Speaker 1: I spent a lot of money, I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time. That trip remained to Hollywood. Still, for all
Speaker 1: the things you could find an out of bad, do
Speaker 1: you make it? This is the stuff of life, and
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Julie Douglas. In our last episode, we
Speaker 1: explored adolescence, the time when we lived our lives like
Speaker 1: a fever dream and carved out some of our most
Speaker 1: poignant memories. Now we look at how those memories become
Speaker 1: the fertile ground of nostalgia, and how nostalgia works on
Speaker 1: us personally, politically, and culturally. And this way, nostalgia is
Speaker 1: a time machine, stringing together memories to give meaning to
Speaker 1: the present and framing our expectations for the future. I
Speaker 1: my fring was so cold for relicing. That's Curtis. We
Speaker 1: met him in a Washington, d C. Park on the
Speaker 1: evening of President Trump's inauguration, a moment in time when
Speaker 1: many in the US were taking time to reflect. Some
Speaker 1: were jubilant with nostalgia and the idea that we're returning
Speaker 1: to another era, Like Dan, who was on his way
Speaker 1: back from inauguration festivities, We're going to return to the
Speaker 1: constitutional status where people can work to be free, where
Speaker 1: they can work for merit, where they can work for
Speaker 1: their future. And I honestly believe we're in the rising
Speaker 1: tide that will lift all boats if you let it.
Speaker 1: Some people like Curtis Wax nostalgic about in America that
Speaker 1: he thinks no longer exists. The biggest thing in all
Speaker 1: these ways is everybody out here protesting. I spent the
Speaker 1: same amount of time protesting volunteering. We wouldn't have anything
Speaker 1: to protest over. We wouldn't they be anything of protest
Speaker 1: over everyone the beginning, everybody like we used to Nolden
Speaker 1: America helping your neighbors. In this episode Our House Stuff Works,
Speaker 1: coworkers Holly Fry and Christopher Hesiotus discussed the pitfalls of nostalgia.
Speaker 1: I think if you're grasping at the way things used
Speaker 1: to be and imagine that they're better, um, even if
Speaker 1: they were better in certain measurable ways, it can prevent
Speaker 1: you from looking at the world around you as it is.
Speaker 1: And we talked to psychologist Clay Rutledge about how nostalgia
Speaker 1: may just be one of the most potent survival tools
Speaker 1: in our psychological tool kits. The people who are naturally
Speaker 1: using nostalgia as the age seem to be doing pretty
Speaker 1: well in terms of psychological health. But first we talked
Speaker 1: to a professional antique picker, Larry Singleton. He's the decor
Speaker 1: manager of Cracker Barrel and he curates a kind of
Speaker 1: nostalgic nuity for sixty two Cracker Barrel stores in the
Speaker 1: United States, complete with a warehouse full of artifacts at
Speaker 1: the ready for new store openings. I can walk out
Speaker 1: in our warehouse every day and and see something that
Speaker 1: brings back, brings that back to me. It brings back
Speaker 1: that memory of my dad, you know, teaching me how
Speaker 1: to drive a T Model truck. I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: him telling me the stories of his adventures growing up
Speaker 1: and taking a trip in a T Model to Indiana
Speaker 1: with a friend, you know, to pick up rabbits. They
Speaker 1: were going to go into the raising rabbit business. You
Speaker 1: know that. You know, it just kind of when I
Speaker 1: see something like that here or you know, it just
Speaker 1: it brings back family. It brings back, you know, that
Speaker 1: connection to my history three and my family's history. It
Speaker 1: just you know, and it and it's it's always a
Speaker 1: good feeling, you know, it's always that connection to him.
Speaker 1: You know, Dan w. Evans opened that first Cracker Barrel
Speaker 1: in Lebanon, Tennessee. Danny decided to you know, he'd come
Speaker 1: up with the idea, you know, him and some folks
Speaker 1: about doing a little place out on the interstate for
Speaker 1: families to stop and uh, you know, serve them food
Speaker 1: and serve some gasoline. He got mom and dad to
Speaker 1: come in and set up the first first restaurant, uh,
Speaker 1: and that was in September nineteen. Each Cracker Barrel has
Speaker 1: a kind of old tiny general store looked to it
Speaker 1: with rocking chairs on the front porch, creating that old
Speaker 1: atmosphere in that field that he he had remembered. He
Speaker 1: brought that to uh, you know, to a place out
Speaker 1: on the interstates that other people could you know, set
Speaker 1: set in and enjoy. Slow down, you know, slow down
Speaker 1: and take it easy. The retail area has all kinds
Speaker 1: of wears, from sweets and candles to quilts and old
Speaker 1: fashioned toys. Inside the restaurant, trays of chicken and dumplings
Speaker 1: emerged from the kitchen. Everywhere you look, there's an admixture
Speaker 1: of antiques and objects that evoke by gone days. Talking
Speaker 1: black and white family photos, butter churn a fiddle hanging
Speaker 1: above that. Oh, I look at the things we hail
Speaker 1: and the tools and the you know, I mean it
Speaker 1: is what you know, these are the things that forged
Speaker 1: and made our country. You know, these these farms, these
Speaker 1: rural communities, these you know, as they were building industries
Speaker 1: and making things, you know, these are all the things
Speaker 1: they used to make that. A lot of the pieces
Speaker 1: are you know, from when you know, America was really
Speaker 1: really growing and and you know, uh, we're establishing you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know about pioneers, but I mean I think
Speaker 1: they were established in industry and community, you know, so
Speaker 1: I think they they do have a connection. The antiques
Speaker 1: differ from store to store, but among the five thousand items,
Speaker 1: each store has the same. Five types of antiques can
Speaker 1: be found. An ox yoke and a horseshoe hang above
Speaker 1: each front door, a traffic light over the entrance to
Speaker 1: the restrooms, a wall telephone next to the mantel, a
Speaker 1: cracker barrel with a checkerboard in front of the fireplace,
Speaker 1: and a deer head and a rifle over the mantel.
Speaker 1: We just kind of follow that tradition, you know, the
Speaker 1: deer head and the gun that mantle that fireplace is
Speaker 1: just a central focus when you come into the dining room.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's kind of it's kind of
Speaker 1: from memory. It's kind of from you know, our you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen our places and stores and cabins and houses,
Speaker 1: and that's you know a lot of times that's that's
Speaker 1: what they use. So we've just kind of followed that tradition. Larry,
Speaker 1: who has purchased more than six hundred thousand original artifacts
Speaker 1: over the years for Cracker Barrel, comes from a family
Speaker 1: of antique pickers, and in some ways, the warehouse that
Speaker 1: contains Cracker Barrel antiques also contains Larry's memories. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of it's, you know, the memory of my
Speaker 1: my family and mom and dad, and a lot of
Speaker 1: it is today it's it's about the memories of the
Speaker 1: guys that I uh, you know, have dealt with us
Speaker 1: and bought from over the years. And there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of interested phones, you know, so that they're great memories,
Speaker 1: you know, they really are those guys is you know,
Speaker 1: they were my teachers, just like my mom and dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nostalgia is a powerful driver and for something it feels
Speaker 1: like an actual physical ache for the absence of the
Speaker 1: thing or person that was loved and lost suddenly resurrected
Speaker 1: in the memory like an apparition. Perhaps this is why
Speaker 1: during the American Civil War the song Home, Sweet Home
Speaker 1: was banned from being played. The homesickness, the depression and
Speaker 1: anxiety that resulted from the song's yearning sentiment was thought
Speaker 1: to stoke what was regarded as a disease of nostalgia.
Speaker 1: In fact, there were more than fifty cases recorded of
Speaker 1: nostalgia in the General Surgeon's records, with seventy four deaths
Speaker 1: attributed to nostalgia during the Civil War. Today, we better
Speaker 1: under stand the bitter sweet nature of nostalgia and the
Speaker 1: ways the bitter can be tamped down and the sweetness
Speaker 1: once again offered up, something explored in the A MC
Speaker 1: drama Madman and this scene. Don Draper forwards through Codex
Speaker 1: new slide projector the carousel, using photos of his own
Speaker 1: family from the last decade in front of him, A simpler,
Speaker 1: happier looking life flicks before his eyes. Teddy told me
Speaker 1: that in Greek, nostalgia literally means the pain from an
Speaker 1: old wound. It's a twinge in your heart, far more
Speaker 1: powerful than memory. Alone. This device isn't a spaceship. It's
Speaker 1: a time machine go backwards and forwards. It takes us
Speaker 1: to a place where we ache to go again. It's
Speaker 1: not called the wheel, It's called the carousel. Let's just
Speaker 1: travel the way the child travels round and round, back
Speaker 1: home again to a place where we know we are loved.
Speaker 1: When I started doing the Stalgia research, I wasn't surprised
Speaker 1: that when people engage in nostalgia and makes them happy.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the marketplace or nostalgia, whether it's
Speaker 1: rebooting movies, rereleasing music, fashions coming back around. I mean,
Speaker 1: nostalgia is big business. Anyone in consumer psychology or in
Speaker 1: behavioral economics can tell you that. My name is Clay Relige.
Speaker 1: I am a social psychologist and professor of psychology at
Speaker 1: North Dakota State University, and I study, among other things,
Speaker 1: the psychology of nostalgia. I'm interested in the big questions.
Speaker 1: So what is it they give us meaning in life?
Speaker 1: How do we cope with insecurities about things like death, loneliness,
Speaker 1: and those sorts of issues that are uniquely human concerns?
Speaker 1: So how does someone who studies nostalgia define it and
Speaker 1: what triggers it Stalgia defined is a sentimental or wistful
Speaker 1: longing for the past. Now what that means for most people,
Speaker 1: based stun our analyzes of over you know, several thousand cases,
Speaker 1: um for sure is nostalgia seems to be these special
Speaker 1: memories that we hold dear, that we cherish, and that
Speaker 1: we bring to mind when we want to revisit the
Speaker 1: you know, some of the more important times in our
Speaker 1: life are the times that we think are really important
Speaker 1: to our our sense of self and our sense of
Speaker 1: meaning in life. So there seems to be two general
Speaker 1: classes of nostalgia triggers. One is, I think the most obvious,
Speaker 1: which is we could call like a sensory trigger ac
Speaker 1: cues that serve as reminders of the past. So they
Speaker 1: might be familiar smells or sits, or things like music.
Speaker 1: You hear an old song from you know, when you
Speaker 1: were a teenager, and it brings to mind the memories
Speaker 1: associate with that. You smell your mom's you know, grandmother's
Speaker 1: apple pie baking in the oven, and it reminds you
Speaker 1: of when you had it when you were a kid.
Speaker 1: Seasonal changes can remind you, you know, the first snowfall
Speaker 1: can remind you of when you were a little kid
Speaker 1: and used to gosside build snowman UM. So there's those
Speaker 1: types of century triggers UM that are really just primes
Speaker 1: of you know, they're just they're just reminding you of
Speaker 1: the past. The second class of triggers has to do
Speaker 1: with feeling a psychological threat. These are things like loneliness,
Speaker 1: feeling meaningless um, even boredom. And what nostalgia seems to
Speaker 1: do is that when people have these sorts of experiences
Speaker 1: that make them feel feel vulnerable UM or scared, or
Speaker 1: some sense of loss and meaninglessness UM, they bring to
Speaker 1: mind these nostalgic memories as a compensatory response or as
Speaker 1: a coping mechanism UM to reassure themselves, to right the ship,
Speaker 1: to feel like you know, no, I'm fine. So loneliness
Speaker 1: is a good example because it's a very powerful trigger
Speaker 1: of nostalgia. When you feel lonely UM, it inspires you
Speaker 1: to remind yourself of times where you've had, you know,
Speaker 1: relationships with people, and to remind you to remind yourself
Speaker 1: that there are people that care about you, There are
Speaker 1: people that you know love you, that you have had
Speaker 1: experiences in your life of relationship success, and you can
Speaker 1: use those memories as a way to boost your confidence.
Speaker 1: You're into personal confidence that you know this. This might
Speaker 1: be a tough time, but you can get through it
Speaker 1: and the future is the future of your social life
Speaker 1: could be bright. Again. This can be heavy stuff, especially
Speaker 1: when just the right piece of music hits us don't
Speaker 1: make you take a say, making better. The way I
Speaker 1: think about it is we we kind of have a
Speaker 1: soundtrack for our lives and for different times in our life.
Speaker 1: Music is very meanful. I mean, it's it's pervasive in
Speaker 1: all areas of culture, whether it's you know, religious or
Speaker 1: secular culture. Um, whether it's you know then you know nationalism,
Speaker 1: your national anthem or song junior at church, or even
Speaker 1: just you know, the music you like to listen to
Speaker 1: on your iPod. It does seem to be woven into
Speaker 1: the fabric of of culture. And so it's not surprising
Speaker 1: that that goes hand in hand with when we access
Speaker 1: our memories of wanting, you know, wanting that soundtrack to
Speaker 1: go with them. These snatches of nostalgia do something pretty magical,
Speaker 1: mainly giving a person a sense of continuity, as though
Speaker 1: there's a cohesive self among all the disparate thoughts and
Speaker 1: actions contained in one person self continus is the sense
Speaker 1: of stability and the self that I'm the same person
Speaker 1: that I used to be and even though my life
Speaker 1: you know, goes through twists and turns that you know,
Speaker 1: there's some core part of me or some sense of
Speaker 1: me that remains stable and the same. And this seem
Speaker 1: to be good for psychological well being to feel like
Speaker 1: you have like a stable sense of self. Um. What
Speaker 1: now nostalgia can do, especially in times of upheaval, whether
Speaker 1: it be economic change or major life transitions like going
Speaker 1: off to college or starting a new job or retirement.
Speaker 1: And what nostalgia can do is sort of serve as
Speaker 1: a reminder, allow you to access these memories about who
Speaker 1: you are, who your close friends and your family are
Speaker 1: as a way to um regain some sense of stability. Yeah,
Speaker 1: moving to a new place, I'm starting a new job,
Speaker 1: I'm going off to college and getting a new retire um,
Speaker 1: but I'm still the same person I used to be.
Speaker 1: I still have the same um, you know, thoughts and
Speaker 1: feelings and interests. In Clay's research, he found that people
Speaker 1: who engage in nostalgic reflection get a motivational charge. We
Speaker 1: found that having people listen to nostalgic music, for instance,
Speaker 1: or having them write about a nostalgic memory again um
Speaker 1: increase their desire to meet new people, their willingness to
Speaker 1: um to work with strangers on a task, They're confidence
Speaker 1: that they could solve problems they're having in their relationships,
Speaker 1: and their desire to to make new friends and to
Speaker 1: try new things. So it doesn't just seem to make
Speaker 1: people feel meaningful, doesn't just seem to like make them
Speaker 1: feel energetic. It seems to also mobilize people for pursuing
Speaker 1: new opportunities, which I thought it was really cool because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, we think of nostalgia's, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just you kind of avoiding the president and hiding
Speaker 1: in the past. But it really seems to be a
Speaker 1: catalyst for um future oriented behavior. Again, this comes down
Speaker 1: to a kind of time travel, the ability to move
Speaker 1: between the past, present, and future and create sense from it.
Speaker 1: Something that drove Clay to research nostalgia in the first place.
Speaker 1: When I was in graduate school working down my PhD.
Speaker 1: I was interested in the fact that human beings are
Speaker 1: the only species capable of a very sophisticated appreciation of time.
Speaker 1: By being able to access memories and tell ourselves, are
Speaker 1: you know, fashion our own life narrative? Um, we are
Speaker 1: able to deal with some of the some of the
Speaker 1: consequences of this awareness of time. You know, when we
Speaker 1: can think about the future and think about the fact
Speaker 1: that one day we're going to die, but at the
Speaker 1: same time we can say to ourselves, well, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do everything I can to live the best life.
Speaker 1: I can make a meaningful contribution, to leave a legacy
Speaker 1: and to live on in the memories of others. And
Speaker 1: so that process um of thinking about the future and
Speaker 1: what that might inspire UM in my mind got me
Speaker 1: thinking about the past. How people can use the past,
Speaker 1: use their memories for past as a way to cope
Speaker 1: with these existential anxieties. So that's how I first got
Speaker 1: into it, was just thinking about, well if the if
Speaker 1: you're kind of afraid of the future, can you use
Speaker 1: the past as a way to cope with that fear? Um,
Speaker 1: And then it started going from there, Well, it looks
Speaker 1: like the past can do lots of stuff for us
Speaker 1: and puzzling out the pieces of our lives and how
Speaker 1: they fit together. Nostalgia can be incredibly useful. But there's
Speaker 1: also the temptation to use nostalgia like a movie set,
Speaker 1: rolling it in and out of our lives, mistaking the
Speaker 1: movie set as a reality, and glossing over the details
Speaker 1: that are less charming or wonderful than we've remembered. In
Speaker 1: her essay in the New York Review of Books, Z. D. Smith,
Speaker 1: who is of Jamaican descent, rights of nostalgia, quote, in
Speaker 1: that period, I could not vote marrying my husband, have
Speaker 1: my children work in the university, I work in, or
Speaker 1: live in my neighborhood. Time travel is a dis grecitionary art,
Speaker 1: a pleasure trip for some and a horror story for others.
Speaker 1: The initial like uh uh. The mechanism of it in
Speaker 1: terms of survival is like, oh, it's a coping mechanism,
Speaker 1: and you will be you know, sort of soothed, presumably.
Speaker 1: But instead what's happening is angry. Now used to be better,
Speaker 1: real angry. It's not back then like it. It's there's
Speaker 1: some problem going on where it's not soothing at all anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just like the longing has superseded any sort of
Speaker 1: benefit the pleasant memory had, and now it's sort of
Speaker 1: like this weird anger Maker for a Lot of People
Speaker 1: podcast co host Holly Fry and editor Christopher Hasiotis explore
Speaker 1: the problem of imagining a past that wasn't If you
Speaker 1: look at ed Greece when has written in the seventies
Speaker 1: and the film that came out in the eighties, it's
Speaker 1: looking at the fifties in a very very nostalgic rosie view.
Speaker 1: Everything's great, everyone's dancing, and the dancing is great, but
Speaker 1: it completely ignored as all the social upheaval about around
Speaker 1: the corner. It ignores the poor living conditions for a
Speaker 1: significant amount of the population. And so I wonder if
Speaker 1: we take this thing, which on a personal, you know,
Speaker 1: individual animal basis, is helpful, and if it's applied culturally,
Speaker 1: it prevents us from I don't know, looking accurately at
Speaker 1: our at our own past. Well, first of all, let's
Speaker 1: get it straight, like clearly Greece as a documentary and
Speaker 1: it's accurate. Now, I'm not like a big grease person.
Speaker 1: I just I'm sure there are people that think that's
Speaker 1: exactly what the fifties was. Like you, I know I
Speaker 1: did when my sister watched that movie every two days
Speaker 1: when she was a kid, and I thought, oh, that, well,
Speaker 1: that's what it was like a long time ago, in
Speaker 1: the past, years ago, at the time you were innocent
Speaker 1: in that you were ignorant of the things going on
Speaker 1: around you. So it feels like that time was wonderful
Speaker 1: and delightful and full of nothing but glitter and breakfast cereal.
Speaker 1: But in fact, really you're just longing for the time
Speaker 1: when you didn't know better. The problem is that this
Speaker 1: kind of rhetoric, this a simpler time, become such an
Speaker 1: ingrained idea that it's taken as a universal truth, which
Speaker 1: is what I think nostalgia does, at least when it's
Speaker 1: like this sort of super crowdsourced and nostalgia, there was
Speaker 1: one truth. It was great, we had good times all
Speaker 1: the time. And it's like, no, it's there's so much
Speaker 1: more texture to any given moment in history than that
Speaker 1: times before you were even born. You look back on
Speaker 1: these these things that must have been great back then.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you gave me a time machine,
Speaker 1: I could take you somewhere and show you that it
Speaker 1: was much worse than you think it was. And when
Speaker 1: it comes to childhood nostalgia, the memories created in the
Speaker 1: nostalgia factories of the mind can be very different from
Speaker 1: other family members experiences. I sort of experience that with
Speaker 1: my siblings sometimes and my friends. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's just because I'm super cynical, but like, I mean,
Speaker 1: like any family, we had complicated stuff and it sometimes
Speaker 1: we're great and sometimes weren't. But as we've aged and
Speaker 1: like my mom has passed, and when my siblings talk
Speaker 1: about are growing up years and there's a big gap
Speaker 1: between them and me, So there's there's a different childhood
Speaker 1: experience as part of it. But like they'll just talk
Speaker 1: about like this magical, wonderful thing, and I'm like, did
Speaker 1: we grow up in the same house? Like sometimes it
Speaker 1: was cool, but do you remember the Okay, okay, hey
Speaker 1: you're happy. I'm not gonna mess it up. And it
Speaker 1: is kind of an interesting I mean, that's it's like
Speaker 1: nostalgia has driven the bus at that point, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of like covering the puddles that were ad and
Speaker 1: just whitewashing the yucky bits and everything's good. It's all happy.
Speaker 1: Remember those amazing cakes that we got on our birthday,
Speaker 1: So those we're pretty great, And maybe that's a you
Speaker 1: know again, that's a cultural survival mechanism. It keeps your
Speaker 1: family closer that if you actually had to talk about
Speaker 1: all the things that were complicated all the time with
Speaker 1: your family, families wouldn't stick together. The problem is when
Speaker 1: nostalgia is used as a manipulating force, fomenting hyper nationalistic
Speaker 1: pride that would have wide swaths of the population cast
Speaker 1: aside in favor of an America that never really existed
Speaker 1: in the first place. And I wonder how much of
Speaker 1: that is at play with UM A lot of what's
Speaker 1: going on around the world right now politically in terms
Speaker 1: of I mean, it's so we're recording a couple of
Speaker 1: days after the vote for the Brexit and the referendum
Speaker 1: on that it seems like from a lot of the
Speaker 1: data that was driven by the older electorate UM and
Speaker 1: a lot of people who express that they are really
Speaker 1: no check for lack of a better word, about the
Speaker 1: way things used to be before the EU before you know,
Speaker 1: there was before borders were as open, before labor markets
Speaker 1: were as open. And I think we see that a
Speaker 1: lot of that in the US too, in certain political movements,
Speaker 1: people wanting things to be the way they were when
Speaker 1: when they were younger, or when they understood things better
Speaker 1: when there was more. Do you think they were exactly
Speaker 1: To all Americans tonight, in all of our cities and
Speaker 1: in all of our towns, I make this promise. We
Speaker 1: will make America strong again. We will make America proud again,
Speaker 1: we will make America safe again, and we will make
Speaker 1: America great again. To be clear, nobody here is begrudging
Speaker 1: anyone of their nostalgia used in its best form. It
Speaker 1: can be something when you return to again and again,
Speaker 1: propping us up when we need it. I um bathe
Speaker 1: in it, do you know what I mean? Like our
Speaker 1: entire house, my husband is the same, is filled with
Speaker 1: Star Wars toys that we had when we were kids,
Speaker 1: all the way up to new stuffs, kind of like this,
Speaker 1: this hallway that's always open to you to like kind
Speaker 1: of still remember and retain that childlike wonder at something.
Speaker 1: Holly's idea of nostalgia is beautiful, even helpful, in thinking
Speaker 1: of the past as a touchstone to something elemental about
Speaker 1: our existence, something full of awe, a reminder that on
Speaker 1: this planet, in this galaxy, in this universe, we somehow
Speaker 1: get to exist. In the next episode, we look at
Speaker 1: what happens when fear takes hold and desperation takes over.
Speaker 1: In the United States, we are a very suspicious nation.
Speaker 1: We'd like to thank Larry Singleton for sharing his work
Speaker 1: with us, and we'd like to thank Clay Rutledge for
Speaker 1: showing us the ways nostalgia can bolster us and our
Speaker 1: times of need. And thank you to Holly Fry of
Speaker 1: stuff you missed in history class and editor Christopher Hessiotis
Speaker 1: for taking a seat at the table and discussing nostalgia.
Speaker 1: The Stuff of Life is written an executive produced by
Speaker 1: me Julie Douglas and co produced by Noel Brown. Original
Speaker 1: music is by Noel Brown, and editorial oversight is provided
Speaker 1: by contributing producer Dylan Fagin and Head of Production Jerry Rowland.
Speaker 1: This episode also featured music by Tristan McNeil, Aaron Grubbs,
Speaker 1: and Dylan Fagin. If you have a story you'd like
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Speaker 1: how staff works dot com. If you're just looking at
Speaker 1: your own life and your own sphere of existence, to
Speaker 1: a lot of people, that was the way life was.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's why it's a lot
Speaker 1: of times vialable to be able to look beyond yourself
Speaker 1: and connect with others. Are I don't know, Yeah, sorry,
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