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Speaker 1: All right, here we go. It's hour two. We're in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd. Rick new heisl In about three minutes.

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Speaker 1: Dodgers opened up with a win last night. March Madness

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Speaker 1: has been exceptional to Big Ten. Without endowment money, good coaches,

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Speaker 1: we could have an all Big Ten final four. Arizona

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Speaker 1: looks like the best team along with Michigan. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I've said it before, there's a lot of different ways

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Speaker 1: to win. Iowa didn't spend any money and they're in

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Speaker 1: the Elite eight. Perdue doesn't spend very much money. They

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Speaker 1: have a great coach, Matt Painter, and they pay their

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Speaker 1: own guys. They don't go outside of the program. Illinois

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Speaker 1: wrote big check for European guys. They went and bought size.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of different ways to do it.

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Speaker 1: Kentucky spent twenty million dollars. They won a game BYU

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Speaker 1: was the second biggest spender one and done. So you

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Speaker 1: gotta have a coach, you gotta have a culture, you

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Speaker 1: gotta have a structure. I said, it's just like your life.

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Speaker 1: In my life, you can make a big salary, but

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Speaker 1: if you're if you're buying boats and cars, that salary's

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Speaker 1: gonna shrink very very quickly. Yesterday on the show, ty

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Speaker 1: Simpson's coming on our show next week. The Alabama quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I have said, I think he's gonna go middle first round.

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Speaker 1: I do think somebody's gonna reach. I thought Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: was a bit of a reach. I thought he was

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Speaker 1: more of a top of the second round guy. What

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Speaker 1: do I know? But he had Lane Kiffin coaching offensively,

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Speaker 1: he got Brian dayball, and Jackson Dart was when he

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Speaker 1: stayed out of the blue tent, was pretty damn good

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Speaker 1: this year. I think ty Simpson similarly Klin de Boor

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Speaker 1: if he goes to the right coach. I worry about

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Speaker 1: him going to the Jets, you know, But I think

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Speaker 1: if you put him in the right situation and he

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Speaker 1: can sit for a couple of years, I think he's

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Speaker 1: a first round player, you know, not big, not wow traits.

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Speaker 1: Here was Joel Klatt yesterday on Ty Simpson. He's not

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Speaker 1: the biggest guy, but Colin this guy makes really big throws.

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Speaker 1: I am so impressed with him every time I turn

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Speaker 1: on the tape with what he does attacking the defense,

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Speaker 1: outside the numbers and down the field.

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Speaker 3: And that's really what the NFL is looking for.

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Speaker 4: He is a tough, sturdy quarterback that can make all

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Speaker 4: the throws and those guys just don't grow on trees.

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Speaker 4: I think he makes good decisions. I'm very impressed with him.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a good leader. My biggest knock would

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Speaker 4: be his lack of experience.

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Speaker 1: Didn't have many stars. I will show the mock draft

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Speaker 1: by Joel Klatt, and what I think is really interesting

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Speaker 1: is there's an understanding the Jets have that sixteenth pick.

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Speaker 1: So if you want him, the truth is you may

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Speaker 1: have to call up Jason light the GM of the

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers because and I do think the Pittsburgh Steelers are

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Speaker 1: in play here. They don't know exactly what's going to

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Speaker 1: it's not always been great. Will Howard good player. I

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Speaker 1: he's I don't think he's a franchise guy. Maybe he is,

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Speaker 1: but I think keep your eye on that Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: they be hyper aggressive? I don't think. I mean they're

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Speaker 1: Could you go up? I mean, I think it's something

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Speaker 1: And with that, Rick new Heizel, he coached Colorado Washington,

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Speaker 1: ucla former NFL coordinator, is taking the job of the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Renegades. You know, it's interesting pro football. And I

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Speaker 1: had this discussion once with HERM Edwards. He's like, if

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Speaker 1: you don't get the quarterback right, and Bill Belichick knows this,

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Speaker 1: an international university. As you well know, you're not paying

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Speaker 1: ask you specifically, if you had the money in college,

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Speaker 5: If you had the money, you would spend it on

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Speaker 5: the same positions that you spend it on in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: You would go to those difference making positions, which are quarterback,

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Speaker 5: A left tackle is a premium position. The NFL has

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Speaker 1: And before we get to the Dallas rene Gade, because

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Speaker 1: In your life, did you ever in your life think

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Speaker 1: if I told you a team went sixteen and oh

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Speaker 1: it would be the Indiana Hoosiers to you when you

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Speaker 1: watch Signetti, what is the secret sauce? Or is a

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Speaker 5: Just Mendoza, it's the perfect storm number one. He's a

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Speaker 5: fantastic X and O coach. He's a culture builder, he

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Speaker 6: Players buy in.

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Speaker 5: Those thirteen kids that came with him from James Madison

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Speaker 5: Mendoza comes along and just wows people and and literally

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Speaker 5: he's got, you know, brilliant acumen. He was going to

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Speaker 5: go to Yale, that's who kind of bright kid he is.

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Speaker 5: But but those throws Colin. Those that accuracy with the

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Speaker 5: that's rare air. So it was a perfect storm and

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Speaker 5: Indiana fans rejoice that. I mean, my relator out here

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you no, it's really interesting, Rick, you were a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: it allows for Indiana, it allows a coaching staff to

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Speaker 1: I think, Rick, I think we overplay anil. It's valuable.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying it's not valuable. I still

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Speaker 1: contend at the college level, coaching and culture trump money

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Speaker 1: or am I being naive?

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Speaker 6: I think you're dead right.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you can just throw money at problems

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Speaker 5: That you have to have the ability to create the culture.

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Speaker 5: And I said that was the number one attribute to

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Speaker 6: The ability to create.

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Speaker 5: A culture that everyone bought in and thirteen kind of

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Speaker 5: disciples coming from James Madison to tell guys how we

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Speaker 5: look at this Iowa basketball story, right, the kid from

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Speaker 5: This starts kid, right, He's a culture creator at Iowa.

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Speaker 5: Ben McCollum doesn't have to just tell people how it's

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Speaker 5: how it's going to look. That's really really important as

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Speaker 1: Well, you are a very good college quarterback, and I'm

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Speaker 1: old enough to remember all of it. And your son's

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Speaker 1: also a coach coach, and you've been doing you know,

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Speaker 1: SEC stuff for a long time. You know, I watch

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Speaker 1: they spend more. I got no pea. Facilities are better,

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Speaker 1: the coaching staffs. Are you shocked over the last three years.

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Speaker 1: I looked it up this morning in the March madness.

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Speaker 1: The last three years Big Ten teams that are favored

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Speaker 1: clearly number one. Are you shocked by it?

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Speaker 5: I think the parody in the SEC has caught up

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Speaker 5: to them a little bit. It's hard to build the

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Speaker 5: The ability to stockpile defensive line talent that both of

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Speaker 5: Now you've got a bunch of revenue in those programs

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Speaker 5: have figured out. Listen, we now can use our money

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Speaker 5: join the ranks of the big time, the blue bloods,

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Speaker 5: if you will. We've seen Michigan and Ohio State do

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Speaker 1: So you've had opportunities to coach, and you've broadcast, raised

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Speaker 1: your kids, and now the USFL calls, which I've been

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Speaker 1: saying for three years, is watch the games. Quarterback, receiver,

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Speaker 1: back corner. There's NFL guys here. There's their speed, there's twitchiness.

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Speaker 1: I can a line. If you're good, NFL is going

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Speaker 6: It you know spring football. I played spring football.

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Speaker 5: I was in that USFL when Jim Kelly and Doug

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Speaker 5: I always played for the San Antonio Gunslingers. So I

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Speaker 5: we enjoy it immensely. It goes quickly. It's a three

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well they have to tank to get a good player.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what Utah Indiana are doing. So what

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Speaker 1: they're big? I don't think tanking is their biggest issue.

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Speaker 1: I think the repetition three ball load management or bigger

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Speaker 1: issues in my opinion. But if you're going to take

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Speaker 1: away tanking, So so the eight teams at the bottom,

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Speaker 1: how do they at least Utah in Indiana? I mean

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Speaker 1: when Halliburton comes back and if they get a great pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's say that.

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Speaker 11: From the pacers are going to be excellent next Yeah

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Speaker 11: they are remove them from the tanking.

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Speaker 1: If Utah gets the number one pick and they get

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Speaker 1: the kid from BYU. They've got enough good young players.

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Speaker 3: Oh they'll be a playoff team. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if this thing has been enacted a year ago, well,

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Speaker 1: how would Indiana and Utah go from unwatchable?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Too excellent.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, it's like the Washington Wizards. They had one

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Speaker 11: of the top picks, they got the kid, Alex Sar

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Speaker 11: he's not ready. Now they got Trey Young Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 11: Like they're desperate, they need a good player.

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Speaker 3: So what do you do? You tank? Personally, I think

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Speaker 3: this is a little overblown.

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Speaker 11: I think it's a little inauthentic when people referenced, well,

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Speaker 11: in the NFL eighty two games like this.

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Speaker 3: Is nothing like the NFL. Okay, nothing at all.

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Speaker 11: Eighty two games, long season one player lebron wenby Tim

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Speaker 11: Duncan can totally change your fortunes at the top, and

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Speaker 11: it makes sense to tank these these measures. I don't

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Speaker 11: know how they're going over online. I haven't really you know.

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Speaker 11: You know what I think would end tanking.

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Speaker 1: If you had the ability, like other sports, to tray

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Speaker 1: anybody whenever you wanted to, and that would mostly end

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Speaker 1: tanking because as an owner of GM, I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 1: go to the billionaire owner. We want that player. Now

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Speaker 1: you have to have salaries that it makes it so,

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Speaker 1: But then.

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Speaker 11: You become baseball right where it's like Paul Skeins is

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Speaker 11: on the Pirates.

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Speaker 3: He's a young guy. Oh, the Yankees and Dodgers are.

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Speaker 11: Oh, who's getting Paul Skins? Anybody good on Memphis or up?

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Speaker 1: Let's slowd up. Paul schemes the idea that the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: are the only team that can afford him. The Yankees,

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Speaker 1: the Mets, the Braves, the Astros, the Padres signed sixteens

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Speaker 1: bidding to the Dodgers. I don't buy there's only one team.

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Speaker 1: The Toronto Blue Jays have a lot of money, so

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Speaker 1: Dodgers money.

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Speaker 11: Well, the Dodgers just renamed their theirs Field Dodgers Stadium

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Speaker 11: so they can make more money from overseas to profit off.

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Speaker 11: Oh Tani and the and the pitcher, like, come on,

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Speaker 11: the big markets are just gonna downb They are going

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Speaker 11: to dominate in baseball if there's no cap.

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Speaker 3: You have to admit that.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Angels were six and oh against the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: and the Brewers were six and oh against the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: In the regular season.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Mike, Mike Trout was buried.

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Speaker 11: Well, the Agels couldn't get to the playoffs again. There's

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Speaker 11: no there's no magic bullet here that's going to solve everything.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, I don't think this is a huge issue.

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Speaker 1: And you and I both agree. Tanking's not the biggest problem.

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Speaker 1: Load management's a problem. The repetition of three. Nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to watch eighty threes. That's not good basketball.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind that, but you know I'm a gunner.

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Speaker 11: That's that's what I do. All right, let's stick in

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Speaker 11: the NBA. Colin, interesting story. So we talked about the

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Speaker 11: Knicks and the Celtics kind of jockeying for position, each

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Speaker 11: of them once at home court in the second round. Well,

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Speaker 11: something's going on with Karl Anthony Towns. He got benched

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Speaker 11: down the stretch for the second straight game, subbed out

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Speaker 11: with eight minutes left, and did not get back in

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Speaker 11: the game. I mean, this is like a max contract guy, Colin.

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Speaker 11: Mike Brown said, Hey, we were getting killed on the

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Speaker 11: glass and it was physical. We needed Mitchell Robinson in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nikes, Well, Carl Anthony has been He's a great

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Speaker 1: all offensive player. For a long time. He remains that

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Speaker 1: there are spots Layton games. I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: as big a story. There are spots Layton games where

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Speaker 1: he can be a liability defensively, So I think there are.

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Speaker 1: He's got limitations, none of them offensively. But I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't. This doesn't feel like it's disruptive. I think

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Speaker 1: in late game situations, close when you got to make

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Speaker 1: a stop, I don't want Karl Anthony Towns on the floor.

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Speaker 11: Okay, so over fifty million dollars a year to this

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Speaker 11: guy and you got to pull him out for the

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Speaker 11: final five minutes of a close game.

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Speaker 3: Well, that ain't great.

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Speaker 1: Pack of Shaq. Shaq was the most dominant player in

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Speaker 1: the league. I didn't want him. I didn't want him

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Speaker 1: on the floor with a minute and a half to play.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so you so, I mean, listen, if you get Yannis,

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Speaker 11: this ain't an issue the Knicks. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 11: I thought Finals the whole season colin with the Celtics

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Speaker 11: getting Tatum, Celtics just beat the thunder. Starting to worry

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Speaker 11: about my knicks, I think trains pick.

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Speaker 1: You don't see any good teams like to any of

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Speaker 1: the teams you like, are they any good?

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Speaker 3: Why are you doing this to me?

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Speaker 11: I'm just asking a question that nice my team stink.

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Speaker 11: Maybe I like to pick losers so I can be

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Speaker 11: angry all the time, and I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't have good things. Will you want me to

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Speaker 3: root for winners?

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Speaker 1: Well? I mean, I just I you want me to be.

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Speaker 3: A front runner? You wanna go? Hey, I like the

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Speaker 3: Chiefs and Patrick.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a front runner and I'm happy every day.

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Speaker 1: I don't want the misery of losing. I like the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers and I love Duke basketball. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: understand the downside of that being a front runner. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm out front terrible Okay.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, So you're a straight up front runner.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: All the winners. Hey, you know Iowa's good? You want

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Speaker 3: to get an Iowa to iowha?

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Speaker 1: I think the Iowa story is terrific. But I think

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Speaker 1: Michigan and Arizona are blue bloods or green bloods these days.

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Speaker 1: But I mean I like watching them. I like watching

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Speaker 1: the teams that have more NBA guys. Sorry, guilty is charge.

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Speaker 3: Sorry.

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Speaker 11: I'm a loyal loyalist when it comes to my teams.

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna stick with my New York Jets until that

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Speaker 11: sinking ship fails. Final story, Final story. Con Let's go

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Speaker 11: to my NFL mock draft.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know we did Klatz earlier this week, this is yours.

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Speaker 11: I'm continually surprised that people have Ty Simpson in there.

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Speaker 11: I do not have Ty Simpson in my first round.

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Speaker 11: Forget the top sixteen. I do still think Mendoza holds

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Speaker 11: onto the one spot. Jeremiah Love at seven to Washington.

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Speaker 11: So Dan Quinn is kind of fighting for his job.

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Speaker 11: We know he canned all the assistants. It's kind of

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Speaker 11: forced to what do you do with Jaden Daniels. Do

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Speaker 11: you get him help on the offensive line or do

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Speaker 11: you get him a skill position guy so you can

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Speaker 11: get that offense To get me back to what it

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Speaker 11: was two.

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Speaker 1: Years Miami got really old. They've got Miami's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of issues.

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Speaker 11: I don't Miami has one of the lowest win totals

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Speaker 11: in the league. Miami Jets, Arizona and Cleveland are the

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Speaker 11: worst teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: You're actually good at this mock draft stuff. I agree

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Speaker 1: with almost I think I would not go get Carnel

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Speaker 1: Tait if I was the Giants, I would not.

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Speaker 3: I think that's too high for him.

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Speaker 11: I will say I'm taking some heat for Ruben Bain

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Speaker 11: falling to fourteen. Again, I'm not bashing the guy. He's

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Speaker 11: a playmaker, but Colin, he would be the highest drafted

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Speaker 11: player with those short of arms for his position in

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Speaker 11: the history of the draft. So that's why I have him.

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Speaker 11: He used to be in a two to six range.

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Speaker 11: I dropped him fourteen to the Ravens, where he's a

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Speaker 11: bit of a bargain there. Sonny Styles twelve to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if you like that. I think their

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Speaker 11: front seven needs still some more work, and I have

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Speaker 11: the Jets going with an offensive probably the best guard

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Speaker 11: in the draft. Whoever their quarterback is in twenty seven,

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Speaker 11: he's going to be so happy Jets offensive line is

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Speaker 11: coming together.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.

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Speaker 6: Line news that the.

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Speaker 1: I think the most. I think the most interesting team

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Speaker 1: in the draft is Miami with those four third round picks,

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Speaker 1: and they have Malik Willis, so they're going to be

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Speaker 1: more than capable at quarterback and Jeff Hafley defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: They got to solve the offensive line. They got to

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have a million questions. But my take

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Speaker 1: is is if your quarterback's good and your coach is good,

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Speaker 1: Let's say Halfley's good. Let's say Halfley become successful, so

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Speaker 1: Halflee successful, he makes it. He's there in five years.

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Speaker 1: And Malik Willis is as good as I think. You

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Speaker 1: can get really good, really fast if you get the

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Speaker 1: offensive line right, because they've got a great They've got

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Speaker 1: a great run game, great run back. You get the

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Saw behind Malik Willis a couple of weapons.

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Speaker 1: Of all the teams everybody thinks are going to be awful,

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Speaker 1: Dolphins have seven of the top one hundred picks that

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Speaker 1: could be seven starters at key positions. Miami is the

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Speaker 1: one supposedly awful team I think could could solve it. Now,

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Speaker 1: they got to hit. They've got a hit on guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, they got to on an offensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: a corner, a tight end, a wide receiver, and edge rasher.

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Speaker 1: They got about six guys, but they've got seven of

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Speaker 1: the top one hundred picks. And also, if you look

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Speaker 1: at Miami's pick, they could trade down and get more picks.

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Speaker 1: They could get a fifth to third, third round picks

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Speaker 1: should be able to start pretty quickly.

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Speaker 6: In the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know it is interesting. College sports has always

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Speaker 1: had dynasties. I mean you can go back to the

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Speaker 1: thirties and forties it was like, you know, Army football

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Speaker 1: or Navy football, and then the Four Horsemen Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: and then you know Yukon women's basketball and Duke Alabama football.

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Speaker 1: College sports has always had dynasties my entire life. And

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Speaker 1: you know the reason being is if you're number one,

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Speaker 1: you don't get the thirty second pick. You're allowed to know.

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Speaker 1: The better you are, the more dominant you are, the

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Speaker 1: more good players you get. Opposite of the NFL, so

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. It just shows you how money divides people.

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Speaker 1: Is that nobody was complaining about college football during the

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Speaker 1: Alabama dominance, even though ratings and revenue were dropping. Alabama

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Speaker 1: couldn't sell out all their home games. Like at one point,

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you can't schedule Citadel for a

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Speaker 1: home game, and I've beat them by sixty Young kids

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Speaker 1: got things to do and so but it bothers people

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Speaker 1: now because there's money involved. People don't mind if there's dynasties.

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Speaker 1: They don't like when you can buy them. And my

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Speaker 1: argument is there's only one of the top four nil

651
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Speaker 1: basketball programs left and that's Duke BYU couldn't win a

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Speaker 1: single game. Kentucky and Louisville won one game, so IOWA

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Speaker 1: didn't spend any money. Produe's not spending any money. We'll

654
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Speaker 1: have next hour, we'll have Mick Cronin UCLA's basketball coach.

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Speaker 1: Do I think money helps absolutely In baseball, for instance,

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Speaker 1: I think you have to hit. You got to get

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Speaker 1: to about one hundred and thirty five one hundred and

658
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Speaker 1: forty million that you can be viable. You may not

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Speaker 1: win a World Series, but you can be viable. You

660
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Speaker 1: can win. You know you can win eighty five ninety

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Speaker 1: games and be a fun team to watch. But what

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Speaker 1: Nils really done. People think it's stacking the deck for

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Speaker 1: the rich, and I'm like, no, it's not. It's broadening

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Speaker 1: the deck. Indiana Hoosiers winning a Natty Illinois basketball looks

665
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Speaker 1: as good as anybody Iowa basketball. Everybody thinks it's going

666
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Speaker 1: to stack the deck. It's to me, it's widened the

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Speaker 1: deck among Power Conference teams. Rick Patino addressed it this week.

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Speaker 7: You will see it again. I think you will see

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Speaker 7: it again. But I do feel what's even better than

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Speaker 7: that is the fact that the blue blood's no longer

671
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Speaker 7: control basketball any longer. There's no difference between Kentucky North

672
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Speaker 7: Carolina than Illinois or Saint John's. There's no difference anymore.

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Speaker 7: So it is no such a thing as a blue

674
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Speaker 7: blood anymore. There's no difference between them and North Carolina

675
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Speaker 7: State and somebody else. Everybody's the same. Everybody is the

676
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Speaker 7: same in basketball, and that's what's going to make it

677
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Speaker 7: a great product.

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Speaker 1: So BYU had huge money, could not win a game

679
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Speaker 1: in the tournament. Iowa very little money. They're an elite eight.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of the NFL. In fact, I was

681
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Speaker 1: thinking about this yesterday. Seahawks, Rams, Niners the best division

682
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Speaker 1: in football. Strong argument is the NFC West. Seahawks won

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Rams are favored the Super Bowl next year,

684
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Speaker 1: and the Niners role was viable. As long as you

685
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Speaker 1: know brock perties upright, they're gonna be good. Here's what's

686
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Speaker 1: funny about that. There's different ways to do it, just

687
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Speaker 1: like NFL, just like NIL. So you have the Seahawks

688
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: have a reclamation project at quarterback, the Rams have a

689
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Speaker 1: number one pick at quarterback, and the Niners have the

690
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Speaker 1: last guy drafted, seventh round, last pick at quarterback. There's

691
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Speaker 1: there's so much variability in the NFL. The Philadelphia Eagles

692
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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. We don't love their quarterback or

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Speaker 1: their coach. The Kansas City Chiefs won super bowls with

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Speaker 1: an all time coach and a superstar quarterback. The Seahawks

695
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Speaker 1: won a super Bowl because their GM never misses on

696
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Speaker 1: top picks, and Sam Darnold, who's good behind a power

697
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Speaker 1: run game, signed a team friendly contract. And then that's

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Speaker 1: that's what's really interesting. Kansas City does it with superstar

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame head coach and star quarterback. Like New England.

700
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Speaker 1: New England, for the record, never had the best roster.

701
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Speaker 1: Never about that, Never big free agent players, never about that.

702
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Speaker 1: Last year, New England spent a fortune on free agency

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Speaker 1: and they got to the Super Bowl, So I mean

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Speaker 1: Denvers should have gotten to the Super Bowl. They drafted

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that Sean Payton liked, but a lot of

706
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Speaker 1: people thought was a second round quarterback. So I guess

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Speaker 1: my point is there's just a lot of different ways

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Speaker 1: to win in college sports. Money matters, but what are

709
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Speaker 1: you doing with the money? And it's the same thing

710
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean literally, for two years the

711
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Speaker 1: number one most talked about playing the NFL was the

712
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Speaker 1: tush push. That was the unstoppable play. Then last year

713
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Speaker 1: was a little bit more stoppable. And here comes Seattle

714
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Speaker 1: with their great GM and their great young defense based

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Speaker 1: on amazing drafting. So there's I mean, the Buccaneers did

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Speaker 1: it with a forty three year old quarterback I think

717
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Speaker 1: he was forty three at the time, who really was

718
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Speaker 1: more told and physical. That was a totally different way

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Speaker 1: to do it. With an old head coach that wasn't

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Speaker 1: a hipster, he was an old school guy. So sports

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Speaker 1: can be kind of you know, homogeneous at times, like

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Speaker 1: in basketball you gotta shoot threes and in baseball you

723
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Speaker 1: know the lawnch angle. You know, you want some power.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I look at the NIL and I

725
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Speaker 1: think it's broadened and out. I think it's given all

726
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Speaker 1: sorts of teams a chance to compete if you get

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Speaker 1: to a baseline number of money.

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Speaker 11: Colin, did you notice it's not just the blue bloods

729
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Speaker 11: are kind of done. There's no huge advantage like in

730
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Speaker 11: college football, right, but the smaller guys, the Illinois, they

731
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Speaker 11: have to and they're not that small. They have to

732
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Speaker 11: figure out where can I find an edge? So they

733
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Speaker 11: went internationally right right and grabbed all these guys. Arizona

734
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Speaker 11: has several international players. Well, the next frontier, I'm telling you,

735
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Speaker 11: is going to be D three and D two guys

736
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Speaker 11: because not everybody grows at the same rate. You know,

737
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Speaker 11: some guys in high school the pop freshman self for

738
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Speaker 11: year in Division two or three. That's remember Duncan Robinson,

739
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Speaker 11: he was like a Division three star, goes to Michigan boom.

740
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Speaker 11: He's a fifty million dollar guy in the NBA. So

741
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Speaker 11: I don't want to hear this. Cinderella is dead. If

742
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Speaker 11: you're on the low major or mid major, you've got

743
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Speaker 11: to find a new edge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's slow down on Cinderella's dead. Cinderella was

745
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Speaker 1: always pretty dead. I always thought Mark I said this

746
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Speaker 1: one hundred times. The mythology around March badness was always overstated.

747
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Speaker 1: It was what you would get every weekend. You used

748
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Speaker 1: to get two or three upsets. You wouldn't get twelve.

749
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Speaker 1: You weren't getting twelve ups Now now it did feel

750
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Speaker 1: like the little guy Belmont could lose to Duke by eight,

751
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Speaker 1: not eighteen. Yes, but those little guys were never winning

752
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Speaker 1: the try. I mean, Butler is a historic outlier. You

753
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Speaker 1: can go back to John Wooden and UCLA, the Kentucky teams,

754
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Speaker 1: the Duke teams, the Carolina's team. College basketball has been

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Speaker 1: dominated by the same six programs largely. Yeah, my whole life.

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Speaker 11: I mean, remember the Lehigh took down Duke. Remember that CJ.

757
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Speaker 11: McCollums Lee High team iconic game.

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Speaker 3: I still remember it.

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Speaker 11: And it's not like Lei is gonna win a seven

760
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Speaker 11: game series with Duke. But it just proves that the

761
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Speaker 11: small guy right has a chance to sit at the

762
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Speaker 11: table with the big bay and take him down. The

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Speaker 11: college football never offered the small guy a chance, and

764
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Speaker 11: now it does. And I kind of like that SMU

765
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Speaker 11: making a college football playoff. Indiana was a small guy

766
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Speaker 11: for decades. They're now at the table and winning Natties.

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Speaker 11: And I think that's why the SEC crowd is really

768
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Speaker 11: ticked off. You've got politicians down there saying here's how

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Speaker 11: we end nil. It's like, whoa guy, what.

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Speaker 3: Are you doing? Sick to politics?

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Speaker 1: I mean that good luck ending nil. We're gonna let him.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think the SEC, if you really

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Speaker 1: truly believe that, and you're the SEC commissioner, Okay, you

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Speaker 1: end nil for your conference and see how competitive you

775
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Speaker 1: are because players are paid. That's not going backwards. We're

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Speaker 1: not going to go backwards and not pay the players now. Now,

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Speaker 1: I do think there have been tweaks to the transfer portal,

778
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Speaker 1: which is you're allowed to transfer once anywhere you want.

779
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: The second time you have to sit out one year.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that, but I mean it,

781
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Speaker 1: and it should be noted not that many guys are

782
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Speaker 1: transferred in three and four times. It's very very rare.

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Speaker 1: Most guys transfer once.

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Speaker 11: So the guy on Illinois Sriyakovic. Pasia is his father.

785
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Speaker 11: He saw him last night.

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Speaker 3: He's on his third team in three years.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: I don't personally have a problem with that.

790
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Speaker 11: Some people are like, wow, that's not great.

791
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Speaker 3: Who cares?

792
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Speaker 11: Why do you care that Sriyakovic's son is bouncing around

793
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 11: college basketball looking for the right fit. Why would you care?

794
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Speaker 11: Give him the freedom to go around and make money.

795
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Speaker 11: Let him go to the market and he'll go to

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Speaker 11: the highest bidder.

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Speaker 3: What's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't have a problem with guys getting paid, don't.

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Speaker 1: I think we tend to kind of demonize new stuff,

800
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Speaker 1: and I think it's fine. I think anytime you bring

801
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Speaker 1: in something that is drastically different in any platform or

802
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: any business, you bring in something that is drastically different,

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Speaker 1: it's never solved day one. It's always the wild wild West.

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00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I can remember when taxis

805
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: are replaced by Uber and it was lawsuits. It was wild.

806
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: Now now Uber, you got Lyft, you got way Mo.

807
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: The world changes, and I think but college forts made

808
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Speaker 1: such dramatic changes overnight, and so there's been a lot

809
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: of like bailing water, trying to figure out what's right

810
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Speaker 1: and they'll they'll figure it out. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: the attendance, the numbers, the excitement, the passion, the ratings,

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Speaker 1: the revenue. Up up up up, up up up. It's

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Speaker 1: a fun watch