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Speaker 1: M Hi, s Y s K friends, It's me Josh

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Speaker 1: and for this week's s Y s K Select, I've

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Speaker 1: chosen how Lewis and Clark worked. A great episode from

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Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen. It reveals that the famed expedition could

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Speaker 1: have changed the history of relations between Native Americans and

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Speaker 1: European Americans, but sadly, the European Americans in charge ended

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Speaker 1: up going a different way. I hope you enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: eye opening episode about what could have been. Starting now,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Stuff you should Know from House Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Lewis Bryant. Ye. I thought you

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Speaker 1: like I thought about it. You like not chuckle do

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Speaker 1: that dumb joke I want. I wondered if I was

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Speaker 1: related to um Mr Clark. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 1: you heard of William Clark the explorer Lewis and Clark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I'm Josh Clark because Clark's the unusual name. You

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Speaker 1: might be no, but I mean like his family, uh

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Speaker 1: there you go. I wonder you have an explorer spirit.

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Speaker 1: You're a laid back guy. He was laid back yep,

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Speaker 1: not like Lewis. He was semi literate. Yeah, I'm fairly literate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the big distinction. It is funny, like, have you

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Speaker 1: read some of his verbatim journal entries Clark's or Lewis's, Well,

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Speaker 1: both of them, but Clark's way worse. Uh. Yeah, Lewis

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Speaker 1: boy writing in a Yeah. They were a good pair though. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this isn't one of those podcasts where or stories

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Speaker 1: where you look back and you're like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: histories really pumped this up and they were really kind

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Speaker 1: American heroes, you know, one semi tragic. I would say,

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Speaker 1: well the ending is pretty tragic. No, but Louis Lewis

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Speaker 1: And I prepped by watching the four hour Ken Burns

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Speaker 1: And then I got to, uh, the two hour point,

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Speaker 1: That's so funny because in the email you you emailed

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's do this. This is one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite stories in history? Is it really? Yeah? Man?

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Speaker 1: And again I've said this before. Why isn't this a movie,

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Speaker 1: like a really good movie? Not? Have you seen almost heroes?

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Speaker 1: Right there? You go? No? Alright, So Chuck um Lewis

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Speaker 1: say in French what had just been said in Hadata

424
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: to another man, who would in turn tell William and

425
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: uh Merryweather what had been said in English. That was

426
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: the translation line and Sacagaweya was the pivotal point of

427
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: this as far as speaking to um plains tribes. Point. Yeah,

428
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: and you would think that's setting it up to say

429
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: in like big problems arose because of it. But it

430
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: really worked pretty well. No, because they're also trained in

431
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: plain sign language to Apparently there was a lot of

432
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: um gesturing that was fairly universal. That a lot of

433
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: the people who were recruited in St. Louis originally were

434
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: familiar with two. So they got along pre well. They

435
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: did all right. So after the Mandon villages, they broke

436
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: camp and went on um to the confluence of the

437
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: Yellowstone with the Missouri and entered the land where they

438
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: started seeing, like when they hit the planes, they started

439
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: seeing these crazy animals they've never seen before. Uh, it's

440
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: important to say they didn't discover anything. Yeah, it's very

441
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: important to say that they were just the first white

442
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: guys to record it for science. Um. But prairie dogs

443
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: and elk and buffalo by the tens of thousands, Uh, antelope,

444
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: all kinds of things to them that were just these

445
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: weird animals. Um. They actually sent a live prairie dog

446
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: back to Jefferson, which is pretty neat. It's hilarious and

447
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: it made it all the way. Grizzly bears they encountered

448
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: those for the first time on this expedition. Yeah. They

449
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: were warned at the grizzly by the Indians and they

450
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: were like we we've hunted brown bear and black bear.

451
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: And then they were kind of like, holy crappy. In

452
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: their journals, they were like, I've never seen anything like this.

453
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: It took ten shots and we almost died. And the

454
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: grizzly bear, to be reckoned with Lewis said something like, um,

455
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: I'd rather fight two Indians than one grizzly bear. Yeah.

456
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: So here we are in early June. Uh. They reached

457
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: the point where the Missouri divided that they didn't they

458
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: weren't told about this, uh fork. So they're like, huh right,

459
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: what should we do here? In equal parts north and south? Yeah,

460
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean it was like a hardcore left and right

461
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: that was uh, basically everyone in the party agreed on

462
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: one direction except Lewis and Clark. They were like, we

463
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: were old school, we like in sync. Yeah. So they

464
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: despite the fact that everyone disagreed, they followed them, and

465
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: that just shows like how united they were. They were like,

466
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 1: you know what, we don't think you guys are right,

467
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: but we're going to follow you because you are our

468
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: captains and we want to see your faces when you

469
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: realize you're wrong, which actually would happen, but it wouldn't

470
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: lead to like eating each other like the dinner party. No,

471
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: huh um. So they keep mosying along and they're doing

472
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: pretty well. They apparently they got to a point where, um,

473
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: Clark looked down one day, I think it was Clark,

474
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: it was possibly Lewis too. It was Lewis and he

475
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: realized that a little stream at his feet was running

476
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: west and he realized that they just crossed the Continental Divide. Yeah,

477
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: that was the mouth of the Missouri that they were

478
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: literally straddling with their feet. Yeah, and they that meant

479
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: that now they had just left the Missouri and we're

480
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: going to hook up. First, they went onto the Snake River,

481
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: but that would take them to the Columbia River, which,

482
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: by their reckoning, would take them to the Pacific Ocean.

483
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: So they'd made it like a substantial amount of distance. Yeah.

484
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: That was a depressing moment though for Louis because he

485
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: he thought when he reached that ridge that he would

486
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: look and see just downhill to the ocean, and what

487
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: he saw was rocky mountains Nevada. Yeah, and he was like,

488
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: oh man, this is not going to be very easy. No,

489
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: we didn't know out the rocky mountains and even uh

490
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: even still, when they finally do think that they see

491
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: the ocean, they still were twenty five miles away from

492
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: it when they finally get to that point, yeah, which

493
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: we'll get to. Oh sorry, that's right. Uh. So what

494
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: they ended up doing they made a mistake because there

495
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: was a shortcut they could have taken. They would have

496
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: taken four days, and instead they had to go work

497
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: their way around the Great Falls of Montana, which took

498
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: uh fifty three days of portage. Uneasy portage, yeah, because

499
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: this portage was like carrying these boats. But also these

500
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: guys were wearing like moccasins and stuff, and they had

501
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: a huge problem with prickly pear, Yeah, which would just

502
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: go right through your moccasin. And it's basically like stepping

503
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: on nails the whole time while you're carrying a very

504
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: heavy boat. Yeah, and all your supplies whiskey and you know, food, salt.

505
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: Uh So on July twenty they arrived at another fork.

506
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: Three forks. They named them the Gallatin for the Secretary

507
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: of Treasury, the Madison for the Secretary of State, and

508
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: the Jefferson, and decided to follow the Jefferson because there

509
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: was more to it. I think, yeah, And I think

510
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: they were like, this is the one that is going

511
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: to head west, so they follow that. I think at

512
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: this pointer, either right before or right after they they

513
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: meet up with the Shoshoni. Have they met the Shoshoni yet? Uh? Well,

514
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: at this point Louis went off by himself, um, and

515
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: a couple of more people to find the Shoshoni, including

516
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: Sakaway right or No, she wasn't there yet. I don't

517
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: think she was there yet. But he did find them,

518
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: and um he basically said, hey, we come in peace.

519
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: We have a camp back here. We want you to

520
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: come hang out at. Well, they were in bad shape.

521
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Apparently the Shoshoni were. Oh they were. Yeah, they were

522
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: pretty worse for the wear and very docile as a result. Um.

523
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: So he met these women and children and told them

524
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and they came back and hung out

525
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: with them, and at Camp Soka Goea recognized one of

526
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: the women. Yeah, that Clark. Was that Clark or leew

527
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: Us I think at this point it was both who

528
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: who they came back with and said, hey, we found

529
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: some Shoshoni And she said, hey, that's actually my bff

530
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: from first grade. Yeah, because remember Psychic away I had

531
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: been um kidnapped and sold. So there were still members

532
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: of her tribe living around the rockies and um she

533
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: actually met up with them and with her brother who

534
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: was now chief. Yes, she was like your chief, you

535
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: know it, little sister. Anyway, you're married to a French trapper.

536
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: She's like that guy. Not really he bought me, uh

537
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: which is not funny at all, you know. Um So

538
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: then they proceeded across the continental divide to the main

539
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: village with the Shoshonees and uh hard on a tour

540
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: guide old Toby, which is a great name for an

541
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: Indian tour guide, and said Toby said, you know, I'll

542
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: lead you through these mountains but we're gonna need some

543
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: horses to eat because it's gonna be rough and to

544
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: travel with. Right, But this is where they were really

545
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: eating a lot of horse meat. Yeah, the Bitter Root Mountains.

546
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: It was pretty rough through Montana and Idaho. Uh and

547
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: that was when you know their spirits were never broken,

548
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: but that's when they were dampened for sure. So um,

549
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: when they make it through the Bitter Roots, I don't

550
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: remember why they did or where, but there was a

551
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: point where they said, we can't use these horses anymore.

552
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: I guess it's when they got onto the Columbia River. Right. Well,

553
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: maybe is this where they were eating salmon and the

554
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: salmon was making them sick? Yea. So they come to

555
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: a pierced village with old Toby I believe it, at

556
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: the lead, and um, they're celebrated, welcome, they throw a

557
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: feast for him, and it makes everybody violently ill in

558
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: the expedition, like this salmon is awful, yeah, or these

559
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: roots or whatever. I'll bet it was the roots that

560
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: got them. Yeah, I think it was. Um. So every

561
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: apparently everyone recovered. Um. But they say, okay, well here's

562
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: the Columbia River. We can't really use these horses anymore.

563
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that's very much overlooked

564
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: in the history of this expedition is just how much

565
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: the core discovery relied on friendly tribes. So like when

566
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: they hit the Columbia River, they said, hey, Shoshone or

567
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: no Nez Pierce friends, will you watch our horses for us?

568
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: And then as Pierce said, yes, yeah, you guys go

569
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: to the Pacific Ocean. When you come back, we'll have

570
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: your horses. Go ahead and brand them so you know

571
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: which ones are yours, and they did. They left their

572
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: horses with the Nez Pierce. Yeah, I mean it was.

573
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: It was kind of the best case scenario story for

574
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: most of the trip. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Uh. And

575
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: that is actually too where they were where they traded

576
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: for dog to eat, which was one of the only

577
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: disappointing parts of the story for me. Um that and

578
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: what happened New York. All Right, So at this point,

579
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: it's uh, mid October, and it floated down to the

580
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: Great Falls of the Columbia which is now Solilo Falls.

581
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: And think about how much easier it was at this point,

582
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: Like they're not going upstream any longer. They get with

583
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: the current true, but it was the Oregon territory, so

584
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: they were getting rained on constantly. I mean it was

585
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: pretty brutal conditions. Um, but you're right. It wasn't like

586
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: slugging through in the summertime, pulling that boat up stream,

587
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: stepping on prickly pear exactly. Uh. So this is where

588
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 1: on November seven, they thought that they saw the ocean. Uh,

589
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: it's actually a bay about twenty five miles inland, and

590
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: said ocean in view O c I N I love

591
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: the ocean O T E A N. In this the

592
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: same paragraph they misspelled ocean two different ways. Give him

593
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: a break, come on. Uh. Finally, finally, finally, by mid November,

594
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: they strode upon the sands of the Pacific. And this

595
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: is the really sad part is that Merryweather called it

596
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: tempestuous and horrible. Like he wasn't like, oh we made it.

597
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: He was he was depressed, and he was like, this

598
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: isn't like the Atlantic Ocean. This is rocky and beating

599
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: us with waves, like the Oregon coast is rough. Uh.

600
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: And he didn't cotton to it, um. But what he

601
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: did cotton to was being an accurate dude by dead

602
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: reckoning over the course of over. He was only off

603
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: by forty miles in charting this this ride. That is

604
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. He's pretty remarkable, so U Sokawa Um. One

605
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: of the reasons she signed on, aside from being a

606
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: slave to her husband who signed her on UM, was

607
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: that she wanted to see the Pacific. She'd heard about

608
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: the Great Waters and yeah, and so when they were

609
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: getting closer um, she petitioned Lewis and Clark saying like,

610
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: there's no way you can't let me not come with

611
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: you to see the Pacific Ocean itself. And they let

612
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: her come along. They had word from some local tribe,

613
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which one it was that there was

614
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: a monstrous fish on the beach, and Lewis and Clark like,

615
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: but they're talking about a whale. We should go get

616
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: some blubber and sea ways like, I'm there, I'm coming

617
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: with you. So they took her along and they all

618
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: got to go see the Pacific Ocean and it was

619
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: personal that first time. Yeah, they got a bunch of

620
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: blubber and oil and stuff from it, um, and it

621
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: died first, So you can keep liking Lewis and Clark um.

622
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: So uh. They camp there on the Pacific for a

623
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: full four months. Yeah. Basically they were trying to two things.

624
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: They were trying to decide what to do, and they

625
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: were technically they were waiting for a boat to come by,

626
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: to say, a letter of credit from Jefferson that said, hey,

627
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: if you're a boat, give these people a ride back

628
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: and we'll pay you like good money. Right. I read

629
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: that they never seriously thought that they were going to

630
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: take a boat back. Well, that was the deal is

631
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: technically they were supposed to be waiting for a boat.

632
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: What they were really doing was just sort of weighing

633
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: their options as to how best to go back and win.

634
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: And this is the really cool part. They put it

635
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: to a vote. They did put it to a vote. Um,

636
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: and then it was a vote that included an African

637
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: American and a woman and a Native American. Yeah, and

638
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: it was a whoaa and york both both their votes

639
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: were given equal weight to everybody else's. It was very cool.

640
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Where to camp set up camp for the winter. Yeah,

641
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: So they elected to cross the river to the south

642
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: Um where they were informed that there was elk and deer.

643
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: You can hold up here, you can hunt all winter,

644
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: And they did and prepare yourself with the return journey home.

645
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: All right, So here we are at Fort Clatsop, Oregon. Yeah,

646
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: named after the Clatsop tribe. They were hunting, They were

647
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: storing up, they were getting their provisions in order, getting

648
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: ready to go back, and they hauled butt on the

649
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: way back they did. Yeah, you know how it is

650
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: sure it Plus it doesn't take as long because now

651
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: you know how long it's gonna take. Yeah, And they

652
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: weren't stopping to record everything they did. Actually we've already

653
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: seen it. Yea been there. Um. But the group wasn't

654
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: as happy. Uh, they were irritable, especially Lewis. He kind

655
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: of fell into a depression on the way home. He

656
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: didn't Did he come out of it at all while

657
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: they were at the Pacific or did it just stick

658
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: the whole time? Well, I mean I think it was

659
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: up and down. Basically. They believe when he was not

660
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: recording in his journal he was depressed. Um, but he

661
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: is remarkable and that he soldiered on like this is

662
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: a manic depressive who was still like getting up every

663
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: day and doing this and like the worst thing he

664
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: did was not journal you know. Um. Actually the worst

665
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: thing he did was on the way back. He stole

666
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: a canoe at one point, which is really out of character,

667
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: and he was described as kind of like cracking at

668
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: the seams at this point, which is really sad. So

669
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: in March six, they started back up the Colombia with

670
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: these new canoes, bartered for some horses, and camped with

671
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: the Nez Pierce for a month, and then they got

672
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: their horses back from the Nez Pierce, those horses that

673
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: those were there before they got back there to the

674
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: next piers. They bartered for some horses and then eventually

675
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: hooked back with the next Pierson camp for like a

676
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: month and got their horses back and got their horses back.

677
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: I think that's your favorite part of this, Mordin's. They're like, hey, guys,

678
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: were you hanging onto this for They also sunk their

679
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: canoes at a certain point and then went back and

680
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: got those to keep keep the canoes from being sent

681
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: down river. They just sunk them and then they came

682
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: back and got them. It's pretty cool. So they basically

683
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: retraced their trail through the Bitter Roots um only one

684
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: retrograde march on the entire journey, which means you have

685
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: to double back basically, which is in itself pretty remarkable. Uh.

686
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: And then on July six they separated, Um back where

687
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: they were at that original shortcut that they should have taken,

688
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: and said, hey, let's send off some different factions here

689
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: and do a little bit more exploring and a little

690
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: bit more recording of things. They're like, we we've slacked off. Well, yeah,

691
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: because they were kind of, like I said, they were

692
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: holl and butt on the way home. Um, this is

693
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: where Louis where they ran into their first kind of

694
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: violent episode with the black Feet Indians, and Um, a

695
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: dude shot at Louis. He shot back, hit the guy

696
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: in the belly. Another guy stabbed the black Feet Indian

697
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: or is it a Blackfoot Indian? I think? Okay? And

698
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: Um they rode away like the black Feet did, but

699
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: two of them died, and it was you know, it

700
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: was sad they had gone all that way without violence

701
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: and they finally kind of had to their hand was forced, essentially. Chuck. Also, Um,

702
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: there was another shooting that took place during this period,

703
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: but this one was accidental. Um. Louis was actually shot

704
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: when he was mistaken for an elk while he was

705
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: out hunting with a member of the expedition Pierre Cruzette

706
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: and uh cruzat Um didn't fess up to it immediately.

707
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, I guess from Indians. It must

708
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: have been those black feet and uh Finally, when they

709
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: searched the area and found no sign of black feet,

710
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: cruise I was like, I'm sorry, I thought you're an elk.

711
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm blind in one eye, don't forget. Yeah, but I'm

712
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: the fiddle player and everybody loves me. And Louis was like,

713
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: we'll just let it go and apparently was really in

714
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: a lot of pain. It hit him in the try

715
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: and like he had a very long and difficult recovery

716
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: for the rest of the time. But it was about

717
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: this time when everybody came back together. Yeah, and this,

718
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're sort of simplifying this part of the story.

719
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: But they eventually did all meet back up um pretty remarkably.

720
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: Like I think the story is one of them around

721
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: it a band, and right as they did that, the

722
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: others were rounding the band and they're like, oh, hey,

723
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: it's you. Like it's you out here in the middle

724
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Uh. So they eventually went back to the

725
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: Mandan villages that is where the Charbonneau family, UM left

726
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: the expedition um and that is where a private John Coulter,

727
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: who was one of the men, said, you know what St.

728
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: Louis like, I didn't like it there. I really like

729
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: it out here. Can I can I go back? And

730
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: they're like, sure, man, go go west, young man exactly,

731
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: and he did so he did. He he was going

732
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: to um work with some French trappers and they had

733
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: a following out pretty quickly after. And then this guy Coulter, Yeah,

734
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: he went off on his own. And they think he

735
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: was the first white person to enter what's now Yellowstone Park,

736
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: and he was. He was the first to recount the

737
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: geysers and even um still there's part of it called

738
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: Coulter's Hell. Oh cool, the guys are area of Yellowstone

739
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: very cool. Uh So reportedly, the only thing they did

740
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: not run out of on the way home was powder, lead, paper,

741
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: and ink, or at least that's what Kiinnburn says. You

742
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: know how they put a little cherry on top of everything, right. Uh. Finally,

743
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: in September of eighteen o six, on the twenty three,

744
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: they arrived victorious in St. Louis and the river was

745
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: lined with people cheering for them shooting their guns in

746
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: the air, and like we should point out everyone thought

747
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: they were dead. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean for a

748
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: long time, like they were sending messages back in Prairie dogs.

749
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: But then at a certain point that just wasn't possible.

750
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: So even Jefferson had given up hope. They've been like

751
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: they've been gone for two and a half years, like

752
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: we're not going to hear from Lewis and Clark again.

753
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: And then they did, and then they did. And UM

754
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: covered about eight thousand miles over two years, four months

755
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: and nine days, discovered I'm sorry not discovered, recorded hundred

756
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: and twenty two animals that they had never seen, hundred

757
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: and seventy eight plants that they had never seen, and

758
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: did a pretty darn good job of cartographing. Cartographing is

759
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: that even a word? Ye drawn maps? UM describing the

760
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Rocky mountains and Jeffery was like, rocky mountains, I have mountains, Now,

761
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: what are those? And they were like they're snow capped

762
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: even in the summer, and they were, you know, they

763
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: had never seen any of this. They were blown away.

764
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: So um after this, uh, Clark sets up shop in St. Louis. Yeah,

765
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: they doubled everyone's pay, which was nice, and gave everyone

766
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of land. Right, you got I think three

767
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: d and twenty acres and some Clark got six d each.

768
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: But the rest of the guy's got like almost the

769
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: rest two people did not get any land or any money,

770
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: and that was Skagwaya and York. Yeah, um, which sucks.

771
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: He had. Apparently York had a difficult reentry into slavery,

772
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: I can imagine. So could you think about like living

773
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: like that and then going back to being a slave. Yeah,

774
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: And so he asked um Clark for his freedom. He

775
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 1: was like, I know I don't get land all the stuff,

776
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: but how about my freedom? And Clark was like no,

777
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: And not only that, he wrote his brother a letter

778
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: and said, you know, York is being kind of uppity

779
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: since he got back. He's not he's not being a

780
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: good slave of and he's having trouble and uh so

781
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: I had to beat him. No, Yeah, that was that

782
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: was the one time I was like, oh man, yeah,

783
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: that's pretty awful. It was like really headed in the

784
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: good direction. And all that had to happen was he

785
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: could have just said, yes, you are free, and then

786
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: it would have been the best story ever. Man. That's

787
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: that's really awful. I had no idea about that. Yeah,

788
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: and then there were there are various accounts that he

789
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: might have been freed a few years later or perhaps escaped.

790
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: No one is quite for sure, even though I've noticed

791
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: kin Burns does a lot of factual stating of things

792
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: that are disputed. Like he just said straight up that

793
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: he was freed five years later, and I read up

794
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: on it, and people like maybe not. Ken Burns just

795
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: does whatever his haircut tells him. I'm a sucker for

796
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: those things, though. I mean, I know a lot of

797
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: documentary filmmakers kind of poopoo him. Yeah. Well, I mean

798
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: it takes a certain interpretation, and that's that exactly Like

799
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: you said, Wait, hold on, I'm really disappointed in Clark.

800
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: I know that stinks. What do you want me to do?

801
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess to talk about Lewis. Yeah,

802
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Clark went on, we should say to have

803
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: like a very successful rest of his career. Well, hold on,

804
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: you want to go bright side? Bill Clinton in two

805
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: thousand one gave a posthumous um rank a sergeant in

806
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: the army to York. Oh great, So that's kind of

807
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: nice and um way to go. Clinton. Today, there are

808
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: some statues commemorating York. One in Louisville, Kentucky. I think

809
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: there's one at Lewis and Clark College in Portland. In

810
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: Kansas City, there's one. So he's he's definitely been smiled

811
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: upon historically as like a great man and adventurer by

812
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: everyone but William Clark. Yeah, and his family, who was

813
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 1: like no. So Louis had some difficulties upon returning home.

814
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: He's made governor appointed governor of the Upper Louisiana Territory

815
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: and thinks started out well, but then he kind of

816
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: got into financial trouble. I think his territory got into

817
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: financial trouble, right, and he wasn't going to Washington. He

818
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: wasn't able to complete. The big thing was that he

819
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: wasn't able to complete what he was supposed to do,

820
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: which has come back and write about the whole thing. Yeah.

821
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: Those weren't published until eighteen fourteen, which is eight years

822
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: after they returned, and even then they were published after

823
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: his death. Yeah, so he was. He was, by all accounts,

824
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: pretty depressed. He was on his way to Washington, supposedly

825
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: to to plead for more money. For the territory. Yeah,

826
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: to kind of he had been called out on some

827
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: finances and he wanted to go clear that up. And

828
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: supposedly he had some some of his journals that he

829
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: wanted to turn in. Gotcha, It's like here, I've got

830
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: this right. And he fell out of favor a little

831
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: bit with Jefferson because of all that, which is you know,

832
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of stinks. It is because he was groomed by Jefferson.

833
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: There was a family friend, like they were friends. So, um, Lewis,

834
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: I guess he's on his way to Washington. He's following

835
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: the Natchez Trail, Natchez trace, and he stops in Tennessee

836
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: at a place called the Grinders in Yeah, near Nashville,

837
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: and that's where he died. He was he was found

838
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: well apparently crawling toward the innkeeper's wife, shot bleeding, asking

839
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: for water, and she just like screamed and ran away. Yeah,

840
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: and this is another disputed thing. Was he killed or

841
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: did he commit suicide? Uh, if you google death of

842
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: Meriwether Lewis, that comes up suicide, but it is definitely

843
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: in dispute. Yeah, and Ken Burns straight up said he

844
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: killed himself, and it was very sad Well, the reason

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Speaker 1: why it's in dispute because he was shot in the

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Speaker 1: abdomen and in the head. It's also an expert marksman. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the suicide people I think reckon that back then

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Speaker 1: with guns, Like if you really wanted to do it,

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Speaker 1: you would point one at your chest and one at

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Speaker 1: your head and squeeze at the same time. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 1: I hadn't ye, um, but I mean I said he

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Speaker 1: was murdered for money, and what were you gonna say? Nothing? Okay? Uh. Sadly,

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Speaker 1: even though this story had a happy ending, it was

854
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Speaker 1: sort of the beginning of the end of the American

855
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Speaker 1: Indian Um. It's a pretty big thing to point out. Yeah,

856
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 1: there was a great quote from one of the people

857
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Speaker 1: in the documentary. It said they left his students, came

858
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Speaker 1: back as teachers, and sadly America failed to learn the

859
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Speaker 1: lessons that they had brought back with them, because if

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Speaker 1: everything had gone the way of Lewis and Clark, it

861
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: would have been awesome. They were basically like, hey, got

862
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Speaker 1: the great Father, Like we said, we're gonna live in harmony,

863
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: and they believed him and they believed themselves. You know,

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00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: they weren't like pulling one over on him. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: it's just sad that it went down a different way

866
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Speaker 1: from that point forward. Basically, you know what I'm saying.

867
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Speaker 1: There was one brief moment when it could have gone

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Speaker 1: in a different way. Yeah, and that was it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But Clark and Lewis also, I guess, kind of paved

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Speaker 1: the way for the idea of manifest destiny, although that

871
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: wasn't coined until about forty years after the expedition. They

872
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: are always held up as this idea, and this is

873
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: an idea that people subscribe to for a very long time,

874
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Speaker 1: that America was destined to take up the area between

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Speaker 1: the Pacific and the Atlantic. It was our destiny, and

876
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: therefore anything that stood in our way should just fall

877
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Speaker 1: before us as we swept outward towards the Pacific Ocean.

878
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: That in justifies the means, and Lewis and Clark was like, look,

879
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Speaker 1: they're they're an example of that. Yeah. Clark eventually died

880
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Speaker 1: of natural causes in eight most of the rest of

881
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: the party sort of just faded into history. Um Jean Baptiste,

882
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Speaker 1: while yeah, he didn't. He became like, Okay, the court

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Speaker 1: is not a courtisan that'd be a lady a quartier, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was princes and German Prince with German Prince Prince Wilhelm.

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Speaker 1: Okay um and uh, I think the oldest survivor lived

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Speaker 1: to be nine, lived all the way to the Civil War,

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Speaker 1: and at the age of ninety volunteered to fight for

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Speaker 1: the Union. And I don't know if they took him

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Speaker 1: up on it or they're just like, we get it,

890
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Speaker 1: your legend, but we got this. Who knows. So that's

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Speaker 1: the Lewis and Clark expedition, the core of discoveries. The

892
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: dog lived, the baby lived. Yeah, the dog made it

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Speaker 1: all the way. They only lost one person on the

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Speaker 1: entire trip, Charles Floyd, and he died early on of

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Speaker 1: what they believe was probably appendicitist first Appendix. And uh,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing. Yeah, they didn't have to eat each other. No,

897
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Speaker 1: they didn't even eat the guy who died of the

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Speaker 1: first appendix. No, just dog and horse. Uh. If you

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Speaker 1: you got anything else, No, If you want to learn

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Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail, I'm going to call

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Speaker 1: this diplomatic community. Hey, guys. Last week, the Dutch police

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Speaker 1: arrested the Russian diplomat Dmitri Borrowdn in his home. They

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Speaker 1: were called in by concerned neighbors because the diplomat was drunk,

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Speaker 1: hitting his kids, dragging them by their hair through the house.

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Speaker 1: The police arrived as and was witnessed to the brutality

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Speaker 1: against the children and also established that Mr Borden was

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Speaker 1: extremely drunk. They had no choice but to arrest him

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Speaker 1: you ask me, this is from Jasper, demanded his release

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Speaker 1: and apologies from the Netherlands. UH. That same afternoon, I

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Speaker 1: started listening to the latest stuff you should know Lo

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Speaker 1: drouwe to a close. I received a news update on

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Speaker 1: Russians for the arrest because it violated the Treaty of Vienna.

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Speaker 1: Immunity one out again UH. Since then, UNA SEF has

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Speaker 1: issued a statement that the well being of the children

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Speaker 1: should be more important than diplomatic community. Maybe something will

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Speaker 1: finally change, Probably not personally. I hope we declare Borden

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Speaker 1: persona non grata, but that seems unlikely anyway. Wanted to

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Speaker 1: share this actuality of your podcast with you. It's pretty

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Speaker 1: wasn't about floods or earthquakes. That is from Jasper in Amsterdam,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite cities. Nice. Thanks a lot, Jasper.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting. I love it when things happen like sympatico,

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