen enough of it.

883
00:48:54,080 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: You haven't. But that's the question, that's the bigger question

884
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: with our tight ends, can they run block? I mean

885
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: catching yards out to catch, that's awesome, But we have

886
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: one of the world's best running backs here that we're

887
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: paying to be the world's best best running back in

888
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: the tight end position. If McCarthy's gonna play that twelve personnel,

889
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to be able to block. And

890
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: I think that is what the difference is. Yeah, if

891
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: you say, that's exactly, those are the things when you

892
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: look at the other teams are like Kittle at San Francisco.

893
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: This guy is an animal blocker. I mean he's blocking

894
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: guys to the gatoray buckets, and that's what you want.

895
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: But if you are a mediocre in our system, it

896
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: doesn't work because we can't be susceptible on the edge

897
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: because we don't have a tight end that can block.

898
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: And so when you look around the NFL or just

899
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: look at just going back to what the Cowboys mantra

900
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: has been, we sign our own guys. So if we

901
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: have him here in the house, we're gonna try and

902
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: take care of him. He's showing those flashes and it

903
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: sounds like to me everyone regards Jarwin as a guy

904
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: that may have had his growth a little stunted last

905
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: year by Witton coming back, but that's for a reason.

906
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: If he could block, then obviously he would. You wouldn't

907
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. And so looking at free

908
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: agency or just looking at the guys that are out there,

909
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: does the Cowboy, will the Cowboys make a trade? Will

910
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: we go into the draft looking at tight ends? Because

911
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: again O. J. Howard is a guy that I think

912
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: that everyone over the years we've been talking. But will

913
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: we pay that kind of dollar for a tight end

914
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: like an Eric Ebrun? Will we bring in a guy

915
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: that has that those type of salary demands it in

916
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: or will we look, you know, elsewhere to get a

917
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: tight end that can make an impact, or we just stay,

918
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: say the course with a guy that still has those

919
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: question marks looming when we know what he has to

920
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: do in the running game. Well, you got to have priorities,

921
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: right of course. Okay, what's your free agent priority? Is

922
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: a line Well, no, it's your quarterback? Well signing, yes, okay,

923
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: the free agent? And then what's your next priority? Your

924
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver, what's your next priority? Maybe that third wide receiver?

925
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: What's your next priority might like MALIEK. Collins back. Yeah, right, uh,

926
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: and then after Quinn? And then where does Robert Quinn

927
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: fit in? You want him back? Because all this stuff's

928
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: gonna cost. So you've got to have a list of

929
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: priorities and is the tight end? How high is the

930
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: tight end in that priority list? And how much are

931
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: you going to spend for something that the other team

932
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: didn't want? So remember that there's a reason guys are

933
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: in free agency. Somebody didn't want him. Austin Hooper from

934
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: Atlanta free agent this year, market value around ten million.

935
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: Then you've got Eric Ebron. We talked about him a

936
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Seven seven point four million is

937
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: his right now? Looking forward to Bron? Yeah, yeah, what

938
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: he's not a free now he's a free agent? Yeah yeah,

939
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: oh not yet. Yes, he's got a month. He's got

940
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, So teams can a month. Yeah,

941
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: so teams can resign these guys just because they're out there. Now.

942
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: That's like saying Dak Prescott's the number one quarter back

943
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: in free agents, but also he's not going to be

944
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: a free agent. Well, so you can't start looking at

945
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: those things if the coach didn't bring back Yeah, I

946
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: mean he's they just got to work on a contract

947
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: or he's gonna get transition tagged or something. So again

948
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: it you know, you got a lot of wants. You

949
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: need another linebacker because if Sean Lee is not here,

950
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: you need another linebacker, right, And then what are you

951
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: gonna do at cornerback? Yeah? And what are you gonna

952
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: do at safety? Because you can't draft everybody and say, okay,

953
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: these guys. I drafted this guy in the fourth round.

954
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: He's my starter. No, absolutely not. But but also saying,

955
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, that guy's a free agent for a reason.

956
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, contractually, guys end up being free agents and

957
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 1: have an opportunity, like you said, some time, if they're

958
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: good enough, I'll sign them. But like you said with

959
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, you said, give him an opportunity to look

960
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: at what's going on in the free market. You said, hey,

961
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: give him an opportunity. And so if another team coveraged

962
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: that and they want to make him the highest paid

963
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: cornerback and Patrick Peterson and let him have him, well

964
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: that's but that's but saying he's a free agent, but

965
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: do that. Well, he is a free agent for a

966
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: reason because if you didn't resign him, then you thought

967
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: his value wasn't worth what it was going to cost.

968
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: The sign was worth to see if he's if it's

969
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: the values there they like you said, the Cowboys just

970
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: might want to see what other teams think. Yeah, let

971
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: them find out what your market value is. Well, and

972
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: just because you let a guy walk doesn't mean you

973
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: don't like think about this. You've got other guys telling

974
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: me team tell me a star player that the Cowboys

975
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: had heading in the free agency that they didn't resign

976
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: and lost him, and said, okay, Anthony Hitchins, I'll give

977
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: you that one, but a star star player. Take Anthony

978
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: hitch I was just about to say, Anthony really all

979
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: right because in the priority. In the priority you had

980
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: two starting lifebackers and Sean Lee. So yeah, but that

981
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: name one name a probe bowler that the Cowboys lost

982
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: because they didn't sign them in free to stay out

983
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: of free agency. Not many. I have to go back

984
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: to Ken Norton junior, and that was the first year

985
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: of free agency and they didn't think that they should

986
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: sign a guy with a big signing bonus. But other

987
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: than that, they resigned. Yeah, they resigned their own guys.

988
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: But Micky, let me ask you this when it comes

989
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: down to those those teams in the nineties, right when

990
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: you Michael Irvin, Emmett Smith and Troy Aikman, those guys

991
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: had to work out contracts to be able to keep

992
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: guys like Nate Newton on the roster and with oh oh,

993
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Troy Aikman didn't leave money

994
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: on the table. Michael Irvin held out an entire training

995
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: camp if you remember, and didn't sign to the Thursday

996
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: before the season opener looking for more money. But if

997
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: he had done, like a lot of these guys are

998
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: chesting the chesting the market, being able to go out

999
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: and get bigger contracts, they still had those things, and

1000
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: then their ability well Mike never had a chance to

1001
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: get into free agency. They seen them. The point that

1002
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying is being able to get those contracts structure

1003
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: that fit your team, to be able to bring back

1004
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: a Byron Jones. Because again, if we the priority, if

1005
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: the priority is signing Dak, if Dak's taking up the

1006
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: lion chair, if we look at the contracts that we have,

1007
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: if a third of those are going to other guys,

1008
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: how are we going to sign any of these other guys?

1009
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: How are you going to go out in free agency

1010
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: and sign another guy for that type of money. Well,

1011
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: then again that's answering the question. We're not going to

1012
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: be able to and we're not going to be able

1013
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: to sign our own guys either, and so we're not

1014
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: going to have much success. We'll be right back at

1015
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: eight and eight again because we won't be able to

1016
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: get the quality for the dollars that we're paying. They

1017
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: didn't lose quality from twenty sixteen, did they. We had

1018
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that were three, thirteen and three,

1019
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: but we had a bunch of guys that were on

1020
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: rookie contracts as well. Well, I understand, but again, you're

1021
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna you can't resign everybody, right, But when you

1022
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: can't resign everybody, that means you don't have enough money

1023
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: to go out there and sign somebody else's How are

1024
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: you going to size you have, really prioritize them, what's

1025
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: important to your right exactly, and then you look and

1026
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 1: see and fill in and then hope you draft, Well,

1027
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: two guys can step up and fill in holes. If

1028
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: you can't sign your how are you going to find

1029
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: to sign somebody else? So if we stay the course,

1030
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: if we stay the course with the guys saying you're

1031
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: gonna stay the course, but you got a salary cap, right,

1032
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: and every as well as every team has a salary cap.

1033
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: And either we're drafting well or we're getting free agency.

1034
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: Either way, we have to get someone in here that's

1035
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: gonna shore up that position. If Jason again, let's say

1036
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: the trains left the station on that one, right, we're

1037
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna have Dalton shows Jarwin. We're gonna have to bring

1038
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: another guy into that room. Either we get him through

1039
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: the draft, that we get him through free agency. We're

1040
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: gonna have to sign them. If it's not one of

1041
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: these top ten guys for bookoo dollars, who are we

1042
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna go to? Who is going to fit into the

1043
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: system that we have, because someone's gonna have to help

1044
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: this team out at the time. In position, you absolutely

1045
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: a try and figure out probity wise, who's the free

1046
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: agent sign he's gonna be. And then also how do

1047
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: we draft. I wouldn't mind drafting a tight end, right,

1048
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: they have some amazing coming out and they're gonna have

1049
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: to I'm not as I'm not as high on the

1050
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: tight end as you Mightn't you know it was a

1051
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 1: good but I think you can get a round tight

1052
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: ends out there who can block very well, probably block

1053
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: better than tight ends we have right now. May not

1054
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: be as fluid as jaw And is at this point

1055
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: in this career, but I would take a chance on

1056
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: drafting a tight end out of college and without bringing back.

1057
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to sit there and look at

1058
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: the top shelf, right, Yeah, Well, a lot of us

1059
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: can't go to the tequila barn order top shelf all

1060
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Speaker 1: the time. Right, Come on, when somebody else's parts right,

1061
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: sometimes that second or third shelfs got to work, can

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00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: you gotta That's when you got to rely on your

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Speaker 1: scouting department, right, and your pro scouting department say, Okay,

1064
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: this team didn't want to sign this, but you know what,

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00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: I think he's pretty good. Maybe I can bring this

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Speaker 1: guy on. Sometimes you can't just look at the top

1067
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: three guys and say, I gotta have that at corner.

1068
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: I gotta have that at tight end, I gotta have

1069
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: that at defensive tackle. I gotta have that at my

1070
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: third wide receiver spot. I gotta have that at the

1071
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 1: other defensive end spot. Just remember in twenty eighteen when

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00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: Jason Witten was retired and in the booth we were

1073
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: we had guys like Noah Brown, you know, auditioning at

1074
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: the tight end position, and it didn't service it. I

1075
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: mean we got he wasn't going to be a tight end.

1076
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: Well he was, he was still a hybrid. We didn't

1077
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,479
Speaker 1: have him a receiver, wasn't gonna block. Yeah, that whole

1078
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 1: thing with Noel Brown. You know what, if I've got

1079
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: a wide receiver and the best thing I can say

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00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: about him he's blocks, Well, I got a problem that

1081
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Speaker 1: would always say about Norah Brown. That's what I'm sorry,

1082
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: he blocks. That's no, that's the right one. That's the

1083
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: right one. Because we gotta put emphasis now all guys

1084
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: that we know that when we get down like Norah

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00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: Brown against I was thinking about the when we played

1086
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: in the Seattle nor Brown. We go down in the

1087
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: goal line and Nora Brown is out there with jar

1088
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: One and Schultz in the twelve personnel situation. I mean,

1089
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: we're not fooling anybody in that We're not gonna go

1090
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: to Nora Brown another Neon sign. Come yea. So we

1091
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: got if we're gonna get if we're gonna have any

1092
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: Swiss army to our tight ends. We gotta bring in

1093
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: a guy that can do both. And it looks like

1094
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: right now the guys that we have on the on

1095
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: the roster aren't able to do that well. And going

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00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: back to Whateverson said, you might not mind taking a

1097
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: tight end in the draft. We took one two years

1098
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: ago in twenty eighteen and the fourth rounde His name

1099
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: was Dalton Shoals. And then going back to what Mickey said,

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Speaker 1: just because you can't look at the top shell, if

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01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You can't look at the top shelf

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Speaker 1: of the tequila or whatever you're you're drinking, but those

1103
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: middle shelves, if you're not careful, it's going to give

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Speaker 1: you a pretty bad headache the next month's right, Absolutely,

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01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: I know who have some issues. You know, you know who.

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01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I just gave him a headache too. As a matter

1107
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: of fact, Rob just turned a show off. He wouldn't

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01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: get so mad at me. I know Brown, I know

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01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: we would like to sincerely apologize to Rob Philops point

1110
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: of nowhere Brown, but that's gonna do it for Top

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01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: just told his wife I've taken care of the baby off.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. For Everson Walls for

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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison for Mickey's Bango. I'm Kyle Yeoman. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening. We'll see you next week. Hey. This has

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