1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: the extreme Maga Republican in the Congress have chosen to 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: go backwards, full of anchor, violence, hey, and divisions. The 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: MAGA movement is the greatest in the history of our country. 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Floomberg Sound on Politics, Policy and perspective from DC's top name. 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: So I'm like one of those booster rockets that are 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: fulfilled its functions. Thank you for putting your faith in 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: me to lead our great conservative policy Bloomberg Sound On 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The general election is on. 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, as the campaigns 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: leave Labor Day behind and drive toward November. Will be 12 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: joined after a busy weekend on the trail by Barbara 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Perry from the University of Virginia's Miller Center to get 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: the lay of the land. With nine weeks to election 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: day later, a new prime Minister at ten Downing Street, 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk to Bloomberg's Flavia Kraus Jackson about the challenges 17 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: facing Liz Trust and the relationship that she'll have with 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: President Biden. We hear they just spoke our signature panelways 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: in on all of our stories. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Davis and Jeanie Chanzano with us for the hour. It 21 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: was a busy Labor Day on the campaign trail, as 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: we knew it would be, with both President Biden and 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: former President Donald Trump driving both sides in rallies and events. 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Over the course of Labor Day, Joe Biden picked up 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: right where he left off in last week's Soul of 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: the Nation speech. Is that what we're gonna call it 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia? I'm going with that here he is in Milwaukee. 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: The extreme Maga Republicans and Congress have chosen to go backwards, 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: full of anger, violence, hate and division. He tried, though, 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: to answer critics of his speech last week, and god 31 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: knows we heard all from a lot of them over 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: the last couple of days. A little more careful over 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: the weekend to speak to what he calls mainstream Republicans. Listen, 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: I want to be very clear upfront, not every Republican 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: as a Maga Republican. Not every Republican embraces that extreme 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: Alley ideology. I know because I've been able to work 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: with mainstream Republicans of my whole career. But the extreme Maga. 38 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: Republicans and Congress have chosen to go backwards, full of anger, violence, 39 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: hate and division. But together we can and we must 40 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: choose a different path forward. Interesting to hear the speech 41 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: evolve since Thursday night in front of Independence Hall, washedon 42 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: read Donald Trump. Well, it's Donald Trump. He did not 43 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: pull back at all when he rallied supporters in Wilkes. 44 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: Barry spoke for an extended period of time. Here's the 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: former president. Joe Biden came to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to give 46 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: the most vicious, hateful, and divisive speech ever delivered by 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: an American president. He shared a stage with Dr Oz 48 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: and Doug Mastriana. We'll hear more of what Donald Trump 49 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: had to say later this hour. But yes, the general 50 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: election begins, and today we get the view of Barbara Perry, 51 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: director of Presidential Studies at the University of Virginia's Miller Center. Barbara, 52 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Neither Joe Biden or Donald 53 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Trump are on the ballot, of course in nine weeks. 54 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: But how much impact can either of them have on 55 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: the actual outcome of these elections? Well, first all, great 56 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: to be with you. I think they can have a 57 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: lot of impact we know that Donald Trump remains the 58 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: figure and the Republican Party. Whether he's supported by all 59 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: members is another story. I think about fifty percent of 60 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: Republicans polled have said they would prefer to have someone 61 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: else at the top of the ticket. But until that 62 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: era begins, we're in the mid terms and he is 63 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: the voice of the Republican Party right now, so he 64 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: will have an impact. And obviously the president of the 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: United States always has some imp act on the mid 66 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: terms for his party and how it does in Congress 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: and the congressional races around the country. Usually the story 68 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: is about the negative impact they have and how candidates 69 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: are duck in the the incumbent, And I know we've 70 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: had some examples of that, Barbara, how much does history 71 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: matter this time? Have have things become so different in 72 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: politics that it's it's difficult to look back on prior 73 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: midterms when the the typical narrative is, you know, the 74 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: party of the incumbent loses. I'm not indicating that that 75 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: won't happen and that that precedent, which does, as you say, 76 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: tend to be the norm where the president's party will 77 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: lose seats in both houses and in this instance, because 78 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: they're so narrowly divided, could lose one or both houses. 79 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that history will not repeat, but it's 80 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: hard now to make claims based on history because I 81 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: think we're in unprecedented times. The very fact, for example, 82 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: that we do have Donald Trump having such an impact 83 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: I believe, on the party and on the media, and 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: and on people who really do support him, and on 85 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: choosing candidates to run for the Senate in the House, Uh, 86 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: that's fairly unprecedented. So I think that we are in 87 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: a time where it's hard to make predictions. But what's 88 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: interesting to talk about is how different things are now. 89 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: It is hard to make predictions, And you know, it's interesting. 90 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: We're Bloomberg. We love data, and I'm just looking at uh, 91 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: five thirty eight and Real Clear the polls of polls, 92 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: if you will, at five thirty eight and their methods 93 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: a little bit different. Here, Democrats slightly favored to win 94 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: the Senate, Republicans favored to win the House. When I 95 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: look at the general election generic congressional vote at Real 96 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Clear Politics, it's there's no spread. It's one tenth of 97 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: one percent in favor of Democrats. But that's when you're 98 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: in it. You're when you're in a changing environment and 99 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: evolving environment, things feel like they're changing pretty quickly one 100 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: way or the other. Here, Barbara, it's pretty difficult to 101 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: get your arms around what's actually happening in the moment, 102 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: isn't it? Well, it is. And that's why we have tended, 103 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: especially those of us in the political science realm, try 104 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: to look back at history and look back at previous 105 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: data to say, well, is that predictive, or look at 106 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the current data and say that is predictive. But because 107 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: things are so polarized right now and so evenly divided, 108 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: as we know in presidential races and in congressional races, 109 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: that I do think what Mitch McConnell said, and I 110 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: think in a very realistic way, is that if we 111 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: look at this generic poll about do you prefer the 112 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Democrats Republicans to run Congress, that's not going to get 113 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: down to the nitty gritty, to the granular level of 114 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: as McConnell said, Senate races or statewide very different kinds 115 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: of candidates as opposed to the people who are running 116 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: for the House, which is exactly what the founders knew 117 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: when they gave a two year term to members of 118 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: the House in a six year term, two members running 119 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: across the state for the Senate. Well, so should we 120 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: be looking at you know, should we be looking at 121 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: national trends or is it just not that simple? This 122 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be districts by district in the way that 123 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: people are making their decisions with everything from inflation to 124 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: row uh, to crime and all the other issues were 125 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: told are going to decide this election. Well, I think 126 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: the latter part is true. I think it's a truism 127 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: that these issues will decide, it's just where will they decide? 128 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: And so maybe if I could use the World War 129 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: One analogy that the House races are going to be 130 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: the trenches, okay, and you're gonna have people firing across 131 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: barbed wire, fighting inch by inch for the territory. Uh. 132 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: And in some ways the Senate races across the state 133 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: are sort of like the Cold War and and they're 134 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: sort of the nuclear age. Uh. And so it's you 135 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: needed seat step back and see the big picture, because 136 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: maybe the whole planet is at stake if we get 137 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: a nuclear holocaust. So maybe that's a bit exaggerated, but 138 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: I do think it comes down to that, but that 139 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: these general questions about issues across the board, whether in 140 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: a district or in a date or across the country, 141 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: we have to say, for example, given what happened in Kansas, 142 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: we know abortion is going to be an issue. Given 143 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: the poll that showed people cared about democracy, and we're 144 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: so worried about democracy, that's got to be an issue 145 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: coming out of j six. But on people's pocketbook, issues 146 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: that will tend to sway a house race. What they're 147 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: paying at the grocery, what they're paying for clothing, and 148 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: what they're pain and rent could make the difference. We're 149 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: spending time with Barbara Perry from the University of Virginia's 150 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: Miller Center, I have to admit, when I stepped back 151 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: and and just think about the last week, having seen 152 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in Philadelphia, UH and in some of his 153 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: speeches just before that at fundraisers, and then seeing Donald 154 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: Trump on stage with Dr Oz and dog Manstriano, looking 155 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: at the way they're caught up and playing on social media, 156 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: being binged myself on Twitter. Over the course of the weekend. 157 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: It feels like the presidential four race, aventually is starting 158 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: at exactly the same time, do you have that feeling? Well, 159 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: I do if both of those men end up being 160 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: at the top of the ticket. And that's not a 161 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: given at this point, but it does feel like that 162 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: more so than I will tell you. Um, my father 163 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: took me to see in the mid term elections of 164 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. He took me to the Louisville Airport 165 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: to see former President Eisenhower coming through Louisville, Kentucky to 166 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: campaign for the Senate. We had a Senate candidate up 167 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: at that time and who was running for re election, 168 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: and we had a Republican who was running for the 169 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: House to try to defeat the Democrat and he did. Um, 170 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: but we knew that Eisenhower wasn't going to run for 171 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: president again. UM. So my dad just wanted us to see, 172 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: in his mind as a World War Two hero. You know, 173 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: my dad was a World War Two it so he 174 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: wanted us to see the World War Two hero and 175 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: the former president. My mother, two years before it taken 176 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: us to see Senator John Kennedy running for president. So 177 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: I come by this very naturally. But you know, we 178 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: we didn't think that, as I say, that Eisenhower was 179 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: going to be running again. So the fact that you've 180 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: got to this is more like the Grover Cleveland era, 181 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: where you've got a former president who is going to 182 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: sit out a term and then wants to get a 183 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: second term non consecutive. Um, it's going to be more 184 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: like that. We don't know for sure whether Joe Biden 185 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: will run or will get the nomination, but if we 186 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: would say that the election were the nominations were held today, 187 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: I think you'd say those two men would be at 188 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: the top of the tickets. So that's what it feels 189 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: like the right the presidential race, and you have to 190 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: act like they're gonna run, right. Both of them have 191 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: to project this for different reasons right now. But we've 192 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: got a presidential debate set for June. Barbara, how long 193 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: do they actually have before they have to decide publicly? Oh? 194 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: I think well. I think that certainly that Trump has 195 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: decided that that he will run, and he's talked about that, 196 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: and so I think that's a given. I can't see 197 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: that he will step beside um. And for Biden, I 198 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: think that, first of all, as you point out, he 199 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: has a reason. He doesn't want to be seen as 200 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: a lame duck and so I think that he would 201 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: like to run. I think the only thing that prevents 202 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: him from running is just illness. You know, if he 203 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: should have an illness, that would overtake him given his 204 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: age and his medical background. Ground um. But otherwise I 205 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: think his how it is in the ring as well. Boy. 206 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: At a certain point, though, you've got to clear the 207 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: decks right, let people know what's going on here. And 208 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm deeply curious to see how long it will be 209 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: after the mid terms before we get Joe Biden and 210 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump on the record here instead of teasing 211 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: all the time. Barbara, thank you for joining us. It's 212 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: a great conversation with Barbara Perry, director of Presidential Studies 213 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: at the University of Virginia's Miller Center. We thought a 214 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: great opportunity to look at this race or race is 215 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: of course all over the country through the eyes of 216 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: the White House, this administration and the prior one, because 217 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: these are the two newsmakers, if you will, who are 218 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: driving the conversation for better or worse on the trail. 219 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. This is sound on the 220 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics. Will assemble our panel next. They're 221 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: both here our signature panel, Jeannie Chanzano and Rick Davis 222 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: with their take on a big weekend on the campaign trail. 223 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: We'll check traffic and markets for you on the way 224 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: as well. Thanks for joining us. I'm Joe matt Again. 225 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On on 226 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. As my mother used to say, all new 227 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: rules after Labor Day, and that is the spirit of 228 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: mid term election campaigns taken on a different tone, starting 229 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: to spend money. Now the ads are running and it 230 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: is on to November and Joe Matthew welcome to sound 231 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: On exclusively on Bloomberg Radio. Although I do encourage you 232 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: to subscribe to the podcast, it will improve your lifestyle. 233 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: As we assemble our panel, our signature panel back in 234 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: place with Rick Davis, Jennie Chanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors. Did 235 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: you wake up after Labor Day, Rick, just with that 236 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: old feeling in mind, like you wanted to get on 237 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: the campaign trail. There's something in the air. Yeah, I 238 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: thought I was supposed to be in New Hampshire. I 239 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: mean it wasn't even cold yet. Yeah. No, we're in season. 240 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean we got a couple more clean up, including 241 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: New Hampshire's primary, which is the last one on September thirteenth. 242 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, it's showtime now. I mean, this stuff 243 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: is getting real, and I think Joe Biden did a 244 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: pretty good job of ushering that in with the approach 245 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: that he took. Yeah, we didn't talk to you after 246 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: the big speech in Philadelphia, Rick, was that the beginning? 247 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: Really at that point is you know, he he certainly 248 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: stirred up the pot. He got people very upset, Republicans offended. 249 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: It was the debate that lasted all weekend, and then 250 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: we of course heard from Donald Trump. Is Joe Biden 251 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: leading the conversation right now? Yeah? He is. Um. You know, 252 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: typically you want your candidate to find a time and 253 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: a place where he could lay out the stakes of 254 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: the election. This is what it means to you, voters. 255 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: This is the lineup that you're going to have in 256 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: the future to choose. Look through this prism and you 257 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: will be able to make the right decision. He did 258 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: that in his speech. Uh and uh And the reality 259 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: has Trump's been reacting to it ever since, and and 260 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: not really reacting substantively, but just an anger. Jennie what 261 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: did you think after hearing Don Trump and seeing Donald 262 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: Trump on Saturday? Uh, you know, getting back to the 263 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: Trump is UM's getting back to the insults, the name calling, 264 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I mean, he went through all 265 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: of them. He did Polka haunt this, he did the 266 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: watermelon head for for Congressman shift did Thursday with President 267 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: Biden seem so severe after being reminded what Donald Trump does. Yeah, 268 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I read Biden speech Thursday as 269 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: trolling Trump, and Trump played right into it. I mean, 270 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: at some point you've got to wonder is Donald Trump 271 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: working for Joe Biden? Because this is exactly what he 272 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: keeps doing, stepping into it, stepping into it big, and 273 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: it is doing everything to make the case that Joe 274 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: Biden wants to make that this is an out of 275 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: control aspect of the Republican Party. If you vote for them, 276 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: we go right back to the chaos of don't do it. 277 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: You know, voters are looking for a change, They want 278 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: to vote against Democrats, and Republicans like Trump are doing 279 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: everything to make them do the opposite. That's a problem 280 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: for Republicans. Mitch McConnell and other Republicans know that, But 281 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump doesn't seem to care. Well, let's talk about 282 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell a little bit more, because 283 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: he went there on Saturday night, wilkes Bury. Uh, And 284 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I wanted for the next I've got a couple of 285 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: pieces of the speech that I want you both to 286 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: react to. Not so much about what Donald Trump is saying, 287 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: but listen to the crowd here and in this case, 288 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: when he says Mitch McConnell's name, listen, a guy like 289 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell, who allowed this stuff to happen should be scorned. 290 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: He should be scored. Election was rigged and soul in 291 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: and now our country is being destroyed by people who 292 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: got into office through cheating and through fraud. Now watch 293 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: the cameras will all turn off as soon as I 294 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: say that, because they're not allowed to put that off. 295 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: Not really how that worked out, Rick. But in the 296 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: case of Mitch McConnell, he's being booed as loudly as 297 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton in this speech. Yeah. No, Look, I mean 298 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that MAGA is not his friend, and 299 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: they never have been, even when President Trump was in office. 300 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: He uh challenged Mitch McConnell's leadership constantly. Uh. But then 301 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: again he challenges his own secretaries of State and secretaries 302 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: of of Defense and attorney general the same way. So look, 303 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: there's there's not a structure in place that Donald Trump 304 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: doesn't want to take on because he's the anti structure. 305 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: He's anti leadership, he's anti control. So, um, I think 306 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: this is just more the same. I would say Mitch 307 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: just keeps his head down, he doesn't engage with him, 308 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't troll and uh and and he puts his 309 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: money where his mouth is. He's running ads in states 310 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: that uh some have Trump uh nominees and some don't. 311 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: So um, you know, he's just playing out his game 312 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: to try and become the leader. You know, Hillary Clinton's 313 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: name did come up, Genie, and we got the full 314 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: lock herrupt chant as the president. The former president talked 315 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: about the emails well, complaining about the search of Mara Lago. Uh. 316 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: How many years does this go on? Are we really 317 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: we're still having this conversation? Oh? I think it goes 318 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: on as long as Donald Trump is there. He also 319 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: gave up electric cars, wind turbines. He talked about Mitch 320 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: McConnell than he did better than he did you know, 321 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: his own candidates that he was there to talk about. 322 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: It just fascinating to me how long Hillary Clinton can 323 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: remain you know, the foil. It doesn't matter how many 324 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: years passed. But I want you to listen to this 325 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: next one, Genie, the president of the United States, former 326 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump, talking about the funding for the war 327 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Listen, you know we just sent another thirteen 328 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: billion dollars. Do you create that gets us close to 329 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: eighty billion dollars? Well there's another boom. Well, it angers 330 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: me more for a different reason. It would have never 331 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: happened before Putin knew he wouldn't have done it. He said, Vladimir, 332 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: you're not gonna do it. At Vladimir, you knew that. 333 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: He knew it. He knew it. Well, we don't know 334 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: about that, genie. But what do you make of the 335 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: crowd booing at billions of dollars for Ukraine? Is that 336 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of the split here in the Republican Party 337 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: on war funding? You know, I do think we have 338 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: to be careful about judging too much based off these crowds. 339 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump's candidates himself, they get about they 340 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: don't get much more. They're still widespread support for funding 341 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: and helping the Ukraine battle Russia. That said, I do 342 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: think this is something particularly if energy costs keep rising, 343 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: particularly if Europe has the energy crisis we expected does 344 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: this winter, that there may be a decrease in some 345 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: of the support for funding. But you know he's not 346 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: making a serious case of that. What he's basically saying 347 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: is if I was president, none of this would have happened. 348 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: And of course we know that's not true. If that's 349 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: a cell line, Rick, what does that tell us about 350 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: the Republican Party in this story? Well, he's the same 351 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: crowd that food getting COVID vaccine. So you I think 352 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: that tells you everything you need to know about that crowd, 353 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: got it? Rick Davis, dni Chanzano. Our signature panel will 354 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: return as we turn to what happened today at ten 355 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: Downing Street. How about it a new prime minister and 356 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: we'll discuss it straight ahead on the fastest hour in 357 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: politics of Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg Prime Ministers Trust 358 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: stands before number ten Downing with a message. Here she 359 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: is I'm honored to take on this responsibility at a 360 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: vital time for our country. What makes the United Kingdom. 361 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: Great is our fundamental belief in freedom, in enterprise, and 362 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: in fair play. Our people have shown grit, courage and 363 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: determination time and time again, and so here we go. 364 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: Reports say she has spoken with or may still be 365 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: speaking to, Joe Biden. Gott to be exhausted after this 366 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: day meeting with the Queen. The whole thing we heard 367 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: from Boris Johnson, who's going to start putting up billboards 368 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: that say missed me yet, And we get to talk 369 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: about it with Flavia Across Jackson, Bloomberg's managing editor for 370 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: US Politics and Government, who's kind to take a moment 371 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: for us here. Flavia, thanks for joining us. I make 372 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: a joke there, but there is something to be said 373 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: for that, right is is the best thing that's happened 374 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: to Boris Johnson's reputation in a few weeks. I mean, 375 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean Boris Johnson was You can 376 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: say what you want about him, but he was jolly 377 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: good fun um and I'm sure Biden and he shared 378 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: quite a few laughs. I'm not quite sure he's going 379 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: to have the same with list Trust, who's you know, 380 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: very very different and far more serious socially, quite awkward 381 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: um and potentially far more conservative. Um. So you know, 382 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: Will always has to be careful about during the end 383 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: of Boris because you never know what's coming around the corner. 384 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: Uh and Liszt. Trust could prove to be quite tricky 385 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: on things like exits, um, among other things. How about 386 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: like heating homes. That's going to be a big part 387 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: of the immediate challenge here is getting through winter. Bloomberg 388 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: had a really important story today on Trust's plan to 389 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: help tackle energy bills. Is that issue number one for her? Oh? Absolutely? 390 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: I mean honestly, if you can ever think of the 391 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: worst times become prime minister in in in the UK, 392 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: it would be this one. I mean, what's in her 393 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: entray is just absolutely shocking. Um. The economy is in 394 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: the toilet, the cost of living um. I mean if 395 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: there was an election now, she would probably lose it. Um. 396 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: So you know that the big thing is that right 397 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: now she was anaptical on election four. So technically she's 398 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: got two years. But as he has seen with the 399 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: conservative bunch, you know, if you don't turn it around, 400 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: they get rid of you, and they get rid of 401 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: you in ways that are quite brutal. As Boris Johnson. Yeah, boy, 402 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: they really do. I mean it's just incredible for Americans 403 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: to watch. But Flavia, what will make Liz trust more 404 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: conservative than Boris Johnson? What is it that you see 405 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: ahead well? I mean, for example, on on the Brexit stuff. 406 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: I mean, she's very interesting on that because if you 407 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: go back a little bit back into thousand and sixteen 408 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: and all these conservatives are trying to work out, you know, 409 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: which side of the Pensilan they were going to go. 410 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: She was a remainder. I she was anti Brexit, but 411 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: boy that she turned that around when we saw that 412 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: the referendum went a certain way and she became a 413 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: real zeal at, a real concert. And now you could 414 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: say that, you know, she's even more of a brexit here, 415 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: uh than even Johnson was. So one of the things 416 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: that obviously you officials are very concerned about, and the 417 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: Biden administration as well, is whether she is going to 418 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: rip up the so called Northern Ireland Protocol. I mean 419 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: he's put up very simply. I mean, it took years 420 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: to get just the right balance um with with with Brexit, 421 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: and you know, the Brid's got a bit of fum deal. 422 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: But what was arranged was that you weren't going to 423 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: try and jetterdize a Good Friday Agreement which was essentially 424 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: what you know, prevented you know, decades of violence between 425 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: Northern Ireland and the rest of and and and the 426 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: and something that Joe Biden feels very strongly about. Absolutely, 427 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: you nailed it. I mean, he is a proud irishman, 428 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: um and this is something that he gets about very 429 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: very deeply, and that we've written about um And so 430 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: he you know, he scolded Johnson said do not mess 431 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: around with the Good Friday Agreement. So here he's come, 432 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: He's got Truss coming in saying, well, you know what, 433 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: am I ripped it up? So I mean, I'm sure 434 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: this has come up in the conversation, which I presumably 435 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 1: presuming is ongoing. So that's something that's going to make 436 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: the Biden in station slightly like take a bit of 437 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: a guarded approach. I mean, the UK US relationship is 438 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: is just not as special and trust herself. Last year 439 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: UM at an event, so they said, you know what, 440 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: we're we don't punter. Remember how she described it. Essentially 441 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: she used language the tune of like we're no longer 442 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: the sort of the teenage girl who wants invited the invited. Um. 443 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: And and that's a very interesting way of looking at 444 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: that relationship because the parts are absolutely obsessed with it 445 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: at the times of Ronnie and and and Maggie. Um. 446 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: But the honest in truth that relationship just hasn't been 447 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: as strong when it comes to the personalities and their 448 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: affinity and you know, and the backslapping. Um. So I 449 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: can't image imagine Biden and Trust being the best of friends, 450 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: but I can imagine them needing each other for things 451 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: like China and Ukraine where to a politically, um, they're 452 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: quite that they're on the same way. Thanks, Flavia, come 453 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: back and see us again. I'm the leading you can 454 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: in some time with this flavy across. Jackson helps to 455 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: run the politics and government team for Bloomberg and dialed 456 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: in on what's happening on the other side of the 457 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: ocean here. I'd love to hear quickly from both of 458 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: our panelists on this today, Genie. This is a pretty 459 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: big deal, as we heard, though there could be some 460 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: some daylight between Joe Biden and Liz Trust on some issues. 461 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: Is this going to be a good relationship? We hope 462 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be but you know, talk about not 463 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: having a honeymoon. She is coming into challenges that are 464 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: going to make this, you know, such a difficult time 465 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: for her. And the relationship with the Biden administration and 466 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: the Good Friday Agreement we're just talking about those things 467 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: are still you know, things that we're gonna have to 468 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: watch and see what happens. This is somebody who you know, 469 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: people describe as a shape shifter politically, and so we'll 470 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: have to see where she comes out on some of 471 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: these issues. I can't imagine she starts, uh, fooling around 472 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: with a Good Friday Agreement. Right now in the offset here, Rick, 473 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: there's a war in Ukraine going on, there's an energy 474 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: crisis as well. Can Joe Biden keep her kind of 475 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: in in that lane for now and and and keep 476 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: her as a reliable part of the Ukrainian alliance? Yeah? 477 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: I think what what the White House is probably looking 478 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: for stability. I mean, they haven't had any in that 479 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 1: relationship in the last month. And uh, and yet you're right, 480 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: there are certain priorities that they want to see her 481 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: address Ukraine, probably for the US being top of that list. 482 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: But she of course has to look domestically and make 483 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: sure that whatever ruling coalition she has sticks with her. 484 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: I think Flavia did a great job of talking about 485 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: the fact that she's got a two year lease in 486 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: life on on her her her job. But the Conservative 487 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: Party could throw her out tomorrow if they're unhappy. What 488 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: a way to make a living politics and the fastest 489 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: hour Here. This is sound On on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Joe, 490 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: Matthew and Washington. Rick and Jenie are right back as 491 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: we reassemble the panel with some important news on the 492 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: Mara a Lago documents in the investigation into Donald Trump. 493 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg sound On on Bloomberg Radio. 494 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: So the Special Master has been approved may not end 495 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: that way. The Department of Justice can still appeal, many 496 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: expect it will. But indeed Donald Trump got the clear 497 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: from a federal judge to have a neutral third party 498 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: review the documents seized by the FBI from Mara Lago 499 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: a special master, which, as we've discussed, is inherently redundant 500 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: because the Justice Department already has a filter team made 501 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: up of third party members for this very purpose. Whomever 502 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: this uh special Master is, he or she is going 503 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: to have to have quite the security clearance to spend 504 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: time going through the documents. Here, let's reassemble the panel 505 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: for their take on this, Rick Davis and Jeanie Chanzano 506 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: or here Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rickett was fascinating the fascinating 507 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: to hear from former Attorney General Bill Barr today. He 508 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: is talking about this on Fox and basically lays out 509 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: a scenario in which this is nothing but us a 510 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: stall tactic. He says, it doesn't really change anything in 511 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: the case. Listen to Bill Bar. The fundamental dynamics of 512 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: the case are set, which is, the government has very 513 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: strong evidence of what it really needs to determine whether 514 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: charge is appropriate, which is government documents were taken, classified 515 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: information was taken and not handled appropriately, and uh they 516 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: are looking into and there's some evidence to suggest that 517 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: they were deceived and and none of that really relates 518 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: to the content of documents. It's interesting, Rick, He's saying 519 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: that basically it doesn't matter what they found. The classification 520 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: of these documents and the way they were handled is 521 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: the issue. So does the GEO the d o J 522 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: appeal this or just let it ride. Well, I think 523 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: earlier in the interview. Um, you know, former Attorney General 524 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: Barr said he would definitely appeal. He suggested that that's 525 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: a no brainer for the thought they'd win, actually right, 526 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: and thought they'd win. So Uh, he felt this was 527 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: really a deeply flawed decision. I mean he was he 528 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: was slamming this decision. I mean, for a former attorney 529 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: general to weigh in on an issue with the his 530 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: boss at at stake is just really phenomenal. And I 531 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: think he's made good use of his voice. Uh. And 532 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine a better place to do it than 533 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: on Fox. Is this kind of just old fashioned Trump 534 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 1: legal maneuvering here, just on a really grand stage, Genie. 535 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: You know, I should say Bill Barr is really in 536 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: line with most legal scholars, many of whom are throwing 537 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: their hands up at this decision. And you know, Donald 538 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: Trump had a right to ask for this, his team 539 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: had a right to ask for it. But the reality 540 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: is the fact that it was granted makes almost no 541 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: sense legally. And you can look through conservative liberal all 542 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: of the people, it's very very difficult to find legal 543 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: scholars who are supporting this decision. The reality is this 544 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: is material that Donald Trump and no person out of 545 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: office has a right to have at their home. He 546 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: admits it is at their home his home, and he 547 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: had no right to it, So why a special master. 548 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: So from almost every perspective, Bill Barr isn't keeping with 549 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: what many people are saying, and they're saying it sets 550 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: a bad precedent. The problem for the do o J Is, 551 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: of course, we're coming closer and closer to an election. 552 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: What do you do if this extends out that much further? 553 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: And that's what makes the idea of an appeal hard 554 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: for them. The idea of executive privilege is also a 555 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: difficult one here Rick as a former president tries to 556 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: claim executive privilege from a sitting president basically, And there 557 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: are a lot of folks thinking this is going to 558 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court? Are you one of them? Um? You 559 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: know it could go to the Supreme Court. I'm not 560 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: sure what issue would drive it to the Supreme Court. 561 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: And I think we've got some time. I mean, Will 562 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: Bar called this a rain delay, you know in baseball metaphor, 563 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: and I and I think the reality is the Justice 564 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: Apartment is not gonna indict anybody that could affect the election, 565 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, within sixty days the election, so we're we're there, 566 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: and so this is I think going to be something 567 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: that plays itself out over the long term, but really 568 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: post election, so a delayed tactic, genie. Uh, do Democrats 569 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: keep hitting them on this on the campaign trail because 570 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like Donald Trump bought himself some time for 571 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: his own message to survive November. You know, I think 572 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: this works, you know, four Democrats if we're talking politically 573 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: and on the campaign trail, because the more Trump, the 574 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: more he's in the news, the better. The problem is legally, 575 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: and you know, you raise a really important point on 576 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: executive privilege. The Supreme Court at some point is going 577 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: to have to define how far this extends. Most legal 578 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: scholars say after you leave the presidency that privilege is ended. 579 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: And of course Joe Biden weighed in on the fact 580 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: that this wasn't privileged, and yet in the decision, the 581 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: judge said he hadn't been clear on that. So there 582 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: may be some things that have to be resolved like that, 583 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: either at the appellate or the Supreme Court all but 584 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: as we know, that takes time. Again, this helps Democrats 585 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: in terms of the election, but what it doesn't help 586 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: is in terms of legal decision making in this country, 587 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: and that I think is a real problem what this 588 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: sort of portends going forward for other people. Similarly situated 589 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton on Twitter earlier today. And I remember earlier 590 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: this hour as I mentioned the Hillary Clinton line that 591 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: got the big lock her up chant at the Trump 592 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: rally Saturday night in Wilkes Barre, and he talked about, 593 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, what is this his own issue here with 594 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: the FBI compared to the thirty emails Hillary Clinton rights 595 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: just a few hours ago. It's a little bit of 596 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: a threat. I can't believe we're still talking about this 597 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: but my emails. As Trump problems continue to mount, the 598 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: right is trying to make this about me again. There's 599 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: even a Clinton standard. The fact is I had zero 600 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: emails that were classified. She goes on to tweet call 601 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: me admitted he was wrong after he claimed I had 602 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: classified emails. So that's one thing she clearly wants to 603 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: to set aside. Trump's own State Department, under two different secretaries, 604 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: found I had no classified emails. By contrast, Trump has 605 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of documents clearly marked classified and the investigation just started. 606 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: And then she links to a website here if you're 607 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: interested in the facts and so forth. I don't know 608 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: what year it is sometimes Rick when when we're talking 609 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: about Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump. But I guess she 610 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: had to say something with regard to all of this, 611 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: uh and stay in the news while she's at it. 612 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: Is this a win for Hillary Clinton today? No, this disaster. 613 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, like to nied Tony and I I mean, 614 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: like the fact that Hillary Clinton is back in the 615 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: narrative is a reminder why she didn't win the presidency 616 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: against him in two thousand. She right that these are 617 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: different cases. Though these are different cases, but the fact 618 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: that she's getting into his case is an indication of 619 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: her sensitivity to what Donald Trump says. And I think 620 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: we should have learned a long time ago. You can't 621 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: be in sensitive to Donald Trump. You got to ignore 622 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: the guy. And the reality is she's now putting herself 623 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: in the middle of this story, and that's what he 624 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: was looking for. The one thing he wants is to 625 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: engage her in a public you know, display of affection 626 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of you know, his his his form of it. 627 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: And so now it just empowers him to come back 628 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: and do some more Hillary Clinton bashing. I mean, she 629 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: is a nonentity for for Democrats to to turn out votes. 630 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: And and she's just given fire to him to be 631 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: able to rally up his group and get a few 632 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: more lock her ups at his next rally. Well, yeah, 633 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: I guess that's uh, that's the case, Genie. Is it 634 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: important to delineate between these two cases though, since you're 635 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: gonna hear Donald Trump prefer to Hillary Clinton as long 636 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: as this is alive, yeah, he will. And she, to 637 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: Rick's point, should not take the bait. I mean, this 638 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: is the same thing he's taking Biden's bait, she's taking 639 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: his bait. She should be quiet on this. And the 640 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: reality is these are two completely separate issues. For one, 641 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump took to his home that was not sick cure, 642 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: these these papers that belong to the government and are confidential, 643 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: then for a year when he was asked to return them, 644 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: did not return them. He admits to all that that's 645 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: a far cry from what Hillary Clinton was accused even 646 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: of doing. And you know, but politically this doesn't help 647 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: her and it doesn't help Democrats. She should stay out 648 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: of the fray, let him talk and not respond. And 649 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: and you know she's had trouble doing that and that 650 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: works to his benefit, and he'll keep going at r 651 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, this is part of the stump speech, right, Rick, 652 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna hear her name every time Donald 653 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: Trump's at a podium between now and I don't know when. Yeah, 654 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and and by the way, that's been the 655 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: case for a long time. The difference here is you 656 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: actually heard her respond and and not just a rookie mistake. 657 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, Look, a lot 658 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: of people have checked out on Donald Trump, right, I mean, 659 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: the reason he's got a favorability rating, blow fort is 660 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: because the rest of the country has moved on. They're 661 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: not relitigating the last election. They're not worried about, you know, 662 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's emails. And yet this is how he keeps 663 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: in the news. And the fact that we're spending all 664 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: this time talking about him and the charges city makes 665 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: that have no bearing in reality is exactly what he 666 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: wants us to do, which is which is on all 667 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: of us here in of course, the media. I've got 668 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: one more story for you now that I've got you 669 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: both together here. Big news from Russia today with another 670 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: round of sanctions against America and uh, none other than 671 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: on this list. There's a couple of actors on this list, 672 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: including this one justin let him have it all. There's 673 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: some tasty ebbs, cool buzz, Jeff Spiccoli targeted by Vladimir Putin, 674 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: Sean Penn of course, also Ben Stiller. These are the 675 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: two so Zoolander and Speccoli have been sanctioned by Vladimir Putin, 676 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: along with UH five citizens permanently banned from entering the country. 677 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: Here it includes senators and analysts at a couple of 678 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: think tanks. Uh rick. How do they write up these 679 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: lists here? I mean, are they just kind of throwing 680 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: darts or do they think they where This is really 681 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 1: going to get the Americans when they find out Sean 682 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: Penn is on this list, We're getting close to home. 683 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: I thought cannabis was illegal in Moscow. I mean, you know, 684 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: there's clearly some serious dope smoking in the Kremlin going on. Wow. 685 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: I mean I actually was wondering why on you know, 686 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: TV last night were they were they showing fast times 687 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: at Ridgemont High. Now I know it was all because that. 688 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't even need to turn up the sound. And 689 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: Ben Stiller, really, Genie, I mean, I actually he he 690 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: at least went over there. They both have I think, 691 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: to meet with President Zelenski. But like, who's informing this 692 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: conversation here? Is it? Is it Dennis Rodman? Did he 693 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: make his way over there to free Brittney Grinder? What 694 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: what world are we in? That's right? Who boy, could 695 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: you have against Greg Fokker? One of the best and 696 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: you really shouldn't attack him. And of course they both 697 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: did visit, and you know, um, I was just walking 698 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: meet watching Meet the parents and the other day it's 699 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: a mostly I don't know what Vladimir Putin has against him. 700 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a good one. Producer Christine says 701 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: Baccoli cannot enter Russia anyway without a shirt or shoes, 702 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: no dice. Thanks to the panel, Rick and Genie. Great 703 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: to have everyone back together on the fastest hour in politics. 704 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: Will have details on the Massachusetts primary tomorrow. I'm Joe Matthew. 705 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg.