1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Well, damn y'all keep adding words and let us to 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: this damn the second Ax. This is E from Salam. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: This is the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast. 4 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: I'm Peanut Tooman and this is the NFL Player Second 5 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: Act Podcast. And with me is always my trusted sidekick, 6 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: Deacon Reverend Hopper. 7 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: What's up baby? 8 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 4: What's up? Dog? 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 5: I don't know if you're gonna keep going there? No, 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 5: I just kept a two piece. Okay, well, thank you 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 5: for keeping it just as a two piece today. I 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 5: don't want the three piece. 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: So I do like the way that sure compliments your 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: hair though the gray and the white around the beard. 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 4: It is complimenting. 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: Well you you're coordinating. You're coordinating. 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 5: Some people wake up and have to work this, Peanut. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 5: Other of us we just show up like this, So 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 5: thank you. I appreciate all the compliments. Thanks to all 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 5: of our listeners and watchers as well, and want to 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 5: tell everybody else to continue to hit follow, give us 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 5: a review, hit light, give us five stars anywhere you 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 5: pick up your podcast where it's Apple Podcasts or iHeartRadio podcast. 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 5: Thank you as always, and Peanut, who is our guest today. 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: Hey, we got a special guest for y'all today. He 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: was a seventh round draft pick in the nineteen ninety 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: eight draft out of San Diego State. Thirteen year NFL veteran, 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: he played left and right tackle. Played in Super Bowl 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: thirty three with the Atlanta Falcons. He is a Chicago 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: native from my town. Now he's a big man in 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: Hollywood as a writer, producer, and he's a radio host. 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Ephraim Salaam. 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 4: Like, gentlemen like that. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you guys 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: having me here. 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: Man, this is gonna be fun. You a big clown 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: like us, and that's oh my god. Let's just get right. 37 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 4: Just your intro, I was like, oh yeah, I'm in 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 4: the right place. 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is I love this. 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: We just a bunch of big clowns, big kids, and 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 2: we just have fun. And yeah, man like lit's like, 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: how you mean, what's what's what's going on? 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm good man, I can't complain, you know, raising these kids. 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 4: I got two boys twelve. 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: And and eight, oh yeah, and twelve and nine now 46 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: just had a birthday and I'm their coach for coaching 47 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: in basketball. 48 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: Because you played basketball. 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 4: I did play basket You played basketball in. 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: College at State. 51 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I assure you, like, what was your best 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 5: game in basketball? Because we're gonna talk about football, but 53 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 5: what's your best game in basketball in college? 54 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? 55 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: We went up to Colorado. We were playing Colorado State 56 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: and the Rams. 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: I got in. 58 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 1: And we were down, and they had like this big 59 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: seven foot kid. He was just killing us, and so 60 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: coach like, hey, going there and be phiscal. So I 61 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: went in and I scored a ten points in a 62 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: row on okay, okay, and brought us back in the game. 63 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: So I'm hype. They called time out. I come to 64 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: the sideline. This is a real story. I come to 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: the sideline and I'm. 66 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 4: Like, we got everybody the team and dapping us up. 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: Coach is like, hey, good job, take a break, right, 68 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: take a break, get you back in there. You know 69 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: I didn't. This is in the first half. I didn't 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: play another minute in that basket y'all winner. 71 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: Who lose? 72 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: We lost a rus So what what I What did 73 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: the coach tell you after the game, Oh, we wanted 74 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: to work on some things whatever. But what I realized 75 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: much later is here I am I'd already been a 76 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: three year starter in football, I'm a left tackle, I'm 77 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety pounds, and I was outperforming his 78 00:03:53,880 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: basketball got basketball scholarship athletes. So as a coach, how 79 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: do you explain that? Like, how do you You can't, 80 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: It's nothing you can do. He messed up. So if 81 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: anybody comes in and it's like, well, I mean, who 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: are you recruiting? What's happening here? You got a guy 83 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: who comes off the football field, he's forty pounds heavy 84 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: than anybody on the team, and he's outperforming. So I 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: was like, at the time, I was mad, I'm like, 86 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: what's going on? 87 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 4: A coach? What hey? 88 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: I got were working on something? We got you, and 89 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: it just it made me feel like I didn't know 90 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: what it was. So I was like, damn, did I 91 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: do something wrong? And it clicked later, Oh, okay, that's 92 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: how you save your job. You save your job by 93 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: not letting someone from another sport come in and dominate 94 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: the people. 95 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 4: You have on Scott. 96 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 5: I think that's so important and it's just another great example, 97 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 5: and we see it all the time, whether it's the NFL, 98 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 5: college whatever, is that when the people upstairs they have 99 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 5: they need job security too. 100 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: So when they draft certain guys. 101 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 5: They're going to play, Like I don't care what anybody says, 102 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 5: Like they're gonna they can follow in their face for 103 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 5: two straight years. 104 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: If they're first rounded. We say they gonna play, they 105 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: gonna play. 106 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: It's funny that you brought that up, because I was 107 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: just telling this story out here. My twelfth year in 108 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: the league. I go to Detroit, right leave Houston, go 109 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: to Detroit and Jim Schwartz, head coach, just got there. 110 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: It was after the oh to sixteen U season with 111 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: with with with the Lions, and they called me to 112 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: bring me over. It's like, hey, we we got to 113 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: get this offensive line going right. We know you're a 114 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: left tackle. We drafted a kid and the first they 115 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: drafted a kid in the first round last year at 116 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: right tackle. Either you can push them or you can 117 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: push them out the way. And I said absolutely, let's 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: make it happen. Go through training camp. Clearly the better option, 119 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: Like everybody saw it. Everybody knew Scott Lindham was the 120 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and we too, you know, opening week and 121 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: got and offensive line coach Jim Swartz. They come and 122 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: they sit down and they talk to me and they say, hey, 123 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: thank you for all the work you've done, you've compete, 124 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: you've raised the level of the off all of these 125 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: wonderful things, but we can't start you. I said, what, 126 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: they won't allow us not to play this kid that 127 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: they drafted last year in the first round trash And 128 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: I said what? And I was like, who is they 129 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: with they? That is you, the head coach, You the 130 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator? Who is they that whole season we go 131 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: to Green Bay and warm ups, the kid goes the 132 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: wrong way, hits the tight end, hurts the tight end, 133 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: showing right. This is coach is going crazy. He from 134 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: your in this. We're in the middle of season. I 135 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: haven't played a down field goal. I'm I'm running in 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: there off on field goal. You're in you're starting. I 137 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: buckle up whole off line. Yeah, let's were ready to go. 138 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: Let's go do it. We received the kickoff, I'm getting 139 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: ready to run out on the field and I just 140 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: feel a hand on my shoulder. 141 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: Oh my god, the hand this is? I feel the hand. 142 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: I can't make this up. 143 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: I couldn't make it up. 144 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: And these are words that football players know. They this, we. 145 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 5: All know what that is. 146 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: That again, my offensive line coach was like, as I turned, 147 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: I see the kid running, buckling his chin strap going 148 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: out into the field. So what's going on? We got 149 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: a call from upstairs asking why he wasn't going into 150 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the game and to put him in the game. So 151 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: I just took my helmet off, right, But that's what 152 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: the league had changed. 153 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, man. 154 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: I know you're you're you're one of the writers on 155 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: the show bail Air. 156 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 5: Ye shout out, that's the show he was saying, the 157 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 5: Nasonal show right. 158 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: On that show, man, it's really good. Well we got 159 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: picked up for a third season. How influence you was 160 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: Will Smith on this too? I mean he has input. 161 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean he's an EP on the project, but they 162 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: really allow us in that writer's room to really build 163 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: out the show. I was extremely excited about it. I 164 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: got a great opportunity to come in and pitch a 165 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: lot of things for me as brothers up here African 166 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: American men. I didn't want to do a trophy show. 167 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do a show, even though it 168 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: was based on an original ip, The Fresh Prince of 169 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: bel Air, which is a comedy. Morgan Cooper, the creator, 170 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: created this beautiful sizzle that he dropped on YouTube about 171 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: a dramatic look at the fresh Prince of bel Air, 172 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: and we wanted to speak to some of the issues. 173 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: But the biggest thing for me is I wanted to 174 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: show what black excellence in black fatherhood looked like. 175 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 5: That was huge though Uncle Phil was like a great figure, 176 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 5: Like people don't understand that my father, he was for 177 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 5: a lot of people that didn't have father exactly. 178 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 4: So I wanted to continue that. 179 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: It's a great example. 180 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do a show about this kid 181 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: will Smith coming from Philadelphia to bel Air and teaching 182 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: the banks how to be black again, right, because under 183 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: those guides, the more influential you become, the more success. 184 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: You have, the less black you become. 185 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: And that's an insult to everybody sitting at this table 186 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: and everybody out there listening and watching this, who's who's 187 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: striving for greatness and have bettered their situation. You can't 188 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: tell me I'm less black because I played in the 189 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: NFL for thirteen years and I've had a successful career 190 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: outside of the NFL. 191 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: I'm still me. 192 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm still but the world sees me as African American, right, 193 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: So I wanted it to be of you know, when 194 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: you take a kid and you put them in a 195 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: situation you think is better for him, the traumas that 196 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: go with that. 197 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: Right, Let's talk about the real issues. 198 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: They didn't get it to They tapped on it a 199 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: little bit in the original, but in hours we get 200 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: to really live in these issues. What about these black 201 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: kids growing up in these affluent communities going to these 202 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: private schools? Right, That in itself is steep with all 203 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: types of trauma and pitfalls. So I really wanted to 204 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: talk and address things that you know, I got school 205 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: age kids. 206 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 4: Right. 207 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: We live in Studio City, Right, It's not like here 208 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: I grew up actually, when I came from scott when 209 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: we came out here, I. 210 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 4: Grew up in Inglewood, right, or on the other side 211 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: of the Inglewoods. Right over here. It's right over sixty 212 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 4: if and West Boulevard. My apartment. 213 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: Whenever I come over here, I drive by my apartment 214 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: building still there, right. And so I wanted to be 215 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: a part of something that showed us in a light 216 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: that I could be proud of that my kids can 217 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: sit down and watch and be like, oh, okay, what 218 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: what are blacks dads? What are black moms? What is 219 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: the Black Nuclear family unit. Yeah, we have problems. We 220 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: have problems, but success is available for everybody. And how 221 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: do you live in your success? And then teaching a 222 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: kid like Will that sports is not your only option, right, 223 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: so many of us in our communities thinking, oh, I 224 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: gotta you better be the best football player. 225 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 4: I got the besketball player in. 226 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: The world, in the world to change our outcome. But 227 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: if you put that same energy as you put into 228 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: sports and training into anything else, you'll be successful. So 229 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, that's to me, that's what the show it 230 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: really means. And I really you know, the creators and 231 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: the writers, the showrunners, Carla and all of all of 232 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: them are on the same page and worked really hard, 233 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, Rashid Newsome and TJ. Brady, Morgan Cooper, They've 234 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: all done a tremendous job. 235 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: That's what's up. 236 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 5: So, I mean, Chris Rock said it best in his 237 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 5: stand up He was like, you know, I live in 238 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 5: this neighborhood, huge houses. Like He's like, dude, I'm the 239 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 5: best comic in the world, in the world, Like I'm here, 240 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 5: and my neighbor's like it's like. 241 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 4: Right, that's the reality. 242 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 5: That is That is very much so the reality and 243 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 5: you just say it so well, and uh, you're a 244 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 5: deep thinker. I can we already know that about you, 245 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 5: and we'll dive into that a little bit more. Just 246 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 5: your whole upbringing by the time you went to college 247 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 5: at sixteen. 248 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: It's just crazy. But do you got something that works already? 249 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: Do you have some. 250 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: Going right back at right? Season three? We're good, right 251 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 4: back into it. 252 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: The one thing they know about me in the room 253 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: and I'm one of the only writers that is still 254 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: there from season one. 255 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 4: I was a part of this project. 256 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: I heard about the project in twenty twenty and I've 257 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: been We've had a few showrunners and I've been the 258 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: only constant throughout the life of the of the project 259 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: right now, So I anytime I pitch. So just for 260 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: those who don't understand what the writer's room is, so 261 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: say it's us three and you know, four other people 262 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: were sitting around the shotrunner. It's like, Hey, this is 263 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: what the story is this season. We want to you know, 264 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: do this, Like this big story this season was Will's 265 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: playing AAU basketball in season two. Well, I pitched that 266 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: because nobody in the room had ever played AAU basketball 267 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: and they didn't even the network execs didn't even know 268 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: what AAU basketball was My next question, but they were like, well, 269 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: he's playing on the basketball team in high school, so 270 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: we don't. 271 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: That's not as current kurrent is the AU model. 272 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: But once you explain that to him, like, oh, okay, 273 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: we get so if we if we sit here and 274 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: I pitched that, and I'll pitch it all the way through, 275 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: and they'll go, okay, all right, well let's put that 276 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: on a board, right, you write the pitch out, get 277 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: notes on it. 278 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 4: Can we do it? Can? When they say yes, then 279 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 4: you just build on that. Okay. 280 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: So now we need an AAU coach and a character. 281 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: It's just the nemesis for season the two. How is 282 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: Will going to respond? And my biggest thing was, I said, 283 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: the breach of trust between Uncle Phil and Will at 284 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: the end of the season one. 285 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,239 Speaker 4: We have to repair that, but we have to add 286 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: some obstacles. 287 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: So the Doc character who's ran the AAU team, Uncle Phil, 288 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: started noticing Will listening to him, right, he's changing. So 289 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: Uncle Phil feels like he's losing, right, his ability to 290 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: guide Will in a way that he's not benefiting from 291 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: just for Will. So you have this one character here, 292 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: and Uncle Phil here and Will in the middle, and 293 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: then throughout the whole season you have this pool back 294 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: and forth. Now that's good confidence. That's how you pitch 295 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: a story, and that's how it sticks because people can 296 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: understand that. So now we have a nemesis right now, 297 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: we have a safe place for Will, and he's in 298 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: the middle. He's getting pulled back and forth back, and 299 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: then you just you know, add stories around that. 300 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: So where were you at when you did this whole 301 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: this writer thing, Like, I know your wife, she got you. 302 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: Some some classes. Okay, so you know what I'm saying. 303 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: I had an idea for a movie in my head. 304 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: I've been talking about this for years, a romantic comedy 305 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: called The List, and I would always talk to her 306 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: about it and she was like, she was. 307 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: Like, Hey, why don't you just write it? And that's all. 308 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 4: I don't know what. 309 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what to write, Like, just open up 310 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: a book and start. I was like, I just go 311 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: that way, baby. So for my birthday she got me 312 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: like an introduction to screenplay course. It was a five 313 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: week course. We met one on Mondays for like four 314 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: hours in a in a loft in the Arts district. 315 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: Right. 316 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: It was like six of us who signed up for 317 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: the course, some dude and some guys lost person. 318 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 4: Right. 319 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: He had sold some shows, he was a writer and 320 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: this and that, and he just took us through character, 321 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: the whys, the wants, and then the technical aspect of writing. 322 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: And so I said, oh okay. So when I came 323 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: out of there, I met a good friend. I was 324 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: actually producing a movie. 325 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: Do you still even contact with that teacher today? 326 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 4: No? I don't. 327 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: That was like, that was like six years ago, I think. 328 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: And I was prior to writing, I was a producer. 329 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: I produced film and we were producing a movie called 330 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: The Intruder and Vancouver with Dennis Kuaid, Michael Ealy and 331 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: making Making Good. So we were on set producing that 332 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: and one of our social producers, her name is Victoria. 333 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: I was telling her about the list and she was 334 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: a writer. She was like, oh we should. I said, look, 335 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: when we get off of this movie, when we get home, 336 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna write this movie together. 337 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 4: And she was like okay. 338 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: She really helped me understand how to number one use 339 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: Final Draft, which is the software you need to be 340 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: a writer. Okay, it's difficult to learn it first, but 341 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: once you get it. It's all self explanatory. You can 342 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: just plug and play. And so we wrote the list together, 343 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: and the premise of the list is the married couple, 344 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: we've been married six seven years. The spark is gone. 345 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: So they get introduced to this fantasy of the list, right, 346 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: which is, if you're married, you get five people on 347 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: your list that you can have like a free be 348 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: with if you've ever met him once in a million chances, right, 349 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: So they're like super a list celebrities that you'll never 350 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: run into. So in reality, the list is, yeah, it's 351 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: just it's just make belief. Yeah, But what it did 352 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: was them talking about it sparks something in their relationship, 353 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: and then the wife meets somebody on her list and 354 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: things happen. She wakes up at the person's place, no 355 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: clothes on, in bed, she had got drunk. 356 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: She doesn't remember what happened. 357 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: So the comedy of coming to terms with that, telling 358 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: your part, telling her husband, and then her feeling like, 359 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: the only way I can make this right is if 360 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: I help you sleep with somebody on the list, right. 361 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: So you have a couple now navigating the rest of 362 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 1: the movie, and her trying to have him hook up 363 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: with an A list celet and he says, look, it's easy. 364 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: You're beautiful, right, you can go up to a man 365 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: and be like, hey, you're on my list, and that's easy. 366 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 4: If I go up to an A list. 367 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: Celebrit I'm going to jail, no doubt, I'm gonna get slapped, 368 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: which we do have. He does get slapped a couple 369 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: of times going to jail. But it was a romantic comedy. Uh, 370 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: it was fun. It was like, that was the first 371 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: thing I ever wrote, and it just opened up a 372 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: door for me. Yeah, it just took just being creative 373 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: took on a whole new meaning. So everything I see 374 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: now I can put in TV or or movie for him, 375 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: Like I could create a movie or TV show from this, 376 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: just being in and and the environment. I'm always looking, 377 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm always creating, I'm always in the ideas you turned off. 378 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I love that. 379 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 5: Hopefully we get you plenty of contact content, plenty of 380 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 5: content plenty by the time we get you up out 381 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 5: of here. 382 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 3: They tuned in, we'll be right back after a quick break. 383 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 3: As you're going around Hollywood. This is the one thing. 384 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 5: And we had to ask another guest a couple of 385 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 5: days ago about the same type of feeling. It's like, 386 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 5: how do you handle rejection? Like you've been so successful 387 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 5: in your whole life. I mean you did get pulled 388 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 5: back a couple of times from going into game obviously. 389 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's been putting the league long enough. You 390 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: deal with the projection. 391 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 5: But going around Hollywood pitching these scripts, you know, trying 392 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 5: to pitch these ideas, these movies, how do you like 393 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 5: cause you get told how many know how many more 394 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 5: times than you ever do? 395 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 4: Get told it's not even close. You can't even quantify it. 396 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like this is just part of the game, right, 397 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 5: And so how do you handle that, and how do 398 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 5: you relate that to maybe maybe your past life in football, 399 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 5: and how it's kind of prepared you for that. 400 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 4: So as a seventh round draft pick. 401 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 3: You already felt a little rejected. 402 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: Thirty two teams said no over and over and over again. 403 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: And so sitting there in ninety eight watching that draft 404 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 4: and teams it called, hey, get you in the third round. 405 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 4: Hey you ready? 406 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: You got to call it the third round? 407 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Hey man, wow, remember theft the draft is only two 408 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: days back then? Yeah, my first three rounds. Yeah, on Saturday, 409 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: fourth and seven, on Sunday. Yeah, So I'm like, yo, hey, y'all, hey, 410 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: everybody coming up. It's coming up, and it doesn't happen. 411 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: So you go to sleep and you wake up, you 412 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: turn it back on. Now you're sitting there, you get 413 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: some calls, Hey, fifth round, looking, take lineman, are you ready? 414 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: Are you ready? 415 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: It's coming now? It's half the people not more. By 416 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: the time the seventh round came up, the house was empty. 417 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: I turned the TV off, me and my brother. I'm like, 418 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: i gotta go to the movies, man, I gotta just 419 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: go get away. So as we were driving to the 420 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: movie theater in San Diego, get a call from Art 421 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: Shell tells me, hey, we're gonna draft you. I said, 422 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: what round is it? He said, you're not watching. I said, no, 423 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: this is seventh round. It's one hundred and ninty ninth 424 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: pick I said. 425 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 4: He said he can't make this. 426 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: He said, you can hear me breathing and just I'm 427 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: just like and he says, all you okay. I said, 428 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm pissed off. He said good, he said, because what 429 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is I'm gonna I'm gonna give you 430 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: an opportunity to come in here in training camp and 431 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: prove to us in every other team that passed on 432 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: you why they made a mistake. And from that moment 433 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: I hung up that phone, I was like, okay, it's 434 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: on me. 435 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 436 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: Right, So after the no, the one little opportunity and 437 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: you know, all the seven ground draft picks don't make 438 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: the team now, right, So when you get. 439 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: Out there almost like undrafted, it's almost like you're under. 440 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 5: You just there you're trying to fill out camp by Yeah, 441 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 5: sometimes you'd rather. 442 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: Go where you want to go a better situation. 443 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 4: The draft was going off. 444 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: When I got drafted, right when when when they're they're 445 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: talking about the picks that they came up, then you 446 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: see the little blip down there. 447 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 5: You know, they don't even they don't even about that. 448 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't have any footage of me getting drafted, right, 449 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what the tape is. 450 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 4: I don't even know have my name on the screen 451 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: or anything. 452 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: I say that to say get in the training camp 453 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: and have them just an opportunity. It opened up something 454 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: inside of me that I use in the real world 455 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: now to be able to go into that situation and 456 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: fight and claw, and by the end of the training 457 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: camp in the last preseason game, Marshield came to me 458 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: and said, hey, Ephraim, he's going to start. You'll play 459 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: the second quarter, he'll play the third, you'll play the fourth. 460 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: Whoever plays the best starting next opening day in Carolina. 461 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: So I put my I stood on the sideline with 462 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: my helmet and my mouth piece in the whole first quarter, 463 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: ready to go in. Now, the guy I was competing 464 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: with had been in the league five years. He was 465 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: a high dollar free agent that they had brought over 466 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: from Buffalo to play right tackle. He looked at it 467 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: as like a slight it was even competition, Like how 468 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: you gonna have me competing with a seventh round draft pick. Well, 469 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad he took that approach because he didn't take 470 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: it serious that one out there. I mean, I was 471 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: talking about trying to kill somebody and the priests, so 472 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: you know, right, anybody I'm. 473 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: About it's your super Bowl. I'm telling everything my whole life. Yeah, uh, 474 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 3: that's that's your super Bowl. That was your moment. 475 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: Me being able to get that starting job, my senior 476 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean, my uh, my rookie year and going all 477 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: the way and starting in the Super Bowl. 478 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: Youngest player ever start right, It's crazy. 479 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 5: It was like you, of course, that's something you don't 480 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 5: even think about that, that's not you didn't know. 481 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: That was just make the team. 482 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: I didn't know any of it. 483 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to be part of the team, 484 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: like this is my dream in the NFL. And so 485 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: when you translate that to that was the hardest thing 486 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: I'd ever done in my life. Okay, it's the hardest 487 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: thing I've ever done work wise. Yeah, nothing outside of that, 488 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: it is gonna be harder. But I take that approach. 489 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: You tell me, no, it's good, thank you. I'm gonna 490 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: go over here. All you need is one yes. 491 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 4: That's it. 492 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: It's not for everybody. It's that Okay, I got you, 493 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate you. 494 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 4: You go over here. I don't know we good? Go 495 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 4: over here? Know we good? 496 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: When you're going around on this hamster wheel of no's 497 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: when you step off, you don't know. When you stepping off, 498 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: you don't know if that next one is gonna be 499 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: a yes. Right, So if you want it, you keep 500 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: I've had I had bad days in that rookie year 501 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: in training camp. I was like, oh, they're gonna cut me. 502 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting cut. That's when I used to walk around, 503 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: knock on your door. Come, bring your playbook of coach. 504 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: You want to see you in the playbook? Right I 505 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: bring your playbook. Bring your playbook right now? Bring path Yeah, 506 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: bring it right now. We had this big ass binder. 507 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: It's like, so I still got money. 508 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm always under the mindset of I've already 509 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: done something that's almost impossible to do. Yeah, if you guys, 510 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if you realize this, but less than 511 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: zero point one percent of the world's population can. 512 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: Be professional athletes. 513 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: Less than zero point one percent of seven and a 514 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: half billion people can do what we've done. 515 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: Pretty small. You already won. 516 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 4: Why did you let a no stop you? Now? 517 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: So when you get into your second career, keep that 518 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: same energy, keep the same energy. 519 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 4: Why stop? Why quit? Now? You didn't quit? Then? True? 520 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: And I know somebody told you no. What I know 521 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 3: somebody told you know it. 522 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: First of all, they I'm an athlete, So you guys 523 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: know they don't want you ever out of that box. 524 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: No type cast. You can't you stay anything other than 525 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: talk about football, look at football, answer questions about football. 526 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: But in reality, you think a doctor all he does 527 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: is talk about surgery or a dentist talking about teeth 528 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: whitening or no, you we live. But because we're so 529 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: exceptional as something, then people think, oh, okay, they only know 530 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: about that. But you look at any sportscaster or any 531 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: analysts who never played. How do they get a chance 532 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: to do that and we don't. I love talking about basketball. 533 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: I know basketball, That's my first love. I tell people 534 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: I just pay football to play the bill, pay the bills, 535 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: but I love basketball. We could sit and we can 536 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: go back and forth of basketball. But when I came 537 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: out of when I retired, I was hey, we want 538 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: you to come do this football show and I was like, uh, 539 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: not really your jam I like to talk all sports 540 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, but you're First of all, 541 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: it was an offensive lineman. So there wasn't any offensive 542 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: linemen on television talking about anything football or anything. And 543 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: so the person that they had to see my personality 544 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: and it's the same thing. Add value. I tell this 545 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: to young writers. I told it to young players. I 546 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: don't care how you got here. Once you hear you 547 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: gotta add value. If you don't add value, they will 548 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: replace you. The reason I'm still on bel Air add 549 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: value because I add value. Were all them? Remember they 550 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: make the decisions when this was my goal. Whenever they 551 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: get in the room and talk about who's coming back, 552 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: I want every single person, the network, studio and the 553 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: executives to all say Ephraim individually because if they say 554 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: your name, then it's resonating with what you do. Every 555 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: pitchure writer has they know I got extended on my 556 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: first season of bel Air from twenty to twenty four 557 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: weeks because I pitched something. The show's been out, so 558 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: now I got to talk about it. The Louse Smith character, 559 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: which is Will Smith's father in the finale, they didn't 560 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: know where his father had been for twelve years, so 561 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: they were like, hey, we don't want this. We don't 562 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: want them violent, we don't want a dead be dad, 563 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: we don't want an alcoholic. So everybody was pitching in 564 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: the room or what and I said. I was thinking. 565 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: I was like, damn, where can. 566 00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: You be. 567 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: For twelve years? And time stands still? And I said 568 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: what if he was in prison? And everybody laughed and 569 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: I said, no, listen, I said, my father worked in 570 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: the prison system for twenty five years. When I turned eighteen, 571 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: he took myself and my brother to work with him 572 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: the folksome prison. Hey man, let me tell you this, 573 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: it's a whole other world. Everything outside of those walls 574 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. So if we wanted to put the low 575 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: character somewhere where his son didn't know where it was 576 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: he was and he didn't have any access to his son, 577 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: then he's in prison now. Whether he's guilty or not, 578 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: we can discuss that. And you know, but that's where 579 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: he was. And I pitched. I said, Will was five. 580 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: His mom takes Will to see his dad for the 581 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 1: first time in prison. When they get there, he had 582 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: gotten into a fight or something, so he couldn't have visitors. 583 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: On the way back, she decided, no, not doing this. 584 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to expose this to my son. I 585 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: don't want him to think that this is an option. 586 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: So she kept him out of it, became a secret 587 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: of what happened, so on and so forth. They built 588 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: it around that pitch. Shoe runner Rashidnus called me the 589 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: next day and said, hey, man, where did that pitch 590 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: come from? I said, I was just thinking, man, and 591 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: I was just going through my I was explaining it. 592 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: And he said, well, let me tell you this. 593 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 4: They love it. 594 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: They love it, the studio, the network, everybody loves it. 595 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: And we told him you pitched it, and he said, 596 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: a writer's career can be established two or three of 597 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: those pitches, and you just got your first one. It 598 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: was awesome and with that we're going to extend you. 599 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: That's value. You want to talk about value, Yeah, I 600 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: was in the writer's room where people who've been doing 601 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: it ten, twelve, fifteen years, twenty years. When you step 602 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: in the door as a seventh round draft pick and start, 603 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: you've added value no matter how long the veteran guys 604 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: have been there. It's the same muscle. Yeah, you got 605 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: to use that to accomplish that. This is harder than 606 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: anything in the world. But because you did that, you 607 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: take that same energy, same focus, same sense of value, 608 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: and you add it to any other thing and I 609 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: promise to God you will be successful. You can't help. 610 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: But because nobody works like we did, you know, that's 611 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: that's so cool and it's very important. 612 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 5: It's you know, the more and more these podcasts we do, 613 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 5: and the more and more we sit here and we 614 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 5: talk to veteran guys that have been through the ropes 615 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 5: that are really established in their second act. We're talking 616 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 5: to coach Leslie Fraser and he was talking about the 617 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 5: same thing you just said. 618 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 4: It's like, man, make it two league. 619 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 5: Like that same energy that got you there, said that mindset, 620 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 5: you just got to put it in something else and 621 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 5: you're going to be successful. He's like, people don't understand, 622 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 5: like that is so hard to do, and you just 623 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 5: get used to doing it and all of a sudden 624 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 5: you come out of it and you don't know what 625 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 5: to do. You got to take that same energy and 626 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 5: effort and focus it into other avenues. I think that's huge. 627 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 5: One avenue. I think that you've done a good job 628 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 5: as well. It's like, and I want to hear about 629 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 5: this because we're talking about bel air and you know, 630 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 5: all the type casting and all the other stuff. 631 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: Do you try to make sure it maintained. 632 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 5: We're like, you know what, as I continue to rise up, 633 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 5: I got to reach back and pull others that look 634 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 5: like me, that come from maybe walks of life like me, 635 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 5: and try and bring them along to and get them 636 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 5: in the room so they have that same opportunity. 637 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I've always. 638 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: Been under the the ideals of if you're going to 639 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: be the first person through the door. If you're gonna 640 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: bust open the glass ceiling. Yeah, it doesn't close behind you, 641 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 1: but we're trained to think that it does because we 642 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: were raised in this country to think it could only 643 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: be one of us. 644 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 4: They're not gonna let us all up. 645 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: So if I get up there, I got to stay 646 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: up here? Are somebody going to replace me? 647 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 4: Now? 648 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: As time goes by and things become more accessible for 649 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: African Americans, that notion is hopefully dying down good, But 650 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: we're the ones that have to dispel it. Yeah, right, 651 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: because here I am. I'm not a trained writer. I 652 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: didn't go to school for this. I wasn't an assistant 653 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: than a writer's assistant and then a showrunners assistant and like, 654 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: I didn't come into the to it like that, but 655 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,479 Speaker 1: it didn't matter to me. Right, I came in, I 656 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: added value. I stuck and now I'm trying to pull everybody. 657 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: Everybody got a story. So if you we were over 658 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: to he was like, yo, look, man, I had this idea. 659 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Let's talk about let's put it together, right, 660 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: let's package it if it hit you want to do 661 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: something a show here and individually let's package it. We're 662 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: going together. We're going together. When I came and spoke 663 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: here on second Chris spoke to a bunch of players 664 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: who were, you know, want to know about transition and 665 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: all of that, I gave them out my number. I say, hey, man, 666 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: everything you do, everything you have, you already, you're already 667 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: the superhero. You're the superhero. 668 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 4: You made it. 669 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: So hit me up whatever you need from me to 670 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: help you navigate the next step. And if you want 671 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: to be in entertainment, then let me know. You guys 672 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: have phenomenal stories, phenomenal ideas because you able to look 673 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: at the world through a different lens than the rest 674 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: of the population. So I'm always my hands are out 675 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: and I'm pulling people up because we deserve that opportunity. 676 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 3: So what lens did you look at for you to 677 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 3: skip two grades? 678 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 4: So that's my mom, man. She My mother was an educator. 679 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: She got her PhD in education from UCLA, And so 680 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: before we even went to school with my sister's brothers, 681 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: we all knew how to read and write. 682 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 4: So you in kindergarten, you know how to read and write. 683 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 4: They're like, what was it? Yeah? Special, They're like, what. 684 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: Is happening right now. It was a B and which 685 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: is like a B C D like we're going through it. 686 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: We can read. And when I was in the first grade, 687 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: I was disruptive. No, well, it's probably because you were bored. 688 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: It was so easy. So they were like, well, his 689 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: work is great, but he's you know, I'm some six. 690 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know. I'm just me, you know, 691 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 4: and so normal. 692 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: I tested and so I went from first to third 693 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: and then from third to fifth. And there's a the 694 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: gift in the curse there. Scholastically, it helped me moving forward. Physically, 695 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: it was taking a lunch of money. No, but I 696 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: was I was always a big kid. But when I 697 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: look at my senior year in high school, and I 698 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: was six five, one hundred and eighty five pounds, And 699 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: then I look at what I was at eighteen, junior 700 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: in college, right, a red shirt sophomore in college, and 701 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn if I was this my senior year 702 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: in high school. My basketball coach, Jim Smirker, Jim, this 703 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: is for you, was furious at my parents, furious because 704 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: my senior year I averaged twenty four points twelve rebounds, 705 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: and he was so mad that he didn't have me 706 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: for two more years because your parents, because we I 707 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: skipped two grades? 708 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 3: Who does that? 709 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: Why would to do that? This is crazy? We can 710 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: win state if I had just one more year. 711 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 4: So it was. 712 00:36:59,680 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 2: It was. 713 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: A situation where physically I had to catch up. 714 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the classroom's fine. Physically. I was young. 715 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: It took me a long time to get into my 716 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 1: to my body. But once it hit it, it hit 717 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: took off. Running that summer between fifteen sixteen years. 718 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 4: Old, it was over. Brother, it was over, good, good, 719 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 4: good luck. You know. So it's my mom did that? 720 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're gonna get some fun courses 721 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 3: real quick. 722 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 4: Right now. 723 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 2: I want to ask you what was tough for writing 724 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 2: a screenplay or competing in the Amazing Race, which we 725 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 2: gotta do. 726 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 4: Oh, y'all would be great. Y'all want to do it? 727 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: I literally I think when they record, I think I'll 728 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 3: be working. 729 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 4: But it's all right. 730 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 5: Everything I got pitched to you, you say no, I 731 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 5: won't say no. Every day everything apps to him. I 732 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 5: would be challenged to an MMA fight. He don't want 733 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 5: to do it. Hey, let's do amazing the race. He 734 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 5: don't want to do it. I don't have the jaw 735 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 5: line to take punches. Come home, man, just tell it. 736 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 5: It was difficult getting a limited Well I got to 737 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 5: do that. Hold on, let me tell you the you 738 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 5: still you guys still hold the record in that. 739 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, you're the only team to be. 740 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: They changed how the show's done because of that. No 741 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: team will ever be in that situation ever. Again. 742 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 4: That was awful. I mean, you and Chester, so they're crazy. 743 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: But the behind behind the scenes of that is initially 744 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: it was gonna be my wife and I so we 745 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: love the show. Watched it from the beginning, loved it. 746 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: Somebody approached casting director approached her and her friends at 747 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: a club, was like, hey, would you want reality TV? 748 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: And she was like, you want to be on Survivor? 749 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: She was like, never, But my husband and I loved 750 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: the amazing race. Oh okay, what's your husband doing. He's 751 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL. You guys got to be on. You 752 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: gotta be on right. I couldn't do it while we 753 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: were playing because I didn't have a month to just 754 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: go beat just to be gone. You need one. You 755 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: had four weeks where you just off the grid, no phone, 756 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: no anything, And so I never had that opportunity. So 757 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: a couple of years after I retired, Hey are you 758 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: doing your wife? Still interested in doing Amazing Race. Absolutely 759 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: did the PaperWorks and then the video, did all these things, 760 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: and then I get a call from the casting director 761 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: and she was like, hey, so we just had a 762 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: former NFL player and his wife on one of the 763 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: previous seasons, So is there anyone else you want to 764 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: do it with? And I was like, yeah, no, I'm 765 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: not not doing that, So now thank you for the opportunity. 766 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 4: Boom. I didn't want to tell my wife that, So 767 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 4: she was going, what's going on with the Amazing Race? 768 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know, maybe we didn't 769 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: make it. And she was like, oh, okay, Well a 770 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago by she calls back, Hey, e 771 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: from I really we really want you to be on. 772 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 4: You just need another partner. 773 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: Hey, look, I'm not going to do that till my 774 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: wife all right, it's not we're not going to do that. 775 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: My publicist, Denise wife sends her a tape or a 776 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: copy of Chester n I Super Bowl commercial right the 777 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: O Bowl when we were playing for the Texans together, 778 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: and Lanne called me the next week and say Hey, 779 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: you gotta do it with Chester. I was like, how 780 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: you know Chester? She was like, I saw the commercial. 781 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: This is perfect the extect. They love it, They want. 782 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 4: You, so you know. I have a conversation with my wife. 783 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 4: She was upset, of course, and I was like, well 784 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 4: then I don't want to do it because it is 785 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 4: supposed to be our thing. 786 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: She was like, you gotta do it. It's our favorite show. 787 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: So I called Chester and asked. He didn't even know 788 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: what it was. I said, Chester, you want to be 789 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: an amazing race? He said, is at the show that 790 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: comes on after The Good Wife. That's what he said. 791 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: Never watched an episode, so he wasn't as vested in 792 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: it as I was. So having a partner who's not 793 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 1: locked in. 794 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 3: With you, I think that's where me and you would struggle. 795 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 2: At because I would be like like that's him. 796 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 3: Now, that's him. 797 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 4: Now you would go crazy like you would be like broh, 798 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 4: come on. 799 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 3: He was like, no, I'm good, hold on. 800 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: But what will happen is your competitiveness kick in? Yeah, 801 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: so you see somebody run by you and be like, 802 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: oh no, not today. 803 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 4: Right. 804 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: So you you have a task, you have to do 805 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: a roadblock or something like that and you see somebody 806 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: doing it fast, You're like, oh no, no. So during that time, 807 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: that's when it kicks in because that's that athlete, that's 808 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: that button, that switch. Yeah, you hit that switch. It's like, 809 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: oh you think you about to run path. Oh no, 810 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: you're not about to do that. But getting him going 811 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: every time, Chessa was like, man, we can go home 812 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: right now. I'm like, hey, no, man, no, let's not 813 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: go home right now. Let's just listen. 814 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 4: You know, you know me, got too much money, got 815 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 4: too much money. It don't hit it, don't hit. 816 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 3: Right all day. 817 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 2: He's like, man, You'm like, man, I'm not no, no, 818 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 2: I'm not doing that now. 819 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 3: Let's just go home. 820 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 4: I probably it's not like pick the peanut, picked somebody else. 821 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 5: I'm telling you right now, right next one. Who is 822 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 5: a better dancer? You or your wife? 823 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 4: Not even close. 824 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 3: I know your wife. She was a backup dancer. 825 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: She was a professional dancer for twelve years. Started on 826 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:16,280 Speaker 1: tours with Usher, Ricky Martin, Beyonce Destiny's Child. Rihanna toured 827 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: the world seven eight times. One of the best dancers 828 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: in the world. 829 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the story about how you first started 830 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 5: pursuing her. First of all, you met her, she was 831 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 5: about to smoke a cigarette. She said, yes, I'm gonna 832 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 5: do it, and then you know, she's traveling the world 833 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 5: and you're like, you know, and she was like, you 834 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 5: know what, when we're not together, you can do your thing, 835 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 5: ru and you and you, and it's just like, well that, 836 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 5: I mean, you're not supposed to see just that. 837 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 4: For one of our moves on me. 838 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 5: And then you were like, I mean the moment she 839 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 5: was going, I was like, what's she doing? But and 840 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 5: you're calling all the time listen, and you's just like, 841 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 5: I can't I can't be without a dog. 842 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 3: I think something. I think I love her. 843 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,959 Speaker 1: So we have been dating right a couple of months. 844 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: She was on tour in Europe. I'm playing for the 845 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: Broncos at the time. Yeah, so I would have to 846 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: catch her when she got off stage. This was pre 847 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: cell phones all over the world, right. I had to 848 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: go get to Motorola and get my cell phone unlocked 849 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: to even call international, and she didn't have an international 850 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: cell phone, so I had to catch her at the 851 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: hotel from when they were off stage or before they 852 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: went into the venue. So we had times that I 853 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: had to catch her, and I remember she came back, 854 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: she had a break, she came out and she was like, 855 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: this is hard, right, So look, I'm not gonna tell 856 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: you what you can do. How about this, how about 857 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: when we're together, we're together, when we're not, when we're 858 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: gone and I'm gone and you're doing your thing, you 859 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: do you and I'll do me. And I said, what 860 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: what what does. 861 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 4: Do you mean? 862 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: She was like, you know, just I don't want to 863 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: be like I'm you know, I'm holding you back or 864 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm just I was like, I was confused. I'm like, 865 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: I really like you. Look I like you too, but 866 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: I know I'm over in Europe and I'm going for 867 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 1: a month or two at a time. 868 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 4: Just do you. 869 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, she said, or we'll be together 870 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: with the travel without you know, whatever that is, we'll 871 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 1: lock in right now and be together, or we'll still 872 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: have a relationship when we get back together. Until I 873 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: was like, oh, do you know what the first thing 874 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: that popped into my mind? What was that her being 875 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,919 Speaker 1: in They were all over the world. I'm talking about 876 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,439 Speaker 1: South Africa, Paris, Italy, everywhere. Some of the biggest tours 877 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: on the planet Earth. The only The first thing that 878 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: popped into my mind was me calling her at the 879 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: hotel after a show and in Paris. 880 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 3: And it'd be like half episodes, right, yes, bro. 881 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like hey, She's like hey, I'm like, 882 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: what's going on. We're just having an after party and 883 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: all of that. And then I just hear some French 884 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: dude back there, mademoiselle as I said, people, we'll be here, 885 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 1: and she's like, look, I'm gonna call you later, okay, 886 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: by bye, pool, and I'm just I'm just sitting at home, 887 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: like so, I swear to God, that's that mark, that 888 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: that's the first thing. 889 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,760 Speaker 4: And control. 890 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,360 Speaker 3: She's this whole parties out of control. 891 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: And I was just like, nope, I want to be 892 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: with you together. She said, give you one more chance. 893 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: I said no, I'm man, I'm locked in. 894 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, click, we together, were together, We. 895 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 1: Together, We be I swear to God, twenty years ago, 896 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, I'm like, I'm not doing that. 897 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,879 Speaker 4: Cool French dude. I tell you, I can't kill people 898 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 4: with that. 899 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 3: Six thousand miles away, no chance, no check. 900 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: Five eleven, built like, oh my god, I'm like hell no, 901 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: Hell to the noll nope, I said, I'm good. I wait, 902 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't nobody else. That made you grow up quick. 903 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: It made me mature real fast. Instead of doing what 904 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: most guys would be like, oh, yeah, okay cool. 905 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 4: I was like, no, not this one. 906 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,919 Speaker 5: I loved that she was a keeper. I would say 907 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 5: this a little bit of advice. Maybe the more ladies 908 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 5: and people should try that. 909 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: Hey, man, look here, if put the carrot out there. 910 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 1: If he don't take the carrot, he ain't the one. Yeah, 911 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: put the carrot out there. 912 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 4: She dangled that thing in front of my face twice. 913 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I'm good, I'm we cool. 914 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: I want you. I just want you. That's it. We 915 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,839 Speaker 1: had that type of connection now, but we enjoyed being 916 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: around each other at the distance was crazy, but I 917 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: was like, man, I think. 918 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,760 Speaker 4: This is the one. That's awesome. 919 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: I was right, and I thank God every day that 920 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: I was mature enough to know that stuff up. 921 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 3: That's most definitely I still messed up. 922 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: I had been in the league six years, so you 923 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: know me, I was just like, wow, it open. I'm 924 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, there chilling. And I always thank god 925 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: that I had the maturity, yeah, to recognize what I 926 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: had and to not mess it up. 927 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, because early on I was. 928 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 3: Trying trying to mess it. 929 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 4: Man, I'm like I had to go to thera. I'm like, 930 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 4: but you got to. 931 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 3: It's so good this podcast, Like I was just messing up. Man. 932 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 3: Oh my god. All right, So, uh, Mount Rushmore? Who's 933 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,320 Speaker 3: on your Mount Rushmore? 934 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 2: You get four picks, four people that have had some 935 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 2: type of influence, inspiration something in your life. Wife, coach, player, 936 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 2: a writer, the actor, actress, producer, EP, an executive, me, Roman, somebody. 937 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 4: You up there, I'll put Artshelle up there. Loved that. 938 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 4: I like that. 939 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 3: Love that pick. 940 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: Arts Shell to me having him as a coach coming 941 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: into the league, can I can he? 942 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 4: No, I'm gonna give him their own dude, so art Shill. Yeah. 943 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: But before Artshell, Ed White, Yeah. Ed White was my 944 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: offensive line coach in college. Played fifteen sixteen years in 945 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: the league. All Madden played for the Chargers, the Vikings. 946 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm just like the epitome of an offensive line. I 947 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: was a defensive end. I went to college as a 948 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: defensive end and outside linebacker, and when I played scout team, 949 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,839 Speaker 1: I red shirted. Three offensive linemen got hurt, so they 950 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: took myself, Kyle Turley and another player and moved as 951 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: a scout team O line from the defensive line. 952 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:50,959 Speaker 4: Rom oh wow. 953 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: And so I'm out there literally at one, two hundred 954 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: and six pounds snapping the ball, blocking Leroy Glover, every 955 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 1: day practice, playing tackle, guard, center, everything but holding my 956 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: own because I was a competitor. Great feet, great hands 957 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: from basketball. And that next year coaches got fired and 958 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 1: ed and new group came in. I went back to 959 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: defense and he saw some practice table. He said, damn kid, 960 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: it's two hundred pounds out here moving it offensive line. 961 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,879 Speaker 4: See he want to start next year? I said, yep, 962 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 4: it be my left tackle. That changed my life. That 963 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 4: was awesome, changed changed my life. 964 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: I started my first game in college at two hundred 965 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: and forty pounds at left tackle against Reagan Upshaw. 966 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 4: Y'all remember him right? He stout a cow. He was 967 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 4: number one d N in the. 968 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 3: Nation, didn't He played for the Raiders. 969 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 4: That was my first college game. 970 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 3: Crushed him. 971 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 4: Wow his ass out. Yeah. 972 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: My dad after that game was like, you might have 973 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: a future this, but that's what That's what opened that door. 974 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,720 Speaker 1: So Ed White, first Art Chill, two great offensive linemen 975 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 1: saw something in me that maybe I didn't even see 976 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: at the time, gave me an opportunity to live the 977 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,319 Speaker 1: dream and to continue the dream. So I definitely put 978 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: those two up there. I know this is gonna sound corny, 979 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 1: but I'll put my wife up there. 980 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 4: It's not corn. 981 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 1: Because she changed my life. Like it's all it was 982 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,879 Speaker 1: all funny game, my story is great and all of that. 983 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: But she helped me mature faster than I probably would 984 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,359 Speaker 1: have because she was serious about it. She was like, hey, 985 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm if we're gonna be together, we're not gonna play 986 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: no games right And through me not wanting to mess 987 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: that up, I learned how to be a better me, 988 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: a better man, was turned into a better father. And 989 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: without her, you don't get to eat from you. You 990 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: get now so and I and I'm blessed because I 991 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 1: get to every day I get to be around that 992 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: I get to be She's one thousand percent supportive the 993 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,839 Speaker 1: second half of my career when I couldn't walk, couldn't hope, 994 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: Like every step of the way, every step of the 995 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,839 Speaker 1: way she sacrificed her career did. 996 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 4: She love to do for us? 997 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: It was hard to be in a relationship you and 998 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 1: Budapest and I'm a training camp and she came to 999 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,319 Speaker 1: me and it was like, look, I want to work 1000 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 1: on us. 1001 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 4: I'm stop dancing. 1002 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: And I wish that never would happen because she was 1003 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,439 Speaker 1: so great at it, you know, and that's a piece 1004 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: of her she'll never be able to get back. But 1005 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: she gave that up for us, so she's definitely up there. 1006 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: Chris Collins, he's a one of the most dynamic and 1007 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 1: prolific writers in Hollywood. 1008 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,879 Speaker 4: He was our neighbor. He was a good friend of mine. 1009 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: Our kids were in the same class together, and he 1010 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 1: gave me my opportunity start writing on a television show. 1011 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: He got me in the guild, the Writers Guild. It 1012 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: got me insurance because you know, at a certain point 1013 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to find insurance. Oh yeah, all right, 1014 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: so when you're coming out of pocket, you're like. 1015 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 4: How much it costs? What for the for everybody? And 1016 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 4: so he was like, look, don't worry about that, because 1017 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 4: I was telling him the story and he was just like, 1018 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 4: I got you. Don't worry. I want you to be 1019 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:25,359 Speaker 4: a part of the show. 1020 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,640 Speaker 1: It was a show called The Continental, based on the 1021 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,400 Speaker 1: hotel and the John Wick in the John Wick movies, 1022 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, but I'm not an assassin. He's like, 1023 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: nobody in the writer's room is an assassin. I mean so, 1024 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,600 Speaker 1: he said, but the thing that I like about you 1025 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: that nobody I don't care. He had kids from Harvard, Yale, 1026 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 1: that Princeton. They all went to writing schools and graduated 1027 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,959 Speaker 1: in the arts. He said, the thing that they don't 1028 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 1: have that you have is you've seen the world through 1029 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 1: a lens nobody can see. 1030 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 4: I need that in the writer's room. 1031 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,120 Speaker 1: I need you to be able to talk to and 1032 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,880 Speaker 1: about things that no one has ever been able to experience. 1033 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: And he gave me an opportunity to be in there 1034 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 1: and be a part of that, and that to me 1035 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: was everything because it allowed me to be. 1036 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:23,880 Speaker 4: Where I am now. 1037 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,280 Speaker 1: But it also taught me how to become a writer, 1038 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 1: how to become a professional, how to add value and 1039 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 1: continue to add value. Subsequently, enough, he brought me to 1040 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: bel Air. He was a showrunner at the beginning of it, 1041 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 1: and he brought me over to bell Air. Hey, I 1042 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,080 Speaker 1: know you're working on another project. I got something for you, 1043 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: so Chris will always be up there. I got one more. 1044 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,279 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can add five. I mean, yeah, 1045 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: this is it only it's only it's only, it's only four. 1046 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:51,920 Speaker 4: That's it. 1047 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm gonna add one more. That's my 1048 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 1: brother Dion. Yeah, he's my best friend. We grew up together. 1049 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 1: I've known since he was eleven. I lived with him 1050 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,959 Speaker 1: in high school. We have a company together called Hitting 1051 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 1: Empire Film Group, the largest minority film company we have. 1052 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,919 Speaker 1: And his he got me into sports. I didn't play 1053 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 1: any sports until high school. Okay, basketball for but I 1054 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 1: didn't play anything until ninth grade. 1055 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 5: And you guys, you guys did the one show with 1056 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,759 Speaker 5: Mike Epps, Right, yeah, they'll meet the Blacks. 1057 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 3: Yep, Meet the Blacks. That was it. That was your 1058 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 3: That was your guys. 1059 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 4: Meet the Blacks. Intruder fatal. 1060 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we've done seventeen eighteen movies and he's always 1061 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: been like, we can do it. 1062 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,359 Speaker 4: We got we want more. 1063 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,840 Speaker 1: Right, So, growing up with the best friend who didn't smoke, 1064 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,160 Speaker 1: who didn't drink, who didn't do anything, he wanted to 1065 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:52,840 Speaker 1: go to the NBA. 1066 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 4: So all we did was play basketball all day. But 1067 00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,280 Speaker 4: us laying there staring at the ceiling at eleven, twelve, 1068 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 4: thirteen years old. 1069 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,400 Speaker 1: So dreaming and wishing about all the things we wanted 1070 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: to do. It all came to fruition. 1071 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,399 Speaker 4: He went overseas for five years, played professional basketball, came back, 1072 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 4: started a film company, all of those things that we 1073 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,319 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I'm known for thirty six years. 1074 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: Right and without that. You know, those five people have 1075 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: helped mold who I am. And that's important to give 1076 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,360 Speaker 1: him his due because you know, he's one of the 1077 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:38,600 Speaker 1: most dynamic directors on the planet Earth, tremendous insight in 1078 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,040 Speaker 1: this business and what it takes. He didn't have the 1079 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 1: NFL in terms of opening doors, so he had to 1080 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 1: open those doors himself, and he opened them wide enough 1081 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,240 Speaker 1: for us all to come in right start producing movies 1082 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 1: and stuff like that years and years ago. And he 1083 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: allowed me to step in to that space and learn 1084 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 1: and continue to grow in that space while I was 1085 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,839 Speaker 1: doing other things, so that that would be my five 1086 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 1: mount rush. 1087 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:08,720 Speaker 4: Awesome. 1088 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,640 Speaker 3: That's hey, you thank you so much, hot Seat. Yeah, 1089 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,279 Speaker 3: b I appreciate you pouring into us. 1090 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:15,560 Speaker 4: Dog. 1091 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 5: Hopefully we gave you some content today, blessed that you 1092 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,680 Speaker 5: can take back with you. I know we're going to 1093 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 5: take some stuff back with you. I wrote down a 1094 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 5: couple of things. Uh, I'm going to watch the list. Uh, 1095 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,920 Speaker 5: I need to get my wife the final draft document or. 1096 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 4: App good think I'm telling you the software everything. 1097 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,839 Speaker 5: Definitely and uh and if you want to start writing, everybody, 1098 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,439 Speaker 5: you must understand the whys and the ones. Yep, that's 1099 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,520 Speaker 5: their basis of it all. So there it is. We 1100 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,399 Speaker 5: actually learned some stuff today. Ephral Man appreciated dog. Thanks 1101 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 5: a blessing, Yes sir, yes sir. And like I always 1102 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,440 Speaker 5: tell everybody, man, we're out of here. Remember for all 1103 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,959 Speaker 5: those that are watching and our listeners to tell a friend, 1104 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 5: to tell a friend, to tell a friend, we are 1105 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:54,440 Speaker 5: going to. 1106 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 4: Get out of here. 1107 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 3: I'm sorry I hit you like that. I'm excited. I 1108 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 3: apologize about that. That did feel little physical all right, 1109 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,719 Speaker 3: but anyways. 1110 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,240 Speaker 5: Anyway, you pick up your podcast at with us Apple Podcasts. 1111 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio podcast. 1112 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,800 Speaker 5: Please give us a five star rating, hit the follow button, 1113 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,640 Speaker 5: give us a review, tell us how you feel in 1114 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,319 Speaker 5: ask questions. My man Thomas will all answer them for 1115 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 5: you because we do not, So thank you appreciate it. 1116 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,800 Speaker 3: We're out of here. Em salam. Thanks Doc for a blessing. 1117 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 4: Thank you guys. 1118 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 3: We out