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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her radio. Alright, actually, it is time to break

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Speaker 1: down episode two of this season of the Bachelorette. There

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Speaker 1: are some shocking parts to this episode. I want to

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Speaker 1: start by asking if you agree or disagree with me.

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Speaker 1: I have a thought after two episodes, so my sample

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Speaker 1: that this feels more like a throwback season, like more

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Speaker 1: vintage Bachelorette Bachelor than how we've kind of gone about

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Speaker 1: the show in the last movie five years, even though

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Speaker 1: we have two Bachelorettes. I watched this and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this kind of feels like a season that I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get really into again. Well, why, well, I think we

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Speaker 1: have some very interesting contestants. I think is one um

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Speaker 1: that some we're gonna really root for, some uh we're

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Speaker 1: this whole episode. I do feel like they've gotten rid of,

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Speaker 1: or they're gonna get rid of, the more villainous characters

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Speaker 1: very quickly. Right right now. They're like kind of like

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Speaker 1: in and out, which kind of happened the past they

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Speaker 1: weren't around um and then I also in finding the

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Speaker 1: dynamic between Rachel and Gabby very interesting. They are very

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Speaker 1: supportive of each other. Uh, there was some odd moments

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Speaker 1: that we're getting during the episode where like they have

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Speaker 1: weird to me. But I think getting to know them

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Speaker 1: gonna go about this process very differently, so we're kind

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Speaker 1: of getting two seasons all in one. We're we're gonna

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Speaker 1: agree with one lead, we're gonna disagree with the other.

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Speaker 1: That might switch back and forth over the season. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like now I'm kind of like engaged more

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Speaker 1: than I was in the past, where the villain took

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Speaker 1: up all the screen time was always on the episode,

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Speaker 1: the drama was always at the forefront, and that just

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Speaker 1: got annoying and hard to watch. Now, I feel like

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Speaker 1: most of this this episode, at least, was their own

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Speaker 1: journey struggling through who to send home, who not send home,

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Speaker 1: and also dealing with conflict, which used to be the

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Speaker 1: storylines of the past. Yeah, that was really well put.

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Speaker 1: I really have enjoyed as well. Um, both girls I

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Speaker 1: find are equally compelling to watch, and it's just nice

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Speaker 1: it's just nice having a variety. So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the moments that really stood out to us. So it

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Speaker 1: starts with them like basically needing to get to know

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Speaker 1: all twenty eight remaining guys, so a ton you could

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Speaker 1: call this. Do you call us a group date or

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Speaker 1: you just tell this like Rose Cocktail Party Part two,

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Speaker 1: it's yucky outside. They wanted to have a pool party,

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Speaker 1: but then they decided to kind of bring the pool

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Speaker 1: party inside and see what these guys can do in

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Speaker 1: speedos while having a talent show. The moment that stands

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Speaker 1: out to me most during this part was Jacob being hilarious,

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Speaker 1: comes up looking like his standard Tarzan, swivels a chair around,

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Speaker 1: you know, how to get the best mortgage. That was

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Speaker 1: a good laugh. Loved that the guys um they were fun,

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Speaker 1: this moment. What do you think I think there were two?

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Speaker 1: I mean, so far other than you know Chris's little mishap,

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Speaker 1: I don't not in the little mishap, I think he

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Speaker 1: or I enjoy watching you interact. So yes, I agree

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Speaker 1: with that. Okay, So then they just say that they're

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Speaker 1: over to their house, and that is what I love.

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Speaker 1: their house. That's cool. I like the wayther us utilizing

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Speaker 1: and then they go and off and do their date thing.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, Okay, why don't you come over for

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Speaker 1: feel like there's a clear boundary. I didn't know Nate

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Speaker 1: don't know about the Nate and Gabby sitch. I was

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Speaker 1: But didn't you know that Jordan's was for He said

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Speaker 1: But I don't know where Nate fully stands. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: has happened. It didn't feel awkward to me, well, because

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Speaker 1: each other. But it's weird. And I mean, if Rachel

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Speaker 1: need clear cut. We'll eventually get clear cut. I think

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Speaker 1: back to where we left off. The guys get invited

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Speaker 1: to Gabby and Rachel's house, and that includes Logan and

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Speaker 1: Logan kisses both of them. I watch it and I go,

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Speaker 1: Logan for doing this, because I don't know what's right

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Speaker 1: up to the guys to choose which one, and it

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Speaker 1: what gets Gabby and Rachel both seemed to have interest?

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Speaker 1: So what Gabby and Rachel gonna convene and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I like him, but how much do you like him?

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be the guy's decision. No, it's true. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just can't imagine they're both like, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: And that's why I said I want it clear cut, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: gonna have to wait a few weeks. Then there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of damage done before that few weeks.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not disagreeing with Caitlin where it's like it's

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Speaker 1: kind of makes me feel sick because I can't hate

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Speaker 1: two people once. They're all trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: So I cannot say I cannot hate on him for

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Speaker 1: I just said. When I watch it, it does make

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Speaker 1: When I watch TV I'm confused half of my life,

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Speaker 1: want confusion. I want it very clear. You don't Confusion

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Speaker 1: may not be the right word for you. You don't

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Speaker 1: want an emotional conflict. No, I don't want emotional Understand

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Speaker 1: what's going on. You just feel bad for what's going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would love to know what the general consensus was. Okay.

427
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: So then they go in a helicopter and fun helicopter

428
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: bachelor date with Gabby? Is anything going to be awkward?

429
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: She just seems like she's out to have fun and

430
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: really is like not taking anything seriously. Yeah, I know

431
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: she is taking it seriously, but when she's out on

432
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: a date, like I feel like she could just enjoy

433
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: time with anyone. Oh yeah, Because I think she's one

434
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: of those people that just you know, keeps it lighthearted

435
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: for as long as she can until a moment where

436
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: and we see it with you know the show. At

437
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: some point you know it's going to get very serious,

438
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: but until then, she seems like a great time, like

439
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: a really good person to hang out with and have

440
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: fun with. Nate was nervous. I don't know if you

441
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: could tell in his voice, but he kind of was

442
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 1: like had that like little like stuttery voice going on,

443
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: and she repeated himself too, Yeah, and she immediately kind

444
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: of calmed his nerves and made him feel super comfortable there,

445
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: which is great because there is a lot of nat

446
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: that we want to see. So, Ashley, what did you

447
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: think about them? They playing out, they went to the helicopter,

448
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: read they landed, they got in a hot tub shockingly, Uh,

449
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: this is the classic bachelor day helicopter and yeah, so

450
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: what did you think about the date? Is there a

451
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: connection there? H? Is there something serious? Is Nate one

452
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: to watch? Nate's definitely want to watch. I think he's

453
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: very I like him. I don't know that there's like

454
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: I actually need like comparisons, do you know what I mean?

455
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: Like I need these girls to really super connect with

456
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: somebody so I know what the threshold is so that

457
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: I can then put I could compare connections amongst the

458
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: highest of the high, right, Yeah, well right now it's Tino.

459
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: But Tino, obviously because he has a good connection. We

460
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: didn't see anything from me. He disappears for like the

461
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: next three weeks, then he'll pop up again. Exactly what

462
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: stood out about Nate's day? It was obviously him getting

463
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: emotional talking about his daughter, who's six, and there's a

464
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: video out there of him braiding her hair and it's

465
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: absolutely adorable. And Gabby she, you know, it's very accepting

466
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: of the fact that he has a daughter, and she

467
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: loved the way you talked about her. But there's not

468
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: much to say beyond that. Do you feel I would

469
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: only say there's something to watch, not watch out for

470
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: in the sense if it's bad, but watch out for

471
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: where Gabby, you know, I don't know if she considered

472
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: the fact that from this experience, she would, you know,

473
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: potentially be a mom very soon after. I think that's

474
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: something that is going to be a storyline to follow.

475
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: Is Gabby ready to walk out of this and take

476
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: on a child? Um? Some from the franchise have been

477
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Some from the franchise haven't been that's great. Too,

478
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: but it's just a storyline to follow is where is

479
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: Gabby at in her process of you know, working, you

480
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: know on a relationship with Nate while at the same

481
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: time knowing that if they are together, she could be

482
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: a mom very soon. So something to follow, something to watch. Well. Uh,

483
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: Nate gets the rose, goes back to the house. It's

484
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: now time for the final rose ceremony, or not the

485
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: final but the rose ceremony of the first the first

486
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: rose ceremony. They have a cocktail party. Uh, we've gotten

487
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: to see bits and pieces of Chris. I think that's

488
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: one thing that we should just kind of gloss over.

489
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: We've talked about it, but Chris at this point is

490
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: kind of mentioning how he believes he's going to be

491
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: there on the final four. He just knows he is.

492
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: He's saying this to all the guys and that he

493
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: is setting stipulations which we've seen in the past. Also

494
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: that if she's if any of the women that he's

495
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: with sleeps with somebody else in the fantasy suite, it's

496
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: a no go for him. We're in week two, barely

497
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: week two. We're kind of like, what week one and

498
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: a half because they've never had a road ceremony. They've

499
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: just now all started to talk to the people, to

500
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: the to the women, and he's making these pretty strong

501
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: claims on how it's gonna go for him. This is

502
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: his experience, which, hey, it is two sides, but at

503
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: this point, so your role buddy, Also, don't tell a

504
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes who are also trying to press out

505
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be there in the final four, because

506
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: that's never a good look. I don't love his demeanor.

507
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: I do think he comes across condescending. I think it's

508
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: I think he should not be talking about himself per

509
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: se in that top four position. So yeah, I do think,

510
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm gonna get shipped for this, but I

511
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: think it was maybe a little bit of an overreaction

512
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: on everybody's part um that he was talking about how

513
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: he would deal with fantasy suites, like I, like I said,

514
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: like his tone not not most likable. I get it,

515
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: But but I think it's fine for us to talk

516
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: about how you would hit would perceivably if you got

517
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: that far handle situation like that, especially since it's been

518
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: such a drama point the past couple of years. I

519
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: think you can talk about how you would handle it.

520
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: I think it's weird to maybe put yourself there being

521
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: like I will be there, so this is how I

522
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: will handle it. I think you have to say use

523
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: language like if I were to ever get there, I

524
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: would would like it to unfold like this. This is

525
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: how I can see myself maybe one day handling the situation.

526
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: It's all about how you word it right a little bit.

527
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: Here's here's my argument. There's a little bit of awareness

528
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: social awareness needed here too. I don't know, I know,

529
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: but I don't believe that conversation ever needs to exist

530
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: with other cast members. It's weird enough, you know. Back

531
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: in the day, I was very much against even talking

532
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: about kissing the lead if you were a cast member

533
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: with other cast members. I thought that was a little

534
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: bit odd, right, even when I was on The Bachelor

535
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: at that talked talked about your best friends. Yeah, you

536
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: just don't share that stuff because it is sensitive, and

537
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: as the feelings increase, it gets really hard to navigate

538
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: those emotions of I really care about this person, maybe

539
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: I love this person, and I know they're still out

540
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: there dating other people, and so it just is kind

541
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: of that like boundary. It's like, what awareness do you

542
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: have and who are you speaking to? And why are

543
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: you hearing this with him? What are you hoping to

544
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: get from this moment where you're sharing this really strong

545
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: feeling with other cast members? Where do you hope this goes?

546
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Do you hope they all agree with you? Do they

547
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: hope they you rally they rally around you? Do they

548
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: hope Do you hope they come behind you and support

549
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: you and tell the women, Hey, make sure that you're

550
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: good because Chris is so great you can't sleep with

551
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: anybody else and you need to be with him in

552
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: the end. I don't know what he was hoping from

553
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: this other than just to start talking now. If he

554
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: sat down with Rachel or Gabby and he shared with him, hey,

555
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: this is kind of where I'm thinking at some point

556
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: when it was appropriate, I would have a really hard time.

557
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: And I've already been thinking about the fantasy suits. I've

558
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: already been thinking about what that's gonna look like, and

559
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time processing how I would handle

560
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: it if I knew I cared so much about you too,

561
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: that that you could be with somebody else and I

562
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: needs need you to walk through this with me as

563
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: a partner totally different scenario, but he's sharing it with

564
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: the whole world. Hey, I'm gonna be there to Final four.

565
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: And if they sleep with anybody other than me, and

566
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if he said himself, but they if

567
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: they sleep around uh during the fantasy sweet dates, which

568
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: is up to them, then I'm out. Like, no matter what,

569
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: no matter what I'm feeling, that's not my wife, I'm out.

570
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: It's like, well, good, because you're gonna be going home tonight.

571
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: You're definitely out. You're not going to even make it

572
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: past the first week and a half, all right, I

573
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: guess you're right. I guess it's all in the way

574
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: that you say it is straying to talk about it

575
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: in a group setting. I guess I'm thinking about like

576
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: from like my experience, Like I would sit around with

577
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: like a clip of my closest friends and like kind

578
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: of imagine like if we got to a certain point.

579
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think you would ever. I would never ever,

580
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't remember anybody acting as if

581
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: they would be at that point that early on. No,

582
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just that just felt like a pretty

583
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: good red flag to say, hey, it's time for you

584
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: to go home, Chris. This is no longer for you.

585
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be for you, and so you're out now.

586
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: The interesting part is they do send Chris home. They

587
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: both talked to him. I think they handle it really well.

588
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: They're both pretty fired up. I could tell. It is

589
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: one of those moments where they're like, no, you aren't

590
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: gonna step on our parade and uh then he comes back. Yeah,

591
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: that was freaking weird. And I loved the way it

592
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: was shot. The scenes, all the guys you see the cameras.

593
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: It was dramatic. I love it when they break the

594
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: fourth law like that. I wish they would do it

595
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: more often. Yeah, I feel bad for like I won't

596
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: say his name, but one of the audio engineers is

597
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: like standing there and he's like working on stuff, and

598
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you see him like have

599
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: to move out of the way for Chris. He kind

600
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: of gets hit and he looks up. He's like, oh crap,

601
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: and then he sees the camera like on him and

602
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: he has to like dodge behind somebody. Um, but what

603
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: a great scene. I mean, all three hundred of the

604
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: dudes from this season are standing there watching this thing

605
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: play out. I Uh, I want to know what Chris

606
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: was thinking. I think we should have mom, because I

607
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: want to know what he was hoping to get out

608
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: of that moment, other than just to find out that yes,

609
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: many people from the house shared that you were saying this,

610
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: and that like not a lot of people were in

611
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: agreeance with you. I wonder if he just couldn't come

612
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: to terms with the fact that maybe he was wrong,

613
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: maybe his thought process wasn't as great as he thought

614
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: it could be or thought it was going to come off.

615
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: But Chris's home, going home now that the leads Rachel

616
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: and Gabby Uh stand up to him, say get out

617
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: of here, you don't belong here, and then we move

618
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: into a rose ceremony, a rose ceremony that I don't

619
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: think I had a lot of shocking exits. Really, I

620
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything from that to mention. Do you

621
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: have anything? Absolutely nothing to mention To the point where

622
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: I even forget them saying goodbye to the guys, I

623
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: don't think they ever did. It was very very quick,

624
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: like they kind of said, hey, say say goodbyes. They

625
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: showed the dudes kind of hugging out. Oh yeah, well,

626
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: I was actually shocked that Ryan got eliminated, not because

627
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: I saw a great romance about to form with one

628
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: of the girls with him, but just because they showed

629
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot of him on Night one. Yeah, I was like,

630
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm surprised too. So here's the guys that went home, Ryan, Matt,

631
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: John Brandon, and Colin. Good luck if you know any

632
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: of those people or if you could put a face

633
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: to the name at this point in this season, But Ryan, Matt,

634
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: John Brandon, and Colin are going home. That leaves us

635
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Jason Avan, Eric Zack, Jordan, Quincy, Michael, Tino, Jacob Tyler, Termain, Hayden, Meatball,

636
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: poor Guy, Kirk Spencer, alec Ethan Mario left to continue,

637
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: as well as Logan and Johnny. You all had roses

638
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: going into that ceremony, the really crazy weird, weird, weird,

639
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: weird weird part, and I was trying to understand if

640
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: I was understanding correctly. I was like, wait a second,

641
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Speaker 1: Am I getting this right? Is this Mario the say

642
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: Mario from last week? The Mario that both of them

643
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: seemed into in this episode? Why do they wait to

644
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: the last rose for him? No? Was it a matter

645
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: of who was the one that was actually handing the

646
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: rose because they were saying, the roses come from both

647
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: girls equally. You know, we're we collectively as a pair

648
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: or extending you this rose. Here's my come on now,

649
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: right Rachel was handing Tino the rose. It seems to

650
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: have some sort of meeting behind who was actually doing

651
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: the handing. Well, I think it hints to a storyline

652
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 1: that we should follow for the rest of the season,

653
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: which is gonna be that Mario is probably, um you

654
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: representive a of what this is going to look like

655
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: when things get a little messy and both people are

656
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: gonna be into Mario. Mario is going to be into

657
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Speaker 1: both of them. They're gonna all gonna try to figure

658
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: it out. They probably I won't know how to do

659
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: it perfectly ever, but somehow this will be a storyline

660
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: now that we follow because I think him getting the

661
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: last rose, and I think how the roses passed out

662
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: is just hinting foreshadowing uh if I say so, uh

663
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: for what is to come in the future, which will

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Speaker 1: be interesting to watch. We all knew it was going

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00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: to happen at some point. Uh, Ashley, that was a

666
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: crazy break down, A lot to talk about, but we

667
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of headlines. We're gonna get to a

668
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: few of them today. We'll get to a few others

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Speaker 1: next week. So let's take a break and come back

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Speaker 1: with Bachelor headlines. Signed for Bachelor Headlines with our expert,

671
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Speaker 1: Ashley I Connettie. Oh, I'm an expert, you are an expert.

672
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: Here we go. First one is this Ivan Hall seemingly

673
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: trolls Deandra over Nate dating speculation. This is a whole video,

674
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: so like the proof is in the pudding. Actually, what's

675
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: it all about? Okay? For those who don't know, there's

676
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: like some speculation that Deandra might be having something going

677
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: on romantically with Nate Michelle's X. They were spotted at

678
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: his birthday party earlier this month and she appeared to

679
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: be wearing his chain necklace. And it was also the

680
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: same weekend that Michelle blocked around followed Nate. UM and

681
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: then Ivan and Deandra did a little Q and Q

682
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: and I a little Instagram live together and he um

683
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: he asked, he asked her to describe her type and

684
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: the and then um she said something like she's like

685
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: I don't know Nate or or something. That's what she said,

686
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: like probably like Nate or something. And then Ivan was

687
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: like shocked and said who um, and they laughed and

688
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: she said, I'm kidding. You know, how do I say this?

689
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: Guys who have a bit more swag, I feel like

690
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: me um, like a pro athlete, you know, Guys a

691
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: little more slag, Guys who are into fashion. Yeah, there's

692
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: some hinting now at at this thing being a thing.

693
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: It's been rumored for a bit. We don't have any

694
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: clear knowledge that they are dating or hanging out, but

695
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: we've seen video now of them together. We have this

696
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: interview to pull back on. If you remember when we

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00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: interviewed DeAndre, she had mentioned that Ivan is one of

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00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: her closest friends. So we're gonna watch this as it

699
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: plays out, because it's gonna get uh, gonna be a

700
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: story to follow. And if they ever come out publicly,

701
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. I think it could be

702
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: hard for many people. Now if they're happy what you know,

703
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: they're dating, their figuring out, but it could be hard

704
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: for many people. And and it may be hints to

705
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: some of Michelle's emotions during our crossover episode with them,

706
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: where she seemed still trying to process what had just happened. Uh.

707
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: During my jaw. It's dropped, it's dropped. I can't believe that.

708
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: I know, I know, we gotta, we gotta go through

709
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: the quick, but I just need to know, Well, what

710
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: was she thinking saying his name directly like that? Like? What? Okay? Bye,

711
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: moving on, moving on. Next story is this? It's one

712
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: that has been all across uh, Twitter and social media

713
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: this last week. I don't really understand it, so actually

714
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: I'll need you here to explain it to me. Here's

715
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: the headline. Joe, Natasha, and Tia weigh in on the

716
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Nick Vile and Katie Thurston drama, plus thoughts on Slussgate.

717
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: I I don't know what slus Gate is. I've seen.

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00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: I think I understand the Nick Vile and Katie Thurston

719
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: drama just from what I've been able to pick up on.

720
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: But it's been everywhere. What's going on? Can you explain this?

721
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: Because I don't even understand this? Like Nick has a

722
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: text that said that Katie was going to pick Blake

723
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: all along, so that everything with Greg was an over

724
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: exaggeration and she shouldn't have freaked out the way she did.

725
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: She knew she's gonna pick Blake all along. And then

726
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: like Nick revealed this, and then Katie said, like, Nick

727
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: is blocked on my phone for a reason. Am I

728
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: getting this right? You're getting it right. There is an

729
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: element here where we have written down where Blake Hurtzman's

730
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: then as came out against Nick, saying that he's a

731
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: hypocrite because Nick is sharing text on his podcast and

732
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: he was mad at Blake for sharing texts about Kaylin

733
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: back in the day, uh, you know, from Paradise. And

734
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: so then it kind of spiraled. I would say into

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00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: uh kind of the team Nick or team Katie and

736
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: Blake uh sides and people started to get upset. And

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00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: then Natasha, Joe and Tia weighed in on this whole situation,

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00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: and it sounds like they took Nick side, and people

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00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: didn't like that because they said they're company people at

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00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: least according to this, And so everybody's up in arms. Uh.

741
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Some people are on his team Nick, some people are

742
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: on team Katie. But it feels like there is just

743
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of This is what it feels like me

744
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: because I don't think we'll ever makes sense of this

745
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: whole thing. I don't think we're ever going to get

746
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: to the bottom of where all this is coming from.

747
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: What it feels like to me is we're getting a glimpse,

748
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: like a very top level glimpse of a lot of uh,

749
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: controversy and probably upset feelings that have happened behind the

750
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: scenes now for the last year, and now we're just

751
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: getting like a taste of some stuff coming out. Okay,

752
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: so let's not watch the blues Gate. And it is

753
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: sort of sort of related because Katie is saying that

754
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: she has a whole bunch of tea and she's spilling it.

755
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: One of those ta hot items is that she has

756
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: this photo of Hannah and s louse Um on a

757
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: cart down in the resort in Palm Springs in which

758
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: Tasia and Claire season was taken, and it was supposedly

759
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: taken that same summer. I think the reference here, or

760
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: the tea that she's trying to mildly spill, is that

761
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: Hannah Anne may have been in the running to take

762
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: over claire spot instead of Tassia, and it was all

763
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: like that that the decisions were made like there in

764
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: the moment. I don't know if anybody even knows that

765
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: that was truly Katie's intention, but I'm pretty sure that's

766
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: what sleuth Gate is about well, I will say this

767
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: to make sense of all of this now, to kind

768
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: of summarize it. They have multiple people pick for leads

769
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: each season. Now they might have a favorite, but sometimes

770
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: negotiation on pay and all that goes up until the

771
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: very last minute, and so they always have like a

772
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: backup option around and there, I mean until the bachelor

773
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: Bachelor is announced. Then there are some like plan B

774
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: and c's and so maybe Hannah and was like a

775
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: Plan B, and Tassia was Plan A, and they brought

776
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: Hannah Anna and just in case Tasha couldn't make it,

777
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: or maybe back then she had COVID and wouldn't be

778
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: able to film, and so they had to have some

779
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: other options available. I don't know, I'm just assuming that

780
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: if she was there, Yeah, she's probably in the running.

781
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: Like is that shocking now? Of course? And they're on names. Yeah,

782
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: she was of course in the running. Okay. The Nick

783
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: situation with Katie Thurston sounds like the two of them,

784
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: uh you know, are at odds. And it sounds like

785
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Katie has blocked Nick and it sounds

786
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: like Nick is upset with Katie, and so the two

787
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: of them have came out publicly now and did this

788
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: on social media, and then Clickbait came out and shared

789
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: their opinions on the matter. I think most Bachelination feels

790
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: like they took Nick's side, uh during this, and so

791
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: some are upset about that. Some are not upset about that.

792
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: But here is to come down to it. No matter

793
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: what your opinion is, Katie and Nick have now came

794
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: out publicly on social media, um that that you know,

795
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: they're in a thistle or they're they're upset with each other.

796
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: And so that's just something the follow of course, when

797
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: we break down Bachelor headlines, that is a headline to

798
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: be followed. Uh. And maybe we'll learn more, maybe we won't,

799
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: maybe we'll just go away, who knows. But you know

800
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: what should happen? Nick should have Katy on the podcast.

801
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: M hm yeah, Well that feels like it just benefits Nick. Well,

802
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: we'll see how it is unfolds. But I can see

803
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: that Katie probably won't agree to it. But you know,

804
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: that would be an episode that all the Bachelor die

805
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: hards would be listening to. I I agree, That's why

806
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: I said. I think it would just really benefit Nick. Well,

807
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: you spoke about this earlier, Uh, Caitlin Bristow reacts to

808
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: The Bachelor at having two leads, why are we doing

809
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: this again? Now? We heard Caitlin Bristow come out a

810
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: few months ago when they announced that we have two

811
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: leads and she was upset about it. Then then Caitlin

812
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: comes out and says, um, effing hates watching two bachelorettes.

813
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: I cannot believe they are doing this. Uh. So she

814
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: is publicly saying that she is very upset. The former

815
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: bachelorrette and farmer host of the Bachelor is now publicly

816
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: saying she is upset once again while the season is airing. Okay,

817
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: so she's saying that she's watching and she's like, why

818
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: are we doing this again? Um? But she's remaining trying

819
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: to remain optimistic. She thought that they both observe their

820
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: own season. I don't think we can do that every time.

821
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: You know, we got that with Michelle and Katie. We

822
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: can't do that every time. Um. She said. I do

823
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: love that they have a solid friendship that can lean

824
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: on each other and go through this together, but they're

825
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: not setting them up for success by um saying you're

826
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: all dating the same guys. And she also said I

827
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: am hoping there's of course no drama, but there's gonna

828
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: be drama, and I just hope it works out for

829
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: both them in the end. And then so that was

830
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: her watching last week, and then this week she's less optimistic.

831
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: I'd say she knows. I fucking hate this. Am I

832
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: being dramatic? I can't believe they're doing this to these

833
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: women and to these men. It really feels like these

834
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: guys are just having friendly small talk. Yeah. That that

835
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: that's what she said. She said it on she tweeted

836
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: it last night. Yeah, she's been tweeting about it. Uh,

837
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: speaking of last night, the ratings are in here is

838
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: uh the article I'm reading, according the Programming Insider says this,

839
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: even as the Deluded, the Bacherette is enough to top

840
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: the evening in adults eighteen to forty nine, it's very

841
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: important demo for the show, with a point six rating UM,

842
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: but only managed to attract two point eight million viewers,

843
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: which is about what it had last week. This two

844
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: point eight million viewers trailed cbs is repeat lineup, which

845
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: is not good. Cbs is repeats had more viewership than

846
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: The Bachelorette. CBS had three point zero four million viewers

847
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: um and deteriorating show that I love, but I know

848
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be around much longer. On NBC called

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Speaker 1: American Ninja Warrior, which aired had two point five million viewers.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of uh, the Whole she Bang, the

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Speaker 1: Bacherette Place second or ABC Play Second with two point

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Speaker 1: eight million CBS was in first. It's a big deal

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Speaker 1: to see how this plays out now. I believe we

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Speaker 1: three four, we'll get better ratings. We hope, um, but

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Speaker 1: two point eight million viewers is still not a ton.

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Speaker 1: As we mentioned last week, that's still down from last

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Speaker 1: season's viewership. So there you go, take it for what

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Speaker 1: you well. Hey, Ashley Big Podcast, We're have an episode

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Speaker 1: struggle with lymphidema. That's gonna be one to listen to.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, you learn a lot here a lot

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Speaker 1: and uh hear about where he's at in life. It's

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