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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

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Speaker 2: The sun may have set over our city this evening,

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Speaker 2: but as Eugene Debs once said, I can see the dawn.

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Speaker 3: Of a better day for humanity.

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Speaker 4: The story for tonight is actually that the Socialist Party

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Speaker 4: is taking over.

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Speaker 1: The Democrat Party.

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Speaker 3: And you know what it was, Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 1: It was Kathy Hoochel.

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Speaker 5: Who were the Democrats that were so afraid of their shadows, so.

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Speaker 6: Afraid of the radical left.

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Speaker 3: People like Alexandra Kusi or Krotesq can't move and move

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Speaker 3: and moveing and satisfy them. And now they've been eaten alive.

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Speaker 3: So this is a lesson for the Democrat Party. They

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Speaker 3: should have fought.

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Speaker 6: For their party.

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Speaker 3: They never fought for their party. They catered to the

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Speaker 3: radical left.

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Speaker 7: We are dealing with a party that is so extreme

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Speaker 7: that considers its opponents to.

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Speaker 8: Be its mortal enemies.

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Speaker 7: This is a dangerous party, This is a dangerous movement.

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Speaker 7: And when you're seeing in New York City with Mom Dami,

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Speaker 7: that is the future. A party that believes in no bail,

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Speaker 7: A party believes in no jail. A part of the

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Speaker 7: beliefs in no borders. But here's one group they do

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Speaker 7: want to put in jail. They're political enemies. Like good communists,

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Speaker 7: they will not arrest their criminals, they want to arrest

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Speaker 7: the game members, but they will arrest their political opposition.

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Speaker 7: That's how society dies, Sean, That's what we're up against

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Speaker 7: now as a president.

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Speaker 9: You're beloved new York City.

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Speaker 10: Beloved New York City may well be led by a

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Speaker 10: communist soon, Zorhan Mandami, who in his nomination speech said

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Speaker 10: he will defy ICE and will not allow ICE to

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Speaker 10: arrest criminal aliens in New York City. Your message to communists,

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Speaker 10: Zorhan Mandami, Well.

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Speaker 11: Then we'll have to arrest him, Locky.

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Speaker 5: We don't need a communist in this country, but if

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Speaker 5: we have one, I'm going to be watching over him

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Speaker 5: very carefully on behalf of the nation.

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Speaker 12: He's going to turn out to be much less than

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Speaker 12: a communistry.

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Speaker 1: Right now, he's a communist.

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Speaker 11: That's not a socialist. You know, I've always said we will.

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Speaker 1: Not have socialism in this country.

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Speaker 13: In the speech, as I say, well what they skipped socialism?

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Speaker 2: So, Donald Trump, since I know you're watching.

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Speaker 3: I have four words for you. Turn the volume up.

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Speaker 14: I wonder how Mum Donnie would have done against better opposition.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, let's be honest, Cuomo, it can now

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Speaker 9: be said.

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Speaker 14: You know, even though Trump was formal with this guy's terrible, terrible,

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Speaker 14: you know, I wonder how he would have done against

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Speaker 14: more legitimate opposition, all the part about the young voters.

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Speaker 2: My friends, we have toppled a political dynasty. I wish

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Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo only the best in private life. But let

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Speaker 2: tonight be the final time I utter his name as

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Speaker 2: we turn the page on the politics that abandons the

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Speaker 2: many and answers only to the fume.

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Speaker 15: New York City is about to elect a Muslim socialist

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Speaker 15: and went totally vild.

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Speaker 3: People said, what are you talk from?

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Speaker 9: No one's evening heard.

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Speaker 3: Of this guy.

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Speaker 15: His base of support are the people that have been

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Speaker 15: educated to a place of stupidity. I wrote the entire

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Speaker 15: book of the college scamp for a reason that I said,

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Speaker 15: the colleges are introducing idea toxins and philosophical pathogens that

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Speaker 15: will deteriorate and will destabilize the United States of America.

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Speaker 3: His base are the people.

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Speaker 15: That have the most college degrees. So basically, the people

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Speaker 15: that are the richest, the most sheltered, and the most

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Speaker 15: out of touch with the everyday concerns.

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Speaker 2: I speak of Yemeni bodagg owners in Mexican up with us,

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Speaker 2: Senegalese taxi drivers, and who's backing verses, Trinidadian line cooks

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Speaker 2: and Ethiopian anties.

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Speaker 16: New York will remain a city of immigrants, a city

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Speaker 16: built by immigrants, powered by immigrants, and as of.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, led by an immigrant.

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Speaker 15: He is the candidate for freaks who hate normal people

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Speaker 15: and resentful immigrants who hate the West. And we imported

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Speaker 15: his base in New York City. And if we are

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Speaker 15: serious about taking back America and taking out Western civilization,

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Speaker 15: if we are serious about the reclamation project in front

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Speaker 15: of us, if we are serious about it.

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Speaker 3: Then Zoorn Mamdani.

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Speaker 9: Must be defeated.

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Speaker 1: Every day there is a battle for your mind, raging

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Speaker 1: information coming from every angle, but the will to deceive.

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Speaker 1: I fear not. You found the place for truth, the

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Speaker 1: voice of a generation that still has the will to

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Speaker 1: believe in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot, here

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Speaker 1: we go on, all.

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Speaker 9: Right, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 17: It's the day after what was largely a very lackluster

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Speaker 17: I would say, dispiriting evening.

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Speaker 3: No, just let's just not let's just rip the band

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Speaker 3: aid off.

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Speaker 9: It was bad, it was bad.

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Speaker 3: We got whacked in the races that you know.

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Speaker 17: It didn't go well. It didn't go well. And there's

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Speaker 17: it's only cope to say that all these were blue states.

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Speaker 17: I mean, I think there is some truth to that.

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Speaker 17: I think you could overreact because again, this is New Jersey,

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Speaker 17: it's Virginia. But the truth is is that we did

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Speaker 17: worse than we did in twenty twenty one, Okay, in

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Speaker 17: these in these places. So it was a up, it

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Speaker 17: was a step back, and we need to be we

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Speaker 17: need to be honest about that and acknowledge that. I'm

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Speaker 17: joined by Blake Nef and Tyler Boyer, CEO of Turning

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Speaker 17: Point Action.

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Speaker 9: Uh, there was one bright.

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Speaker 17: Spot, there was a there was a okay, listen, there

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Speaker 17: was actually a few maybe bright spots, one extraordinarily bright spot,

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Speaker 17: and that was here in Mesa, Arizona, and the Turning

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Speaker 17: Point Action team led the charge on that the grassroots

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Speaker 17: rose up and ousted in a in a really difficult scenario. Spillsbury,

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Speaker 17: who was the Republicans for Kamala leader in the state

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Speaker 17: of Arizona. So, Tyler Boyer, why don't you tell us

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Speaker 17: the backstory there?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean this was this was covered by the

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Speaker 6: New York Times. I'm dropping in the chat if we

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Speaker 6: want to throw it up. Politico brought this up. This

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Speaker 6: is a huge race. So essentially what happened was the

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Speaker 6: face of Republicans for Kamala. So you want to talk

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Speaker 6: about Soros type fundeds, you had this entire mind f

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Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it, that happened in twenty

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Speaker 6: Republicans for Biden and then Republican later became Republicans for

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Speaker 6: So the face of this organization in many ways was

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Speaker 6: the mayor of Mesa, Arizona. His name was John Giles.

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Speaker 6: He got termed out and so it was done this

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Speaker 6: last year and his former vice mayor, Julie Spillsbury, who

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Speaker 6: both were lds, both were Mormon, uh and they were

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Speaker 6: running as the face of this national operation that was

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Speaker 6: abandoned Trump. If you're Republican and vote against him in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, she he spoke at the DNC.

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Speaker 3: She was very vocal.

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Speaker 6: She was on advertisements, you know, with you know, espousing,

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Speaker 6: you know, her elected position that she should be trusted.

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Speaker 6: And this is like a Lensky tactics one oh one

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Speaker 6: is use all these things to try to persuade kind

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Speaker 6: as much going on and saying, oh, everybody's voting against

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Speaker 6: Trump and so therefore I should too.

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Speaker 17: All right, So what are the lessons here from this

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Speaker 17: local race that we can extrapolate to the national scenes.

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Speaker 3: So this is the heart of the I mean, these

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Speaker 6: Psyops some people call them, these type of things that

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Speaker 6: they control the narrative around these elections.

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Speaker 3: So we ran U.

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Speaker 6: We didn't run into the grassroots ran and we supported

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Speaker 6: it fully. Was removing this person from office. To recall

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Speaker 6: or remove someone from office is one of the most

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Speaker 6: difficult things that you can do with in politics. But

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Speaker 6: this is so important to do when people try to

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Speaker 6: run these type of operations, and it was hard work.

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Speaker 6: You have to go out recruit all of the people

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Speaker 6: then ultimately win the election this lady last year. The

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Speaker 6: the biggest cities in America. It's like top thirty five cities.

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Speaker 17: This is actually Maricopa is like the fifth largest metro

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Speaker 6: It's the fourth largest metropolitan area in the country. And

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Speaker 6: it's and the Phoenix metro area, So Phoenix MASA is

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Speaker 6: usually how it's referred to, is the most conservative out

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Speaker 6: number one for the Democrats to topple. The Democrats want

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Speaker 6: to term Americopa County blue for obvious reasons. We all

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Speaker 6: know all of the hanky panky that's gone on with

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Speaker 17: It they would recruit a Mormon to do this too,

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Speaker 17: So I just want to like, I want to crystallize

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Speaker 17: this for everybody. This is a recall election where it's

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Speaker 17: an R versus an R. That's the toughest type of

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Speaker 17: election to educate a population that's kind of checked out.

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Speaker 17: It's an off cycle off your election, which R am

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Speaker 17: I choosing right, And so you have to then do

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Speaker 17: the grassroots work, the door knocking in order to get

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Speaker 6: And because one this is how they do it right,

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Speaker 6: So one is like a fraudulent Republican that has the

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Speaker 3: All the Democrats.

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Speaker 6: A Republican for Kamala, Yeah, it's all the backing of

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Speaker 6: to as the Uni Party, and then you have to

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Speaker 6: also tackle the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 17: Because they're not going to run a Democrat in this

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Speaker 17: district because it's so conservative. So they're they're they're putting

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Speaker 17: a wolf in sheep's clothing to come and do this

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Speaker 17: in a place like Mesa.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and because they're trying to flip Mesa right, like

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Speaker 6: they're they're over time. They want to make Mesa blue,

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Speaker 6: and so they've they've they've been fairly successful at this

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Speaker 6: in years past. And you're basically even in a place

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Speaker 6: where it's sixty percent Republican, that's that's like this district.

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Speaker 6: This district's like fifty fifty five, sixty percent Republican, but

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Speaker 6: again it's like thirty plus percent forty percent Democrat. You

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Speaker 6: have to again when basically all the Republicans educate all

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Speaker 6: the Republicans to vote against her. So yesterday, that was

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Speaker 6: the huge bright spot was this leader. This was a

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Speaker 9: And let me just back that up.

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Speaker 17: There was Axios, there was Politico, there was New York Times.

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Speaker 9: They were all out here on a city council.

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Speaker 17: Race, following everything, following everything, calling everybody, like harassing everybody

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Speaker 6: And also when people don't realize this is that these

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Speaker 17: Well, if you run the models there, it's like, what

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Speaker 17: So if you break the back of the Democrat Party

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Speaker 17: Well guess what, their models get a lot trickier, a

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, that's right, and we have more on this.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, well it's going to be pretty great. Yeah we

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Speaker 20: Look, people are always saying that they wish they had

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Speaker 9: Too bad, so sad, We'll be right back.

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Speaker 17: That stack of statements on your kitchen table will stop

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Speaker 9: Stressor for you. You gotta check it out.

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Speaker 17: Why refly offers a three minute rate check without any

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Speaker 17: They are great patriots, good people. They're in it for

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Speaker 17: So we are going to now turn our attention. So

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Speaker 17: We're going to turn our attention to New Hampshire, where

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Speaker 17: Gonna diagnose larger problems about what we saw last night.

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Speaker 9: All right, welcome back to Charlie Kirkshaw. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 17: Tyler, I think you're gonna like this is Julie Spillsbury

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Speaker 20: They're a national organization, they have a ton of money,

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Speaker 3: How do I fight that? How do I fight that?

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Speaker 20: And the recall would never have been successful without Points employees,

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Speaker 6: We had all of these people that were knocking doors

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Speaker 9: So it's a great it's a great clip.

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Speaker 17: Let's let's let's turn our attention because that was a

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Speaker 17: So tell us what happened in New Hampshire. Is a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, our team was on the ground. We have an

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Speaker 9: Did we have enough? Obviously not? But secondly, you know,

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Speaker 17: staffer on, very very small. So but here's here's what

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Speaker 17: gargantuan that we can be in all fifty states. That's

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Speaker 17: not at all how it was. Charlie was very good

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Speaker 17: about saying no. Okay, he was saying no to bad investments,

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Speaker 17: and he would focus turning points attention, and that's what

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Speaker 17: we're doing. We are very focused on building a red

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Speaker 17: wall that can that can literally make their models have

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Speaker 17: to go in very unfavorable territory in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 6: I'll say it's real quick, Andrew, is that you have

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Speaker 6: to have enough time.

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Speaker 3: To build it and you have to put the resources

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Speaker 3: down in We're gonna.

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Speaker 17: Keep talking about this on the other side of the

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Speaker 17: break because this is critically important.

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Speaker 9: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 12: I'm Real America's Voice News correspondent Bo Davidson. I'm live

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Speaker 12: right here at the Casseya Center in Miami, Florida, the

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Speaker 12: epicenter of business, of innovation, of tech. I'm at the

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Speaker 12: America Business Forum. That This is a consortium of business

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Speaker 12: leaders of innovators, and it's designed to be kind of

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Speaker 12: a more accessible version of the World Economic Forum in Davos.

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Speaker 12: Of course, much more accessible here than in the Swiss House,

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Speaker 12: but it's at the confluence of culture, of sports and

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Speaker 12: of business. Many many leaders speaking here today, including our

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Speaker 12: social developers, athletes, entrepreneurs. AI is a big theme here today,

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Speaker 12: the USA is being presented as the economic powerhouse and

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Speaker 12: investment Powerhouse. The twenty twenty five theme for this conference

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Speaker 12: is the World Meets in America.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 12: The spotlights Miami as an epicenter, sort of a bridge

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Speaker 12: This is tenth inception, tenth edition now.

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Speaker 9: Here in Miami.

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Speaker 12: Miami leading the way in terms of innovation, entrepreneurship, tech

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Speaker 12: innovation AI. Right now, the Saudi Ambassador to the United

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Speaker 12: Suarez says that he thinks Trump's recent travels have been

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Speaker 12: transformational in his presidency, and so Donald Trump will be

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Speaker 12: his recent Asian tour Malaysia, Japan, even meeting with Shi Jinping.

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Speaker 12: And it may be a rebuke of the elections that

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Speaker 12: happened yesterday and the direction that Democrats are pushing this

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Speaker 9: So Trump will.

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Speaker 12: Focus on deregulation, energy the independents. Oil price is coming down,

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Speaker 12: and affordability. Affordability has been a major issue top of

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Speaker 12: mind for many Americans earlier today Maria Machado's books.

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Speaker 9: She's the Nobel Peace Prize winner.

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Speaker 12: She said that Venezuela, her native Venezuela, will be free.

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Speaker 12: She said that Nicholas Maduro is not a state leader

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Speaker 12: because he's the head of a narco terrorist country. And

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Speaker 12: of course Donald Trump has designated narco terrorist countries as

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Speaker 12: being as being on our terrorist watch list. So Maduro

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Speaker 12: started the war. Maria says that Trump is ending it.

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Speaker 12: She says, the nobob Prize.

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Speaker 9: Is your award.

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Speaker 12: It's a shared a war that we can all share

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Speaker 12: in liberty and democracy. We also had Adam Newman CEO

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Speaker 12: if it all goes right? Other speakers today are going

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Speaker 12: to be the Saudi ambassad of the US. As I

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Speaker 12: mentioned on stage, Tony Robbins will be speaking President Trump

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Speaker 12: except the latter one PM Ki Fridden.

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Speaker 1: This most will not be silenced, fearless to the Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk Show.

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Speaker 17: All right, let me tell you really quickly about one

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Speaker 17: of our partners here, and then we're going to diagnose

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Speaker 17: what we think happened last night and how we correct it.

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Speaker 17: Charlie built a thriving community through conversation. It's not something

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Speaker 17: that happens overnight. It happens over time, one connection at

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Speaker 17: a time. TikTok offers opportunities for respectful exchange of ideas

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Speaker 17: and through that, opportunities for community. No one talk over

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Speaker 17: each other, but talk to each other. You'll find creators

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Speaker 17: who teach and encourage on TikTok. A carpenter passing on

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Speaker 17: his craft, a mom explaining how to make a budget stretch,

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Speaker 17: or a gardener's showing us how to bring a backyard

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Speaker 17: the desire to connect and to be understood and to understand.

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Speaker 9: That's what makes a strong community.

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Speaker 17: A common desire to connect, to find a way through

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Speaker 17: forward through respectful dialogue, building trust and feeling heard, freedom

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Speaker 17: to speak what we know and hear each other out.

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Speaker 17: That's what the power of TikTok. It gives everyone a

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Speaker 17: seat at the table, place to speak to listen and

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Speaker 17: remind each other what connection looks like. Conversations build connections,

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Speaker 17: and connections build communities, and men to Charlie have a huge,

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Speaker 17: huge reach on TikTok. Purses of Charlie kirkshow are sponsored

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Speaker 17: in part by TikTok. All Right, I want to I

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Speaker 17: want to get into what I believe happened last night,

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Speaker 17: and then Blake and Tyler, I think you know, chime

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Speaker 9: Wrong and add to it. Here here's here's the bottom line.

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Speaker 17: And I go back to something we talked about with

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Speaker 17: something that we need to confront and be very aware

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Speaker 17: of and be honest about, and that is that a

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Speaker 17: lot of people believe that the things that President Trump

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Speaker 17: were elected on, namely the economy, immigration, energy prices, the

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Speaker 17: affordability crisis, those things are not being addressed. They feel

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Speaker 17: like the the Republicans that were elected in November are

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Speaker 17: focusing too much on foreign policy affairs, their their attention is.

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Speaker 9: Not on the domestic issues. Now, do I think some

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Speaker 9: of that is fair? Sure?

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Speaker 17: Do I think some of it's unfair. I actually really

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Speaker 17: think a lot of it's unfair. I think that we

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Speaker 17: have to wait for some of these policies to take

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Speaker 17: their effect. But perception is reality, and some of that

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Speaker 17: perception is showing up in the enthusiasm gaps between Democrats

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Speaker 17: and Republicans. And you saw that last night. You saw

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Speaker 17: a state like Virginia, which Glen Younkin held. Every single

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Speaker 17: county moved to the left. Show two eighty three. Put

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Speaker 17: two eighty three up there if you can. This is

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Speaker 17: a map of Virginia, and every single county moved to

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Speaker 17: the left. There's not one red arrow on that county.

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Speaker 17: What's happening is you're getting a lot of normy, sort

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Speaker 17: of working class ethnic minority voters that said, hey, Trump's

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Speaker 17: good at making me money. I had more money in

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Speaker 17: my pocket when President Trump was president of the first

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Speaker 17: time who just come out to the polls because they thought, hey,

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Speaker 17: I'm poor. Now I'm gonna give the other guy a shot.

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Speaker 17: And they don't feel that yet, don't see it yet.

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Speaker 17: And again, perception is reality. We have to do these big, audacious, crazy,

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Speaker 17: you know policies where you know, I mentioned to Rich Barris,

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Speaker 17: we need a Hoover dam.

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Speaker 9: Obviously we're not gonna be building a dam in twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty five.

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Speaker 17: But we need these big visual markers to say, hey,

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Speaker 17: we're breaking ground on this big thing, We're focusing on

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Speaker 17: this big thing. We're delivering for our voters. And again,

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Speaker 17: a lot of this is going to be low propensity. Normally,

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Speaker 17: people that are not checked into the political process every day,

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Speaker 17: like a lot of you that are watching the show,

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Speaker 17: a lot of us that follow this every day, they

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Speaker 17: need big wins that make them feel a certain way,

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Speaker 17: that make them feel like the politicians they elected to

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Speaker 17: office and to power are doing the work that they

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Speaker 17: elected them to do. It's the economy stupid. I know

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Speaker 17: that it's cliche at this point, but that's true. We

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Speaker 17: see that in the polling there's too much focus on

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Speaker 17: these external affairs. The only one of the domestic policy

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Speaker 17: fronts that President Trump is scoring high on right now

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Speaker 17: is immigration.

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Speaker 9: So yes, that becomes an.

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Speaker 17: Animating issue for the left, but ultimately people, the majority

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Speaker 17: of people are still happy that the border is not

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Speaker 17: overrun by illegals.

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Speaker 6: Well, and keep in mind, Andrew, so you know off

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Speaker 6: election cycle elections, so non traditional.

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Speaker 9: Non presidential years, really well even midterms.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is again this isn't even a midterm election.

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Speaker 3: This is an off presidential cycle.

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Speaker 6: So what happens is that you have low turnout and

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Speaker 6: and the and the determining factor is who shows up

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Speaker 6: and who gets their people out.

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Speaker 17: So you have two it's two points. I was about

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Speaker 17: to get to that point. So the first point is

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Speaker 17: enthusiasm gap and right now, just we're just being honest,

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Speaker 17: enthusiasm drive turnout. Enthusiasm is down for us right now

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Speaker 17: because of a couple things. I think again, it's this

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Speaker 17: foreign policy fixation. Are are those wins important? Yes, because

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Speaker 17: that when we have peace in the world, we're allowed

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Speaker 17: to focus on domestic issues. So you almost have to

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Speaker 17: fix the all the garbage that was going on in

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Speaker 17: order to be able to fixate on the policy is

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Speaker 17: But again, perceptions reality, we need to as many of

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Speaker 17: these foreign trips and all this stuff.

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Speaker 9: It's really important.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 17: We need to actually message equally, if not way more

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Speaker 17: so on the domestic wins, the domestic achievements here, right,

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Speaker 17: and then you part you pair that with an enthusiasm gap,

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Speaker 17: You pair that with something that Data Republican mentioned really quick.

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Speaker 17: Throw up image three hundred and she's looking across indeed

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Speaker 17: in the job sites and she found over six thousand

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Speaker 17: jobs for grassroots. These are civic engagement people. This would

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Speaker 17: be ballot chasers on the left. Now make so, here's

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Speaker 17: here's the pairing of these two nodes. You've got to

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Speaker 17: have the infrastructure to drive low propensity voters out, but

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Speaker 17: you just have to have policy wins and candidates that

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Speaker 17: are that inspire enthusiasm.

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Speaker 9: It's a both and all.

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Speaker 17: Right. So in twenty twenty four, Kamala Harris still had

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Speaker 17: and the Democrats still had the edge on ballot ground

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Speaker 17: round game stuff. They had more people out in the

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Speaker 17: field in Nevada, Swing state. Had her door knocked on

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Speaker 17: about fourteen times. She was throwing out all of this,

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Speaker 17: the paperwork they were leaving, the pamphlets and all this

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Speaker 17: stuff because she didn't want.

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Speaker 9: To vote for Kamala. It didn't matter.

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Speaker 17: My mom's kind of a swing voter. Actually, she's kind

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Speaker 17: of Issu's proudly independent.

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Speaker 9: I try.

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Speaker 17: I've been working on her for years. But the point is,

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Speaker 17: because she was on their radar, she got hit up

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Speaker 17: a lot. Okay, it didn't matter because for Kamala she

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Speaker 17: was a bad candidate. Okay, Trump was coming in after

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Speaker 17: a disastrous four years, people were ready for change. Okay,

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Speaker 17: So you have to pair up enthusiasm with ground game,

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Speaker 17: and when they have six thousand job postings on the

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Speaker 17: Democrat side to get out ground game and knock on doors,

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Speaker 17: that is a heck of a mountain to climb when

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Speaker 17: you're Conservatives with a low prop voting base and an

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Speaker 17: off year election.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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Speaker 17: So the point is this focus on domestic focus on

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Speaker 17: policy wins. Perception is reality. You have to show tell

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Speaker 17: and reveal to the audience the things that you're doing

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Speaker 17: for them to make their their lives easier and better,

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Speaker 17: to make them richer. And then finally you have to

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Speaker 17: build the infrastructure. We have to keep building. A lot

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Speaker 17: of people think turning point can be in fifty states.

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Speaker 17: That's not really going to ever happen. Okay, there's limited resources.

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Speaker 17: The donor class has to align with the with the

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Speaker 17: new realities of elections and the new realities of the

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Speaker 17: conservative base, and that is that we are a low

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Speaker 17: prop party that's lacking in enthusiasm and the coalition that

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Speaker 17: we built, we've done a lot to actually alienate them,

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Speaker 17: and we have to be honest about that.

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Speaker 6: Well, you brought up something really am poor Andrews. Again,

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Speaker 6: look a look back at Glenn Youngkinsdrace, and Glenn Youngkin's

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Speaker 6: a very nice guy. I just was in a room

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Speaker 6: with him this week, and he speaks very well and

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Speaker 6: he I think he's appealing to a lot of great.

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Speaker 17: Candidate I mean, you can disagree with him at call

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Speaker 17: him like a rhino or something. Not true, maggot, I'm

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Speaker 17: telling you the guy's a great candidate player state like Virginia.

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Speaker 3: Well, but let's look back four years ago. Let's look

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Speaker 3: back at to when he ran.

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Speaker 6: He when he ran, he won because the moms showed

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Speaker 6: up big time because if you remember the enthusiast point,

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Speaker 6: so the enthusiasm wave that he wrote on was Remember

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Speaker 6: there was this entire.

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Speaker 3: Scuffle that was happening across the.

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Speaker 6: State of Virginia where parents were showing up to school

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Speaker 6: board meetings and that gave them the wave, the enthusiasm

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Speaker 6: lift for him to win.

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Speaker 17: Well, let's check this out. So let's throw up image

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Speaker 17: two ninety six. I think this is really telling Virginia

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Speaker 17: ag race by gender.

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Speaker 9: Look at this. So this again, this is Jay Jones.

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Speaker 17: Who proudly fetishizes killing his political opponents doubles down, even

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Speaker 17: when the person on the other end of the text

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Speaker 17: is telling him that they're uncomfortable with the way he's talking.

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Speaker 17: Females sixty one percent to forty four for Jones, So Andrew,

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Speaker 17: let me sixty one to forty four.

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Speaker 3: Let me spell this out for everyone.

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Speaker 6: If you have a twenty plus percent, and in a

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Speaker 6: lot of cases it's more than twenty percent, a twenty

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Speaker 6: to thirty percent differential on candidates for females left, they're

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Speaker 6: voting for leftists by twenty to thirty points. In addition,

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Speaker 6: and then our males, you saw the numbers, Our men

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Speaker 6: are not matching the same numbers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are not matching the same numbers. But it's close.

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Speaker 6: Men are voting for the Republicans by fifteen to twenty points.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's But here's the problem point edge.

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Speaker 6: If fewer men show up to vote and more women

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Speaker 6: show up to vote, then they have a dramatic differential

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Speaker 6: differential in that. So, again a presidential you have about

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Speaker 6: the same amount of men and women who show up

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Speaker 6: to vote. In a off election year, you have a

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Speaker 6: lot more women potentially show up to vote.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the data in front of me for Virginia.

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Speaker 6: But I can just tell you right now by the

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Speaker 6: outcome is that a lot more women showed up to

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Speaker 6: vote the men, and because of that differential, you're going

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Speaker 6: to lose every time.

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Speaker 17: Well, and this was a big story in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 17: how we drove the men out. I mean, there was

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Speaker 17: articles written about turning point targeting men with text campaigns.

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Speaker 17: I mean, and you had the entire red They were

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Speaker 17: calling it the manisphere and the Roguan effect and all

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Speaker 17: this stuff. Well, guess what. Men are harder to get

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Speaker 17: out to the polls than women. Women just vote more,

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Speaker 17: They just vote more often. They're more predictable voters, and

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Speaker 17: they tend to be prone to emotional arguments that Democrats make.

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Speaker 17: Check out this this image two ninety seven. This is Virginia.

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Speaker 17: By how many children do you have? And if you

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Speaker 17: have them, then you voted for mieris the Republican candidate.

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Speaker 17: If you don't, you voted for J.

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Speaker 9: Jones.

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Speaker 17: So there's another dynamic there. Let's go to New Jersey

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Speaker 17: and go by age. This one's terrifying, Blake, and I

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Speaker 17: think you shall chime in. I mean, so all the

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Speaker 17: gains that we had with young people and I'll never

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Speaker 17: forget this. I mean, I don't want to spill too

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Speaker 17: many beans here. I'll never forget this. This is an

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Speaker 17: image to ninety eight. But there were at least three

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Speaker 17: instances where Charlie called the administration and said, all the

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Speaker 17: gains that we we saw in that election with young people,

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Speaker 17: you guys are jeopardizing them.

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Speaker 18: I'll just put it this like, I think, let's not

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Speaker 18: beat around the bush here, guys, this went bad because

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Speaker 18: right now Trump is an unpopular president.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna lay it out.

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Speaker 18: President Trump's approval rating on average is about forty two percent.

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Speaker 18: His disapproval is fifty five percent today at the average

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Speaker 18: today is the lowest it's been his entire second term.

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Speaker 18: And if you're in the guy at the top is

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Speaker 18: not that popular, it's going to have a cascading effect

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Speaker 18: down the ballot. And if you look at individual issues,

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Speaker 18: he's underwater on inflation, he's underwater on trade, he's underwater

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Speaker 18: on the economy, all of those by over fifteen points.

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Speaker 18: He's even underwater on immigration by five percent. And you

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Speaker 18: know some of that you can debate, Oh, is it

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Speaker 18: because they want it faster versus slower? Besides the point

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Speaker 18: he's underwater. He's the guy at the top, and that's

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Speaker 18: going to affect things. I think the economy is a

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Speaker 18: huge deal if you look at the numbers, look at

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Speaker 18: the economy overall is shaky. The economy for people under

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Speaker 18: thirty is catastrophic. Hiring for entry level positions in the

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Speaker 18: US is horrible right now. Well, in a lot of that,

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Speaker 18: you're seeing the average age the average age of a

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Speaker 18: first time home buyer is over is just eclipsed forty

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Speaker 18: years old. It's gone up I think nine years or

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Speaker 18: something there or seven years in like five years total,

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Speaker 18: it's going up. The average age of a home buyer

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Speaker 18: is rising faster than the passage of time.

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Speaker 6: Let's make this point. You in most states, you cannot

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Speaker 6: win an election. If you lose the under forty vote.

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Speaker 6: You just the entire electorate has shifted. It is millennial heavy.

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Speaker 6: If you are losing it by double digits the millennial vote,

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Speaker 6: you will lose every election. And again, the female vote

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Speaker 6: is contributing heavily towards that.

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Speaker 3: We've got to figure it out.

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Speaker 9: We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Remember remember the fifth of November. Make America great forever.

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Speaker 17: That's quite the bumper, Thank you, thank you, studio. We

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Speaker 17: do remember the fifth of November, last November.

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Speaker 9: It was a great night.

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Speaker 17: It was a night where the coalition came together, a

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Speaker 17: coalition that we built on working people, even some union people.

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Speaker 17: Black's Hispanics came out, by the way, that was a

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Speaker 17: number that was shocking out of New Jersey last night.

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Speaker 9: The Hispanic vote. Felf A Cliff too.

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Speaker 18: You should worry about that one because that giant house

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Speaker 18: redraw They just didn't. Texas was based on we're better

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Speaker 18: with Hispanics now, So we can do this if they

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Speaker 18: swerve back to being really blue. Instead of we pick

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Speaker 18: up five seats in Texas, this could be well, we

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Speaker 18: lose ten seats in time.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'll just say this is that it's again you're

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Speaker 6: talking low propensity voters, right, so we don't want to

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Speaker 6: infer too much off of a non traditional election, a

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Speaker 6: mid term or presidential. But what you do want to

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Speaker 6: do is look at the hard numbers and say did

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Speaker 6: these people turn out? It's really easy to it's really

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Speaker 6: eas he identify. It's really easy identify. Now to your point,

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Speaker 6: if we look at the data and it shows these

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Speaker 6: people turned out, and you lose an election.

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Speaker 3: That's that's saying something.

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Speaker 6: This is why looking at the data at census block level,

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Speaker 6: at precinct level is really important because if you're targeting

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Speaker 6: with full time staff the right voters, with the right

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Speaker 6: people you know, and and geographically demographically, then you get

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Speaker 6: a better outcome.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Again, I think it's three things. Voter enthusiasm. To your point,

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Speaker 17: Trump is at a nator.

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Speaker 3: It's just yeah, he's at a low ebb.

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Speaker 17: He needs at a low ebb. That didn't time out

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Speaker 17: well with these elections. Two, you need the infrastructure. You

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Speaker 17: need donor alignment on what actually works. And it's funny

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Speaker 17: because there's people like I've not seen any you know,

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Speaker 17: indication that with turning Point or Scott Presler or whatever

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Speaker 17: does is actually working. No, that's the wrong conclusion to draw.

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Speaker 17: You need more, not less. And and third you need

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Speaker 17: good candidates that are are are popular. I mean with

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Speaker 17: some series, I never not no disrespect. I think she's

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Speaker 17: a nice lady. I never thought she was a great

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Speaker 17: candidate for that for the governor in Virginia, and it showed.

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Speaker 17: And then yeah, we can extrapolate more. We're gonna welcome

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Speaker 17: back radio.

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Speaker 6: One thing we didn't talk about yet was that looks

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Speaker 6: like the goose is cooked. On the Minneapolis mayor race,

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Speaker 6: Omar Fete looks like lost in rank choice voting. They

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Speaker 6: have rank choice voting that's implemented in Minneapolis, and this

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Speaker 6: is the rare occasion where deep blue city rank choice

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Speaker 6: voting actually benefits a little bit, and Jacob Frye looks

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Speaker 6: like he has squeaked it out by a few thousand votes.

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Speaker 9: Wow, win one, uh win one for the uh.

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Speaker 17: I guess the old school Democrats the rank choice voting.

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Speaker 17: But again, this is this is I'm gonna say that.

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Speaker 17: I don't know how people respond to this, but we

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Speaker 17: were commenting even in the cold open of the show,

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Speaker 17: and you were listening to it, like He's like, I

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Speaker 17: got four words for this is a mom Donnie to Trump?

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Speaker 9: Or was it yeah? It was just Trump. He goes,

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Speaker 9: I have four words for you. Turn the volume up.

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Speaker 17: And I looked at Blake. I was like, damn, he's talented.

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Speaker 17: Omar Fatah was not talented, not talented, not talented at all.

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Speaker 17: Neither is Jacob Fry.

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Speaker 9: But I mean, here's the thing. You had two things

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Speaker 9: happened in the mayoral race in New York City.

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Speaker 17: You had Cuomo, who's got more baggage than a than

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Speaker 17: a you know, American airlines, you know, cross country trip.

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Speaker 9: He's got a ton of baggage. Okay, the guy's got

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Speaker 9: sexual assaults.

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Speaker 17: He basically his policies contributed to killing old people and

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Speaker 17: nursing homes. I mean, the guy's got a lot of

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Speaker 17: baggage in New York and it was actually a little

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Speaker 17: closer than we expected. I mean, to be fair, right,

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Speaker 17: a lot of the SLIWA vote ended up going over

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Speaker 17: and going.

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Speaker 9: With with Cuomo unexpected. Donnie is talented.

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Speaker 17: He's a very talent, and I think he's probably the

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Speaker 17: leading Democrat competing with AOC as far as just energy

882
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Speaker 17: from the base.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's a popular guy. Although again with AOC.

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Speaker 18: Keep in mind some of this is Republicans people watching

885
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Speaker 18: Fox and stuff they like to fixate are the ones

886
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Speaker 18: that keep putting mascot Democrats as well. So I don't

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Speaker 18: know that you want to leap to the conclusion that

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Speaker 18: he's the immediate head of the party. We can anoint

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Speaker 18: him the head of the party, I suppose.

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Speaker 9: But well, listen, he's if he's not the guy, Okay, fine,

891
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Speaker 9: he's one of the guys. Okay.

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Speaker 17: But and here's the other thing. We've talked about this

893
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Speaker 17: a lot blake the youth vote, that the gains we

894
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Speaker 17: made in the youth vote in twenty twenty four. We're

895
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Speaker 17: fickle things like bombing around. Let's just be honest about it.

896
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Speaker 17: The Epstein FICASO, like all of this stuff has been

897
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Speaker 17: chipping away and then and then they still don't feel

898
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Speaker 17: like they can buy a home. There's been no moonshot.

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Speaker 17: I mean, I'll never forget Charlie calling for the moonshot.

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Speaker 17: We need ten million homes we need to make.

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Speaker 18: And by the way, it's easy to say we need

902
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Speaker 18: a moonshot. That's actually a hugely difficult problem to solve.

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Speaker 9: Like course, if you want to do that, you need.

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Speaker 18: To aggressively, radically deregulate a lot of what restricts home building.

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Speaker 18: Right now, you'd have to it's actually a serious problem

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Speaker 18: that takes effort to solve.

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Speaker 3: You'd have to look to imitate the states that have

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Speaker 3: a lot of home building. That would probably be.

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Speaker 18: You know, I bet Texas is pretty good at it.

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Speaker 18: I think the Dakotas are pretty good at it. Florida,

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Speaker 18: imagine is pretty good at it. And you have to

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Speaker 18: generalize those and like push those along, and it's you know,

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Speaker 18: it's easy to say, do a moonshot. Landing on the

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Speaker 18: moon was hard. There's a reason we can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 18: We're not the country that landed on the moon in

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Speaker 18: nineteen six.

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Speaker 17: We're gonna have to We're gonna have to find that

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Speaker 17: country again. And and by the way, there's a there's

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Speaker 17: a huge dynamic in New York that we haven't even

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Speaker 17: got to this hour. The hour fly so fast, but

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Speaker 17: just foreign born voters in New York and in Virginia

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Speaker 17: went overwhelmingly for Mom.

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Speaker 9: Donnie and the Democrats.

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Speaker 17: So you've got foreigners pouring in their voting Democrat and

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Speaker 17: you've got young people that came over gave us a shot,

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Speaker 17: but they were not locked in, and we've done a

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Speaker 17: lot to alienate those six. So you got there's multiple

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Speaker 17: things here that we got to fix it, focus on,

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Speaker 17: our attention on, but we cannot blackpill. We fight, fight, fight,

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Speaker 17: we fight on because guess what, there's no other option.

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Speaker 17: We don't fight because we know we're gonna win. We

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Speaker 17: fight because we know it's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 17: And in politics, you know, a year plus until it

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Speaker 17: was a year until the mid terms, and we got

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Speaker 17: three years until the presidential next presidential election, it's a

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Speaker 17: lot of time to make up ground and to fix

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Speaker 17: some of this stuff.

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Speaker 9: And we've we've we've got to fixate on it. We

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Speaker 9: got to do it. We will. We have our two

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Speaker 9: coming up. Don't go anywhere, Uh lots in store, bear

941
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Speaker 9: at back.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice News Break.

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Speaker 11: I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 4: Gold prices have reached historic hies this year, but slip

945
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Speaker 4: below the four thousand dollars an ounce threshold on Tuesday.

946
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Speaker 4: The drop comes as the dollar hit a three month high.

947
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Speaker 4: Now all of this comes amid the backdrop of the

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Speaker 4: Federal Reserve cutting interest rates last week. So let's bring

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Speaker 4: in Philip Patrick. He's a precious metal specialist with the

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Speaker 4: Birch Gold Group. Philip, Good morning, Good morning, Terrance.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 11: It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 4: So look, there's reporting out this morning that a strong

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Speaker 4: dollar is diving down the value of gold. Is this

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Speaker 4: an either or proposition when it comes to a strong

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Speaker 4: dollar and gold be either strong or weaker.

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Speaker 5: Look, typically gold and the dollar tend to run inversely, so,

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Speaker 5: as you mentioned rightly, we've seen some dollar strengthening that's

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Speaker 5: driven the price of gold down shorter term for a

960
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Speaker 5: little bit of context, though gold is still over forty

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Speaker 5: five percent for the year. Nothing goes up in a

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Speaker 5: straight line, so we saw some dollar strengthening which drove

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Speaker 5: the price of gold down a little bit. We also

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Speaker 5: saw a lot of profit taking right Investors were up

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Speaker 5: at fifty five percent for the year at one point,

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Speaker 5: so obviously some profit taking is natural at times like that,

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Speaker 5: So nothing to be concerned on this side when it

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Speaker 5: comes to precious metals. But typically to answer the question,

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Speaker 5: golden dollar do work inversely?

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Speaker 4: Yes, but is gold then still a good hedge against

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Speaker 4: when the dollar does plummet or kind of rebound?

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Speaker 5: Listen, I think we have systemic problems, and obviously, you know,

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Speaker 5: a stronger dollar I'm hoping for, even if it's at

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Speaker 5: the expense of higher gold prices. Given where we are

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Speaker 5: from a debt and deficit standpoint, I think it's going

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Speaker 5: to be tough to maintain a stronger dollar longer term.

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Speaker 5: On top of that, if we want to become a

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Speaker 5: manufacturing powerhouse, there's some advantages to a weaker currency longer term.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see how it plays out, but I think

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Speaker 5: we still have a very strong climate for gold. What

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Speaker 5: people have to understand, I think we're seeing some systemic

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Speaker 5: changes internationally. The dollar was held overwhelmingly as global reserve.

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Speaker 11: It still is.

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Speaker 9: That gold is creeping up.

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Speaker 5: It's now the number two global reserve our set. It

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Speaker 5: overtook the euro last year, and I think long term,

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Speaker 5: we're going to see that trend continue. At the beginning

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Speaker 5: of this year, they surveyed central banks across the world.

989
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Speaker 5: Seventy three percent of them said they would be reducing

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Speaker 5: dollar holdings and increasing gold holdings over the next half

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Speaker 5: a debt half a decade. So I think that trend

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Speaker 5: will continue.

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Speaker 11: We'll see the.

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Speaker 5: Dollar strengthen a little bit and weaken a little bit,

995
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Speaker 5: but I think the long term trend will be for

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Speaker 5: higher gold rices and unfortunately a weeker US dollar.

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Speaker 4: So you said over the next half a decade, many

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Speaker 4: of these global banks are going to be stacking up

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Speaker 4: on gold. Let's say in the next decade. Are you

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Speaker 4: expecting that gold will ultimately overtake the US dollar as

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Speaker 4: the global reserve currency.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a matter of time.

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's short term next year or two.

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Speaker 5: But I think the trend's going to continue, and the

1006
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Speaker 5: reality is it makes sense. You've got to remember we

1007
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Speaker 5: got thirty eight trillion dollars of debt. We have a

1008
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Speaker 5: two trillion dollar annual deaficit. You know, a year from

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Speaker 5: now debt will be forty three and then forty two.

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Speaker 5: How long will the world continue to finance this debt

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Speaker 5: without commanding higher interests? So, like I said, government debt

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Speaker 5: was viewed as risk free for a long time, basically

1013
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 5: since the eighties. But this gold being global reserve is

1014
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Speaker 5: newer in the context of history. If we go back

1015
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Speaker 5: to the eighties, gold was seventy percent of global reserve,

1016
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Speaker 5: and we've seen this shift away from gold towards debt.

1017
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Speaker 5: But like I said, look at debt to GDP amongst

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Speaker 5: Western nations, it averages over one hundred and ten percent.

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Speaker 5: So I think this view that debt is risk free

1020
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Speaker 5: has been shattered. And gold, of course is where countries go.

1021
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 5: It's where they've always been. This is just a reversion

1022
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Speaker 5: to the norm.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thirty seconds, are you expecting today's election, specifically what

1024
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Speaker 4: happens in New York City with Zoron Mamdani to potentially

1025
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Speaker 4: impact the price of gold specifically and the overall economy.

1026
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Speaker 5: Listen, I think Mandani's bad news for New York. New

1027
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Speaker 5: York is an economic powerhouse for the United States, so

1028
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Speaker 5: it's bad news in general, and gold tends to shine

1029
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Speaker 5: on the back.

1030
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Speaker 11: Of bad news.

1031
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Speaker 5: So I'm hoping they pull off a miracle in New York.

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Speaker 9: But we'll see, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, We absolutely will see. In the meantime, you may

1034
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Speaker 4: want to invest in some gold just in case. Philip

1035
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Speaker 4: Patrick joining us from the Birch Gold Group, and again,

1036
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Speaker 4: right there at the bottom of your screen is all

1037
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Speaker 4: the information that you need.

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Speaker 17: All right, Welcome back our two of the Charlie Kirk Show.

1039
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Speaker 17: I'm Andrew Covid, executive producer of this fine show. Joined

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Speaker 17: as always, well not as always. You've been traveling a

1041
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Speaker 17: bit lately. Blake Neff one of the producers here, as

1042
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 17: well as Rob Henderson, author of Troubled and Substack, writer

1043
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Speaker 17: of Rob Henderson's newsletter. Correct, did I get that right,

1044
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 17: that's right now, all right, so Rob, I'm so glad

1045
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 17: you're here for multiple reasons. I'll just say the top

1046
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Speaker 17: two right now. Now, you were Charlie's last long form interview,

1047
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 17: which is which is A I don't even know how

1048
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Speaker 17: that makes you feel. I don't know how it makes

1049
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 17: me feel, but it's it's just just tell us noteworthy

1050
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Speaker 17: and yeah, tell us.

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Speaker 3: About meeting meeting Charlie. I don't think you've met him

1052
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: before you came in.

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00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right, No, I I told him. I think

1054
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 13: when I first shook his hand, and then when we

1055
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Speaker 13: parted ways that it was an honor to meet him.

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Speaker 13: And now it was just a surreal moment when I

1057
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Speaker 13: learned that I was his last long form interview, because

1058
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Speaker 13: some time had passed between you know, our discussion and

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Speaker 13: then what had happened later, and I presumed, you.

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Speaker 9: Know, he's an extremely busy guy.

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Speaker 13: But uh, yeah, I learned the same day as everyone else,

1062
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Speaker 13: oh this was his last long form And you know,

1063
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Speaker 13: then I felt this you know, internal I don't know

1064
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Speaker 13: what it was, this grieving like you know, all of

1065
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 13: the feelings of that day came back of you know,

1066
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Speaker 13: meeting him, knowing him, and then realizing like, you know,

1067
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Speaker 13: that was the last long discussion that that he'd had,

1068
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Speaker 13: and and made me think of how he was during

1069
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Speaker 13: that interview as he has in all interviews, you know, inquisitive, curious, sharp, thoughtful.

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 13: I'd been interviewed by a lot of different people, and

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Speaker 13: one thing that stood out to me is how.

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Speaker 9: Sharp he was.

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Speaker 13: I would reference a study or a book and I

1075
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Speaker 13: would see him writing things down. He would ask follow

1076
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Speaker 13: up questions, and he asked me questions that I'd never

1077
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Speaker 13: been asked before in other interviews, and I could see, like,

1078
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Speaker 13: you know, it's different to see it, you know, like

1079
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Speaker 13: everyone else on YouTube in the podcast, like, yeah, he's

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Speaker 13: a great interviewer, but then to see him at work

1081
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Speaker 13: in person was just amazing.

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Speaker 3: He was such a professional. Yeah, and I'm so glad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not glad it was his last interview.

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Speaker 18: I'm it was a good topic for this final interview

1085
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 18: because it was hitting on some of the stuff that

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Speaker 18: mattered most to him, not just in an you know,

1087
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Speaker 18: immediate politics sense, but the really big picture things, you know.

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Speaker 18: Erica said inner speech at the memorial that if Charlie

1089
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Speaker 18: had entered politics, his biggest goal would be revived the

1090
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Speaker 18: American family.

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Speaker 3: And we talked a lot about the family, the state

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Speaker 3: of the family.

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Speaker 18: You know, the success sequence, you know what the impact

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Speaker 18: is that we don't have intact families in America anymore,

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Speaker 18: and what could conceivably bring those back.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, those are the really enduring issues. He cared a

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Speaker 3: lot about.

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Speaker 9: Well, and that's a multi pronged issue.

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Speaker 17: Right, there's an economic front, there's a values front, there's

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Speaker 17: a faith front, there's a policy front, obviously, and you

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Speaker 17: are sort of famous because you coin this term luxury beliefs. Right,

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Speaker 17: And I remember you guys interview. I actually watched it

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Speaker 17: happen live over. They connected me, so I was watching

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Speaker 17: it on a zoom feed and you know, I think

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Speaker 17: it's really key that you're here today. And Blake Blake

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00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 17: was like, Hey, you know, he's going to be in town.

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Speaker 17: We should have him back in And it's going to

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Speaker 17: be the day after mom Donnie likely becomes the next

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Speaker 17: mayor or gets elected to become the next mayor of

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Speaker 17: New York City. So when you pair some of the

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Speaker 17: writing and the thinking and the work that you've done

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Speaker 17: on luxury beliefs and you think about that in relation

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Speaker 17: to Mom Donnie just getting elected in New York City.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he is the living embodiment of.

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Speaker 17: What it means to have a luxury belief I think

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Speaker 17: in some ways, or you could argue the opposite, right,

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00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 17: like his supporters are going to argue the opposite.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know one thing that I had spoken about

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Speaker 13: with Charlie was you. I'd written multiple pieces expressing my

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Speaker 13: concerns about the possible election of Mom Donnie, and in

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Speaker 13: one of those pieces, I said, this is, you know,

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Speaker 13: think about the most obnoxious person you could possibly run

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Speaker 13: into at an Ivy League Commas encampment, and you know

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Speaker 13: what should come to mind is someone like Mam Donnie,

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Speaker 13: Like that is the person. And he you know, at

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Speaker 13: that time he was about elected and now he is

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Speaker 13: going to be the mayor, and yeah, it was alarming,

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Speaker 13: and he is the luxury beliefs candidate. You know, Socialism

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Speaker 13: has always appealed to highly educated people, and he is

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Speaker 13: unapologetic about it. And a lot of his ideas globalize

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Speaker 13: the into FADA city run grocery stores, you know, free

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Speaker 13: public transport, a lot of I mean, you know, these

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00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 13: ideas are just empirically going to make things worse. But

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Speaker 13: in his mind and in the mind of a lot

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Speaker 13: of his supporters who are so disconnect from reality, the

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Speaker 13: just decided to go this route. Luxury beliefs, which I

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Speaker 13: define as ideas and opinions that confer status on the

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Speaker 13: credentialed and the affluent while inflicting costs on the lower classes.

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Speaker 13: And a core feature of a luxury belief is that

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Speaker 13: the believer is sheltered from the consequences of his or

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Speaker 13: her beliefs. And of course Mamdanni is, you know, kind

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Speaker 13: of an archetype of this type of person, because he

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Speaker 13: was raised by a filmmaker and an Ivy League professor.

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00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 13: You know, he went to vote in which his his

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Speaker 13: alma mater has more students from families in the top

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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 13: one percent of the income scale in the entire bottom

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Speaker 13: sixty percent. He spent his whole life cocooned in affluence,

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Speaker 13: and now he's positioning himself as a man of the people,

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Speaker 13: a man of the working class. But that was not

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Speaker 13: the demographic that came out for him. You know, the

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00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 13: exit polling showed that, you know, when you break down

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Speaker 13: the results by education level, fifty seven percent of college

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Speaker 13: graduates came out for Mom Donnie versus only thirty eight

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Speaker 13: percent of working class, non college educated voters.

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Speaker 18: One thing you might have some insight on, do you

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Speaker 18: think it is a sort of cocooned elite that is

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Speaker 18: voting form, because another argument people have made is, yeah,

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Speaker 18: they're higher on the income scale, but they're also the

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Speaker 18: very precarious high income ones where maybe they make a

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Speaker 18: six figure income, but they also can't afford a flat

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Speaker 18: in New York. They can't live the way they probably

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Speaker 18: lived growing up in suburbia with their parents, and so

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Speaker 18: they feel very downwardly mobile, even if in'm they're they're

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Speaker 18: in the upper half or upper fifth.

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Speaker 3: Of New York's incomes.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, you know, and I've been posting about this too,

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Speaker 13: that obviously, you know, Mom Donnie did not win the

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Speaker 13: working class, and people have countered by saying, you know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 13: there's there. Maybe they have college degrees and they're comfortable,

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Speaker 13: but they don't see a path onto owning a house

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Speaker 13: or something along those lines. And I just think it's

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Speaker 13: important to point out that there is a very strong

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Speaker 13: difference between actual poverty versus the kind of what genteel

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Speaker 13: poverty of a young person, a young college educated person

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Speaker 13: in New York because yes, maybe at.

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Speaker 3: The moment they're struggling, but they have options. They don't

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Speaker 3: have to live there.

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Speaker 13: They have a degree, they have contacts, they have cultural capital,

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Speaker 13: they have options in a way that a blue collar

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Speaker 13: working class person in New York City doesn't. And so

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Speaker 13: they're not in the same boat. You know, people will say, oh, well, yeah,

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Speaker 13: I have a degree, but I'm still working class. Like

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Speaker 13: that's not that's not how you know, sociologists which differing class.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, let's put up three h five. This is which

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Speaker 9: best describes your education.

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Speaker 17: So, mom, Donnie got thirty nine percent of never attended college.

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Speaker 17: If you go all the way up to advanced degree,

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Speaker 17: he got fifty seven percent of bachelor degree and fifty

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Speaker 17: seven percent of advanced degree. So so he is essentially

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Speaker 17: But here's here's what's interesting. I mean, he's pushing for

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Speaker 17: tax hikes for well wider and wealthier neighborhoods. But you know,

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Speaker 17: even Kathy Hochel saying he's not gonna be able to

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Speaker 17: get these things done, but he's he's promising free stuff.

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Speaker 17: This is free stuff populism. You could call it socialism.

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Speaker 17: It's I mean, we could quibble on terms, but essentially

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Speaker 17: this is a left wing populis candidate.

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Speaker 19: Right.

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Speaker 17: What is it about these people that do not that

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Speaker 17: they don't seem to make the connection that he's going

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Speaker 17: to cost them?

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Speaker 9: Is it just?

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Speaker 17: Is it just basically I want to help the lower

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Speaker 17: class and this is how I'm going to do it. Like,

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Speaker 17: what's the motivation behind people that he's actually going to target.

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Speaker 17: His policies are going to hurt, but they're voting.

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Speaker 13: For him, right, Well, I think what's going on here

1208
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Speaker 13: is that people never consider themselves a member of the

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Speaker 13: elite or the upper class.

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Speaker 3: It's always the people who are ahead of them.

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Speaker 13: Those are the people who are going to be taxed

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Speaker 13: or who are going to have to pay excess penalties,

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Speaker 13: you know, and they themselves will be sort of safeguarded

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Speaker 13: from this.

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 13: Sometimes I'll talk about if you track Bernie Sanders speeches

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Speaker 13: over the last ten years. Back in twenty fifteen during

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Speaker 13: the Democratic premiers, he would always talk about, you know,

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Speaker 13: the millionaires and the billionaires, and you know, the millionaire

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Speaker 13: class and the billionaire class, and then you know, you

1221
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 13: go through twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen, and now he just

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 13: talks about billionaires because at some point in the last

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Speaker 13: ten years he became a millionaire and now he exempted

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Speaker 13: him and now know the millionaires are going to be safe.

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Speaker 3: But now we're just going to go after the billionaires.

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Speaker 13: You know, if your family, you know, your dad is

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Speaker 13: worth a hundred million dollars, he's going to be protected

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Speaker 13: because he doesn't have a billion dollars.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, fascinating.

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Speaker 18: It does feel there's something different that we might have

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Speaker 18: to go into the next segment with us. But it

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Speaker 18: feels like there's something a little bit different with Mam

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01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 18: Donnie versus Bernie Sanders socialism of twenty sixteen or twenty twenty.

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Speaker 18: And I think it's it's it's what comes up when

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 18: people describe him as kind of having this third world

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01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 18: is to edge, which partly that's just that he is

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Speaker 18: of immigrant origin.

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Speaker 3: But I think there's maybe you can weigh in on this.

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Speaker 18: There's something to the idea that he represents this attitude

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01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 18: that does want to punish the West sort of like

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01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 18: there's almost this attitude of wanting to lay low, you know,

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 18: like historic you know, the wealthier, wider neighborhoods as it were.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean it's like a grievous, some sort of

1244
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 17: grievance that it's grievance. This is a full mask off

1245
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 17: moment where he's laying bare the act motivations of the

1246
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Speaker 17: we could call it DSA or the Communists, and he's not.

1247
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Speaker 9: Hiding from it. We're going to blow the brakes for

1248
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 9: the stream. Stay right there.

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Speaker 13: Non trivial sum of money that if you looked at

1250
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 13: the selectivity of the college, how expensive the college was,

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01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 13: the more expensive the college, the more likely they were

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Speaker 13: to vote for Mom Donnie. You know, the state schools

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Speaker 13: and others. I don't think those people were nearly as enthusiastic.

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Speaker 13: And you see that pattern all throughout the higher education

1255
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 13: system that the more expensive the college, the more likely

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Speaker 13: you are to see encampments and protests and locking themselves

1257
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Speaker 13: in the president's office and agitating. And those are the

1258
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Speaker 13: schools I mean they select for that type of person.

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Speaker 13: You know, the Ivy League schools have their choice for

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Speaker 13: you know, they have thousands of applicants who have perfect

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Speaker 13: SAT scores, and that's what they're that's not what they're

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Speaker 13: optimizing for. They're optimizing for revolutionaries. This was made explicit

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Speaker 13: I think in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one Yale,

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Speaker 13: one of their admission staff openly stated that we are

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Speaker 13: selecting for students who are, you know, want want to

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01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 13: revamp society, want to change everything, have this forward thinking vision,

1267
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 13: you know, this kind of coded language. But essentially they

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Speaker 13: were selecting for people who were on the far left.

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Speaker 17: You know, you guys know about the Ivys more than

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Speaker 17: I would. You guys are both the IVY leagues, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 17: regretably whatever, you.

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Speaker 9: Guys are part of the problem.

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Speaker 18: I want you to know that it does seem interesting though,

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Speaker 18: that it's almost like it's I think of how in Mexico,

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Speaker 18: you know, the pr Party, party of like institutional revolution

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01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 18: or like perpetual revolution that to define sort of a

1277
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Speaker 18: certain class of American society, the elite educated part as

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01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,479
Speaker 18: you definitionally have to sort of want to tear down

1279
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Speaker 18: or radically change society. And it just strikes me as

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Speaker 18: something that could be really destructive over time. If you know, okay,

1281
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 18: we well we did the easy things to tear down.

1282
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Speaker 18: What are the harder things to tear down?

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Speaker 19: Now?

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Speaker 18: And I think of that with mem Donnie, where he

1285
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Speaker 18: wants to close rikers, mess up the new York's public schools.

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Speaker 18: There's a lot of damage he can do to that.

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Speaker 13: City, right, instead of just being a good steward, right

1288
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Speaker 13: like being like, I mean, that's you know, ideally, you

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01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 13: would want your elites and aspirational elites to be good

1290
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Speaker 13: stewards for the city the country that they're governing. And

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Speaker 13: instead it's well, let me find all the flaws and

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Speaker 13: then introduce all these policies that have historically always failed.

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Speaker 17: All right, So this has been I mean, I think

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Speaker 17: the luxury reliefs piece placed into this beautifully. So I'm

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Speaker 17: so glad you're here. But there's also this concept of

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Speaker 17: a dark triad that we should talk about. We welcome

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Speaker 17: back radio in about five seconds. I want to get

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Speaker 17: into what that is and maybe it has a role

1299
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Speaker 17: to play here and what we're seeing. We'll be right back,

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Speaker 17: all right, Welcome back national radio stations across the country.

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Speaker 9: Go for it, Blake, all right, we're talking about dark triad.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, so we were saying, and you know, this is

1303
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 18: a mask off moment, but actually what if what if

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Speaker 18: the mask is on?

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Speaker 3: How much can we how I guess how genuine is zorn?

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Speaker 3: Mam Donnie?

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Speaker 18: And are there some of these psychological concepts we've talked about.

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Speaker 18: To me, he strikes me as a fundamentally sort of

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Speaker 18: phony person, like he's a doctor, he's an he's adopted

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Speaker 18: this ideology because it is sort of the the uniform

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Speaker 18: of being this you know, ivy league immigrant type person

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Speaker 18: that he is.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think he's embarrassed by that.

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Speaker 17: I think he's trying to he's trying to front like

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Speaker 17: he's he's part of, you know, the working poor that

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Speaker 17: he says he's the champion of. But but I'm sorry,

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Speaker 17: and I want you to explain what dark triade is

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Speaker 17: and and but you do not code switch. You do

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Speaker 17: not accent switch like Zorron Mam Donnie does. And but

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Speaker 17: if you haven't seen the videos, you gotta go find

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Speaker 17: mom Donnie switching accents constantly. He will be anything to

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Speaker 17: anybody if he thinks he can get ahead. I mean,

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Speaker 17: that's pure narcissism and manipulation. But explain what dark the

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Speaker 17: dark is and what do you see in Mam Donnie.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, so last night, in mom Donnie's victory speech,

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Speaker 13: he the first words out of his mouth he quoted

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Speaker 13: the American socialist Eugene Debs. He's an early twentieth century socialist,

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Speaker 13: and so you know, it's sort of mask off and

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Speaker 13: mask on, right, like he's not going to moderate. He

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Speaker 13: is openly quoting socialists. You know, you go back through

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Speaker 13: his Twitter feed and he quotes people like Marx and

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Speaker 13: so on. So I don't you know, he's not hiding it,

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Speaker 13: but it's an interesting question about the authenticity of his beliefs.

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Speaker 13: So I've written at length about the dark triad, which

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Speaker 13: is a personality trait, or rather a constellation of three

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Speaker 13: different personality traits. So the dark triad, first you have narcissism,

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Speaker 13: which is entitled self importance. Then you have psychopathy, which

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Speaker 13: is basically a callousness, a cynicism, disregard for other people.

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Speaker 13: And then you have machivalianism, which is strategic exploitation and duplicity.

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Speaker 13: And you know those three traits. The core of these

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Speaker 13: traits are antagonism, you know, willingness to manipulate relatively unfeeling

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Speaker 13: and also this kind of performative aspect where there's often

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Speaker 13: a kind of a horrific void beneath people who have

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Speaker 13: elevated dark triad traits and there is no actual identity

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Speaker 13: underlying it, they will shape shift.

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Speaker 3: They will behave in ways that will garner them approval.

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Speaker 13: You know, material rewards, social rewards, professional rewards, sexual rewards,

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Speaker 13: and political political rewards as well.

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Speaker 18: And how could that, we are correct, how could that

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Speaker 18: manifest now that he's actually the mayor of the city

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Speaker 18: and he's not just a candidate.

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Speaker 13: Well, so generally I would I would assume that most

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Speaker 13: elected officials probably have some elevated levels of narcissism. But

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Speaker 13: it's those other two traits that are more alarming. Psychopathy

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Speaker 13: is often described as the darkest of the three Dark

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Speaker 13: Triad traits because that often predicts you know, interpersonal conflict

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Speaker 13: and violence and criminality and that kind of thing. But

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Speaker 13: would this manifest itself in running a city, Well, you know,

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Speaker 13: I think very rapidly. You'll find that once people acquire power,

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Speaker 13: their coalitions start to fray, because you know, if you

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Speaker 13: are a leader, you need to have strong alliances, you

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Speaker 13: need to build trust, and if you are higher the

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Speaker 13: high on the Dark triad, you can you can build

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Speaker 13: coalitions temporarily if you have an end goal in mind.

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Speaker 3: But often once those people.

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Speaker 13: Acquire power, the corruption starts to proliferate and people will

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Speaker 13: start to abandon ship, so we'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 13: But you know, one characteristic of the Dark Triade as

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Speaker 13: well is that they will essentially adopt opinions and views

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Speaker 13: that will make them look good. And this is often

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Speaker 13: calculated and explicit, and I think this makes sense when

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Speaker 13: you track mom Donnie's evolution. He's a millennial, he's been

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Speaker 13: online his whole life. You can see that he would

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Speaker 13: post the kind of woke boilerplate nonsense five years ago,

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Speaker 13: you know, defund the this is a queer feminist issue,

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Speaker 13: and you know, all that kind of stuff. It was

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Speaker 13: very you know, like there was that picture of him

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Speaker 13: with his you know, gloved hand giving the Christopher Columbus

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Speaker 13: statue the middle finger during you know, the peak of

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Speaker 13: the pandemic, and you know, saying, you know that the

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Speaker 13: caption was tear it down. So you know, he was

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Speaker 13: very much in that vein of tear the statues down,

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Speaker 13: very much in the kind of woke revolutionary mindset. And

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Speaker 13: once he saw an opening to become the mayor, he

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Speaker 13: pivoted toward more sort of left wing populism, as you

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Speaker 13: guys are saying, pivoting over to affordability and and concentrating

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Speaker 13: on affordability, and whenever he's pressed on his previous statements,

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Speaker 13: you know, it's kind of Marxist and Marcus Jason statements,

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Speaker 13: he says, Oh, I'm just I'm just focused on affordability,

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Speaker 13: and then five minutes later he'll say, oh, I'm going

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Speaker 13: to shut down the gifted programs in New York City

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Speaker 13: high schools. And I'm thinking, Okay, what does that have

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Speaker 13: to do with affordability.

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Speaker 17: So I think you're absolutely right that you're going you're

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Speaker 17: going to see a shift in tone. And I don't

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Speaker 17: think we have this video yet, so I apologize. I

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Speaker 17: was going to read this CNN. Van Jones last night says,

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Speaker 17: I think, Mom, Donnie, we saw in the camp Train

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Speaker 17: campaign trail calm or warm or more embracing wasn't president

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Speaker 17: in that victory speech. He missed a chance to bring

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Speaker 17: more people into the tent. His tone was sharp, almost yelling,

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Speaker 17: and he says, the warm, open, working class guy wasn't

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Speaker 17: on stage tonight.

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Speaker 9: And you saw that.

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Speaker 17: Towards the end of his campaign where you started seeing harsh,

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Speaker 17: harsher tone and he thought he had it in the bag.

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Speaker 13: Right, yeah, And he started to castigate people for you know,

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Speaker 13: talking about his aunt. After nine to eleven and this

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Speaker 13: kind of thing. He started to use guilt and manipulation again.

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Speaker 13: You saw those traits surface. Let's wrap it up in

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Speaker 13: the stream here real quick. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Nino, I'm i'man mister President. President Trump is in

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Speaker 4: Miami right now. Everyone, I'm Terrence Bates. We appreciate you

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Speaker 4: being here with us for this Real America's Voice news break.

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Speaker 4: Let's take you straight to Miami where President Trump is

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Speaker 4: going to be attending a summit and speaking at a

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Speaker 4: summit of business leaders. Our Bo Davidson is there right now. Bo,

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Speaker 4: give us an overview of what to expect.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, President Trump's about to come out any

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Speaker 12: moment now. The music is getting louder. This has a

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Speaker 12: very kind of Trump rally feel to it as we

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Speaker 12: build up to it. But I think what Donald Trump's

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Speaker 12: going to talk about today is the economy. He's going

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Speaker 12: to tout some of those investments that he's received from

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Speaker 12: world leaders. He did that big deal in Korea, in Japan,

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Speaker 12: in Malaysia, getting all this foreign investment to come to

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Speaker 12: the United States, and actually the public investment fund from

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Speaker 12: Saudi Arabia is a presenting sponsor of this summit, so

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Speaker 12: that's something I was kind of unaware of coming into this.

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Speaker 12: But the Saudis are really investing heavily in the United States.

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Speaker 12: They're pivotal actually in our economy. The fact that they're

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Speaker 12: focusing here on Miami, Florida is a testament to the

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Speaker 12: fact that the United States is hit right as a

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Speaker 12: hit right now. Miami is a hit right now. It

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Speaker 12: is front and center of what's happening economically and investment

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Speaker 12: wise right now in the global forum. So this summit,

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Speaker 12: it's been nine years in other areas of the world,

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Speaker 12: in Latin America, this is the first year it's been

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Speaker 12: in the United States.

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Speaker 9: And I think it's meant to.

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Speaker 12: Be sort of an example of how US investment or

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Speaker 12: investment in the United States can be a template for

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Speaker 12: something greater, because the US economy is number one right now,

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Speaker 12: and I guarantee you that President Trump is going to

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Speaker 12: tout how great the economy is, how things are becoming

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Speaker 12: more affordable, that we're keeping inflation down. So any moment

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Speaker 12: President Trump will be coming out. In fact, it might

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Speaker 12: be just a couple of minutes from now.

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Speaker 4: Terrence absolutely we hear the crowd starting to get excited,

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Speaker 4: and we of course will take folks there to Miami Ones.

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Speaker 4: President Trump takes the stage really quickly in about ten seconds.

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Speaker 4: Give me like a list of who of who's going

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Speaker 4: to be speaking there?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 12: We had Mariam Machiauda, the Nobel Peace Prize winner earlier today,

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Speaker 12: Saudi Ambassador of the United States, motivational speaker, Tony Robbins,

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Speaker 12: Ken Griffin, CEO of Citadel and the presidents of F

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Speaker 12: one and FIFA, and one of my favorites, Tarrence. International

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Speaker 12: soccer star Leo Messi of Inner Miami is going to

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Speaker 12: be speaking the keynote tonight.

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Speaker 16: BO.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you are my brother from another mother. I'm

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Speaker 4: a huge soccer fan, so seeing leol ol Messi would

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Speaker 4: be pretty awesome as well. We'll check back with you

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Speaker 4: later on, Bo, as we continue to wait to hear

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Speaker 4: from President Trump, will take you there Live.

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Speaker 9: to this.

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Speaker 21: Well, I'm reminded of that first line of a Tale

1518
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 21: of Two Cities. That was the best of times, that

1519
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 21: was the worst of times. You know, both things can

1520
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 21: happen simultaneously, and these are dark times, but they're very

1521
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 21: bright times, and there aren't signs of revival. And I

1522
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 21: don't say that lightly because I was around for the

1523
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 21: last great spiritual awakening, the Jesus Movement. You know, I

1524
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 21: didn't realize it at the time, Andrew, but I had

1525
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 21: a front row seat to an actual spiritual awakening, the

1526
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 21: last great Awakening, and of all places in California, and so,

1527
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 21: you know, looking back in retrospect, then we made a

1528
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 21: movie about it called Jesus Revolution, or actually John Ire

1529
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 21: when the director had the vision to make this film.

1530
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 21: But so people say, do you think we're having another

1531
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 21: Jesus Revolution? Said, well, I see promising science. But now

1532
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 21: looking at the last just few months, I would say

1533
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 21: I see more than promising science. I see things happening

1534
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 21: that have not happened for a long time, and things

1535
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 21: that have never happened at all.

1536
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 11: Take baptisms. For instance.

1537
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 21: You know, back in the heyday of the Jesus Movement,

1538
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 21: we would go to a little spot called Pirates Goop

1539
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 21: and baptize a lot of people. But in the last

1540
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,440
Speaker 21: just few years we've seen over twenty thousand people baptized

1541
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 21: at that same spot. The movie had a little cause

1542
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 21: and effect. It was sort of like a case of

1543
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 21: you know, they say a movie or whatever art imitates life.

1544
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 21: In this case, life is imitating art imitating life. People said, oh,

1545
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 21: I want to be baptized in that spot. But this

1546
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 21: is a phenomena. And of course, since Charlie was killed,

1547
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 21: and I hate to say that, but you know, we

1548
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 21: have to say this. And I think it's more than

1549
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 21: just saying he died. He was murdered and we all

1550
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 21: know that. But and I'm you know, I'm humbled and

1551
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 21: honored to be in this studio where he would sit

1552
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 21: in the seat right next to me and do it.

1553
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 11: He did so well.

1554
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 21: But it's like rocket fuel has been poured on a

1555
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 21: pre existing fire, and I see it intensifying. In fact,

1556
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 21: Wall Street Journal you probably saw this article, even commented

1557
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 21: on the upsurge of Bible sales, and they directly achieve

1558
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 21: this to to Charlie's death. And so, you know, Andrew,

1559
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 21: you may remember that our son Christopher died in an

1560
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 21: automobile accident sixteen years ago. And so I think when

1561
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 21: something tragic happens to Christians like that, we try to like,

1562
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 21: why why did God let this happen? And sometimes some

1563
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 21: Christians won't meaning, but I think misdirected will try to

1564
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 21: find cause and that fact like this happens, so this

1565
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 21: other thing will happen. I think we need to separate

1566
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 21: them then look at them together. Charlie being killed was

1567
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 21: a horrible tragedy the end, but despite a horrible tragedy,

1568
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 21: God is doing a mighty work, and we could look

1569
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 21: at Stephen, which is a direct parallel. The death of

1570
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 21: Stephen was a tragedy, and to the point we even

1571
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 21: read that godly men mourned over him, you know.

1572
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 9: So it was a.

1573
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 11: Tragedy for the church.

1574
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 21: Yet the Gospel went out with greater power after the

1575
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 21: death of Stephen because the church finally got the memo,

1576
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 21: oh yeah, we're not supposed to hang around in Jerusalem

1577
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 21: in a holy huddle. We're supposed to spread across the

1578
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 21: world and preach the gospel and that's what happened after

1579
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,560
Speaker 21: Stephen's death, so we can see a horrible tragedy that

1580
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 21: God is using it. Not long before Charlie was killed,

1581
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 21: he was asked what is your favorite Bible passage? And

1582
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 21: you remember it's Romans eight twenty eight. God can also

1583
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 21: can cause all things to work together for good to

1584
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 21: those that love God. And as Joseph said to his

1585
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 21: brothers who betrayed him, you meant it for evil, but

1586
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 21: God meant it for good. So we see God working

1587
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,879
Speaker 21: despite the tragedy. And I like to make that distinction

1588
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 21: despite the tragedy. And I'm thinking, if I'm Charlie in heaven,

1589
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 21: I would rejoice knowing that this was happening after I

1590
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 21: was called home to glory, you know. And and so

1591
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 21: I think that's probably the greatest tribute that you know,

1592
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 21: this is a man that lived a godly life, a

1593
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 21: life of integrity, a life of passion, a life of purpose,

1594
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 21: And a lot of people who never even heard his

1595
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 21: name before are now going who was this guy and

1596
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 21: what did he actually believe? And they're not believing the

1597
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 21: caricature of Charlie presented by people that hate him and

1598
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 21: hate what he stands for, but they're chicken now to

1599
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 21: his own videos and seeing he was actually very civil,

1600
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 21: very patient. People would insult him to his space and

1601
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,839
Speaker 21: he would just listen and then he would patiently respond,

1602
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 21: and you know, so they're scene what this guy really

1603
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 21: stood for. And so I think that we are seeing

1604
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 21: revival like things happen right now. And there's no question

1605
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 21: that Charlie's death has had an effect on this.

1606
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 17: As beautifully said, I think you summed up so much

1607
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 17: of what I'm seeing, what I'm noticing. But I'm curious,

1608
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 17: Lucas like you are the tip of the spear when

1609
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 17: it comes to tposa faith and building out you know,

1610
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 17: the church network, and we've seen this tremendous growth.

1611
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 9: I think we went last last data.

1612
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 17: Point I saw and it's probably bigger than that now,

1613
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 17: but it was, you know, we had four thousand churches

1614
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 17: in our network.

1615
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 9: Now we have over eight or eight thousand. So tell

1616
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 9: us what you're seeing on that front.

1617
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, first off, I will say, as you know,

1618
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 8: because I have a pastor myself, I still have a

1619
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 8: church in Indiana and then also head up the faith

1620
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 8: department here and that was something that Charlie and I

1621
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 8: you know, as we were kind of designing my role,

1622
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 8: felt like, if I'm going to call in the nation's pastors,

1623
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 8: it's important to do so, you know, as a pastor.

1624
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 8: And my own church is doubled in size during this

1625
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 8: time period. And I've heard that same report from churches

1626
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 8: throughout our network. I mean, you know, in the last

1627
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 8: sixty days, countless text messages from pastors saying we're up

1628
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 8: ten percent, We're up fifty percent, we're up thirty percent,

1629
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 8: we're forty percent. You know, some churches that doubled, and

1630
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 8: it's been absolutely remarkable to see. And it's not you

1631
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 8: can't you can't fabricate revival like this. You know, you

1632
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 8: can't throw it advertising dollars and get just changed hards

1633
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 8: for people to start buying Bibles and showing up the

1634
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 8: church and everything else.

1635
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 9: And it was there was you know, the.

1636
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 8: Catalyst was the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk and when Charlie,

1637
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 8: when Charlie lost his life and the instantaneous reaction obviously grief,

1638
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 8: obviously horror, obvious, obvious you know, pain, but the immediate

1639
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 8: aftermath was I need Jesus. And people just started showing

1640
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 8: up to church. I mean, we had a guy who

1641
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 8: had never been to church in his entire life show up.

1642
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 8: And you know, I think the thing that that this

1643
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 8: also does, and we had talked about this a little bit,

1644
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 8: is it drew a line in the sand for pastors.

1645
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 8: If your pastor was silent during COVID, silent during all

1646
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 8: the trans stuff in the schools now, silent during the

1647
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,600
Speaker 8: martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. You know, you talked about that

1648
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 8: those righteous man men, you know, grieved Steven's death, and

1649
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 8: we had a lot of clergy that did not even

1650
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 8: talk about this. And just as a pastor, you know

1651
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 8: how horrified I was to see you know, other quote

1652
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 8: unquote men of the cloth not know how to navigate

1653
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 8: that moment and to miss the opportunity for revival in

1654
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 8: this nation.

1655
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 17: Well, and this is why I'm so glad to have

1656
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 17: you on Greg, because you know, I was talking with

1657
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 17: a pastor recently who said that he thought that they're

1658
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 17: I don't know, I can't remember if he said there

1659
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 17: was judgment on big EVA, big evangelicalism, or that the

1660
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 17: revival was going to bypass the pulpit system. And you're

1661
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 17: one of those those pastors that I would not include

1662
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 17: in that prescription, I think you have been faithful, you

1663
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 17: have proclaimed the gospel, you have been steady and consistent.

1664
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 8: Uh.

1665
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 17: And so I guess my question out of that thought

1666
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 17: is what does the church need to do to capture

1667
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 17: this this moment, this energy, because I do think there

1668
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 17: is a potential where you know, people were going to

1669
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 17: Charlie on social media, they weren't necessarily even before in life,

1670
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 17: we saw that church attendants were starting to click up.

1671
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 17: The Bible sales were clicking up. After years and years

1672
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 17: of decline, we saw that balance out. So what is

1673
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 17: your call to pastors that find themselves in a position

1674
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 17: to harness this energy.

1675
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 21: Well, the problem, Andrew, sometimes pastors are answering questions people

1676
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 21: are not asking, and they're not answering the questions that

1677
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 21: are being asked. This is a moment in time and

1678
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 21: we need to seize the moment. And like you said, Lucas,

1679
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 21: so many people coming to church, and specifically young people,

1680
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 21: and that this is what I see as a p

1681
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 21: between this.

1682
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 11: Moment and the Jesus Movement.

1683
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 21: The Jesus Movement was a youth revival, and I see

1684
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 21: young people coming back.

1685
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 11: Of course, we are already seeing this trend.

1686
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 21: Charlie even talked about it, gen Z kids coming back

1687
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 21: to church and specifically gen Z boys, and I've never

1688
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 21: heard of that before because usually, let's be honest, women

1689
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 21: lead the way in spiritual things.

1690
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 11: But for to see young men starting to come, and I.

1691
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 21: Think voices like Charlie's and others that you know, Jordan

1692
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 21: Peters and other voices enclouragement, encouragement to embrace their masculinity,

1693
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 21: biblical masculinity. But I think even more to be men

1694
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 21: of God. And so I think this is a moment

1695
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 21: in time. I don't think we can be neutral. There's

1696
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 21: the culture has encroached on the church. Now now they're

1697
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,839
Speaker 21: coming into our world, and we saw it with COVID

1698
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 21: and the shutdowns. We certainly saw it in California, some

1699
01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 21: churches shutting down, stained closed for months on end, and

1700
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 21: what a mistake that was. And then but also you know,

1701
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 21: pushing trans issues and.

1702
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 11: We need to speak out.

1703
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 21: For these things. I don't think we can see anymore

1704
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 21: to our congregaints, well, just voote your conscience. Now they

1705
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 21: need to vote biblically, and as pastors, we have a

1706
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 21: responsibility to educate them biblically. What does the Bible say

1707
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 21: about these things and offer theology without apology. So you know,

1708
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 21: even in the Democratic Party, they're decrying the extremism in it,

1709
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 21: and that that is what seems to be influencing the

1710
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 21: party more and more right now, as we've seen in

1711
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 21: the election in New York for mayre in other areas,

1712
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,919
Speaker 21: and so, okay, fine, but we need to be overt

1713
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 21: and outfront and direct and what we believe. And if

1714
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 21: our founding fathers had coward, we wouldn't have an American

1715
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 21: to celebrate this freedom in today like we have right now.

1716
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 21: So this this is a how m you got to

1717
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 21: stand up be count I want to encourage my fellow

1718
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 21: pastors to do that. But here's the most important thing.

1719
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,719
Speaker 21: Preach the gospel. You know, I was I interviewed Frank

1720
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 21: Turk the other day for my podcast and he said,

1721
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 21: Charlie said to him, you know what we do politically

1722
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 21: is it's small potatoes compared to the Gospel. And one

1723
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 21: of the last things Charlie talked about before he was

1724
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 21: killed was Jesus. And he talked about that openly. Because

1725
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,839
Speaker 21: that's why I didn't think it was fair to describe

1726
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 21: him a political activist. I mean in a way he

1727
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 21: was that, of course, but I saw him as a

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Speaker 21: Christian leader that influenced everything that he did, including politics,

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Speaker 21: as it should. But I think that we need to

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Speaker 17: I want to hear more about that. We're going to

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Speaker 17: pastor Greglory. All right, welcome back to the Charlie kirkshow

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Speaker 17: Andrew Colvett here with pastor Greglory, and Lucas smiles.

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Speaker 9: I wanna, I'm gonna go. I'm We're gonna go there, right.

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Speaker 17: Because there's a lot of blessings right now, there's a

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Speaker 17: lot of momentum. But then you see these distractions and

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Speaker 17: you see, you know, people all they want to talk

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Speaker 17: about is they want to talk about Israel, they want

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Speaker 17: to talk about foreign policy. There's this infighting that you're

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Speaker 17: seeing within the within the church, within the conservative movement,

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Speaker 17: and you know, I couldn't help but think about that

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Speaker 17: as the results were coming in last night, is that, man,

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Speaker 17: if we could focus some of this energy on winning

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Speaker 17: elections or you know, building unity as opposed to division. So, Lucas,

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Speaker 17: you are at it in some ways at the tip

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Speaker 17: of the spear when on some of this church based stuff,

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Speaker 17: right and there are factions, there are people that want,

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Speaker 17: you know, this group to say this, and this group

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Speaker 17: to proclaim this and draw a line in the sand

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Speaker 17: and this. How are you navigating this because there's there's

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Speaker 17: just a lot of infighting.

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Speaker 8: You know, anytime you work with pastors across different denominations,

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Speaker 8: you have certain hot button issues that make unity difficult, Okay,

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Speaker 8: I shared with my staff. We all got together at

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Speaker 8: the night of the memorial. Afterwards, we got together for

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Speaker 8: a dinner and just fellowship together and just kind of

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01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 8: cried and prayed together.

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Speaker 9: And I told them, I said, this.

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Speaker 8: Moment of unity that we're seeing right now, I want

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Speaker 8: to prepare you for the enemy does not want to

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Speaker 8: see this continue, and there's a potential for you know,

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Speaker 8: the next phase is going to be factions and division

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Speaker 8: and everything else that can potentially come because the enemy,

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Speaker 8: the enemy is predictable. We're not unaware of his schemes

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Speaker 8: in that way, and so we're seeing this. You know

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Speaker 8: that the issue of Israel is obviously one of those

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Speaker 8: you have. You know, there's other things like you know,

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01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,719
Speaker 8: views of spiritual gifts and you know one saved always

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01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 8: say Calvinism.

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Speaker 3: Versus our Minianism. You know, we could look at those things, but.

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Speaker 8: I think this issue of Israel has become a very

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Speaker 8: big dividing point, you know, for people right now. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 8: the conversation is being driven really by people that aren't

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Speaker 8: very theological. They don't have a doctrinal approach to this.

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Speaker 8: They see this as there's only one or two options.

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Speaker 8: You're either you know, taking money from Israel and you're

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Speaker 8: bought and paid for and that's why you're dispensationalists, or

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Speaker 8: your replacement the outlo and Israel doesn't matter at all,

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Speaker 8: And there's nothing that from a theological standpoint, there's actually

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Speaker 8: a wide spectrum.

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Speaker 9: You have, you know, radical.

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Speaker 8: Dispensation on one side, and you have replacement theology on

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Speaker 8: the other side, and and you know, across the spectrum,

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Speaker 8: from a Christian advantage point, all of those views would

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Speaker 8: actually have support for Israel.

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Speaker 9: They would actually have, you know, a positive view.

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Speaker 17: I'm so glad you're saying this, and I don't mean

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Speaker 17: to cut you off, so I'm sorry, Lucas, but this

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Speaker 17: idea that you're either for or against the nation of

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Speaker 17: his I'm like, do you have any idea how off

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Speaker 17: putting that binary is and that the people on both

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Speaker 17: ends of the spectrum that are pushing you to accept

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Speaker 17: one or the other.

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Speaker 9: And I'm like, there's about one hundred iterations between.

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Speaker 17: One hundred percent, you know, It's like, so, I just

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Speaker 17: I think the whole discourse has been really tainted and

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Speaker 17: corrupted and it's not productive. Actually, the question obviously you know,

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Speaker 17: defining Israel is a thing we have to do, recognizing

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Speaker 17: their purpose in place in history, all these sorts of things,

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Speaker 17: and theologically we have answers for that throughout this spectrum.

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Speaker 17: And so when we say, you know, the idea of

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Speaker 17: what's God's view of Israel, the unifying view is this,

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Speaker 17: you know, because we're not going to get dispensationalists and

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Speaker 17: apprice myth theology guys who agree on everything theologically, but

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Speaker 17: what we can't agree with is God loves people, He's faithful,

1841
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 17: he wants to see promises fulfilled, and he wants to

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Speaker 17: win over people for the sake of the Gospel. And

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Speaker 17: when you start with that framework and then start building

1844
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 17: from there, these things start making a lot more sense

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Speaker 17: as you navigate through it. So, pastor final two minutes

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Speaker 17: to you here two minutes, Yeah, I know, it's quick.

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Speaker 17: I mean we could go over the break if we

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Speaker 17: have to. The floor is yours on this very contentious issue?

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Speaker 11: All right?

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Speaker 21: Well, I am one of those dispensationalists, and I believe

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Speaker 21: that God has placed the Jewish people in the land.

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Speaker 21: They're not colonizers, They're the indigenous people of the land

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Speaker 21: that God gave to them. And he made promises to them,

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Speaker 21: and I believe God keeps his promises. And when you

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Speaker 21: read Romans nine to eleven, you see that he made

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Speaker 21: a covenant with Israel. And so I I think that, yes,

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Speaker 21: you have to understand Israel and the light of the Holocaust.

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Speaker 21: You know, when I was in Washington, DC recently, I

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Speaker 21: went to the Holocaust Museum and to think of the

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Speaker 21: suffering these people have gone through, and so they returned

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Speaker 21: to their homeland against all odds. And I believe also

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Speaker 21: the prophetic time clock started ticking on May fourteenth, nineteen

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Speaker 21: forty eight, when Israel became a nation. Having said that,

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Speaker 21: that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything

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Speaker 21: that the modern state of Israel does, but I don't

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Speaker 21: agree with everything that the United States does.

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Speaker 11: But I still support the Jewish people.

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Speaker 21: It is the lend that God gave to them, and

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Speaker 21: I think that we should pray for them and stand

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Speaker 21: by them because anti Semitism is on the rise. I

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Speaker 21: just interviewed Marco Rubio at the State Department and I

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01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 21: raised this right question with him. I loved his response,

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Speaker 21: and it was that anti Semitism is evil, and so

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Speaker 21: I think that we need the Jewish people are beginning

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Speaker 21: to understand that their best friend is the evangelical Christian,

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01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 21: but we do ultimately pray without apology, that they come

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Speaker 21: to embrace Jesus.

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Speaker 17: And we're going to go over just a little bit

1879
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Speaker 17: on the stream for podcasts because the question is, okay,

1880
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 17: so not everybody's going to agree with what you just said.

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Speaker 9: How do we bring unity in spite of that? So radio,

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Speaker 9: we'll see you tomorrow. Stream a podcast, we're going to

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Speaker 9: keep going for just a few more minutes.