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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition at the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I'm coming to you from
Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: Expect those checks in the mail, six D big ones Marky. Mark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not keeping an eye out for that
Speaker 1: um And when it arrives, it goes into a gigantic
Speaker 1: abyss known as our credit card debts. So I'm not
Speaker 1: you know what, what good does it? Doesn't do mean none?
Speaker 1: That should handle the credit card debt with with a
Speaker 1: couple of dinners. Grubhub meals despair, right, no doubt that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend it all on like cutting the line
Speaker 1: for the vaccine and like in a black market sort
Speaker 1: of trade thing. There's a whole world out there, so
Speaker 1: that's where my money's gone. That's good. A little peek
Speaker 1: behind the curtain of the Around the End of FEL podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes it is you. We were just here. We were
Speaker 1: just sitting in these chairs hours ago with our double
Speaker 1: episode recapping Week seventeen at the end of the regular
Speaker 1: season and the seating of the playoffs. But we're back.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll back in a big way because it is
Speaker 1: black mud, No, not black Monday, because that's a negative connotation,
Speaker 1: and we don't like negativity on the show. We like
Speaker 1: positive stuff. We like positive affirmations. We want to look
Speaker 1: at the world in a different way away to see
Speaker 1: the rainbows, not the storm clouds. That's why this is
Speaker 1: new horizons here in the NFL, a time where yes, coaching,
Speaker 1: the coaching deck gets shuffled, but hopefully when the dust clears,
Speaker 1: everybody ends up with a job. Now that's not greg
Speaker 1: something that's actually gonna happen, but you could hope that
Speaker 1: everyone lands on their feet. Tough time of the year
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but also citing one for fans who
Speaker 1: want to see change in some guys you know, just
Speaker 1: can take a little time off. Jim Schwartz, the Eagles coordinator,
Speaker 1: longtime fan of his. He's just he's taking a year off,
Speaker 1: just chilling. At least he could issues leading with Jim
Speaker 1: Schwartz on the show. I don't know's he's just trying
Speaker 1: to take the ball and run with it. First day out,
Speaker 1: mark your thoughts, well, I mean these guys, hey, it's
Speaker 1: a caravan where They just go from job to job,
Speaker 1: no matter how poorly you do in the last one,
Speaker 1: someone um who owes you a favor will hire you
Speaker 1: somewhere else, and they make a tremendous amount of money.
Speaker 1: So for all the well, I mean, listen, I don't
Speaker 1: want them to lose their jobs. But this is not
Speaker 1: like um, you know, someone losing their last option in
Speaker 1: society and being thrown into a breadline. They are ultru
Speaker 1: wealthy and rich and we wish them well. This is
Speaker 1: like the opposite of the preamble that Straeger gives before,
Speaker 1: because not just fire in the head coach, you're firing
Speaker 1: all the assistants who aren't making much money, and all
Speaker 1: the families and all the children. Um, but Setter's just like,
Speaker 1: let's eat the rich. No, no, no, the children I
Speaker 1: care about. If you get yanked out of seventh grade
Speaker 1: and suddenly have to go to seventh grade in like Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: that would be um traumatic. All right. So well, that's
Speaker 1: that's the way it is in our league. And and
Speaker 1: what Mark was initially alluding to was that, yes, this
Speaker 1: is a game of connections, and that's what you're gonna
Speaker 1: see in these next few weeks. How coaches, um and
Speaker 1: general managers and all these different um UH figures in
Speaker 1: the league. They all connect through their past to find
Speaker 1: jobs for the future. It's gonna happen again. We're gonna
Speaker 1: spin through everything that has gone down up to this point.
Speaker 1: It's past six pm on the East Coast on Monday,
Speaker 1: so let's start with Yes, let's just go through where
Speaker 1: we're at in terms of the dismissals of head coaches. UH.
Speaker 1: Doug Marone will start there. Jacksonville Jaguars. This was widely expected,
Speaker 1: really felt that way for two years that Doug Maron
Speaker 1: was on the outs in Jacksonville. Now it happens. Time
Speaker 1: is not great for Doug unfortunately, because it seems like
Speaker 1: he's leaving right where when Jacksonville is a chance to
Speaker 1: really um rise with the number one overall pick and
Speaker 1: potentially Trevor Lawrence as well as a lot of cap space.
Speaker 1: Shod Con spoke to the media after the announcement that
Speaker 1: Maron was out UH. He thanked Doug for all his
Speaker 1: work and then spoke about what it is that has
Speaker 1: louded Jacksonville during his time as owner. What's evaded the
Speaker 1: history of the Jacks really has been a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I think what's unique, uh certainly is that we
Speaker 1: have the ability now to make a choice and it's
Speaker 1: gonna define the franchise moving forward. Greg that the jacksonwner.
Speaker 1: Shot con also has to hire a m so GM
Speaker 1: head coach and the starting quarterbacks not in the building yet.
Speaker 1: This is a huge job, but also one that comes
Speaker 1: with a lot of optimism. It does because they have
Speaker 1: so much calf space and you assume that you're taking
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and that's all great, but you know, I
Speaker 1: keep seeing it thrown out there. It's like, this is
Speaker 1: you know, this is the best job because it's great ownership,
Speaker 1: it's this and that, and I guess I would just
Speaker 1: say like scoreboard at some point, I mean, this franchise
Speaker 1: is all it's done is lost under shot Con. So
Speaker 1: yet he seems like really smart on the business side
Speaker 1: of things, but you're kind of split between London and Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: That that's one thing, and they've just you know, lost
Speaker 1: so much since he's been there. And then it's a
Speaker 1: red flag when he says in his press conference that
Speaker 1: he's gonna have final say on contracts and personnel, that
Speaker 1: he did that pretty much over the last year, and
Speaker 1: I think, like, what other owner is doing that other
Speaker 1: than Jerry Jones. And I basically am of the mind
Speaker 1: that the more ownership is involved in football, the worst
Speaker 1: it is, so that that is a little worrisome. If
Speaker 1: I was a Jaguars fan, Yeah, I tend to agree
Speaker 1: with you. And you know, I think that an owner's
Speaker 1: job first and foremost is to hire successful people. And um,
Speaker 1: I guess it's a positive trait that Shod Khan has
Speaker 1: been extremely patient with the people that he's hired. But um,
Speaker 1: we look at Doug Marone Dan to your point that
Speaker 1: we feel like he could have been let go earlier
Speaker 1: than he was. Um, Gus Bradley, you could have said
Speaker 1: that David Caldwell, um had more lives than a cat
Speaker 1: in that franchise. And at some point it's like you,
Speaker 1: it's on Shod con to go hire the right people,
Speaker 1: and so urban Meyer's name pops up, and um, that's
Speaker 1: gonna draw a ton of attention. He see. It seems
Speaker 1: like they're to some degree sort of heat seeking on
Speaker 1: the idea of that. If that's what's going on there,
Speaker 1: I mean that would be a splashy higher that is
Speaker 1: the former Ohio state coach Urban Meyer, who had a
Speaker 1: fantastic career as the coach of the buck Eyes. You've
Speaker 1: also heard the current Ohio state coach Ryan Day bandied
Speaker 1: about as a potential option in Jacksonville. It's very clear
Speaker 1: it seems that with the big quarterback on the way,
Speaker 1: that Shod Khan is looking also to make a splash
Speaker 1: here with his head coaching higher and completely reset this
Speaker 1: organization going forward. Because I'm with you, Greg on the
Speaker 1: scoreboard thing, but I still understand why this would be
Speaker 1: seen to an outside as Wow, if you get the
Speaker 1: right management in place at GM and you give me
Speaker 1: this quarterback and you let me be the head coach,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, we have a chance to get good
Speaker 1: very quickly. Um. All right. In other news, Anthony Lynn,
Speaker 1: he doesn't make it. This one surprised me. I even
Speaker 1: teed up Nick Shook on the Flagship Show after l
Speaker 1: A beat the Chiefs and immediately meaningless Week seventeen game
Speaker 1: for Kansas City. No Patrick Mahomes, but still it was
Speaker 1: four consecutive wins for the Chargers to end the season.
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert ended his fantastic rookie season on a high note.
Speaker 1: One of the great rookie seasons we've ever seen. Seeing
Speaker 1: the quarterback playing extremely well, a guy that you hope
Speaker 1: is there for fifteen years, you end on a four
Speaker 1: game winning streak. But Mark ultimately, um four years and
Speaker 1: a lack of success and some high profile bungling of
Speaker 1: some of the important elements of being a head coach
Speaker 1: seemed to get Lynn in the end. Yeah. I think that, like,
Speaker 1: if you look at what you look for in a
Speaker 1: head coach like Anthony Lynn, and there's a reason I
Speaker 1: think that the media um respond so positively to him
Speaker 1: is that he has traits of leadership, and he has
Speaker 1: a history of players buying into him and and liking him.
Speaker 1: But um, it was interesting the Dean Spano's basically said
Speaker 1: that the Chargers have been in a quote essentially innovative
Speaker 1: in many facets of their organization and they need to
Speaker 1: carry that over to the entire operation. And I think
Speaker 1: that pointed to some degree to coaching and game day
Speaker 1: management and the black mark on their record in close games,
Speaker 1: it's been really, really rough. Um it kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me a little bit. Um, tell me if I'm too
Speaker 1: far afield here, but old Chicago Bulls fans will remember
Speaker 1: when you had Michael Jordan's UM, you had Doug Collins
Speaker 1: as your coach, and they started to creep into contention
Speaker 1: and you saw the pieces in place, and they made
Speaker 1: a sort of surprising coaching switch and went and got
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson. They said, we have this star um that
Speaker 1: we need a coach who can match the star power.
Speaker 1: And when you have Justin Herbert um you were, you
Speaker 1: have an open invite to get some of the best
Speaker 1: coaching talent out there. Who wouldn't want to go there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot to like about the Chargers
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, so I think they're thinking, maybe this
Speaker 1: time around, we can maximize and get the best possible
Speaker 1: coach out there. The biggest surprise to me, it's just
Speaker 1: that Tom talasco has been their GM for so long,
Speaker 1: gets to hire his third coach. You never you almost
Speaker 1: never see that, like a GM getting to hire three
Speaker 1: coaches and like unless like the you know, one of
Speaker 1: them retired into like headed to the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: because he was too old or something like, you don't
Speaker 1: see it. Because Mike McCoy was, you know, a strikeout,
Speaker 1: and Lynn you know, had pretty good moments his first
Speaker 1: couple of years. Uh, and then you know you're firing
Speaker 1: him now and he gets another one and everyone points
Speaker 1: to the good draft picks to LESCo has had and
Speaker 1: that's fair. Um, but Lynn was, you know, over five
Speaker 1: hundred in his run. Intalasco has been there eight years
Speaker 1: and is under five hundred. So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: okay to point out. Um. I do like that the gms,
Speaker 1: you know, in place making the decision. Herbert to me,
Speaker 1: like blows up all this, like all the like I
Speaker 1: saw the excuses John always making for Drew Lock today
Speaker 1: about and but then you're like, well look at justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of blows it for all these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have excuses. Because if you got it like
Speaker 1: Herbert does, like you just got it all right. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens next With the charges we talked
Speaker 1: about last night that the Jets had fired Adam Gaze.
Speaker 1: Christopher Johnson, the team's um acting owner, gave a press
Speaker 1: conference today. He said, I don't much like the term CEO,
Speaker 1: but it does describe what we're looking for. We want
Speaker 1: a head coach that coaches the entire team and his staff.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be offensive. You have you don't
Speaker 1: have to be defensive. This is a coach for the
Speaker 1: entire team. This that's very important to us looking forward.
Speaker 1: Obviously a clear indictment of Christopher Johnson's own decision making
Speaker 1: when he kind of heat laser focused in on Adam
Speaker 1: Gates is the guy to get Sam Donald better and
Speaker 1: Gaye was an offensive guy and Greg Williams is the
Speaker 1: defensive head coach and it didn't work. So the Jets
Speaker 1: are now going to try a different tact in terms
Speaker 1: of who's going to be their leader on the sideline. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you are, and we talked about this yesterday as well.
Speaker 1: If if you want to take any hopeful positives out
Speaker 1: of the search, which I expect to go on for
Speaker 1: a while for the Jets, UH, is that it is
Speaker 1: all out there that Joe Douglas is going to be
Speaker 1: the guy that is going to pick the coach and
Speaker 1: then present it to ownership and hopefully ownership listens to
Speaker 1: the GM. I think that's how it's gonna play out,
Speaker 1: and hopefully that will create um, you know, or lose
Speaker 1: a sense of dysfunction that's plagued this organization for a decade.
Speaker 1: I mean, I always thought that the word was that
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas and Adam Gates got along pretty well. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like there was a total lack of harmony there.
Speaker 1: But um, for a GM that you know has he's
Speaker 1: held in high regard, certainly by many media people. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you you'd think that he'd have a chance
Speaker 1: here to pick someone that he can work with, because
Speaker 1: to the Telesco point, this is probably his last chance
Speaker 1: to pick a coach and he's got to get it
Speaker 1: right and they're gonna have to nail the quarterback. And
Speaker 1: if those things happen, suddenly everyone looks pretty wise. I'm
Speaker 1: noticing the trend when we talk about these guys, and
Speaker 1: I'm just a little bit of self scouting. That's what
Speaker 1: you do, you know, the week after the regular season,
Speaker 1: you do, you know, you have some meetings internal What
Speaker 1: went right, what went what didn't go right? Um. We
Speaker 1: I think we as a group don't like the guys
Speaker 1: who butter up the media, who get a little extra
Speaker 1: shine from the media, because we kind of know the game,
Speaker 1: but we're not really on the inside. So we just
Speaker 1: like we we see you people who are kissing up
Speaker 1: to the media, and we're we're gonna call you out.
Speaker 1: We're the truth tellers. We were biased against them. I'm
Speaker 1: including Mark and myself and that at least because I
Speaker 1: definitely have that trade and I can hear it from
Speaker 1: Mark Tosh. It's snug starts to become obvious and overt,
Speaker 1: and it's a nice little party for everyone too. I
Speaker 1: do like the setup tho Dan too. You know, I
Speaker 1: killed the jets um the way that they did the
Speaker 1: last couple. You know, when they hired Gates, I killed
Speaker 1: it that day and it never made And when they
Speaker 1: fired the last GM, I killed it that They never
Speaker 1: made any sense. You know, it just seemed doomed from
Speaker 1: the start, and this this does not seem doom from
Speaker 1: the start. This seems to make sense. We'll see. I
Speaker 1: was up at what's up, Bricky? Well, Greg, you just
Speaker 1: said you're gonna call all these people out, but you
Speaker 1: didn't call anyone out, So why don't you just call
Speaker 1: them out? It was by the context clues I was
Speaker 1: coming off of what Mark said. He was basically saying,
Speaker 1: Joe Joe D's got friends in the media. I did
Speaker 1: think anyone listening that that's what he was talking about. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just want to. You said you're gonna call him out,
Speaker 1: so let's do it then, right. I guess Ricky is saying, basically,
Speaker 1: it's a half measure. You go out of your way
Speaker 1: to show that you are someone that's plugged in and
Speaker 1: gets it everything I was assuming, I'm assuming. Listen. We
Speaker 1: pointed out every show Who's Who's people that gets up
Speaker 1: to the media, throw let's throw it Talasco's name into
Speaker 1: the mix too. We just talked about it basically, you
Speaker 1: know the ones it works. That's the thing I've learned
Speaker 1: more than than anything I feel like in the last
Speaker 1: fifteen years, is it really does work to insulate yourself
Speaker 1: with the media. It makes a difference. There's a reason
Speaker 1: these guys do this. I was I woke up um
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night and I was going
Speaker 1: through you know, I was reading all the postmortems on
Speaker 1: Gaze and and who the Jets might go after. And
Speaker 1: this applies not just to the Jets but all these
Speaker 1: teams looking for coaches. This is a tricky year to
Speaker 1: be on the hunt for a head coach because, like
Speaker 1: Straeger said last week, there's no like obvious slam dunk guy.
Speaker 1: So uh, no matter who these teams come down with
Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna have to on some level
Speaker 1: as a fan, talk yourself into it and trust what
Speaker 1: what your team is saying about the higher and why
Speaker 1: they think it's the right move, because I don't see anything. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Arthur Smith is an example. Every coach, every
Speaker 1: team that's looking for a head coach is requested to
Speaker 1: speak with Arthur Smith. So it's like, okay, so Arthur
Speaker 1: Smith must be like a crazy and demand guy that
Speaker 1: your your organization be galvanized by. But nobody really thinks
Speaker 1: that about Arthur Smith. Maybe he is going to be great,
Speaker 1: We don't know, but he's uh, you know, he's an example,
Speaker 1: right FedEx money. Maybe they just like want some they
Speaker 1: want to be connected to the FedEx zion? Is that
Speaker 1: the word? Maybe I don't know, the zeitgeist like s
Speaker 1: C I O n oh that one. Yes? All right, okay,
Speaker 1: so there you go. The Jets, all right, the Lions,
Speaker 1: we know about nothing new on that. For the Texans,
Speaker 1: UM and the Falcons. Those are the other three job openings.
Speaker 1: So you have six head coaching vacancies right now. Now
Speaker 1: it's been through the rest of the news. So Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1: There was a report floated by Mike Florio of PFT
Speaker 1: yesterday that he might not be safe with Cincinnat Addie. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: the Bengals went and doused that report with cold water
Speaker 1: by coming out on Monday and saying, yes, Zach Tayler
Speaker 1: is our guy, and he's coming back for a third
Speaker 1: year on the sidelines. He has not had any success
Speaker 1: when loss wise, Mark, But um, you know, at the
Speaker 1: same time, this is not still not a great roster
Speaker 1: and the Joe Burrow injury just killed any momentum they
Speaker 1: could have built down the back stretch of the season. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you I think it'd be going into
Speaker 1: the year, we talked about like who is Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1: We've we've had that conversation multiple times. Um. I'd come
Speaker 1: away saying, you can feel real encouraged about the Titans
Speaker 1: win with Joe Burrow. You can feel good about beating
Speaker 1: the Steelers with Brandon Allen. Um, they finished bottom five
Speaker 1: and offense yards per play scoring. Um, but you're in
Speaker 1: an organization. Mike Brown came out today and said he's
Speaker 1: very bullish on Zach Taylor. I found that to be
Speaker 1: the wording of an aged man. But um, that's a
Speaker 1: good thing if you the definition is positive if you're
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, and UM, I get it. Why why dump him?
Speaker 1: Because it's he hasn't really had a chance yet with
Speaker 1: a full year with Burrow, and I did see some
Speaker 1: things and it's not like you know Burrow was under
Speaker 1: coached by them. Um, the issue is talent organization. Here's
Speaker 1: my question. Would Marvin Lewis have done worse than Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor better? I mean, I I just I'm waiting to
Speaker 1: find out who this coach is. But I think it
Speaker 1: would have been premature to jomb ship and then resell
Speaker 1: someone else on the Solomon Wilcox once told me Marvin Lewis,
Speaker 1: for all his wards, that man raised the Titanic. He
Speaker 1: turned the Cincinnati Bengals into a a f C playoff
Speaker 1: contender year after year. Maybe. And I don't think he's
Speaker 1: another example because I think Peter mentioned his name. Potentially,
Speaker 1: he's had some interviews, He's had some interviews that would
Speaker 1: not be higher that would excite anyone. But I think
Speaker 1: he gets lost in the mix because Lewis kind of
Speaker 1: became almost like a figure of comedy, uh for Twitter
Speaker 1: middle school, because he lasted for sixteen years of that
Speaker 1: winning playoff games. But Marvin Lewis is an idiot. He
Speaker 1: accomplished much more, uh than than Zach Taylor could ever
Speaker 1: dream of through two seasons of his coaching career, right
Speaker 1: because Louis, if nothing else, is going to bring a
Speaker 1: good staff. And that's the question that Taylor has. No
Speaker 1: one wanted to work firm at first. I mean, he
Speaker 1: went through like nine defensive coordinators before he found one
Speaker 1: that said, yes, I think he might change his defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator lu uh lu and a rumo. We don't know
Speaker 1: that yet. So he's been in. Lou Alberto not a guy.
Speaker 1: That's not a guy that's been mentioned on this show
Speaker 1: a lot. It would have been nice to see Burrow
Speaker 1: through the end of the season. It was hard to really.
Speaker 1: I think much of Borrow's injury and a strange twist
Speaker 1: of fate saves Zach Taylor's job. That's also something to
Speaker 1: maybe consistency for Joe Burrow. Let's not make him the
Speaker 1: latest rookie quarterback with you know, three coaches and four
Speaker 1: years and multiple schemes. Maybe it's just like, let's keep
Speaker 1: things as they are. They gotta do something though, if
Speaker 1: he just shows back up and not like blue Polo
Speaker 1: you know all the time, Zach Taylor and they have
Speaker 1: another like four and eleven season. If like, if we
Speaker 1: were back in the old blog days and the odds
Speaker 1: we all we all wrote for blogs around the NFL
Speaker 1: is a blog remember that it was called a round
Speaker 1: the league? That was good. Uh, like a really mean
Speaker 1: spirited blog post would be like the most forgettable NFL
Speaker 1: coaches who like reached their third season, and and Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor right now would be on you know, probably be
Speaker 1: on that list if you have to. He'd be the
Speaker 1: reason you put the article right, he would be the inspiration.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he would fall. You'd have to
Speaker 1: do some research, but so he's on the mountain rushmore
Speaker 1: of terrible third year coaches. That's terrible. I said most forgettable.
Speaker 1: There's because a lot of times terrible means memorable. So
Speaker 1: these could be some, you know, multiple five and elevens
Speaker 1: that you just forgot. Every Blase a leader of men,
Speaker 1: a largely forgettable leader of men that you don't remember
Speaker 1: lead you or anyone else, or that you don't remember
Speaker 1: covering you don't you're like, oh yeah, I forgot that guy.
Speaker 1: You know. It was like someone brought up how many
Speaker 1: assistant coaches Brad Childress uh like has turned in Chile coaches,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I forgot Brad Childrens. He
Speaker 1: had like a six year run with four playoff spots.
Speaker 1: But it just sort of like totally forgot about it.
Speaker 1: Um all right, in other news that you know, one thing,
Speaker 1: So six coach openings, which is pretty much on average,
Speaker 1: but general manager openings there are seven of them right now.
Speaker 1: That's that's higher than usual. And the most high profile
Speaker 1: one opened up on Monday when John Elway uh and
Speaker 1: the Broncos announced that he would be stepping away from
Speaker 1: the role of GM after ten years. Um, and we'll
Speaker 1: be hiring a GM that will answer to John Elway
Speaker 1: and also Vic Fono, who's going to keep his job.
Speaker 1: So the Broncos are gonna hire a GM to quote
Speaker 1: make all football decisions, working in partnership with Vic, Elways
Speaker 1: said Monday. So that's big. Elway of course was the
Speaker 1: architect of the Super Bowl fifty champion, but it has
Speaker 1: been tough sledding in the years since, so he gets
Speaker 1: I guess what amounts to a promotion to president of
Speaker 1: football operations, but he no longer is the chief architect
Speaker 1: of the team. Greg Um, This is probably, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say, an overdue development, because John Elway deserved
Speaker 1: plenty of rope after what the team you put together
Speaker 1: with Peyton, Manning and von Miller. But it might have
Speaker 1: been time to shake things up this one, John, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. It strikes me as parcels Ian and
Speaker 1: Elway does deserve credit because they were great for four years.
Speaker 1: You know, Manning gets the most credit, by the way,
Speaker 1: but I mean, they were great for four straight years
Speaker 1: and they want it on almost the most surprising year
Speaker 1: that they had in It reminds me of when Bill
Speaker 1: Parcels kind of moved to like no longer being the
Speaker 1: coach or GM exactly, but then just tried to be
Speaker 1: like the football's are in Miami. That's sort of like
Speaker 1: the last move of a football ski in Scone, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like he's always trying to insulate himself,
Speaker 1: like he says he has other things he wants to
Speaker 1: do while still staying so he doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: as day to day. It makes sense. Also, ownership is
Speaker 1: like changing and weird there, so it's almost like planting
Speaker 1: a flag of like whatever happens here, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be that easy to take out like right away,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's a weird organization right now because
Speaker 1: you're making them take Vic Fundio too. It's not a
Speaker 1: normal GM job there. I mean, they're also very few
Speaker 1: scenarios where your general manager is an icon in your town. Um,
Speaker 1: where people go to games still wearing John Elway jerseys.
Speaker 1: And I had a friend from Denver that rome and said, wait,
Speaker 1: did um smell Away get fired because he calls him classics?
Speaker 1: I said, listen, he um he Essentially this is great
Speaker 1: for him. He got promote sixty years old. He promoted himself.
Speaker 1: We've got plenty of people like this, um inside NFL
Speaker 1: network and in the higher floors of our building. Well,
Speaker 1: these are people I don't even know their names, but
Speaker 1: you get the email every once a month this person
Speaker 1: and these people have been promoted. This this you know,
Speaker 1: there's names have been promoted eight times in the last
Speaker 1: four years. They move high up into the upper echelance
Speaker 1: of the company where there is no accountability. You have
Speaker 1: no idea what they are doing. John always said a
Speaker 1: couple of times during this presser, like I'm gonna stay
Speaker 1: attached where I want to and stay engaged where I
Speaker 1: want to. I still feel competitive, but basically it's a
Speaker 1: job that he will not be held accountable for it.
Speaker 1: It will make a lot of money for it, and
Speaker 1: I would imagine that's a nice thing to do when
Speaker 1: you're sixty years old. So are you. I'm getting mixed
Speaker 1: signals from you, Mark. Are we protecting the sacred cows?
Speaker 1: Or are we slaughtering them? Like? Where are we standing?
Speaker 1: Where we stand on all this? I'm not really out
Speaker 1: to get John Ellie. I mean, he won them a
Speaker 1: super Bowl. He won the multiple Super Bowls as a player.
Speaker 1: He got them one as a GM. He'd been there
Speaker 1: for ten years, they won like a hundred games a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Thing got real rough at the end, and I think
Speaker 1: he's sort of saying, seacrest out. It's not it's it's
Speaker 1: a tricky job. Of all these GM jobs open, I
Speaker 1: think it might be the worst, just because of the
Speaker 1: weird the weird dynamics and the ownership is messy. Just
Speaker 1: you can google it. There's lawsuits, there's inheritance, there's you know,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of there's a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: Going on there. So it's just confusing. What if it's
Speaker 1: a sound, what is it not? Scion? Let me, um,
Speaker 1: here's what it is. Say unless me, you know a word,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say, that's what it is. Unless you know,
Speaker 1: never use like a vocab word that you don't know
Speaker 1: what the pronunciation is. That's that may be the most
Speaker 1: trench and lesson we learned from this entire episode. I mean,
Speaker 1: anyone could they could apply that to Here is the pronunciation,
Speaker 1: according to a unchecked um site or page on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Here we go science science science. That sounds nice, sir? Okay, right,
Speaker 1: she like Siano like she gone, she Hey, New GM.
Speaker 1: By the way, you gotta stick with this coach I
Speaker 1: hired uh and shermer. Oh, and I really believe in
Speaker 1: Drew lock and and I'm your boss and I'm the
Speaker 1: hero and ownerships kind of change in here you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if this reminds me of the Jets set up, like
Speaker 1: after they fired the GM, like, it's just it's it's
Speaker 1: it's like, if things go poorly, it's your fault, New GM.
Speaker 1: If things go well, it was me that did it.
Speaker 1: And also Facio is your boy until he's not. And
Speaker 1: if you fire him. That's on you too, because you
Speaker 1: should have thought better than to keep him on. You
Speaker 1: should have lobbied with me, and I would have sided
Speaker 1: with you. It's a it's a viper pit up there
Speaker 1: in Denver. He you don't say that about my job.
Speaker 1: In other news of the Vikings, they're gonna have a
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator because Gary Kubiak, he's expected to retire.
Speaker 1: About that, Uh we lad we lad with the show.
Speaker 1: We led the show talking about the defensive coordinator of
Speaker 1: the Eagles stepping away from the league. Kubiak now also
Speaker 1: expected to step away. Obviously, Gary has had some health
Speaker 1: issues in the past, and he he stepped into a
Speaker 1: more prominent role this year. But I guess it's gonna
Speaker 1: be one and done with Minnesota as the OC. I
Speaker 1: wonder if these two stories are connected. I saw someone
Speaker 1: wonder about it, whether Kubiak could be heading back to
Speaker 1: to Denver, you know, in the front office or something.
Speaker 1: We've done this show long enough. We've done Kubiak retirements before,
Speaker 1: so we probably we should just Ricky, go find that
Speaker 1: and replay what we said. Sometimes you can't keep sometime
Speaker 1: in the next five last five years. Just go check
Speaker 1: it out. Kubiak took a stroke in the middle of
Speaker 1: the damn game, like ten years of go and he's
Speaker 1: still doing it, like you can't keep Gary got the sideline. No,
Speaker 1: he was sort of like the poster boy for these
Speaker 1: coaches are working two hours, you know, and it's and
Speaker 1: it wasn't untrue. I mean, there are whispers that Clint
Speaker 1: Kubiak could become Mike Zimmer's next offensive coordinator, the son
Speaker 1: of Gary Kubiak. He's hiring his six play caller in
Speaker 1: six years, by the way, I mean he took Kubiak
Speaker 1: came there and Stefanski was there last year. The offense
Speaker 1: wasn't their problem. That was the best offense I think
Speaker 1: they've probably had since Mike Zimmer has been there. There
Speaker 1: is keat also that Anthony Lynn could be the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator here in Minnesota. Keep an eye on that. Anthony
Speaker 1: Lynn will be hired very quickly for to be added
Speaker 1: to someone's staff and that will be a major repeated
Speaker 1: notebook item come August about what he's bringing to the
Speaker 1: coaching staff and the locker room. You know, Clint Kubiak,
Speaker 1: that that's a name and it goes back. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be labor at this point, but like Arthur
Speaker 1: Smith even we went with Artie Smith or or you know,
Speaker 1: special Delivery Smith like, still not a lot of buzz.
Speaker 1: But if it was Clint Kubiak running that offense in Tennessee,
Speaker 1: I think he's he's getting Robert Sala type attention right now,
Speaker 1: You're not. It's all about the name. Well, he's got
Speaker 1: he's got the nice I hope he inherited the nice
Speaker 1: hair from his his dad too. Do you like the
Speaker 1: double K though? He goes Clint with a K? You know,
Speaker 1: two k's, you're only one away from three. It's right,
Speaker 1: that's tricky, that's problematic territory and society. I don't like that,
Speaker 1: But you know, at the same time, who am I
Speaker 1: to judge? Greg? You have three gs? Some people might
Speaker 1: say that that's mark you. You have it with the CEA.
Speaker 1: You you guys are all outside the box. It could
Speaker 1: be too could be too much. Do you feel do
Speaker 1: you ever feel that life would be different if you
Speaker 1: had a name spelled the proper way, the correct way?
Speaker 1: You know which one of us are you speaking to?
Speaker 1: I mean, I I like I don't like the name
Speaker 1: Greg at all, but I like it better with the
Speaker 1: next Gee, Lisa gave me the whole six G bit.
Speaker 1: You know, you know it's good. I would never want
Speaker 1: to switch to become Mark with a K at this
Speaker 1: point we've gotten this far field. That would be an
Speaker 1: absurd moved back to the media, back to the like.
Speaker 1: You can check with Social Security to see how popular
Speaker 1: names are over the years, and I have checked as
Speaker 1: no one names their kid Greg anymore, like no one,
Speaker 1: It's not even in the top thousand. It's over. It's over.
Speaker 1: It's like Tiffany is some hot in the eighties. And
Speaker 1: then that was it. It was game over. Uh and
Speaker 1: other news. So Kubiak expected to retire. Now Philadelphia Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1: Some people wondered about Doug was he going to survive?
Speaker 1: And then there was the fiasco uh yesterday last night
Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football, where the Eagles brought in Nate
Speaker 1: Sudfeld how to get a look at Nate Sudfeld, which
Speaker 1: essentially eliminated, for all intents and purposes, the Giants from
Speaker 1: having a chance to win that division. Boo, who you want?
Speaker 1: Six and ten? But let's get back back on track here.
Speaker 1: Peterson and Howie Roseman did a press conference together, so
Speaker 1: Doug's not going anywhere, and um, the general manager, Howie Roseman,
Speaker 1: spoke on the topic of Carson Wentz, who of course
Speaker 1: lost his starting job to Jalen Hurts, And there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of media speculation about a fallout and a
Speaker 1: fractured relationship between Doug Peterson the head coach is going
Speaker 1: to stay at the head coach and Carson Wentz and
Speaker 1: the possibility of a trade. Here's what Howie Roseman said
Speaker 1: in The Spin Machine on Monday. Um, when you have
Speaker 1: players like that, they're like fingers on your hands. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't even imagine that they're not part
Speaker 1: of you, that they're not here, And um, you know
Speaker 1: that's that's how I feel about Carson. That's like the
Speaker 1: most non answer ever, by the way, it's it's a
Speaker 1: bunch of descriptive language, but then when you really drill
Speaker 1: down on it, it means absolutely nothing at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I throw a few of those responses around on this show.
Speaker 1: So you know, no errors towards howing MARKU is good
Speaker 1: at that if he knows how to you know, a dodge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he never They never said, they never promised not to.
Speaker 1: They said all the reasons they loved Carson Wentz in
Speaker 1: the first place, like they still believe in that the
Speaker 1: Wenz Peterson things seems more germane. The it was weird.
Speaker 1: It was weird press commerce because everyone's remote, and they
Speaker 1: asked all the questions to Howie because they never get
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman, like Doug Peterson, just like sat there and
Speaker 1: they know the score that whence these reports that are
Speaker 1: come out, they gotta come from somewhere. And it really
Speaker 1: seems like it's Wentz his camp um that's putting it
Speaker 1: out there and trying to get a divorce, and and
Speaker 1: that they do have a problem with the coach, and
Speaker 1: if the coach is staying and I you know, put
Speaker 1: two and two together there. Well, and Wentz refused to
Speaker 1: speak to the media today, So he doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: a happy camper to me necessarily. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's like the kind of Howie Roseman saying the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that you say when you might still be
Speaker 1: stuck in this relationship at training camp and you don't
Speaker 1: want to you know, suggests anything other than he's a
Speaker 1: finger on my hand and I would never cut it off. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't buy a word of it. If the right
Speaker 1: situation comes to allow them to cleanse themselves of this
Speaker 1: pretty terrible offseason storyline that where I'd like him to
Speaker 1: cleanse it so that we can be rid of it.
Speaker 1: But um, it doesn't sound like that's the plan right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if Carson Wentston had signed that huge contract extension, this
Speaker 1: is probably you know, a non starter. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: He'll be moved and and fresh start for both sides,
Speaker 1: and the Eagles recoup a draft pick and either you know,
Speaker 1: get behind Nate Sudfeld as the backup quarterback of the future,
Speaker 1: or they invest in another quarterback in the room to
Speaker 1: join Dalen Hurts. Who knows, but because of that contract
Speaker 1: they might be stuck together. I just found it funny
Speaker 1: that his choice of words like as if you know,
Speaker 1: just because you can't imagine him not being there, that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. I mean that you're gonna get rid
Speaker 1: of them if you if you can, but maybe they
Speaker 1: don't know if they can. So when it's the end
Speaker 1: resulted it like, you know, one of the more um white,
Speaker 1: knuckle hard scrabbled group of beat writers in America are
Speaker 1: supposed to go away from that press conference thinking no
Speaker 1: more questions. They're all in on Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: watched a little bit of it looking for that, and man,
Speaker 1: their questions are so brutal. They're just like, like the
Speaker 1: question that led to that was like, how do you
Speaker 1: explain that Carson Wentz had the biggest regression of any
Speaker 1: quarterback in the history of sports and embarrassed our city?
Speaker 1: Like that was like the question, It's like how He's
Speaker 1: just like how Anna? How He's answer is basically, alternative
Speaker 1: is to do The alternative is to do what m
Speaker 1: Naggy and Ryan pasted last year and just lie about
Speaker 1: Mitchell Trobinsky, you know, or whatever they were whatever they
Speaker 1: were doing. How Doug, how did you feel having to
Speaker 1: get up and put on a shirt and comb your
Speaker 1: hair for that press conference and then nobody wants to
Speaker 1: ask you a question? How did you feel about that? Off? Angelo?
Speaker 1: I totally get it. What do you think about Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz and him, you know, leaking all the stuff to
Speaker 1: the media causing an issue with your organization? St Angelo?
Speaker 1: What about the Giants and their fans thinking that you're
Speaker 1: the anti Christ for pulling Jalen Hurts in the gamest Angelo, Okay,
Speaker 1: we asked the hard hitting questions. I mean, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: all right to Dan Hansen's shout. All right, let's let's know, hey, Paul,
Speaker 1: let's now uh look too real quick before we sign off.
Speaker 1: Here a couple of wild card super excuse me, super
Speaker 1: wild card weekend games, uh, and some injury issues connected
Speaker 1: to teams. Jared go we talked about it on Sunday.
Speaker 1: He was throwing the football around over the weekend and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe trending towards returning for the Saturday game
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks. Well rap Sheet reported on Monday that
Speaker 1: it will be quote challenging for Jared Goff to return
Speaker 1: in time for the Seahawks game. Uh maybe Greg, maybe, Uh,
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh doesn't need Sean need his quarterback to rush
Speaker 1: back after John Wolford played okay this week. I don't
Speaker 1: know that's I started asking around, just curious. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone would know that. They would never reveal that,
Speaker 1: but I think that's a theory going around that Sean
Speaker 1: McVeigh would not mind seeing what John Wolford could do
Speaker 1: with the start in Seattle because he just saw what
Speaker 1: Goff did in Seattle and it was not great. I mean,
Speaker 1: the situation, which would be crazy. It would be so crazy.
Speaker 1: But it also isn't if you look at the way
Speaker 1: mcveigh's sorry for interrupting this. If you look, if you
Speaker 1: look at the way McVeigh called plays like, you could
Speaker 1: see his lack of confidence in go. I mean, if
Speaker 1: that happened and it played out, and you know, I
Speaker 1: read this report that you know they're heading to the
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest and it might be forty seven degrees with
Speaker 1: a chance of rain, and you don't want to put
Speaker 1: Golf in that situation. Um okay, I guess you want
Speaker 1: to put a guy who would be playing his second
Speaker 1: NFL game ever in that situation. But um, if it
Speaker 1: plays out that way, I'm sorry, but it's sort of
Speaker 1: the West Coast version of some of the Carson Wentz dynamics.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've just given Golf a ton of money.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go into the off season with this
Speaker 1: being the storyline that is attached to your team? I
Speaker 1: hope this isn't. There isn't like a is John Wolford
Speaker 1: better than Jard Goff conversation happening right now because that's absurd.
Speaker 1: L A The l A Times ran a column today
Speaker 1: and now I think it was kind of ridiculous saying
Speaker 1: like they had to start Walford. You know this, this
Speaker 1: is this is what happens in in fandom and in
Speaker 1: journalism to people get annoyed with certain players, and quarterbacks
Speaker 1: obviously will bear the brunt of this because they're so
Speaker 1: so highly visible and so important to the team. And
Speaker 1: when a quarterback that has a track record of not
Speaker 1: just success but like all pro level play, which there
Speaker 1: was a period where Jared Goff did that a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, that is all out the window now
Speaker 1: and now he's not even as good as the Arizona
Speaker 1: hot shot. Uh signal caller from the A f Uh
Speaker 1: what about the Brian Flores method? This would make more
Speaker 1: sense to me. If Jared Goff can play, start Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: and if he can't play the guitar, after you know,
Speaker 1: a quarter or two on Sunday or Saturday, then you
Speaker 1: bring in your little hero, Johnny Walford. You could play both, guys.
Speaker 1: This isn't baseball, you know, it's you could go back
Speaker 1: and forth if you wanted to, maybe flip it. Start
Speaker 1: Walford because you know he because you know he Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback in town. And if it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, look at Jim Everett bringing Jim Everett have
Speaker 1: ever played the first quarter, Mark Boulger the second, bringing
Speaker 1: Goff for the third, and close it out with Johnny
Speaker 1: Wolford in that r p O game. Remember when backups
Speaker 1: would go on, you know, playoff run and share. It's
Speaker 1: happened recently too, and like remember when it's like nothing
Speaker 1: like a good John Jeff has Stetler or Frank Reich
Speaker 1: a little playoff run or somethingnight someone named the Bill
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, what about the uh who was
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos coach this year that was like, uh,
Speaker 1: I could play quarterback on Sunday, Get him in the game,
Speaker 1: give him a couple of snats. See if he can
Speaker 1: play the game. He deserves it. Finally, um Mark. Bad
Speaker 1: news on the defensive line of the Cleveland Browns. Olivier
Speaker 1: Vernon has been placed on injured reserve. He tours Achilles
Speaker 1: tendon Um on Sunday. He had nine sacks, second on
Speaker 1: the team to Miles Garrett, and it is not good.
Speaker 1: Not good for Vernon, who's pending free agent, and not
Speaker 1: good for the Browns, whose defense isn't too hot to
Speaker 1: begin with, and now you takeaway one of their top
Speaker 1: playmakers on defense. Yeah, that really fin at that position.
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like Adrian Claiborne is the guy
Speaker 1: that would step in. And Claiborne isn't a guy that
Speaker 1: can shift Um from right to left because of the
Speaker 1: birth defect that he deals with and um, So, I
Speaker 1: mean that kind of just tells you that Pittsburgh can
Speaker 1: spend the week scheming um for Miles Garrett on one side,
Speaker 1: stacked the protection there, and you know, here's the worst
Speaker 1: formula for Cleveland. I mean, you can't get to big
Speaker 1: ben Um, but the Steelers can get to Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: And there's a very easy mental pathway to imagine that
Speaker 1: being the case. This is a big loss. He was playing. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think he had a great season last year,
Speaker 1: but Vernon Um was was playing really well, really well
Speaker 1: for them this year. And I'd go point to that
Speaker 1: Eagles game where he caused absolute total havoc and one
Speaker 1: of you know, a f C defensive Player of the Week.
Speaker 1: So it's a huge loss at the worst time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was playing great. They need Ward back, they need
Speaker 1: Denville Award back. Um, all right, and you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a full breakdown of Steelers, Browns, Rap, Seahawks and all
Speaker 1: the Super wild Card games on Thursday when we uh,
Speaker 1: you know, dig in on every game that we played
Speaker 1: this weekend. That's gonna be a lot of fun. We
Speaker 1: also have a totally different episode uh on NFL Network
Speaker 1: that is airing this weekend that is also you know,
Speaker 1: look ahead to wild Card Super wild Card weekend. Um,
Speaker 1: so check that out on NFL Network. It airs right
Speaker 1: went like if you have a three year old, um,
Speaker 1: like two hours before he wakes up. That's that's the
Speaker 1: first I think. We're in primetime at a normal time
Speaker 1: on Friday. And then it's the word of a better
Speaker 1: We're on Friday, We're on Friday night. I don't know
Speaker 1: the answer. Come on, producer, yea Friday, Friday afternoon. Correct. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. That's what it's all about. So put the
Speaker 1: three year old in the backyard, yeah and sit down
Speaker 1: and watch the show. Put a hoodie on it. It's
Speaker 1: getting cold out there. It all right, that's it. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we have the that show coming up. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: you're just talking about Olivia, right, Olivia because Olivia Wilde
Speaker 1: is now with Harry Styles. I just wanted to bring
Speaker 1: that false. Yeah, that's been a big news item today,
Speaker 1: a little bit about that. I just wanted to let
Speaker 1: you know, what do you where do you come down
Speaker 1: on that? I think it's great. I think it's great.
Speaker 1: When he was eighteen, he said he dates someone as
Speaker 1: old as his mom. So, um, that's younger. Olivia Wild's
Speaker 1: way younger. That guy makes a lot of the right moves.
Speaker 1: He moves the needle, he dresses in a certain way.
Speaker 1: He seems to appeal across and still Olivia Wilders and
Speaker 1: all sorts of things. And now he's going for the uh,
Speaker 1: the older woman market. He's with Taylor Swift for a while. Mhm.
Speaker 1: Running the gambit. Where do you come down on Styles
Speaker 1: as a recording artist, Mark Um? I actually think he's
Speaker 1: very talented. I do, And I listened to a little
Speaker 1: bit of the the group he was with. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know one direction. Are our kids like some of
Speaker 1: their songs when they were younger? So I think he
Speaker 1: is actually like a ultra talented dude. And good for him.
Speaker 1: You know, so much of the world is very handsome British. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, He's been in a couple of movies. He's
Speaker 1: an actor. He can do it all. If you're you know,
Speaker 1: if you're old enough, you know, George Michael was the
Speaker 1: biggest like British pop star in the world thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: and then about twenty years ago Robbie Williams. He had
Speaker 1: a big run there. Now it's Harry Styles the time,
Speaker 1: and we just got to get out of the way
Speaker 1: and enjoy it and then take all that watermelon sugar,
Speaker 1: take all that we can handle, even if we get
Speaker 1: the diabetes. Greg final word to you, Yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you think about him and dresses? Greg Go? I can't
Speaker 1: say I'm too familiar with Harry's work, but I do
Speaker 1: love me some of Olivia Wild, So he has has
Speaker 1: terrific taste Olivia Wild driving Greg Wild about that. That's
Speaker 1: quite a real revelation late in the show. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm like, that's a it's not a
Speaker 1: you know, a sneaky corner to be on or anything.
Speaker 1: All right, good, no show tomorrow. Uh, we'll be back
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Thank you to everybody for listening. Uh, we've
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