Speaker 1: We're gonna get started with Democratic strategist James Carville, who
Speaker 1: felt the need to call me out on his Politican
Speaker 1: podcast earlier this week. The Raging Cajun, as he is
Speaker 1: affectionately known, is apparently upset with my recent political commentary
Speaker 1: where I have been critical of the state of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: To refresh our memory, here's part of what I had
Speaker 2: to say earlier that got him all up in a tizzy.
Speaker 2: Check it out.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm in the news. I'm not in the
Speaker 1: news because I'm here. I'm in the news because the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party is here. Dann it lower than that down
Speaker 1: at the bottle. They suck right now, horrible because they
Speaker 1: don't have a voice. Where the hell of the voice?
Speaker 1: Everybody want to sit up there.
Speaker 2: Talking about I mean, I need vice, we need, but
Speaker 2: we don't need a voice. We don't need a voice. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what somebody got to send a message?
Speaker 1: How the hell can somebody receive a message if there's
Speaker 1: no messenger? In response to what you just say, saw
Speaker 1: me saying. That's when Carville evidently lost it, and he
Speaker 1: went on his politic on podcast and had this personal
Speaker 1: message to give.
Speaker 2: To me, even though it was seen by everybody. Take
Speaker 2: a look.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know I am a big stephen A Smith fan.
Speaker 3: I remember I saw him some years ago on TV.
Speaker 3: When it comes to politics, he don't know his ask
Speaker 3: from a hole in the ground. He's on that running
Speaker 3: his goddamn mouth about how he may have to run
Speaker 3: as a Democrat because there's nothing left to the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party has no talent. Stephen are you me? I mean,
Speaker 3: you say you're friends with Wes Moore and you say
Speaker 3: you're friends with Jos Shapiro. I'm friends with both of them.
Speaker 3: I think they're really extraordinary talented people. I got news
Speaker 3: for you, dude. That's six or seven other people in
Speaker 3: a Democratic Party that are just that talented. So before
Speaker 3: you start running your mouth off about politics, the topic
Speaker 3: of what you really don't know anything about, you ought
Speaker 3: to sit back and think about it and call some
Speaker 3: people and run it by it. So stephen A, keep
Speaker 3: up your on sports. I enjoy it, I like it,
Speaker 3: but don't make a fool of yourself anymore and talking
Speaker 3: about politics.
Speaker 1: What I find interesting about all of this is that
Speaker 1: a lot of what James Carvill himself has been saying
Speaker 1: sounds a lot like what the hell I've been saying,
Speaker 1: but before I get into that.
Speaker 2: First order of business study, you have to.
Speaker 1: Be so rude, you know, dropping f bombs and going
Speaker 1: all or you know, going off like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that's your nature. I understand that,
Speaker 2: but let's just say.
Speaker 1: Two can do that, you know, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to get raw, ain't nobody hiding from that?
Speaker 2: I could be that way.
Speaker 1: It's just that my mama taught me to respect my elders,
Speaker 1: and you are eighty years of age if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to be respectful, so I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: come at you the way that you came to me.
Speaker 2: I thought that was completely unnecessary. That's number one. Number two,
Speaker 2: I religiously say.
Speaker 1: I'm no political officionado. I religiously say I don't know
Speaker 1: politics like that. I read, I watch the news. I'm
Speaker 1: a conscientious observer. But I do have to ask you
Speaker 1: a question, mister James Carville, albeit rhetorically, you do know
Speaker 1: that you're talking to a voter, right, Could that.
Speaker 2: Be one of the reasons why y'all lost just a thought.
Speaker 1: Because you sound like one of those old curmudgeons that
Speaker 1: want things to stay or be the way that they
Speaker 1: used to be, and you're resentful, harboring an abundance of
Speaker 1: animosity because you're not being heard.
Speaker 2: That's not Stephen A. Smith's fault, sir.
Speaker 1: That's that damn Democratic Party that I was talking about.
Speaker 1: You see, they shouldn't listen to me. Do you realize,
Speaker 1: James Carville, that that means they shouldn't have listened to
Speaker 1: you either, Which makes no sense because we were both
Speaker 1: right because guess what what I was saying is what
Speaker 1: you were saying. I saw you on Fox News, I
Speaker 1: saw you on CNN.
Speaker 2: I saw you on your podcast before the election.
Speaker 1: Wait the hell you think I got some of the
Speaker 1: stuff from when you were talking about the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: I'm making that up. I'm making it up. When you
Speaker 1: were lamenting their strategy. I'm making it up. When I
Speaker 1: talked about Kamala Harris and not resonating with the audience.
Speaker 1: I'm making it up. When I talked about woke culture.
Speaker 1: I'm making it up. When I talked about they weren't
Speaker 1: focused on the right issues. I'm making that up. You
Speaker 1: didn't say any of those things.
Speaker 2: I tell you what. Let's see the audience.
Speaker 1: Let's show the audience rather exactly what you said.
Speaker 2: I didn't say hearing. I said, let's show it to
Speaker 2: them so they can see your faith. They know it's you.
Speaker 2: They know it you, James Carfield. This is your talking.
Speaker 2: Take a listen.
Speaker 4: We have no legislative power, we have no executive power,
Speaker 4: we have no judicial power. So when you're out of power,
Speaker 4: you're an opposition party, and go and tell all of
Speaker 4: the people that are sending you and asking you for money,
Speaker 4: justify what you did, Justify what you did wrong, and
Speaker 4: tell us what you're going to do different, because.
Speaker 3: What you've done a worth of shit. Get your head
Speaker 3: around that in all of the Washington based Democrats farting
Speaker 3: around going to wine and cheese parties and talking about
Speaker 3: how misogy and mistigret. To get your ass out of
Speaker 3: Washington and go work on a twenty twenty six campaign
Speaker 3: and do penance to make up for your goddamn arrogance
Speaker 3: and stupid. Well, we're gonna say we told you so.
Speaker 3: We told you this identity shit was disaster. We told
Speaker 3: you to get out in front of public safety issues.
Speaker 3: You didn't. We told you to have an open process
Speaker 3: and demonstrate the magnificent and staggering and deep talent that
Speaker 3: existed to mind Democratic Party. You didn't. We told you
Speaker 3: to differentiate yourself of Biden.
Speaker 4: You didn't.
Speaker 3: I hate to be some fucking know it all, but
Speaker 3: all of these things are part of the record.
Speaker 2: Where did I hear that before? I mean, did you hear.
Speaker 1: Him speaking ladies and gentlemen. Did you hear him speaking
Speaker 1: about woke culture? Did you hear him speaking about how
Speaker 1: you needed to separate yourself from Joe Biden? Did you
Speaker 1: hear him speaking about there was no primary? You remember
Speaker 1: that stuff? Which y'all here that before? What'd you here before?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: You thought I was finished? I got more. I got more.
Speaker 1: Play the next clipper, James Carville, please show them.
Speaker 3: The first thing is somebody runs for Democratic nomination in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. The first thing that I want to
Speaker 3: hear out of their mouth is I'm taking our message everywhere.
Speaker 3: And when I say everywhere, I mean everywhere. I mean
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan, I mean Fox News, I mean Sunday Morning shows,
Speaker 3: I mean everything. I'm proud of what we have to offer.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go out and promote it, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to go out and defend it, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to go out and tack them, and I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: that all the time. Secondly, all of our events are
Speaker 3: going to be fun. There's going to be great music,
Speaker 3: there's going to be great comedians that are going to
Speaker 3: tell jokes before I come up. It's going to be
Speaker 3: an entirely different thing.
Speaker 2: With dour, it's.
Speaker 3: Always somebody's in a pissy mood, somebody's just and which
Speaker 3: is people. We're just not connected. We're not connecting at all.
Speaker 3: And it's just going to require some discipline and it's
Speaker 3: going to require a change of attitude.
Speaker 5: Just a little thought, mister James Carville, are you sure
Speaker 5: you wanting to be the dude that's pointing out how
Speaker 5: the Democrats look so dour and always in a pissy mood?
Speaker 2: You show you the right person that should deliver that message.
Speaker 2: Have you looked in the mirror.
Speaker 1: You show yourself. You've seen the way you've talked about yourself.
Speaker 1: You see the way you disseminate a message. You don't
Speaker 1: look dour, you don't look down, you don't look enthusiastic.
Speaker 2: Come on now, listen, sir. I respect you, and by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your compliments about my sports career, My carean
Speaker 1: sports broadcasting what have you. Is very kind of you,
Speaker 1: that part very very much, so thank you, very very much.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate that, and I feel the same way
Speaker 1: about your political career. It's the economy stupid, still one
Speaker 1: of the most famous lines in political history back in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two when Clinton was running for.
Speaker 2: Office before he won to presidency. I got it. I understand.
Speaker 2: I know who you are. I know you've got your chops.
Speaker 2: I get you. But respectfully, sir, there's a couple of
Speaker 2: things that you need to understand.
Speaker 1: Most voters out there aren't political officionados, but just because
Speaker 1: they're not doesn't mean that they don't know that you
Speaker 1: know their ass from a hole in the wall. As
Speaker 1: you described me, I saw inflation. I saw the economy
Speaker 1: not being what the Democrats purported it was.
Speaker 2: I saw crime in the streets. I saw a crisis
Speaker 2: at our borders.
Speaker 1: I saw a president that was clearly diminished, to say
Speaker 1: the least. I saw the Democratic Party debatably, arguably engage
Speaker 1: in undemocratic behavior when you alter greased the skids to
Speaker 1: make sure he didn't experience a primary to ultimately send
Speaker 1: him to that debate stage. June twenty seventh and embarrass himself,
Speaker 1: waited an additional three weeks for him to get out
Speaker 1: of office so you could put Kamala Harris in there
Speaker 1: without any resistance. I heard you lament that, well, I
Speaker 1: lamented it too. I complained about it too. So we
Speaker 1: have to be as knowledgeable and as informed and as
Speaker 1: connected as James Carville to have a salient and decent
Speaker 1: opinion about what the hell is.
Speaker 2: Going on with the Democratic Party. That's what it takes.
Speaker 1: So respectfully, you're wrong, and you know you're wrong. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that should have listened to you,
Speaker 1: and they made a mistake by not listening to you.
Speaker 1: I'm the exact opposite. You were one of the people
Speaker 1: that I was listening to break down the problems with.
Speaker 2: The Democratic Party. But in that sound that.
Speaker 1: I played for our audience, I noticed that there was
Speaker 1: a level of inconsistence see them.
Speaker 2: You talked about going.
Speaker 1: To see she should go and interview and sit down
Speaker 1: with everybody, the Joe Rogans of the world. The list
Speaker 1: goes on and on. Well, it's funny, sir, mister James Carville.
Speaker 1: I'm reading an article from Newsweek in November, and in
Speaker 1: that article. Before the election, you were talking about how
Speaker 1: you didn't like her strategy or the immediate after math
Speaker 1: of the election. I'm sorry you were lamenting how you
Speaker 1: didn't like the fact that she was sitting down with everybody.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think it was before the election you were
Speaker 2: talking about how you didn't like the fact that she was.
Speaker 1: Gonna sit down with Fox News, that she was gonna
Speaker 1: go on to view and all.
Speaker 2: Of this sudden stuff. You were talking about how you
Speaker 2: didn't like that.
Speaker 1: Now you sit back talking about if I'm a Democrat,
Speaker 1: I'd be around everybody, I'd go talk to everybody.
Speaker 2: That ain't what you said months ago.
Speaker 1: That's not what you said, sir, so respectfully, let me
Speaker 1: state this again for everybody to listen. My life is
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. I have no desire to be a politician.
Speaker 1: I want to contaminate and sully my life by entrenching
Speaker 1: myself in that cesspool in the nation's capital. I'm very
Speaker 1: very clear about that. And the pay would be significantly less.
Speaker 1: Let me add that too, at least for the eight
Speaker 1: years I'm in office, because I damn sure if I
Speaker 1: win the first election, I ain't losing a second. So
Speaker 1: understand I have no desire for it. What I said was,
Speaker 1: it's an absolute embarrassment that I am the person that's
Speaker 1: being mentioned and named. It's a disgrace to this Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: It shows you have no bullpen and I know that's
Speaker 1: what got your your inteners up, and that's what robbed
Speaker 1: you up even more so because you brought up how
Speaker 1: I have a relationship with Wes Moore and Jos Shapiro.
Speaker 2: Jos Shapiro, I met him one time in my life.
Speaker 1: I talked to him one time of my life, and Hey,
Speaker 1: I think he's a fabulous governor for the state of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: and I think he knows his stuff and I'm honored
Speaker 1: to have met him, and I'm looking forward to cultivating
Speaker 1: a relationship with him.
Speaker 2: West Wore is a different animal. I love this brother.
Speaker 1: I know him through sports because he and I talk
Speaker 1: about the Ravens all the time. I think he's doing
Speaker 1: a damn good job with the state of Maryland, and
Speaker 1: if there is a Democratic nominee to look at, it
Speaker 1: is definitely him. I think Wes Wore is an absolute winner.
Speaker 1: I'm not apologizing for that to anybody. I did not
Speaker 1: mean to imply that that there's nobody in the bullpen
Speaker 1: in terms of their capability.
Speaker 2: Sir, what I'm saying is who's resonating with.
Speaker 1: The national audience because you got Trump and that cult
Speaker 1: like following that he has. Who will go along with
Speaker 1: whoever Trump says to go along with in the event
Speaker 1: that he doesn't manipulate the Constitution and ends up getting
Speaker 1: a third term, so you can put his vote. You
Speaker 1: can qualify that as lock Stock and Beryl. Who's the
Speaker 1: Democrat that can galvanize an audience on a nationwide.
Speaker 2: Level to pull off the level of support.
Speaker 1: That it's going to take to upend and usurp a
Speaker 1: Trump alcoholite or somebody like that in the future.
Speaker 2: Who is that person going to be?
Speaker 1: Do I have to be in officionado in politics to
Speaker 1: say something like that. The Washington Post wrote an article
Speaker 1: about me today. God a damn halo over my head,
Speaker 1: trying to act like I'm Jesus, like I'm some savior. Ridiculous,
Speaker 1: But I don't mind. It was a good article and
Speaker 1: I'm not insulted by it.
Speaker 2: I'm simply saying to paint me in that picture. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not that dude.
Speaker 1: But in that article Will Caine, my former colleague at ESPN,
Speaker 1: now a host at Fox News with a weekday show
Speaker 1: every week there at four pm. He's to stay at
Speaker 1: the time. I'm happy for him. I'm proud of them.
Speaker 1: In the same breath that he was complimentary of me,
Speaker 1: he said I didn't know enough about the issues. He's
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I never said I did. I don't study
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill like I study sports.
Speaker 2: Do y'all want me to.
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 2: You know what kind of havoc i'dreak.
Speaker 1: If I sat down for a few weeks and just
Speaker 1: buried my brain and my face and my mind into
Speaker 1: the nuances of politics and what transpires on Capitol Hill.
Speaker 1: Are y'all sure y'all want that smoke?
Speaker 2: You sure about that? I mean, because it's like you're
Speaker 2: daring me too, mister James Carford, Like you're daring me too.
Speaker 2: You sure are? You sure? Might want to think about that,
Speaker 2: because you see when you sit back.
Speaker 1: And you allow your eya to subside and you embrace
Speaker 1: the true, authentic words that I was spewing. I wasn't
Speaker 1: questioning Josh Shapiro, I wasn't questioning Wes Moore. I'm not
Speaker 1: even questioning somebody like Harold for Junior who works on
Speaker 1: the five on Fox on Fox News. I think that
Speaker 1: the composure that he shows and what have you. He's
Speaker 1: a former representative, I think he could do some good things.
Speaker 1: All of these people are more qualified than me. All
Speaker 1: of them are more knowledgeable than me. How difficult is
Speaker 1: it to get knowledgeable about politics?
Speaker 2: If I really really wanted to make.
Speaker 1: Some noise all the tanks is a few weeks and
Speaker 1: a few phone calls with people that I can clearly
Speaker 1: talk to because I got him on speed dial.
Speaker 2: It ain't that hard. It's just out a lane.
Speaker 1: I want to venture into an official In an official capacity, I'd.
Speaker 2: Much rather remain a pundit alan commentator.
Speaker 1: But if you really really think, James Carville, about what
Speaker 1: I said, you've been saying the exact same things, which
Speaker 1: brings me to the culminating point of my dire dribe
Speaker 1: that dare I say might make you a bit uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Is what I said really the problem since most of
Speaker 1: what I've said are things that I also heard you say?
Speaker 2: Or is it the fact that some novice.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't know is as from a hole in the
Speaker 1: wall when it comes to politics is resonating in the
Speaker 1: political stratosphere of more than you.
Speaker 2: The latter might be the case, it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I would advise anybody in the world to listen to
Speaker 1: you about politics more than me. That is not where
Speaker 1: I'm going. What I'm saying, sir, is that you coming
Speaker 1: at me the way that you did, frustration and your
Speaker 1: vitriol and your disrespect, which was completely unnecessary. Although you
Speaker 1: were complimentary about the sports, sir, I'm accusing your anger
Speaker 1: of being misplaced doesn't lie with me. Whether I'm talking
Speaker 1: about politics or I engaged in politics, I would always
Speaker 1: want to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 2: Problem is not with me, my man. The problem is
Speaker 2: with those folks who are entrenched.
Speaker 1: In politics on Capitol Hill, young whipper snappers, breath smelling
Speaker 1: like Similac wet behind the ears, that don't want to
Speaker 1: listen to.
Speaker 2: Somebody like you. They pushed you out like you're an
Speaker 2: old guard. Similar to what happens in sports when you got.
Speaker 1: These young dudes that are heavily in the analytics that
Speaker 1: push out the older, wiser, elder basketball minds.
Speaker 2: It happens in politics too.
Speaker 1: Those young kids on Capitol Hill don't want to hear
Speaker 1: what you have to say. Evidenced by their faulty strategy
Speaker 1: during the election cycle, which you have religiously condemned. So,
Speaker 1: in other words, your problem isn't with me. Your problem
Speaker 1: is with them. Take it up with them. And if
Speaker 1: you're going to mention my name, can we cut out
Speaker 1: the profanity?
Speaker 2: Can we stop cussing? Can we stop acting like we're juveniles.
Speaker 2: You're better than that, sir, You're better than that.