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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. It is Wednesday, October seventh, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and it is time, Donks for Morning Combat. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 2: my name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of

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Speaker 2: your hosting duo. I am joined by the gentleman on

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Speaker 2: the other side of the screen. No bigger fan in

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Speaker 2: the world of MK dissector than him, the conspiracy to

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Speaker 2: my theory, my friend in yours, Connecticut's king not named Apathy,

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Speaker 2: the one and only Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, how are

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Speaker 2: you good? Sir?

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Speaker 1: Luke? As you already know, I've got a tongue like

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Speaker 1: a razor, a sweet switchblade knife, and I tell it

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Speaker 1: like it is even to your passive aggressiveness. I heard

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Speaker 1: rumors going around. Someone close to the show has found

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Speaker 1: out that you don't believe that I support non BC

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Speaker 1: MK products on the same level that I do. Well.

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Speaker 1: We cook up live every Monday, Wednesday Friday. Luke, do

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Speaker 1: you like apples? Because I got a number, I retweeted

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Speaker 1: the damn dissected, so city cock boxing all day every day,

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Speaker 2: Yes, And the reason might have the only reason I

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Speaker 1: But yes, and that person who put the bug in

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Speaker 1: my ear was actually you, Luke. Okay, but congratulations you're

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Speaker 1: you're dissected on Izzy. I hear Luke because I got

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Speaker 1: texted about it by you every hour that it's our

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Speaker 2: It's not. It's second most behind the kobeb dissected that

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Speaker 1: Who's counting, right, who's counting?

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Speaker 2: You know? I mean, who would look at these metrics?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Nevertheless, we have a lot to get

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Speaker 2: a few news and notes. People have been asking, are

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Speaker 1: And because we'll make errors, you know, every other day,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, so we'll do that. But today we

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about Deontay Wilder firing the coach who

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Speaker 2: you're doing with mister Boogs. It's the boxing hardcores.

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Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, boxing hardcore, not the regular fans. As

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Speaker 1: Luke nobody, nobody.

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Speaker 2: Very true. All right, So if you would like, uh,

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Speaker 1: Stepe enough to make him want to do this right now.

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Speaker 1: But what about those rumors that Dana was thrown out

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Speaker 1: Poier and Connor McGregor that could certainly swoop in and

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Speaker 1: save the day without question, Luke, I wouldn't want or

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Speaker 1: Right, But Connor's gonna be nobody's comin event. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: It was a it was a it was a grip trainer.

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Speaker 2: He gave me a grip trainer. Yeah. No, I mean

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Speaker 2: But you know, one to eighty five. I mean, Luke

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Speaker 2: Tony Ferguson. It's simply not true. Last thing on us,

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Speaker 2: Now after the fight, Fury, excuse me. After the fight,

428
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Speaker 2: Wilder was very unhappy with that and said so vocally,

429
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Speaker 2: although he did at the time say, you know, Brilin

430
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,399
Speaker 2: would still be welcomed in the camp. Jay Dias was

431
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Speaker 2: critical about it, taking Wilder's back, and I guess at

432
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Speaker 2: first they tried to make it work and then in

433
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Speaker 2: the end they couldn't. What is your takeaway from Wilder

434
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Speaker 2: firing Breland before the remat excuse me? The trilogy fight,

435
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 2: which may take place either December or January.

436
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Speaker 1: We believe you know your knee jerk reaction is say

437
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,480
Speaker 1: like this is wrong. This feels like it's it's a

438
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Speaker 1: million percent wrong move. Not only is Mark Breelan who

439
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 1: was you know, I don't know the percentage. You know

440
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 1: that he gets co trainers of fifty to fifty, but

441
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 1: in some forms, you know, he's the guy who brings

442
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 1: the credentials. He's one of the greatest amateur fighters of

443
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Speaker 1: all time. Oh and by the way, he had a

444
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 1: pretty good pro career too, and was a world champion.

445
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,199
Speaker 1: Here's a guy. When you're looking at Wilder, I know

446
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 1: he's the blood and guts warrior. I know he's the

447
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: guy who can win a fight at any time. But

448
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 1: Brelan was able to bring the quiet, sort of technical

449
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 1: side of it, and that those are some of the

450
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: holes in Deontay's game that you would think need well rounding.

451
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Speaker 1: So you mix that with the idea of this was

452
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Speaker 1: the guy who was trying to protect your future. You

453
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 1: weren't winning that Fury rematch. Fury was walking you down.

454
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Speaker 1: We find out after the Wilder had an injury on

455
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 1: his bicep from surgery. You know, he was worn down

456
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 1: from wearing the ridiculous costume there's a lot that was

457
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Speaker 1: just a bad night at the office. So your knee

458
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: jerk reaction is to say, you're getting rid of the

459
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Speaker 1: one guy in that camp who had your best interests.

460
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Speaker 1: But obviously Luke. Anytime there's a divorce or a spat,

461
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Speaker 1: a domestic issue, and you know, I'm calling this meaning

462
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: a family here of this domestic family team Wilder, you

463
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: never really know what goes on behind the scenes. So

464
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Speaker 1: I do give credence to what Wilder's manager, Shelly Finkel

465
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: said when he came out and was like, look, nobody

466
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Speaker 1: can act like they're in the gym day to day,

467
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Speaker 1: and that there's not more reasons for Mark Breeland's exit

468
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: than just he's the guy that threw in the towel.

469
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Speaker 1: I don't believe it's that simple as that. I want

470
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Speaker 1: to kind of oddly spin this back to you, though,

471
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Speaker 1: and say this, yeah, knee jerk, it looks like a

472
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: bad look, but you are Deontay Wilder. You're always gonna have,

473
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: you know, the great equalizer, the one trick pony, the

474
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Speaker 1: thing that's gonna separate you from the guys who are

475
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: more skilled than you. Deontay came to this sport late

476
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: he's kind of still learning on the job, even though

477
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Speaker 1: he's had a you know, incredible career in all those knockouts.

478
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Speaker 1: If anybody has a puncher's chance he's even in a fight,

479
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: they're getting beat up, it is Deontay Wilder. Do you

480
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Speaker 1: think there's anything to the idea that, while on the

481
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Speaker 1: surface it seems like the wrong motive and the wrong

482
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Speaker 1: message to send that the one guy that's looking out

483
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Speaker 1: for your health you get rid of him. Does Deontay

484
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: Wilder need to be wired to ride or die to

485
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Speaker 1: get the very best out of him in the ring?

486
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Speaker 1: It's not a PC sort of you know motto, and

487
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: and and look at this, you know. And yes, he

488
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: was getting beat up by Fury, he got dropped, he

489
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: was straight up getting beat up. It looked like that

490
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: fight was going to go south and in going worse,

491
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: downhill the whole way. But if any fighter could pull

492
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Speaker 1: that out of the brink, it is Deontay Wilder with

493
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: that right hand. And maybe that's just you know, the

494
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: life and death feel that he embraces. Maybe that's how

495
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Speaker 1: you get him at its very best. I can't I

496
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: can't assume to know what goes on in that camp.

497
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Speaker 1: It seems like the wrong move on the surface. It

498
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: seems like it's a yes man move. But maybe that's

499
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Speaker 1: the best way to get the most out of Deontay

500
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Speaker 1: Wilder at the end of the day, and Jay Diiz

501
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: knows it, and this is the best you know plan

502
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Speaker 1: moving forward.

503
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Speaker 2: I I don't know what motivates Deontay Wilder at the

504
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Speaker 2: end of the day. That's a question for Brilin. It's

505
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Speaker 2: a question for Diaz and anybody else in that camp

506
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: who has a much closer sense of things. And to

507
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: your point, you're right, who knows what has gone on

508
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: between them as individuals or business partners or coach trainer

509
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 2: that has I actually say a trainer student that has

510
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: led to this split between them. However, there's just a

511
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Speaker 2: series of things that Wilder has said that make you

512
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: think he has judgment issues. I mean, here's why I

513
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 2: ultimately brilliant through the towel. I'm not sure exactly where

514
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: it happened in the calendar relative to those other deaths

515
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Speaker 2: we had last year, two of them by the way,

516
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Speaker 2: in the state of Maryland. In boxing one with data

517
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Speaker 2: shev not too far from my place of residence over

518
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Speaker 2: a National harbor, and then there was another one as well,

519
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: I forget. I believe both of those happened though before

520
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Speaker 2: the Wilder Fury.

521
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Speaker 1: Reaching Patrick Day. Patrick Day.

522
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so you have a guy like Breland, who,

523
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm sure has seen many other deaths

524
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Speaker 2: in boxing along the way and then may have been

525
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Speaker 2: reminded of them. I mean, understand something about Deontay Wilder.

526
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Speaker 2: If he was not married, if he didn't have kids,

527
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: I do think some of these calculations might be a

528
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 2: little bit different. And he's not poor bindy stretch of imagination.

529
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: He's He's done quite well for himself. But if you're

530
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: Breeland and you have a rational sense about what kind

531
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: of punishment is tolerable, and you know that the guy

532
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: who you are watching is taking a beating even he

533
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: can't come back from it, and I don't care what

534
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: anybody says, you go back and watch that second Wilder

535
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: fight with Fury. You know that puncher's chance shit is

536
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: out the window. Sorry, he was no position to give

537
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: it to Fury like that. And then you realize this

538
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: guy has multiple people in their lives counting on him,

539
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: not really financially, but for their you know, I mean,

540
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: the father figure that someone which you play in someone's

541
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: life is profound. And he's got young kids too, they're

542
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: not all in college. I mean, it would be totally

543
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: immoral for him to not at least have considered to

544
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: throw the towel. Now, you could debate about winning through

545
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: the towel, and that's fine, but the idea that he like, Remember,

546
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: the big thing that even ds and Wilder got after

547
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: Breland for was the very notion that he would even

548
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: think of throwing the towel, not that he actually even

549
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: did it, Like, the very concept to them was simply

550
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: something you couldn't tolerate, no matter what the circumstances are.

551
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: You simply cannot do that. That is not a rational

552
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: way of working your way through the sport. And the

553
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: sport has many irrationalities that we have to tolerate, but

554
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 2: suicide by competition or you know, maiming by competition willingly

555
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: is not something you can do, especially when you have

556
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: other vulnerable people in this world counting on you, and

557
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: what it would do to the sport itself. You cannot

558
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: allow the sport to be a place where people just

559
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: decide I'm going to die here for some nobility reason

560
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: and then what kind of damage you leave the sport

561
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: as a consequence. I mean, the data chev and the

562
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: day fights had some kind of profile, but not the

563
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: kind of profile that Wilder Fury too had. That was

564
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: a much bigger situation. And again I'm not suggesting that

565
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 2: where we were on the same path as that, but

566
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, thinking about those things, and so to me,

567
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: the real big thing is here. I actually interviewed Wilder

568
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: before and after the Dominic Brezial fight, and before you'll call,

569
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: he was like, I'm trying to catch a body on

570
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Speaker 2: my record. And then afterwards I asked him if he

571
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: regretted it, and he said no, And I'm like, dude,

572
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: Wilder's got it. He's got judgment issues. He just has

573
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: judgment issues. He has judgment issues about what kinds of

574
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Speaker 2: things and what kinds of limits we have to tolerate,

575
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: not merely for your own good, but for the good

576
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: of the sport, for the good of humanity, to make

577
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Speaker 2: this a thing that we can allow in society.

578
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Speaker 1: For a normal person, Luke, for a normal person, yes

579
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Speaker 1: we act'.

580
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Speaker 2: And here I'll throw it back to you. But b see,

581
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: every other fighter, including fighters much better than him, have

582
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: been able to make and walk that tightrope. The idea

583
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: that he can't because he's tough or something is nonsense.

584
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Speaker 1: No, look, nothing you said there is wrong. And the

585
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: whole knee jerk thing leans completely in that direction. And

586
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, gun to my head,

587
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: I lean in that direction too. I am trying to

588
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: look at this from that standpoint that these are just

589
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: different people. This is a profession Deontay Wilder's signed up for.

590
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: He talks openly, like it or not about the idea that,

591
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, he could die in there and he could

592
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: kill another man in there. Does he go too far

593
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: with the whole idea of I want to you know,

594
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch about. Of course, of course it's

595
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: also part of this crazy sport. It's in play. So

596
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, you know, this is something Jdas

597
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: should embrace. I'm just saying Deontay's already a non traditional

598
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: fighter in a lot of ways. Maybe there's something to that.

599
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something to the idea that while I'm thinking,

600
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: how the hell are you getting rid of Brelin, he's

601
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: the guy who can teach you technique. He's a guy

602
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: who can teach you a jab. He's a guy who

603
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: can teach you self preservation in certain things. Maybe Deontay

604
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: is one of those guys who's wired in a certain

605
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: way that it's all or nothing. It is go out

606
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: there looking to catch that body, or he can't be

607
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: at his very best part of the fight game. Maybe

608
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the fight game, luc if we're honest,

609
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: is these guys have to be the biggest con man

610
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: for themselves, right. It's not just convincing the public that

611
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: they still have it, that they can win these fights

612
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: to come out and buy it. It's convincing themselves that

613
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: no matter the damage they've taken in the past, the

614
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: losses they've accrued, the betting gods, that they have to

615
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: go out there and put it all on the line.

616
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: So maybe it's more of you know, j Diaz is

617
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: is this mentality is the best way to fire up

618
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: Deontay and get the best out of him. Not saying

619
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: it's safe, it's interesting, But I do think that Deontay's

620
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: got one big chance left. I'm not saying that he

621
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: needs to retire or that his career is going to

622
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: be overson. I'm saying he's got one big chance left

623
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: in this trilogy bout to really redeem his entire name, Luke,

624
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: and there was a you know, there's a certain level

625
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: of staining on him, the way he lost to Fury,

626
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: the way he got walked down, the way that you know,

627
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: tal gets thrown in, the stupid costume, all that stuff.

628
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: If they had run back this trilogy fight this summer,

629
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: like was the original plan. It's almost giving you that

630
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: feeling like, you know, are the promoters and company just

631
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: kind of cashing him out. We got this contractually abligated thing. Hey,

632
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: let's do it one more time. Roll the dice. Maybe

633
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: he'll catch Fury. Maybe not. Man, you're giving this guy nine,

634
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: ten months, maybe a year when it's all said and done,

635
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: to get better from that second fight. You know, can

636
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: an old dog learn new tricks? You know, not completely,

637
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: but there are certainly a lot of ways. I believe

638
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: that Deontay Wilder, if he is again the right people

639
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: in camp that are looking at this constructively and saying,

640
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: we gotta have you use your job more. We gotta

641
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: have you looking to be less dependent on all or

642
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: nothing with a big right hand. I get that fighting

643
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury is different than fighting any other heavyweight in

644
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: the world. I just think it's going to be interesting

645
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: when this trilogy fight does happen, whether it's December or January. Look,

646
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: it's on the books, it's got to happen, right contractually,

647
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: Whether because of the quarantine, Deontay actually benefits from this

648
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: and he comes out looking like a hungry, aggressive, live

649
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: dog in that third fight. Because the one thing we

650
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: have not seen from Wilder in this trilogy, Luke and

651
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: I think you can agree with this is him fighting

652
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: like he fought against Brazil in round one, just balls

653
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: to the wall, going for it. The reason why is

654
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: because you can't do that against Fury. He's six to nine,

655
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: he's got long arms, he's quicker than you. But if

656
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: you can just take Wilder, which what he is not

657
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: a boxer, it's not these other things as a destroyer,

658
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: I think there's two ways you go from this. You

659
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: either use the quarantine to build up his technique or

660
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: you go all in on saying the new Deontay Wilder

661
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: two point zero to finish out his career is leaving

662
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: nothing to judges, leaving nothing to anything. I'm going in

663
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: there to finish you in the first three four rounds,

664
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: and if I guess out after that I do. I'm

665
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: gonna be so interested to see come this third fight,

666
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: which version we see of Deontay coming out of there.

667
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: Given this time to think about this.

668
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: The last thing I got to add to that is

669
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: it's not that Jay Diaz represent and this is the

670
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: white guy in his corner for folks who may not know.

671
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: It's not that he represents all of the excesses of

672
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: Deonta's personality. That's not true. He seems like a very

673
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: mild mannered Alabama guy himself, but he certainly accommodates them.

674
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: And I don't know that Breeland didn't accommodate those things

675
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: in the way that Diaz did. But he was always

676
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: really quiet. He didn't do nearly as many interviews. He

677
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: was never out there screaming, bomb squad the whole thing.

678
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: Like he was just the guy who you were like, Oh,

679
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: that's the dude that Wilder keeps in his camp because

680
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: he knows he has to work on the fundamentals of

681
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: boxing that he doesn't have. And by the way, you know,

682
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: Bree Limb had them in pretty strong supply. He was

683
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: always that anchor of reality in the corner. Diaz is

684
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: not the anchor of reality. He can be, he can

685
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: provide many other benefits to Wilder, but not that you

686
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: jettison the guy who was that that's gonna put you

687
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: on the right footing to beat the best heavyweight boxer alive.

688
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, maybe maybe the maybe the path is just

689
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: to you know, be the juggernaut and bust down walls

690
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: and just overwhelm the guy with force. But part of

691
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: me feels like the pattern of misjudgments he's made there's

692
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: a through line with them, and ending with the dismissal

693
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: of Breland does not speak to all of them all right?

694
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: Uh point three? By the way, our topic number three BC,

695
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: which leads us sort of back to the initial conversation

696
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: to just a small degree. What should be next for

697
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: Leon Edwards? So here's what happened. He was offered to

698
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 2: fight or I believe they've tried to make a fight

699
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: between he and wonder Boy. He did not seem especially interested.

700
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: Then the Gilbert fight with Gilbert Burns with Usman gets delayed.

701
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: So Leon's like, well, hey, BC, wash, don't I fight

702
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: Gilbert Burns for number one contender? But Gilbert Burns is like,

703
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm already the number one contender, Why the hell would

704
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: I fight you for something I already have? So help

705
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: us understand something here. If you are advising Leon Edwards,

706
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: who has been on ice for what I mean, the

707
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: last time he fought was the RDA fight, Right, it's

708
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: almost a year and a half ago, in memory serves,

709
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: I'll look that up. What the hell do you do?

710
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: Well? The worst thing you can do is not fight

711
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: right when you're being avoided or when you are not

712
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: falling in the graces of the company to be a

713
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: favored son. The best thing you can do is stay

714
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: active and get to a point where the promotion has

715
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: no other choice. Or if your opponents in boxing, or

716
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: if we say this about Gannati Gilufkin right when all

717
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: the big middleweights were avoiding him, the best thing he

718
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: could do is become an attraction fight four times a year,

719
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: which he was doing and knocking fools out, and it

720
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: kind of you know, you're eventually gonna either get up

721
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: to the rankings where people don't have a choice or

722
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, and mandatories and all that, or you're just

723
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: gonna become such a big star they'll want to fight you.

724
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: In Leon Edwards's case here, he does have the eight

725
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: wins in a row. He does have the idea that

726
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: he's being you know, overlooked and maybe not getting the

727
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: full benefit of the doubt because he's not a sexy

728
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: fighter and he's not a loud fighter and all that stuff.

729
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: But within those eight victories, look, he really only has

730
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: what like one sort of top five victories. So what

731
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: he's missing right now are the kind of real credible wins.

732
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: So you know, he's not gonna get Mosbital right now,

733
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: He's probably not gonna get Colby, He's probably not gonna

734
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: get the title shot. So you gotta stay busy. Now,

735
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: maybe to you, if you're a Leon, why would I

736
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: go down and face or not cowboy, WonderBoy, I don't know.

737
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: To stay busy and look good. May be beaten a

738
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: top name that can that can push you up even more,

739
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: so why don't I throw out this wildcard suggestion? And

740
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: somebody brought this to Leon and he did, I think,

741
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: crap on it. Why not fight Hamzat Chimayev. Why not

742
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: fight the UFC's rising favored Sun because Jamaiev is gonna

743
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: skip the line inevitably and eventually anyway by beating these

744
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: top guys Luke, and if you're UFC's redheaded stepchild at

745
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: the moment, which Leon is in some ways, why don't

746
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: you call out their favored son and say, look, the

747
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: only way I'm gonna get your attention, Dana Matchmakers and

748
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: company is beating the guy you think have neck has next.

749
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't see how UFC wouldn't go for that. That

750
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: would be an incredibly huge, critical win for Tamaiev. It

751
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: would also get Leon Edwards out of their hair for

752
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: the moment if he lost. And if you're Edwards, you're

753
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: basically like, dude, I win that fight. I beat your boy.

754
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm next, I am next. Okay, I'm next for money,

755
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm next for titles. It's time, let's do this. I

756
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: think Leon Edwards is out a point where playing the

757
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: wait and see game, playing the what's fair game, it's

758
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: not working because it's not fair. That's the system. The

759
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: game is the game. Luke Omar already taught us this.

760
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: The best thing you can do now is get aggressive

761
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: and go after their prize toy at the moment. And

762
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if you go five rounds with him

763
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: in a main event and you look boring the whole way.

764
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: You beat him. You're gonna end up with the prize anyway, Luke,

765
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: what do you think that's it? That's it right there,

766
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: that's grabbing the bull by the balls, that's putting on

767
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: the Dan Vince McMahon brass ring right there and going

768
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: after it.

769
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the reason why he wouldn't take the WonderBoy

770
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: fight is not identical too, but basically basically the same

771
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: reason why he wouldn't take the Chimaya fight is because

772
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: he doesn't believe he should fight anyone who is, in

773
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: his mind beneath him. Now, let me correct the record here.

774
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: A couple times dos Anjos lost to Edwards, and Edwards's

775
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: last fight that was in July of twenty nineteen, so

776
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: not quite a year and a half, but we're getting there.

777
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: By the time he fights, it might end up being

778
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: a year and a half, by the way, So there's

779
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: that number one. Number two. I think you're understating how

780
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: good Edwards's resume is. Uh. He has wins over Tumenov,

781
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: who I know, Mma Hardcores may or may not know,

782
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: but he's very good submitted him. He has wins over Vicente, Luke,

783
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: Donald Serroni, Gunnar Nelson, and halfel dosandos. That's a legitimate fighter, folks.

784
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you can say what you want about how

785
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: exciting those wins were, but they're absolutely legitimate, totally real.

786
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: Okay, but look, aren't those all B wins full respect

787
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: everybody you just mentioned. Aren't those all B and B

788
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: minus wins? You got to get some B plus and

789
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: A A minus A wins to really get into that

790
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: title conversation.

791
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. Here here, here's why I'll put the difference

792
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: with you, BC bro.

793
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: Let me just say, do you remember the road Max

794
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: Holloway had to go through to finally get a title shot?

795
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes that just happens to about Tony Ferguson. I mean,

796
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Tony fergus had to do this much longer, right. I'm

797
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: totally on board with the idea that, uh, he has

798
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: not done so much that his case is so overwhelming

799
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: that we should pound our fist on the four mica

800
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: and demand to see the manager. What I'm saying is

801
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: the following though pounds Yes, yeah, you have to set

802
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: the context he was supposed to. That's leon Edwards was

803
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: supposed to fight Tyron Woodley in March, right before the

804
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: pandemic hit ill recall or with the pandemic. And I

805
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 2: should say because they had that UFC Brazil card after

806
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: the rest of the sports world had went on ice.

807
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: Then they tried to have that UFC London card. That

808
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 2: was the card where Edwards was supposed to fight Woodley.

809
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: That was his big coming out moment. That was when

810
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 2: he was basically going to announce to the world that

811
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 2: this is the guy that needs to be taken seriously,

812
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: because that would have only been Woodley coming off of

813
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: the Kamaru Usman lost, just off of losing his belt.

814
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: If Edwards had fought Woodley in one and I think

815
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: he probably would have all things being what we've now seen,

816
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: he would be in an absolutely totally different position. And

817
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: I feel like that's where in his mind he actually

818
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: should be. I don't think he should take the Chremaya fight,

819
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: but I do think he should take the Wonder Boy fight.

820
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: To me, that is that sort of space in between

821
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: where it's probably not exactly what he wants, but what

822
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: he wants is really not available. He's been on ice

823
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 2: too long. Wonder Boy is a very tough, decorated competitor,

824
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: very hard to beat, and enough of a name and

825
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: BC I think you would agree with this enough of

826
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: a rankings presence that you beat that guy and people say, okay,

827
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: all right, we're cooking with gas here. Because only the

828
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: very best are you able to really do that.

829
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two more scenarios in which Leon

830
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: Edwards could get UFC's attention. Do you like either of

831
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: the Scenario one, how about hire Ali manager to the

832
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: stars because all of the A Lase fighters seem to

833
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: be passing go and getting big opportunities. Or scenario two,

834
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: show up backstage one time with a camera around and

835
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe give that receipt to Jorge Masmital not trying to

836
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: get WWE on your ass, but just saying you give

837
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: that receipt back to him. You may see him in

838
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: the cage, all right.

839
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: I mean here's the thing. It's like, okay, you could

840
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: do Edwards versus mass at all. But masvidoal is popular

841
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: not because he beat up Leon Edwards. It's because he

842
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: did the three piece of the Soda after knock it

843
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: out Darren Hill, and then did Askrin and then did

844
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: Nate Diaz. It's got very little to do with the

845
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: actuality of Leon Edwards. How many fans real UFC fans

846
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: can name Leon Edwards not so.

847
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: You gotta make Jorge want to fight you, right, You

848
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: got to give him that receipt. You got to go

849
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: back and give him that payback. Make him look bad

850
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: and the look it is pro wrestling one on one, bro,

851
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: it is. That's how you get. I mean, you know,

852
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: that's how you get. Somebody's in the church.

853
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 2: But you're okay, I'm not saying it's how to fight.

854
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: That wouldn't do well. But you've already got the Colby

855
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: fight in the in the works. The potentially is what

856
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: the UFC is telling us, which fight is bigger Edwards

857
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: versus Masvidal or Colby versus Massodol. Look, it's there.

858
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I want to see Masvidal Edwards. I'm saying,

859
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: if you're looking at scenarios in which Leon Edwards can

860
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: get his respect and get the company's attention. You're known

861
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: mostly now to be honest for taking that sucker punch

862
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: from the three piece of a soda guy. Oh, why

863
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: don't you go and give that back to him and

864
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: then see if you can enter into that. Because I'm

865
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: just throwing out scenarios to try to help our guy,

866
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: Leon get the respect he deserves. Let's not act like

867
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: MMA and in fight promoting his polite society. It's not right.

868
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: This is the game as well, and there are ways

869
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: to play that game and cut the line. That's maybe

870
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: one of them. Okay, it's not for everybody.

871
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: Luke, I mean, I just understand the rankings here. This

872
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: is why I don understanding where you wouldn't take the

873
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: wonder Boy fight Kamara as your champion. You're a number

874
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: one contender as the rankings go. For what it's worth

875
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: is Colby to his burns. We already sort of know

876
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 2: what's up with them. Well. Edwards is sitting at three,

877
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: Masvedal sitting at four. Yes, you could do that. I

878
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: don't think it's optimal, but you could five is WonderBoy.

879
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you? You have a top five opponent there,

880
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: ready to go, willing to take it. Why not just

881
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: take it?

882
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: That's probably the that's the middle ground, that's the smartest, safest,

883
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the play. If you're Leon Edwards

884
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: all right, sitting out, not the play, complaining any longer,

885
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: not the play.

886
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: I don't know.

887
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: Sliding into Mozvedal's girls. DMS might be the play, right

888
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: Hitting them with that left took backstage in front of

889
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: a camera might be the play. But uh, you know

890
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: it's just me.

891
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: Uh well, I'll just say this, Sid, I agree with you.

892
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: It's like I don't mind fighters sitting out for a

893
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: little while. But and the pandemic certainly not Leon Edwards's

894
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: fault or anybody else's. He's managed by Paradigm, which probably

895
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: means he won't be going to Alley anytime soon. But

896
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 2: the real key is a little bit of time off.

897
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: Probably not the end of the world situation depending, but

898
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: when you're Leon Edwards and your last win was July

899
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen, buddy, I mean I respect the ability completely,

900
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. I've been saying this guy is very,

901
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: very hard to beat. But you got to get out there.

902
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: You got to get out there against At some point

903
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: you have to recognize it's not your fault, but the

904
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: pandemic pushed you back a little bit. You're gonna have

905
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 2: to as unfair as the world may be, ABC sometimes

906
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: you have to recapture things that you already had by

907
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: no fault of your own.

908
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: Yep, you got to learn to hold your own They

909
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: get jealous when they see with your mobile phone. Right, Jay, Oh,

910
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: Jay's not with us this week. Sorry, Sorry, Gaff in

911
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: our ear. Shout out to Gaff this week in our ear.

912
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: All right, BC, we're trying something new here for our

913
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: next segment on the show. Why don't you take it away?

914
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: Good sir?

915
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all know from the comments if you read them,

916
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: that Luke is just a far left woosh SJW. Face right,

917
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I would fuck.

918
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 2: Up anybody who's ever called me that. I would fuck

919
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: them up in front of their loved ones. But you know,

920
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 2: for the purposes, for the purposes of this conversation, I'll

921
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: tolerate it.

922
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: All right. We have a new segment called how About

923
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: It sj W Social Justice Wednesdays, really aimed at at,

924
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, identifying things that happen every other day in

925
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: both the combat sports world and beyond social media. Beefs,

926
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: people going back and forth forth, people running their mouth.

927
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: So I want to bring in the honorable Luke Fauci

928
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: here to sit on. Try sit on on the on

929
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: the old throne and tell us you know who's right,

930
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: who's wrong, who you know who wins on this? All right,

931
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: Let's start with number one, B for the week. This

932
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: has how this whole Gilbert Burns things started, right, Ariel

933
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: Helwani of ESPN tweeted out with usman's not ready for

934
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: the Gilbert fight, but hey, how about we do the

935
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: uh the Leon Edwards Burns fight. It's the number one

936
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: contender fight whatever. And that's when the walls of Jericho

937
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: broke down, Luke and can we play the next slide?

938
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: Gilbert jumps in basically sends Ariel the hell, why am

939
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I gonna fight for the number one contention when I've

940
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: already earned that, et cetera. And then the flood games

941
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: of Ariel versus MMA dominance started coming out, Ali throwing shots.

942
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but then DC

943
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: Ariel's man jumps in to defend and being like, OLLI,

944
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: who are you talking to right now? This thing got

945
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: a little bit wild here, and it didn't stop there.

946
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: Ali coming back over the top. Even Marvin Vattori of

947
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: of look at that the coffee boy. He's calling Ariel

948
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 1: no one. No one calls Ariel that and gets away

949
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: with it all right, And then we got even Marvin

950
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: Vattori coming in over the top and being like I

951
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: was right about Ariel all a wrong, he sucks there

952
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: you go DC jumping in there as well. Uh luke,

953
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: uh you want to sort this out? Who's right, who's wrong?

954
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: Who wins?

955
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: Wait, you know exactly what happened downtown when people got

956
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: out of the line at my job, Rumbay What is that?

957
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: You know?

958
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: I don't tend to know what Ali does when people

959
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: get out of line on downtown streets. You know that's

960
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: his business.

961
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: Okay, is rumbay someplace room bay? I don't know. I

962
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: don't know what that is. Well, I'll just say this.

963
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing. It's not like number one,

964
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: we don't know how long Usban's going to be out.

965
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: If it's like a heh'll fight in January or February.

966
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: You know, Gilbert's point is very well taken. Ariel was

967
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: trying to argue, what if it's seven months down the line,

968
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: do you guys want to wait that long? Because at

969
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: that point you're almost back at July again. That would

970
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: be two years for Edwards if you somehow got a

971
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: fight or you know, probably longer than Gilbert wants to

972
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: be out. So it's like, here's the thing. I've got

973
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: my own differences with Ariel to be quite clear, and I

974
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: don't think it's any secret, but I take his side

975
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: in this one. Why is everybody overreacting to the suggestion

976
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: of an opinion? And I don't be grudge Ali or

977
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: he certainly Gilbert stand his perspective as well. I totally

978
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: get it, Like Gilbert was, you know, he's dialed in

979
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: right now and he wants that fight and he's supposed

980
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: to get in December, and you know, and Ali has

981
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: differences with him and everything else. I get it, I understand,

982
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: But it's like, dude, he just stated in opinion he

983
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: didn't like he didn't like dig up someone's finances and

984
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: proved they were cheating on their taxes. Or here's I

985
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: hired a private investigator show you were fucking around on

986
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: your wife. Or he's just like sixty bro. I know

987
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: there was the thing they went nuclear over a pretty

988
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: harmless opinion. That's the thing I don't get. It's like, clearly,

989
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 2: the issue is not the opinion. The issue is something else.

990
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: So if we're just judging it based on the merits

991
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: of what Ariel said, I side with Ariel. I think

992
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: I don't agree per se, but I think that the overreaction.

993
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, everyone at MMA, there's no in between,

994
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 2: There's no like, oh I disagree, It's like fuck you

995
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: die slow. You know each shit, I'll kill you.

996
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: It's like my oh, makes make sure all your kids

997
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: won't grow Yeah.

998
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's either it's either love songs or diss tracks

999
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: in doing.

1000
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: Just piling on. I don't know if you saw the toy,

1001
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: he's like, bam, just piling out. So, Luke, just to

1002
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: let you know, Social Justice Wednesday isn't actually our new segment.

1003
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: This is an intervention. We actually have Ariel waiting on

1004
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: the line and YO wanna right after him, so hopefully

1005
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: we can keep mending bridges. I wanted to point out there,

1006
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: how about d C stepping right in for his man

1007
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: right there? Luke, would you would you kill for me?

1008
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Would you get my back? Because you know, I don't

1009
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: know if you remember, just a month and a half ago,

1010
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: Mike Perry on my own podcast right hung up on

1011
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: me told me the fuck off said if he study

1012
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: sees me, he'll find me. You know, I would hope

1013
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: you would have the same love, respect, loyalty that Daniel

1014
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: Cormier shows for Canada's own Arieljuane.

1015
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: That No, I'm gonna let you get knocked the fuck

1016
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: out and then we're gonna put that on. Have you

1017
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: seen the ship so we can narrate it?

1018
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: That is what I deserve. Yes, at the end of

1019
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: the day. All right, let's go to SJW number two

1020
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: in the boxing game. Luke, this is an old beef,

1021
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: but it's opening up again. We know, Javonte Davis, you

1022
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: can get that Showtime pay per view main event against

1023
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: Leo Santa Cruz Halloween Night inside the Alamo Dome. Looks

1024
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: like we're gonna get a crowd there. Ryan Garcia, who

1025
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: wants that, is now jumping back in saying, uh, a

1026
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: lot of things. Can I go? He went on to say,

1027
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: can we advance the slide here as he's jumping in

1028
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: on Leonard Llerby's DMS on his reply there.

1029
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jeriane.

1030
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: Good one, Davante, but I'll still whip your ass. There

1031
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: was another thread there where Ray Guy basically saying, look, Davonte,

1032
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: keep fighting. Uh wow, how about that finish clowning with

1033
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: the with the Paul Brothers. You Golden girl. That was

1034
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: not bad there, That was not bad to come back

1035
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: there from tank Ra guy back over the top. So

1036
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: that's the key part of the beef here, Luke, let

1037
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: me jump in and handle this, Okay, keep fighting people

1038
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: two sizes too small. I can't wait to be in

1039
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: there with you. There is some criticism against Dravonte. Look,

1040
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: I love this fight against Leo Santa Cruz. This is

1041
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: the best guy on his resume by far. They're meeting

1042
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: in the middle, it's a creative matchup. At one point

1043
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: thirty both the junior lightweight and lightweight titles will be

1044
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: on the line. I love it, But Gravonte Davis, some

1045
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: of his biggest fights have been against smaller guys. Does

1046
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia have any leg to stand on in this beef?

1047
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: Dude? This is like I interviewed Gordon Ryan one time,

1048
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: and Gordon Ryan, if you follow him on social media,

1049
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how much he does it these days,

1050
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: but for a long time he was relentlessly mocking almost

1051
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: every day Dylan Dannis. Because Dylan Dannis is very, very good,

1052
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: but when it comes to being elite level black belts,

1053
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: he's not nearly as good as Gordon Ryan. And if

1054
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: you'll notice, Dylan Dannis never responds to him, and Gordon

1055
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: understood this. He's like, he can't respond to me because

1056
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: Dylan has a bigger following than Gordon. But Gordon's way

1057
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: better and knows that if they ever competed, almost a guaranteed,

1058
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: you know, certainty that Gordon would win. So Gordon can

1059
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: just sort of fire shots. Jervonte is in a similar

1060
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: position with Garcia, but he indulges this guy because Garcia

1061
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: has a huge following. But BC, come on, now, stop playing.

1062
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: He's not nearly on the level of Tank and if

1063
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: they fought twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, he is

1064
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: gonna get absolutely wrecked unless he makes some kind of

1065
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: unbelievable kress.

1066
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: Look what, I love Dravonte Davis in that fight. Yes,

1067
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: but I think we don't really know yet how good

1068
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia is. I know there were some levels of

1069
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: his coming up where he looked like, uh, is he

1070
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: gonna be vulnerable? I think since you know, teaming up

1071
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: with Eddie Renoso and Canelo's team, they have added some

1072
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: more defense and wrinkles to him. And here's the thing,

1073
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: he does have explosive speed and confidence in there. You

1074
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: asked me to pick gun to my head, I'm taking

1075
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: Gravanti by Koh. I want to see that fight. That'd

1076
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: be a monster fight. But I think in the realm

1077
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: of who's winning this beef in the back and forth,

1078
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: Rockette can't even get himself into the ring. He's constantly

1079
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: fighting with Golden Boy in his own he wants to

1080
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: fight Louke Campbell. They're not paying him enough money for this,

1081
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, big fight they're building up, whereas Dravante's you know,

1082
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: headlining a pay per view and getting full support here.

1083
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: So as of right now, I think if you're Gravante,

1084
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, pound sand brother. But Luke, I

1085
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: want to see that. That's a sexy, big time, cross

1086
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the street type of fight. To make you know.

1087
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: In the nearest future, I'll say this, Dravante is doing

1088
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: better in real life. But Garcia, for all the disadvantages

1089
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: that are conferred upon him, he's actually winning the online beef. Now.

1090
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: That will come to a halt if he ever fights

1091
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: Jervonte and Dravonte knocks his head into the third row.

1092
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: But for this moment, I might have to rule in

1093
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: favor of Garcia, not because he's better, but because he

1094
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 2: is coming from such a disadvantage and he's baiting he's

1095
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: baiting Tank to level things with him. It creates some

1096
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: different impressions.

1097
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed interesting stuff. Our final beef for the week.

1098
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: Speaking of Mike Perry, Luke, he has an interesting ideas,

1099
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: an amazing story on Tuesday. I love this. So Mike

1100
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: Perry's gonna come back. I don't know the date, but

1101
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: the reporter is he's gonna fight Robbie Lawler, which to

1102
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: me is a great sloppy Walterway fight. He says, whoever

1103
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: gives me the most money can join me in the

1104
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: corner with coach Littori his fiancee, Littori Gonzalez, who I know,

1105
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: not fiance I'm sorry. I'm not aware of their entanglements

1106
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: with a ring or not, but I know that she is,

1107
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, carrying James Swee right now. Yeah, his main

1108
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: squeeze is baby Mama, all that stuff. So Luke, let's

1109
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: just start right here before we advance the slides, all right,

1110
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: and it goes on here with there until But that's

1111
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: a really cool idea. I hope you UFC doesn't get

1112
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: in the way and stop this, Like that's one of

1113
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: the coolest ideas ever. Like you're a super fan out

1114
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: there put up the money, you can join me and

1115
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: be my coach in the corner. Perry's a genius, Luke.

1116
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: First of all, auctioning off a cornerman's spot has got

1117
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: to be one of the most amazing ideas. I'd never

1118
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: how did we not think of this before? It is

1119
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: so genius. To the point, haven't they started, didn't Darren

1120
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 2: Till or something started GoFundMe to raise money.

1121
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: For this yet? Well, I want, I want to get

1122
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: to the beef here in a second. But just in

1123
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: terms of the idea, it's it's amazing. And look it's

1124
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: it's a it's carnival at circus. But that's Mike Perry.

1125
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: He's got his pregnant baby mama as his lead trainer.

1126
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know he's got tattoos on all

1127
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: over his body. You know what this is? All right,

1128
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: let's advance it now. Darren Till jumps in and basically says, look,

1129
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: I'll pay anything. I'll start to go fund me. I'm

1130
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: on to pay up to five grand. Then we saw,

1131
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: I think it was one of the Kawa brothers jump

1132
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: in and say, look I got NFL guys offering big

1133
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: time money. And then Darren Hill did Darren Till things

1134
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter and really started coming at Mike Perry as

1135
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: we advanced the slides here, talking about his baby mama. Okay,

1136
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: Mike came back with a nice little uh you got

1137
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: sent to hell by Mosvidal throwing the towel, and then

1138
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: we started talking about each other's ladies. Okay, there's a

1139
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: good little comeback there from Till. Can we keep going?

1140
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: And uh so I love Mike's come back. He's like,

1141
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, that's all fine, but let's see what you're banging.

1142
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: Let's see your baby mama, because because here's mine right here.

1143
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: And then Till comes back and says, this is my

1144
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: future baby mama right here. And then we get into

1145
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: Darren Till doing what he does, which is putting faces

1146
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: over other people's memes. And there's Mike's ex wife, Oh,

1147
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: the Platinum princess dude.

1148
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: This this, I mean, y'all trying to play the dozens,

1149
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: y'all trying to play the dozens with these dudes from Liverpool.

1150
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: Don't do it. Don't do it?

1151
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but them are fighting words Platinum, Mike not happy

1152
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: and now he's talking about English women here.

1153
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 2: Luke, Okay, all right, you know what Mike Perry, I mean,

1154
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: you know, he certainly.

1155
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: Sends in a fight. Okay, this has to end in

1156
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: a fight first of all. It has to, and I

1157
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: hope it does. Yeah, they're still going right here, We're

1158
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: still going back and forth here. Look, this is uh,

1159
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: this is like you know, a ten eight round in

1160
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: terms of Darren Tel handling him.

1161
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: On social media. Man, you know, yeah, no to England

1162
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 2: post their girlfriends. Wonder why they all post mind talking

1163
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: about mine? Lol? That's because you are the only ones

1164
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: who use the word wanker because it's all you do.

1165
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 2: Wank off to pictures because the birds on that side

1166
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: have the flu. Yeah, not so great, not the best

1167
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: trash talk.

1168
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: So what's the best case scenario? Because Mike Perry draws

1169
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: eyes right, you know he just got that he had

1170
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: that comin event with Mickey gall and like people cared,

1171
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: he draws eyes. Luke, if you're a UFC and you

1172
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: want to partner in on this idea, can we actually

1173
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: get there until? Is that possible?

1174
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: I mean no, because number one, the commission has to

1175
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: ron docbro.

1176
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: That's Kendra Lush jumping out, Luke.

1177
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: I know, I know, she's a huge MMA fan.

1178
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: Uh, dude, here's the dappling of all kinds.

1179
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: I heard, Luke. Here's the deal. It's like, it's not

1180
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: merely that Darren's insults are better, it's that it's that

1181
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: it's that Darren is the one who clearly has the

1182
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: other guy upset. You know, Mike Perry gets mad and

1183
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: Darren Till just keeps finding new ways to throw gasoline

1184
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: on the fire. You can't play the dozens with this guy.

1185
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: He's just too funny. I mean when he came out

1186
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: and said, you know, okay, now that I'm the one

1187
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 2: who'll be in the corner, who's gonna pay me money

1188
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: to throw in the towel? Dude, I was hooting and

1189
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: hollering over here, laughing my ass off, because that is hysterical.

1190
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: He'll take any opportunity to be like, Okay, I'm not playing,

1191
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm not playing. Ah, I'm playing, bitch. He is constantly

1192
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 2: that guy. The trick for Mike Perry. You got to

1193
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: block these guys and just focus on you know, the well.

1194
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: It helps that Till would beat him in a fight, right,

1195
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: So you can talk that kind of trash when you can,

1196
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: you can back it up in the streets or in

1197
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: the cage. I'm assuming, but I mean, look, Mike Perry

1198
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: does have experience knocking out old guys. But uh luke,

1199
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: what is a good case scenario here to make this,

1200
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, to really make this a circus extravaganza. Do

1201
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: you go the celebrity route? Do you go the you know,

1202
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: little kid old guy? What do you go? How about

1203
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: bringing back the old guy that he knocked out to

1204
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: be his coach in the corner? How about you know,

1205
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: you like a celebrity here, you like the just bleed guy?

1206
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: Where are you going?

1207
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: Do you go YouTube star? Or do you go like

1208
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: Frank Shamrock, Like who are you trying to piss off?

1209
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't think if you're Mike Perry, though, given

1210
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: his things outside the cage that can prevent him from

1211
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: getting fights. You know, YOCS has supported him, it seems,

1212
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: despite his uh craziness. I don't think you want to

1213
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: piss off the management.

1214
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: Right, No, so he'd probably I mean, I don't know,

1215
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: you got to get get Ryan Garcia. I don't know,

1216
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: some shit like that gets the who is a who's

1217
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: like a famous Internet I got like not troll, but like, uh,

1218
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 2: you know, mister beast from YouTube? Who can blow up

1219
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: your spotlight like that? Mister Beast is always like I

1220
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: gave my friends all, you know, purple colored lambos. Here's

1221
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 2: the video. It's like, well, on a second, you can't

1222
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: just donate money to be in Mike Perry's corner and

1223
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: then make a mister Beast YouTube video about it, blow

1224
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: up Mike Perry's spotlight. I think it might be pretty good.

1225
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: Uh. At what point should Littory not be carrying the

1226
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: spit bucket when she's this much pregnant though?

1227
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: Luke? Uh, at what point does your wife just like say,

1228
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna walk around anymore. My wife

1229
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: is pretty active all the way through the pregnancy.

1230
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: We I've only got I've got two kids, their twins,

1231
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: and they were four and a half months premature, which

1232
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: is insane, so I didn't have the traditional experience.

1233
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: I see, Well, my wife is pretty active all the

1234
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: way through. Spit bucket is not that hard to carry

1235
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: getting up the stairs. You know, I wouldn't ask you

1236
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: to do it more than once, so she's probably fine.

1237
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: I like to see the Platinum Princess back in there.

1238
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: There's a reality show waiting to happen. Okay, thank you,

1239
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: thank you. That's what we got this week for SJW.

1240
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's move on please.

1241
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: All right, well, now it's time for a segment that

1242
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 2: we are tentatively and I do mean tentatively calling going deep.

1243
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: So we do a bit of a deep dive on

1244
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: one topic, but a topic maybe with many, many different tentacles.

1245
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: Colby Covington obviously coming off the great win over Tyron Woodley,

1246
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: he was most recently in the New News, not for

1247
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: MMA reasons per se, but because he was actually at

1248
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: the last debate between President Trump and then former Vice

1249
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: President Joe Biden. You can actually hear him when the

1250
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: debate is over, sort of scream I think, was it

1251
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: the best president ever? Or some kind of plaut it,

1252
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: But it was clearly him and you can actually see

1253
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: him in the audience. Since then, he put out a

1254
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: message BC on social media saying he does not have COVID.

1255
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: We don't know if that's actually true, but let's say

1256
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: for the sake of argument that it is, and that

1257
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: you know he is going to he's sort of celebrating

1258
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: the healthy return that I don't know how healthy it

1259
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: actually is, but the return to the oval office of

1260
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: President Trump, and you know, all the people who have

1261
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: been speaking ill of him will get theirs in the end.

1262
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: But it raises an interesting question. BC. It's one that

1263
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: I've been asked and I don't think I've given a

1264
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: very good answer to So I'd like to do it

1265
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 2: here today. The election go ahead.

1266
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I said, please do luke yea.

1267
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: The election for president is less than a month away.

1268
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Speaker 2: For folks who may not realize that it's less than

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00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: a month. This is not something I wish to have

1270
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: as an overtly political discussion. In fact, I don't think

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00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: that it will be. But it does have some tie

1272
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: ins because BC, you watch for wrestling. I don't. Maybe

1273
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: you can think of an example that will help us

1274
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: better understand this. Whether you like Trump or not is irrelevant.

1275
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: What is relevant is that Colby Covington has tied his

1276
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: identity to a political actor, and a political actor, at

1277
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: least in theory, will have their fortunes change day to day,

1278
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: month to month, year to year, but substantially over the

1279
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: course of elections. And there are two different scenarios. I

1280
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: guess I'd like to imagine one in which Trump loses

1281
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: the election, we'll start with that one first, and then

1282
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: one where he wins, because I actually do think that's

1283
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: a separate and important part of the conversation as well.

1284
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: But first let's go to the other one. BC. Have

1285
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: you ever seen somebody tie their fortunes and their not

1286
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: really other fortunes, really their identity to some outside actor,

1287
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: some outside figure that has really uncertain futures, because that's

1288
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: really what this is all about. Is there anything of

1289
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: pro wrestling that reminds you what we're seeing here?

1290
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you know ahead of WrestleMania seven when

1291
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: Sergeant Slaughter that that dirtbag turned turncoat and joined the

1292
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: the Iranian military, Luke, and for the big showdown with

1293
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: Hulklgan at WrestleMania seven. All right, he was really playing

1294
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: up the Gulf War right during that point. But no,

1295
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: this is real life. And by the way, I like

1296
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: you referring to politicians as actors. That's my territory, Luke. Okay,

1297
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: that both sides are fake. This is the you're they're

1298
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: selling you up the river here, Luke, to try to

1299
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: believe that this stuff is real. No, there is no

1300
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: one person who has ever tied his boat to something

1301
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: in his shtick and his personification of what makes him

1302
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: famous more right now than Colby and Donald Trump. So, Luke,

1303
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: how important is November third to the future of Colby's

1304
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: career from a marketing standpoint? Is it win or go home.

1305
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I just find so interesting. Colby started

1306
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: out as the guy who was spoiling Star Wars and

1307
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: Spider Man or whatever it was. I think it was

1308
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: another one he spoiled as well, and I actually found

1309
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: that more hilarious because if you looked at his mentions,

1310
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: it was just everybody in MMA, didn't matter the political affiliation,

1311
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: super bitter at him. I found that to be very funny.

1312
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: But he morphed that into basically being the Trump World

1313
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: mascot in MMA. He wears the hat all the time

1314
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: he's reading the book, at the press conferences, there's anytime

1315
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: he does an interview, he's wearing some kind of Trump shirt.

1316
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: There's the Trump letter over his shoulder. Right, it's at

1317
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: all times Trump symbolism in your face. Again, it's not

1318
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: about a good or bad, it's just it is what

1319
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: it is. But he got in on it, and basically

1320
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: what could be the high water mark of it, I mean,

1321
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: right now, Trump is in fact president. I don't know

1322
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: if he'll win on November third, but right now, that

1323
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: is the most powerful office in the land. That is

1324
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 2: the apex leader of the free world, for better or

1325
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: for worse. And so to have an association with that, dude,

1326
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 2: it has a lot of dividends. You get to go

1327
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: to the Oval office, he's on ESPN and the President

1328
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: of the United States is calling him on the phone

1329
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: and he gets to pick it up an answer on

1330
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: live television. Dude. That is powerful. That is very, very powerful,

1331
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: and I can understand why you might want those associations.

1332
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: That's not to say he doesn't have actual political agreement

1333
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: with Trump, but that power and that status, it is

1334
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: that imprimature of the presidential seal on everything that he does,

1335
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: and then to an extent, depending on what you want

1336
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: to believe in the success of the larger Trump family.

1337
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: That's got to be intoxicating for somebody to have that

1338
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: kind of arm, so to speak, put around you. But

1339
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: the problem is it's incredibly fleeting. And we will get

1340
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: to a scenario as I mentioned, where he wins. But

1341
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: here's the thing. BC. If he loses, and if there

1342
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: is a peaceful transference of power, which at this point,

1343
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: you know, I guess we'll have to see exactly what happens.

1344
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: Let's assume that it does. You have to ask yourself

1345
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: what happens to the Trump brand afterwards. And I don't

1346
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: want to get nakedly political here, but you have to

1347
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: ask some of these questions. Which is to say, even

1348
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: today BC, you had a federal court rule that essentially

1349
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 2: a New York prosecutor can take a look at Trump's taxes.

1350
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: There was a report by and by the way, and

1351
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: cy Vance is looking at them, and so is Tis

1352
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: James and many other prosecutors at various levels of the

1353
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: government in New York looking after his finances to see

1354
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: if there's any actually illegal activity. More more to that point,

1355
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: if you look at the licensing agreements that he made,

1356
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: by virtue of the New York Times reports, we're talking

1357
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: at upwards of four hundred million dollars he was able

1358
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: to make off the Trump name. Can you still do

1359
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: that if you're a one term president? So he gets

1360
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 2: to a point where after he becomes if he doesn't

1361
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: get re elected, you have to ask yourself, to what

1362
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: extent do Trump's misfortunes would they happen. Does that affect

1363
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 2: Colby's identity because he's not a right leaning fighter BC.

1364
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: He is the Trump mascot. And so tying your fortunes

1365
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: to that guy, if he a loses an election and

1366
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: then b faces any kind of criminal prosecution or some

1367
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: kind of status decline, I think that could have profound

1368
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: impacts on how he's viewed.

1369
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So like, like, let's be honest here.

1370
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: The origin of this is. You know, Colby tells his

1371
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: own sort of creation story, and you know, you can

1372
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: argue if it's completely true, but you know that after

1373
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: a boring win in which he wrestled early in his

1374
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: UFC run, that UFC matchmaker said, we're not going to recigne.

1375
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: We're not gonna you know, sign you to a new

1376
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: contract win or lose entering your last fight, and that

1377
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: was when it all got into his head. You know,

1378
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 1: I need something different. And look, you know I talk,

1379
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, two three years ago, even to people close

1380
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: to Att and they've said, straight up, you know, behind

1381
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: the scenes that it's a Dan Lambert creation. Dan Lambert's

1382
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: the wrestling superfan. He's the guy with the room in

1383
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: his house, you know, the ATT founder with all the

1384
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: legendary wrestling belts that he's collected. He actually had a

1385
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: pretty good run on Impact Wrestling a couple of years

1386
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: back as a heel when they had that MMA invasion

1387
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: for Bobby Lashley, which Colby and Glease and Tebow and

1388
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: others were actually a part of. But Colby, you know,

1389
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: he rode that pretty damn well and he got himself

1390
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: into a title fight with Usman. But I thought that

1391
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: was going to be the turning point, Luke, because do

1392
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: you remember he did that interview ahead of time with

1393
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: the with the Republican female, who am I thinking of?

1394
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: Oh the African American lady, Yes, Candice Owens.

1395
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: And he seemed in that moment to do the you know,

1396
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: and Chail got on.

1397
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 2: Him for it.

1398
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: A lot of other people did to do the cardinal

1399
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: sin in pro wrestling stick, which is, you know, break

1400
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: k fabe and basically admit this is an act and

1401
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: I did this to save myself. And suddenly Colby's changing

1402
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: his story from lead agitator, you know, trash talking troll

1403
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: to almost like you know, underdog hero. I thought he

1404
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: was going to stay in that direction. He didn't talk

1405
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: hell of trash with leading into that build. We didn't

1406
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: see them fight in the buffet line like they almost

1407
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: did before that fight happened, Luke, it was almost a

1408
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: boring build and then obviously a great exciting fight. But

1409
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: he's doubled down, sense then, And maybe it was smart

1410
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: to double down because we're entering not only an election season,

1411
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: but like, you know, the all time you know, craziest

1412
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: one in terms of people being this passionate and you know,

1413
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: puff Daddy, voter, die brother and all that wildness. Luke,

1414
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean, good god, the NBA Finals have vote on

1415
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: the back of the uniforms. I mean, it's a time

1416
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: like no other, Luke. But I do think it's all

1417
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: or nothing here. I'm not going to compare Donald Trump

1418
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: and Joe Exotic exactly, but remember when Tiger King came out,

1419
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: it was freakin' the best thing ever for like two weeks.

1420
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: I even bought two T shirts.

1421
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: Luke.

1422
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: You ever try to wear a Tiger King T shirt

1423
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: like six months later? It just feels weird. Right, it's over.

1424
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 2: The joke's over.

1425
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: Right, we lived it. It's good. You can't do the

1426
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: red hat anymore. If Trump loses here, that doesn't mean

1427
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: that Colby still can't be a popular fighter. It doesn't

1428
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: mean he can't be a contending title fighter. But there

1429
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: is a now a next level sort of marketing star

1430
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: asterisk attached to him. I don't care if you love

1431
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: it or not. When the President can call you on

1432
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: live TV, when you can have him tweeting out, you know,

1433
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: good luck to Colby coming like that matters. That's a

1434
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: giant ordeal. That also kind of matters for the UFC

1435
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: in terms of how they market and use him, knowing

1436
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: that he's, you know, got that brand on him. If

1437
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: that's gone, Luke, it's gonna have to be more about

1438
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: Colby the fighter and the real person on the inside.

1439
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: If Biden wins this election, I don't know if he

1440
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: could keep that up. Does he give up the stick

1441
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: at that point? Does he stop trying to be the agitator?

1442
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: Or where else can we go. Here's the thing that's

1443
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: interesting to me. It's like, let's talk about some other

1444
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: people who are very pro Trump. Dana White, Right, Dana White,

1445
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 2: I mean speaking quite literally on his behalf not the

1446
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: first but even the second Republican National Convention. But if

1447
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: I had to ask you forget about his Trump support.

1448
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: Who is Dana White, you could probably give me a

1449
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: pretty good answer. UFC president, longtime fight promoter, blah blah

1450
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, Jorge Masbol forget about his Trump support

1451
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: for just second. Unfortunately for him, you know, the President

1452
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: got COVID, so they couldn't do that bus tour, you know,

1453
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: which would have I think enmeshed him to a degree

1454
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 2: with the with the Trump brand as well. But you

1455
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: can still say Street Jesus, you know, the the Cuban well,

1456
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 2: actually that's a that's Romero the Cuban muscle crisis. But

1457
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, he still has some kind of identity absent that.

1458
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 2: For Colby, the whole thing for him is again, this

1459
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 2: is not a referendum on Trump's identity per se. It's

1460
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: just a question of who are you without it? Now?

1461
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: You see, here's the other part I'm trying to think of,

1462
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: can you pivot out of this in a way that

1463
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: fans might find authentic? I know, in pro wrestling, it's

1464
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: all of a sudden like some guy goes from being

1465
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 2: a villain all his life to all of a sudden

1466
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: boom overnight. Now he's the greatest, or quite the opposite,

1467
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: you could be, you know, good in all in an

1468
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: instant storylines changing in your bad Can you do that

1469
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: in MMA? I'm not saying it's good or a bad,

1470
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 2: just from X to Y, from black to white to

1471
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: white to black.

1472
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: Well, look, let's present it like it is. It was

1473
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: a heel turn when he became this gimmick, right, I mean,

1474
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: he got hold up, but it's.

1475
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: Not it's a heel turn in the sense that he

1476
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: was polarizing. But it's very different than the heel turn

1477
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 2: he made when he was sending out the spoilers because

1478
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: he got a whole side of people to then support him.

1479
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: He got this whole uh part of America quite frankly

1480
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 2: that pays attention to it. Anyway, that said, you know what,

1481
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 2: I identify with that guy. So it was that it.

1482
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: Wasn't well look, you know, for pro wrestling terms, it

1483
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: was it was a heel turn. He was a kind

1484
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: of a nobody. He started to get people to hate

1485
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: him and want want to hate him, and that's how

1486
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: he got popular through that. It also helps that you're

1487
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: he's a really good fighter and started climbing the ranks

1488
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: there in pro wrestling terms. If he's going to try

1489
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 1: to do a face turn, after this election, and pro wrestling,

1490
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: you do it by go rescuing the hero. So I

1491
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: don't know if there's any scenario in real mma where

1492
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: that's possible where he comes running in the cage to

1493
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: rescue somebody. I just find it really interesting in this

1494
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: regard with the whole idea of this heel turn, because

1495
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: he's it's annoying, it's over the top, it's ridiculous. He's

1496
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: written it really far, like if I'm grading this heel turn,

1497
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: it's wildly successful. He's got the president calling him. He

1498
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: showed up at the damn debate, as you mentioned, could

1499
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: be heard on camera yelling. And the fact that he

1500
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: makes you rub your fingers down, you know, chalkboard feeling,

1501
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: whether you're you know, pro er against just because of

1502
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: how corny at times his shtick can be the fact

1503
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: that it elicits those emotions out of you in pro

1504
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: wrestling terms, means that it works, means that he's winning.

1505
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't actually think there's a real life pivot here, Luke.

1506
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: I don't think there's there's a way to keep that

1507
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: level of celebrity for him and be able to do that,

1508
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, attempt to turn good guy or

1509
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: anything here unless there's some Is there a villain in

1510
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: UFC that people hate so badly that they'd love to

1511
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: see Colby call out and go after I don't think so,

1512
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: not yet.

1513
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 2: I want to say this too. I mean, MMA media

1514
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: has been very much in denial about how much Colby

1515
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 2: has ridden this to a successful conclusion or level. Now.

1516
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: Has he become brock Lessner in terms of pay per

1517
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: view sales? No? Is he the you know, the ratings

1518
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 2: juggernaut that I don't know some other fighter might be

1519
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: when you put him on television. I'm not suggesting that.

1520
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 2: But what he did was he not only asked a

1521
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: certain part of the world I should say America to

1522
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 2: identify with him, but he asked a portion of America

1523
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 2: that feels like sometimes the world is a little bit

1524
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 2: against them, and he represented them proudly and without any equivocation,

1525
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 2: quite blatantly. And it's a world that is both inside

1526
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: MMA but also very far outside of MMA. And if

1527
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: you're out there at the debates and the president's calling

1528
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: you on national television and you're a very good fighter,

1529
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: and you can use that to you know, he's getting

1530
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: on shows that most fighters don't get on, dude. It

1531
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 2: quite obviously worked, and I don't know why media has

1532
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 2: had trouble saying that up until now. They find every

1533
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: sort of little excuse, Oh, the Lawlor fight didn't do

1534
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 2: good ratings, dude, The Lawlor fight was in three PM,

1535
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: in the middle of the afternoon. And again I'm not

1536
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: suggesting it has resulted in popularity as a I want

1537
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: to put down money to see that guy or to

1538
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 2: see that guy get knocked out, which maybe is the

1539
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 2: ultimate litmus test. But in terms of like how visible

1540
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: he was before to how visible he is now, it's

1541
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: a dramatic upgrade. It's a huge upgrade, and there's just

1542
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: no getting around it. So maybe the only.

1543
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: Face turn Luke is to go out there and start

1544
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: supporting fighter pay and coming back at Dana. Maybe if

1545
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: he turns on Dana, that's the ultimate sort of pro

1546
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: wrestling window of how he turns it back good. But

1547
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: keep going where you were going.

1548
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: Well, I was just gonna say, if you think about

1549
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 2: other people that MMA fans have hated as fighters, like

1550
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: a Josh Koshcheck he sort of morphed at the end

1551
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: there to something of an elder statesman. Even Michael Bisping

1552
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: for a time was a little bit of a heel,

1553
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden turned into an elder statesman,

1554
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 2: to the point where Bisping was even like, I don't

1555
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: even know how the fuck it happened. I just people

1556
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 2: just started liking me all of a sudden. I don't

1557
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 2: know that I've fort see that for Colby because independent

1558
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: of the mager stick, like, separate from that, he's doing

1559
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: stuff like you know, kobebe is a you know, engages

1560
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: in all kinds of unspeakable acts with animals or you know,

1561
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: making fun of Dustin Poirier with sort of gross verbiage.

1562
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 2: And he's a very well liked fighter. Maybe he can

1563
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: just keep that up. Is that a thing he can do?

1564
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 2: Just being shitty to everybody?

1565
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, shitty person works if you just want to stay

1566
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: a sort of you know, generic heel. I want to

1567
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: ask you though, all right, short of saving his job,

1568
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: and maybe it did, maybe it did save his job,

1569
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,799
Speaker 1: where would he be today though if he hadn't fully

1570
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: embraced the political side of it, Because there was a

1571
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: time where it wasn't so much about politics and it

1572
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: was more about uh, you know, these.

1573
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: He was he was Dennis the Menace. That's who he was.

1574
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: He was Dennis the Menace.

1575
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: You know where would he be right now? Would he

1576
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: had been would he have gotten all the opportunity had

1577
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: up to this point. As much as we say this

1578
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: was a great victory for him, he has succeeded in

1579
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: making this gimmick work and getting fairly popular out of it.

1580
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 1: Would his ability have gotten here anyway?

1581
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 2: His ability would have gotten him pretty far? How far?

1582
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. You know, when Verdun was chucking

1583
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 2: boomerangs at him, that had a pretty interesting effect too, right.

1584
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 2: It wasn't like people weren't paying attention. But it changed,

1585
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: right because when he started becoming out of six super

1586
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 2: Pro Maga, you had a lot of other fighters been like,

1587
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 2: you know what, I thought, I hated Colby. I'm pretty

1588
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: promaga too, and so a lot of that kind of

1589
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 2: tension went away. I tend to think he still would

1590
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: have gotten pretty far, but I don't think that the

1591
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: level of attention that he got would be the same.

1592
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 2: And by the way, and all the attention is good,

1593
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 2: you know call in Brazilians filed the animals making the

1594
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,520
Speaker 2: smokestack smoke signal argument or claim against you know usman,

1595
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 2: these are or just called what they are. It's the

1596
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 2: racist as shit. But at the same time, there's just

1597
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: a level of visibility that was afforded to him because

1598
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: there were people shining spotlights on him due to his

1599
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 2: advocacy that ordinarily would not have. But by hook or

1600
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: by crook, he was gonna find a way. To be clear, now,

1601
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:20,839
Speaker 2: at least.

1602
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: It's interesting. If Trump wins the election, we assume him

1603
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: to sort of ride out over the next four years

1604
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: of Colby's career, this idea that he's, you know, this

1605
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,879
Speaker 1: red hat wearing guy, he may also become a babyface

1606
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: through that. You know, they're all you know, like you said,

1607
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: there is a large amount of people. I mean, if

1608
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: a large amount of people vote this man and his

1609
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: president again, Luke there, you know, there's a there's a

1610
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 1: there's an idea there that maybe Colby turns babyface through that.

1611
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: What do you like about this idea?

1612
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 2: Though?

1613
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: If Trump loses the election and let's say Colby is

1614
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: unsuccessful in winning the welterweight title outright, do you think

1615
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: there's a secondary run in his career as a chaill

1616
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: son in s type troll is what you're saying just

1617
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: kind of being shitty and going after people. I mean, look,

1618
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: Sonnon got his popularity by going after the beloved Anderson

1619
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: Silva and sort of you know, pressing the right buttons

1620
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: and doing that. Who's his Anderson Silva? Can he do

1621
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: that to Connor? Is you know if we're looking at

1622
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: this as wrestling, where you're like, Okay, I got this

1623
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: aging superstar who's the perfect villain. I got to try

1624
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: to match him up with this guy I can make

1625
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: money here. I got to match him up with here.

1626
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going after Connor or going after

1627
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: the Diaz brothers, A going after a fighter that more

1628
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: people love than hate, and trying to purposely be the

1629
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: chail son and bad guy in those scenarios.

1630
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 2: You know, Ousban seems to be his his muse one

1631
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: way or the other. I don't think there's any kind

1632
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: of analogous thing Chail also, you know, did it was

1633
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 2: never overtly political and still had this ability to capture

1634
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: an audience. I don't know. Again, this is a debate

1635
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 2: about what twich think Colby has the same kind of powers.

1636
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 2: I just don't think it would work out the same way.

1637
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: He doesn't have quite the same overt pulling the pro

1638
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: wrestling strings ability.

1639
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he has the wit. He doesn't have

1640
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: the wit of a chell Son in right.

1641
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 2: And it's not even exactly humorous. It's only humorous for

1642
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 2: how insulting it is, you know. And even then he's

1643
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: died even some of that back, Like remember when people

1644
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 2: would misweait, even when he was doing the magerstick, he

1645
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 2: would still go after them. He doesn't do that anymore.

1646
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 2: He doesn't really go after He has much bigger I mean,

1647
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 2: when he went after Lebron James, they were comparing not

1648
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 2: Lebron James, the coolbe per se, but they were sort

1649
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: of talking about this juxtaposition. On first take, He's realized

1650
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: you got to have huge targets. So he's not even

1651
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 2: really focused on MMA targets for the most part. It's

1652
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: more about the larger culture wars, and he sees himself

1653
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 2: as sort of an avatar for one of the soldiers.

1654
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: All right. But it leads me to a question now

1655
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 2: about the other side of the COINBC what happens if

1656
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: Trump wins. And I want to say it in the

1657
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 2: same way we talked about with Biden, where it's a

1658
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: reasonably normal election with reasonably normal results, and Trump wins

1659
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 2: out right in a way that is reasonably without controversy. Right,

1660
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 2: Let's imagine that, because there could be a million different

1661
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 2: spaces in between, but let's imagine that that has to

1662
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 2: be an unbelievable boost for him, because you got four

1663
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: more years thirty two years of age. He'd be thirty

1664
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,480
Speaker 2: six by the time that the president would be done.

1665
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 2: You would have built this good will where now I mean,

1666
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 2: you know this as well as I do. Being a

1667
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: one term president can be devastating for your historical record.

1668
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 2: Getting too doesn't absolve you from all of the different blame,

1669
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: or it doesn't absolve you from having your sort of

1670
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 2: name stock decline, but it puts you in an elite status.

1671
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: It gives you a way for the faithful to look

1672
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: back fondly upon you for a very long time. And

1673
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen in the next

1674
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: four years. It seems very uncertain these days, especially with

1675
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 2: the pandemic. But if he wins outright, that is something

1676
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 2: that Colby is going to be able to ride. I

1677
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: think not merely for the next four years, BC, maybe

1678
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: the next forty. That is something he might be able

1679
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,440
Speaker 2: to ride for as long as he has a professional

1680
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: and public life.

1681
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: Do you agree, I do? I do agree. He's got

1682
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: to be able to stay winning. He's got to be

1683
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: able to has to be a monster win, whether it's

1684
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: winning the welterweight championship or it's again getting him cooked

1685
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: up in some type of celebrity feud against a Connor

1686
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: type that he would end up winning to sort of

1687
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: keep his relevancy, because look at any stick is great

1688
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: until you suffer losses, right then it doesn't work. But

1689
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 1: he would have the opportunity few have had to really ride,

1690
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,839
Speaker 1: you know, the joining. I mean, it's almost like marrying

1691
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: Beyonce or something. If you know, it's that level of

1692
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: stardom and it just lifting you up. It would be

1693
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: fairly interesting. I mean, do you think how close do

1694
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: you think he is to his leveling out ceiling of

1695
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: us finding out how great he can be? Can he

1696
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: win a welterweight championship?

1697
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 2: Luke? I think he can. I don't know that he will,

1698
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: but you know, again, we go back to that fight

1699
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 2: with Ousman. It was one three three, one two two

1700
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: heading into the fifth. I mean, that was basically anybody's

1701
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 2: fight right, I mean something like that. He had a

1702
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 2: real opportunity to take that from him, and Uspin was

1703
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: the better guy that day. But I think if Kolby

1704
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: had fought a lo a little bit more, you know,

1705
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: in a more of a diverse way, I honestly think

1706
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: he maybe could have beaten him. But this is what

1707
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 2: makes the rematch so exciting. You saw Colby lose his

1708
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 2: shit when they were going back and forth at each

1709
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: other on that sort of split screen that they did

1710
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 2: after his last win over Woodley, and you could see

1711
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 2: that he was pissed and the fire was real. He

1712
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 2: was still on the adrenaline of having beat Woodley. I mean,

1713
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: Woodley is funny. We all thought that the Woodley versus

1714
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 2: Colby fight was the one to make. We were actually

1715
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: kind of concerned how the promotion might be that these

1716
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: were the two rivals that would define this generation of walterweights.

1717
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: It turns out not really turns out it's going to

1718
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: be Ousman probably in Colby, maybe Gilbert Burns wins. I

1719
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: don't know, but he doesn't have the same kind of heat.

1720
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: But if well, look it, somebody needs him to a

1721
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: certain degree, right Commercially, you need your you know, he'll

1722
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: be his Huckleberry. Imagine if they end up getting a

1723
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: title trilogy out of this, that could be fairly interesting.

1724
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,480
Speaker 2: They have they have this like chapter of the welterweight

1725
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 2: division together. You can't talk about one without the other.

1726
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 2: And maybe Koby Jones DC.

1727
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know, right, son and fought Silva

1728
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: twice and lost both, but he's still you know, that's

1729
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: what made him so. Look, Colby does have this potential

1730
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: Luke to go down like jail Son and as one

1731
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: of the greatest salesmen, a guy who, look, you can't

1732
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: get to that level of salesmanship unless your ability is there.

1733
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: But a guy who was able to elevate his status

1734
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: so much higher than he would have with a different

1735
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: persona there may be there may be a Chail like

1736
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: ending for him in that regard. That's there, you know,

1737
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: let me.

1738
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 2: Pivvy pitch this to you. Be See, Let's say Trump

1739
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 2: wins the election and again in a normal, reasonably non

1740
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 2: controversial way, and Colby goes on to win a title.

1741
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: Can he naturally outgrow what he has with this sort

1742
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: of representative of Trump will can he be something more

1743
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 2: than that without ever actually like leaving it? But like

1744
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: maybe adding on to the identity. Can he do that? Well? That?

1745
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the add on would be a cleverly smart

1746
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: face turn. Because again, if I don't get reelected a

1747
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: second time, there's a fairly loud majority saying that they're

1748
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: pro almost everything that the Maga red hat brings to

1749
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: the table. So there is the idea of Colby can

1750
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: win the championship, bring it to the Oval office and

1751
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: do that whole shtick that he turns babyface out of

1752
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 1: that and then you know, gets himself into a fight

1753
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: if it's possible with someone who other people don't like

1754
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: at all, and you know they look, it's happened. I

1755
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: even think Floyd Mayweather, who was sort of a purposeful

1756
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: villain most of his career in order to get you

1757
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: to pay to try to see him lose, there were

1758
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: times I thought he was attempting sort of he'll turn

1759
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: suddenly very humble and glowing with the media. You know,

1760
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's an angle there to get out

1761
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: of the idea of I'm just this this top shelf agitator. Look,

1762
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, stone cold Steve Austin as a good guy

1763
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: was really a good guy doing bad things, right, You know,

1764
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: drinking beer, pouring it over me. I mean, like, there's

1765
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: there's a way to pull this off. I don't know, though,

1766
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how long Colby can can win on

1767
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: this super elite level though, and carry that shtick going.

1768
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun to find out.

1769
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: Though we didn't we didn't actually talk about it. But

1770
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 2: what if going back to the original part of the conversation,

1771
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: what if Trump loses but then Colby becomes champion. Is

1772
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 2: that the moment where he can say, Okay, I wrote

1773
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 2: this thing out as far as it's gonna go net

1774
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 2: net it was kind of a win. Now I'm a champion.

1775
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: I can use this as some kind of launchpad for

1776
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: a way to pivot or redefine. It seems like if

1777
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 2: anything is gonna give you a new way to look

1778
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: at you, it's a UFC belt wrapped around your waist.

1779
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,480
Speaker 1: I got it. Instead of going maga, go go uh,

1780
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: what's that guy's name, Rob's John Kamanu.

1781
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: That guy ros Deeroff become.

1782
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: Rob's Jianka Deirov's Caddy. That's the only way that that

1783
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: Colby can take this villainous political gimmick and just rise

1784
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: it right back up to a whole new level, Luke, Okay,

1785
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: there it is right there, thank you.

1786
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be super interesting to see.

1787
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: You know that ends with a fight against a beib

1788
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: in Moscow. You know how that ends that story. That's

1789
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: how that ends.

1790
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: By the way, do you think, uh, you think he

1791
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 2: actually has of it? Or no?

1792
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, Luke. I don't know what's real and

1793
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:05,839
Speaker 1: what's not anymore.

1794
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Yeah, a lot of those dogs in

1795
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 2: that orbit who got COVID.

1796
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: I thought I had COVID when I went to the

1797
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: Eat of the Day after our thinking episode at the

1798
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: turn of the new year, but the antibody test said

1799
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think there was something happened, all right,

1800
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: something happened.

1801
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 2: That day.

1802
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: Beyond you acting like an old bitch because the public

1803
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 1: transportation system got me there late, good lord, Luke.

1804
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, my fault for getting up at four thirty

1805
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 2: and you still being late. My bad, My bad about that.

1806
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 2: Ah okay uh. For folks who liked the episode, give

1807
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 2: it a thumbs up. Subscribe. One more reminder tomorrow three pm.

1808
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 2: Right here, we're doing the live chat pitches, so don't

1809
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 2: go anywhere.

1810
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: Oddsuck, Luke, oddss all right, brother.

1811
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hold on for remind him, uh now that

1812
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm here live chat tomorrow three pm. But before we

1813
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 2: call it a day, Odds and ends concerned, what do

1814
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 2: you have?

1815
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: Look Wednesday night? That's tonight as we record this nine

1816
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: pm Easter on Showtime, It's show the New Generation. And look,

1817
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: this is a legit prospect In the main event, Junior

1818
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: middleweight Charles Conwell, former Olympian. He's twelve and zero with

1819
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: nine KOs out of Cleveland. Unfortunately, he is best known

1820
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: for that fight last October when he knocked out Patrick

1821
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: Day in Chicago. Day was unconscious four days later died

1822
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: in the hospital. Look, Luke, there are many fighters who

1823
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,799
Speaker 1: don't come back from this. You know Ray boomboom Mancini,

1824
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer, right when he was in that

1825
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: brawl with Duku Kim. He'll tell you himself he was

1826
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: never the same after that. I give Conwell a lot

1827
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: of credit with how he's handled the burden of this.

1828
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 1: No one ever asks to be the guy who lives

1829
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: in a fight like this, you know what I mean,

1830
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: Like I can't even unspeakable sort of guilt he had said.

1831
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, he came back last February. It was his

1832
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,879
Speaker 1: first fight back. He won by stoppage. Conwell had basically

1833
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: said he was in a real bad, bad place emotionally

1834
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: trying to deal with that. All that he has dedicated

1835
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: the rest of his career to Patrick Day. He's got

1836
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: a very interesting main event. You know how Showbox does this, Luke.

1837
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: They match him tough. Okay, Conwell coming in undefeated. He's

1838
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: facing Haiti's Wendy Toussaint, who is twelve and zero with

1839
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: five knockouts, a twenty eight year old Conbo only twenty two,

1840
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: a true rising prospects can be interesting to see how

1841
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: he comes out of this battle and Tussat. By the way,

1842
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: Tussaint's tall for the division and he sparred with derevin

1843
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Chenko ahead of this fight, so it should be a good.

1844
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: One for my odds and ends. They have not actually

1845
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 2: filed suit as far as I am aware, but Lance

1846
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 2: Palmer and I believe Kayla Harrison, some other ones maybe

1847
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 2: not Caleb, but certainly Lance A. Palmer and well maybe

1848
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: Kayla two, I'm not sure. Let's start with Lance Palmer.

1849
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 2: He has threatened to sue the PFL because he is

1850
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 2: claiming that they have kept him from making money during

1851
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 2: a short career window by virtue of delaying their season.

1852
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 2: You'll recall they were already supposed to be in the season.

1853
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 2: Rory McDonald's supposed to be there, not in his division,

1854
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: but you know it's part of this whole effort, and

1855
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 2: they had to cancel it or postpone it, depending on

1856
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 2: your perspective, to the next year because of COVID. Well,

1857
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 2: he is now saying, look at all these other promotions

1858
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: they've gotten going. They've been able to work this out.

1859
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 2: They've been able to figure out a way. I'm just

1860
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 2: sitting on the shelf. I can't make money. I don't

1861
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 2: know exactly what kind of law he's saying that PFL broke,

1862
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 2: or what kind of agreement in the contract that they

1863
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 2: didn't uphold. I guess we'll see if they actually go

1864
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: through with the lawsuit. But there are a lot of

1865
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 2: people in PFL who are unhappy, and Palmer has been

1866
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 2: a staple of that organization. I think winning the winning

1867
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 2: it a couple of times, certainly making a ton more

1868
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 2: money there than they might have otherwise. But he's pissed

1869
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,480
Speaker 2: BC and he wants out.

1870
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see how this ends. Up because

1871
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, PFL had made that early decision to just

1872
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of forego the season and not try to work

1873
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: this out. I know they're trying to get good. Pr

1874
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: just put out a release that they'd signed some new fighters,

1875
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: you know, some UFC cast off Shaman Marias among them.

1876
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel great for PFL at the moment here, Luke.

1877
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: I know, they just they signed Rory McDonald. I know

1878
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: there's you know, some things to like about their seasonal

1879
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: format here, but uh, I don't know. I don't have

1880
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: a law enough background to figure this out. But you

1881
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: want to fight the promotion won't let you. There's an

1882
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 1: issue there.

1883
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing. When they initially delayed their

1884
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 2: season and then gave everyone a stipend, there's a lot

1885
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 2: of people who are like, wow, that was really a

1886
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: smart move by PFL, because lord knows, we had no

1887
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: idea when things were going to get back to normal.

1888
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 2: They were trying to give people some money in the interim.

1889
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: But then two things have happened since then. One, they

1890
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 2: found out to make that stipend possible, they had to

1891
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 2: cut a shitload of fighters on the roster. And then

1892
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 2: number two, it looks like they misjudged, now, not necessarily

1893
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 2: by any fault of their own, but they misjudged how

1894
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 2: long it was going to take to find a workable

1895
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 2: solution to put on events in a COVID era, And

1896
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 2: now they're stuck with these dates that are not for

1897
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 2: a long time. And now they got fighters on the

1898
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 2: shelf being like, well, what the fuck I want to

1899
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 2: make some money. It's it's a difficult situation for them.

1900
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 2: I understand Lance's point, and I don't know what the

1901
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,879
Speaker 2: PFL could have done differently other than wait longer.

1902
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 1: It's filling the PFL, Luke, What does the PFL have

1903
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 1: to do to get you to care?

1904
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, they put on occasionally, and I'm not

1905
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: gonna bad mouth them. They put on occasionally interesting fights,

1906
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: and so occasionally I tune in. It's about it, all right.

1907
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 2: It's a good.

1908
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 1: Proofing ground for young Ali fighters, right.

1909
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 2: It's a great way for fighters who ordinarily would not

1910
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 2: necessarily make a ton of money to make a ton

1911
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 2: of money. So I like that Kayla Harrison so far

1912
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: has had a decent opportunity to get some practice there.

1913
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 2: I like that they've got some interesting fires that they've

1914
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 2: pulled from parts of Russia. That's cool. You know, some

1915
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 2: names have gotten popular there that ordinarily would not have

1916
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 2: Rory McDonald might find. I mean, there's things to like

1917
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 2: about it, but event over event, do I like get

1918
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: up for it? No? Not really?

1919
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Luke to close here, can we pour one

1920
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Speaker 1: out for the great Eddie van Halen.

1921
01:29:59,720 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 2: Ye?

1922
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: You know, we just had this whole talk about, you know,

1923
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: celeb deaths happened. I'm like, you know, I never knew

1924
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: that guy. I'm not that torn, you know, shout out

1925
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: to him and his family, but you know, I feel

1926
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: like I knew Edy van Halen. I mean, I can't

1927
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: even tell you the role he played in my music

1928
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: journey at multiple stops. This one was a tough one,

1929
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: you know, of throat cancer and what was he fifty

1930
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: six sixty that's it? Sixty five? Did you say?

1931
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right?

1932
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: It hurts all right. I always said if I was

1933
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: a fighter, my walkout song would be Mean Street by

1934
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: Van Halen with that freaking heavy ass riff. I mean

1935
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: I could say a million great things about him. Luke,

1936
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm morning, I'm morning, I'm morning it right, I'm not

1937
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: going to put all these video links and tweets about

1938
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: how much this guy mentioned me. But I'm mourning it, Luke.

1939
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I can't and I can't, and I won't

1940
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 2: pretend to be the biggest van Halen fan. But like

1941
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 2: if you grew up when we did where where we

1942
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 2: were little kids in the eighties and then came of

1943
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 2: age in the nineties, dude, it's impossible to understand music

1944
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 2: at that time without van Halen. They were they were

1945
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 2: quintessential eighties. They had some of the most important hits

1946
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 2: in the early nineties. Eddie van Halen, reworking Beat It

1947
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 2: by Michael Jackson, just absolute titans of those decades. Important

1948
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 2: for any number of reasons, and in the case of

1949
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 2: van Halen, like a legit virtuoso on the guitar.

1950
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: Oh bought it. Brought a classical background and was like

1951
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 1: no one, No one had his chops and technique and

1952
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: ability to make really since Hendrix make that instrument makes

1953
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: sounds that people had never heard before. So look, I

1954
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: got MTV in nineteen eighty four. That's you know, that's

1955
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: the last day of the Roth album, that all that

1956
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: All had, all the videos in the big hits, we

1957
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: talked about some of the best music videos in history.

1958
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Have a hot for Teacher by Van Halen among the

1959
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:48,679
Speaker 1: greatest music videos of all time. So yeah, we're mourning

1960
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: here now.

1961
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 2: You know.

1962
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Speaker 1: I even I even had a run with Van Hagar.

1963
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm not recognizing the Gary Scharon era though.

1964
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can skip. We can skip that one, all right.

1965
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 2: If you want to try Showtime, because by the way,

1966
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 2: there's to be fights on tonight, you can go to

1967
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 2: Showtime dot com get a thirty day free trial. If

1968
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 2: you like it, keep it. If not, it's okay, you're

1969
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 2: a loser. We understand there's losers out there. Let's see.

1970
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 2: We are on social media, BC. We're on Twitter, We're

1971
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 2: on Instagram, and of course, uh there's the show. If

1972
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: you wanna buy some merch, we are on YouTube. Give

1973
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 2: that video a thumbs up right here, hit that subscribe button.

1974
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 2: Lots more content coming your way tomorrow three pm the

1975
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 2: live chat Friday Show where we'll preview let's either it's

1976
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 2: belt or over the weekend. By the way, San Haagen

1977
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 2: Marie this weekend, BC day pretty excited about that MV.

1978
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: We got MVP for beltro fighting in Paris. We got

1979
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Cergey Lippernuts on Showtime a little little bit of a

1980
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 1: sleepy weekend, sneaking in some good fights there. I'm very

1981
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 1: excited here obviously next week a lot of big stuff

1982
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: Loma Chako Lopez, Yeah, yeah, injected right here, Luke. I'm

1983
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: getting fired up all right.

1984
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Speaker 2: And then, last but not least, we have an email

1985
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 2: morningcombat at gmail dot com Morningcombat at gmail dot com

1986
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 2: if you want to send us a note about anything,

1987
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 2: especially if for things we got wrong. We will do

1988
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 2: ronk Slide. We will do dead wrong on Friday, and

1989
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 2: I believe we have some imaging for it that we

1990
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Speaker 2: will debut on Friday. At the time. There's the EMU.

1991
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Speaker 1: Yeah, please do your homework for Friday. It is rewatching

1992
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety seven featherweight title about Prince Na Siemhamed

1993
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 1: versus Kevin Kelly Madison Square Garden. You can find many

1994
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: a replay on YouTube for the full fight. Make sure,

1995
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, you get the ones that have the

1996
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: full walkout and entrance, the pre fight high the post

1997
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: fight interviews. It's all on YouTube. Check it out. We're

1998
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: going to be reliving that. There ain't nothing like a

1999
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Speaker 1: Prince not seam fight.

2000
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Speaker 2: There ain't nothing or ay, nothing like it there, you

2001
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Speaker 2: have it all right. We appreciate you guys watching today.

2002
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Speaker 2: You have your homework, you have your assignments. I will

2003
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Speaker 2: talk to you at three pm East Coast time tomorrow.

2004
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Speaker 2: Until then, for Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas. May all

2005
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Speaker 2: of your games be loyal.