WEBVTT - Been There, Dean That: Havin a Ball in Havasupai 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.240 Hello everybody, and welcome to episode eight. I've been there, 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:10.440 Dean that we just got back from a trip, but 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.160 we're not going to talk about that trip just yet. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:13.760 I thought that's what we were talking about today. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.040 I was prepared, you are prepared about it? 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:17.880 Yeah, I thought you said we were going to talk 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:18.680 about it this week. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.720 We are Aruba. We're doing back to back apps. We're 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.239 doing an episode pre Aruba and the next episode will 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:26.720 be Aruba. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:28.520 What's pri Ruba? What are we talking about today? 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.440 Well, I'm so glad you asked, kailin, because today we 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.360 are going to be talking about something we mentioned in 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:37.680 last week's episode about Guatemala. Do you know you can 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.920 guess use that big brain Ireland, use the big brain 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.360 in your big in your regular size head. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.280 Ireland. No, we already talked about Saint Lucia. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.560 Yes, so we're just going to do it a little 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.800 quickie on have a sup? I have a sup? I 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:58.080 falls So Kaitlin and I this was back in November 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.960 of twenty nineteen, started dating. We had been dating since June. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.280 So what would that be? Four months? Yeah, we were fresh, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.120 five months. We were fresh. I think that everyone at 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.720 least now has to know of have a sup Eye. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.440 At the time, it was still very very popular, but 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.720 it's only just grown in popularity since then, and it 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.560 probably will continue to grow in popularity. But it's something 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.640 that had been on my list for a very very, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.520 very very long time. Did you know about how a 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:27.720 Supie before we went to it? 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:29.440 No? And I was just thinking, I don't think that 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.360 many people know about how a Supy, like I think 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.199 a lot of people do in our sphere. I'm putting 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:36.840 myself in that sphere because I've done a lot of 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:42.640 hiking with you, But like the hiking photography, there's no 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.800 other word but sphere, sphere. Those people kind of know 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.720 about it, but I don't think a lot of other 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.120 people outside of that know about it. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.760 That's surprising because a person like you of Indigenous descent, 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.520 you'd think, you know, there's a drive down there. I 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.280 know from the Midwestern tribes. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.240 Yeah, I don't think every Maybe I'm a bad Native American, 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.240 but I don't think we know about every tribe and 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.760 in location and what they have to offer. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:11.160 You're not and I'm not saying that you are bad 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.680 Native American whatsoever. I was just trying to be facetious 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.680 I suppose, but yeah, so have a Suphie is a 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:23.239 very well known indigenous population in northern Arizona. It's it's 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.800 well known for its waterfalls. Specifically, there's one waterfall that's 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.680 about one hundred feet tall. To have a sup Bye Falls 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.280 That is maybe the most breathtaking waterfall I've ever seen 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.440 in person. I would venture to say the most beautiful 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.520 waterfall in Northern America. I wouldn't go as far as say, 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:38.360 in the entire world. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.080 Because I think there was in America that, but we 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.560 have to take an into account Canada. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.600 Yeah, so like what Niagara, I. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.359 Was thinking, BAMFP has to have a cool waterfall. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.440 Okay, so let's just say this. It's the It's easily 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:59.200 the most picturesque waterfall in the Western United States. Sure, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.400 maybe it's just so beautiful and everyone had talked about it. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.760 My brother had done this hike years prior and listening 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.760 to this podcast, if you've listened to it for a while, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.280 you'll know that I'm obsessed with my brother and I 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.960 want to be more like him in every single way 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.320 that I possibly can be. He's always raved about it, 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.720 and I have just always always wanted to do it. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:23.839 But it's hard for me to have done stuff like this, Like, yes, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.519 I would love to do it by myself, but I 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.519 would rather do it with partners and my friends in 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.240 Los Angeles. They ended up doing it later on, and 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:33.760 I wish that I had reached out to them, like 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.880 trying to like catalyze this idea, but it never happened. 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.520 And then so when I got a girlfriend, I was like, oh, great, 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.000 I can just drag her along with me on this. 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:42.680 And boy was I dragged. 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.520 You were, Yeah, you were dragged. So what we did 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.000 was we hopped online. We had like a weird window 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.800 to make it work. We went in November, so I 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.839 think that's like kind of the lower season for them, 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.200 which ended up being pretty good for us because temperature wise, 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.680 it was a little cooler. It was still pretty blisteringly 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.760 hot during the day, but got kind of cold at night. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.960 I remember that anyway. So we've found some cancel tickets 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.280 on their website, which if you are looking at booking 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.520 a trip to have a soup, I'd go to their website, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.240 looks specifically under the cancelations tab because it books out. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.240 I think the tickets go on sale February first of 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.320 every year. And it books out incredibly fast, and we 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.320 found tickets just in the cancelation side of things. I 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:23.560 was looking at prices. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:24.560 Now they're crazy. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.600 Well, it's the same price as what we paid back 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.560 in twenty nineteen, which I was surprised by. It's one 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.280 hundred dollars per person per night. Yeah, and it's a 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.240 three night minimum. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:34.200 I thought it was more than that. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.520 But yeah, so for us, we spent six hundred dollars 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.479 just to go camping for three nights, which is just 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.359 mind blowingly expensive when you consider campsites are, you know, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.119 mostly free. Sometimes you're going to pay five, ten, fifteen bucks, 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.880 but one hundred bucks a night for per person is 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.880 just it's mind blowing. It's kind of worth it. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:51.880 I would say, would you say, oh, yeah, I think 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:52.640 it's worth it for sure? 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.080 I would say it's worth it at least once. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.760 I would definitely like to go back again. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.560 Yeah, I would one hundred percent go back again. But 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.080 even and that, you're kind of like, well, that's kind 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.320 of expensive, but it for one for your first time, 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:04.440 one hundred percent worth it. 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:09.240 Yeah, it's it's amazing. It is quite a trek in 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:09.800 and out. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.280 Yeah. So well, so let's get there first, So we 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.440 drove from Los Angeles. We had the van, thankfully, because 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.920 it's a seven hour drive from LA and do you 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:19.839 want to start early in the morning, and so you 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.400 don't want to leave at like one am, get there 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.800 at seven am, or get there eight am and then 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.520 start hiking. That's kind of a pain in the butt. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.400 So what we did was we drove from LA. I 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.560 think we stopped somewhere along the way like a rest stop, 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:30.960 and spent the night, and then we just kind of 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:32.600 like lazied our way into it in the morning. We 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.800 didn't start intol like nownish. We actually didn't start until 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.920 like one twenty pm, I know exactly the time. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:38.560 Wow. 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.880 Yeah, And well cause I read about on my blog, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.240 and so I went back and read my blog and 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.320 I was like kind of surprised and impressed by myself 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.440 how much detail I levied out onto the blog. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.880 Make sure you check out genybabies dot com if you 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:50.480 want to read more. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.600 Haven't updated in a few years. But I got to say, 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.120 I was pretty proud of myself for that content that 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.720 I had written there. I should get back into that. 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:57.960 So yeah, so we drove, we stayed the night, we 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.240 started hiking in the morning. I remember getting there. There's 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.960 a checkpoint a couple miles before the trailhead, and I 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.960 with my I was in my van, of course, and 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.880 it's kind of like driving in your small apartment where 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.480 things kind of just get locked lost amongst the clutter. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.320 You don't know exactly what's in there at all times, 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:14.960 versus a car where you're like, oh, I cleaned it 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:16.480 out last week, so I know exactly what's in here. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.960 There's nothing bad. I had like a couple extra beers. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.960 I had a drone. You're not allowed to bring alcohol 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:23.640 and you're not allowed to bring drones. Those are like 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.080 the three things they explicitly say don't bring these in. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.880 They do, like I pretty throw a search of your car, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.640 and especially being a van, they kind of like tore 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.960 everything apart. They found the beer, they found the drone. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.320 They just maybe empty the beer out there at the 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.320 At the ranger station, they asked about the drone. I 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.240 just told them that I flew it and crashed it, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.080 which is true, and so it didn't fly, and so 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.200 they like let me get off, thankfully. I think typically 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:45.320 they might take that from. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.839 You, but with other people we read up a little 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.799 bit on it, and if you have any of these things, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.280 they can turn you away. They're like basically can take 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.640 your permits, take your money, and they're like, sorry, you're 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:59.599 not welcome here. Yeah, alcohol and drones and somehow we 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:00.520 got to lucky. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.560 And imagine just driving seven hours and spending six hundred 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.400 dollars and getting all the way there and then and 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.599 not being allowed to enter. So if you do end 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.600 up going, make sure triple check and quadruple check that 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.520 you don't have these things in your car. Because they 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.120 were nice to us. I don't know how understanding that 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.680 would be for you know, future issues like that. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.200 But yeah, and they are thorough like they will go 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.080 through They went through our entire van, which is it 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.280 took a while, and they will go through your entire car. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.880 So don't try to hide anything, don't try to bring 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.520 anything in that you shouldn't because you'll get caught. Yeah, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:31.760 they've got dogs sniff in you. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.200 They got they do have a cute little puppy sniff 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.400 in you. So so we get there eventually and start hiking. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.520 I do have a breakdown of kind of what I 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.320 brought on the trip, but typically, like, of course you're 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.960 gonna need a tent, sleeping path, sleeping bag, cold weather clothes, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.440 some suit obviously, and very comfortable hiking shoes. We got 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.720 to the trailhead around one started hiking around one twenty, 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.000 and from there it's a ten mile hike to get 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:01.280 from the trailhead into the campsite. It's it's a unique hike. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.240 The way in is much easier than the way out 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.400 because it's all downhill. I think it's like two thousand 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.520 feet of elevation change, so you go down two thousand 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.080 feet on the way in and then obviously up two 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.560 thousand feet on the way back. Ten miles. I think 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.720 we did the whole thing in maybe like three and 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.640 a half or four hours, which is pretty good. Calen 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.360 hadn't really done much hiking at this point. I remember 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.520 your hip flexer was flaring up on you quite a bit. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.680 Yeah, I want to say so this was my first 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.080 big hike ever in my life. This was the most 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.320 I've ever hiked. I think like max before that was 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.760 one mile, so this was ten or eleven ten ten. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.600 And so we went to ARII and stocked up. I 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.120 had to get a bunch of new gear and stuff, 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.160 and I was like, it's probably time to get legit 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.880 hiking boots versus the crappy little ones that I have, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.560 And I went for style, which you should never do. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.679 Quickly learned and they were They didn't feel that heavy 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.960 in your hand. But you want like the most lightweight 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:54.280 possible hiking boots. Mine they were so they became so 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.400 heavy so quickly, like two miles in lifting my leg 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.880 each time pulled my hip flexer. And I was very 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.320 week at the time, but my hip flexer was pulled 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.360 so bad that I couldn't like it was just like 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.640 impossible to keep walking. So we had to keep taking breaks. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.880 So if you were looking for hiking boots, make sure 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:10.680 they are super light. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.120 Yeah, light is good. There is a trade off between 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.680 light and like formidable. You don't want a hiking shoe 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.640 that's like a super light shoe because then you'll feel 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:20.839 every rock underneath your foot. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.240 Well, mine are super light, but like heavy duty. The 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:25.040 new ones that I have. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.559 I mean, I firmly believe that a good hiking shoe 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.199 is maybe the most important thing you need when you 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:30.880 go hiking. If you have a bad pair of hiking 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.160 shoes that you don't find comfortable personally, it's going to 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:34.360 totally ruin your experience. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:35.960 Oh and it did on the hike in and then 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.480 I had to wear I'm a seven and a half 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.120 dian as a men's even eleven, and so I had 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.080 to wear his water shoes the rest of the way 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.560 because I was in so much pain. But it's hard 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.720 to know, Like that was the first long hike I've 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.960 ever done, it was hard to know exactly what to 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.559 look for. ARII has a great return policy, so you 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.080 can go on this hike and then you can return them, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.920 which is awesome. So luckily I got super lucky with that. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.959 But and it is a big trial and air thing too. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:03.199 My big, first big hike I went on in Patagonia. 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.079 I bought a pair of hiking shoes kind of unknowingly, 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.439 just bought the things that I thought would be best 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.160 hated them. So for fifty miles on that track, I 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.160 just absolutely hated my shoes until I eventually found the 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.360 shoes that I were Now are the Lesportiva's approach shoes, 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.320 like the t X four's, and I love them personally. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.040 I think it really just you just got to find 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.240 a shoe that you really like and know that you're 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:23.000 gonna be comfortable in. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.880 But that's exactly what it is. It's trial and error, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.480 and it sucks if you make an error on a 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:28.160 hike like that. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:40.520 Right, So we get there, we start hiking in. I 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.199 remember at one point I tried to take a video 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.080 or a picture of some of the horses and I 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.920 got shushed away. They're like, delete all that stuff right now. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.480 You're not allowed to have any pictures of the horses 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.040 or any of the people here, which I found surprising. 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.240 I will say too, if you are going to do 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.280 this hike, please don't use the pack mules. Yeah, it's 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.120 just a little sad it is, so you can hike 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.640 in with your back. And that's what Deem is taking 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:02.800 a photo of. I think if they were. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.760 Donkeys, I was just making a video or video. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.480 Yeah, and like it just happened to be an animal. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.440 But they were carrying people's gear in because some people 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.280 don't want to carry their own gear, and please don't 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:12.560 do that. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:18.960 Yeah, I agree, I agree, Yeah, I agree. Yes. And 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.760 so we get there. We get to the town of Supi, 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.880 which is like the small town of the Indigenous people 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.880 that live down there. And I actually did a little 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.800 bit bit of research before this did you know what 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.840 the village of Supi is the most remote indigenous territory 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.680 in the United States. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:33.720 I didn't. 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.040 It's located ten miles deep in the Grand Canyon Supy 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.240 Village and have a sup by water fowls, only accessible 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.960 by helicopter or on your own two feet. I just 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.000 found that really interesting that the most remote indigenous territory 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:48.720 in the US. So we get to the town, I 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.679 think we there's like a lot of misinformation out there 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.240 on what you can buy down there. We brought all 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.760 our own food and when we get down there, there's 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.800 like a restaurant. There's like little stands that kind of 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.040 review fried goods. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.080 Are you talking about the fry food fry bread? 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:05.359 I mean the fry bread. 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.640 The fry bread were there were like two stands once 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.520 you're within the hike. But then there's that little town. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.280 But that's still two or three miles before you get 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:14.280 tip yeah camp. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.719 So two miles before the campsite starts. There's there is 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.439 a restaurant though that we ate out on the way back, 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.160 and we got the jalapeno burgers and they were very 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.480 good at like I did because you don't eat beef, 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:25.960 but anyway, So we get there, we check in and 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:27.920 do all that stuff, and then we go to our campsite. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.600 The camping area was pretty full, I remember, So we 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.520 got a campsite that I wouldn't necessarily recommend. It was 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.360 like the very first Campsit in the left hand side, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:36.680 right when you get in, So we had a lot 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.160 of foot traffic going by us all day and all night. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.960 But they the campsites are appointed to you, like I 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:44.400 don't think so. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.000 No, you go in and it's just kind of like dispersed. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.439 You just kind of find a campsite that you want. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.560 I would recommend going towards the back. Do you remember 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.000 like those Yeah, the creep and all that stuff was 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:54.800 running through and there's a lot of really cool, unique 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.400 places to camp that we didn't really get the chance 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.679 to just because I think we got there super late. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.959 We got there at like five thirty in November, and 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.400 so it was like already pretty dark, and so we 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:03.760 were like setting up in the middle of the night, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.640 which was kind of a bummer. But we ended up 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.760 spending four days, three nights down there and no cell 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:12.680 phone reception. So just keep that in mind. Bring a 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.840 good book or download some stuff on your phone or something, 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.200 if that's what you want to do while you're down there, 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:17.120 just kind of killing time. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.839 We watched The Harry Bear, The Cubert Affair, The. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:23.920 Curious Affair of Harry Cubert or something like. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.360 That with McDreamy from Gray's Anatomy. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.520 Not a good show, but it kept us entertained. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.719 It's funny that every time I think about having a 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:32.720 SUP I think about that show. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.480 Yeah, that's all we watched, and I think we ran 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.840 out of episodes and so we just watched it again. Yeah, 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.600 which is pretty funny to think about. I would definitely 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.320 recommend going with like a big group. If we had 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:42.959 like six of us down there, we could play cards 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.320 or something like that. You know, it was great obviously 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:46.640 being down there just us too, but it would be 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:47.959 nice to have like kind of a bigger crew to 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:48.360 hang out with. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.560 Yeah. Group camping trips are always a good time. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.520 Yeah, So we get down there. Obviously the first thing 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.120 that you see we didn't really see much that night, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:56.600 but the first thing we saw in the morning was 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.760 have a sweep by falls, the big main waterfall and 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:05.520 just absolutely mind blowingly breathtaking, just so much water being 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.640 pushed down that waterfall, like it's got so much freaking 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.959 power it's insane. But what they do with hav A 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.439 sup I two is the only lot three hundred and 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.440 fifty permits per day, and so that's kind of why 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:15.920 it's such a hard thing to do, is to get 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.480 a permit. They book got really far in advance, that's 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.160 why you have to do the cancelations. And then then 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.720 there was only I found this out too just now 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.200 there's only six hundred and fifty Indigenous people that live 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.040 down there too. So while it is the most remote 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:30.720 indigenous village, it is also only six hundred and fifty people. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:32.640 And the people were pretty nice. They were. I mean, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.040 I could definitely see like living them, like being them 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.240 living down there, getting super annoyed by all these people 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.480 just coming and going every single day. But I don't 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.280 think we really had any negative run in with anyone 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:41.640 down there. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.240 Did We Just the animal run in, but that was it. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.120 Yeah. So one on what day two or day three, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.880 we hiked down to Mooney Falls, which is an incredible 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.480 hike down You remember that cliff side. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.000 Yeah, Oh, I was just talking about when you were 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.400 trying to take a photo of the horse or the 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:55.360 horses donkey either. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.320 You're talking about when you're sell the Big Horn sheep. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:58.760 No, that was terrifying. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.480 Yeah. So do you remember the hike down into Mooney Falls? 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.480 Yeah, also terrifying. Why the hike into Mooney Falls where 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:10.160 I had I started crying, Yeah, why, it was really scary. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.280 So you are hiking, it's like there's all these signs, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.560 it's like dangerous, dangerous, people have died, so dramatic. But 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.080 you know, I'm taking that to heart and freaking out. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.520 And then you're hiking down this little, tiny little tunnel 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.040 and then you have to hike backwards this rickety rickety 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.320 ladder and it's so high up and then the water 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.680 from the waterfalls like whacking you, and it's slippery and 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.840 my boots are slipping. It was pretty terrifying. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.080 Yeah, I mean I personally didn't think it was, but 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.200 I could see why you would think it is. Yep, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.960 it was, but amazing, right, Yeah. You eventually gritted your 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:43.360 teeth and got through it and got to the bottom 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:44.120 and it was worth everything. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.880 Going down terrifying. Going up is obviously a lot easier. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.520 So Mooney Falls is it almost looks like the same 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.400 size as Super I Falls. Maybe a little bit smaller, 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.320 but the pool is a lot smaller. You can't really 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.280 like swim around in it quite as much, and it 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:56.720 doesn't get as much sunk because I think it's a 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.960 little bit more in the canyon. And then we hike 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.760 down a little further down the river and just kind 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.040 of like walked around and enjoyed a lot of the 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.280 scenery down there. What I do kind of wish we 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.880 did well, I guess more so me was you can 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.720 hike like down that river really far and hit the 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.560 Colorado River at a certain point, and I think you 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.680 can even exit that way to a degree, but I'm 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.080 not really sure how that works. So if I were 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:18.800 to go back, I would venture further down. We just 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:20.480 kind of spent the whole day, like me entering around 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.640 taking photos and walking around and stuff. And then we 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.000 saw that bigcorn sheep on the way back on like 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.400