1 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: All right, the quick intro. You gotta be ready, man, 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: that thing jumps on you quick. It's our twelfth episode 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: of Splash Hit Territory. Susan Slusser joins us again today. Susan, 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: how you doing. You're great, So I'm in San Francisco. 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: We're both in San Francisco. 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 2: Back back in the Bay. Very happy about that. 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're also happy about the subscribers we're having 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: right now. We're getting there, so we want you guys 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: to like and subscribe. Go to YouTube check it all out. 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: It's super easy. We're checking out the views for these 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: they're growing every single time. The shows are starting to flow. 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: We're having a great time. We're gonna have Buck show 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Walter on a Monday, so we're excited to have Buck on. 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you're fresh off of Orlando the 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Winter meetings, you're back in San Francisco. Maybe a little 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: recap from somebody boots on the ground who is there. 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and you mentioned Buck one of the reasons 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: that we are eager to talk to Buck, and we've 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: been hoping to talk to him for a while as 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: obviously he's somebody with not exactly the same background as 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: Tony Vytello, but a little bit, you know, he kind 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: of was against the grain, hadn't played the big league's 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: kind of manager, and he had to fight some of 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: that early on. So I think his take on Vytello, 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: and you know, Buck obviously has been a member of 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: the media as well as one of the successful managers 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: in the last couple decades. So I'm going to be 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: interested to see what he thinks of what the Giants 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: are doing and or are not doing, because so far 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: it's been kind of slow, slow winter meetings for the Giants, 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: slow winter meetings in general. The Dodgers get better, shocker 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: that one truly great closer out there, they get him. 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: Pete Alonso goes to Baltimore, Kyle Schwerber goes back to Philadelphia. 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: Besides that, not a lot else, although we we'll talk 35 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: about some of some of the smaller things that I 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: don't want to say small. Getting a Rule five draft 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: potential backup catcher, I think is a big deal, and 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: what we'll get to that too. But what were your 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: impressions from here about the winter meetings and what may. 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: Or what's there to have an impression about. I mean, 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: I just watched MLB Network and you were there. I'll 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: say this, Susan. I was out last night with a 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: bunch of Giants fans and they're friends of mine, and 44 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: they're very concerned. They're worried. So you know, I don't 45 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: think you necessarily have to get deals done at the 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: winter meeting to get deals done, But like you're hearing 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: things you're there. Should Giants fans be worried right now? 48 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: Should we be upset? Should we be scared? Should be worried? 49 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: Like the ones I talked to last night are like, 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: we're not spending any money. What are we doing? 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: My takeaway from everything is it's really hard to read 52 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: what the giants are doing right now, Like it's some 53 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: mixed messages. I think I wrote a couple times during 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: the winter, like Greg Johnson tells the Chronicle me last 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: month and John Shay, my former Chronicle colleague now the 56 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: SF Standard, he told both of us last month that 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: they're not looking to do long term deals. I think 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: everybody is more than familiar with this whole scenario. Not 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: looking to do a lot of long term deals for 60 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: five six year time things. Nine figures not something I'm 61 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: really looking to do. Buster Posey has and zach Manazien 62 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: have been talking to a lot of the big name 63 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: of particularly starters. Almost every agent I spoke to, and 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: all of this is sort of on background, you know, 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: not for attribution. So I'm not going to name some 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: of the names that I was asking about, but they 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: all said, yeah, the giants have called on him. So 68 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: that was a question to Buster Posey the day one 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: in Orlando, are you in are you out on some 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: of these big name guys? And he said he feels 71 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: like anytime he goes to the front office, goes to 72 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: ownership with a really good plan. I think I mentioned 73 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: this in the last show. You know that ownership has 74 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: been very supportive, so but not getting anything done. I 75 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: mean they still have not as we are taping this, 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: still have not announced their coaching staff, which seems you know, 77 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: after what are we talking more than five weeks? That 78 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: seems a little bit as surprising. So I don't think 79 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: that that's certainly connected to any of their free agency 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: pursuits or what they might do in trades, but it 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: just seems like and Buster's not cautious. We know Buster 82 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: Posey is not a cautious person. He's willing to be bold, 83 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: but it does seem like, let's see some news. You know, 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: I know they're not going to go like fans want news, 85 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: media wants news. We got to do something, but it 86 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: does seem a little slower than usual. So maybe it 87 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: is we're doing our due diligence on all of these guys, 88 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: but maybe nobody's appealing enough to them to go to 89 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: ownership to say, let's spend big bucks. My impression. One 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: agent told me he thinks that they have laid the 91 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: groundwork for some things, and zach Manascien said the same thing, 92 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: and that agent thought that the Giants will probably fill 93 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: at least a whole or two sometime in the next 94 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: two weeks and potentially with something significant. So honestly, we're 95 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: not privy to these things FP as you know, we 96 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 2: just kind of have to ask people around the edges 97 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: who have an idea, and the agents think they're going 98 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: to do something, and the Giants are signaling maybe they'll 99 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: be a little bit more cautious. Reasons for it. They're 100 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: in a division with a team that is going to 101 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: be tough to compete with no matter what you do. 102 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: We said this before last year and the year before 103 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: the Giants could spend you know, hundreds of extra million 104 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: dollars more and still finish third or fourth in this division. 105 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. 106 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: So I was telling my friends last night at this function, 107 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: the same thing I said on the podcast last week 108 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: about you know, maybe they're keeping it close to the vest, 109 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: that's what Buster does. And then as I'm saying that, 110 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, am I full of crap? 111 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 3: Now? 112 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: Like I'm starting to doubt what's coming out of my mouth? 113 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: Because am I just giving the company line because I 114 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: believe this before the winter meetings? Like I'm I'm a 115 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: big believer, and you just don't show your cards. We 116 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: disagree on that, you think you should let the fan 117 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: base know that you're trying. I would just like, I'd 118 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: like to, you know, out of nowhere, out of left field, 119 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: where we traded for this guy or we signed this guy. 120 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 1: And then as I was saying it to my friends 121 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: last night, I'm like, are you completely full of s 122 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: right now? Because I'm starting to wonder, and I'm if 123 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, I guess the reason I'm saying this is 124 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: are the players wondering? Like what are the players thinking? 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: Right now? What is Logan Web thinking? What is Matt 126 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: Chapman thinking, What's Willie Damas thinking, what's Raphael Dever's thinking. 127 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: What's Robbie Ray thinking? What are these guys thinking right now? 128 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: When you turn on TV and you're like, this team 129 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: that we're trying to chase is getting even better. And 130 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: there's rumors about Trek Scouble going to the Dodgers in 131 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: a huge trade. I mean, if they get that guy, 132 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: why even play the games this year? Seriously? 133 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: So even radical realignment would not get the Giants away 134 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: from the Doctors. 135 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: So what is going on there? Anyways? So yeah, I'm 136 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: hoping there's some things on the back burner that we're 137 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: going to get surprised. But even even I'm as if 138 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: I go player mode right now and be like, are 139 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: what are we doing? What are we doing right now? 140 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: One thing I will say is Scott Boris. You know, 141 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: he does his punny little State of Scott Boris's Clients 142 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: thing at the winter meetings as entertaining, slash grown inducing 143 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: as usual, and he did connect the Giants pretty firmly 144 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: with Cody Bellinger, who, in my mind, let's let's put 145 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: the money aside. How much it would cost, how likely 146 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: it is that they could get him to me would 147 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: fill basically two huge needs the defense obviously in the outfield, 148 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: and he's also a pretty good offensive player. Cost is 149 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: going to be high, the years are probably going to 150 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: be high. That's obviously not what we're hearing that they're 151 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: interested in doing. But he got thrown out there with 152 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: a bunch of other guys. Thoughts on Cody Bellinger and 153 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: then we'll talk about another potential Boris client, and you 154 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: know they haven't really jumped at Boris clients in this 155 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: last year, not since they did the chat finish the 156 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: Chapman deal. So your thoughts on Cody Bellinger. 157 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: He's a winning player in the Giants deed winning players 158 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: and my first thought about Cody Bellinger is the elite 159 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: defense in the arm strength and the Giants need to 160 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: improve on defense. He made some plays in left field 161 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: last year for the Yankees, shoe string catches, throwing a 162 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: seed on the money right to the first basement, doubling 163 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: guys up. And then another thing the Giants need is 164 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: two strike approach, and Cody Bellinger does have a two 165 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: strike approach. He'll do that little crickety swing where he 166 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: flips something softly into left field. I know he can 167 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: strike out, but like the power, the average, the speed. Still, 168 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: he's an above average first baseman too, So I don't 169 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: know where that fits into the scheme when the Sis 170 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: have a thousand first basements, but like he's a plus 171 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: defender and a plus base runner. I just that just 172 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: popped into my head too. So the Times need all 173 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: of those things. And I've always been a fan of 174 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger. 175 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: They if they go and spend, to me, he's the guy. 176 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: He's going to be far less than Kyle Tucker. I 177 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: know a lot of people would rather say them get 178 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker. But Kyle Tucker is going to be in 179 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: the four hundred million plus range. And these are all 180 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: just projections that we work off. But I think Bellinger 181 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: is projected for more like the one hundred and fifty 182 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: million range, which they're saying, we're not crazy about the 183 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: nine year or the nine figure deal. Okay, I think 184 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: you're going to have to do that to get somebody 185 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: like him. It's probably not likely, you know. I'm not 186 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: saying they're going out and getting him, but they certainly 187 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: have been among the teams that have called in on him, 188 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: and that's to me, I think that's a good thing. 189 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: I know fans sometimes go, we're tired of agents using 190 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: us to get bigger deals. But I will tell you, 191 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: you know, that's some of the deals that already have 192 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: been done in Orlando I think will have already affected 193 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: that market, particularly Alonso going to the Orioles. That signals 194 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 2: the Mets are going to have to pay for a bat, 195 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: another bat, and the word is they're going. I mean, 196 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: of course the Mets got cut listed in that long 197 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: list of I don't know if everybody saw the sort 198 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: of who needs which team needs a giant bat and 199 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: who's going to dodge problems all at whatever he's whatever 200 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: it was. But I think the Mets are going to 201 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 2: go hard after Bellinger. So I think that that potentially 202 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: drives at the cost, and at that point, I don't 203 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: know how enter out they would be. But Schwarber also going, 204 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: You know, that takes a big bat off the table too, 205 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: So I don't know, you're gonna have to spend Do 206 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: you do that? 207 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: For me? 208 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: They have to have a good defensive outfielder who also 209 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: can swing the bat. Bellinger's the guy. 210 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: What if they don't do anything. What if that's it 211 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: and this is the team. 212 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: I mean, they're conceding, and look do you put a 213 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: do you go out and make kind of an outside 214 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: the box, very outside the box managerial higher and then 215 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: give him a roster that is going to have a 216 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: tough time in an incredibly difficult division. Or do you 217 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: give him enough of a roster to snag a playoff spot? 218 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: Finished second, maybe even third? You can, you know, you 219 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: can still make the pup postseason. But if you're conceding, 220 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: why do you go out and do that? That would 221 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: be very unfair, in my opinion, to Tony Vaitello to 222 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 2: go like, hey, well, welcome to the big leagues. You've 223 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: got a roster that is probably not going to be 224 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 2: among the top three in your division. 225 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of the new manager for the Giants, we've been 226 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: joking in this podcast that you haven't met a me. 227 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: You haven't met a met You have met him. Now 228 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: you spend some time with the We talked to him 229 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: at the winter meetings. I would love to hear your 230 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: initial impressions of the Giants. Do a manager? Yeah? 231 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: On our last show, I really it had been just 232 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: such a small sample size. I wasn't sure, but it's 233 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: really interesting. 234 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: He after. 235 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: Since since that time, he did his manager official manager 236 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 2: interview session at the Winter meetings, which is open to 237 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: sort of every media group. Talked for about twenty twenty 238 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: five minutes, and he also did a little breakfast just 239 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: with the San Francisco sort of beat that's in town. 240 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: All the managers do that. So sit down for breakfast 241 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 2: in a big conference room and just chit chat, and 242 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: the one takeaway I have really I mean, of course, 243 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: all the things everyone says personality plus super engaging, very 244 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 2: much a people person, all of that is true. He 245 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: has mentioned numerous times sort of how overwhelmed he is 246 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: and how new he feels. Everything is new. And I 247 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: said at one point during the breakfast thing, sort of 248 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: like there's so many new managers this year, right, there 249 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: are ten new managers. He's actually part of a big 250 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: group that's very new. And yes he's the one that 251 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: has no previous pro baseball experience of any kind, which 252 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: means people are watching looking if his manager's interview session 253 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: was pretty heavily attended by people who are kind of, 254 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: you know, the novelty of it all, And at one 255 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: point during that section session, he referred to himself as 256 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: a guinea pig and as a potentially a sacrificial lamb, 257 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: which is I hope he starts to feel a little 258 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: less overwhelmed really quickly. You know he's going to get 259 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: up and running. Of course, once spring training is going, 260 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: and Jase Tingler is unsurprisingly going to be his guy 261 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: and sort of in charge of spring training. Former league 262 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 2: big league manager has done this a bunch. I think 263 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: the day to day everything, I think he'll start to 264 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: feel more comfortable. But yeah, he's one of ten new guys. 265 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: There's so much I love that. I love all this. 266 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: You know that we're not just going with sort of 267 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: some of the same old names, some new faces, but 268 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: there are a lot of teams kind of going through 269 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: this right now. It's the Giants are not the only 270 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: one with a super newbie manager. 271 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I guess I like the transparency and 272 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: the authenticity. But but my hope for the Giants this year, 273 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: and Tony Vitello is the captain of the ship, I 274 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: want them to be the most hated team in baseball. 275 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: I want them to have flair, to be cocky, to 276 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: piss other teams off, to to have their manager be 277 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: like that too, and to hear him say things like 278 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm a guinea pig or whatever I need I need. 279 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Once the he gets going like you said, I need Cocky, 280 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: Tony Votello. I don't want Tony to be I wanted 281 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: to be the most hated manager in the Big leagues 282 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: because his team plays with swagger and cockiness and flair 283 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: and not just like last year there was time when 284 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: they're just playing like I want the Giants to play 285 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: with an edge. I would love for them to be 286 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: This is probably gonna piss a lot of Giants fans off, 287 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: like the Oakland Raiders or the Las Vegas Raiders of 288 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: the National League of Baseball to where they're playing hardball. 289 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: They're playing this brand of baseball where they're sliding late, 290 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: they're sticking their foot and gloves and trying to knock 291 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: the ball out. They're diving everywhere, They're flipping the bats 292 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: like Drew Gilbert didn't call, who cares baseball is so friendly? Now? 293 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't want them to be friendly. And I think 294 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: if they play that way that now all of a sudden, 295 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: whatever the roster construction is and whatever deals they do, 296 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: they have a chance to compete, and it has to 297 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: be with an edge every single night. It can't just 298 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: be once in a while. And it all starts with 299 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: their manager. So you know, I'd spend some time with them, 300 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know, out and about after his press 301 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: conference and he was very overwhelmed, and that's understandable. And 302 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: there's this sports psychology thing where it's called admit and 303 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: conquer where if you're if you're afraid of something, you 304 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: just admit it and then you conquer it. But if 305 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: you suppress it, it's going to stay there longer. So 306 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: maybe that's kind of the thinking right now. It is. 307 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: He's laying in the weeds. He's telling people he's overwhelmed, 308 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: but meanwhile he's going to come out guns blazing. That's 309 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: my hope. But I want to I need Kacky Tony Vitelo, 310 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: I really do. 311 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: Well. It's a little bit of a hustle, huh. 312 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: Maybe I like that theory a but he he and 313 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: Buster are both very much on the same page of 314 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: you are not friends before the game, and I think 315 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: we're gonna I don't think we're going to see a 316 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: lot of hugs from Giants. 317 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: Players to guys on the other team. Which you know 318 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: it is going to be very tough for Willia Domis 319 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: in particular because he's like everyone in baseball's best buddy, 320 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: tie his hands behind his back. 321 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: But just you play slap shot on a loop in 322 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: the clubhouse and you the Hansen brothers and we're coming out, 323 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: and that's how we're playing baseball for one hundred and 324 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: sixty two games this year. 325 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Tony said, you know you can be friends 326 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: after the game. That's great, just not before the game. 327 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: You want to crush them. You want to absolutely demolish them. 328 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: And I do love that. And you know, he's a 329 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 2: guy who got ejected from college games. His teams were 330 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: kind of noted for their brawls, So I do think 331 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: we're going to get some of that kind of flavor. 332 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: Maybe not some brawls, but hey, they didn't got into 333 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: a little bit of a dust up last year, so 334 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: there's some guys in there with that we did. As 335 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: long as Chapman stays away from getting suspended, I think 336 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: will be good. But two other quick little things, okay 337 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: from the winter meetings that I don't want to miss. 338 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: First of all, it seems we could have had all 339 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: assumed that Logan Web was going to be on the 340 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 2: WBC team, the US team. He's had some talks with them, 341 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: I asked Mark de Rosa. They have had chats. We 342 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: then asked Buster Posey and Buster, unsurprisingly and Zachmanasian do 343 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: not sound overly enthusiastic about having their best picture involved 344 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: in the WBC. So I think that is still TBA 345 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: very you know, whether I'm no Logan wants to on 346 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: hundred percent. If he doesn't, this is going to be 347 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: because the team says, hey, maybe and you can join 348 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: in later rounds. I think if he participates, he might 349 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 2: be a late ad. That would make some sense. But 350 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 2: I have always thought that teams have every right to 351 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: say to any of their top players, you know what, 352 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: we need you to either ease up or do it 353 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: next time. Remember Scott Kashmir, who was one of my 354 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: favorite people at the Olympics. He basically had was retired, 355 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: came out of retirement and was a big part of 356 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: that Olympic team. You know, maybe that's the sort of 357 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: guy for for even I know the WBC is a 358 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: very good very you know, it's a great tournament for baseball, 359 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 2: a lot of national pride. But I think maybe some 360 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: of the guys on the at the later stages are 361 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: like Wainwright, did I think that would be great? So 362 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: anyway that that's not a done deal. And then the 363 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 2: other is the Giants. You know, we have not mentioned 364 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: the backup catcher spot very much at all, and the 365 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: Giants in the Rule five draft, they didn't take a catcher, 366 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: but they traded for a Rule five catcher, Daniel Sussak, 367 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: who yes, is Andrew Susa's brother and doesn't necessarily mean 368 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: he is the backup catcher. But it does create some 369 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: interesting competition there with Hayesus Rodriguez, who I think is 370 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: still probably the front runner but doesn't have as much experience, 371 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to seeing that. A little competition 372 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: is good. Also does not rule out them signing somebody else. 373 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll sign a minor league free agent catcher, 374 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: maybe even something more significant. I'm not quite sure. I 375 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: know you love real mudo, but I'm not sure I 376 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: could see that happening. But options are great. 377 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: Options are great. My thoughts on Logan Web He's led 378 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: the league at endings how many years in a row. Now, 379 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of miles on that car man, and 380 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: I need him to be in his routine and be 381 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: ready for the season. I'm not anti w I think 382 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: it's great, and I think Mark de Rosa is doing 383 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: a really good job of assembling a good team. But 384 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: with your ace, it leads the league in innings every 385 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: single year. You need to conserve those innings and you can't. 386 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: The Giants can't afford to have him be thrown out 387 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: of whack and it affects his thirty something starts this year. 388 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: So as much as I would love to be like, yeah, 389 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: that's webbing, that's our guy, USA, I'd rather see him 390 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: on the corner of third and King dealing than that. 391 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: All Right, we have to get to Dwayne Kuiper and 392 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: talk about the Ford Sea Frick Award. I'll start this one. 393 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be a broadcaster or in broadcasting if it 394 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: wasn't for Dwayne, and I think it's I would love 395 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: to see him and get in together because there's such 396 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: a great deal and in my mind, my idols when 397 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: it comes to broadcasting and people too, and I would 398 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: like to see that award beside reflect the grind of 399 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: the everyday broadcaster. And I know they've cut back on 400 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: games recently, but throughout their career. You know, they've done 401 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: all the games all year. And when I first became 402 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: a broadcaster full time in Washington in twenty eleven, my 403 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: boss told me, he said, FP, this is a grind man. 404 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: He goes, and I laughed at him, like, come on, 405 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm not playing. It's all I do is talk. And 406 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: it's true one hundred and sixty two games when you 407 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: have to articulate and be on and the flight gets 408 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: in at three of the morning and you got a 409 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: day game the next day and you're kind of staring 410 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: at the screen, going I should probably talk right now. 411 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: When the season's over, you take a big, deep breath 412 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my gosh, that was hard. It's 413 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: not physically hard, but mentally hard. So I love Joe 414 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: Buck and I hear a lot of criticisms of Joe Back. 415 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: I think he's wonderful. I enjoyed listening to him on 416 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: the on the football broadcast. But I think the Ford C. 417 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Frick Award, no matter if it's a Giants guy or not, 418 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: should be representative of the person that has a connection 419 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: with the city, the fan base, the team for a 420 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: number of years and is great at doing it. So 421 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: I tweeted this the other day and it got a 422 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: lot of play. I said, what other broadcaster has lost 423 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: a spouse, battled cancer and still brings it every brings 424 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: excellence every single night. And it is what he's taught 425 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: me what it means to be professional, and he knows 426 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: how important it is to be the voice of our summer. 427 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Like he Kipe and Kruk, as funny as they are, 428 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: they realize how lucky they are, and they realize they 429 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: have the greatest jobs in the world, and they realize 430 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: it's important to the fan base. So I'm kind of 431 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: bummed that he I mean, I was bummed all day 432 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: and we've been texting back and forth and saying some 433 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: nice things to each other. But yeah, I think he 434 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: needs to get in and think group needs to get 435 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: in eventually. 436 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: Well, this has been my take for a long time. 437 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: You know, put them in together. The hall has pushed 438 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 2: back against that, saying that's essentially saying we don't do that. 439 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: They did do that the very first year, Mel Allen 440 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: and Red Barber went in together. A lot of times, 441 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 2: when either different wings or halls are starting, your first 442 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: class is going to be bigger for obvious reasons. But 443 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: those two were a broadcast team, so it is not 444 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: totally unprecedented. Perhaps there's some sort of like we don't 445 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: want to say they're Red Barber and Mel Allen because 446 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: you know, those are two icons of forever. Cook and Kuiper, 447 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: local guys iconic here, not national guys. Joe Buck clearly 448 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: got the sort of the national angle there. There's the 449 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: neat connection with first father and son both to get 450 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: the award, first guy to be both in the NFL 451 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame and the Baseball Hall of Fame. Okay, great, 452 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: but Joe Buck. Love him or not care for him, 453 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. He's almost twenty years younger than Dwayne Kuiper. 454 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: He barely does baseball anymore. And there is a backlog 455 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 2: of really good. When you looked at that whole ballot, 456 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: that whole ballot was really strong, sort of like when 457 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 2: we were talking about Bonds and Kent, that whole ballot 458 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: was you know, I talked to us Dessie Baker the 459 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,239 Speaker 2: other day about Kent. He was like, you look at 460 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 2: that ballot. He's like I thought Maddingly could get in, 461 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, Dale Murphy, that was like, these 462 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: are all packed ballots, so to me, even more reason 463 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: to put Kruk and Kipe in together. They are both 464 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 2: so wonderful. When you talk to either one of them, 465 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: they say like, if only one of us goes in, 466 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: I wanted to be the other guys. They consistently say that, 467 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: and it's genuine, It's absolutely genuine. That's what the Hall 468 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 2: of Fame should be rewarding. You know, they love character. 469 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: These are two high character guys, and you put them 470 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: in together. What a joyous, wonderful moment that would be. 471 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: That would be great for the Hall of Fame. It 472 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: would be great for baseball. It would be great for 473 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: sports broadcasters everywhere to have that kind of beautiful, wonderful 474 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: That's what the Hall is supposed to be about, is 475 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: Joel joy of baseball and all of that. Celebrating this 476 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: would be celebrating one of the great pairings of broadcasters 477 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: all time, absolutely beloved in their home area and starting 478 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 2: to get a little up there, and obviously both have 479 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: have had challenging health issues. Put them in together, you 480 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: can say it's a one time thing, we'll never do 481 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: it again. Whatever, I don't care how it happens, and 482 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: I will tell you some of the voters have argued 483 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: for that. I know some of the voting body is 484 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: past Frick winners. John Miller is among them. I can't 485 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: say who has championed the both let's get him on 486 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: and grill, but but there have been past Frick winners 487 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: who are very much in favor of putting in Krook 488 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: and Kuype together. I think this has been sort of 489 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: a hall thing that maybe this isn't what they want 490 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: to do. But uh, you know, I live in hope 491 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: if they show up on the ballot together the next time, 492 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: I hope that's a harbinger that maybe they go in together. 493 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 2: We're not both on this ballot, so maybe. 494 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: Well, look, it's not going to change Dwayne's life whether 495 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: he gets in or not. I mean, it isn't, but 496 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 1: we we want that for him, and we want that 497 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: for Mike. And Dave will be there someday too. So 498 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna have four. Dave is going to be our 499 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: Vince Gully. 500 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh he's phenomenal and also and also versatile. He's amazing. 501 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: So we you mentioned we have Buck on Monday. Yes, 502 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: we also I think we're going to do our first mailbag. 503 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: We've been talking about a mailbag. I think we're going 504 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: to do that later next week, so make sure and 505 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: maybe next week because there will be news in between then. 506 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: But next week, feel free to start sending us questions 507 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: either in the YouTube comments on Twitter. FP and I 508 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 2: are both on Twitter at X. I think that those 509 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: would be great. We will have little, I hope snapshots 510 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: of questions and be able to answer that. But I 511 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 2: think everybody's gonna enjoy you talking to Buck. I think 512 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 2: on on Monday or Tuesday of next week. So fantastic, 513 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: the best. 514 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: Did you see our our mutual friend Eric Chavez, he 515 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: was the hitting coach of the Mets, and he got 516 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: let go and on Instagram yesterday he did the question 517 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: thing like what do you think about the Mets offseason? 518 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: So all the former as teammates we got on there 519 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: and we're like, what's it like being so ridiculously good looking? 520 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: And we were just asking ridiculous questions like Frankie Metichito 521 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: and me. So yeah, we'll take the ridiculous questions too. 522 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: Those are those are always fun. 523 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, Susan, good. 524 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: Job, I'll let you go. Thanks again, you're the best 525 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: and matcha look forward to next time. Follow us, you guys. 526 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at splash hit Territory, on Twitter 527 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: at splash hit territory, go to YouTube search us. We 528 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: love you guys. Like I say on the way out, 529 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: every single time, swing hard in case you hit it.