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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Karl Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Kate Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Kate is a.

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Speaker 1: Maha Mama for former emergency room nurse, creator of the

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Speaker 1: fifteen Minute movement, and founder of the one hundred Day Challenge.

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Speaker 1: Find her on Instagram at nurse Kate Johnson. So nice

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Speaker 1: to have you on, Kate.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. It's nice to be here.

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Speaker 1: So how did you get your start in what you do?

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Speaker 1: I guess I like your account so much. I think

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Speaker 1: that it's very real and very down to earth, but

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Speaker 1: obviously there's a political element to it, which we'll get into.

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Speaker 1: But what was your kind of opening to this?

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Speaker 2: So my background is I'm a critical care nurse. I

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Speaker 2: worked in Washington, d C. For seven years bedside, just

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Speaker 2: saw the state of the health of the average American

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Speaker 2: and it realized that that wasn't where we were going

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Speaker 2: to really impact people's health. That's like the last stage

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to be on the front end of that.

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Speaker 2: So I went to work for Blue Cross Shield doing

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Speaker 2: preventative health, kind of on the policy side of preventative

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Speaker 2: health initiatives that were sort of tied to the Obamacare

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Speaker 2: era work and realized that that wasn't really where we

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Speaker 2: were going to do a lot of change because the

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Speaker 2: incentive structures there are just while like largely good intentioned,

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Speaker 2: the execution.

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Speaker 3: Is always poor.

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Speaker 2: So I went and did consulting work for the VA,

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Speaker 2: and that was really saw like the nuts and bolts

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Speaker 2: of how policy is implemented and the forces that are

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Speaker 2: at play within that policy work, and how the policy

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Speaker 2: really does make a difference when it comes to people's

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Speaker 2: health day in and day out. So I sort of

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Speaker 2: stepped back and realized that what people really need to

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Speaker 2: know is how to take control of their own health.

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Speaker 2: That these third party mentations of healthcare systems are great,

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Speaker 2: but the real foundation is what people do for themselves

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Speaker 2: day in and day out.

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Speaker 3: And so I decided that my.

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Speaker 2: Mission was going to be to help people live the

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Speaker 2: healthiest lives that they could live within the confines of

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Speaker 2: their own home and their own body.

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Speaker 1: So you could be telling this to people in a

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Speaker 1: very obviously a political way, and you could also be

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Speaker 1: just generally an a political figure. You could be posting

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Speaker 1: on Instagram about your life or about what you're cooking

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Speaker 1: to eat, or any let I always wonder the people

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Speaker 1: who kind of don't have to get the slings and

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Speaker 1: arrows of being in politics, but do it anyway. Did

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Speaker 1: you feel like you had to.

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Speaker 3: So there's two elements to that.

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Speaker 2: First, I kind of am connected to it because my husband,

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Speaker 2: you know, is in a political space, and so people

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Speaker 2: automatically assume that I have a political position, and so

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Speaker 2: there tends to be interested in that in the social

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Speaker 2: media space. And my account is very real. It's what

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Speaker 2: I do, It's how I live my life. So I

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Speaker 2: take people along for my real life, and the aspect

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Speaker 2: of that is political because of you know, the work

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Speaker 2: my husband does.

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Speaker 3: But also what I realized was that the policy and.

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Speaker 1: I know your husband is Benny Johnson, he has a

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Speaker 1: show and he's quite quite big on the interwebs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is twenty million followers or something insane.

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Speaker 2: So there is that dynamic, you know, within within our lives.

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Speaker 2: Funny enough, we hardly ever talk about politics at home, but.

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Speaker 3: That's the right way to do it. Yeah, there's enough

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Speaker 2: There is a There's a really big piece that I

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Speaker 2: don't think people really understand unless they've worked in it,

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Speaker 2: and that is how much policy and politics affects they

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Speaker 2: that you make. It affects the messaging that you see.

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Speaker 2: It impacts the foundational understanding that you have of how

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Speaker 2: to approach different food choices, how you should think about exercise, sunshine, sunscreen.

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Speaker 3: All of these things actually called a.

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Speaker 2: Political component because they are either regulated by the government

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Speaker 2: or the government is incentivized to participate in them because

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Speaker 2: they are payers in the system. So we can't really

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Speaker 2: separate those forces, and so I do think it is

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Speaker 3: And so that's more the angle I try to come from,

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Speaker 3: and not necessarily like specific to politicians, but more like

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Speaker 1: What's one thing that people can do on an individual

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Speaker 2: The first thing I think everybody needs to do is

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Speaker 2: understand that your health is your responsibil It's not the

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Speaker 2: government's responsibility, or doctor's responsibility or the hospitals. It's up

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Speaker 2: to you. And when you start to really take ownership

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Speaker 2: of your health, then you'll start to look for ways

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Speaker 2: that you can make changes to live a healthier lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: The second easiest thing that is within almost everybody's grasp

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Speaker 2: is to just go outside and walk, and go outside

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Speaker 2: touching grass, literally touching grass, yeap, like, these things are

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Speaker 2: hugely impactful for your health, and even in small amounts.

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Speaker 2: That's where the fifteen minute movement came from. Just go

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Speaker 2: outside and move for fifteen minutes, and that small thing

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Speaker 2: can be the catalyst that can change your whole life.

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Speaker 1: On my other show, I have another show with Mary

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Speaker 1: Catherine Ham called Normally, and somebody asked us what conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theories we believe in, and I said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't even think this is a conspiracy theory anymore.

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Speaker 1: But for a long time I used to refer to

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Speaker 1: myself as a suntruther, that the sun was actually very

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Speaker 1: good for you, and we were being told frequently that

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Speaker 1: it's not you mentioned sunshine, you know, being good. Has

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Speaker 1: that changed? Is that no longer the line, or is

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Speaker 1: it just people understand that to be not true, that

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Speaker 1: that the sun is bad for us.

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Speaker 2: I think people have realized that that was bad advice.

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Speaker 2: I think there is a growing movement of people who

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Speaker 2: are understanding that no actually, like you know, in order

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Speaker 1: Could that be bad, like.

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Speaker 2: Energized the entire world, like we are somehow not supposed

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Speaker 2: there's some really big voices that have come out, like

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Speaker 2: Andrew Huberman has talked endlessly about the importance of getting

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Speaker 2: in the evening and how that will help set your

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Speaker 2: and your hormones will be impacted by getting sunshine. So

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Speaker 2: the messaging is really starting to get out and people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so other things. Protein.

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Speaker 2: It used to be the serpiracy theory that that we

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Speaker 2: you should really limit that. We also, you know, the

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Speaker 3: And everybody's like, oh yeah, no, that's that was not adlace.

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Speaker 2: But you were considered like a conspiracy theorists if you

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Speaker 2: thought that in the past, Yeah, for sure, Like vaccines

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Speaker 2: And now people are understanding that they're, like with everything,

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Speaker 2: there are risks and there are benefits, and so we

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What do you see

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Speaker 1: as like the next protein thing that we're going to

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Speaker 2: I think supplementation is something that in like the western

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Speaker 2: be harmful to take a daily multivitamin or to add

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Speaker 2: benefits of taking really good quality supplements and much that

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Speaker 2: can improve your overall health because unfortunately our soils are depleted,

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Speaker 2: people need to supplement and that your doctor would have

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Speaker 2: told you like, you don't need to do that, but

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Speaker 2: we now understand most people actually do.

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Speaker 1: What are your listeners or your viewers mostly write to

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Speaker 1: you about what's the thing that kind of what's the

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Speaker 2: My audience tends to be moms in their twenties to forties,

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Speaker 2: so a lot of them really want to know how

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Speaker 3: People women are really worried about that.

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Speaker 2: When RFK Junior joined Trump's ticket, knew I knew that

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Speaker 2: Trump was going to win because the momentum among moms

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Speaker 2: given the respect that it's due, I think in politics,

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Speaker 2: but that the Maha mom vote is what won the

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Speaker 1: I saw that in a very normy way where moms

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Speaker 1: this healthy message really does resonate. So what do you

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Speaker 2: I always bring it back to the basics. You've got

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Speaker 2: to keep everything simple every so much of this stuff

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Speaker 2: gets very complicated very quickly. You know, there is a

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Speaker 2: lot of nuance, there's a lot of science. You can

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Speaker 2: So you just take it, bring it back to the basics.

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Speaker 2: You need to eat real food right like things out

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Speaker 2: of packages bags should be treats. Most of the things

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Speaker 2: we eat should be single ingredient items, an egg, I rob.

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Speaker 2: We should have daily movement as a non negotiable for

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Speaker 2: the entire family, So everybody needs to be up and

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Speaker 2: a sleep purgatory at the moment. Was I have a

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Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that's that's tough.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we still work on those foundational habits.

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Speaker 2: We still try our best to get the best quality

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Speaker 2: go to bed at nine thirty, Like we make it

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Speaker 3: But a lot of people don't know. You know, turn

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Speaker 3: your TV.

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Speaker 2: Off, you need to go to bed, Like, don't doom

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Speaker 2: scroll until then.

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Speaker 1: None, Like put down that bright object that has all

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Speaker 1: the information in the whole world, and don't point it

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Speaker 1: at your face. Bet yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: There's always another Netflix show to watch.

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Speaker 2: Put it all down, set a bedtime, go to bed,

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Speaker 2: and try to be consistent with your children as well.

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Speaker 2: So screen time should say policies, no screens in bed.

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Speaker 3: That the hustle, like, the hustle culture.

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Speaker 2: To be periods where you rest and you get in

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Speaker 3: What do you worry about fentanyl?

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Speaker 2: You know, they make counterfeit things, and so these kids

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Speaker 2: So I'll just take you know, I'll take one, not

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, A little different what advice would you give

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Speaker 3: Don't worry so much?

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Speaker 1: Did you worry a lot?

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Speaker 3: I was always a.

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Speaker 2: Big warrior, And it's the one thing I will tell

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Speaker 3: But I was a worrier.

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Speaker 3: Everything? Like would I find a good husband? What would

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Speaker 2: When I was bad, aide felt really big and very unattainable.

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Speaker 1: Last year on my show, one of my three questions

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Speaker 1: you've made it? And I want to ask you, do

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Speaker 1: all of those things? Did you did you succeed at

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Speaker 3: I did I have.

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Speaker 2: I have a great marriage, I have four beautiful kids.

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Speaker 3: I've done everything in my career that I wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: Now I get to be home raising my kids, like

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Speaker 2: that's my primary focus. But I still get to have

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Speaker 2: this really cool ability to impact people in the way

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Speaker 2: it feels like I'm where God has called me to

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Speaker 2: be at this season, and so we'll see what the

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Speaker 2: next season looks like. But for today, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I've made it for today.

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Speaker 1: I love that I've loved this conversation. End us here

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Speaker 1: with your best tip for my listeners on how they

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Speaker 1: can improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: I think the best thing that anybody can do to

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Speaker 2: have the best life possible is to trust and believe

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Speaker 2: in God and know that he is the guiding force

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Speaker 2: in your life.

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Speaker 3: And when you are.

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Speaker 2: Able to surrender to Him, then everything else will kind

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Speaker 2: of fall in place.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Check her out on Instagram at nurse Kate Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Kate for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me