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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is the DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlemagne the guy.

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Speaker 2: We are the breakfast Club. We got a special guest

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Speaker 2: in the building, Congressman Eric Swawell.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Hey, thanks for having me on. How I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: You got such an interesting story because you're a Democrat

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Speaker 3: out of California. Yeah, but you were raised your parents

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Speaker 3: were Republican. Yeah, so you were a Republican. At what

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Speaker 3: made you? You know, so to speak?

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Speaker 1: They would tell you. They would blame college. I was

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Speaker 1: the first to go to college, and so they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he got brainwashed by those college liberal professors. But no,

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Speaker 1: the truth is my my dad was a cop. My

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Speaker 1: mom worked a number of odd jobs, made wedding cakes,

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Speaker 1: did ceramics, ran like a very large, probably unlicensed daycare

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Speaker 1: facility with me and my little brothers. And I was

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Speaker 1: the first one to be able to kind of get out.

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Speaker 1: And when I left the town, I grew up and

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Speaker 1: was called Dublin and everyone around us called it scrubling.

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Speaker 1: I started to realize that, and I think very much

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Speaker 1: resented that. It felt like there were like two pathsive

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Speaker 1: opportunity in America, like certainly in my community, which was

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Speaker 1: like if your parents knew someone, or they had like means,

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Speaker 1: to like work your ass off, probably twice as hard

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Speaker 1: different political parties, and I thought, well, Democrats believe in

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Speaker 1: we're at our best, I think that if you work hard,

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Speaker 1: no matter who you are, you should do better and

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Speaker 1: be in dream bigger and Republicans I saw it was

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Speaker 1: like a free for all approach. The truth is I

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Speaker 1: went to college on a soccer scholarship, so I never

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Speaker 1: really thought beyond the next game. It was only when

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Speaker 1: a teacher. He said, why don't you go to DC

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Speaker 1: rehab the injury in turn for your member of Congress

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Speaker 1: and see if you liked it. And I happened to

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Speaker 1: and I was working for a very moderate Democratic Member

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Speaker 1: compared to what was going on in the world. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: my parents are still Republicans today. I have three little brothers.

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Speaker 1: They don't talk about it that much, but I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure I know who they voted for. And I married

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Speaker 1: a girl from southern Indiana who grew up in the

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Speaker 3: Was it a particular moment or situation that made you

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Speaker 3: be like, I don't lean towards conservative anymore.

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Speaker 1: It was in the Bush presidency, you know, seeing a

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Speaker 1: I think that was kind of that completed for me,

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Speaker 1: the transformation. But it was really more about opportunity because,

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Speaker 1: their teams, And honestly, it was a little bit of

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Speaker 3: You think we'll ever get back to centrist politics ever again?

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Speaker 3: I hope.

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Speaker 1: So I mean I was also you know, I came

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Speaker 1: You know, we're going to lose our country if George

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Speaker 2: I want to ask, what do you think the biggest

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Speaker 2: thing the Democrats got wrong.

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Speaker 1: In the last election? Immigration and public safety? Break it down,

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Speaker 1: So forty percent of my constituents were born outside the

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Speaker 1: United States. That's probably one of the largest groups of

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Speaker 1: between having people who left everything showed resilience created something,

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Speaker 1: and like the wealth they can create in their community. Right,

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Speaker 1: So when you have like legal immigration channels, there's no end.

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Speaker 1: But the American people they're not going to let you

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Speaker 1: that until they see security at the border. And the

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Speaker 1: reality that the border was out of control was a problem.

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Speaker 1: So I think if we had just doubled down and said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we want border security, we want if people are going

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Speaker 1: to make asylum claims, we're gonna you know, put resources

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Speaker 1: if it's seeing that all you have to do is

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Speaker 1: People aren't going to want to hear your plan to

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Speaker 1: And then on law and order, I think we rightfully

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Speaker 1: And I think you can.

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Speaker 2: Have both because again I'll let you finish, but I

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Speaker 2: want to ask you something about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people want people want safety in their community. They

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Speaker 1: also don't want like the wrong person going to jail

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: My father's a retired police officer as well. One of

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Speaker 2: my dad's biggest things and even some of the police

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Speaker 2: get arrested, it feels like they are a kid for

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Speaker 2: more than a victim. A lot of times they go in,

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Speaker 2: there's no bail, they come right back out, they do

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Speaker 2: the crime over and over again, there's no harsh anything.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to it, they don't get arrested. If

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people in the public feel like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that perception. And I was a prosecutor

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Speaker 1: the rights. And so for me, it's really focus on

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Speaker 1: like serious violent sexual those three if you like, throw

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Speaker 1: for non serious, non sexual, non violent, and believe that

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Speaker 1: I think you can get it right. But right now,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example in California, So we had

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Speaker 1: They don't believe that. You know, people are irredeemable. But

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Speaker 3: You mentioned two things. You mentioned border, and you mission

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Speaker 3: and you want two things. You want to have some

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Speaker 3: I think what people missed about the border issue was

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Speaker 3: matter of people felt like these individuals were coming into

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Speaker 3: if you're really sanctuary cities, didn't take care of them,

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Speaker 3: and that's when people in those communities started complaining about, oh,

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Speaker 3: how are they coming here and they're getting you know,

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Speaker 3: room and board, how are they getting money in their pocket?

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Speaker 3: But we've been here suffering all of those years. So

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Speaker 3: my question is why have Democrats lost the economy war?

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Speaker 3: Because since World War Two, whenever it is a Democrat

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Speaker 3: in the White House, the economy does better. Why don't

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Speaker 3: you lead what a message that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point, if you're a family in

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Speaker 1: creates resentment. It was a cheap shot what those governors did,

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Speaker 1: but I mean the they won the messaging war. On that,

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Speaker 3: Well, how do you get those poor and disenfranchise people

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Speaker 1: Yes, it starts in school and it's gonna get worse

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Speaker 2: But I think what you said as well is is

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Speaker 3: If that people are able to do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And when you're taxing wages and the wealth, you know,

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Speaker 1: Right now? Yes?

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Speaker 1: They're the accomplices in the Republican Party to Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: That's right. They spend more time there, but only members

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Speaker 1: I'm going I'm not gonna enjoy going to church. We're

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Speaker 1: And so there's so many of my colleagues who I

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Speaker 3: Isn't that all of y'allo?

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Speaker 3: I just finished reading the original sin. So when I

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think many of us were behind the

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Speaker 1: And you saw immediately you had your two eyes. I

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Speaker 3: But he's doing it because Democrats saw what was happening

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember I was the pastor

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Speaker 1: My campaign lasted probably as long as this interview, but

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Speaker 1: during the debate I said past the torch for that reason.

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Speaker 1: I wanted a generational change then. And yes, would it

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Speaker 1: have been better if he had done that once he

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Speaker 1: had all of those successes, you know, going into the midterms, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And I do think going forward we would be best

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Speaker 1: served if the DNC put in place a rule that

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Speaker 1: said we will not nominate a president who is collecting

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Speaker 1: Social Security. So if you're old enough to collect Social Security,

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Speaker 1: you probably should not be president. I think we have

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Speaker 1: to be the party of the future going forward, So

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Speaker 1: make the cutoff sixty seven.

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Speaker 3: Age of cognitive decline though, because I mean, Joe, I

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Speaker 3: mean it's perception.

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Speaker 1: Though, it's perception.

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Speaker 3: Donal Trump's only a few years, a few years younger

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Speaker 3: than by somebody like Bernie any right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's crazy. He's fucking crazy. Like you listen

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Speaker 1: to the guy. He spoke to West Point Cadets the

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Speaker 1: other day and he was talking about trophy wives, right,

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Speaker 1: and everyone there's like, wait, we this is the guy

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Speaker 1: that's sending us off, you know, into battle. No, he's

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Speaker 1: he's losing it too. And what about Bernie Finn. I

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Speaker 1: think we need to pass the torch. Like we have

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Speaker 1: plenty of you know, great leaders. We have a deep

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Speaker 1: bench that could lead us, you know that are not

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Speaker 1: in their eighties. And so if we want to be

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Speaker 1: the party of the future, if we want to have

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Speaker 1: ideas of the future, if we want to take on

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Speaker 1: ai right, if we want to understand these issues that

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Speaker 1: our kids are going to have to inherit, I think

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Speaker 1: you need to look like the future. So I believe

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Speaker 1: what I said back in twenty nineteen at that debate,

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Speaker 1: and I believe it now. And I hope we get

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Speaker 1: that message when we start to think about twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: But we can't even have free and fair elections in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight if we don't win the midterms. If

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Speaker 1: we lose the midterms, forget it. There will not be

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Speaker 1: free and fair elections in this country. I agree, I

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Speaker 1: agree with you. I do have a question.

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Speaker 2: You know, we look at Donald Trump, and Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: has been signing executive orders, pardoning his people, his core

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Speaker 2: to the people in the public looks like he looks

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Speaker 2: out for his own.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Democrats don't look look like they look out

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Speaker 1: for their own.

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Speaker 2: Talk about that a little bit because somebody who sees

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Speaker 2: that says, well, why am I messing with Biden? Where

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Speaker 2: Biden wouldn't pardon his best friend, he partner the son,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't partner his best friend with Donald Trump or pardon

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Speaker 2: anybody that rides.

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Speaker 1: From We definitely pardoned a lot of his best friend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't Maryland. I think the issue is Democrats are

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Speaker 1: weak with power. Say it again, Democrats are weak when

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Speaker 1: we have power. So we had the White House, the House,

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Speaker 1: in the Senate, and not a mom in America would

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Speaker 1: say that her kid was safer at school. All right, Right,

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Speaker 1: So I have three little kids. My two oldest, they

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Speaker 1: do mass shooter drills. They're eight, and they're and so

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Speaker 1: they would look at Democrats and say, wait, we gave

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Speaker 1: you that Holy Trinity, White House, Senate House, and y'all

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Speaker 1: couldn't pass background checks or an assault weapons ban and

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Speaker 1: you let what like the filibuster get in the way

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Speaker 1: of it. So if Democrats in Republicans, by the way,

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Speaker 1: they they will lean in with thin power and pass

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Speaker 1: unpopular positions. So if we were as strong with power

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Speaker 1: to pass popular positions, imagine how people would perceive us.

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Speaker 1: Almost eighty percent of gun owning Republicans believe in background checks,

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Speaker 1: and we couldn't even get that done. So I think

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Speaker 1: the next president and the next Democratic majority has to

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Speaker 1: flex when we have power. I think we have to

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Speaker 1: also we have to have an anti corruption agenda as well.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to clean up and clear out

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, frankly, because I think Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: now just saying it out loud that he corruptly appointed

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Speaker 1: judges to the Supreme Court. He's in this little fight

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Speaker 1: with Leonard Leo and he said, I was told these

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Speaker 1: judges and these justices on the courts, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: going to go my way. And he's upset that some

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Speaker 1: of them mar I mean, he's saying out loud that

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Speaker 1: he has corrupted the courts. So we need to put

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Speaker 1: in place. I think term limits on the court. I

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Speaker 1: think we need to have a code of ethics for

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Speaker 1: these justices. I don't think members of Congress should be

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Speaker 1: trading stocks. I don't trade individual stocks. Apparently that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm still in staking on debt. Yeah, but I do

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Speaker 1: see the opportunity for us, you know, to win the midterms,

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Speaker 1: win the presidency, and flex with power and get rid

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Speaker 1: of the filibuster and show people that when we have power,

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Speaker 1: we know what to do with it.

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Speaker 3: They should have been got rid of Phil. I want

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Speaker 3: to ask you this about Donald Trump. Why do a

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Speaker 3: lot of Democrats still talk like Donald Trump is campaigning?

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Speaker 3: Like when I hear y'all speak, it's like everything is

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Speaker 3: anti Trump, anti Trump, anti Trump, which I understand because

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Speaker 3: you know, he is doing a lot of things that

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Speaker 3: I would consider corrupting, unconstitutional. But he's in the white House,

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Speaker 3: all right, Yeah, Like you're not running against him any more.

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Speaker 3: You still talk like you're campaigning against him, like you're

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Speaker 3: trying to convince America he's bad. He's bad, he's bad.

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Speaker 3: He's in the white House, he's the president. There has

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Speaker 3: to be another scritity.

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Speaker 1: Well, the strategy should be to tie him to the

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Speaker 1: Republican accomplices, because because those are the folks who you

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Speaker 1: can hold accountable in two years. Right, You're not going

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Speaker 1: to be able to vote for Donald Trump next November,

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Speaker 1: but you can vote for the Republicans that allow these tariffs,

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Speaker 1: you know, to happen. You can vote, you know, for

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Speaker 1: the Republicans who have taken away, you know, your access

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Speaker 1: to healthcare. You can vote for the Republicans who have

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Speaker 1: enabled the doctors who do cancer research at the UNIH

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Speaker 1: you know, to be fired. By the way, there's a

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Speaker 1: brain drain happening right now where European and Canadian leaders

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Speaker 1: are calling our best cancer researchers, our best cybersecurity experts,

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Speaker 1: our best engineers and saying I'll give you a visa,

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Speaker 1: I'll fund your research, come here. And so we are

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Speaker 1: losing the best. So we have to tie Trump's actions

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Speaker 1: to those who are also complicit, because you can actually

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Speaker 1: hold them account and you can vote them out.

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Speaker 3: So what about when you see people like Elon Musk

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Speaker 3: speaking out against the GOPS, you know, Mega Bill, saying

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Speaker 3: that it's going to add money into the deficit. All

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Speaker 3: you I respect that, Yeah, I respect. I've been seeing

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Speaker 3: a lot of people in the GOP do that. To me,

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Speaker 3: that's something that I never even used to see Democrats

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Speaker 3: do in regards to Biden. So to your point, what

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Speaker 3: I think is going to happen is people are just

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Speaker 3: going to lean back towards more just a traditional conservative

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Speaker 3: because they still seem like they're being honest and the

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Speaker 3: Democrats still feel like they full of shit.

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Speaker 1: We have that trust deficit because of what happened in

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Speaker 1: the last election. And then that's why I think the

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Speaker 1: best way to address it is to promise that you're

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Speaker 1: going to look like the party of the future and say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, like we're going to nominate someone who

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Speaker 1: looks like the future. I think that acknowledges the issue

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Speaker 1: in the last election. Contrast yourself with who the current

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Speaker 1: president is. And by the way, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a shit show for them to sort out who their

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Speaker 1: nominee is twenty eight because you have the question of

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Speaker 1: whether Trump would run again, whether it would be a

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Speaker 1: se I can't.

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Speaker 3: Even be discussing it.

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Speaker 1: No, no, because if we lose the midterms, by the way,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So the midterms is my focus in

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Speaker 1: time Trump's actions to those who are voting on all

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Speaker 1: of this in the midterms, that's the way to win.

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Speaker 1: But our message has to be, as I said, aspirational

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Speaker 1: that if you bet on yourself, you will have a

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Speaker 1: government that'll bet on you. That's how I'm approaching this.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing town halls in Republican districts twice a month

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Speaker 1: where they won't hold town halls, and I'm seeing not

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Speaker 1: just the Democratic base show up, but Republicans, Independence, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of veterans, a lot of service member hats

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Speaker 1: at these town halls because no one has fired more

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Speaker 1: veterans and no one's enabled it more than Republicans in Congress.

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Speaker 1: And so we have a real opportunity in the midterms.

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Speaker 1: We need just three seats and we can cut our

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Speaker 1: time in hell in half by winning the midterms.

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Speaker 3: I was reading a Wall Street Journal yesterday and they

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Speaker 3: asked the question about David Hall. We had David hallgill

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Speaker 3: Be a couple weeks ago, and the question was that

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Speaker 3: David Hog Democrats were nightmare or their savior.

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Speaker 1: I'm on David's board, and i was on his board

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Speaker 1: when he founded it. I've known him since Parkland because

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Speaker 1: that's the issue I care the most about. Look, David's

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Speaker 1: not wrong that the question is not are you far

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Speaker 1: left or center left? It's will you bring old tactics

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Speaker 1: or new tag agree? And if you're not up to

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Speaker 1: bring new tactics to take on what's happening, then these

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Speaker 1: times are revealing who should lead and who should leave.

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Speaker 3: I agree. So, I mean, I think that anybody who

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Speaker 3: is not putting up the proper fight, they should be primary.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's going to take Democrats. When you

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Speaker 3: talk about the future of the Democratic Party, the future

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Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party is going to be you know,

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Speaker 3: it's going to take some of those people, now that's

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Speaker 3: the future, to throw the old regime under the bus well.

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Speaker 1: And it's going to take like this Avengers, like model

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Speaker 1: of Jasmine Crockett, Maxwell Frost, Robert Garcia, people that you'd

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Speaker 1: not seen before just step up. And then we're going

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Speaker 1: to get to the end of this year and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna win in Virginia and New Jersey in those governor's races.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna give us momentum, and then the leader becomes

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Speaker 1: I think the the leader is today, but the publicly

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Speaker 1: perceived leader is Hakim Jeffers, right, because he's got to

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Speaker 1: make the case. He's that we're winning the House. He's terrible,

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Speaker 1: but that he's the leader of the party. And he's

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Speaker 1: got in my position only yeah, but he's he's got

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Speaker 1: he's the if we win, he's the speaker, right, So

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Speaker 1: he's got to make the case in the fall that

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Speaker 1: this is the agenda, these are the seats win there,

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Speaker 1: and now we have the majority of the House.

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Speaker 3: The reason I Donald trust guy like Hakim is because

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Speaker 3: he's so willing to still bend a knee to the

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Speaker 3: old regime. He's not going to ever speak out against

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Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer. He's never going to do that.

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Speaker 1: But I can.

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Speaker 3: But you're not the leader.

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Speaker 1: I want the leader.

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Speaker 3: I want hakm Jeffries to speak out against jucku Wan.

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Speaker 3: When chuckx Human says, hey, we got to support this

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Speaker 3: bill that Donald Trump is doing, you got to say no,

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Speaker 3: we gotta hold the line. You have to be willing

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Speaker 3: to speak out against people in your own party. That's

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Speaker 3: the only way to gain trust from people.

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Speaker 1: And you've seen, at least on the House side that

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Speaker 1: we've held the line. Right. Not a single one of

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Speaker 1: us voted for reconciliation. No one voted to keep you know,

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Speaker 1: the the Doge government open when that vote came in March.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, I have seen colleagues who no

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Speaker 1: one knew their name until a couple months ago emerge

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Speaker 1: and that's encouraging to me. It just shows that there

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Speaker 1: is a deep bench. And that's why I think being

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Speaker 1: the party of the future has to be our priority

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Speaker 1: because the past was rejected last November.

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Speaker 3: Why should we have a trust the Democratic Party after

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Speaker 3: they lied to us so long about bread and Biden.

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Speaker 3: And I'm big on this because I just read the

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Speaker 3: original sin and I'm just like, I don't see I

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Speaker 3: think that Democrats have tried every strategy except for two things.

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Speaker 3: Honesty encourage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's a lot of people who are courageous

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Speaker 1: right now in the Democratic Party. Our bread and butter

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Speaker 1: issue are danced with. The one that brought you is healthcare.

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Speaker 1: People have always trusted us on healthcare. That's our issue,

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Speaker 1: from President Johnson to President Obama to when Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: to take it away. That's how we won the House

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. And now this Reconciliation bill is going

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Speaker 1: to take fourteen million people off their health care. We're

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Speaker 1: not only going to protect healthcare because I think protecting

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Speaker 1: health care is not enough. We need to invest in cures.

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Speaker 1: And these motherfuckers are firing cancer doctors. So we have

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Speaker 1: a real clean contrast. We're for cures, they're for cancer,

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Speaker 1: right like that, So like, that's why you should trust us.

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Speaker 1: Because forty percent of Americans are going to get a

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Speaker 1: phone call from a doctor to say I'm sorry you

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Speaker 1: have cancer, And so you're gonna if it doesn't come

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Speaker 1: to you, it's gonna come to someone you know. And

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Speaker 1: so you want the party that believes in your health

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Speaker 1: care and that you have a right to fight it

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Speaker 1: and not go broke. And I think we have a

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Speaker 1: chance to do that.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, well, I know Democrats do have a

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Speaker 3: messaging problem, because it's almost like Democrats love faxing figures,

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Speaker 3: but Republicans talk to people's gut, their emotion. When will

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Speaker 3: we all learn to hit back emotionally?

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Speaker 1: We think messaging is winning a Harvard Law School moot

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Speaker 1: court competition, and I think messaging is winning a gut

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Speaker 1: check at the bar or the bus stop. And so

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Speaker 1: it means just speaking plainly. And when you see the

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Speaker 1: other side elect a thirty four count felon, you should

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Speaker 1: probably see yourself as liberated to just say what you

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Speaker 1: believe and not be so polished and scripted and try

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Speaker 1: and project what you think a politician should sound like.

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Speaker 1: Because people can call bullshit, and they're calling bullshit, and

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Speaker 1: so I hope what you're seeing now is more and

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Speaker 1: more of my colleagues liberated. Can it produce some cringe moments, yes,

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Speaker 1: But the other part of this is to always be on,

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Speaker 1: like always beyond. And I'll give you an example. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the twenty the last election, many people

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Speaker 1: would say the biggest mistake Kamala Harris made was when

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Speaker 1: she went on the view and said that she wasn't

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Speaker 1: doing any different frien than Joe Biden. I think the

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Speaker 1: biggest mistake was that it would be I think four

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Speaker 1: or five days from when she said that to when

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Speaker 1: she did another interview. Donald Trump makes five mistakes an hour,

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Speaker 1: but he's always on and so it just washes it out.

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Speaker 1: And so when you allow that amount of time to

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Speaker 1: go by, you're going to be defined by the other side.

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Speaker 1: And so I think the lesson is one be yourself,

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Speaker 1: but always be on. Go to as many places as possible.

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Speaker 1: After the election, I saw that sixty eight percent of

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Speaker 1: the people who voted identifying some form or another as Christian.

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Speaker 1: So I told my staff, I said, put us on

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Speaker 1: the top twenty Christian podcast. So for the last four months,

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Speaker 1: about once every other week, I'm going on a Christian

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Speaker 1: podcast just to try and go to more spaces. You

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Speaker 1: get it in places, and most people don't. I think

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Speaker 1: more and more are though.

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Speaker 3: That's hilarus. That's like going the opposite of the birls.

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Speaker 3: Y'all go to Andrew and Dio and Drogan.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to the Christians, right, But like, I'm a

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Speaker 1: Christian and I don't want to be defined by what

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Speaker 1: Republicans think of me, Like I don't wear it on

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Speaker 1: my sleeve in my politics like they do. But I

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Speaker 1: also don't want sixty eight percent of the electorate to

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Speaker 1: think that I don't respect or understand who they are.

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Speaker 1: And so to me, be yourself always beyond, because if

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Speaker 1: you're not always on, you're gonna get defined. And this

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Speaker 1: happened to us in the last election on issues that

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Speaker 1: we weren't talking about that much, but they would define

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Speaker 1: and exaggerate, and then we found ourselves on defense because

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Speaker 1: we were too scripted and we were too cautious.

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Speaker 3: But you also know, you know, Vice President of Kamala has.

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Speaker 3: The reason she did that on the view is because

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Speaker 3: nobody wanted to pis Biden off. Biden wanted his legacy

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Speaker 3: to be intact. You could read the original Sin and

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Speaker 3: see that he cares more about his legacy and his

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Speaker 3: ego and how the Biden name.

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Speaker 1: Is perceived than anything.

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Speaker 3: So he put himself over the party and the future

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Speaker 3: of America. So she didn't want to break away from that.

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Speaker 3: I bet you she had stunts, marching orders, do not

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Speaker 3: break away from Biden, don't make his legacy look crazy.

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Speaker 1: And this is a leadership test, right, Like you have

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Speaker 1: to show like whether you're going to be your own

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Speaker 1: person or not. And that's that's what people were looking for.

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Speaker 3: You came up during Obama's rise, right, I came in

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve. So what do you what do you think

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party lost after Obama?

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Speaker 1: Exodent? I think we are perceived as protecting the status quo.

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Speaker 1: And when we like here's a perfect example, we will say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we need to protect democracy, and people are like,

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Speaker 1: protect democracy. Democracy isn't working for me, Like, why would

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Speaker 1: I want to protect a corrupt system when we probably

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Speaker 1: should be approaching it as like we need to fix democracy.

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Speaker 1: It's too hard for most people to vote in a democracy.

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Speaker 1: You have a legal system where the wealthiest can find

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Speaker 1: their way out of it, while everyone else you know,

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Speaker 1: is subjected, you know to it. Money buys you access.

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Speaker 1: In this democracy, you can go to Trump's meme coin

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Speaker 1: dinner or spend a million dollars and then get the

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Speaker 1: bill you want passed or the pardon you need for

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Speaker 1: your family members. So people don't look at democratsy something

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Speaker 1: that needs to be protected. They look at it as

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Speaker 1: something that needs to be completely fixed. And I think

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Speaker 1: we have been seen as defenders of the status quo

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Speaker 1: and not willing to be bold enough to break and

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Speaker 1: smash things to help regular people.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying. I really feel that the

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Speaker 3: future of the Democratic Party, in order to be the future,

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Speaker 3: you have to throw those old regimes under the bus.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your service, but that don't work anymore,

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Speaker 3: especially after what just happened over the last four years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no message received. And if you don't get that message,

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Speaker 1: I don't think your voters are going to keep you

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Speaker 1: in right.

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Speaker 3: I had a couple more questions, Yeah, that did the

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Speaker 3: Chinese spy scandal hurt your credibility? Are the Republicans just

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Speaker 3: weaponized like a nothing burgus so to speak?

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Speaker 1: You know the fact that the FBI and the House

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Speaker 1: Ethics Committee said it was bullshit, Like I I would

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Speaker 1: hope that would be enough. But like in a disinformation society,

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Speaker 1: like I recognize that it's everyone on the rights favorite

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Speaker 1: meme my wife tells me all the time, you know what,

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Speaker 1: the second they're not going after you, you're not affected.

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Speaker 1: And so I wear it as a badge of honor

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Speaker 1: that these guys would want to lie about me all

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Speaker 1: the time, because I think it means that I'm landing

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Speaker 1: punches politically on them. That sting, and frankly, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans look at me as like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a straight, white Christian male son of a cop,

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Speaker 1: like everyone else like him looks like me, So when

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Speaker 1: he comes at me, it's more betrayal to them. Like

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Speaker 1: I've heard that from them on their side. That's that's

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Speaker 1: why they take it so personally. So I'm not going

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Speaker 1: away and they can say what they want and the

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Speaker 1: death threats will come. But if they think I'm going

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Speaker 1: to drop my lawsuit from January sixth against the president,

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Speaker 1: if I regret being an impeachment manager, or if I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to like go out and work my ass

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Speaker 1: off to help us win the midterms, like they're wrong,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going away with I came from nothing. I

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Speaker 1: was raised by a cop who did the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Like to me, I'm playing with the House's money, so

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Speaker 1: to speak, and so this is just a right or

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Speaker 1: wrong mission for me.

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Speaker 2: You get a lot of pushback from your party because

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Speaker 2: of you talk so real. You really don't give a

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Speaker 2: fuck about what you say. You speak from the heart.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I don't think so. Actually, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the newer members will come to me before they do,

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Speaker 1: like bigger interviews can ask you how to be here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And as I try and I try and be the

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Speaker 1: mentor to newer, younger members that I didn't have when

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Speaker 1: I came in, I will say the best mentor I

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Speaker 1: had was Nancy Pelosi, not necessarily on messaging, but just

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Speaker 1: on like wielding power. She put me on the Intelligence

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Speaker 1: Committee in my sophomore term. She put me at the

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Speaker 1: seat next to her on the Leadership Committee as the

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Speaker 1: chair of the steering and part I'll see on my

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Speaker 1: third term. And so I learned like up front and

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Speaker 1: center with her, you know, how to like work the

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Speaker 1: caucus and wield power. I mean, because she knew how

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Speaker 1: to flex. That woman knew how to flex. She's one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest leaders I think we'll have had in

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Speaker 1: our country in one hundred years, made a lot of

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Speaker 1: money too. As trade we should not trade stocks period

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Speaker 1: that we should not trade stocks. But I try and

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Speaker 1: mentor the younger members, and what I tell them is,

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Speaker 1: I said, is give me your zero draft when you're

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Speaker 1: asked a question, don't give me yours, like when you're

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Speaker 1: doing an interview. Don't give your first draft or your

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Speaker 1: second draft. Just give what's in here, because that's probably

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Speaker 1: what got you here. In the second you start trying to,

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Speaker 1: as I said, make it appropriate for everyone, then you

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Speaker 1: lose everyone. Yeah, so no, I haven't. If there is pushback,

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Speaker 1: they're not saying it to my face.

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Speaker 3: You know. When it comes to social media, you know

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Speaker 3: they are. They do try to kill your credibility all

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Speaker 3: the time with the fang fang memes. So do you

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Speaker 3: think people.

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Speaker 1: Will laugh at them? My best buddies will just send

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Speaker 1: them to me, And I'm like, God, damn it.

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Speaker 3: What do you think you think people trust politicians who

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Speaker 3: speak out against foreign interference when they themselves has been

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Speaker 3: caught up in it, even if they were cleared, even

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Speaker 3: though you were clear.

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Speaker 1: I hope they would see that, like the reason by

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Speaker 1: the way, when this volunteer came to our campaign in

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama's first term, so that's how long ago it was.

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Speaker 1: And I see it as because the FBI said, we

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Speaker 1: don't know who this person is, so we want you

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Speaker 1: to help us understand it. And then the FBI said

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Speaker 1: all I did was help. I see it as I

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Speaker 1: have more credibility because when I had someone who we

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Speaker 1: didn't understand who they were trying to help my campaign.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say, hey, can you raise a lot of

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Speaker 1: money for me? Can I build you know, a real

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Speaker 1: estate deal in your country's capital. Can you help get

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Speaker 1: me votes for my election? No, I said, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to work with law enforcement. When Donald Trump did the opposite,

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Speaker 1: right when he had Russians come to him, he was like, Russia,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening, still trying to do a Trump tower

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Speaker 1: deal in Moscow. So I would say I actually did

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Speaker 1: what you would hope any elected official would do. But

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Speaker 1: I get it like this is, as I said in

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Speaker 1: the beginning, it's all existential. Now it's it's as Bill

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Speaker 1: Clinton called it, the politics of personal destruction, Like they

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Speaker 1: have to destroy me because I'm a threat, and look

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Speaker 1: at look at what Jasmine's going through right, she's real

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Speaker 1: she lands on them and so they they are all

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Speaker 1: over her. And I've told her, I said, they're going

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Speaker 1: to do this to you until you go away, and

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Speaker 1: you can't hide under the bed. And she's not hiding

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Speaker 1: under the bed, and she's not going to she's not

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Speaker 1: going away, but that that's what they want you to do.

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Speaker 1: And they're they're very effective at finding the threats and

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Speaker 1: our party and trying to make them go away. And

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Speaker 1: as I said, I you can't intimidate me like I

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Speaker 1: I live with, like the power going out when I

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Speaker 1: was a kid and we all SCRAMed to figure out

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Speaker 1: how we're going to turn the power back on, like

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Speaker 1: I've lived through the worst. Like some Chinese meme that

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Speaker 1: you're gonna make about me, like that doesn't bother me.

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Speaker 3: My last question, is there anything Democrats can do to

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Speaker 3: stop the GOP megabill.

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Speaker 1: Yes, continue to go to Republican districts and put pressure

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Speaker 1: on I'm getting seven hundred to one thousand people in

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Speaker 1: these districts when I go and do town halls, and

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Speaker 1: that downward pressure that is we only need to flip

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Speaker 1: three of them in the house, when if it comes

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Speaker 1: back again, same thing in the Senate, and we have

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Speaker 1: Senate seats that we did not think were in play

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Speaker 1: that are going to be in play, not just North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: but also Florida, Iowa. I mean, look at the Senator

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Speaker 1: of Iowa. Two weeks ago. You would not have said

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Speaker 1: that Iowa was going to be a threat. And then

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Speaker 1: the Senator of Iowa went out and said, well, who

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Speaker 1: cares if we're cutting medicaid. We're all going to die anyway.

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Speaker 1: So like going to those states, doing these town halls,

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Speaker 1: bringing out not just Republicans but also independence, not just Democrats,

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Speaker 1: but Republicans and independence. That works, And it's also an

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Speaker 1: organizing tool, a muscle for us, you know, to exercise,

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Speaker 1: so that we're ready to flex it at the mid terms.

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Speaker 3: Nextime is your Democrats who support this bill be shamed.

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Speaker 1: No, Democrats, you shupport this bill?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we do not support this bill.

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Speaker 3: Is this this is the same bility that Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 3: said he wanted to support, right, No, no, the spending

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Speaker 3: bill that was a spending bill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's going to come back up in September.

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Speaker 1: And I hope we learned our lesson from what happened

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Speaker 1: in March. We should not be helping these guys get

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Speaker 1: well because, as I said, they're firing cancer doctors. That's

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Speaker 1: what when you fund their government, you're funding the government

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Speaker 1: that is firing cancer doctor.

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Speaker 3: Are they really cutting Medicaid? Yes, but they said they're not.

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Speaker 1: I mean they say a lot of shit that they're

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Speaker 1: actually doing.

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Speaker 3: I mean we don't read the bills, don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, they're really cutting.

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Speaker 3: It's really in it. And they want to cut Medicaid.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it It will kick fourteen million people off Medican Wow.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen million people. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Congressman Eric Swollwell, thank you so much for doing my

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Speaker 2: pleasure this morning, and don't be a stranger.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back all right. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club