1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Kayla Shore, and this is too much 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: to say it out of you. On this next episode, 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the concept 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: of a poser. Yes, it's somebody who adopts a culture 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: other than their own to seem cooler, or to fit 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: in or whatever. There's a lot of different definitions for it, 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: and it covers a lot of different topics. But let 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: me first tell you why I started thinking about posers. 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I got accused of being 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: a poser. I was in seventh grade and I was 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: really into emo music. However, I couldn't always dress the 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: way I wanted to, and I couldn't dye my hair 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: red with like black skunk streaks and do the whole 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: thing and have like bitch handles that's literally what they 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: called them, Like the two little like long piece of 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: hair that come out in the front and then you 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: have the rest of tea step in the back. I 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: couldn't do that, and I was really sad. It wasn't 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to, and it wasn't because I 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: wasn't I was a poser. I did it because I 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: went to a Christian school and I literally was not 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: allowed to, and I tried to one time. I die 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: my hair fire engine red and it was bad. I 24 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: had to do the color oops thing that you get 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: at Walgreens, and then it got worse and my mom 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: was really mad. But like, I couldn't wear skinny jeans 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: every day because I had to wear a skirt every day. 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: And so someone on my space was like, You're just 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: such a poser, and I was like, mmmm, yeah, I 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: didn't have comebacks yet. I was in the seventh grade. 31 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: I still don't have them now sometimes. But what got 32 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: me thinking about this was there is this band on 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: TikTok called tramp Stamps. They're based out of Nashville. I've 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: actually known um the drummer Page Blue for a really 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: long time. And I'm not going to cover the entirety 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: of that issue because I do think that there's some 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: interesting points within the conversation of what went wrong. But 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: I am going to say the things that I'd like 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: to defend about them because I think it really ties 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: into this authenticity question and whatnot. When it's a long story. 41 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Short term Stamps is a girl band based in Nashville. 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Page has been producing for years. She's incredible She's had 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: some songs placed in commercials and I've written songs with her. 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: She's produced tracks for me. Marissa and Caroline have both 45 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: been solo artists for a while and done their thing, 46 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: but they're all independent. Like they have publishing deals. I've 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: had a publishing deal since the second five like a 48 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: Girl came out, and all the publishing deal is is 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: you get paid to write songs, but it's an advance. 50 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: So like my first deal, I got like twenty five 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: thousand a year, I think somewhere in that range um, 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: and that would be spread out over a twelve month period. 53 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: So I was, you know, making pretty pretty average money. 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: They're not really anything great, and I had to pay 55 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: it all back, so I don't get the rights back 56 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: to my songs, Like I don't get to make of 57 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: the profits until I pay back those you know, several 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: years of being at that publishing company. So it's not 59 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: as fancy as it sounds like it's really great, and like, honestly, 60 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: that's how most songwriters in Nashville get to pay their rent, 61 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: but doesn't really pay for anything else. Like it's pretty 62 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: much just that and you know, they'll set you up 63 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: on rights and they'll pitch your songs to other people. 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: But it's not like this big glamorous thing like it's 65 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: actually kind of I mean, it's it's like base level, 66 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: like it's your entry level job into the music industry 67 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: and Nashville as far as it goes with like contracts, 68 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: and so all three of these girls had publishing deals 69 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: and they've been releasing music under Tramps Stamps the band, 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: and they've done several singles and um built this audience 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: super organically on TikTok. Now, this is where the points 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: of contention coming. Somebody accused them of being quote unquote 73 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: industry plants, like whatever the funk that is, and saying 74 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: that there was no way that these girls could have 75 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: done this themselves. And they clearly have a label and 76 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: they have all these things, and they're lying to us 77 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: and like it's just some label head trying to sell 78 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: you something that they think is like what punk girls 79 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: want to hear. And oh my god, it's so reductive 80 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm not even afraid to do this. I'm 81 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: gonna pull the feminist card because that's fucked. They don't 82 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: say that about male artists. You literally don't hear that 83 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: and so often in Nashville, I hear like, there's a 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: term that people say about female artists and I'll be like, well, 85 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: she only brought her purse to the rim, as in 86 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: meaning she didn't contribute anything to the right, And I 87 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: don't hear people say that about dudes, And like, if 88 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: you really want to talk about it, Morgan Walland doesn't 89 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: write the majority of his music, and nobody's accusing him 90 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: of being a poser, and that's like, should they mean no? 91 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that music is actually really authentic 92 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: to him, but they don't accuse him of that, even 93 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: though it's not his words that he's singing the majority 94 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: of the time. And these girls are writing their songs, 95 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: they're writing their truth, they're putting people's names in the 96 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: songs whatever. Like I think it's really fun music. And 97 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: there's been some conversation around the topic and the verbiage 98 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: of the song because it kind of it talks about 99 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: race a little bit in an interesting way, and that's 100 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: one of those things. I feel like it's not my 101 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: job to say, oh, you shouldn't be offended by that, 102 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: because if a person of colors offended by that, that's yeah, 103 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: that's them, So I don't fully understand the extent of that, 104 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: but I will be reading about it and listening. I 105 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: hope that's a good enough answer. But I wanted to 106 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: focus on this aspect of things because this is what 107 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,119 Speaker 1: relates to my experience and how I kind of saw 108 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: myself in this story. So after they get accused of 109 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: being industry plants, that video goes viral and this person 110 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: who clearly knows jack ship about the music industry goes 111 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: off about them and says like, oh my god, Okay, 112 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to quote this directly because it was just 113 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: so stupid. So it says in this Slate dot com article. 114 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: The allegation in this case is that tramp Stamps don't 115 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: have the grassroots following that an independent act typically does, 116 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: but instead of industry backing to an extent, it comes 117 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: down to marketing inauthentic or authentic, whether it's obscuring major 118 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: label ties or whether it's simply just ineffective. An industry 119 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: plant can also be used to mean, a more extreme case, 120 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: an artist thought to be constructed by label or music 121 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: industry executives and whose entire career was focused, tested and 122 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: engineered to be popular. Many musicians receive a great deal 123 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: of creative input from their teams in financial support from 124 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: their label, but at what point does it go to 125 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: farm become an industry plant. Helping a vands a solvent 126 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: or hopefully even turn a profit is what a label 127 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: is supposed to do idealistically, and even if an artist 128 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: has found success, they're seemingly organic viral means they may 129 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: often be considered fakers too. Juice World, Billie Eilish, Claro Kalid, 130 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: and Cardi B have all been called industry plants, and 131 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: they're all women or people of color groups that are 132 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: most often targeted by music fandom gatekeepers. So they go 133 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: on to be a little bit more critical about tramp stands. 134 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: But I wanted to read that part because I thought 135 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: that was really important. And these little TikTok's lists decided 136 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: that because the girls had published deals, which again I've 137 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: already explained that to you, that they were too involved 138 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: in the industry to be a d i y indie band. No, 139 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: they just get They're just able to pay their rent 140 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: without working fucking Nordstrom. Okay, like we all had to 141 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: do that until we got publishing deals. All it does 142 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: is for your time to be only continue working the 143 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: sixty hour job you were working before. You just don't 144 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: have to work a forty hour job on top of 145 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: that one. If you can't tell, I don't want to 146 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: hear it. But these girls are also distributing their music 147 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: through this company called a Wall, which literally stands for 148 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: artists without a label. Now you have your big major 149 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: label deals, you have Sony, you have Warner, you have Universal, etcetera, etcetera, 150 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: all these big bables that kind of control the music industry, 151 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: and you still need a way to get your music 152 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: out Like if you don't have a record deal, you 153 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: have to have a distributor who communicates with iTunes, Spotify, 154 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: Apple Music, Title, et cetera, and all these different things 155 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: to get your music out there. Now, there's several different 156 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: ways to go about this, but you can't just log 157 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: in to Spotify dot com and upload your own song. 158 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't work like that. You can go to something 159 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: like tune Core or distro Kid. Those are two separate 160 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: little like online. I've done my music through both of 161 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: them at different points in my career, and you just 162 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: upload the song through there. They help you out, they 163 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: do the admin. There's so many like tedious administrative things 164 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: to do when you upload a song. So it's really 165 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: nice and it's a really great business model because they 166 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: do a good job helping out independent artists. I would 167 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: say that a wall is a step up from that, 168 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: and it's basically just it's a distributor, but it's one 169 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: where you kind of a person you can talk to 170 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: and they may or may not help fund your music 171 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: a little bit and they might make a little bit 172 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: more of a percentage. I had actually talked a Wall 173 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: at one point, and by no means was I walking 174 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: into that thinking it was a record label meeting. It 175 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: was a meeting with a distributor who ultimately wanted to 176 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: help you sign to a like major label. So these 177 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: people go after them and say like they actually have 178 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: a record deal and their industry plants, like, Okay, these 179 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: three girls have worked their ass off, like they all 180 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: play instruments pages a drummer. They're producing and writing all 181 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: this stuff themselves, and it's not good enough. And people 182 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: are still saying that there's no way these three girls 183 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: could have built this career by themselves because their graphics 184 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: are too good. Okay, Well, they work with their friends 185 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: who make their graphics. I mean, like I've had some 186 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: really great photo shoots because I've used a friend, or 187 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: if like had really great music videos that I did 188 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: for like eight hundred dollars because I had a friend 189 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: helped me out, and like, you never know looking at 190 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: the music video, but you can do it. Like there's 191 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: so many kids in college who are incredible graphic designers 192 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: and just waiting for an opportunity, and tramp Stamps are 193 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: working with their friends and it looks good and it 194 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: does not mean that there's a label involved. It's actually 195 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: just a bunch of really talented girls in their twenties. 196 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: Like how hard is that for you to fucking understand? 197 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: And I feel like all of the controversy surrounding the 198 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: song and it's you know, racial insensitivity implications, it's so 199 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: devalues the work that these girls have put in and 200 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: it's so obvious that they're really spending time on this 201 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: TikTok thing. They're making tons of content, they're doing videos, 202 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: they're writing songs, and I'm looking at this knowing how 203 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: much time they're putting into it, and I just felt, 204 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: really like really felt how much that sucks. And massive 205 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: publications went after them and it's some of the first 206 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: big press they've gotten. And I just can't believe we 207 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: live in a world where a viral story can be 208 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: based around the fact that, oh, there's no way that 209 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: these three very talented women could pull this off themselves. 210 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift was has been running her career since she 211 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: was a teenager. She never let anybody do anything for her. 212 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: A lot of the most important decisions she's made, she's 213 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: made on her own. And I was an independent artist 214 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: for a really long time. I'm now signed with a 215 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: small independent record label. But I had a manager, you know, 216 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: I had a booking agent. I had these people, but 217 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: nobody cared enough to make me an industry plan, you know, 218 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: like I had to prove to them I was going 219 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: to be profitable first, before they even cared to invest 220 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: money and whatnot. And it's just like your entire job 221 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: as an artist is before you have a manager, like 222 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: giving them something to manage, like, you have to create 223 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: a story yourself and work hard enough to create something 224 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: that they think is interesting and then you get people involved. 225 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: And all these girls have done that and it's just 226 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: super fucking So that's the end of that part of 227 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: the Ted talk, but I am going to keep going. 228 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: It goes back to, like these guys in high school. 229 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: You know, I'd walk into school wearing an Nirvana shirt 230 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: and your name three songs, like as if I couldn't 231 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: possibly do that. And honestly, if I wanted to wear 232 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: a shirt and I didn't know three songs for the band, 233 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: why does it fucking matter? Or I can't think of 234 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: them off the top of my head or anything. And 235 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: nobody asked guys that question. If you see a guy 236 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: walk in wearing a led Zepplin shirt, you don't ask 237 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: him to name three led Zepplin songs. But you know what, 238 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: I guarantee you, Stephen in tenth grade English, you probably 239 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: don't know three led Zeppelin songs. But guess what I 240 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: didn't ask you because it's a fucking dumb question. God, 241 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm so fired up. Names have been changed to protect 242 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: the innocent, but I guarantee you he didn't know three songs. 243 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: I just feel like it's so disproportionately put on women, 244 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: and I think the question of authenticity is such a joke. 245 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: I've been reading this book called The Quest for Authenticity 246 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: and Popular Music, and it talks all about how at 247 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: the beginning of country music, it was known as hillbilly music, 248 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: and it was actually a bunch of these people you 249 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: know in the believe like twenties thirties who were doctors 250 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: and have been lawyers, and were these really affluent people 251 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: dressing like they lived in the hillside and like Appalachia 252 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: and singing these songs about a blue collar life. But 253 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: they were they were only industry plants. And that's like 254 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: part of one of the biggest parts of the story 255 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: of country music. And also a part that's really covered 256 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: up is how instrumental black people were in creating it. 257 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the banjo came over from Africa. And so 258 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: when you when I hear people tell my friend Mickey 259 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: Guydan and she gets this. She has fucking racist people 260 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: legitimately send her messages about how she's black and she 261 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: can't possibly be a country singer. Okay, she grew up 262 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: in Texas, and also like she has more of a 263 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: claim to country music than anybody does, and she honestly 264 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: probably knows so much more about the history of it 265 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: than I did, because I didn't get into country music 266 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: till I was older, and she grew up on it. 267 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: And so it's so offensive to see people go after 268 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: her like that, because I've definitely been questioned on you know, 269 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: Our's no country, but it's not nearly as sinister as 270 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: it is when people go after her, because that's just 271 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: fucking straight up racism. I think that the biggest moral 272 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: story here is nobody knows shit. Leave people alone, like, 273 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, girls can like rock music, anybody can 274 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: sing country music. Music is for for people who relate 275 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: to it, who who feel it. And you know, I 276 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: had somebody in my life who grew up really, really 277 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: wealthy and had a super happy family life. And one 278 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: of the favorite songs I've ever written as my song, 279 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: Big Houses, and it's about growing up poor to a 280 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: single mom dreaming about living in a big house. They 281 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: don't relate to that, they didn't, that's not their life experience, 282 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: but they really fucking feel it. And that's what music 283 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: is supposed to do, like it's supposed to put you 284 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: in the shoes of the singer. And to come back 285 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: to Mickey again, I don't know what her experience has 286 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: been like because I haven't walked her path, but Black 287 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Like Me is a window into that, and that's what's 288 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: so beautiful. She's like inviting people into this personal space 289 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: to to hold their hand and show them pieces of 290 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: what that's like. And that's exactly what music supposed to 291 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: be like. Actually have these two songs coming out with 292 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: two different artists UM that I wrote with them, and 293 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: they're both really important to me, and they are two 294 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: things that I've never experienced, and I felt so trusted 295 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: in those rooms to be gentle with these stories that 296 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: I would never fully comprehend, but I wanted to try 297 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: to help them tell that story and the way possible. 298 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: And it's an interesting experience to be writing these songs, 299 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: but it's really cool as a you know, it's this 300 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: white woman to be for them to feel safe enough 301 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: to tell this story to me so we can write 302 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: a song about it. So I have one coming up 303 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: that's UM I wrote with a woman of color, and 304 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to say their names because I don't 305 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: want to give away that the singles are coming out 306 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's about the day after like a 307 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: big story in the news or the Black Lives Matter protests, 308 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: and you see people just like posting their workout routine 309 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: and you know, acting like nothing happened and just kind 310 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: of that that feeling of like, hey, your silence is 311 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: kind of your silence says a lot. So that was 312 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: that was a really um that was really hard song 313 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: to for her to write, but I was very thankful 314 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: that she dressed me to be there with her. And 315 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: then the other song is a story that I wrote 316 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: with a non binary friend of mine and they've been 317 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: going through a transition um partially and documenting that on 318 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: Instagram with their girlfriend. And this song's about wondering if 319 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: that person, if their girlfriend will still love them through 320 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: those body changes and and as they discover who they 321 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: are in such a tangible way, like to finally be 322 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: themselves physically literally like in the flesh. And it's a 323 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: really really emotional song. And I mean, I was crying 324 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: when we wrote it because I've never been so close 325 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: to someone's story that's so personal, like in that, you know, 326 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: as someone who is like a non binary believe the 327 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: correct term is trans nonbinary because they are actually transitioning. 328 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just think that's what music 329 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: supposed to do. Is music supposed to help you come 330 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: into different worlds? And why is it anyone's job to 331 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: be like, you can't sing that or you can't wear 332 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: that shirt, or you can't possibly be doing this on 333 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: your own when it's completely possible. I mean, people built 334 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: empires from the ground up, and it's so frustrating to 335 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: see people targeted by that kind of poser culture. And 336 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: I would like to end by saying, maybe that person 337 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: is a poser pretending that they know the ins and 338 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: outs of an industry that these women have been in 339 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: for a decade that they've only seen clips of in 340 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: movies and on TikTok. It was just so mean, it 341 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: was so nasty, and it just like came after them 342 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: from all the wrong angles and just really upset me. 343 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: So I literally seen the entire episode topic talking about 344 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: tramp stamps. But I think the moral that I want 345 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: you guys to take away from this episode is music 346 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: is for everyone, and you can sing anything you want to. 347 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: You can sing rock if you're a woman stoker, that 348 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: world can be so tough. Um, you don't have to 349 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: be a white person from the country to sing country music. 350 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: It's just literally not true. The point is country music 351 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: is every man's story. It's supposed to be universal and 352 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: simplified and something that everyone can relate to. So why 353 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: can't everybody sing it? I get so fired up sometimes. 354 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening. Um, I did 355 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: finish my EP in the studio last week. It was 356 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: really really fun. I had such a blast got my 357 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: double vaccination. So I'm like ready to go drink a 358 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: beer in public. It's gonna be awesome. But you guys 359 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: are the best. I'm really excited to share this music 360 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: with you. I'm at the point in the creative process 361 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: where we haven't started mixed as yet, but I'm still 362 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: like driving around listening to them and like making sure 363 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: everything's right, and um, kind of dreaming up what those 364 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: videos will look like and what the cover art's gonna 365 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: look like and all these really fun things. And although 366 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: I have a label behind me now, it does not 367 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: mean I'm opposer, because guests, who starts the Pinterest boards 368 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 1: this bitch. Also, I have literally made my own like 369 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: artwork be war as well. So it's just you never 370 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: know what's going on behind closed doors, and it's not 371 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: your job to tell people what they can and can't 372 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: do and if they can and can't sing this, and 373 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So thank you guys much for the best. 374 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for tuning in. This is our thirty 375 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: first episode now, so we're kind of starting phase two 376 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: of this podcast. I love reading all's comments. I love 377 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: reading your d M s. And you guys can reach 378 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: me at my community number, which is a really fun 379 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: thing for artists where I can have a phone number 380 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: and it's just a separate app where I can open 381 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: it up and like text you guys, and I check 382 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: it all the time and I text people back and 383 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: occasionally like send out reminders like oh, I have this 384 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: song coming out. But it's really fun. I really enjoy it. 385 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: And if you guys want to text me, my number 386 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: is six one four nine two three nine two six 387 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: and it's a blast. So I can't wait to hear 388 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: from you guys. Let me know what you think of 389 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: these you know where the podcast is headed and if 390 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: you guys have any thoughts on what you want to 391 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: see in the future. But thank you guys so much 392 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: for tuning in. My name is Kaylee Shore. And this 393 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: is too much to say. Don't go asking questions soon, 394 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: I've got to say. Now turn it out to you.