Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you, my lie, and look
Speaker 1: over there. How is that culture? Yes? Goodness? Du big episode,
Speaker 1: big episode. We have a choice to make up top. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's the choice? Do we want this to be honesty
Speaker 1: zone style? I mean it feels like you came on
Speaker 1: here cooking. It feels like my girl came on here
Speaker 1: fucking cooking, ready to either rock or roll. And by rock,
Speaker 1: I mean go honestly zone like pop off or roll
Speaker 1: like sort of roll through like like ducking hard top ducking.
Speaker 1: I don't want a duck. Can I just say that
Speaker 1: is that is not my I would rather rock. I
Speaker 1: would rather rock, you know what I mean, Hey, let's
Speaker 1: sucking rock, then let's literally rock. I am a cooked
Speaker 1: past tense adjective. I have not gotten sleep. That's the
Speaker 1: thing I need the most in this world. That's the
Speaker 1: thing that it's a base the human need and a right.
Speaker 1: I would say, you, guys, it's your right to be
Speaker 1: able to sleep. You actually have to do what you
Speaker 1: must do. Is just so I didn't realize I wasn't
Speaker 1: sleeping last I don't know if anyone, not any readers
Speaker 1: out there have this. We're just like for a few
Speaker 1: days in a row. You've been stressed out about whatever
Speaker 1: it is, any given thing, and you realize you really
Speaker 1: haven't slept, and then you have what I would consider
Speaker 1: really legally a short coma. The other night, I slept
Speaker 1: for thirt five hours. I'm so jealous. I have not
Speaker 1: had that kind of sleep in years, years and years.
Speaker 1: It's sleep should be sanctified into human rights, into law,
Speaker 1: and you would be breaking the law if you did
Speaker 1: not get at least seven hours of sleep every night,
Speaker 1: you'd be breaking the law. So say goodbye to to
Speaker 1: the club, say goodbye to to the to the drugs
Speaker 1: that keep you up all night. Listen, they're illegal for
Speaker 1: that reason. Let me ask you question. I agree. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. On any given night, how
Speaker 1: many hours do you sleep? And let's actually get into this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many hours? Five four or five six? If I'm lucky,
Speaker 1: it's not it's been like this for the past I
Speaker 1: would say, like eighteen months. It's not been good. WHOA, Okay,
Speaker 1: that explains a lot of my vibe in the last year.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just like I'm just dragging, and
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm dour and I'm not I don't like
Speaker 1: myself and this is where this is the energy I'm
Speaker 1: coming in with. And I'm sorry. I apologize in advance.
Speaker 1: And you met Rodgers is my friend as the show
Speaker 1: biz legend, as decreed by Jennifer Lewis herself way too
Speaker 1: early to say my career, give me two more years,
Speaker 1: eight more months. You who do not have to really
Speaker 1: console me in this. I'm just being honesty zone right
Speaker 1: now towards you and saying that I'm realizing that that's
Speaker 1: at the source, that's the source of all of this,
Speaker 1: and I'm me and I'm realizing that I didn't have
Speaker 1: that great of a time last night at the Emmy
Speaker 1: Awards for various reasons. Um, I'm very glad that my
Speaker 1: mother got to meet my auntie Sandra. Oh, that's such
Speaker 1: a special moment. I saw the picture that was so great.
Speaker 1: I bet Sandra was. Sandra was so lovely, and um,
Speaker 1: she took a picture. She was like, we need to
Speaker 1: get a Canadian picture. So as me, Sandra, Mark, Martin Short,
Speaker 1: and Lauren Michael's got a picture together. And it's really nice.
Speaker 1: Marty Short, that's amazing hamming it up with him. It's like,
Speaker 1: you don't mind it, You're just like let him go.
Speaker 1: Remember okay, remember that night and fire that day on
Speaker 1: Fire Island. I almost wanted to tell him this, but
Speaker 1: I mean, Marty was was just like chopping it up,
Speaker 1: going going off at dinner after the show, and then um,
Speaker 1: I turned to Sudis, I about Sudi with me to
Speaker 1: this dinner. And then I turned to studio and I
Speaker 1: told some of the other people at the table. I
Speaker 1: was like, there was one morning on Fire Island this
Speaker 1: year where we woke up and our friend Patrick was
Speaker 1: just like, we need to watch Jimmy Glick videos. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a morning Jimmy Glick is the funniest ship
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. There not nearly enough
Speaker 1: respect for jim Any Glick and also Martin Short at large.
Speaker 1: My my personal vote for that category did go to
Speaker 1: Steve Martin herself, but Martin Short was Martin Short. Marty's
Speaker 1: a legend. It is tough to to watch fat Suit
Speaker 1: humor and be like, but all that aside, If I
Speaker 1: can separate that, I don't know if I should, But
Speaker 1: if I can separate that, I go it was a
Speaker 1: different time. I'm also I don't I also just woke
Speaker 1: up to some bullshit, Like some people deliberately misinterpreting the
Speaker 1: Tony Bennett joke that I made as being like as
Speaker 1: as as being about dementia. No, no, a little freaking
Speaker 1: it's a it's an age just joke. Sure, I'll cop
Speaker 1: to that. It's a joke about age one. That doesn't
Speaker 1: make it an egist. I I Alzheimer has affected me
Speaker 1: and my family like it's I I'm not want to
Speaker 1: take that young woman taking care of older men. That
Speaker 1: was I can't even I shouldn't have even gone this
Speaker 1: far into it conversationally with you, my friends, with the readers,
Speaker 1: by the way, so many, so many lovely lovely publicists, readers,
Speaker 1: actual publicists, readers. Last night, UM, some lovely people who
Speaker 1: were working the event after the governor's event. After UM,
Speaker 1: there was one guy who I passed by with my mom.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm a Katie. I was like, what, It
Speaker 1: was very very nice to see the Katie's out in
Speaker 1: full force. You know, I've met some people recently who
Speaker 1: have really who have really really really come forward and
Speaker 1: identified themselves as Katie's, And sometimes I have the heart
Speaker 1: to tell them like, I'm so sorry to have led
Speaker 1: you down this path. You are not a Katie anymore.
Speaker 1: You're back to being a reader because they come up
Speaker 1: with such pride and being a Katie, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to take that from them. So you know what
Speaker 1: I say to everyone out there, self identify and that's
Speaker 1: actually a real culture. N You know what I say
Speaker 1: every we're out there so identified. Maybe there are factions period,
Speaker 1: maybe that there's maybe at home. No, did we start
Speaker 1: a still whole a war within our own fan com
Speaker 1: unity like the Katies and the readers, like, oh man,
Speaker 1: it is giving red state blue states. There aren't enough
Speaker 1: civil wars. We'll call them a fandom. I I don't
Speaker 1: like to say that we have stands, that we have
Speaker 1: a stand population the way that like pop stars made,
Speaker 1: but stands stand hoods like don't have civil wars. Enough
Speaker 1: of the time they stick together, but not until now,
Speaker 1: until now tear each other apart, can we? I'm I
Speaker 1: I am understanding you and hearing you that it was
Speaker 1: a stressful, um not very sleep filled evening. You did
Speaker 1: look absolutely great you. I loved your suit. I thought
Speaker 1: you're a bit with Keenan was amazing. You brought some
Speaker 1: energy to the proceedings, which they needed. Um, I was
Speaker 1: watching at home and mom the shots were being called
Speaker 1: very late. I also didn't realize because I was in
Speaker 1: I'm in Canada right now shooting and the word fuck
Speaker 1: slipped through so many times. I was like, are the
Speaker 1: people that are doing these speeches like deliberately just saying funk?
Speaker 1: And are they missing it? And then I remembered, like
Speaker 1: the standards are different in Canada, but there was so
Speaker 1: much cursing last night, and it kind of just felt
Speaker 1: like my thing is like with with the with the
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck literally if people curse, but
Speaker 1: it kind of just felt like, Okay, you know, this
Speaker 1: is like an event that everyone in America is watching.
Speaker 1: You know, there's like decorum with speeches, and if everyone
Speaker 1: is the person to say fuck, damn, hell shit, ass see,
Speaker 1: you know all these things like then it kind of
Speaker 1: loses its novelty. So for everyone to be the potty
Speaker 1: mouth of the night is kind of like, alright, chill people,
Speaker 1: we understand you're cool and throw some funs around. I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many years has the sec been around?
Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's I feel like it's just not
Speaker 1: quite as shocking anymore to curse on television also like
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, I'm not gonna curse and
Speaker 1: then cursing like that joke is hacked to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: and all all due respect to every winner who played
Speaker 1: that game. Um can I just say there were so
Speaker 1: many amazing moments though, like Shirley Ralph, well, what was
Speaker 1: that like? Because when they cut to her in the crowd,
Speaker 1: she really wasn't expecting it. What a legend, What a legend.
Speaker 1: And I mean, okay, I will say this. I think
Speaker 1: I had some conversations with people who were in the room,
Speaker 1: and congratulations to Michael Keaton, legend for winning. For dope
Speaker 1: sick for that to be the first award of the night.
Speaker 1: And for someone who is a seasoned of an actress,
Speaker 1: he for someone who's won awards in his past. He
Speaker 1: goes up, he gives a pretty I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I would say, like, um, rehearsed speech right, and there
Speaker 1: was no like, there was no magic to it. You
Speaker 1: needed something light. That's That's why, Like I always like
Speaker 1: it when the supporting categories go first. I like when
Speaker 1: someone starts off the night sets the tone in a
Speaker 1: way that's like, oh my god, oh this is amazing.
Speaker 1: This is lovely. Wow, thank you so much. UM, so
Speaker 1: to go from Murray Bartley gave you some of that.
Speaker 1: I think Michael Keaton kind of comes on well first
Speaker 1: of all, okay, let's back up. Oprah walking out was
Speaker 1: a huge shock in the room and like you know,
Speaker 1: my mom just kind of goes what feet away from
Speaker 1: Oprah like crazy, um. And then Michael Keaton wins this award.
Speaker 1: It was just like we were kind of lurching through
Speaker 1: various like vibes between Oprah coming on, Oprah, Like someone
Speaker 1: like Oprah coming on you expect to be like, uh,
Speaker 1: something that picks up the show, like in the middle
Speaker 1: of it or towards the end. So that happens. Michael
Speaker 1: Keaton wins and gives this speech that's very like lovely. Um.
Speaker 1: Murray wins anyway, and I just think like the tones,
Speaker 1: as you said, were weird until Cheryl goes up and
Speaker 1: sings endangered species and the whole room was silent just
Speaker 1: taking this in and like her, her saying this is
Speaker 1: what believing looks like really impacted that whole fucking theater,
Speaker 1: like it would give me something you could feel, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, like just like hearing her, hearing
Speaker 1: her name and I voted for Janelle James, but hearing
Speaker 1: her name get uh said out loud everyone that I
Speaker 1: know what said, They screamed yes, Like I was watching
Speaker 1: it with the we're here in Toronto working on something
Speaker 1: and Joel and I were watching it and we just
Speaker 1: both were like yes, Like how can you not as
Speaker 1: a fan of just like it feels like anything not
Speaker 1: have been touched by Cheryl Ye Ralph in some way,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if you don't know
Speaker 1: her from like six Sister Act two or like her
Speaker 1: from dream Girls Mosha, like you know Abbot element Tree
Speaker 1: now like it just you know, I know she's a
Speaker 1: peer of Jennifer's, and Jennifer sometimes talks about their relationship,
Speaker 1: and in fact, Shirley Ralph is um She's in the book,
Speaker 1: and you know she actually was. She was actually mentioned
Speaker 1: in an article about Jennifer recently, and they talked so
Speaker 1: fondly about each other. But when Shirley Ralph was up
Speaker 1: there on stage, I sort of felt like a lot
Speaker 1: of like pride and like utmost respect for her, like
Speaker 1: a truly a figure of great esteem and respect and
Speaker 1: dignity and talent and beauty like a great fortunate beauty
Speaker 1: and a great fortune of beauty. She sits on a
Speaker 1: throne of great fortune of beauty. And she so took
Speaker 1: that moment like a pro, but like a pro in
Speaker 1: the way that really reminded me of Jennifer and that
Speaker 1: it was spontaneous and it felt like almost like a word.
Speaker 1: It felt it was giving. It was she was feeling
Speaker 1: the spirit and she was allowing something through her and
Speaker 1: also not for nothing, but she really cleared and took
Speaker 1: her moment to actually produce a really sick vocal like
Speaker 1: Mama was open and sounded good. And then now only
Speaker 1: she didn't stop the speech there when she could, she
Speaker 1: continued on with her gratitude and her just like illustrious career,
Speaker 1: like just she just was mounting that stage and giving
Speaker 1: it to everybody, and it never de heightened. It was
Speaker 1: truly from her soul and she gave it to everyone
Speaker 1: with the raised fist at the end and that Emmy
Speaker 1: in the air. And I said, that is someone who
Speaker 1: deserves this moment. And I think what you're maybe pulling
Speaker 1: from the Michael Keaton of it all, because I was
Speaker 1: also a little bit bored, is this is someone we've
Speaker 1: now seen give many speeches, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And he also he was so stunning in his speech,
Speaker 1: so beautiful in his speech from the Critics Choice Awards,
Speaker 1: that it almost feels like when you see someone give
Speaker 1: a speech a lot and like, you know, not necessarily
Speaker 1: set up to orate in that moment. Sometimes it is nice.
Speaker 1: And with these, with these award shows that come at
Speaker 1: the end of our particular cycle and the Emmys, like
Speaker 1: we've all been talking about these shows for so fucking
Speaker 1: long now, it feels like the degree of spontaneity is lower.
Speaker 1: The conversations around TV cycles is times such that there
Speaker 1: is no like rest spit whereas with like Oscar, with
Speaker 1: with films, it's like, okay, like you got like you
Speaker 1: can just chill out in the summer, you know, like
Speaker 1: spring summer, just chill September, more September, but then more
Speaker 1: September and to come ball in winter. And that's when
Speaker 1: that's when you pay attention. That's when you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is what we're gonna talk about. Leading
Speaker 1: into March, like all the way up to the Oscars,
Speaker 1: like there's like a pretty timebound aspect to that with TV.
Speaker 1: It's like you're watching these shows all you're you're talking
Speaker 1: about them all year. So by the time you get
Speaker 1: to the Emmys, you're a little bit like unclenched and
Speaker 1: you're releasing all of this fatigue maybe and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go, and that's all of these and it
Speaker 1: all comes rushing back to your like, oh, that's right. Um,
Speaker 1: there was White Lotus. I mean White Lotus was like
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. I was eighteen years
Speaker 1: ago when it came out. I remember, I remember when
Speaker 1: the iPhone came out at the same time as White Lotus.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm saying. I'm watching. I finally
Speaker 1: watched The Dropout and it's Oh, it's graperful, It's great.
Speaker 1: She's very deserving. She's very deserving, absolutely very deserving. I
Speaker 1: think that show does a really good job of like
Speaker 1: depicting technology that isn't too far in the past, but
Speaker 1: isn't that recent either anyway. Um. And the thing to
Speaker 1: it is with the thing with the Dropout too, in
Speaker 1: the Elizabeth Holmes of it all is it had to
Speaker 1: be something that she ostensibly could sort of really make up,
Speaker 1: but had to be believable enough, and that feels very
Speaker 1: now you know what I mean it is it sort
Speaker 1: of speaks to you know, the fire Festival cons of
Speaker 1: it all, and it's like Michael Show altered, like go
Speaker 1: Off King, he really directed the ship out of that.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It was believable enough, but also like what this is
Speaker 1: continued performance is great. Um but anyway that I think
Speaker 1: that's that's the weird thing about TV seasons is that
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, there's so much consumption. The volume is
Speaker 1: crazy as we all know. Um well, it's also like
Speaker 1: like White there was White Lotus that was truly from
Speaker 1: like last fall, and then it feels like, well, what
Speaker 1: happened this year? I think anyway is that it just
Speaker 1: so happened that fucking everything came out in like April
Speaker 1: and May, and then it was like so overloaded. So
Speaker 1: so for all these shows to make a run for
Speaker 1: it so hard in like April and May towards the
Speaker 1: end of the eligibility, and then for it to just
Speaker 1: be like Ted Lasso and White Lotus, you're like okay,
Speaker 1: like it just goes to show like you don't have
Speaker 1: to show up right when the voting is happening. You
Speaker 1: just have to be something they like, and they clearly
Speaker 1: still loved. I was really surprised to not see a
Speaker 1: couple more wins go Barri's way because people are so
Speaker 1: obsessed with that show. That show. I mean, can I
Speaker 1: just say Henry Ankler is first of all, delivers an
Speaker 1: incredible performance and very both funny and dramatic at the
Speaker 1: same time. It's not a separate he doesn't separate those things,
Speaker 1: kind of collapses them into like the same performance and
Speaker 1: at various turns. But I'll just say, like incredibly kind man.
Speaker 1: Got to meet him and his wife and chat with them.
Speaker 1: I was I just was like, I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: talking to him and much less like him in the
Speaker 1: same categories this man, But that's not what that's what
Speaker 1: That's not what matters. But he and I both went
Speaker 1: to the bathroom after we lost, and then and then
Speaker 1: I just like tapped him on the shoulder, was like,
Speaker 1: I was rooting for you, Henry, and he turns to
Speaker 1: me goes, I was rooting for you, and then I
Speaker 1: don't I don't believe that at all, but it was
Speaker 1: it was just nice to hear that. It was just
Speaker 1: nice to receive that from him. And then the bathroom
Speaker 1: together and we I'll say it, Pete in the same
Speaker 1: in the same urnal and and Pete in today's at
Speaker 1: urinals we crossed. It seems beautifully with eye contact you
Speaker 1: and the fine I would love I would love to
Speaker 1: cross the iceberg. Enough fun, that's beautiful. The title of
Speaker 1: that was my Pbo Bryson fantasy. Yeah, there was lots
Speaker 1: of good things that happened. I'm really excited for Quinta.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know that was that was awesome.
Speaker 1: I felt like that shows like really arrived. Now. I
Speaker 1: feel like Shirley when Shirley one, I thought, oh my god,
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna sweep everything. And I thought Quinta would
Speaker 1: win Actress and also series. But it feels like they
Speaker 1: still are on their ted last. So did you get
Speaker 1: to meet Kelly again? Did you get to talk to
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson when she showed up on stage? I screen,
Speaker 1: I got to walk past her dressing room. It was
Speaker 1: next to the gifting sleep. But can we talk about
Speaker 1: her singing Losing my mind? Oh? I just watched it
Speaker 1: before we got on. So Kelly Clarkson shows back. It's
Speaker 1: now in the four pm Eastern Standard time time slot,
Speaker 1: the Ellen time slot. There's a lot of pressure she
Speaker 1: has been delivering. She did cover Welcome to New York
Speaker 1: by telling us yesterday for her first big episode because
Speaker 1: they're doing episodes from New York. And today we got
Speaker 1: Losing my Mind from Stephen Sondheim's Follies and it was
Speaker 1: quote retweeted on a tweet that said, put Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 1: on Broadway, which I have to agree with. This was
Speaker 1: a great, lovely performance. She really gave it to you.
Speaker 1: There was no doubt in our minds that she would
Speaker 1: not be a stellar interpreter of sondheime. But but I agree,
Speaker 1: we must agree with that tweet. We must coast sign.
Speaker 1: Kelly tells a story. But just just like back to
Speaker 1: the Emmys of it all for a second. When she
Speaker 1: came out, it was so funny to me which presenters
Speaker 1: they decided to give comed a copy in which they did,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I was just watching at home,
Speaker 1: and I was like sort of be fluttled by some
Speaker 1: of the presenters being given joke copy and some some not.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, well, if they're not communic
Speaker 1: performers probably and they shouldn't be getting the joke copy.
Speaker 1: And then Kelly Clarkson came out like she's like a
Speaker 1: funny person, she's like a host, and basically what they
Speaker 1: gave her was like, alright, this is best Actress and
Speaker 1: I just want to say that it's so amazing to
Speaker 1: even be nominated to congrats to all your ladies on that.
Speaker 1: It's so cool. It's so cool. Alright. Anyway, so the
Speaker 1: winner is and I'm like, what, like, give the girl
Speaker 1: something to say inspiring for for women to be nominated? Yes,
Speaker 1: select queens, And I was just like, what is going
Speaker 1: It wasn't even that. It was just like Vanessa and
Speaker 1: Molly killed. Vanessa and Molly killed. You have to watch
Speaker 1: their interview they did backstage after they presented. It's so sweet.
Speaker 1: They're both just loving on each other, going like I
Speaker 1: did watch it, we're both we're both from Cleveland. We
Speaker 1: just love each other. And then at one point Vanessa goes,
Speaker 1: we're both from Cleveland, so we have the same the
Speaker 1: same and then value value and then Vanessa's like vibe,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, values, Oh my god, can say, Ok,
Speaker 1: here's who was at my table okay, it was okay.
Speaker 1: My table was me, my mother, Kate McKinnon, Lord Michael's um,
Speaker 1: set An Amy Um, Molly, Vanessa, Vanessa's friend Gwen, and Sandra.
Speaker 1: Oh and it was crazy. But Molly, Molly looks around,
Speaker 1: looks at everybody at the table when we sit down.
Speaker 1: When the show starts, she goes, this is the most
Speaker 1: Molly Shandon things. She goes, this is a fun table table.
Speaker 1: I love this table. I wouldn't want to be at
Speaker 1: any other table. I wouldn't. And then when, but you
Speaker 1: know what, but then white when when a white lotus one,
Speaker 1: Molly was like, Molly was just clapping at our table.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, that's so nice. I'm like, mom, And
Speaker 1: I turned to Molly, Molly, you should go up all
Speaker 1: the cast. She just no, No, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for them. I was like, Molly, standon
Speaker 1: that show. Oh that isn't that great? Yeah? We shot that,
Speaker 1: We really shot that. We did, and I loved chrise.
Speaker 1: I could bring my daughter. So I'm not going up.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go up because I was only in
Speaker 1: most of it. You know, they were in all of it.
Speaker 1: I was only most of it. It was like, Molly,
Speaker 1: this this, this is the most Molly Shannon things. She
Speaker 1: was like, no, No, I was like, Molly, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? I honestly adore her. And also the
Speaker 1: fact that like he thanked her as one of like
Speaker 1: two inspirations for it. Why I missed that part, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said. He was like he said something like, oh,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much to Jennifer Coolidge, Molly Shannon,
Speaker 1: they're my friends, like they were what inspired me to
Speaker 1: write it, like he said, like, I have a feeling
Speaker 1: that he wrote a lot of those parts with like
Speaker 1: specific actors in mind. By the way, they put out
Speaker 1: the teaser for the new season and it's set in
Speaker 1: Sicily and it looks really interesting. And speaking of sequels,
Speaker 1: something I wanted to touch on, you know what got
Speaker 1: grave reviews out of the Toronto International Film Festival was
Speaker 1: Knives Out Too, which I saw the cast and like,
Speaker 1: I saw them all talking about it and that looks
Speaker 1: like a fun table. That looks like a fun table
Speaker 1: Molly would want said at that table, I mean, and
Speaker 1: you know it has my avatar Kate Hudson. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: she really like my my impression of her. She really
Speaker 1: really does what did she say in this and in this?
Speaker 1: In this, she was like she basically she's like being
Speaker 1: interviewed about knives out to glass onion and she's got
Speaker 1: her like fabulous alphadel. She's like sitting on the corner
Speaker 1: so that she can use the arm resk, you know,
Speaker 1: because I feel like she her like essential gesture is
Speaker 1: like leaning her arm rest and then getting up and
Speaker 1: giving it and then leaning back, but never I can't
Speaker 1: decide whether she can like lean or not. So she's
Speaker 1: saying like it's her and Janelle sort of like running
Speaker 1: the show, and like the rest of the actress started
Speaker 1: just sitting there being like, yeah, I guess they they
Speaker 1: do talk to most and they're like, kaikos, I swear
Speaker 1: to God, like we would do murder Mystery. It was
Speaker 1: so funny to be doing a murder mystery movie and
Speaker 1: then still want to do a murder mystery party on
Speaker 1: the weekends. I don't know. It was just really fun.
Speaker 1: And then they go to everyone, so who was the
Speaker 1: best at murder Mystery And they all look at Kate
Speaker 1: Hudson and she's like, what, Oh my god, I was
Speaker 1: really into it, you know what, guys, It makes me
Speaker 1: feel really happy that you said that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm Kate. You are Kate. Oh my god, You're right.
Speaker 1: I was the best. That's so funny. It's ask Perland
Speaker 1: is Kate, No, Matt Rodgers is Kate Hudson. That's a
Speaker 1: rule of culture, of culture Kate Bert Rogers is Kate Hudson.
Speaker 1: Talk about that show. I did see Kate Berland in
Speaker 1: Kate and listen, this was exemplary, like in terms of
Speaker 1: not only just a comedy show or you know, an
Speaker 1: alt you know, comedy experience. It's like a journey into it.
Speaker 1: It really is. And have you seen it yet? I
Speaker 1: know I'm dying to. I will pay any price to
Speaker 1: see it. I know, I know the tickets are they're deep,
Speaker 1: but like, but it's it's theater. This is the This
Speaker 1: is when theater is exciting, when when you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: I really it's a must see thing. You know, it
Speaker 1: has that feeling about it. And um, I've just heard them.
Speaker 1: I've read. I don't want to read all of the
Speaker 1: reviews because I don't want to. I don't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, to I don't get going with too much context. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it can really be tipped
Speaker 1: for you in a way. What else say about it
Speaker 1: is that actually, as I was leaving, I was thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, like, how would I describe this? And I
Speaker 1: would just say, you know, if you're a Kate Berlant fan,
Speaker 1: it feels like her at her most realized. And I
Speaker 1: have a feeling that probably a lot of people that
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, a lot of the readers probably
Speaker 1: also listen to Poog and if you are big fans
Speaker 1: of Kate's, like, this is a really cool show to see.
Speaker 1: It's just directed to absolute perfection by Bo Burnham. I mean,
Speaker 1: the aesthetic is very clear. You would actually you would
Speaker 1: absolutely love it. You would absolutely love it. You really
Speaker 1: was of course I would. Oh my god. It's that
Speaker 1: thing where I remember the conversations that I would first have.
Speaker 1: This was like I remember like someone came into a
Speaker 1: pop roulette rehearsal. I think it was Amanda was a
Speaker 1: man of Chatman and she was like, you, guys, I
Speaker 1: just saw this amazing stand up show and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like Kate show, but it was like Kate doing a
Speaker 1: set and it was like at that point I had
Speaker 1: heard of I knew John early, but I knew that
Speaker 1: he was doing shows with or he was doing stuff
Speaker 1: with Kate, like hearing Kate be described as one thing
Speaker 1: and then you and then you watch or perform and
Speaker 1: it's this really wild, electrifying thing that like I think
Speaker 1: people I think it might have been some it was
Speaker 1: some piece, I forget what it was in. But there
Speaker 1: they write about how you know, people are still sort
Speaker 1: of writing checks on the sensibilities that like John and
Speaker 1: Kate have sort of created. And I but here's what
Speaker 1: I think about that, because I do think there used
Speaker 1: to be a narrative at least in the New York
Speaker 1: comedy community that Kate and John quote unquote get copied.
Speaker 1: And I think that, like, while that may have been
Speaker 1: true because people were very strongly influenced by what they've
Speaker 1: what they did, and what they were so good at,
Speaker 1: I think everyone that tried to copy them is sort
Speaker 1: of no longer doing it because they've failed at doing
Speaker 1: it as well, or realized that was a narrative and
Speaker 1: therefore abandoned it and tried to, like you do, find
Speaker 1: your own fucking thing. Because they did get there were
Speaker 1: speech patterns in the way that they would speak on stage,
Speaker 1: and they do share some. I mean, I think they
Speaker 1: would even go to that. Sometimes I do see John
Speaker 1: and Kate and Kate and John, but they are so
Speaker 1: an entity that it's like, you know, that doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like a weird rub to me. Other people younger than
Speaker 1: them obviously would rip the way that they spoke, and
Speaker 1: now I don't see them doing it that much anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not even I'm not even like attaching
Speaker 1: any sort of value judgment on that. I go, of course,
Speaker 1: you're going to try on like another person's thing, You're
Speaker 1: gonna channel something else as you are on your own
Speaker 1: journey to your own point of view like that that
Speaker 1: that that is totally normal. I just feel like that's
Speaker 1: they're like, I don't think that many people are like
Speaker 1: not to narcissistically put myself in that equation, but like
Speaker 1: not people aren't copying me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: or people aren't like trying to use my voice in something.
Speaker 1: And so that's like the difference where I got. Well,
Speaker 1: John and Kate really found something, um and even let's
Speaker 1: just like distinguish the two. Like Kate found something very
Speaker 1: very very specific in the way she performs narcissism, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just really really great. There's there's
Speaker 1: an art to it. And like I'm finishing Parker Poses
Speaker 1: book finally and I'm like, oh, there's these are these
Speaker 1: are artists, these are this is something that like, um,
Speaker 1: you you really build out your self, you it affects
Speaker 1: your output because it comes from a differently um conceived
Speaker 1: self concept. I'm talking into my ask, but it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like, yes, I do
Speaker 1: think that in discussing Kate's work sometimes I do get
Speaker 1: a little like turned around. And I think that what
Speaker 1: I love about her so much is that if you
Speaker 1: actually just sit there and watch it, it's actually a
Speaker 1: lot more simple than than you think. And I also
Speaker 1: think the fact that you think that Kate is going
Speaker 1: to present this heavy like odyssey of the mind is
Speaker 1: part of her magic trick because you go there and
Speaker 1: so much of the show is about actual superficiality in
Speaker 1: that base way, you know what. It's funny like back
Speaker 1: when I was a little bit more self conscious as
Speaker 1: a comedian, and I think back when and I didn't
Speaker 1: know my own voice so much, I would actually get
Speaker 1: intimidated by people like John Kate and Jacqueline no vacuo,
Speaker 1: because I figured like they were operating on a level
Speaker 1: that I could not possibly understand. And I think that
Speaker 1: trips people up. You go to their show and you
Speaker 1: just sit there and they're actually it's actually the show
Speaker 1: was actually made exactly for me. I left that being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was so like that was such
Speaker 1: a ripping open of the like like emotional psychological wounds
Speaker 1: you only find in therapy because you admit it to
Speaker 1: yourself about what it means wanting attention, like truly, And
Speaker 1: I think that like because she's so smartin because bo
Speaker 1: is such a great eye on it, it seems so vast,
Speaker 1: and then in the comedy it's actually really simple. And
Speaker 1: what I'm most blown away by with caper Land is
Speaker 1: her sheer control as a performer. She is so in
Speaker 1: her body and she she plays every note of her
Speaker 1: own instrument like it's just so like it's it's very
Speaker 1: lived in in a way, and like I hesitant to
Speaker 1: say dropped in because it's not that it's actually beyond
Speaker 1: because because she's it's it's both broad and also really
Speaker 1: really small in a way that she's aware of and
Speaker 1: like a lot of the show is about. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like a you know, exploration on on how she's
Speaker 1: perceived as a performer and what that does to her
Speaker 1: own psyche. And I think that, you know, the it's
Speaker 1: it's just great. I mean like I really loved it,
Speaker 1: m M. And this space is great. Yeah, Connelly's great.
Speaker 1: That's where Circle Jerk was. It was awesome. Um. But wow,
Speaker 1: hearing you talk about hearing you talk about her control
Speaker 1: is really cool. I told her after that inspired me,
Speaker 1: Oh great, Matt. And that's and you will process that
Speaker 1: in your own way and it will come out perfectly.
Speaker 1: I am. This is what's eating at me from last night?
Speaker 1: What's up? I just like, look at myself in these
Speaker 1: photos and I go, what the hell am I doing? Like?
Speaker 1: Why is it? Like it's it's that thing where oh god.
Speaker 1: This is what makes this business really crazy. Is that
Speaker 1: if you're good at it, then that means you like,
Speaker 1: if you're good at that part of it, then that
Speaker 1: means um that you think about this constantly. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just and then I watched back the bit I
Speaker 1: did with Keenan, and I look at myself when I go,
Speaker 1: there's no I have no idea what I'm I have
Speaker 1: no control over what I'm doing, my delivery, my intention
Speaker 1: behind this. That's not true. It's no Matt. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: Like I I walked out there and I kind of
Speaker 1: blacked out. I think in and think God Keenan was
Speaker 1: there next to me, Because it was just me by
Speaker 1: myself on that stage, I would have had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: On life television. I was just I was just like
Speaker 1: and that's not a natural environment for anyone to be in.
Speaker 1: And let me just say, like, um, I have no
Speaker 1: interest in actually hosting a show like that. It's it's
Speaker 1: crazy to me that anyone want to would want to
Speaker 1: do that, except for a unicorn like Keenan Thompson, except
Speaker 1: for some like a late night post like you know
Speaker 1: all the late night hosts we have. But for someone
Speaker 1: like me. I watch back that set, that thing, that bit,
Speaker 1: and I go, what the funk am I doing with
Speaker 1: my face? My body? Like? Why am I moving around
Speaker 1: like this? It's it's not even artistic things, it's stupid
Speaker 1: ship like that where I go, I hate this, I
Speaker 1: hate looking at myself that way. I'm just being This
Speaker 1: is honesty zone. This is the honesty zone that I
Speaker 1: was kind of wanting to maybe bring in And I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if it's dragging us down a bit in the
Speaker 1: um in the vibe, but I just that's that's that's
Speaker 1: my honesty's own moment. Well that's a therapize. But I
Speaker 1: totally understand everything that you're saying. And I think that
Speaker 1: it's very normal to watch yourself back on something like
Speaker 1: the Emmy's and not be like, look at me, look
Speaker 1: I look perfect. Look at how I know my angles?
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't miss a speck of that light. I
Speaker 1: hit the light. Look at me on my God Denmark
Speaker 1: and not a stumble. Incredible. I will tell you this, Boone,
Speaker 1: from my perspective, what what what the show really needed
Speaker 1: at that point was energy, and you brought so much
Speaker 1: energy and the crowd was so excited to see you.
Speaker 1: I I understand and I and I this is how
Speaker 1: I understand this about you because I see the way
Speaker 1: that you rehearse, and I see the way that you prepare,
Speaker 1: and I know I understand with you that it's very
Speaker 1: important to be on top of the little things. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it doesn't matter you were one of the
Speaker 1: presenter highlights. Those jokes were actual jokes. And you delivered
Speaker 1: them with an energy and with a confidence, whether it
Speaker 1: was famed or not, that definitely absolutely read to the audience.
Speaker 1: And if even if I wasn't your best friend sitting
Speaker 1: with your other best friend, I would have been like, well,
Speaker 1: thank God, because you can't fake that thing of just
Speaker 1: comic timing. You can't fake energy, you can't fake confidence
Speaker 1: like that. You can't fake experience like the one that
Speaker 1: you had at the same time. Do I think it's
Speaker 1: normal that you look at yourself in that environment and think, well,
Speaker 1: fuck yeah. And I think that that's probably shared by
Speaker 1: a lot more people, not that you need to go
Speaker 1: to a a with these Hollywood stars and presenters that
Speaker 1: are like, you know, Hi, my name is rhes Wutherspoon
Speaker 1: and I think my hair is too long right now,
Speaker 1: and I don't like the way I looked on the
Speaker 1: Emmy's I want, I do want to go to that meeting. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think that would be a really fun meeting. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: my name is India and um, and actually I have
Speaker 1: no problems by the way, guy, UM, but but I understand,
Speaker 1: And I just want to say, you're not looking for
Speaker 1: me to like say no, no, no, that's not true.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no no, that's not true. And also like
Speaker 1: I was only proud of you and like only thought
Speaker 1: that you looked natural. I do think that there is
Speaker 1: a certain way you can go about it, as like
Speaker 1: a comedic presence where it's like everything about what I'm
Speaker 1: doing here is like funny and ha ha and law,
Speaker 1: and like I I understand, Like, is that maybe where
Speaker 1: you're at, like you wish to be more of like
Speaker 1: a confident comedic presence in the entire thing. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go on stage and be like
Speaker 1: what what Like that's that's the vibe is that I
Speaker 1: feel frenetic, and I don't want that to be part
Speaker 1: of my projection anymore. I don't want to project that outwardly.
Speaker 1: And I can really work on that, Like and look,
Speaker 1: you weren't projecting that. You weren't projecting that I am here,
Speaker 1: so you're perceiving that. Sure. I am so lucky that
Speaker 1: I get to I'm actually very excited about this season MSNL,
Speaker 1: And I don't. I did not say that last year.
Speaker 1: I did not say that the year before. I'm very
Speaker 1: excited going to this season, very excited. Good And I
Speaker 1: hope and even if I'm disappointed, if I'm disappointed it anyway,
Speaker 1: it'll be fine. I think I've built up the you know.
Speaker 1: Amy Polo writes about this in her book about Wanting
Speaker 1: the Cookie Remember This, And there's so much great stuff
Speaker 1: in Um Amy polos Yes Please, And it was really
Speaker 1: fun to see Hear and Steff present together. I'll say that.
Speaker 1: But in Amy Polo's Yes Please, she discusses the thing
Speaker 1: of UM, the promise of the cookie. When you get
Speaker 1: nominated at an award show like that, or really with anything,
Speaker 1: like in any respective career path that you're in, when
Speaker 1: there's like an opportunity for a promotion or like you know,
Speaker 1: a bonus or something, or an opportunity to show mine
Speaker 1: amongst your peers in an extraordinary way or a special
Speaker 1: way that's going to have some recognition, it's like you
Speaker 1: don't want to care about it because it's not cool
Speaker 1: to care about it. That being said, everyone around you
Speaker 1: cares about it, and you care more than you think,
Speaker 1: because you're programmed to of course want recognition from your
Speaker 1: peers and of course be told that you're doing a
Speaker 1: great job, like especially like in the arts and the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, like I'm reading Betty Gilbin's fantastic book right now,
Speaker 1: and oh my god, am I excited to have her
Speaker 1: on the show. But she also says like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: this weird thing of like self deprecation that rubs up
Speaker 1: against like, you know, actual self hatred sometimes and the
Speaker 1: need for attention and the wrestling with that need. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing. Talks about the cookie and how
Speaker 1: you know you want it and then you don't get
Speaker 1: it and you feel stupid for wanting it. It's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird. That is exactly it. Of course Betty would
Speaker 1: get it right. I'm exhausted. I got a decent amount
Speaker 1: of sleep last night. I'll say I think I got
Speaker 1: I think I hit six hours. So I'm not like
Speaker 1: that's so crazy, but that's decent. That's not good. But
Speaker 1: I am drained to the bone, and I think it's
Speaker 1: because of a night like last night that is so
Speaker 1: emotionally weird ten style. It's so emotionally like all over
Speaker 1: the place in the way that it's it's pulling you
Speaker 1: in so many directions that you're like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how I'm supposed to feel about this, and so and
Speaker 1: so let me get to them and think. And I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that this is a therapy session, um, but it
Speaker 1: feels like I've had I'm having to like organize my
Speaker 1: thoughts around this in the immediate aftermath. So thank you
Speaker 1: for being a friend and listening. Um. Do you ever
Speaker 1: think about talking to like, do you ever talk to
Speaker 1: ad about this stuff all the time? But maybe someone
Speaker 1: who I think is being so thoughtful about her relationship
Speaker 1: to all of them, to the pageantry of of of
Speaker 1: ship like this where she is completely I think she
Speaker 1: is like really, I don't I don't want to speak
Speaker 1: on her life, but I think she is like taking
Speaker 1: a minute to just like chill out, not really engage
Speaker 1: in too much like outwardly facing stuff. And I yearned
Speaker 1: for that. I yearned for that. Um. But anyway, this
Speaker 1: is what I'll say about us if we were to
Speaker 1: ever host and I only and look, let me just
Speaker 1: get this out of the way. I'm am I a
Speaker 1: little like I'm a part of me is saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't talk about this. It's so self indulgent for
Speaker 1: us to talk about the hypothetical thing of us hosting
Speaker 1: an award show one day, But We literally just did
Speaker 1: that at Lincoln Center. Even it was it was a fake,
Speaker 1: bastardized parity version of it, there was an element of
Speaker 1: it that felt real, right. And that's because I think
Speaker 1: the reason why Culture Awards got out of its own
Speaker 1: way and succeeded was because you and I we're stupid
Speaker 1: and ironic enough about it, but also took it so seriously.
Speaker 1: We made it seem like an important, prestigious award and
Speaker 1: that the ceremony of the night was so important and
Speaker 1: amazing and not and the award shows now have not
Speaker 1: done that at all. It's always been about the host
Speaker 1: coming out, except for Keenan, but it's always been about
Speaker 1: the host coming up being like, oh hey, we're all here. Okay,
Speaker 1: well this is the part of the show where like
Speaker 1: the wink is not even a wink anymore. It's like
Speaker 1: a an eyebrow raise and a shrug. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: this is what it is. Award shows need to go
Speaker 1: back to the thing where people are like the people
Speaker 1: who are like m seeing are going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's that time or the night where we you know,
Speaker 1: like that needs to come back. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: in like, in like a this is what I'm saying
Speaker 1: about last night, And I couldn't. I couldn't be a
Speaker 1: bigger Keenan fan. That whole opening with the dancing, I
Speaker 1: didn't get it at all, Like it felt like it
Speaker 1: didn't feature him then, not for nothing, like the transitions
Speaker 1: between like the bits were very lazy, they were not
Speaker 1: like that. Nothing had like no no sketch they did
Speaker 1: was blacked out adore sam j but like was she
Speaker 1: was hosting more than Keenan was, and that was looking
Speaker 1: using the constant cuts to a voice that the audience
Speaker 1: couldn't see, like she was not cue correctly, like the
Speaker 1: presenters were at the mic while she was still doing
Speaker 1: like announcer bits. Like it just was. It was not
Speaker 1: done well and so that was vert to watch. People
Speaker 1: all deserved a better, a better produced show in the
Speaker 1: control room. Um, the writers did a great job. I
Speaker 1: from what I know, I feel like the dance routine
Speaker 1: was like thrown at them at the last minute and
Speaker 1: it was a thing. Yeah, and I'm sure Keenan wasn't
Speaker 1: that thrilled about it. I think he was so charming
Speaker 1: throughout the show. It just felt like that opening took
Speaker 1: something from him. And then the way we went into
Speaker 1: the first award was like so bizarre, And that was
Speaker 1: my big global note on the whole thing was I
Speaker 1: was just like, why do I feel like we're like
Speaker 1: racing to start this show? And then the way the
Speaker 1: way that the dance montage in the beginning ended felt
Speaker 1: like it didn't have a finale? Did I feel like
Speaker 1: that in the room for it to start with friends
Speaker 1: with such a weird thing, and then I think it
Speaker 1: went to Brady bench the law and ordered dance really
Speaker 1: threw me out the window. I was like, of course
Speaker 1: these people with guns that should have been I don't Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was well. First of all,
Speaker 1: I we we had terrible seats. We had no monitor
Speaker 1: in our view. We didn't know what was being we
Speaker 1: didn't know what was being shown to people at home,
Speaker 1: um or or like, had no context for what was
Speaker 1: happening in other sections of the theater. I mean, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the risk they took where it's like club seating
Speaker 1: for one half and then like row seating for the
Speaker 1: other half, but it was very hard. There was no center.
Speaker 1: There was no center, There was no central place to
Speaker 1: look at for people in the room and for people
Speaker 1: at home. I'm sure it was just oriented and I
Speaker 1: will say I want to be like, who's this for?
Speaker 1: Who is this for? It's not the people in the room.
Speaker 1: It's not for the people at home. It's just so
Speaker 1: that like a production designer can be like, well I
Speaker 1: tried out an idea. No that's not that's not worth it.
Speaker 1: But we have to talk about miss Leah mr Leah Michelle,
Speaker 1: who we hope is recovering quickly from COVID. Wow, but
Speaker 1: also like so many wait background bone and I didn't
Speaker 1: so great. I mean, you know, so we saw her
Speaker 1: a second night, like and really great performance. I mean
Speaker 1: the production we we had we had notes on the
Speaker 1: stage and we got notes this episode. But I think
Speaker 1: they're good notes. They're good notes and where and they're
Speaker 1: with good intention. We're not drags. We're not they're not dragging. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You you at one point you like I could feel
Speaker 1: you short of tensing up next to me in your seat,
Speaker 1: and you just lurge forward and go I cannot stand
Speaker 1: the staging. I go. I was like, this makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't see it. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It doesn't show was set so far back it's set
Speaker 1: so far upstaged some of it, like they just they
Speaker 1: if you're sitting on the sides, like in stage left
Speaker 1: or right, like you were cut off from so much
Speaker 1: of the show, wild wild, and so maybe get a
Speaker 1: mezzanine seat. Honestly, if you go see it, because then
Speaker 1: you're guaranteed a good view, you'll see everything. Um, Leah
Speaker 1: was wonderful. She was great. Yeah, the energy of that
Speaker 1: show you could tell had shifted considerably and that the
Speaker 1: people on stage were excited that they were doing it
Speaker 1: before they were like, oh my god, our work is
Speaker 1: being recognized. Like people are leaping out of their seats.
Speaker 1: There were five standing ovations at the show we were at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had five. We had two in the same song,
Speaker 1: which I don't think happened the first night. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was Um she was almost to the all the way
Speaker 1: to the end of Don't Ring on My Braide and
Speaker 1: there was a massive standing ovation, and then she sang
Speaker 1: like the last truly seconds of it, and there was
Speaker 1: another standing ovation, but deserved both deserved. Um gosh, Tovah
Speaker 1: felt show was so good. She did a fabulous job also,
Speaker 1: and I mean the whole cast was great. I mean
Speaker 1: it's but there was a couple of moments where it's true.
Speaker 1: It's just like, again, we need to look at this
Speaker 1: like and this when you have a performer like that
Speaker 1: can actually sing people stage people like it's the moment,
Speaker 1: for God's sakes. The way it's staged is the two
Speaker 1: of them sitting at a table stage right, and that
Speaker 1: Leah and that Fanny gets up and like brushes his
Speaker 1: shoulder behind him as she crosses slightly closer to center
Speaker 1: but not center stage. It makes zero fucking sense to me.
Speaker 1: And it's people. It's people, it's people. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I literally did last night? Literally last night for
Speaker 1: some reason, I think I was just stoned, like being
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I watched Barbara's the movie version of People.
Speaker 1: Watch that. Literally. I understand they didn't want to rip
Speaker 1: anything that like Barbara was doing or from the movie.
Speaker 1: And I get that the stage production is different than
Speaker 1: the movie, but it's the same fucking song. And whether
Speaker 1: you want to admit it or not, people are coming
Speaker 1: in with an expectation when using people, and so they
Speaker 1: could have taken so many little cues from the movie
Speaker 1: version of it. Bo And I'm telling you and readers,
Speaker 1: stop this right now. Watched the movie version of People
Speaker 1: with Barbara a fucking legend, and the way it's stage
Speaker 1: is small and intimate because it takes place on the street,
Speaker 1: but it still feels romance, like an emotional and big
Speaker 1: because she's realizing for the very first time, she's actually
Speaker 1: going to acknowledge the fact that she wants a connection
Speaker 1: with someone else because she might maybe be good enough
Speaker 1: for them. Like it is such a big moment, and
Speaker 1: they just like they let it just happen in the show,
Speaker 1: even with Leah. And they did change some other things,
Speaker 1: like the music that makes me dance, Like they used
Speaker 1: to cut off at the end, which drove me nuts
Speaker 1: because I guess the actress is playing the part really
Speaker 1: couldn't do the final note justice or maybe it was
Speaker 1: just a choice. Yeah, just like it's it's it's wild
Speaker 1: and like and it's a very hard song and very
Speaker 1: like you know, but but Leah like nailed it, and
Speaker 1: they changed that for her. They changed the arrangement of
Speaker 1: that and that staging. They also changed, you know, like
Speaker 1: several other things from the first time I had seen it,
Speaker 1: but not enough to make it be like, yes, this
Speaker 1: is a knockout production that lives up to her talent
Speaker 1: in the part, because some of the staging was giving
Speaker 1: high school sorry tough tough with a Tony winning like
Speaker 1: legendary director. I will say that I feel like who
Speaker 1: Are You Now? At least in the I listen to
Speaker 1: the Oh, I listened to the to the to the
Speaker 1: Barbara Broadway version of who Are You Now? And honestly,
Speaker 1: can I say they turn it into a duet between
Speaker 1: Fanny and Nick, and watching Leah and Ramen do that
Speaker 1: together was really really special. I really loved that. That
Speaker 1: was a good choice. I don't have much context for
Speaker 1: funny girl. Um, this is my first iteration of seeing it,
Speaker 1: which I which is kind of crazy. So I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like say too many make too
Speaker 1: many statements about it, but um, that was really really great.
Speaker 1: And there's a line in the in the book which
Speaker 1: is Fanny sort of saying to Nick, actually it's right
Speaker 1: before people, which kind of drove me nuts for her
Speaker 1: because like, Okay, so there's this moment where it's like
Speaker 1: Fannie and Nick and you know, he's like meeting her
Speaker 1: family and all her friends right where she lives, and
Speaker 1: you know they're having like a little flirty moment before
Speaker 1: she's launches into fucking people, and she says something like
Speaker 1: I haven't read many books, and the whole audience like
Speaker 1: including this one loser, like like ten Rose behind us
Speaker 1: was literally doing that thing where it's like very audibly
Speaker 1: like quote unquote trying not to laugh, and it's like
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: going to be contagious now, like freaking COVID or something,
Speaker 1: because everyone just started laughing so much. And again, like
Speaker 1: not to revisit my point last week, because I get
Speaker 1: that people disagree with me, but I just don't think
Speaker 1: this bit that she can't read is funny. Like I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's funny. It just doesn't make me laugh,
Speaker 1: even if it were done in and presented a more
Speaker 1: clever way, And it certainly doesn't make me laugh to
Speaker 1: like laugh at her expense when she said she doesn't
Speaker 1: like the Joe up there, not that she needs protecting anymore,
Speaker 1: she's fine, but like, I don't know, like at what
Speaker 1: point are we just gonna like retired this bit just
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's a good bit. I think
Speaker 1: I think it's reached. It's sort of you would hope.
Speaker 1: I think it's sort of reach critical mass and now
Speaker 1: we're like out of it, hopefully. I think what happened
Speaker 1: was since the first night. Al So, all this ship
Speaker 1: from the first night comes out in tweets and stuff
Speaker 1: where that you know, these fucking idiots are recording the show,
Speaker 1: whether it's audio or video, but someone recorded that part. Well.
Speaker 1: I saw the tweet the day we were going to
Speaker 1: go see the show, like the morning after, and people
Speaker 1: were like, there were gasps and chuckles at the line
Speaker 1: I don't read many books. And then of course Twitter
Speaker 1: loves that ship, and then um, the audio gets released
Speaker 1: where people are like little little little tiny lass audible,
Speaker 1: but then they move on. It was a full laugh
Speaker 1: line in our show, and our show was a full
Speaker 1: laugh line, I think because people might have picked up
Speaker 1: on that. I don't know how online our audience was,
Speaker 1: but um, I think maybe there was that expect like
Speaker 1: people were sort of like white knuckling until that line maybe,
Speaker 1: and then just to see how she would react from
Speaker 1: what I could see, and maybe it's because our view
Speaker 1: of the stage was shipped. Because of the stage, we
Speaker 1: can see her face. I think she kind of gave
Speaker 1: a little wink not a literal wink, but she like
Speaker 1: smirked and smiled and laughed through it, and so I
Speaker 1: think she was she was showing the audience that she
Speaker 1: was okay with the joke, that she was going to
Speaker 1: laugh at her own expense and have a sense of
Speaker 1: humor about the whole thing. And then Ramen playing Nick
Speaker 1: also kind of broken laughed and the two of them
Speaker 1: were laughing together. So it gave permission for the entire
Speaker 1: audience to uproariously build to a laugh. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what happened, And what I was seeing was she
Speaker 1: says it some like knuckleheads in the audience started laughing.
Speaker 1: It became a thing, and then rum in like, I mean,
Speaker 1: however you pronounce it. Um. He sort of leaned into
Speaker 1: it because he didn't know how to ignore it, and
Speaker 1: he was like, well, this is now a uh, it's
Speaker 1: now a laugh line, Like I have to wait because
Speaker 1: like we need to and then um, she said something
Speaker 1: like you want me to read your line for you?
Speaker 1: She said something like that stepped out of the character,
Speaker 1: and um, I think it was weird, like he was
Speaker 1: trying to walk a line like being there for her
Speaker 1: and acknowledging that she might feel a certain way about
Speaker 1: people in the audience doing that, but also trying to
Speaker 1: preserve the moment as a performer and honor the response
Speaker 1: it was getting, and also like potentially like wrestling with
Speaker 1: the fact that she's gonna want to move past this moment.
Speaker 1: And she did. That's why she said something I see
Speaker 1: that makes sense, and she did, and she sings people
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's blocking aside, it's great, and
Speaker 1: then um, the rest of the show, she's having fun.
Speaker 1: And then she was great. She was great. She was
Speaker 1: it was really special. And I went in pretty ambivalent
Speaker 1: about Leah. I of course she's a terrible person, or
Speaker 1: she was in the recent past. But I think she
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's meaningful that she's back on
Speaker 1: Broadway and that she seems very at curtain call. It
Speaker 1: seems like this whole cast really really likes her and
Speaker 1: that she likes and she likes them back. And I
Speaker 1: feel like working in a show like Glee that is
Speaker 1: just toxic all around for whatever reason, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: like you don't know if it comes from her or
Speaker 1: she's receiving it and she's kind of deflecting it outward.
Speaker 1: I'm not making excuses for her behavior, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: that maybe she's more in her natural environment in theater,
Speaker 1: in her dream role. Yeah, I don't think she should
Speaker 1: try to go back to television or movies. I think
Speaker 1: she should stay in theater. I think it's like clearly
Speaker 1: where she stands out the most and where she is
Speaker 1: the most effective, because you can watch her on TV
Speaker 1: and sing that these Glee songs and it can't maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't really register, like you understand she's a great singer,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't actually register that she's like a very
Speaker 1: special stage presence, whereas it's clear as day with this.
Speaker 1: I also think that you know, and I understand that,
Speaker 1: like the allegations about what she did and like on
Speaker 1: the set of Glee are really tough, and you know
Speaker 1: she's there must be something to the fact that, like
Speaker 1: they're all in this toxic atmosphere working on this show.
Speaker 1: There's so many people with such real dark problems and
Speaker 1: they're pretending to be in high school, so that has
Speaker 1: to like, and they're also like in I just had
Speaker 1: a four and a half hour dance rehearsal and I
Speaker 1: turned to Zane and I was like, can you imagine
Speaker 1: being on Glee and he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know, and like like basically embodying a high school
Speaker 1: character her and being in such close proximity all the
Speaker 1: time and working like that. I'm not making any excuses
Speaker 1: for anyone's behavior, but I can see how people acted
Speaker 1: like fucking shitty like and I think it's like because
Speaker 1: people have so much fun with the persona of like
Speaker 1: how annoying a character like Rachel Barry is and that
Speaker 1: is like Liam Michelle and you know, the someone spilled
Speaker 1: sauce of it all, like it's funny to make jokes
Speaker 1: at her expense. Still, it's it's iconic, I mean, like
Speaker 1: and the fact that that was a real, true, genuine
Speaker 1: story from first person account holder, you know, Michelle Collins
Speaker 1: just something I will never forget. But and it's worth
Speaker 1: a real listen to someone spilled sauce the episode with
Speaker 1: Michelle Collins to hear this Liam Michelle story. But that
Speaker 1: being said, like you know, she is where she belongs
Speaker 1: on that stage, playing that part, and the show really
Speaker 1: worked because of her, and a show like that needs
Speaker 1: someone like that. And also we do need to get
Speaker 1: excited about theater again because let me tell you so
Speaker 1: much of it is so bad. Yeah, this is what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say. I didn't really want to didn't
Speaker 1: care to talk about the illiteracy stuff. But um, I
Speaker 1: turned to you at one point, I think it was
Speaker 1: during intermission. I go, you know, she's doing she's giving
Speaker 1: you just enough barber impression. She's not she's not doing
Speaker 1: the she she wasn't doing the i'll say, the beanny
Speaker 1: thing of turning the other direction and trying not to
Speaker 1: touch the barber thing at all, which I think is
Speaker 1: like all she was able to do. Um. But you
Speaker 1: said to me, well, it's the thing. I was listening
Speaker 1: to an episode of Everything Iconic with Danny Pellegrino where
Speaker 1: he was interviewing Johnny Benson interview everyone. You should go
Speaker 1: listen to that. I gotta listen to it. But, um,
Speaker 1: you you told me that she says that whenever she sings,
Speaker 1: whenever she sings part of your role live or on
Speaker 1: a re recording or something, she always does the same
Speaker 1: exact things things, the same exact timing, the takes the
Speaker 1: same breath, that the same places whatever. Um. Because people
Speaker 1: are so attached to that song, if you change to
Speaker 1: just a little, they get a little perturbed. They sort
Speaker 1: of don't like it. Maybe, well, and it's interesting that
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you say that, like days before the
Speaker 1: Little Mermaid teaser comes out, but yeah, go ahead, Well
Speaker 1: you know what's funny about that, like and it's a
Speaker 1: great interview. So I don't want to repeat verbatim what
Speaker 1: was said, because you should check out his podcast to
Speaker 1: listen to it. But basically, the sense I get is
Speaker 1: that when she was working on that song with Howard Ashman,
Speaker 1: he said something to the effect of, like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: really work this and it's gonna sound like Ariel. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna sound like Jody, and you might not like
Speaker 1: the way it sounds at the end. And then you know,
Speaker 1: this being back in the day when the first time
Speaker 1: you can see yourself your performance in the movie, like
Speaker 1: you didn't get cuts of it beforehand, Like she went
Speaker 1: to the premier, sat down and she saw Ariel sing
Speaker 1: the songs, and then she was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: And you know, you might not like those performances as
Speaker 1: a singer, because it's a lot of speak singing and
Speaker 1: some of it is a little pitchy or flat, just
Speaker 1: based on human emotion, which is why I think some
Speaker 1: of these musicals um can feel a little canned because
Speaker 1: literally the sound is like it's so perfected in the
Speaker 1: studios that you lose the humanity of the human voice
Speaker 1: of the character. And so in how that connects to
Speaker 1: Funny Girl and you talking about this Barbara quote unquote
Speaker 1: impression or the effect that is the strange ending, right,
Speaker 1: This woman who was next to me when when we
Speaker 1: sat down in our seats, so someone who's next to me,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a thing of like she recognized us
Speaker 1: or whatever. This older woman like probably sixty five years old,
Speaker 1: not older, you know, older than us. She turns to
Speaker 1: me and she just goes, I am so excited. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, my gosh, are you a fan of
Speaker 1: the movie? She goes, this has been my favorite movie
Speaker 1: since I was a little girl. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you must be so excited. She goes, I have waited
Speaker 1: years for them to bring this to Broadway. And throughout
Speaker 1: the I checked them with her again and intermission I
Speaker 1: said that you have in the time of your life.
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm so happy, and you know, she
Speaker 1: was so happy the whole time. And I was like,
Speaker 1: there is something too. I understand, no one can copy
Speaker 1: Barbara and no one can necessarily be that, and that's
Speaker 1: ultimately why you might want to try to go to
Speaker 1: a different way. But when people buy a ticket to
Speaker 1: a show like this or want to experience something like
Speaker 1: The Little Mermaid, they want the they want what they remember,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they want they wanted
Speaker 1: to feel reverent and like it's like calling back to something,
Speaker 1: because that is what taps into the emotion. That is
Speaker 1: what gets people to come up to you know, Jody
Speaker 1: Benson after she sings a performance and say thank you
Speaker 1: so much. You'll never know what this means to me.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of my mother my father a time.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a really important like you know,
Speaker 1: my mother, I say on this podcast all the time,
Speaker 1: raised me on this like and when I took my
Speaker 1: mom and my aunt to see the show for Mother's Day,
Speaker 1: like and like I said, I saw an understudy who
Speaker 1: was lovely and great and good at the part, but
Speaker 1: but was not a stage superstar. So when you see
Speaker 1: someone do that and deliver that material, it's meaning ful
Speaker 1: for people, you know what I mean. This is a
Speaker 1: piece that means something to people, which is why I
Speaker 1: think there's so much controversy outside of just the fact
Speaker 1: that it's like fun, diva, Broadway drama, whatever, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's newsworthy because this piece means something to people. It
Speaker 1: created an American icon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it has
Speaker 1: that same destructive power to Yes, it's like that's a
Speaker 1: crazy thing. That's the thing that like we didn't realize
Speaker 1: until it happened. Is that like, oh ship, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like exactly what you're saying is that the people's people's
Speaker 1: attachment to this is so powerful. Yes, that it will
Speaker 1: it will just truly like breed conflict and like you know,
Speaker 1: drama and all this stuff. But um, yeah, it's God.
Speaker 1: I really do need to listen to the Jodie Benson
Speaker 1: interview because it's so you told me about this thing
Speaker 1: that like she wasn't sure about the notes that that
Speaker 1: Howard was giving her. And but meanwhile, that's so funny
Speaker 1: because as an audience member and as like someone who
Speaker 1: grew up on that movie, you go, I was just
Speaker 1: listening to the song. I mean, I've been listening to
Speaker 1: Part of Your World on repeat since that trip, since
Speaker 1: that teaser dropped. But um, just you know, what's so iconic,
Speaker 1: ready to know what the people know, like just like
Speaker 1: how just kind of drops down into the humanity, the
Speaker 1: humanity of that. And Um, I told you this right
Speaker 1: speaking of Barbara. Um I was watching some like a
Speaker 1: little featurette for the Aladdin DVD when this came out,
Speaker 1: like in two thousand and three, I want to say,
Speaker 1: but they did a featurette on it was Howard Ashman's
Speaker 1: last movie. Um, and they talk about Howard's like these
Speaker 1: amazing Howard moments and that he first started to get
Speaker 1: really sick when Beauty and the Beast was getting recorded, right, um,
Speaker 1: and he Jo'hara's in the booth singing, um something there
Speaker 1: that wasn't there before whatever the yeah whatever whatever it's called.
Speaker 1: Um and she sings new end up it a lot
Speaker 1: arming or new and a bit alarming or something. That's
Speaker 1: what it is. She sings that, And then they get
Speaker 1: Howard on the phone and Howard is can barely speak,
Speaker 1: is so sick and he can only give like a
Speaker 1: couple of words. You can only communicate in a couple
Speaker 1: of words at a time. But um Ali says over
Speaker 1: the phone is streisand streisand and they're like what does
Speaker 1: he mean? What does he mean? And then pages like
Speaker 1: I think I know what he means, and then she
Speaker 1: goes new and deepid alarming, like scoops up like that
Speaker 1: and the way that Barbara would. And then Howard's like
Speaker 1: that's what, that's it, that's it, and I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: never forgotten that story, and like he can just tap
Speaker 1: into something. Not only not only can he write lyrics
Speaker 1: like what he fucking writes, what he what he wrote
Speaker 1: in his life, but he can give such like notes
Speaker 1: like that that are that are so specific and so impactful,
Speaker 1: like think about like they make the song, they make
Speaker 1: the song. He was a true storyteller, I mean, and
Speaker 1: that is such a great loss. And you really do
Speaker 1: feel the difference. I mean, like, you know, twenty three
Speaker 1: just happened, and god it was so rough, but uh,
Speaker 1: they brought Ariana Debos out to play She's going to
Speaker 1: play a new like a Disney Princess in a new
Speaker 1: two D movie, Wish, and she sang the song and
Speaker 1: the song is by Julia Michaels and the song is
Speaker 1: a good song, but it's not a Disney magic song,
Speaker 1: you know. And even in um Hallie Bailey's version of it,
Speaker 1: like and when she when she did the big she
Speaker 1: has that little riff. I actually I had to, like
Speaker 1: I had to check myself because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't like that on instinct, but then I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: but in context, we haven't heard it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Maybe she is going to give vocal that
Speaker 1: travels different places and that will be interesting, but it's
Speaker 1: going to be up to us to all, like, as
Speaker 1: big fans of this incredible landmark song, the greatest Disney
Speaker 1: song on history, to check ourselves and be like give
Speaker 1: it a chance, which is why it's even like Braver
Speaker 1: and Boulder to play this part, like, because there is
Speaker 1: one arial that we remember, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be crazy, but we're all gonna have
Speaker 1: to like really take a deep breath before part of
Speaker 1: your world comes on and pouring unfortunate souls and all
Speaker 1: those numbers. You know totally, but you're so right, We've
Speaker 1: only known one arial. Yeah, yeah, and it's but I
Speaker 1: I will say, and it's really special. Just I feel
Speaker 1: like the response to that teaser is overwhelmingly positive. It's positive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I truly I took my breath away.
Speaker 1: I had a similar response where I had to go,
Speaker 1: did I like that be I think I did, but
Speaker 1: I immediately thought back to that Jody Benson thing where
Speaker 1: I was like, this is why I know why I
Speaker 1: might not like it. But I think, like you said,
Speaker 1: I need to listen to it in context because I
Speaker 1: feel like the movie is doing from from from what
Speaker 1: you're seeing in this teaser. I feel like it will
Speaker 1: have a really nice balance between honoring the visuals, the
Speaker 1: original visuals. I feel like I look at some of
Speaker 1: these shots, I'm like, oh, it looks like it looks
Speaker 1: like from the movie, from the original movie. It's an
Speaker 1: attachment that we have, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like it's just hard, so strong, it's so strong. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like you live your whole life with one
Speaker 1: mom and then you're like, hey, we rebooted your mom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is your mom. No, this is your mom. You
Speaker 1: just just doesn't look or sound like her, but it's her.
Speaker 1: Hug her, hug her, now love her. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: no way. And it's just very hard. But I will
Speaker 1: say this, she looks and sounds fucking fab perfect and
Speaker 1: she will be stunning and the way she's looking up
Speaker 1: at that at that crest of the ocean, Honey, the
Speaker 1: way that she looks up untail. She wants to be
Speaker 1: part of the world. I said, I really hope she does.
Speaker 1: And it snow spoilers, but I think it will end
Speaker 1: really happy for Ariel. Oh my god, really what spoilers.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, based on source material and some
Speaker 1: things I've been hearing, I think that the Little might
Speaker 1: end very happy for Ariel. W I hope so wink
Speaker 1: wink what I hope so too, Queena. I hope so
Speaker 1: too Queena. When she I mean, when Halley comes in
Speaker 1: with out like she she gives it some volume and
Speaker 1: it's really good. I think it's chotic. I actually love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, come on, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: because I have to go to a fitting. Okay, but
Speaker 1: very quickly I should say, Okay, the Jetta bush Hagar
Speaker 1: stuff with the Queen's death timeline is crazy. Didn't talk
Speaker 1: about the queen. You want to know why. It's because
Speaker 1: the Leam Michelle, a literacy meme has taken up more
Speaker 1: media space on period. My god, that's not true period,
Speaker 1: But okay, so Jennial Shaker was at was at some
Speaker 1: castle with Charles King Charles now Charles and Camilla the
Speaker 1: night before the Queen passed away and they had a
Speaker 1: great time whatever, But the timelines don't match up with
Speaker 1: when she showed up to their castle to do an
Speaker 1: interview the next day, and when Charles and Camilla were
Speaker 1: whisked away on a helicopter to go to bell Moral.
Speaker 1: And there's some interesting things going on there with the
Speaker 1: release of the information of when the queen passed away.
Speaker 1: And so it's just so funny to me that are
Speaker 1: our friend Jana Bushaker j B H two asked if
Speaker 1: she could come to Fire Island with us. Um is
Speaker 1: a part of this now, as a part of this
Speaker 1: global historic death. Anything you want to say about the
Speaker 1: queen slay what about you? It's so shocking, like you
Speaker 1: really realize, like how what a different world they live
Speaker 1: in that they are. There are people that are in
Speaker 1: their nineties who for their entire life, every single day
Speaker 1: of their life, they were told to worship this person
Speaker 1: and now this person has gone, so of course they're
Speaker 1: in morning. I mean, like she lived so long as
Speaker 1: like a deity in that country. But wow, I couldn't
Speaker 1: care less, you know what I mean, not just like
Speaker 1: not that, not that I couldn't care less that a
Speaker 1: human person is dead, but it's just wild to buy
Speaker 1: into something just because of a bloodline, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And these people are so disgusting, like Prince
Speaker 1: Andrew still hanging out like these people are gross now
Speaker 1: the king is King Charles Andrew. Prince Andrew has the Corgis.
Speaker 1: Andrew and Fergie have the corgies. This is so awful
Speaker 1: to me, those dogs with that fucking monster, these people
Speaker 1: and honestly, like down to the bone like all of them,
Speaker 1: they're just like they're so entitled and wretched and it
Speaker 1: is built on colonialism. And I understand that the Queen
Speaker 1: became a figurehead and tried to move the country through
Speaker 1: with dignity and grace, etcetera. And I get that a
Speaker 1: lot of people care and have a different cultural view
Speaker 1: on this than me, but like, wow, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: you have to end up like you have to call
Speaker 1: it like you see at a certain point, and they're
Speaker 1: just like the Prince Andrew of it all for me,
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's sure, if it wasn't, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't the toxic, disgusting way this country establishes itself all
Speaker 1: around the world and colonizes. Then it's that not to
Speaker 1: be like too good for it all. But like also, honey,
Speaker 1: like it is what it is. We're we're we're stepping
Speaker 1: on my I don't think so, honey, But okay, do
Speaker 1: it will hold on, hold on, no, no no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: hold on. But I will say that I think the
Speaker 1: reason what you're saying about these nine year olds who
Speaker 1: have worshiped this person and this maybe this family their
Speaker 1: whole lives, that is important because that is it is
Speaker 1: a loss of meaning for so many people in that
Speaker 1: country and around the world. Let's say, and so they
Speaker 1: and therefore, and I don't think it's attachment. His majesty, King,
Speaker 1: his Highness, King Charles is the person to like make
Speaker 1: sure this gets upheld. He that he will not uphold
Speaker 1: the meaning of this because he's a flower peop don't
Speaker 1: people don't like him. And also he's just like it's
Speaker 1: just it's just it's it's just not gonna work. People
Speaker 1: are not going to hang the same amount of meaning,
Speaker 1: absolutely not onto that man. No, he has been maligned
Speaker 1: by so many people for so long. I saw this
Speaker 1: video like they were there was like I think it
Speaker 1: was like BBC or whatever, like in the streets, just
Speaker 1: asking people how they felt about the passing of the queen,
Speaker 1: and this one girl was like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's sad when anyone gets to that point, Um, she's passed.
Speaker 1: But also like I'm not a fan of the queen
Speaker 1: or the monarchy, and like why because if they have
Speaker 1: to ask why at this point, I don't know. The colonization,
Speaker 1: the Prince Andrew stuff is a little weird, like she
Speaker 1: stops sort of saying any Diana stuff. But like also
Speaker 1: that like any depiction of them, like you're not gonna
Speaker 1: love Charles after it because he's shitty, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like she was very important to them because I think
Speaker 1: in many ways, like she was keeping a pretty divided country,
Speaker 1: like arguably more so than our country, like kind of
Speaker 1: together at least in like a cultural fabric that hadn't
Speaker 1: been ripped apart yet. But Charles is extremely polarizing. I mean,
Speaker 1: like perhaps even more polarizing effect on the country is
Speaker 1: just like you know, ascended to the throne. So yeah,
Speaker 1: do you want to hear I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Chris it's on theme. You go first, Sure, I'll go first. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I guess what everyone this is iconic Bowen Yang's I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, And as time says, now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, g Q putting it a story
Speaker 1: that calls King Charles the third up men where icon
Speaker 1: and he's been one for ages. Let's please not do this. Okay.
Speaker 1: The man grew up with argyle bolts of clothing around him.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to like find it for himself. Someone
Speaker 1: gave those things to him. He was given a roll X,
Speaker 1: he was given a Longene's watch, he was given the stuff. Okay.
Speaker 1: He did not have to curate this for himself. And
Speaker 1: he needs all the help he can get to distract
Speaker 1: from that crazy face he has. It's crazy. Please, let's
Speaker 1: not do this. Let's not call him a style icon.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be called that. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be called that. He does any of this. Let's
Speaker 1: just like be a little bit more sparing with us.
Speaker 1: I mean that this is this is where the word
Speaker 1: icon is sort of hit its peak and the nator
Speaker 1: like we're we're going downhill from here. No more use
Speaker 1: the word icon that applies to us. I'm sorry that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's one minute. I'm so sorry. I take it back.
Speaker 1: You're not an icon, I take it back, thank you.
Speaker 1: And you're not an icon either. You're an icon consort.
Speaker 1: I'm the camilla to the icon. You're the camilla to
Speaker 1: icon status. You're we We are both icon consorts. Actually
Speaker 1: it's really culture number twelve. We are both consorts. I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable with that. I'm very comfortable with that. Oh God, okay,
Speaker 1: I have one I must do. Here we go. This
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honyes time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. No Bravo in Canada. Okay,
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do with any second of
Speaker 1: my life? That's not working. I'm here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada,
Speaker 1: and you can't get Bravo here. I guess they just
Speaker 1: don't know who Erica Jane even is. So how do
Speaker 1: they know how to commisserate in the streets about how
Speaker 1: evil she has become? I don't think so honey that
Speaker 1: I've watched The Real Housewives Ever Atlanta reunion. I can't
Speaker 1: weigh in on the seating chart. I can't tell you
Speaker 1: if Shari. Sorry, say not got my Shari Rays confused.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you or you know Marlowe deserved to
Speaker 1: be next to next to Andy at three Union. I
Speaker 1: don't know how they're presenting the drama of the season.
Speaker 1: I have not seen anything. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do over the next two weeks. We got big
Speaker 1: Asthment episodes and I gotta watch him the next day.
Speaker 1: Usually I do that on Peacock. But I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you something. I don't think you want to know Peacock.
Speaker 1: In Canada, you can't even get the cock. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to search high, low, and far to try to
Speaker 1: download on iTunes, like it's the year nineteen o two.
Speaker 1: Downloading on iTunes, I don't think so. Honey, no Bravo,
Speaker 1: that's no Bravo and that's one minute, honey, v P
Speaker 1: and get the VPN on the computer. Everything here is
Speaker 1: on something called Crave. And it was so funny because
Speaker 1: during the Emmys it was like congratulations to Crave on
Speaker 1: their staggering amount of nominations more than any other network.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, mama, there's no other Everything. It's like
Speaker 1: Crave is like water. It's like there's no alternative to it.
Speaker 1: It's like you gotta drink water. You can do drink milk.
Speaker 1: Milk doesn't have any nominations this year. Water has all
Speaker 1: the nominations every year. It's so sad from milk. It's
Speaker 1: not the nineties anymore. Boo damn. They had their momentum
Speaker 1: getta VPN and then to watch it on. I'll teach
Speaker 1: you how to do it. Teach me how to do it,
Speaker 1: Teach me how to doug you, teach me, teach me
Speaker 1: how to tug you, and teach me how to tug you.
Speaker 1: Teach me teach me how to juggy um you want
Speaker 1: to end? Every episode of the songs has been an
Speaker 1: iconic culture Sorry, but really good culture. Catch up, really
Speaker 1: good culture catch up. Yes, let's end. It must have
Speaker 1: been cold in my shop, sad. It's never you context
Speaker 1: to let me sh that's your way. You always walked,
Speaker 1: step be hid. Did you ever know let? Oh? No, no,
Speaker 1: never be? Did you ever know? You're every good you
Speaker 1: need me? I could fly you go because you are
Speaker 1: the one. The wind may my. That one goes out
Speaker 1: to all of the EMS producers. Bye bye,