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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Savannah Guthrie's mother missing Day five.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us in the last hours.

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Speaker 1: A presser from local law enforcement. This following literally a

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Speaker 1: heart breaking plea from Savannah, her sister Annie, and brother Cameron,

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Speaker 1: all three looking exhausted, bone weary. We'll play that back

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Speaker 1: for you in full in just a moment, but first

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Speaker 1: to the latest, I want you to hear what the

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Speaker 1: sheriff said in the last hours.

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Speaker 2: I'll go over it with you.

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Speaker 3: You can see it on the board there.

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Speaker 2: But at about five thirty two pm, these are approximate times.

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Speaker 2: Five thirty two pm, Nancy travels to her local family's

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Speaker 2: home for dinner and games with the family, just visiting.

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Speaker 2: At ninety eight pm, which is very consistent to what

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Speaker 2: we were told by the family, that Nancy was dropped

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Speaker 2: off at home, and we know that because we have

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Speaker 2: a garage door open at approximately I can't stress that

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Speaker 2: enough at approximately ninety eight pm at nine fifty pm,

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Speaker 2: that garage door closes because that time we assume that

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Speaker 2: Nancy's home and probably going to bed. Sunday morning, early

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Speaker 2: morning at one forty seven am. The door doorbell camera

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Speaker 2: disconnects at two twelve am. Software detects a person on

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Speaker 2: a camera, but there's no video available. They had no

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Speaker 2: subscription and therefore it would rewrite itself kind of. It

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Speaker 2: just kind of loops right and covers up. That's what

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Speaker 2: our analysis teams have told us. We're not done with that.

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Speaker 2: We'll do all we can. But that's what it says.

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Speaker 2: So detects a person on camera. Could that be an animal?

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Speaker 2: I imagine that's possible. We don't know that. We just

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Speaker 2: have no video. Well, we're not giving up on that.

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Speaker 2: To twenty eight, Nancy's pacemaker app shows that it was

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Speaker 2: a disconnect from the phone, and at eleven fifty six am,

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Speaker 2: the family checks on Nancy, discovers her missing, and at

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Speaker 2: twelve o three pm nine to one one is called

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Speaker 2: in to the pencutter Chef's department.

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Speaker 1: What are we learning? Nine forty eight the garage door opens,

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Speaker 1: nine it closes. Door cam disconnects one seven nine ten

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Speaker 1: eleven twelve one four hours later. Well, I don't see

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Speaker 1: how they can say this is a coincidence. This is

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Speaker 1: an animal. The door cam disconnects at one forty seven

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Speaker 1: two twelve. Software detects a person on camera and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have Fitzgibbons explain what he's saying about

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Speaker 1: looping and covering it up to twenty eight wow. Sixteen

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Speaker 1: minutes later, her pacemaker disconnects from the phone, which means simply,

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Speaker 1: it goes twenty thirty feet away from her iPhone which

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Speaker 1: was left there in the home. Doesn't mean it quit working.

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Speaker 1: It means it got away from the phone. The phone

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Speaker 1: can't trace it anymore. Eleven fifty six Family checks on

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Speaker 1: Nancy twelve oh three. It's on joining me tonight an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we are

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Speaker 1: learning now we just got that timeline so much as

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Speaker 1: being made of is one of the family a suspect?

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Speaker 1: And we heard the share of today's stay. We don't

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Speaker 1: have a suspect, we don't have a person of interest.

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Speaker 1: Yet everyone is under suspicion. That's what they always say.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is under suspicion. But what would it take Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall for family members to sit with her that evening,

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Speaker 1: be with her and pretend nothing was going to happen,

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Speaker 1: all the while plotting and planning her kidnap and faking it.

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Speaker 1: I just did you see Savannah Guthrie, sister Annie and

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Speaker 1: brother Cameron. They did not look like any of them

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Speaker 1: were faking it. I know Savannah, She's not faking it.

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Speaker 1: I get a deluge of people online suggesting she is

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Speaker 1: somehow part of this. That's just ridiculous. No, that did

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Speaker 1: not happen. But look at their demeanors, doctor Beth, and

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Speaker 1: let's just clear that up right now.

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Speaker 4: Nancy's children are not responsible for this. They are not.

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Speaker 4: I mean I look at their demeanor, their distraught, their concerned.

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Speaker 4: This is their mother. We don't have any history to

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Speaker 4: suggest that they had an antagonistic relationship with their mother.

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Speaker 4: They she was invited into the home on a Saturday

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Speaker 4: night to play games and hang out with the family.

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Speaker 4: This is a beloved mother and grandmother. Now what we

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Speaker 4: don't know, and I keep waiting for this, is we

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Speaker 4: don't know about caregivers, gardeners, people who are coming in

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Speaker 4: might know something about somebody who is pestering her, bothering

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Speaker 4: I'm really, really so curious about, and none of that

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Speaker 1: Far, Doctor Bethany, Again, I want to look at Savannah,

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Speaker 1: Annie and Cameron last night. Again, I am getting dailies

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Speaker 1: she's not saying anything. Well, clearly, they designated Savannah to speak,

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Speaker 1: that's what she does for a living. They're numb. I've

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Speaker 1: got to defend them, Doctor Bethany. There, nom they're exhausted.

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Speaker 1: That's why they're not lively and chattering in the background.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to use a clinical term. They're dissociated. We

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Speaker 4: dissociate when the reality is unbearable. This is unbearable. Their

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Speaker 4: dear mother is gone. There is blood on the front doorstep.

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Speaker 4: They can't even contemplate, Nancy, you've talked about your mother.

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Speaker 4: If something happened to her, you wouldn't. You would panic,

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Speaker 4: But then you would become numb too, because the possibilities

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Speaker 4: being if she's alive, if she's dead. They can't even

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Speaker 4: feel her. See, that's what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was looking very you said, I was

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Speaker 1: looking very carefully at that door photo, the photo of

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Speaker 1: the front door and the step way, the driveway walkway

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Speaker 1: where there's blood. If you look carefully to the right

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Speaker 1: of that double lock, there is a red smudge and

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Speaker 1: it's in close proximity to the blood on the ground

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Speaker 1: on the walkway. Is that Nancy's blood? Now we've been

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Speaker 1: told and correct me if I'm wrong, Dave mac that

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Speaker 1: there was no blood on the interior of the home

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Speaker 1: that they've been able to identify yet.

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Speaker 5: I would I would make sure you say yet. They

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Speaker 5: haven't said that it's been there yet, but they did

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Speaker 5: identify the blood right there at the entryway as being Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Well, if there's blood on the inside, then why haven't

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Speaker 1: they identified that either? And you know another thing joining

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Speaker 1: US guys Brian Fitzgibbons from USPA Nationwide Security for a living.

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Speaker 1: He leads a team of investigators that go worldwide finding

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Speaker 1: missing people. You can get blood DNA analysis back overnight

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Speaker 1: almost immediately. I don't know what they're talking about that

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Speaker 1: they're waiting on samples. Maybe they've gotten unidentified DNA and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that there's probably some touch DNA from

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Speaker 6: the inside that they're looking to analyze. And with now

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Speaker 6: the FBI announcing that they're jointly on this case, the

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Speaker 6: ability to process these things much faster is going to

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Speaker 6: come into play. So, you know, I think in the

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Speaker 6: coming days we're going to learn a lot more about the.

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Speaker 1: DNA crime stories with Nancy Grace. So the mom is

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Speaker 1: dropped off early in the evening, around nine four. That's

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Speaker 1: when the garage door has activity nine fifty. The garage

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Speaker 1: door closes with me. As I mentioned, an all star

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Speaker 1: panel Dave matt Crime Stori's investigative reporter on this case

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Speaker 1: from the very beginning, Brian Fitzgibbons, I just introduced you

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Speaker 1: to him USPA Nationwide Security and a renounced psychoanalyst, doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, joining us out of LA She's the author

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Speaker 1: of deal Breakers. You can see her starring on Peacock

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Speaker 1: Now and find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the timeline. Looking at the timeline one forty

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Speaker 1: seven a m. The doorbell disconnects one seven a m

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Speaker 1: the door cam doorbell cam disconnects two twelve AM software

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Speaker 1: detects a person on camera, but see the camera part

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Speaker 1: of that has been disconnected. So while the software is

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Speaker 1: picking up movement, the cam isn't seeing it. That's how

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Speaker 1: I understand it. But then Brian Fitzgibbons, he launches into

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Speaker 1: some discussion that it could have been an animal. My

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Speaker 1: question is why would the door cam disconnect. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look in the picture, there's just a silver circle where

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Speaker 1: the doorcam used to be. Right, it's that silver thing

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Speaker 1: right there. That's where the doorcam used to be. It

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Speaker 1: fit right there. It's gone. Now what is he trying

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Speaker 1: to say? What is he saying? Brian?

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Speaker 3: The animal? The animal comment was perplexing.

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Speaker 6: I believe what the sheriff is saying is that at

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Speaker 6: one seven that doorbell camera was removed from its base

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Speaker 6: so that there was some digital log in the camera

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Speaker 6: to that effect. And now at two twelve you have

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Speaker 6: to understand and nest camera has three modes home, away,

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Speaker 6: register seeing a person and that will log that data

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Speaker 6: in a log that it saw a person. But it

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Speaker 6: won't be recording well in home mode, so you know,

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Speaker 6: was the camera.

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Speaker 3: In home mode, it just made it log that event.

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Speaker 3: That's what it seems to be to me.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that these cameras are going to mistake

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Speaker 3: Most of the cameras nowadays will.

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Speaker 6: Accurately record, you know, if they see a dog or

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Speaker 3: It will record an animal over a person.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying, Ringmel, it's a nest. You're right, Brian.

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Speaker 1: Now tell me how that works again. And I want

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Speaker 1: to make what you say and what he said both

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Speaker 1: decipher it, and tell me what happened.

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Speaker 6: What it sounds like to me, Nancy, is that that

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Speaker 6: So I think what we can see, what we can

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Speaker 6: registers contact with a person.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.

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Speaker 2: The doorbell camera, it was removed, We know that, but

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Speaker 2: we're not confirming that any cameras were smashed or destroyed

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Dave mac speaking of cameras quote around

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Speaker 1: the house, is that you're understanding there were granny cams,

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Speaker 1: as I call the ones we have for my mom.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's nanny cams, I call them granny camp

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Speaker 1: Were there granny cams in Missus Guthrie's home.

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Speaker 5: That is what has been reported that there were granny cams,

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Speaker 5: as you say, in the home that were there and

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Speaker 5: covering certain areas of the home, so that if Missus

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Speaker 5: Guthrie were to fall down or become in capacitated, they

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Speaker 5: would be they being the family or whoever had access,

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Speaker 5: which were told a very small group of people had

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Speaker 5: access to the cameras and they could actually see what

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Speaker 5: was taking place inside the home while she was alone.

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Speaker 5: We've pointed this out. Eighty four years old, great mental health, physically,

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Speaker 5: she's got some issues walking around, so it makes sense

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Speaker 5: that they would have cameras inside the house. Interesting that

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Speaker 5: the sheriff wasn't asked a question about the cameras inside

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Speaker 5: the home. He volunteered that information, saying that they didn't,

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Speaker 5: you know, have smashed. His comment was, I don't know

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Speaker 5: where you're getting that information. Smashed cameras inside that home

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Speaker 5: would indicate somebody was in there that ay knew the

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Speaker 5: cameras were new where they were placed, and also knew

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Speaker 5: where they were angled to pick up movement of Missus

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Speaker 6: That's exactly what we learned from that statement from the sheriff,

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Speaker 1: Guys, we're also hearing more about ransom notes.

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Speaker 6: Brian, yes, so they could use a series of VPNs

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Speaker 3: In the world at unwinding that.

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Speaker 1: So it's more than just an email masking service like

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess The key point that I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: Bottom line though, if they find the origin of the email,

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Speaker 1: Can the FBI ultimately pierce that? And when they do

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Speaker 3: Brian?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in that example you just gave, that

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Speaker 3: Was that cell phone near Nancy Guthrie's house?

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Speaker 6: Now they can start to connect the dots further to

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm wondering about also pill counts, pill counts.

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Speaker 4: You know, Nancy, if you really want to get money

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the motivations for a kidnap. You want money,

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Speaker 4: right you. Maybe you're envious. Maybe you hate Savannah Guthrie

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Speaker 1: Just stop, stop, stop place place. I'm not writing a

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Speaker 1: No on all this business. Oh, it's because Savannah was

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Speaker 4: No. I think it's a little different, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I think if any connection to Savannah, it's this they

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Speaker 4: Mean, that's very simple, Nancy. That's the connective line. I

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace guys. Another issue that has

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Speaker 5: Did you glean that the pacemaker disconnecting from the phone.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so this this Celebrate you fed case that the

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Speaker 1: Okay, Brian, one more time and slowly, what does the

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Speaker 1: law enforcement looks is at those closest to the victim.

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Speaker 1: So of course they're looking at the family. So the

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Speaker 1: first thing you do is rule them out. Then you

435
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: move out to people that worked with Nancy Guthrie, people

436
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Speaker 1: that cut her grass, people that trimmed her trees, people

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Speaker 1: that delivered mail, FedEx guys ups, the people next door,

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Speaker 1: the people in the neighborhood, the people at the grocery store,

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Speaker 1: the people at the church, the granny nannies if there

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Speaker 1: are any, and the granny nanny sons and the granny

441
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: nanny husbands, and it goes out and out until you

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Speaker 1: catch the person. Now, this person, I'm telling you and

443
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: guys jump in is somebody local, because why would they

444
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Speaker 1: have sent the ransom notes to Kold and TMZ possibly

445
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: k gun k g u n because they're local. How

446
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: would they know where she lived out literally in the

447
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: middle of the desert and this desert enclave. How would

448
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: they know about the granny cams and the nest cam?

449
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: Were they watching to see when she was brought home?

450
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: When that garage door closed? All of this suggests someone

451
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: that knows her or the family fairly well or can

452
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Speaker 1: access that information. Also, yesterday we saw La come back

453
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: to the scene and go back and forth to the

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Speaker 1: garage with canines. Now we know part of the timeline

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Speaker 1: is the up and down of the garage door. Put

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Speaker 1: all this together, Brian Fitzgibbons, what do you think.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So with the up and down in the garage

458
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Speaker 6: door in the time line, you know, they're certainly going

459
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 6: to find out, you know, is that a normal minute

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Speaker 6: and a half two minute gap from when Nancy's in

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Speaker 6: and out of the house. If they have that data,

462
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 6: they're going to be able to get past data as

463
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Speaker 6: well to verify that nothing jumps off the page to me.

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Speaker 3: There, what I think is.

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Speaker 6: Really really a big question about this timeline is with

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Speaker 6: relation to the doorbell camera, there's a twenty five minute

467
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Speaker 6: gap from when that camera was disconnected to when that

468
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 6: person is registered. The software detects a person, right, What

469
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Speaker 6: happened within that twenty five minutes? And how was nothing

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Speaker 6: captured by these other cameras inside the house?

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Speaker 3: You know those are the main that's the big question.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Hey, do you see the two twelve am guys?

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Speaker 1: Software detects person on camera? Is that the doorcam or

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Speaker 1: is that the inside cam where Elson is detected on camera?

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Speaker 1: What about it, Dave matt Because we know she had

476
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Speaker 1: a spike and her pacemaker at two am exactly.

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Speaker 5: So we know there's something going on in that house,

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Speaker 5: regardless of what law enforcement is willing to say. At

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Speaker 5: this point, you mentioned that a person it appears on

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00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 5: camera or motion is detected of a person. It's not

481
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Speaker 5: a big leap to think we've got action taking place

482
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 5: in and around the home and Nancy Guthrie becoming intensely

483
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: aggravated moving somewhere that her pacemaker reacts to that. We've

484
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Speaker 5: got this very very tight window here of activity that

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Speaker 5: one can only look at the facts in front of

486
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Speaker 5: you and say, well, that's when she had to Something

487
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 5: happened to Nancy Guthrie in the time of twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. The door cam disconnects

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Speaker 1: one seven at two twelve, a person is detected on camera.

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Speaker 1: But wait a minute, at two am there is entry missing.

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Speaker 1: At two am we get a spike on her pacemaker.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean the door cam disconnects. They're in the

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Speaker 1: home at two am, waking her up, rousting her out

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Speaker 1: of bed or off the sofa. To twelve am to

495
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: software disconnect a person to software detect a person outside

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Speaker 1: or movement inside taking her out of her bedroom two

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Speaker 1: twenty eight, she's out of range. So what do you believe,

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Speaker 1: Dave mac That two am spike on her pacemaker indicates.

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Speaker 5: I believe that, tied together with the one forty seven

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Speaker 5: am indicator, that she was rousted out of bed, and

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Speaker 5: I believe it was probably very physical to get her

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Speaker 5: out of bed. You know, this is not a person

503
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 5: who moves around easily. Somebody inside the home is going

504
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 5: to want to get in and out of there quickly.

505
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: They're not going to be gentle, They're not going to

506
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 5: wake her up with some music. They're going to wake

507
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 5: her up to a point where she is going to

508
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 5: react in the state of shock, panic, and fear.

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Speaker 1: So that would make a sense.

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00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 5: That makes sense for me at two am having that

511
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 5: spike thirteen minutes after we get the indicator, and again

512
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: when you look at what else is coming up, it

513
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 5: just shows you that some kind of chaos is taking

514
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 5: place and she has reacted to it, and we know

515
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: that we have her blood going out of the home.

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00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 5: Between the time that we get that first indicator of

517
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Speaker 5: one forty seven, the two am spike and then two

518
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: twenty eight, fancy, it tells you a lot.

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Speaker 1: It was over so quickly, her being taken from the home.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the two a m spike

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Speaker 1: as it fits into the timeline, Doctor bethany.

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Speaker 4: Well, I agree with Dave mac I think that somebody

523
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: tried to get her out of bed, somebody who was

524
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 4: unfamiliar to her. So you have the inner circle, you

525
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: have adult children, you have maybe the church members, you

526
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 4: have people who know her intimately, and then you have

527
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 4: the next outer ring of people who know her intimates.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's the spouse of the gardener. Maybe it's the

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Speaker 4: a caregiver or a nurse who comes in and you know, gives, gives,

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00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: administers medication, and that she goes home and talks to

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Speaker 4: her adult children or something like that. You have an

532
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 4: out of circle, somebody who's she's not that familiar with,

533
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 4: who tries to get her out of bed, and that's

534
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: where you see that spike. So Nancy, I'm going to

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00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: go back to this idea that olderly people are their targets, right,

536
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 4: They're very vulnerable, and especially when there's wealth and she

537
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: has a beautiful home. I've seen that neighborhood. All these

538
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: lots are one to four acres. Anybody who goes through

539
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 4: that neighborhood knows that Nancy, that Nancy has money, right,

540
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: and so they're enticed by the stories of the people

541
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: in the inner circle, and they're thinking about how can

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00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 4: I utilize Nancy to get some financial gain. And so

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00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: when you got back to the spike, somebody's getting her

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00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: out of bed who maybe is tangentially related to her,

545
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 4: but is not a primary person in her life.

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Speaker 1: Guys are seeing a segment on the Today Show Savannah

547
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: and her Mom that was taken off YouTube. It was

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00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: an Arizona homecoming where Savannah went back home. There's a

549
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: lot of speculation that whoever plotted this saw this segment

550
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: and became aware of Nancy Guthrie, I don't necessarily believe

551
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: that because I believe the perp is local anyway, that

552
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: is from YouTube and to you gives where do you

553
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: what do you think the two AM spyte indicates.

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00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm in agreement with doctor Bethany and Dave that

555
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 6: you know what we're seeing is is likely the perpetrator

556
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 6: removed that was had already gained access to the residents

557
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 6: by one seven. And I think an important note here

558
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 6: that we haven't talked about to conduct an operation like

559
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 6: this to abduct someone, it's going to take two people,

560
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 6: right There's there's very likely not one person doing this

561
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 6: to pull her out of the house, put her in

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00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 6: a vehicle and drive her away, all right, So you know,

563
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 6: I think what you see on the timeline is, hey,

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Speaker 6: take the camera off.

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00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: Persons now in the house.

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Speaker 6: Two am is probably when they made first contact with Nancy,

567
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Speaker 6: and I believe that the data bears that out.

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00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: And in the middle of all this trying to financi

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00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: gather and bring her home alive and uster Ransomer emerges.

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00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: What happened?

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00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 5: Todave Matt had the first hint that there was a

572
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 5: ransom note when TMZ went live before they went to

573
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: police with the note. We have this ransom note appearing

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00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 5: at Kold and Kgun in Tucson, so it's public knowledge

575
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 5: that ransom notes have occurred. However, the FBI investigates another

576
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 5: ransom note that comes in now. This is one we

577
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 5: don't know much about. But what we do know is

578
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 5: that the FBI made an arrest today and it was

579
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 5: of a ransom hoax. It was not similar to the

580
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 5: other ransom notes that had been supported at this point.

581
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 5: Suspected it was a hoax, and they were able to

582
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Speaker 5: arrest that individual trying to take advantage of the worst

583
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Speaker 5: possible thing for a family to go through right now,

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Speaker 5: So he's already been arrest He or she has already

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00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 5: been arrested. Han't got a name or anything else, but

586
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 5: we'll find that out.

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, you have a concern.

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Speaker 5: I'm really concerned that the home was treated as a

589
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 5: I'm seen very early on they being law enforcement, did

590
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 5: all the work they wanted to do and release the

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00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 5: home back to the family. But then yesterday afternoon we

592
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 5: get word that they've got yellow tape up and they

593
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: have blocked everything thing off and law enforcement. They've got

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00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 5: FBI they've got guys in tacticle gear and canine units

595
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 5: are out at the site again and it's an explosion

596
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: of activity after the place the home has already been

597
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 5: released back to the family. That bothers me immensely because

598
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 5: I wonder what did they miss the first time and

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00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 5: why is it all of a sudden becoming a big

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Speaker 5: issue again.

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Speaker 1: Well obviously, and chime in, Fitzgibbons if you disagree. They

602
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: should never have released the crime saying the crime scene

603
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: should not be open now, it should be locked down.

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Speaker 1: Everybody and their sister can go over there and poke around.

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Speaker 1: Why has it been released? I think it's a horrible idea.

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00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: What about it? And that opens up clients from an

607
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: ultimate defense team that someone else came in and tampered

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Speaker 1: with the scene and planet evidence. That's where that goes.

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Speaker 6: Brian, I couldn't agree more that scene should have been

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00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 6: held and not released to the family, that that scene

611
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 6: should still be held, And Sheriff Chris Nato has said

612
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 6: as much today in the press conference that that was

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Speaker 6: a mistake.

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Speaker 3: What he tried to explain it away.

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Speaker 6: With is that the FBI joined the case and they

616
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Speaker 6: wanted to get a fresh look at the crime scene themselves,

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00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 6: which is certainly a natural thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, that was a mistake.

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Speaker 6: It's a Monday morning quarterback, as he said, but they

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Speaker 6: definitely should have held that scene.

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Speaker 1: Did you pick up on what Savannah was saying, Oh, guys,

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Speaker 1: that video was for our friends at twelve News. Did

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Speaker 1: you pick up on what Savannah was saying about AI

624
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: artificial images, artificial intelligence being used to create a photo

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Speaker 1: or video of Nancy Guthrie? Does that indicate to you

626
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Speaker 1: that the ransom notes had some sort of an image

627
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: on them, Brian, that.

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00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 6: Was the very first thought that came to my mind

629
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Speaker 6: when I heard that comment, is that there must have

630
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Speaker 6: been some kind of image or video included in that

631
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Speaker 6: ransom note. And what Savannah was expressing is, hey, we

632
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 6: need more. We need real proof of life, which in

633
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 6: today's day and age with AI and the ability for

634
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 6: deep fakes, is going to have to be closely coordinated

635
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Speaker 6: with the FBI to have some kind of two way

636
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 6: live video call, maybe on an encrypted channel that the

637
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 6: FBI creates.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Savannah's plea to the kidnapper.

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Speaker 8: On behalf of our family, we want to thank all

640
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 8: of you for the prayers for our beloved Mom Fancy.

641
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 8: We feel them, and we continue to believe that she

642
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 8: feels them too. Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal,

643
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 8: fiercely loving woman of goodness and light. She's funny, spunky,

644
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 8: and clever. She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd

645
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 8: around her and cover her with kisses. She loves fun

646
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 8: and adventure. She is a devoted friend. She is full

647
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 8: of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll.

648
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 9: See the light is missing from our lives.

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00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 10: Nancy is our mother. We are her children. She is

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Speaker 10: our beacon. She holds fast to joy in all of

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Speaker 10: life's circumstances.

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Speaker 3: She chooses joy.

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Speaker 9: Day after day, despite having already passed through great trials

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Speaker 9: of pain and grief. We are always going to be

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Speaker 9: merely human, just normal human people who need our mom.

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Speaker 10: Mama, Mama, if you're listening, we need you to come home.

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Speaker 3: We missed you.

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Speaker 8: Our mom is our heart and our home. She's eighty

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Speaker 8: four years old. Her health, her heart is fragile. She

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Speaker 8: lives in constant pain. She is without any medicine. She

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Speaker 8: needs it to survive, she needs it not to suffer.

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Speaker 8: We two have heard the reports about a ransom letter

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Speaker 8: in the media. As a family, we are doing everything

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Speaker 8: that we can. We are ready to talk. However, we

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Speaker 8: live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated.

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Speaker 8: We need to know without a doubt that she is

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Speaker 8: alive and that you have her. We want to hear

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Speaker 8: from you, and we are ready to listen. Please reach

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Speaker 8: out to us, Mommy, if you are hearing this, you

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Speaker 8: are a strong woman. You are God's precious daughter, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: We believe and know that even in this valley, he

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Speaker 8: is with you. Everyone is looking for you, Mommy, everywhere.

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Speaker 3: We will not rest, Your.

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Speaker 8: Children will not rest until we are together again. We

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Speaker 8: speak to you every moment, and we pray without ceasing,

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Speaker 8: and we rejoice in advance for the day that we

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Speaker 8: hold you in our arms again.

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Speaker 3: We love you, Mom, Love you, We love you.

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Speaker 1: Mom.

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Speaker 3: Stay strong, We love you.

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Speaker 8: We love you.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Nancy

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Speaker 1: Guthrie's disappearance, so please die all five to zero, three, five, one, four,

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Speaker 1: nine hundred. There is now a fifty thousand dollars reward

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Speaker 1: from the FBI that number toll free eight hundred two

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Speaker 1: two five five three two four. If you wish to

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Speaker 1: remain anonymous, please dial five two zero eight eight two

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Speaker 1: seven four six three, repeat anonymous tips five two zero

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Speaker 1: eight eight two seven four six three. Thanks to our guests,

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Speaker 1: but especially you for being with us, and please join

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Speaker 1: us in prayer as we pray for the safe return

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Speaker 1: of missus Guthrie eighty four years old, Nancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,