WEBVTT - How Andreas Vesalius Proved Women Have Just as Many Teeth as Men

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with I Heart Radio. We can't not talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Andreas Vesalius. He was a sixteenth century Flemish anatomist whose

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<v Speaker 1>work revolutionized the study of the human body. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to do so because he was also a

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<v Speaker 1>body snatcher, who used his hands on observations to publish groundbreaking,

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<v Speaker 1>forward thinking works about how our bodies function. And in

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<v Speaker 1>doing so, this body snatcher became the father of modern anatomy.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria tru Marquis and I'm Holly Fry. First,

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<v Speaker 1>a little administrative detailed to noon. Andreas Vesalius is actually

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<v Speaker 1>the Anglicized form of the Dutch name Andre's von Vizel.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a common practice among European scholars during the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen century to anglicize their names, and you might see

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<v Speaker 1>his name with many other spellings and pronunciations. We have

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<v Speaker 1>encountered six other versions during research, and we are confident

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<v Speaker 1>we did not find them all. We're going to refer

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<v Speaker 1>to him by his commonly used name, Andrea's Vesalius, and

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<v Speaker 1>with that out of the way, Andreas was born, as

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<v Speaker 1>we said, Andrey's van Vesel on December thirty one, fifteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>to Anders von Wiseel and Isabel crab in Brussels, which

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<v Speaker 1>at that point was part of the Habsburg Netherlands. Andreas

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<v Speaker 1>had two brothers and a sister, and when he was thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>after finishing medical school, he married a woman named and

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<v Speaker 1>van Hama, the daughter of a wealthy counselor of Brussels.

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<v Speaker 1>The couple welcomed a daughter, also named am in fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty five. The von Vosso family was full of physicians

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<v Speaker 1>and pharmacists. The sands is great grandfather, Yawn, taught medicine

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<v Speaker 1>at the University of Luven. His grandfather, Averard, was the

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<v Speaker 1>all physician of Emperor Maximilian. His father, too was a

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<v Speaker 1>healer and served as apothecary to Maximilian and later Valet

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<v Speaker 1>de Champ to its successor, Charles. The fifth Andreas family

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged him to follow in the family tradition, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did and with great success. The sixteenth century has often

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<v Speaker 1>been called the century of anatomy, kind of perfectly nicknamed

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<v Speaker 1>for Andreas's time. During his primary years, he attended the

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<v Speaker 1>Brethren of the common Life in Brussels, at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of fifteen, he enrolled in the University of Luverne, which

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<v Speaker 1>we know today as the Old University, attending from fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>nine till fifteen thirty three. Andreas studied at least initially

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<v Speaker 1>the arts, including rhetoric, philosophy and logic in Latin, Classical,

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<v Speaker 1>Greek and Hebrew. At the Collegium Trilingue, Andreas became interested

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<v Speaker 1>in anatomy and surgery and showed skill in those areas.

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<v Speaker 1>He soon acted as the de facto anatomy instructor on

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<v Speaker 1>an in for normal basis, demonstrating anatomical dissections to his

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<v Speaker 1>fellow students. After receiving his bachelor's degree in medicine in

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thirty three, he continued his studies at the prestigious

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<v Speaker 1>medical school at the University of Paris. While in Paris,

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<v Speaker 1>Andreas studied under famous physicians and anatomists, including French anatomist

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<v Speaker 1>Jacobus Silvius and Johann Gunther Von Andernach, an osteologist and mycologist.

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<v Speaker 1>Said Johan of his pupil, quote, the Salius is a

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<v Speaker 1>young man of great promise, possessing an extraordinary knowledge of medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>proficient in Latin, and Greek, and very skilled in dissection

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<v Speaker 1>of bodies. It was in Paris for Andreas was first

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<v Speaker 1>given the opportunity to dissect a human cadaver. It's probably

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<v Speaker 1>actually safe to say cadaver's plural in this instance. During

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<v Speaker 1>this time he devoted much of his study to human

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<v Speaker 1>bones and the skeletal system. In fact, in his own words,

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<v Speaker 1>he has said the following about body snatching for his

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<v Speaker 1>education quote, the cemetery of the Innocence in Paris was

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<v Speaker 1>where I began my study of bones, in company with

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<v Speaker 1>Matteis Terminus. There we found a rich supply of bones,

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<v Speaker 1>which we examined over a long period until we were

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<v Speaker 1>able to make a bet with our fellow students that

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<v Speaker 1>blindfolded we could identify by touch alone any bone which

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<v Speaker 1>they pulled from the piles over a half an hour

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<v Speaker 1>period and handed to us. We were forced to these

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<v Speaker 1>links because, though eager to learn, we had no teachers

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<v Speaker 1>to assist us in this aspect of medicine. Andreas left

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<v Speaker 1>Paris though before he graduated, but not because of any

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<v Speaker 1>academic failing. While he was studying at the university, the

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<v Speaker 1>Italian War, which spanned fifteen thirty six to fifteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight broke out. This was a conflict between King Francis

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<v Speaker 1>the First of France and Charles the fifth Holy Roman

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<v Speaker 1>Emperor and King of Spain, and a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>was fought in France. Andrea's returned to the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Leuven and in early fifty seven transferred to the Universe

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<v Speaker 1>of Padua in what was then the Republic of Venice.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time Andreas enrolled, the university was known to

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<v Speaker 1>have a progressive medical program with a strong emphasis on

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<v Speaker 1>anatomical dissection. It was a famous center of medical education

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<v Speaker 1>during the Renaissance. It said at one time the anatomy

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<v Speaker 1>college brought in a troop of musicians to play throughout

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<v Speaker 1>a dissection to set the right kind of sober scene.

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<v Speaker 1>At Patua, he performed several human anatomical dissections and analyzed

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<v Speaker 1>at least two skeletons in the spam of just one year.

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<v Speaker 1>Andreas received his Doctor of Medicine degree with highest distinction

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<v Speaker 1>in December of fifty seven, and just one day after

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<v Speaker 1>his graduation, the Senate of Venice nominated vi Salius as

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<v Speaker 1>Professor of Surgery at the University of Padua. He accepted

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<v Speaker 1>the position and was responsible for lecturing in surgical topics

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<v Speaker 1>as well as giving anatomical demonstrations. We're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a brand for word from our sponsor now and when

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<v Speaker 1>we return, will share Andreas's advice to would be body snatchers.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Criminalia. Andreas Phuslias wasn't shy about criticizing

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<v Speaker 1>his teachers for studying the carcasses of cats, dogs, and

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<v Speaker 1>pigs rather than humans. Let's talk about how a little

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<v Speaker 1>body snatching could go a long way when you study anatomy.

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<v Speaker 1>As Alius was one of the first physicians to accurately

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<v Speaker 1>record and illustrate human anatomy based on his own findings

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<v Speaker 1>from autopsies and dissections. His work directly led to improved

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of the human body as well as enhanced surgical techniques.

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<v Speaker 1>We've spoken throughout this entire season about surgeons and physicians

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<v Speaker 1>interested in human anatomy who employed grave robbers so they

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<v Speaker 1>could get their jobs done. Some engaged in body snatching themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>The Salius was the latter. He felt strongly that book

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<v Speaker 1>learning alone could not be enough, and that verifiable evidence

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<v Speaker 1>should take precedence over written text. There's a story that

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<v Speaker 1>says he snatched a body while he was a student

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris, just so he could have a skeleton for

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<v Speaker 1>reference in his work. Before the Salius came on the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>An anatomical lecture and dissection kind of looked like this.

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<v Speaker 1>A professor sat in the chair teaching from a textbook. Concurrently,

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<v Speaker 1>a surgeon would perform the dissection, and students sat around

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<v Speaker 1>and observed. There was no divergence from the text. The Salius,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, accomplished his work by not reading

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<v Speaker 1>about bodies, but by snatching bodies from local graves and

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<v Speaker 1>directly studying them. He often led his own students to

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<v Speaker 1>the graveyard, imparting his grave robbing knowledge along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>It was smart. He told them to keep an eye

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<v Speaker 1>on any terminal patients in public hospitals. He taught and

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged his students how to acquire a set of duplicate

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<v Speaker 1>keys for local graveyards to break into tombs. He also

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<v Speaker 1>advised them to watch the gibbets for corpses. Hanging the

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<v Speaker 1>body of an executed criminal in chains was known as gibbeting.

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<v Speaker 1>He successfully negotiated with judges and authorities to make long

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<v Speaker 1>life sentences into death sentences instead and once the prisoner

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<v Speaker 1>was executed, their body would end up on his dissection table.

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<v Speaker 1>He would never, though, have considered himself to be like

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<v Speaker 1>the resurrection men that we have talked about in other

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<v Speaker 1>episodes this season. Andreas just needed the tools for his job,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is how he saw things. This was how

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<v Speaker 1>things went, though if he were among the Renaissance era anatomists.

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<v Speaker 1>Historical accounts tell a lot of narratives. Actually that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>something like this. After the death of a local, hasn't,

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<v Speaker 1>local scholars rushed the scene, all hoping to illegally snatch

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<v Speaker 1>the fresh corpse. Despite the illegality of the body snatching

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<v Speaker 1>and the dissection, crowds packed lecture theaters when public dissections

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<v Speaker 1>were held. In fifteen thirty eight, one year into his professorship,

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<v Speaker 1>Andreas published the Tabulae and atomic a sex or Six

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<v Speaker 1>Anatomical Tables, which were six sheets created by the Flemish

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<v Speaker 1>artist Jan van Kulkar, an apprentice of Renaissance painter Titian,

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<v Speaker 1>but based largely on Visalius's own drawings. Titiano Viccellio, known

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<v Speaker 1>in English as Titian, was an Italian painter during the

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<v Speaker 1>Renaissance and is considered to be the most important member

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<v Speaker 1>of the sixteenth century Venetian School. Six Anatomical Tables was

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<v Speaker 1>Visalius's attempt to outline the long history of human dissection,

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<v Speaker 1>starting from the third century BC. It can feel somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelming to think about the impact on as his work

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<v Speaker 1>had on medicine. By the end of fifteen thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>he had assembled a collection of anatomical information large and

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<v Speaker 1>detailed enough on which he could and did base illustrations

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<v Speaker 1>on the human bodies, parts and organs, really all systems

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<v Speaker 1>from head to toe. He drew detailed composite illustrations of

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<v Speaker 1>the human bodies anatomical structures, including the skeletal system, circulatory system,

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<v Speaker 1>organ systems, muscular systems, nervous system, and reproductive system. Based

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<v Speaker 1>upon his observations and dissections that he performed himself. Within

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<v Speaker 1>the first year of his professorship, the Salius wrote and

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<v Speaker 1>illustrated the first comprehensive textbook of anatomy, called the human

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<v Speaker 1>E Corporus Fabrica Libra Septum, or the Seven Books on

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<v Speaker 1>the Structure of the Human Body. It is commonly known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Fabrica. Historians estimate that he must have had

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<v Speaker 1>at least thirteen cadavers to work with. Before fifty three,

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<v Speaker 1>which is when the book was published, these bodies would

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<v Speaker 1>have come from cemeteries in the city, places of execution,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes from hospitals. In fifteen forty two, Vissalius traveled

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<v Speaker 1>from Padua to Venice, and while it's not exactly clear

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<v Speaker 1>what his journey entailed, we do know that he met

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<v Speaker 1>with Jon von Kalkar. It's very likely he was the

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<v Speaker 1>artist who transferred at least some of Assalius's illustrations into

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<v Speaker 1>woodblock prints. Wood block printing, just to kind of sum

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<v Speaker 1>this up, because it's an interesting process, is an old

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<v Speaker 1>form of printmaking. These prints are created by carving the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of a wooden block. It's a form of relief

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<v Speaker 1>printing based on the idea that the parts that aren't

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<v Speaker 1>to be printed are the parts that get cut out,

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<v Speaker 1>so anything that will be printed would be on level

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<v Speaker 1>with the surface of the block. Andrea sent the woodblocks

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<v Speaker 1>of his drawings to printer Johannes Apornus in Basel, Switzerland,

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<v Speaker 1>who could mass reproduce the images, and the resulting manuscript

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<v Speaker 1>was published in fifty forty three. And as we've said,

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<v Speaker 1>that work was a game changer in anatomy and surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>The Fabrica included fully illustrated anatomy of male and female bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>both full bodies and body parts. There were more than

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred seventy detailed illustrations included in the work. It

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<v Speaker 1>included detailed diagrams of uteruses, some drawn with intact fetuses.

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<v Speaker 1>This was huge. Yes, this book was huge in length,

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<v Speaker 1>but also nothing like this existed and it was considered

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<v Speaker 1>quite radical. Before the sixteenth century, most medical texts were

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<v Speaker 1>mostly devoid of illustrations, the very opposite of Andreas's book,

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<v Speaker 1>says Lila Vercurdie, head of Special Collections at the Smithsonian Libraries,

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<v Speaker 1>the Fabrica was quote an immense achievement. This almost seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pages long, huge folio volume is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>heralds of the scientific revolution. Of course, Andrea's isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>first to study, teach, and publish about anatomy, but as

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<v Speaker 1>Arnaldo Benini, emeritus Professor of Neurosurgery and Neurology at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Zurich as well as former head of neurosurgery

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<v Speaker 1>at the Schultis Foundation in Zurich, says, the Fabrica was

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<v Speaker 1>the first anatomical book based on first hand dissections of

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<v Speaker 1>human cadavers, and he's right, it absolutely was. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>another really important guy among anatomists that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. We're gonna take a break for a word

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<v Speaker 1>from our sponsor, and when we're back we will talk

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about Galen and how Andreas disproved many of

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<v Speaker 1>his longstanding anatomical truths. Welcome back to Criminalia. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up this episode, someone will call Andreas vis alias

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<v Speaker 1>an insolent and ig arrant slanderer. But who Claudius Galenus,

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<v Speaker 1>known simply as Galen, was a renowned physician and philosopher

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient Greece. Along with Hippocrates, you could safely say

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<v Speaker 1>he's the most influential physician and most important medical scholar

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<v Speaker 1>of classical antiquity. When Vesalius received his medical education, it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been dominated by the works of Galen, works

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<v Speaker 1>that had been published thirteen hundred years earlier. Galen's writings

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<v Speaker 1>and teachings were still de rigor more than a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years after his death, and they were considered authoritative texts

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<v Speaker 1>in medical education in Vesalius's time. Here's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest differences between Galen and Vesalius. Almost all of Galen's

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<v Speaker 1>anatomical observations came from animal dissections, primarily apes and other primates,

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<v Speaker 1>but never from humans. Dissecting a human corpse was taboo

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<v Speaker 1>under Roman religion during Galen's time of study. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, it wasn't legal during Andreas' time either. During

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteenth century, many people believed in the resurrection of

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<v Speaker 1>the body after death, so interfering with the dead body

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<v Speaker 1>by dissecting it was really really problematic, but it still happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and that certainly did not stop Andreas from visiting the

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<v Speaker 1>graveyard on the regular. Galen's understanding of medicine, including anatomy,

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<v Speaker 1>was influenced by the then popular theory that there were

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<v Speaker 1>four humors blood, yellow bile, black bile, and phlegm. Humoral

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<v Speaker 1>theory was a system of medicine. It detailed a theorized

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<v Speaker 1>working of the human body, and it was adopted by

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Greek and Roman physicians and philosophers, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>adopted for a really, really long time too. Galen authored

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<v Speaker 1>his groundbreaking work called on the Nature of Man in

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<v Speaker 1>the Hippocratic Corpus, based on this theory. The most famous

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<v Speaker 1>work thought in the Hippocratic corpus is, of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hippocratic Oath, the famous oath of ethics taken by physicians

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<v Speaker 1>still today. Galen's works on dissection were problematic for visalias.

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<v Speaker 1>Galen worked from anatomical reports that were based at least

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<v Speaker 1>mainly on the dissection of barbary apes. He later, upon

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<v Speaker 1>discovering that the apes had humanlike facial expressions, switched to

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<v Speaker 1>other mammals, usually pigs. Galen believed personal experiences and observation

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<v Speaker 1>were the best way to gain anatomical knowledge, but because

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<v Speaker 1>dissection and vivisection on human bodies were strictly prohibited at

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<v Speaker 1>the time in the Holy Roman Empire, he could only

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<v Speaker 1>encourage his students to seek out corpses not for dissection.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, he would suggest that they look at dead

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<v Speaker 1>gladiators or bodies that washed ashore in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>better acquainted with the human body. The Salius wrote of

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<v Speaker 1>Galen quote, Indeed, those who are now dedicated to the

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<v Speaker 1>ancient study of medicine are beginning to learn, to their satisfaction,

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<v Speaker 1>and how little and how feebly men have labored in

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<v Speaker 1>the field of anatomy to this day, From the times

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<v Speaker 1>of Galen, who did not dissect the human body, and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact is now evident that he described, not to

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<v Speaker 1>say imposed upon us, the fabric of the ape's body,

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<v Speaker 1>although the latter differs from the former in many respects

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<v Speaker 1>on the nature of man, and Galen's anatomical work remained

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<v Speaker 1>uncontested until Vassalius's Fabrica was printed. Andreas had no reason

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<v Speaker 1>to question the theories of Galen. Those theories were in place,

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<v Speaker 1>as we've said, for more than a thousand years. Though

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<v Speaker 1>Visalius praised Galen throughout his work, he also corrected him,

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<v Speaker 1>and that had never been done before. The act was

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<v Speaker 1>viewed by many scholars as an attack on the accepted

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<v Speaker 1>Galenic doctrine. Andreas received heavy criticism from many who were

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<v Speaker 1>respected in the medical community, including his former teacher Jacobus Sylvius,

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<v Speaker 1>who called him quote the insolent and ignorant slanderer who

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<v Speaker 1>treacherously attacked his teachers with violent mendacity, and time and

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<v Speaker 1>time again distorted the truth of nature. Here's a look

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<v Speaker 1>at some of the inaccurate ideas that his observation based

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<v Speaker 1>works disproved. He disproved Galen's assertion that men have more

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<v Speaker 1>teeth than women. He disproved the two horned uterus, the

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<v Speaker 1>five lobed liver, the seven segmented stern um, the double

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<v Speaker 1>bile duct, and he proved there is no bone at

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<v Speaker 1>the base of the heart. There's more, and we encourage

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<v Speaker 1>you to look it up if you're interested. Actually, some

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<v Speaker 1>of our historical anatomical beliefs are really quite a trip

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<v Speaker 1>over the years. According to Dr William Richardson, classicist at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Auckland, some people in the medical field

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<v Speaker 1>condemned the Salius's Fabrica for his audacity in questioning and

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<v Speaker 1>criticizing Galen, but there were others who did praise it.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we move on, one thing about Richardson. Richardson is

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting guy when it comes to the Slias. In

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<v Speaker 1>nine nine he began the enormous project of undertaking the

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<v Speaker 1>first English translation of the seven book collection of on

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<v Speaker 1>the Fabric of the Human Body. In two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the project he and anatomy professor John Carmen began was

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<v Speaker 1>complete twenty years later. Two weeks after publishing The Fabrica,

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<v Speaker 1>the Salius published again his work, The Humanic Corporus Fabrica

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<v Speaker 1>liborum Epitome or Abridgment of the structure of the human

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<v Speaker 1>body consisted of eleven woodblock prints that included illustrations of

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<v Speaker 1>the skeleton, muscles, nerves, veins, and arteries. The epitome differed

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<v Speaker 1>from the Fabrica though in that, for instance, the muscles

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<v Speaker 1>were drawn in their natural resting position and in layers

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<v Speaker 1>showing the way from superficial to deep, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>view helpful to surgeons when operating and treating wounds. Following

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<v Speaker 1>the release of the Epitome, when you think he may

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<v Speaker 1>have been at the top of his game here, as

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<v Speaker 1>Salius resigned from his professorship at Padua and subsequently and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps hastily burned his entire collection of notes and sketches.

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<v Speaker 1>Some historians believe this was in reaction to the negative

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<v Speaker 1>reception or his perceived negative reception, of the Fabrica. Upon

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<v Speaker 1>leaving Padua, of As Salius moved to Madrid, where he

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<v Speaker 1>became court physician of Charles, the fifth Holy Roman Emperor

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<v Speaker 1>and King of Spain. With this, Andreas became the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>generation of the Vassalius family to be an imperial service.

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<v Speaker 1>When Charles advocated the throne, he granted Andreas a lifelong

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<v Speaker 1>pension and gave him the title of Count Palatine for

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<v Speaker 1>his loyal service. Thessalius then held the same role of

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<v Speaker 1>physician for Charles's son, King Philip the Second of Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Visalius was increasingly called to act as a physician

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<v Speaker 1>and surgeon, he did not abandon in his former work

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<v Speaker 1>for the royals, and continued to edit and refine his

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<v Speaker 1>writings and drawings. He did not teach or body snatch

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<v Speaker 1>in Spain, at least not that we know of. It

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<v Speaker 1>was during his time in Spain when Andreas wrote what

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<v Speaker 1>would be his final work, a critique of the anatomical

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<v Speaker 1>observations of his contemporary Gabriella Fallopio Spain forbade dissection of

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<v Speaker 1>human cadavers, and according to medical historian James Ball, it's

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<v Speaker 1>doubtful that Vissalius could have even quote touched a dried skull.

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<v Speaker 1>But he continued to work on his editions and corrections

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<v Speaker 1>of the Fabrica while in Spain, of which a second

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<v Speaker 1>version was published in fifteen fifty five. The revised edition

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<v Speaker 1>is considered itself a major contribution, rather than just an

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<v Speaker 1>update of the earlier version. In fifteen sixty four, Vissalius

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<v Speaker 1>left Spain with his family While his wife and daughter

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Brussels, he undertook a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. The

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<v Speaker 1>reasons for this journe they have never been completely explained,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's his return that we're concerned with right now.

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<v Speaker 1>His ship was caught in a storm and washed ashore

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<v Speaker 1>on the Greek island of Zakinthos. The Salius did not

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<v Speaker 1>recover and died at age forty nine in October fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four. So I guess that means he wasn't dissected

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<v Speaker 1>on a dissection table. Unlikely, so probably. But shall we

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<v Speaker 1>give a toast to the man who is considered the

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<v Speaker 1>founder of modern anatomy. Yes, although the name he might

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<v Speaker 1>find insulting, but it's really just because I enjoyed the

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<v Speaker 1>word play of it. He might have too, we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he would. Maybe he would. In thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about this one, this is a choose your own adventure situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Always love those, and it will surprise you, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>because what I started to think about was the Salius's

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<v Speaker 1>Flemish origin, and thus Belgium, and thus beer Holly goes

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<v Speaker 1>down the beer path. I'm not a beer drinker. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't love beer. However, a few things. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I have noticed recently is that more and

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<v Speaker 1>more there's like this resurgence or maybe first wave of

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<v Speaker 1>popularity of beer cocktails. I don't know if you have

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<v Speaker 1>encountered them, but I keep seeing them popping up on

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<v Speaker 1>menus places. I've been seeing them pop up as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't. I can't say I have any experience, but

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<v Speaker 1>I yeah. And so I thought I may not be

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<v Speaker 1>a beer drinker, but I thought a couple of things. One,

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<v Speaker 1>how could I make beer more palatable to myself? And

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<v Speaker 1>two maybe beer drinkers would like a cocktail as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I got, of course, to thinking about beer cocktails.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is not really a new thing. They've been

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<v Speaker 1>made in Europe for literal hundreds of years. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>the basic beer cocktail, although what it consists of you

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<v Speaker 1>may find disagreement on. Is called a shandy. Oh, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>the sandy, and it's equal parts beer and something else,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's something else people argue about. But often you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see it going back to the older versions of even

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<v Speaker 1>either equal parts beer and ginger ale or ginger beer.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I thought, let's try a little shandy experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm gonna call Galen Sculp Galen. Oh, I see

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<v Speaker 1>where you're going here. That's why he's like, how much

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<v Speaker 1>of this could I take a part? But I like alliteration.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna start. You're gonna do equal parts of a

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<v Speaker 1>pale ale get a good one. And I went with

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<v Speaker 1>ginger beer. And then here's the choose your own adventure part.

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you again, I know and I do

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<v Speaker 1>not in any shade to any of the beer drinkers

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<v Speaker 1>in the crowd. All beer tastes the same to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is not a good taste. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>everyone likes beer, so I think we can be on

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think we can be on your side. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know there are people that like, really love beer,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can pick out all of the flavors and

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<v Speaker 1>the notes of a beer the way that someone would

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<v Speaker 1>do with wine, or that I feel like I can

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<v Speaker 1>do with vodka. But you have but you do have

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<v Speaker 1>an alcohol that is like that for you. People will

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<v Speaker 1>do that also with coffees and whatnot. Like everybody, I

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<v Speaker 1>do not have a palette that can pluck those notes

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<v Speaker 1>out food, so it all cases the same to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't love a basic shandy that is a

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<v Speaker 1>one in one. But then there are experiments, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is where becomes to choose your own adventure. In thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about what we talked about last week, where I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what might be fun is to throw a

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<v Speaker 1>little mango in there. I brought that over this week

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<v Speaker 1>and I used three ounces of pale ale, three ounces

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<v Speaker 1>of ginger beer, and about three quarters of an ounce

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<v Speaker 1>like flashed it in of mango syrup. And that got

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<v Speaker 1>real interesting and it's quite nice. I also did one

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<v Speaker 1>with a rose syrup. Of course, because I'm predictable, I

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<v Speaker 1>did one with grenadine, which is very yummy. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, actually I was imagining that before I

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<v Speaker 1>asked the question of how how was that? It pulled

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<v Speaker 1>out all of the fruity flavors of the beer, which

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<v Speaker 1>is quite nice. And then I also did one with

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<v Speaker 1>a habanniro syrup. I just made a little like half

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<v Speaker 1>sized versions of them. I wasn't drinking for drinks, although

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<v Speaker 1>since it's diluted, it's not a heavy a BV situation.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also just couldn't drink that much beer even

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<v Speaker 1>if I wanted to. That's the choose your own adventure

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<v Speaker 1>aspect is that I think you can play with whatever

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<v Speaker 1>syrup or even a liqueur. Now I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't played with liqueurs, so I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>would work and what wouldn't. I am confident and elderberry

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>liqueur would be great whenever I which is infrequently, but

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<v Speaker 1>whenever I bring up one of them, I'm always like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've got this elder flower and always want to

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<v Speaker 1>use it in things, and this is where I try. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>elder flower liquor in this would be great. So for

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<v Speaker 1>a nonalcoholic version, you can obviously do a non alcoholic

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<v Speaker 1>beer if you wish. However, if you want to just

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<v Speaker 1>sidestep that completely, you could also do I would do

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<v Speaker 1>like a lemonade and a ginger beer. It's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the same profile, but there are two things

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<v Speaker 1>that go nicely together and welcome other flavors to the party.

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<v Speaker 1>So just like a three ounce three ounce and then

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<v Speaker 1>three quarters of an ounce of your additive, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can feel a little bit like a scientist and an

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<v Speaker 1>experiment here, but also you can cater it to your

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>own tastes. You can be like, oh, you were doing

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>just the beer and the ginger ginger beer, that's very rudimentary.

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I like the Salius have done much more detailed investigation

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<v Speaker 1>and creation. And you've been tree the grave, you are, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is Galen's gulp. I actually really love the lemonade

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and ginger beer version, because that's another one that's great. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I always say loshaw her, but I really prefer lower

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>sugar stuff, especially in our current heat wave that's happening

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>in Georgia. Sugar and it's very quite refreshing. So I

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<v Speaker 1>have a picture of those now sitting in my fridge.

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.959
<v Speaker 1>The non alcoholic version delicious. So yes, if you try

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<v Speaker 1>this shandy, If you, like me, are just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>experiment and do new things, here is a way to

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<v Speaker 1>play with beer in your cocktails. And then, if you're me,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows you're never going to drink the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>beer you had to purchase to get the one that

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.640
<v Speaker 1>you wanted. You invite your friends over and you give

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<v Speaker 1>them your leftover beer and they love you. So easy,

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<v Speaker 1>so easy. I literally texted one of my best friends

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, Oh, I'm so excited you picked a

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<v Speaker 1>thing you don't like. I'll take care of that. For yet, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>or I'll have people over and we'll have shandies on

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<v Speaker 1>the deck and it'll be fun. I hope that you

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<v Speaker 1>are having fun whatever it is you're up to, and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that you have had fun with us today.

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<v Speaker 1>We are very grateful for your years and your time,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will be right back here next week with

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<v Speaker 1>another episode of Criminalia. Criminalia is a production of Shonda

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