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Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe, outstanding. Hey, we appreciate everyone being with

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Speaker 1: on this team, Cowboys linebacker Joe Thomas, I said this

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Speaker 1: We very much appreciate. How are you feeling, all right? Yes,

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Speaker 1: interested in your thoughts about how this first almost half

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Speaker 1: a whole revamp of the Dallas Cowboys and not having them,

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Speaker 1: not having the OTAs that many camps in all season,

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Speaker 1: I mean, from afore I would I would look at it.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think we've even come close to that yet.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Brad Shammon, Danny Siak on the Cowboys Hour,

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Speaker 1: to go to college because he's never been to college. Well,

427
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: if you read, if you read up on the story,

428
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: he was he was a good high school back um,

429
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: but he had hearing problems problems when he was younger.

430
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: So I mean he didn't feel confident his ability to

431
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: you know, for his education because he had hearing problems

432
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: and all that. So he just became an entrepreneur and

433
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: later in life he just said No, it was out

434
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: there maybe two thousand and eight. Once the economy, economy

435
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of bottomed, bottomed down a little bit, you know,

436
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: he was able to go to school, and um, well

437
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't then he went to school, but that kind

438
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: of like wiped out his businesses he had, so he

439
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: wanted to go back to school, and well he just

440
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: went to school. So I guess he got bored in

441
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: school just doing work. So he decided I might as

442
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: well just walk onto the football team like my son. Now,

443
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: and how old was he when he made that decision?

444
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: When he made that decision, I think he was fifty

445
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: three two before that. So did you tell me about

446
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: that conversation? How did you find out? Did he come

447
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: in and say, hey, just so you know, I'm gonna

448
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: go go out for the football team now, Yet he

449
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: actually asked for my permission, for your permission, Yeah, talk

450
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: to us, Please ask for my permission. Because at the

451
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: time when he was fifty three, Um, I was still

452
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: in school at South Carolina State, So he just asked

453
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: for my permission. Man, would you be okay with me

454
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: coming out? You know what I'm saying, playing on the team,

455
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, Um, and I wasn't gonna turn him down.

456
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: That's that's your dream. So I was like, man, go

457
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: for it, Like I never turned you down for something

458
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: you want to do. What great respect he showed you

459
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: now I'm speaking as the father of a son. What

460
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: tremendous respect he showed you to ask you if that

461
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: would be okay since you're playing there right now. So

462
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: he was he was even still then, putting you first

463
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: before him. Yeah, I mean, I mean that's why I

464
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: am who I am today, honestly. Um, So I'm like, it,

465
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: mayn't go for it, And I mean some things didn't

466
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: work out those two years. They wouldn't allow him to play.

467
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: He had to go through like the clearinghouse and all that.

468
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: And the year as I graduated, he was out there.

469
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: You know, I got a lot still sending me video.

470
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: I got a lot of videos and him out there

471
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: just going through Oklahoma drills and no way yet fifty three.

472
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Did you help him prepare to get ready physically, like

473
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: to train, No, I didn't. He did that himself. He's

474
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: he was a professional bodybuilder back in the day. So

475
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: he never never took a drink of anything like that,

476
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: so his body was always pretty much in top tier shape,

477
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: so it was nothing really too hard for him. Well,

478
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna now tell you something that you

479
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: don't know yet because you're nowhere near three and I

480
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: can barely remember it. But I don't care what kind

481
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: of shape your body was in when you If you're

482
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: going to go out and play football against young men

483
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: in they're late teens and early twenties and you're in

484
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: your fifties, that's a whole different kettle of fish right now. Man.

485
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tremendous respect man for even going

486
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: out there and having your mind to your mind set

487
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: to go out and do that kind of a bummer.

488
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: You had already graduated, that would have been pretty cool.

489
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: It would have been dope. And I would have hit

490
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: him in practice, for sure. You would have. Yes, did you?

491
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: Did the two of you talk about them? But yeah, hey, hey,

492
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: old man, you you lucky I'm out there anymore? Exactly. Yes, Yes,

493
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: I let them know because I'm my nickname and college

494
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: was hit man. So like, if you come through, I'm

495
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: gonna knock you out, Like I don't care if you

496
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: my pops or not, because it's been years of you.

497
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying behind and then back, Hey,

498
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't care who you think you're gonna take out.

499
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna see who's taken out. Who. Oh yeah, that's

500
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: that's who he is. That's who it is. That's fantastic.

501
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wow, well I think that's pretty cool. Now,

502
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: speaking of the family tree, I don't know if it's

503
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: quite that impressive, but Troy Brown's your cousin. Oh yes, sir,

504
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: how much um help in understanding what the life of

505
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: professional football was about? Was he to you? Um? I

506
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: didn't really see a lot of Troy Um, and I

507
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: didn't find out we was cousins until uh probably seven

508
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: years ago, so not absolutely, but I did watch him

509
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: a lot and uh true professional and uh I did

510
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: pick up a lot of things from him. So I

511
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: mean now we were staying communication a lot, and he's

512
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: coaching in uh New England now, so we still communicate

513
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: a lot. When you talk about an athletic family, I mean,

514
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: you really need athletic from top to bottom. Yeah. So, Joe,

515
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: you said that your dad Um was the reason that

516
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: you are who you are. Clearly we're talking about it.

517
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: We're talking about a tough man your father. Yes, but

518
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: would you mind sharing a little bit more about in

519
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: what other ways that maybe don't have anything to do

520
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: with football, how he helped develop you into the person

521
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: that you are, have the values that you do. Yes,

522
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: I mean starting starting with discipline. It was a very

523
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: disciplined father father. So like I mean, anything I did wrong,

524
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: I was, you know, the belt was coming up and

525
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, and all that education. He made sure you know,

526
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: I did my did my work, put that first. Um,

527
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: as far as I think, the most important thing was

528
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: just hard work. Just seeing him get up every morning,

529
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: go to work and just provide for his family. Um.

530
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Just the work ethic. I think that's that's part of

531
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: the main thing as well. The work ethic. I mean,

532
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be You're not gonna be successful until

533
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: you put in the work to you know what I'm saying.

534
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: That's that's one of the main values I picked up

535
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: for him. Siblings Joe, Yes, Um, I have a younger

536
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: brother and a younger sister. Ut interesting story about my brother.

537
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: I always like to tell a story because it's it's

538
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: just crazy to me. He was he was born five

539
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: months earlier, so he when they tell a story, he

540
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: can fit in upon me. In my hand like this,

541
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so he wasn't supposed

542
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: to live. So when he was in the hospital, my

543
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: great grandfather was in the hospital and like my great

544
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: great grandfather was sick, he was he was dying passing away.

545
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: So it was it was in the same hospital. So

546
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: when my great grandfather was passing away, like my brother

547
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: was like gaining strung and he ended up overcoming all

548
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: all the elements he had. And he he's a vibe,

549
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I just feel like

550
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: that it was like some spiritual you know, absolutely, you know,

551
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I always like telling

552
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: that story. Yeah, that's a great that's a great story. Um.

553
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: And and is he are either of your siblings athletes? Uh? No, No,

554
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: my brothers he's into construction and all that. Man, but

555
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: he's bigger than me now, so it's crazy he's he's

556
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: in the construction. My sisters she's uh, she's an accountant.

557
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: So and speaking of accounting, I mean, you got your

558
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: business degree at South Carolina State, right, and have you

559
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: done anything with it or are you planning on doing

560
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: anything with it? Because you know, it's amazing We watch

561
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: you guys play. I feel like I've been watching you

562
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: play ten years. You're six years, seven years in the league,

563
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: but you're just thirty. I'm twenty nine. Don't rescuse me,

564
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: excuse me. I did the math poorly. That's why I

565
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: had the statistic. Who takes care of all of that

566
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: for me? You're not even thirty. I don't rest it. No, no, no,

567
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: no no. I apologize my bad. That's totally about bad.

568
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: And believe me, I understand how you feel. Yeah, yeah,

569
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: I mean, uh yeah, I probably uh. I mean, when

570
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: I was young, I always wanted to have my own

571
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: like sports appair of company or something like that. That

572
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: was something weird. I always wanted to do. That's why

573
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: I went to school for business. Um, but now I

574
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: probably just do get into real estate and stay in

575
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: that lane. Is that something you think about yet or

576
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: you just wait until that time comes downe playing? Um?

577
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: I think about it a little bit, especially this this

578
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: all season because you had so much time, you know,

579
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: with the COVID thing. So I I started my I

580
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of started the blueprint for it. So so once

581
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: I'm done playing, this already pretty much where I needed

582
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: to be and I can just move forward with it.

583
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: But your your body's not telling on you that it's

584
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: anywhere near time to be thinking about that full time,

585
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: is it? Oh no, sir, No, sir, not at all.

586
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Because I mean watching you, especially when Layton was out,

587
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: and watching you fly around, I mean that's that's as

588
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: well as I think you have played. And maybe it's

589
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: because you've just had like what I was saying, we

590
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: were saying before, you just had the chance, yeah, to

591
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: be on the field more. Yeah, that's a lot of

592
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: was that validation is that when you look at the

593
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: tape and you see player you can't fool players. Players

594
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: know what they're looking at. Do you look at that

595
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, okay, that's I've been right about myself

596
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: all the time. Well, yeah, for sure. I mean even

597
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: back in Green Bay, it was pretty much the same

598
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: role I was. I would come in third down sometimes

599
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: or even when uh Blake Martinez Jake Ryan got hurt,

600
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: I would come in and start, and I was I

601
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: would come in perform at a high level. I feel

602
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: like so um. I always felt like I was a

603
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: good player, good enough player to start in the NFL.

604
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: UM I just never had had enough tape for teams

605
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: to really say, you know, this guy can start, you know,

606
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: a full season. So I mean, when I get the opportunity,

607
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: I just try to go out and show teams that hey,

608
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: I can do this. And so I guess, you know,

609
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: a little validation now that running back background. Obviously this

610
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: staff is not afraid to be versatile with the way

611
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: they use players and uh and I understand why they

612
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: would be attracted to Antoine Woods as a fullback in

613
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: short yardage and goal line. But do they know that

614
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: you played running back? I'm going I'm gonna guess you

615
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: had pretty good hands. Oh yeah, yes, sir, for sure.

616
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy always teases you. Don't think he's never serious

617
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: about it. I remember in Green Bay he was. He

618
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: came into the meeting one time. It was like, oh,

619
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: I dropped a pick of something like that in the

620
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: in that Monday he came in. It was like, I

621
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: thought you had hands. I was just about to movie

622
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: the offense, you know what I'm saying. And then this

623
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: year he was like, you know, I was I was

624
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: doing a scout team running back and he was just saying,

625
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: I look good back there, you know, just teasing me

626
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: to like, hey, man, Hey, I can do it. No,

627
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: just just give me the good I mean, I was

628
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: gonna say, do you do you say, don't tease me.

629
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: Now put me in that goal line package. You'll see

630
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: what you got. Then then did you say that ever? Nah?

631
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: I shouldn't. Yes, you should. And I don't like the

632
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: word should because I find it very judgmental. But I'm

633
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: going to. Uh my therapist would say, I will support

634
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: you in going and telling Kellen and Mike that, you know,

635
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: don't forget to put number forty eight in on the

636
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: goal line because I will lower my pads. Hey, there

637
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: you go, There you go, and then you know, a

638
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: little play action. I'm out in the flat. You can

639
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: throw me the ball. You know that's six points. Just

640
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: food for thought. Joe, Okay, We're gonna take one more

641
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Speaker 1: break and be back with a boar with Cowboys linebacker

642
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas in just a moment, and they're like Cowboys

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652
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: and Danny Surrekin are very special guest Cowboys linebacker Joe Thomas.

653
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: Now you guys have had your meetings. Tomorrow's your day off.

654
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: What what will you do tonight? I don't want to

655
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: get too personal, but what do you do with idle

656
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: time tonight and tomorrow? It's a night in the Tomorrow, well,

657
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: it's a night I probably spend my time in a

658
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: hot tub, you know, trying to get my body back

659
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: right for Wednesday with things pop back off, Um tomorrow.

660
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: I just recently moved into another place, so I'm still

661
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: such a front of you know, still got a little

662
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: life outside of here. Yeah, you know, thank goodness. Right, Yeah, so,

663
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: and uh, Danny's very big with Ikea. By the way,

664
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: she can she can help you out with Yeah, I

665
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: just got a new mattress. Do you want a hide

666
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: for decorating your house? Or someone helping you. Now, somebody's

667
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: definitely happy. Find that so hard. Hard to look at

668
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: an empty room and an invision of what it's going

669
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: to look like. It feels up to me. I have

670
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: a reclotter and eight television sitting on a cardboard box,

671
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: and I'll be cool. You know that's all takes. So

672
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: you're saying it's not up to you. Yeah, okay, I

673
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: think I think a lot of us understand that. Joe

674
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: um and so um. The thing that you said about

675
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: being in the hot tub and getting your body right,

676
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me talking to guys at various stages

677
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: in their career, like when your first couple of years,

678
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: were you ready to pop back up by Wednesday? I was?

679
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, it was effortless. But now you gotta

680
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: roll out of bed and your ankles hurt, told your

681
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: fingers are all the small things hurting this. It's tough

682
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: and do it. Will there be a day in the

683
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: week before Saturday that your body will feel like normal?

684
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: Probably Saturday, Saturday, Yes, that's Friday when it's gonna feel normal.

685
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: Saturday and Friday after my masside every Friday I get

686
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: them aside. So how long you've been doing that um

687
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: probably five years deep tissue, deep tissue, Yes, sir, How

688
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: long did it take you? Maybe that was answering with

689
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: the massage, but into your career to kind of start

690
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: taking more steps to take care of your body. And

691
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: even if I feel better today, I need to continue

692
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: doing these things so that I can recover quickly. It

693
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: actually didn't say long because we might Karthi and the schedule,

694
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: he has a day designated for recovered. So in Green

695
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: Bay we implemented that every Friday, so we would have massiges.

696
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: You have to do cold contrast, you have to do

697
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: these different things to get your body back to um

698
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: to where you needed to be. So when I was

699
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: up there, I learned about that and I just carried

700
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: that over when I came to Dollars. We're guys surprised

701
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: when he brought that schedule in where Fridays a regeneration

702
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: day and Saturday is on the field instead of that's

703
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: a little different. Yeah, we're guys here surprised that. Did

704
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: anybody say to you, what the hell? Man? What is he?

705
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: What's he doing? Does this work? Yeah? I mean I

706
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: was telling about the state days when I first came

707
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: here because that was that was amazing. You know, you

708
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: get them assize they had to see food waiting for

709
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: you. You You know, it was it was amazing. But yeah,

710
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: they it took a while for guys to get used

711
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: to it here, especially practicing on Saturdays at a full

712
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: speed tempo. Do you prefer that kind of have that

713
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: extra day on Friday to recover? Yes? So so you know,

714
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: this is so interesting to me. When I first heard

715
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: that he did that, I thought, Wait, the game's on Sunday.

716
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: How is practicing at a full tempo? Now that's not

717
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: in pads on Saturday? Yeah, but it's full tempo? And um,

718
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: and then we you know, we all saw those of

719
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: us who saw Coach Garrett's practices for a long time

720
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: came to understand you can you can get in a

721
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 1: pretty good workout going at a high pace in practice.

722
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of folks maybe you can

723
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: help understand this. How does that help you feel fresher

724
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: on Sunday when you've gone at that pace on Saturday? Um,

725
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: I believe it. It's called the launch, so you're launching

726
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: into the Sunday. So it's not full speed, but it's

727
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: hot tempo. So you want to get. So they have

728
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: levels too. It so like DBS, you have to at

729
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: least get three snap. So of you going seventeen miles

730
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: power and linebackers you are big skill guys sixteen, the

731
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: big guys old line d line fourteen. So you want

732
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: to at least get three three snaps at that end

733
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: on Saturday. And it's and it's to launch your our

734
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: prime your body into Sunday. So you're a lot like

735
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: your your nervous system, I guess will be prime for Sunday. So,

736
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think it works, you know. I mean

737
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know all the science, but that's pretty much.

738
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: Can you describe it like that? So someone someone out

739
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: there with like a speedometer and there were gps y gps,

740
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: so they track all that. Now now, um, who's the

741
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: fastest linebacker Joe Thomas? Is that what every other linebacker

742
00:51:54,040 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: would say? I don't really care what the lets you

743
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: can fence right now, Joe Thomas? Um, are you a

744
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: fan of other sports? Well, first of all, are you

745
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: a football fan? Yeah? I mean not every players in football. There.

746
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: I am constantly amazed at the number of players that

747
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: I talked to over the years who love to play

748
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: the game. Do not want to watch a game? I

749
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: mean I kind of fall into that a little bit

750
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Speaker 1: because I would prefer to watch a basketball Okay, now

751
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: we're getting somewhere, you know what I'm saying. But I'm

752
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: a football Fan's your basketball team? I never really had

753
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: a team. I was always, uh, you know, the star

754
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: guy like Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Then it went to

755
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: AI and then it went to Lebron. Now you must

756
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: have played some basketball at some point. Yeah, And what

757
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: were you bigger than everybody else? So you couldn't be

758
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: a point guard? Huh? I mean I could have been

759
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: a point guard, but I was a five. I was

760
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: a sinner. Yes, no, I know what the five is.

761
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to imagine that. Um. So

762
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't the tallest five, but I was explosive, so

763
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: I could get off the ground quick and you know,

764
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: get the rebounds, put them back dunk. So did you

765
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: have a nickname in basketball? I did not. I wasn't

766
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: that good enough to have a nickaack. And so tonight,

767
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: like tonight, when you're when you're out of the hot tub,

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Speaker 1: when you watch the Monday night game at all, you

769
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: watch the Bears and the Rams, or you could you

770
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: just not care less? No, I'm watching. I'm gonna watch

771
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, I'm gonna watch the game, but it's

772
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: not I won't have the same intensity as I would

773
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: watching maybe the Lakers play, okay or something like that.

774
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: All right, And did you were you glued to the

775
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: NBA Finals? I wasn't really glude this year. It was

776
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: it was just awkward because it's doing the football season,

777
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: so it was it just wasn't When you watch a

778
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: football game like you will tonight, do you watch it

779
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: still with the football player mind of kind of analyzing

780
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: at you know, the defenses or what the offense is doing.

781
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Or are you able to just kind of sit back

782
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: and watch. No, I'm on, I'm looking at the linebackers,

783
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: how they playing. Um, I'm basically watching film. I'm not

784
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: watching you know, I can't watch it from that point

785
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: of view anymore. I gotta see you know what a

786
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: three technique doing? What? You know what I'm saying? How?

787
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: How why did this play happen? Like I gotta understand

788
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: and baseball into that at all? Would you watch the

789
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: World Series tomorrow? No? No, I was never really in

790
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: a baseball. I wish I played baseball because they make

791
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: a lot of money and they play and they play

792
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: a lot longer, and they play a lot a lot

793
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: longer exactly. Um so um, when do you start watching

794
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles today? You started watching as a group or individually?

795
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm watching individually. Well, special teams. We watched a little

796
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: bit of the Eagles. We gotta jump start, but defensively

797
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: we were, you know, just going through the game and

798
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: making corrections. So today and special teams, you know, well,

799
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Speaker 1: John fossils an interesting guy. Yeah, and you had played

800
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: against his teams for your entire career. How how different

801
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: is he to play for? What's that like? I mean

802
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: he brings a lot of excitement. Him and a coach hat.

803
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: They bring a lot of excitement into the room. I

804
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: mean every day is something new. They always got a

805
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: different handshake of something they do. I guess they got

806
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: different days. Do Joe Friday's Saturday Jays you gotta wear

807
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: Jordan's and you know it's just Saturdays. You gotta wear

808
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: Jordan's Saturday Jay's Saturday Jay. I'm so sorry Saturday Jays. Yeah.

809
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: So it's always something different and it keeps you interested

810
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: in I mean you just coaches like that, you just

811
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: want to run through the wall for it, like you

812
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because they're trying to do things

813
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: to keep you interested in changing him. Yeah, And and

814
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: they listen to the players like I can go up

815
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: there right now and you know, give him an idea

816
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: and you know he'll he'll try to work with it,

817
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: like and you love that alot of trust. And did

818
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: everybody in the room have Jordan's to wear on Saturdays?

819
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean not everybody, but if you have, you you it.

820
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: Fossil wears him too. Yeah, h for sure. Every week

821
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: a different pair. Who's got the best pair that you've seen? Um,

822
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: probably da good for him? Yeah, all right, good for him. Hey, Joe,

823
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: thank you. I really appreciate it. I know that this

824
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: is a wearing season. We appreciate your optimism and looking

825
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: forward to unbelievable. We're at the halfway point of the season,

826
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: but there's a whole half season to go. Um, admire

827
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: the way you approach the game and go about your business.

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00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for your time. I appreciate so thank you. All right,

829
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, Joe. Yeah, absolutely, mascot. We're right

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Speaker 1: here now and we Thank you all for being with

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