00:00:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests, you're o presences, presents, and I already had too much stuff. 00:00:35 Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:49 Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Britcher Winegar. If you're hearing this, I made it to Burbank. You're here with me in Burbank. We're doing in Burbank. What's going on? Nothing has really happened. I mean, not that anything ever happens personally for me. In the last few days. I don't have that much. But I was on the Patreon recently kind of. I was getting into an issue that I feel like needs to go public, and it has to do with sauce. Sauce should be free. People have started charging for sauce, and I think we have to do something about this. The first sauce, at least if I make an order for something that has a sauce, the first sauce should be free. I paid a dollar for sauce the other day, a dollar. That's ridiculous. I know things cost money, but the first sauce should be free, so let's start spreading the word restaurants. You're on watch. I had a dream last night. I was speaking of restaurants. Yeah, last night I had a horrible dream where I had to wait longer than usual at a restaurant and it just took all night. It was agony. So that's my life right now, sauce and dreams. 00:02:01 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:02:01 Speaker 3: The Patreon is flourishing. Everybody is headed over there. Join us at patreon dot com. Slash I said, no gifts. We just had a producer, Ellis, on an episode and an explosive episode. Wouldn't you say, Ellis, we're never speaking again? Yeah, it was. There was a lot of fighting. Uh, it became physical, and the fact that we're still working together is a miracle. But go to I think I already said the u ur l we're having. Things are happening over there. Things are and you're gonna find out. You're gonna find out. So I think that's all of my business. Yeah, sure, I think we should get into the episode. I love today's guest. She's back. It's Lacey Mosley. Lacey, welcome back to I said, Okay, I know you've we were just talking about this. The last time you're on was six years ago. 00:02:52 Speaker 2: It's just and we were revert Ale and like mail you the gift or something. Oh yeah, you can go. 00:03:00 Speaker 3: And you know, the streets were like empty. It was just like it was hot. It was it was very deep COVID. It was like because I think it was. 00:03:09 Speaker 2: I think it just started getting popping at that point. 00:03:11 Speaker 4: Oh, because like three weeks in I was back to work, so it must have been in those first three weeks. 00:03:16 Speaker 3: But it was one of those times when you could still like get places on time because the people weren't driving as much. 00:03:21 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you could get to Malibu in twenty minutes. 00:03:23 Speaker 3: We did that all the time. My boyfriend and I would just drive around and go see things in Lau your share Like that's a like six hour trip. 00:03:30 Speaker 4: Right and it's literally five miles away. And like finally five miles felt like five. 00:03:35 Speaker 3: Miles right, like a real reality was heeling. 00:03:39 Speaker 2: You know. The coyotes took back over Griffith. 00:03:42 Speaker 3: I just saw coyote the other day in Griffith Park. 00:03:45 Speaker 2: I hid from a pack of them, a pack. Yeah. 00:03:47 Speaker 4: I was in Griffith during COVID and I was hiking or you know, doing the run or whatever. And I started listening to a playlist and it was just getting too good. And the next thing I know, I'm like soaking up the sunset and I was like, oh, I'm at the top of Griffith at the observatory and say, I need to get. 00:04:00 Speaker 3: Down before the vampires des. 00:04:03 Speaker 4: Getting dark on my descent, and then I see these like coyotes come out there, literally coyote or near coyote, dear. 00:04:08 Speaker 3: We don't know, scary in their own way. 00:04:11 Speaker 4: Come about the brush in his pack, and I was like, this will be the most embarrassing death, like death by coyote. 00:04:15 Speaker 5: So I just like hear big rocks, Oh my god. 00:04:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they passed and then I went. 00:04:22 Speaker 3: Down be ripped apart by coyotes. 00:04:24 Speaker 2: Painful and embarrassing. 00:04:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, everybod's gonna be in my funeral, like if it wasn't for those coyotes. 00:04:30 Speaker 2: Like what she smiled and lit up a room. 00:04:33 Speaker 3: I do think about that, like with an embarrassing death, like the vibe at a funeral, like what is it? I'm often like if I choked to death while I was eating a chicken finger or something, what is how are people going to be feeling. 00:04:46 Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, I feel like we have to lie then and say, yeah, I was saving orphans from a fire. Like, don't tell anybody out I really. 00:04:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really a terrifying thing for me. 00:04:57 Speaker 4: I uh. 00:04:58 Speaker 3: When I see a coyote alone, though, my heart just aches. I feel so sad for them. I just the one I saw yesterday I was in Griffith Park. It's just like, if that was like one degree something else, I probably would try to rescue it, try to bring it into my home. They look so hungry, and they look. 00:05:14 Speaker 2: So rescue from the coyote, which would be rescuing, they. 00:05:18 Speaker 3: Look so sad and pathetic. Has there ever been a coyote that looks healthy? Is the big question. They always look like they're scavenging. 00:05:26 Speaker 2: I mean that's what they do. 00:05:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't spend much time looking at them because after I looking at them and start looking at me, and we're looking at each other. 00:05:31 Speaker 2: Next thing, I know, you know, I'm a snack. 00:05:33 Speaker 3: No coyote you would scare away. That's the thing about coyotes. The only thing that should be scared of them is smaller things, larger animals. They run away from Really. Yeah, unless they're rabbit or something, but I don't think that happens that often. 00:05:47 Speaker 2: We didn't got back coyote. 00:05:50 Speaker 3: And they're mountain lions cougars around these hills. I just saw a video on some local news station of a mountain lion in somebody's backyard. That would be terrifying. Yeah, that's I mean, that's like a single shark or something. 00:06:02 Speaker 4: But I mean I also love that for mountain lions because they're like destroying capitalism. They're like, oh, you put up this cute little fist. Maybe no one owns anything. Okay, when you got a sland, will we buy again? 00:06:13 Speaker 3: Truly, those are bears. When you see a bear like swimming in someone's pool, yeah, good for you. 00:06:18 Speaker 2: Right, that's that the bears. Let's smoke and get his swim. 00:06:20 Speaker 3: One enjoy it. Okay, no one's going to stop you. 00:06:23 Speaker 2: He said, only you can protect forest fires. I'm taking a swim. 00:06:27 Speaker 3: How do you, I, uh, how do you feel about paying for sauce? Oh? 00:06:31 Speaker 2: I was thinking about that as you were saying. 00:06:33 Speaker 3: I need to know if I'm just losing it. 00:06:35 Speaker 4: I'm so tired of being in this abusive relationship with capitalism. Because we've gotten to a point where if we don't organize as consumers, which we do from time to time, but we need to organize on petty shit. 00:06:45 Speaker 2: Like sauce as well. 00:06:46 Speaker 4: Yes, because what's happened is like I remember when businesses like I'm in a Chropotla used to be like, come in a Halloween. 00:06:51 Speaker 2: Cost and we'll give you a free burrito. 00:06:53 Speaker 4: Now that like you want extra chicken, We got counted out, you raggedy bitch, and this bowl of b ninety dollars. 00:06:59 Speaker 2: Like what happened. We used to drive the market and now they're. 00:07:02 Speaker 4: Like people are willing to pay for anything because they're desperate, So we're gonna charge you for everything. What do you mean if sauce comes with the meal, how are you gonna charge with this for the sauce extra? 00:07:10 Speaker 3: If I'm getting something a chip again, a chicken finger, the first sauce at the very least, throw one in. Yeah, I should It shouldn't be like I shouldn't have to put a package together for myself. 00:07:22 Speaker 4: They're just trying to find another way to nickel and diamonds to fucking hell, and if we don't stop them, it's just gonna continue to get worse. 00:07:28 Speaker 2: I mean rip to Spirit Airlines. 00:07:31 Speaker 4: But it was great that Spirit Airlines made basically like a Layoway system because it was cheaper in the beginning. But then once you put there, they're gona go and dime you with every fee. Okay, unless you wear in every single article of clothing you need on your person, they will charge you for everything. 00:07:44 Speaker 1: Right. 00:07:44 Speaker 4: But then unfortunately, bigger airlines that were providing luxury at higher costs started to look over and be. 00:07:50 Speaker 2: Like, oh, well, people will accept that. They'll accept anything. 00:07:53 Speaker 4: That's why Delta said that flights under a certain mileage now aren't gonna get any snacks. You ain't get no business true snack, no domestic flights under a certain mileage. So like an lax to SFO, you're not getting no snacks. 00:08:05 Speaker 3: I'm sorry nothing eat. Yeah, yeah, I'm the amount of money I'm already spending. They're making money. We can see the money they're making. Give me a cracker. 00:08:15 Speaker 4: I mean, if we don't stop them, eventually they're gonna be like, oh, did you want the seatbelt package? 00:08:20 Speaker 3: That's actually one. I don't care to pay for a seatbelt. Take those out of the plane. I don't need those. 00:08:25 Speaker 4: Oh no, I've seen what happens if something gets real turbul you might flap pitchhead on the ceiling. 00:08:29 Speaker 2: I want my seatbelt. 00:08:30 Speaker 3: Oh hold on, hold on, no, they are alter Even Southwest Airlines is getting into the like pay for everything or it used to be like the one where I like, you've got some things for free. Now they're all we're gonna be like laying flat on top of each other. 00:08:44 Speaker 2: Pretty So that's what they're going for. 00:08:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, because Southwest used to be like you get in your line and then if you get there early, you can get in whatever seat you want. Now that you have to pay for an assigned seat, and certain assigned seats cost more, which I've never understood. We're all on the same plane, and now like I fly. 00:08:58 Speaker 2: Delta and I'm ready to delta. 00:09:00 Speaker 4: Because we went from having you know, economy, and then there was like economy plus with a little leg room as long as you help people get out on the slide, and then there was first. 00:09:10 Speaker 2: Now we got like economy minus. 00:09:13 Speaker 4: Like there really is is like a stars at like economy minus, then economy then economy plus, then. 00:09:18 Speaker 3: First right and maybe something in between. That is because now there's the like business or first class. That's all kind of muddy. Now, it's very unclear. How do you feel about first class? 00:09:30 Speaker 2: I love it and love it. 00:09:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't fly it if the flight is under three hours because it's a waste of money. It's just a wider seed and booze. I'm not going to drink. But if it's a cross country baby, I'm always on a red eye from LA to New York. I sleep on the plane, get there at JFKA at eight am and ready to start my day. That one I can't. I need a bed for that if it's over six hours, babes to bed. 00:09:52 Speaker 3: I think first class should be illegal. 00:09:54 Speaker 2: Really. 00:09:54 Speaker 3: I think unless everybody can have it, nobody should have it. 00:09:57 Speaker 2: I like it, and here's why. 00:10:00 Speaker 4: If people want to be a little boogier and fall asleep on the plane, like, I think they should have that right. 00:10:05 Speaker 2: And I like that better than private jets, you know what I mean. 00:10:08 Speaker 4: So that should be experiences you can get, and then the private jets should go except for me, because that's my reparation. You'll not gonna get me forty acres or amo, bitch. I should be able to put my carbon footprint out here. Okay, I deserve. 00:10:22 Speaker 3: That everyone's against private jets until they can have a private jet. 00:10:25 Speaker 4: What they need to sacrifice, y'a'll destroy the planet, Okay, my ancestors, I think around there. 00:10:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think private jets just that's enough, is enough, it's ridiculous. Yeah, and first class. If we got rid of private jets, I might be on board with first class still existing, But right now I'm just walking past everyone in first class, being angry at them and just wondering, and then going back to my essentially bus seat. 00:10:50 Speaker 2: Well, it used to not be such a bus. 00:10:52 Speaker 3: See. 00:10:52 Speaker 4: I remember as a kid, the seats that they have on like a short domestic flight were the size of the seats in regular economy of a person, and you got a meal in economy and it was the size of your body. Now that like, everybody get on ozipic otherwise I'm not gonna make these flights, Like what. 00:11:07 Speaker 2: Do you mean? 00:11:08 Speaker 3: I feel like the airline industry was every industry is now doing this, but was the first one that was like, no, we're going to get worse rather than get better. As an industry. Just year after a year, it's going to feel way worse. And now truly basically we're paying for sauce. We let airlines do it, and now we're paying for ranch on the side. 00:11:26 Speaker 4: Really should have revolted sooner. And also airlines know that they have us in a choke hold in certain situations because are you gonna fly to Berlin or are you gonna what You're gonna take a ferry? 00:11:37 Speaker 2: You're gonna take? 00:11:38 Speaker 4: Like you can't, you can't. They're like, we got you, bitch you going or not? 00:11:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no alternative. I mean, I guess maybe I start going by boat. 00:11:48 Speaker 4: I know the cruise lines should think about that instead of just trapping us on boats. 00:11:52 Speaker 2: Can I just take the boat to work? 00:11:54 Speaker 4: Yes, at party, get on at my vacation boat back. 00:11:58 Speaker 3: I will never get on a cruise line after what's been happening recently. You will not find me on a cruise. 00:12:05 Speaker 2: I've been on more cruises than I can count. 00:12:07 Speaker 3: Reason. 00:12:07 Speaker 4: My parents are cruise people. Oh and so my entire childhood we were. 00:12:11 Speaker 2: And it sounds so weird to complain about. One time I was shooting this movie with a little wile. 00:12:15 Speaker 4: I remember we were like doing something in between, and I looked at my phone and I was like oh, and he was like what And I was like, my parents just booked another family cruise. And he was like, you're upset that your family on a free boat vacation. 00:12:27 Speaker 2: And I was like, you don't understand. 00:12:30 Speaker 4: You haven't had to be trapped in the middle of the Atlantic with a bunch of Trump supporters eating Guy Fieri burgers until your ankle's fucking swell. 00:12:37 Speaker 2: You don't know what I'm going through. 00:12:40 Speaker 3: It's a bad vacation. 00:12:42 Speaker 4: I've had good ones. There's a certain way to do it to have a good one. And virgin cruises i've heard are very fun because there's no kids. Can't bring your kids, and you know, people like to have a boat boats of sexuals and uh, they have excursions. 00:12:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just it's not for me. And now the chance of getting haunted virus are being trapped on board with the virus, Like what appeal is there? 00:13:08 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:13:08 Speaker 4: It really just seems like the like the disease enthusiasts love about rides. 00:13:13 Speaker 3: You have messy people who don't wash their hands. 00:13:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just open mouthed coffers, people who don't wash their hands. 00:13:19 Speaker 2: People who don't believe in medical science. 00:13:22 Speaker 3: Yes, that's really kind of part of the big audience to me. 00:13:25 Speaker 4: I'm like, look, if you want to do your own research and you don't want to vaccinate, that is absolutely your right in your body. 00:13:31 Speaker 2: Are you a dumb ass? For sure? But let's take it further. 00:13:34 Speaker 4: If you don't believe in vaccines and you don't believe in the things that doctors have studied, maybe never go to the hospital because all of a sudden we all get sick. 00:13:41 Speaker 2: I don't never see none of you bitches an ambulance. Like what y'all put in there? What is in the drip? 00:13:45 Speaker 3: No, you just want to You'll take it. You'll take whatever you can do. 00:13:48 Speaker 2: Like how many scis of saline is in there? 00:13:50 Speaker 4: You need to google it all read No, at that point, you like, saved my life and then you. 00:13:54 Speaker 3: Believe you don't get to use it. No. I think permanent crews for that sort of person. I keep them on boot keep them on boats, keep them away from land. Let them just get each other sick for the rest of time. 00:14:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, what about an anti vaxed cruise. We'll throw on some walking canes from we all get polio, put it. 00:14:10 Speaker 3: In Iceberg territory and say goodbye. It's enough, Enough is enough? Yeah, that is kind of a large part of that audience is anti vax slash cruise. Interesting. I'm sure there are plenty of wonderful people cruis. 00:14:22 Speaker 2: Oh there are, and I've met so many of them. 00:14:25 Speaker 3: And I'm sure many tours. It's just not for me, and getting haunted virus unfortunately also not for me. No, so I won't be cruising anytimes. 00:14:35 Speaker 2: And I don't think they're upgrading those boats. I think the cruises are starting to sauce the girls too. 00:14:39 Speaker 4: I'm sure because people are on both talking about they can still smell when the sewage was leaking from COVID, I said, maybe those both need. 00:14:45 Speaker 2: To be decommissioned. They need to be saying God, they could smell the sewage in the hallways. 00:14:50 Speaker 4: It was still like a lingering of like you could tell they cleaned, but something was still. Because those people have been trapped on those boats were so long and poop them everywhere and stuff. You don't just get rid of that with one shampoo of. 00:15:00 Speaker 3: No, no, no. Anyone who's had a dog pee on a rug knows it's much harder to get rid of that smell than you would think yeah, God, no, no, no. 00:15:09 Speaker 2: No, I know, but I'm with you on the sauce thing. 00:15:11 Speaker 4: I think we all need to just start revolting in very petty ways against corporations that are doing things to Nickel and dimas right, because there's no such thing as infinite growth, and some of y'all need to be satisfied with the fact that we patronize your businesses consistently and you're open. 00:15:25 Speaker 3: When will they learn that infinite growth it doesn't exist. I just don't understand when that reality will set for some of these people. It's just like you realize there are only so many people on the planet. Yeah, what's the plan? 00:15:37 Speaker 4: And that's why I really hope that we can all hold strong. I know there's a ton of idiots out there who can't make art and for some reason think that they should be able to, and they use AI and waste water for stupid bullshit. But I'm so tired of that AI conversation. That's like it's happening. You either get with it or you get lost. You know, like how maybe that sounds like you're telling me it's happening. I don't think it is happening. I think you're forcing on me and I'm saying no, You're. 00:16:00 Speaker 2: Like, no, it's gonna happen to you. So just saying yes, no, you can't do it like that. 00:16:04 Speaker 4: If it was happening, it will be happening and y'all wouldn't be losing on his goddamn money. We know it's not happening, Babe. You can't make fetch happen. Nobody wants it. 00:16:12 Speaker 2: Or needs it. 00:16:13 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. I've run into something for the first time recently that I was very conflicted morally about a loved one sent me what I immediately knew was an AI video and it was kind of like it was like kind of heartwarming or whatever, and my initial instinct was to respond, that's AI. I didn't I don't know what to do in these situations because I'm like, I don't want to just be this kill joy that like somebody was a loved one is like, look at this, this is nice, and for me to be firing back, that's AI, you idiot. So I don't know what I do. You just ignore this. Have you had any situations and you say that's AI. 00:16:48 Speaker 2: With family members, with friends? 00:16:49 Speaker 4: I say, oh my god, you are killing black people in Memphis. Was it worth it to make that fake video so that youok up poison communities? You know how much water you just wait that don't ever make nothing like this again. It's cute though, thank you, Auntie, but stop doing this. You are killing black people. I literally just tell them directly. 00:17:08 Speaker 3: Wow, that's healthy, that's really healthy. 00:17:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't want to be like you're stupid or anything like that. 00:17:13 Speaker 4: I realize that we are in this polarized place where we are tapped into the news. 00:17:17 Speaker 3: We're very aware, absolutely. 00:17:20 Speaker 2: And you know our friends are tapped into it as well. 00:17:23 Speaker 4: So I also realize that people are living their lives and they're like, oh, we got a new app, Well we can make a video of your dad grandma doing this thinking nig everyone's. 00:17:30 Speaker 2: Gonna love this. And I'm like, I know that you don't realize the ripercussions. 00:17:34 Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna call you dumb, but I am gonna be like, hey, stop killing them black people. And if black people don't work, I'm like, hey, stop killing them Mormons in Utah, Oh my god, that's white. 00:17:43 Speaker 3: That's really hitting home for me. I'm from Utah watching all these people be mad about these data centers. I'm like, well, you voted for the people who said you that these could be. 00:17:51 Speaker 2: Built so for whiteness. 00:17:54 Speaker 4: Well then and they forgot what whiteness is always Yes, I'm like, paying attention to America. 00:17:59 Speaker 2: This is what whiteness been doing. 00:18:00 Speaker 3: Now you've got mister wonderful Ellen. Yeah. I mean, the Utah situation is truly insane to me, because I don't know if you're aware of this. If the Great Salt Lake dries up, it's going to just basically become a poisonous place. The air will be poisoned. Yet they're building this datus of I mean, don't get me sorry. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: I know we could go on forever. 00:18:19 Speaker 3: I think eco terrorism is gonna start ticking up here. I think people are gonna be bombing things. 00:18:24 Speaker 4: But here's a fun way to look at it, though, if we all all of us just decide that we're not going to be here for AI and we let this implode like the tulip bubble. 00:18:34 Speaker 2: That it is bringing back old school economics. 00:18:37 Speaker 4: If we let this bitch blow up. All these nasty billionaires who did this griff and got all this money for this, and celebrities included, why do you think you're seeing random celebrities that you love talking about Hey, ah is. 00:18:48 Speaker 2: The future and we must embrace it. No, baby, we must not. How much did you invest getting it back? You ain't getting it back. 00:18:56 Speaker 4: So I want to see all these would lose all of that money that they invest in this grist and damn, I wish I would have come up with it, because I love all of tech person selling something that people don't need. 00:19:10 Speaker 2: I love it. 00:19:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is going to implode in some way. We'll all kind of suffer and then hopefully, well we won't learn our lesson, but at least it'll go away in some way. 00:19:20 Speaker 4: And I want somebody to come out and do what Uber did, but in a grassroots way. So remember when Uber first was established, their prices were super duper low. 00:19:28 Speaker 2: You could get like a ride for like three dollars. 00:19:30 Speaker 4: So that was tech bros using investor money to subject the market and under the market and then ruin the cab industry. And once a cab drives start killing themselves and stuff and they ruined the industry, then they raise their prices because they had the monopoly. 00:19:43 Speaker 1: Right. 00:19:44 Speaker 4: Of course, I want to see somebody grassroots do that with car driving too. Let's just call it gas money. And if you got money for gas, you just get in homies car. And this is how we drive the Uber prices down. 00:19:56 Speaker 3: Uber prices are insane. Now. It's like buying a flight. If you're going to the airport, it's like, this is going to like at least twenty five percent of the cost of a. 00:20:05 Speaker 2: Flight, and don't check more than once. It raises the price for you. 00:20:08 Speaker 4: I didn't know this, Yes, because now they think you're desperate, so they'll raise the price. Also, if you live in a more affluent zip code, it raises the price for you. 00:20:17 Speaker 3: Is there any way around that if you're living an affluent zip code? 00:20:21 Speaker 2: Sorry, some people have like suggested getting off of your. 00:20:23 Speaker 3: Wi Fi or using a VPN or something. 00:20:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're using a VPN, like because all of the data and it's already consumed so much of our cookies and information. But all of that contributes to the profile that you have and how much money they think you have. Also, when you're flying to the airport, depending on what airline you're flying out of, it raises the price of your Uber as well. So they're like, oh, you go a delta International. Oh okay, don't raise that. 00:20:47 Speaker 2: Up real good. They're like, oh you're going a spirit okay, well a little bit less. 00:20:51 Speaker 3: Like diabolical so evil. I'm going to Burbank. I will do everything possible to get the cheapest uber or lyft. I'm going back and forth until they've given me the cheapest possible if I If they don't, maybe I just won't go on the trip. 00:21:05 Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna stop putting in the airline when I and see if there's a dig interesting lax right, and then once we're already in the ride and the price is confirmed, because I do it to where I pay for it before it comes. 00:21:19 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I'm always worried that that's not going to cat change the right. 00:21:24 Speaker 2: They can try to add a waiting fee, but typically never. 00:21:27 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to start just using it to take me to like maybe four miles away, and I'll just walk the distance. It's money saving technique. 00:21:35 Speaker 2: Right. 00:21:35 Speaker 4: Maybe we'll start geting picked up in a different area code. I'm gonna walk to another zip code because I can see the hood from my house. 00:21:41 Speaker 2: I might be a large mob, but I can see right. 00:21:44 Speaker 3: You've taken uber to a bus stop. Well, I mean speaking of inappropriate behavior and just crossing the line, Lacy. I was excited to have you here on the podcast here, so it's unfortunate the podcast is called I said no gifts, and you've been on the show before you brought a gift. I thought you had learned your lesson, but today you showed up holding what appears to be some sort of gift. 00:22:09 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm so sorry. I'm very hard headed. I did not listen, and I did bring a gift. 00:22:14 Speaker 3: Stubbornness. 00:22:14 Speaker 2: Okay, it's not from the place. This back is with the bag. I'm trying to save the planet. 00:22:19 Speaker 3: Gorgeous bag though, let's be honest. A nice little black and white stripe bag pulling it out here. Wait, I've never seen this object before. It's a Tiny TV Mini with new and improved features from Tiny Circus. What is this a miniature television? 00:22:37 Speaker 2: Yes it is. What look at the features. 00:22:40 Speaker 3: The tiny TV Mini is the cutest way. I'm gonna just get paid for this now. The Tiny TV Mini is the cutest way to watch your favorite videos and movies. Features beautifully bright oh lead display and oh lead displays. A nice display. That's what you want these days. Power channel and channel buttons on the top of the case, built in speaker, and then there's a sticker over a lot of it. But you can store over forty hours of something built in rechargeable and it has a tiny remote. Yeah tiny TV? What why did you bring this? This is incredible. The remote is bigger than the TV. 00:23:11 Speaker 4: Remote is bigger than the TV. And I was like, I guess it has to have a good like vision on the TV because. 00:23:16 Speaker 2: It's so small. 00:23:18 Speaker 3: I mean it's like the size of a stamp. 00:23:19 Speaker 2: I'm like, how are you going to see anything on there? 00:23:22 Speaker 6: Yeah? 00:23:23 Speaker 2: So this is one of those things that I've had in my home. I've never used it. It's just been banged around in my car. But it is brand new. 00:23:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's mint condition. 00:23:31 Speaker 2: So I got it. 00:23:34 Speaker 4: I was doing a photo shoot and I tend to like I had a holist, but I wanted to do something like interesting with like I don't know, like all of the It was to promote my book, but like you know, I have a television show, scam Got Is the book and the podcast. I was like thinking like, oh, like maybe I have like a little picture where it's like a tiny TV and a tiny book I don't know. 00:23:52 Speaker 2: And like, when I got to the shoot, my publicist was like, h we don't love this idea. 00:23:56 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, yeah, sometimes when I'm going to do photo she's like getting the mindset of a drag queen. 00:24:02 Speaker 3: I think that's a great mindset for a photo shoot. Everyone should be in a drag mindset when they get a picture take. 00:24:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, but sometimes you need a photo that the publication can you use. It's not so specific. And so I was like, oh, okay, guys, so wow, had I rediscovered it the other day? 00:24:17 Speaker 3: But you never use it, You've never turned it on or anything. I wish we could charge it right now, a little USB corse. It's absolutely adorable. This is like a TV for a mouse or a cricket, some sort of bug. 00:24:29 Speaker 5: If you have a lizard lizard television. 00:24:36 Speaker 3: Wow, this is really fascinating. Where did you get it from that I do? 00:24:41 Speaker 2: I want to say, maybe like one of those fabric stores. 00:24:45 Speaker 3: Oh, like a Joeanne Michael. 00:24:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, whichever one was is the non anti abortion. 00:24:51 Speaker 3: Okay, that's hobby lobby is the one that is pro everything horrible? 00:24:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was probably I think it might have been. 00:24:58 Speaker 3: Okay, and she's gone now rest in peace. Yeah, she's gone. Last year. Last year we buried her and it was she was very sick. Towards the end. I went in the store and it was absolute chaos. But maybe she'll rise again. I don't know, but we just kind of have Michael's now, which is unfortunate. 00:25:22 Speaker 1: Damn. 00:25:22 Speaker 2: I hate to see a woman go before men. 00:25:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really a shame. I used to love Joeanne. I would go there for my clothing dye. 00:25:32 Speaker 2: I get fabrics and I was over to something creative. 00:25:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, everything and killed. I just watch an Elizabeth Warren video and she says private equity, which makes perfect sense. Private equity pulls up, takes over, and then just destroys everything and make sure it's bad so it will fall apart. And so I didn't realize that Joanne had gotten snatched up. I wonder if there was an original Joeanne Drift. There's some Joanne out there in the world, and those were her fabrics. Those were her fabrics blew up. This was her legacy. 00:26:06 Speaker 4: That's why I hope, because you know, sometimes it's not like when I found out and Jemima was never real, and people just want to feel like a black lady was making their pancakes because they couldn't afford want to do that anymore. 00:26:15 Speaker 2: Where I found out Uncle Ben wasn't really making that rice. 00:26:19 Speaker 3: It's like finding out about Santa Claus. Right, Who's there's another one, Betty Crocker. 00:26:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, Betty, Betty wasn't doing none of that. 00:26:27 Speaker 3: What were they doing? What were they doing in the fifties where they're just creating these phony. 00:26:31 Speaker 4: Well, it was that transition from a lot of people not being able to one like exploit black labor sure or housekeepers in general. 00:26:38 Speaker 2: And so they thought, how we make like housewives feel. 00:26:41 Speaker 3: Good and not lonely. 00:26:42 Speaker 2: We'll put a little person on the package and act like they're cooking for you. 00:26:45 Speaker 4: And they were on so many koelus. I'm sure they was talking to the box. I'm sure we're great. 00:26:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, I don't think we're really. I mean that kind of felt like an early AI early Uh what's her name? What's the AI actor? Tillie Norwood? Oh, yes, I just read about her. I just there was an interview. All this makes me feel so nervous. But in the New York Times somebody interviewed her, but the whole thing was about AI. It wasn't just like a straight interview. But it's like, let's just leave it alone. Let's just not do this at all. What does anyone getting out of this other than being afraid? 00:27:23 Speaker 2: Right, No one asked for this. No, we're already miserable as it is. What do you mean come in and take our happiness away? 00:27:29 Speaker 5: Like, hey, I do my dishes, Okay, Yeah. 00:27:31 Speaker 3: There are certain things where I'm like, if it didn't, if it weren't for the environmental impact, I would be happy for it to do certain things. But most of the tasks I would have it do are things that are fairly easy to accomplish or mindless, and like, maybe I'll just keep doing them. 00:27:44 Speaker 4: Rather things that are a source of joy for us as human beings, like our creative outlets and things art. 00:27:50 Speaker 3: That's a tough one. 00:27:51 Speaker 2: I wish a wedding day. Let hey I beat a bride? What do you mean, like I would like to do that? 00:27:57 Speaker 3: Do you know what? I think we really handed over too much power when you do you remember the trend everybody was getting like you would like upload a bunch of your pictures and then a I would create all these different styles of art. That was an unfortunate two days in history that I think we said, everybody just take the case. I want to see a horrible piece of art of myself. 00:28:19 Speaker 2: I mean. 00:28:19 Speaker 4: And honestly, the collective narcissism that we have is really killing our country. 00:28:23 Speaker 2: Like this rugged individualism is murdering us. 00:28:26 Speaker 4: We must to be community. And now everybody wants to go to therapy. And some people go to therapy actually to heal. Some people go there to like learn therapyze language, you know, therapy language, and then manipulated. 00:28:39 Speaker 3: To justify their behavior. 00:28:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, I used to justify their behavior and inappropriately, and we've seen so much of that. When it comes to community, people wanna be like, well, these are my boundaries. 00:28:49 Speaker 2: Is I don't show up. 00:28:50 Speaker 4: For anyone, I don't help anyone, don't call me, don't ask me for shit, because these are there's so much fames. 00:28:55 Speaker 2: That's not how community works. Sometimes community is inconvenient. 00:29:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a part of that. Considering things outside of your sex. 00:29:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes there's gonna be a baby on a plane because they got a flat I little unemployed baby somewhere. We all hate it, but we have to deal with it because it's commune. 00:29:14 Speaker 3: In a moment. Honestly, the parent hates. 00:29:16 Speaker 4: It embarrassed, like a parent of water. I don't know, maybe the baby need to dip a pacified, a little bourbon. I don't know what we needed to get through this flight, but like we all should be helping that, right. They're not making a baby cry, They're not pitching a baby like you know, although I will say if I am on a flight with a good baby, I will turn around at the end of the flight and be like, oh my god, you got a great baby. 00:29:40 Speaker 3: You get that baby's got a future baby. 00:29:42 Speaker 2: They're like, thank you so much like that baby's great. 00:29:45 Speaker 3: We've got to support the good babies. We've got to encourage good babies. Maybe other babies will catch on. Yeah, you know, I've always wondered about babies in TV shows and movies when they're crying, what's happening? How are you getting them to cry? 00:29:56 Speaker 4: It's the same audio, And if you the same audio carefully, you will notice that. And I'm like waiting for somebody to record a new baby crying. But it's always if you. 00:30:05 Speaker 2: Listen to several babies crying, they usually are using the same light baby. It must be free. 00:30:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can just like download it from like sound effects dot com or something. M hmmm, yeah, but what about if you because occasionally you see the baby crying, they pinching it. I heard they're pinching them. I want to be done pinching. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: If they can't look at you cry, pinch. 00:30:26 Speaker 3: The baby, that's evil, that's evil. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: I can't say. But the babies I've worked with there was no pinching, no pinching, no pinching. 00:30:34 Speaker 3: They were quiet, just spraying with a spray bottle or something. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: I was shocked, though. 00:30:38 Speaker 4: The baby TV pipeline is scary to me because, uh, I had to work with a baby, and typically you'll have babies that are twins depending on how long the shoot is, because you can't have a baby child labor laws. And I remember working with a baby that was so fresh on single parents, like still had a placenter perm. 00:30:56 Speaker 2: I'm like, who did we just took this out this lady coaching and wrapped it up. 00:30:59 Speaker 4: And I was like, as a parent, like why would you give your fresh fresh Like when I say hot off the press's baby to a stranger. You didn't have my whooping cough vaccine, right, that's not something I was required to have, you know what I mean? 00:31:12 Speaker 2: Like, you just give me this baby? 00:31:14 Speaker 1: Got? 00:31:15 Speaker 3: Is the casting director hanging out in the NICU unit or like what's going on? Like, well, how are you finding these parents that are like willing to bring the child like that early? 00:31:23 Speaker 2: I don't want to unpasteurized baby. 00:31:27 Speaker 3: Wow, that's wild. No, I'm very curious about the crying babies and the pinching, but I guess it's this is something I've talked about with AI on this podcast before and it's not my idea, and I unfortunately can't credit the person. But they said the only thing that AI should be used for is child acting. 00:31:43 Speaker 2: Oh I think that would be if it was a detrimental environment. 00:31:47 Speaker 4: Yes, again, child acting only thing we needed for because children should. 00:31:51 Speaker 3: Not be employed. 00:31:53 Speaker 2: I wanted to be a child actor. 00:31:55 Speaker 4: A should let me take as many acting classes as I want all throughout schools on migrades were good, but I was not allowed to be in that. 00:32:02 Speaker 2: I I've worked with child actors and in my entire career. 00:32:05 Speaker 4: Thus far, I've only met the parents of one child actor that I thought, well, no, two child actors that I thought were sane people, right. 00:32:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've met some real wild ones, some real stage parents, and if you've worked as an actor before, it's like it's such a demanding job emotionally and physically. It's like a child is. 00:32:24 Speaker 2: Doing not educating these kids. 00:32:27 Speaker 3: School. 00:32:28 Speaker 4: I haven't seen a school on sit teaching them, but their maybe favorite color is four. 00:32:33 Speaker 2: They don't know nothing. 00:32:35 Speaker 3: No, they're probably doing the word search or you know, they're throwing them a highlights magget. 00:32:38 Speaker 4: Not real school, and they're also not being socialized in a way that is necessary for the rest of your life. 00:32:44 Speaker 3: School is important, yes, yeah, so that maybe that's one thing, but I don't know. Yeah, speaking of television, what's your favorite television show? I never get into this sort of conversation on the podcast. I just like to hear about people's favorite things and maybe not even your most favorite, but what's the show you love? 00:33:03 Speaker 4: Okay, so shows that I rewatch over and over again thirty Rock just because it's an AK forty seven of jokes. 00:33:11 Speaker 2: You can just watch it over and over and catch something different. 00:33:14 Speaker 4: Also, I love a joke that once you read a book or get some context as an adult, you realize what the joke was totally like I hate that there's such. 00:33:26 Speaker 2: Little media literacy these days that these poor kids like if. 00:33:29 Speaker 4: It's not spelled out for them, and even if it is, they act like they came to some grand conclusion where I'm used to seeing, like parodies of the Odyssey or thieves that are like liken to other you know, things that I've learned, Right. 00:33:40 Speaker 2: I love jokes like that because I feel like the payoff is having knowledge. 00:33:44 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't need all of my jokes to be like super High, but having some sort of layers to things. Yeah, and thirty Rock does all of that. I do. All of them do the dumbest jokes, they do the smartest You're gonna. 00:33:53 Speaker 4: Get Tracy Morgan Yellen, Like I saw too babies giving each other a tattoo. 00:33:56 Speaker 2: They were very drunk, like you're gonna get jokes like. 00:33:59 Speaker 4: That, jokes that like you really have to have some information to understand. Love Modern Family as well? Can rewatch that? 00:34:07 Speaker 3: Sure? 00:34:08 Speaker 2: What are my other rewatches that I just like can put on and enjoy? 00:34:12 Speaker 1: Uh? 00:34:13 Speaker 2: Sometimes I go back to Girls fivee Eva, Oh so good. 00:34:16 Speaker 3: That's a friend of the show I worked on. Kimmy Schmidt uh and Meredith Scardino creator of Girls five Eva, she's one of the all times. Yes, extremely Yeah, those are all kind of in the thirty rock vein just so funny. So every one of them has just a million jokes. There's nothing like that. Yeah, there's, like I mean, I guess there's The Rise and Fall of Reggie Dinkins, which I am watching, But otherwise there aren't really shows with a ton of jokes anymore, I know. 00:34:41 Speaker 2: And those are the shows I love to be on. 00:34:43 Speaker 4: And the rewatchability is crazy, and that's what's so frustrating to me about how disrespected comedy is and continues to be in this industry. Like Wilfarell should have want to Oscar for Taladay at nights of course, hands down, period. 00:34:55 Speaker 3: It's harder to be funny. 00:34:56 Speaker 4: It's harder to be funny. It's something you have to be born with and something you have to hone. And also, on top of that, the rewatchability of a comedy over a drama is absolutely fucking insane. How many times you're gonna be like, hey, y'all, I just got some wine and some blench, I'll pull up. 00:35:09 Speaker 2: We about to watch twelve years of Slate. No, you watch it once. You appreciate it. 00:35:13 Speaker 3: You had the experience. 00:35:15 Speaker 2: Anybody like, hey, y'all turn on that fruit veil begetting it. 00:35:18 Speaker 3: You had the experience and like, no, yeah, that's very true. 00:35:24 Speaker 2: Beautiful pieces. 00:35:25 Speaker 4: They're important, but they're not something you want to re traumatize it after you've seen it. 00:35:30 Speaker 1: Right. 00:35:31 Speaker 3: That's true of a lot of dramas. Right, if something's got some funniness to it, you're going to at least see it twice. Yeah, a lot of dramas. I'm like, yep, I had it, I've seen it, I thinked it. I don't need to go back. I don't need to go back there. 00:35:46 Speaker 4: The only like drama is TV shows that I'm going back to are anything that Nicole Kimmen. 00:35:50 Speaker 2: Is in with a bad wig. 00:35:51 Speaker 3: Oh, well, the wigs. Those wigs are watchable. 00:35:54 Speaker 4: If I see Nikki came in in a lasty bad wig. Oh, I'm watching because I know it's gonna be. 00:36:01 Speaker 2: Well, this is perfect Strangers, The Undoing she's in, Uh, Marlow's. 00:36:08 Speaker 3: Got money money, Uh yeah, something like that. And then what's the big one with Reese Witherspoon Big Little Lies. Now. This is something though that I've admitted to on this podcast before. I'm wig blind. I can't. I can rarely tell if someone's wearing a wig. Wow, So Nicole had me fooled for a really long time. I know she had no part. It's something I deal with. 00:36:34 Speaker 2: There was no day, there was no scalp emanated nowhere. 00:36:38 Speaker 3: I mean the fact that I've gotten as far as I have in life having this a wig blindness is pretty miraculous. But I truly, unless the wig is so egregious, I'm like, oh, that's just their hair. But now I know. I mean, I can, at least with Nicole, I know that it's always a wig, so I can I can at least lie that I know it's away. 00:36:58 Speaker 4: I think she needs that, and she needs to have her American accent even when it's not necessary, because something undoing like that shrip on the Barbie accent was popping out. 00:37:05 Speaker 2: All the time, and I was like, Babe, you Grant is in this being British. You could definitely just be Australia. 00:37:12 Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, the American accent's very interesting to me. With her, It's like because she never seems American, but then she's it's like, so where did this woman come from? 00:37:21 Speaker 4: I think she's the strict why and then she did have schools st up in DC for a little while. I'll be in her lord and obviously Australia, like she's been all over so she has a worldly accent. 00:37:32 Speaker 2: It's just everything. 00:37:33 Speaker 3: And do we know what she looks like without a wig? 00:37:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, she does carbons and stuff without her wings. 00:37:39 Speaker 3: She does. 00:37:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if her wigs might be a character choice for her, Like you know how maryl will throw some teeth inf and over. 00:37:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, te anytime you're putting in teeth, they're like, okay, well you've ruined through all. 00:37:51 Speaker 4: It's Meryl though, I was looking like, baby, why I got them teeth? But I also like Meryl. 00:37:56 Speaker 3: Sure, we love the teeth. They're iconic teeth. 00:37:59 Speaker 2: She could do whatever she was and I'm here for it. 00:38:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to look up no wig Nicole Kidman. Maybe in the nineties she was doing more non wig work. 00:38:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, the nineties, I feel like she was a little less wiggy, right. 00:38:09 Speaker 3: I wonder how much her wigs are costing. I bet those are expensive. 00:38:13 Speaker 2: I hope they're not that expensive. 00:38:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, because then, yeah, I was thinking everyone thinks that they look terrible but again for me, I think they look like hair. What's wrong with me? I need like a training. They're not the worst wigs, Okay. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: It's just they give us a little wikiness. 00:38:28 Speaker 3: Who do you think has the worst wig in the business, the worst wig in the big men with terrible wigs? Ooh, John Travolta's got. 00:38:38 Speaker 4: A wig, right, yeah, I mean it's probably forty seven. But let me think wigs that I'm like, better, please, baby, please? 00:38:48 Speaker 5: Wow? 00:38:49 Speaker 2: Why would you do this? Like if they look flammable? Right and whatnot? I mean, honestly, for a little while there, Kylie Jenner was wearing really really bad wis oh interesting. And I've seen her in person. Had to wait her once when I was with this is back in the day, and she was nice. This is no shade to her. I think she's improved. The wigs so good. 00:39:05 Speaker 4: But back then it was a kind of wig that when you saw it in person, you wondered if the person had like mental health issues. 00:39:10 Speaker 3: Interesting, yeah, I wonder somebody with that level of money. I'm always like, why are you not hiring just somebody who knows how to buy wigs? 00:39:17 Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, access to good wigs is just now being democratized. And it's not a situation where everyone knows a good wig maker, right right, Like the technology is just reaching everybody. 00:39:30 Speaker 3: But this is Kylie Jenner we're talking about. 00:39:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's like to find a real good wig maker. 00:39:34 Speaker 3: She's headed to party City. She's going to this Halloween spirit that's probably come. 00:39:38 Speaker 4: Off the right public quality hair. But it's like all about the lace, the part of dyeing, how it's laid. 00:39:43 Speaker 2: To the scalp. All of these things matter. 00:39:45 Speaker 3: Fascinating Kylie. So is she always in a wig? Do you think? 00:39:49 Speaker 4: I don't think, but I think a lot of people utilize wigs. I utilize wigs, especially as a grown woman now, who doing my. 00:39:55 Speaker 2: Hair is trash? 00:39:56 Speaker 3: Okay? 00:39:56 Speaker 2: If I put one on in some spirit gum and it's not a little bit and leave my house, like. 00:40:03 Speaker 3: Right right, I just need to Maybe Actually I kind of like living in this ignorance of just not knowing what it. I like that for us. I like it for no. 00:40:12 Speaker 4: If I need to ye if I need to wear a wig and I don't got a lot of time, if I need to throw it on Tyler Perry's pout, just grab it, you know, I know that you're not gonna judge me. 00:40:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, hang out with me, any wig, any wig. I will buy it unless it's like even I think even if it was like blue, I think I would be like, well, they've dyed their hair, yeah, which people do. Yeah, if people do it, people are doing it more and more, dyeing their hair. 00:40:32 Speaker 2: Yeah. It used to be so taboo, and I love it. 00:40:34 Speaker 4: It's a thing now where it's like you can't discover it at someone having a blue hair in the office place, Like, does that them doing their jobs? 00:40:41 Speaker 3: That actually is kind of a new thing that like you can work with a different type of hair style. 00:40:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, because all of those tools of conformity were just under capitalism and adjacent to like if you're doing your job, like the whole uptight office cubicle, we all have to dress like this, your hair has to look a certain way. 00:40:59 Speaker 2: Was all just and unnecessary. 00:41:01 Speaker 3: Anytime I see somebody in a suit going to work, I'm like, what horrible job do you have to deal with? 00:41:07 Speaker 4: Me? 00:41:07 Speaker 3: You have to get up every day and put on church clothes? Nightmare, my ultimate nightmare. 00:41:12 Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like a suit could be a very nice, powerful tactic through. I do feel different when I'm in a suit. 00:41:18 Speaker 5: But to be required, Yeah, that's what boring job do you have to do Friday? 00:41:25 Speaker 3: Casual Friday, and then you look like a dork That should be called dork Fridays. I feel like any casual Friday, anybody shows up, they look like a nerd. Just don't do it. Yeah, because most of the people are they don't have the wardrobe at that point for casual Friday. They've got a bunch of nice suits. True, just I don't know wardrobe for work. I think you should just be able to wear whatever you want, whenever you want. 00:41:48 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:41:49 Speaker 4: Sometimes though, I feel like a suit can be constrictive in a way that makes people more inclined to do their jobs better. 00:41:56 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 00:41:57 Speaker 3: Don't no one let Lacy be a boss anyone. This is a cruel manager. 00:42:04 Speaker 2: It's all about a little tie running and they're choking you a little bit. 00:42:08 Speaker 4: That reminds you that you're in a capitalist hillscape. If you want to breathe, you better keep working hard. 00:42:14 Speaker 3: Timothy, you should be working for Meta or something. 00:42:17 Speaker 2: Oh, they don't wear that. They were like hip guy three thousand dollars white teas. 00:42:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, because meanwhile they like doing those like keystroke things where they know that you're like locked to your computer all day. 00:42:26 Speaker 2: That to me is the worst thing ever whoever came up with that. 00:42:30 Speaker 4: You have to move your mouth otherwise they think you're not working if you're working from home. And people who hate work from home just are monitoring spirits and need to get friends. Because if the only time you are conversing with people and interacting with people is at your job, I can almost guarantee that everyone at your job hates you. 00:42:47 Speaker 2: If you're someone who is an advocate for not working for home. 00:42:50 Speaker 4: I when you look in the mirror and say everyone at your job hates you, because I promise you they do. No one wants to be accosted at the water cooler by you. No one wants to smell youre talapia in the microwave. 00:43:01 Speaker 3: Find a friend, Find a friend, see if you can and a hobby anything. 00:43:07 Speaker 2: Because your co workers are not your hobby is. 00:43:10 Speaker 3: They're not your paid friend? No, no, no, no no. Well, I have my little TV here. I'm excited to see how it actually works. 00:43:18 Speaker 2: Yes you have. 00:43:20 Speaker 3: I'm gonna absolutely just be glued to this television set too. I don't know what it sounds like. Yeah, that's right. 00:43:27 Speaker 5: I didn't even think about the streak you have like a box court. 00:43:30 Speaker 3: Or I'm not even seeing like a speaker. 00:43:33 Speaker 2: You play it out loud. 00:43:34 Speaker 3: Oh interesting. Eventually you have so many hooked things hooked into it. That's size of a TV. This is about the size of an Apple TV remote literally, so choke on that or something. Well, I think we should play a game. Yes, we're going to play a new game. You're the first person playing this game on the podcast Ellis, and I played it on the Patreon recently. But I'm excited to try it and we'll see what happens. I need a number between one and ten from you first. 00:44:05 Speaker 2: Seven? 00:44:06 Speaker 3: Okay, I actually don't need the number right. What the game is? Nun No? Yeah, I'm so used to our other games require like a random thing. But I want to give you some time to promote. So promote something. 00:44:20 Speaker 2: Oh okay. You can watch Scam Goddess, the television show on Hulu. 00:44:23 Speaker 4: You can buy my books Scam Goddess whatever you purchase books, and you can also get the audiobook if you would like to hear me read to you about my scam schemes, capers, jokes, crime, maybe. 00:44:32 Speaker 2: How to do crime or how to avoid it. I don't know legally speaking. 00:44:36 Speaker 4: And you can listen to my podcast Scam Goddess anywhere that you get your podcasts beautifully promoted. 00:44:41 Speaker 3: I've been on the podcast, yes twice. Yes, we did a fun Christmas episode. We did. It's been a while, Yeah we should. I love I love scams, and you're just it's so nice to show up and you just have a buffet of scams to talk about. Yes, I don't have to do any research. I just get to learn about. 00:44:58 Speaker 2: Scams and get all your input, which we love. 00:45:01 Speaker 3: Yes, what do I like? What do I need to do? You know what I want to promote? And this is not a paid advertisement to be I'm loving tob I get into tub. I'm telling people, the documentary selection on Tube is incredible. I'm so tired of every other streaming service. All the documentaries are essentially just true crime. You get on tub all kinds of fun things. Yeah, it's chaotic. I think that's what I like about it. You get on there and you're like, I would have never picked any of these things, but they've got interesting choices. Not a paid advertisement toub to be. 00:45:32 Speaker 2: They're also hilarious. You can watch the worst movies. 00:45:35 Speaker 4: You've ever seen, and there's something about to be that. When something goes viral, Tub is the first to make a movie about it. But remember, like I don't know who I married the Resa Tisa story. They were like, it was like, who the fuck did I marry? Like Tube came out with like I'm married who? Like something like like they're making the Sian version of television over there and it's so funny to me. And some of their stunts is special effects are just. 00:46:01 Speaker 3: I got to get into these two be originals. Oh, I'm very excited about that. Well, we're going to play a game. It's called invite List, and this is what's going to happen. You're going to make an invite list for a party. You only get to have ten people come. Okay, so I'm going to start reading a list of names. You're going to tell me if the person is invited or not invited until we've got ten people coming to the party. Does that make sense? Yes, okay, and Ellis is going to keep charge of how many people because I can't do everything, all right, So that's perfectly clear. Invited or not invited. Invited or not invite, Tim Gunn. 00:46:36 Speaker 2: I don't know how long the list is. 00:46:38 Speaker 3: You gotta be careful. That's the game. Not invited, Friend Libowitz. 00:46:45 Speaker 5: Not invited, Mister Beast not invited. 00:46:49 Speaker 4: These are for different reasons, though, I'm going for a demo. Friend's great lover thinks he's amazing. Tim, fabulous, beautiful gowns. 00:46:56 Speaker 3: This is your party. 00:46:57 Speaker 2: No, you can only have locked me as something. 00:47:00 Speaker 3: You can and you can reason one way or the other. I'm happy to hear any reasoning. 00:47:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, mister's always trying to put somebody on somebody. 00:47:05 Speaker 3: Gauge, and it's a very private party, very so you have to be selected here. Robin Thick. 00:47:17 Speaker 2: Uh, Yes, because I feel like he would do something like Ember's. 00:47:21 Speaker 3: That's a great reason you have to have one of those party. Somebody gets about a common enemy almost Malia Obama, of course. Martha Stewart. 00:47:32 Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, look she did jail time. She han't got a swoopsong. I want to know some of the tips and tricks in the kitchen. 00:47:39 Speaker 3: Yes, I bet she would be an incredible time at a party. Yeah, or she's probably gonna criticize whatever you put together. But whatever. 00:47:46 Speaker 2: Stanley Tucci Absolutely, I love Stanley Tucci. 00:47:49 Speaker 4: Alex Jones hell no, unless it's like a trap and we're gonna put it like you know, we're gonna take. 00:47:55 Speaker 2: Him across the border. 00:47:59 Speaker 3: Sarah Miller, Oh. 00:48:04 Speaker 2: No, but I like her. 00:48:06 Speaker 3: Glenn Powell, No, but I like him. Serena Williams, Yes, Eddie Vedder. 00:48:13 Speaker 2: No, I don't know that's why. 00:48:15 Speaker 3: Beyonce of course, please, that's kind of obough one. Yeah, Andrews and Cooper, Yes, I love Andy. This next one's gonna be kind of complicated considering another person. You've already invited Solange? 00:48:28 Speaker 2: How is that complicated? Absolutely? 00:48:30 Speaker 3: But what you kind of have to if you've already invited Beyonce. 00:48:33 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, no, And I want Solange is aesthetic. You know she's gonna come. 00:48:37 Speaker 3: To re decorate my whole Luisgi Mangione absolutely, Charlie. 00:48:42 Speaker 4: XCX, Yes, because Robin think me somebody to play with it? 00:48:47 Speaker 2: All right, and we've hit ten. 00:48:48 Speaker 3: That's ten, Alice, Can you read down the list of other people coming to this party? All right? 00:48:52 Speaker 6: So Lacy's guests include Robin Thick, Malia Obama, Martha Stewart, Stanley Tucci, Serena Williams, Beyonce Anderson Cooper Solange, Luigi Mangioni, and Charlie XCX. 00:49:09 Speaker 3: That seems like a decent party. 00:49:10 Speaker 2: There's people for. 00:49:11 Speaker 4: Each other, talk to a common interest to get the age graps there. 00:49:15 Speaker 2: You know you need drugs there, Well they'll be there, you know if you need anything there. 00:49:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's going to be a very good party. Yeah, you were very that was I felt like you were selective and you were considerate. Yeah, not a bad list. Well, you played that game very well. Ellis, do you have a gift or a curse? We have to say if it's a gift or a curse and why, and then Ellis tells us if we're right or wrong. 00:49:37 Speaker 6: Okay, all right, My gift to a curse is game nights. 00:49:42 Speaker 3: Do you want to go or should I go? 00:49:43 Speaker 2: Hmm? 00:49:44 Speaker 3: No? Go? 00:49:45 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to say that game nights are a gift. Okay, and here's why, because a game night gets everyone together. We're doing an activity I'm extremely competitive that is going to bring. 00:50:00 Speaker 2: Out It's gonna bring out the worst in me. You know, if you're like doing a couple's game night. 00:50:06 Speaker 4: I think it's even better because you get to really see the cracks in the relationship, you know. 00:50:10 Speaker 6: What I mean. 00:50:11 Speaker 4: Like game nights a divorce pipeline, and what better way to get it out than realizing that you don't have a partner that you can do charades with. I think game nights and that's entertainment for me. So I'm gonna even more entertainment by watching your relationship disintegrate. 00:50:25 Speaker 2: Or come together stronger than ever. Who knows. So I love a game night. I think they're super fun. 00:50:30 Speaker 3: All right. I think game night's a gift. I absolutely, because you really it's like a really nice way to figure out exactly who everyone is. You can find out if somebody's a total bore, if somebody is an adult who will cheat or get you know, have a fit over losing, an adult who gets really intense. It's like you're able to kind of parse out who's a real friend and who's somebody that you can keep at arms Like. 00:50:53 Speaker 2: And you get to it, why are you hating? Because I'm winning, Yes, fun hater in a game night. 00:50:58 Speaker 4: But if I see somebody sulking or getting real upset, and I'm like, oh, we got you might be a murderer. 00:51:02 Speaker 2: We gotta get you out the friend. 00:51:03 Speaker 3: Group, and you might get to ruin their nights, which is such a lovely feeling. True, you get to really commit to ruining somebody's evening. I think it's a gift, yes, gift. 00:51:12 Speaker 2: No, it's a curse. 00:51:15 Speaker 3: Invite. I don't know. 00:51:16 Speaker 6: First of all, you gotta tell me what games we're playing, like just general game night. We could be playing Settlers of Catan for five hours and I don't want to go to that. 00:51:24 Speaker 2: Well you get invited to not the right one. 00:51:28 Speaker 4: Oh no, baby, My game night's like listen, there's different games for different people. I'm whooping ass on the spades table. They call me doctor what ass? And me and my space partner we got a relationship. If we start sucking up, we start fighting. 00:51:39 Speaker 2: But it's fine, you know what I mean. 00:51:41 Speaker 4: Other people are playing, you know, for the beginners, Domino's Connect for you know, Twister if you're freaky, you know, like no, but Catan, no, no, no, no, no no no no no no. And we're not playing Scrabble either, too slow. And no Monopoly lestime I played that. My cousin Jemonica cut. 00:51:56 Speaker 3: Me Monopoly is out. I think we've all kind of finally acknowledged monopolies the worst. 00:52:02 Speaker 2: And it's supposed to feel that way because that's how capitalism feels. 00:52:05 Speaker 3: Yes, it's supposed to feel bad. Oh interesting. 00:52:09 Speaker 4: Yes, Monopolo was created by a woman to show the ills of capitalism, and then they stole it and they were like, this is a fun game and did exactly the and that's why it's monopoly is not fun when someone has the monopoly because all you do is paying out money to every time you land on board. 00:52:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you, tell us two against one year. Wrong. All right, this is the final segment of the podcast. It's called I said no emails. People are writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. They just have all sorts of questions. We hope me answer a question of course. All right, this is Hybridge or in guest. My name is frank and I hate going by the name Frankie. Recently at work, there's been a lot of people who have started calling me Frankie. I have no problem gently correcting them. However, my dilemma is that I think it's real goofy when people do a mobster esque nickname for me. For example, Frankie two shoes. I'm looking for ace on how to handle this without coworkers thinking I'm singling them out by correcting their use of Frankie, but not someone else's important information. We wear name tags, mine, says frank I've worked there for months. I do not want to have to explain the whole spiel every time it comes up. I love your pod, thank you. Oh okay, that's important, very important. They love the podcast best. That's from frank. She her. So, Frankie does not want to be called Frankie, and the entire staff apparently has kind of joined forces to be annoying. How do we get them to stop calling her frank Key Frankie without making. 00:53:34 Speaker 2: Everybody feel her name is frank her name. 00:53:37 Speaker 3: Is frank and leave her alone. Stop calling her Frankie especially, don't call her Frankie two shoes or Frankie frank name tages. But if you had, if you were working retail, you want somebody calling you Frankie two shoes. 00:53:53 Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind it. 00:53:55 Speaker 4: Oh, oh, frank because I'm gonna call you which mama frank which I do think is a very cool name for a girl. 00:54:03 Speaker 3: It's a great name. I love the name Frank for anything. 00:54:05 Speaker 4: And I could I get why, like taking away the coolness of Frank as a woman a special would be frustrated, making it kind of cute now, Frankie, See damn it, I did it, Frank, Frankly Frank, That's what I've been to saying, Frank. 00:54:20 Speaker 2: This was hard for me. 00:54:21 Speaker 4: Because Frank, I'm starting to sense that maybe you have a personality that people enjoy because I hate right, Like if I don't like seeing you at work, I'm not gonna be like Frankie shoes, you know what I mean? 00:54:36 Speaker 2: Like, if I hate you, you get your government name said and barely unless you have to. 00:54:40 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, it's Stewart on our shift. Like we're not calling Stuart stew We fucking hate Stewart. But if we love you, Frank, I could see how people might have made it Frankie and freaking bout a moment, Freakie a hit man and I and I'm sure this is giving the crunch the whole time. 00:54:55 Speaker 2: Frank. I'm so sorry. I don't know if there is a way for you to not seem like a killed. 00:55:00 Speaker 4: Joy to explain to everyone who clearly likes you that you would like to be called Frank. 00:55:07 Speaker 3: Right, this feels like an impossible situation. It's hard because if you make a big announcement, it's like people are like, why are you making such a big deal, loser? If you start correcting people all the time, and they must love Frank, they must. Maybe she puts this over the overhead speakers this episode. Maybe this gets through to everybody. Maybe she starts recommending the podcast. We get more listenings. 00:55:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then yeah, you recommend I said no gifts, and then tell them this episode and there's something in there for them, a gift for them. 00:55:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a kind of mutually beneficial for everybody here. Frank gets her wish. My listener's increase by at least four, and what a huge win for everybody. 00:55:52 Speaker 2: Do you all have team meetings at your job? 00:55:55 Speaker 3: Oh? Interesting? Or do you want them to be brought up in a team meeting. 00:55:58 Speaker 2: Maybe like a happy hour? I feel like if it's like you could be. 00:56:03 Speaker 4: Like random, but hey, y'all, my name is Frank, and I really would appreciate if y'all call me Frank, and that of mop's the name. 00:56:10 Speaker 6: I know. 00:56:10 Speaker 4: This is so petty and I love you all, but please call me Frank because I like to be called by my name. Is that cool? 00:56:17 Speaker 3: Or I don't know. 00:56:17 Speaker 4: Maybe you reverse psychology them and you start giving them nicknames that they hate until they get to the point when they start calling you by your real name. You know what I mean, Like Clay comes in and you're like, oh, Clay to clip clipto play right. 00:56:30 Speaker 3: They just start basically accusing people of crimes, lose the job, and then hope that your next job everyone hates you. That feels right to me, or embrace it too hard, get your name name tag, change to Frankie, start calling speaking in third person. It's Frankie. Frankie's here. People are gonna be so annoyed they're gonna go back to frank. 00:56:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:56:51 Speaker 4: I think the best strategy here would be a happy hour or a team meeting where you just bring up the pettiest of a grievance, and if you do it in a very un serious way, I have something really serious to bring up and they're like, Okay, it's not that serious, guys. 00:57:05 Speaker 2: Okay, y'all call me Frank because that's my name. 00:57:07 Speaker 3: Could you show me It's just a small amount of respect. 00:57:10 Speaker 2: I just want to call my name. 00:57:11 Speaker 3: I love you. 00:57:11 Speaker 2: Well, okay, Y'll call me Frank like. 00:57:14 Speaker 4: These are really your only recourse. And unfortunately you can't say what the consequences might be. It might be that people are like, oh, Frank's so fun. 00:57:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, Frank sucks, but you know you got to take a chance if it means make fuss to you. Yeah. Well, I think we answered the question perfectly. I think Frank's problems are going to go away, and then hopefully we'll never hear back from her. I don't know. Well, I've got my TV, yes, and I am very excited to see what happens with this little thing. And I've just had such a lovely time with you. 00:57:47 Speaker 2: I've had a great time with too, Vigo. 00:57:48 Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, Lacy, thank you for having me listener. The podcast is over. I'm I'm going to leave the studio and you're going to just you're going to find your yourself again and you're going to reclaim your life and move on with your day. I love you, goodbye, I said. No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our senior producer is Ellis Nelson, and our episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. The theme song is by Miracle Worker Amy Mann and we couldn't do it without our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the show on Instagram. At I said, no gifts, that's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts? 00:58:35 Speaker 2: He lievit? 00:58:36 Speaker 1: Did you hear? Though a man? 00:58:40 Speaker 2: Myself? 00:58:41 Speaker 1: Perfectly clear? 00:58:43 Speaker 3: But you're a guest to me. 00:58:48 Speaker 2: You gotta come to me empty. 00:58:50 Speaker 1: And I said, no guests, your presences presents, And. 00:58:58 Speaker 2: I am already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me