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Speaker 1: You got to really want to work into this business

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 3: So we have.

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Speaker 2: Avoided having news people on the show, and that's only

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Speaker 2: because the news is my business, and as you know,

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Speaker 2: this is meant to be a break from all of that.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of don't forget to check out our new pod

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Speaker 2: within a pod talking politics, where I do get into

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Speaker 2: all the news of the week. But for Off the Cup,

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Speaker 2: I was thrilled to make an exception for someone pretty

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Speaker 2: so much more I want to dig into with her,

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Speaker 2: because very few people know what the women of this

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Speaker 2: And you have to reach a certain level of success

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Speaker 2: that you can maintain your position, your power, And frankly,

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Speaker 2: that's what most people do. But today's guest got to

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Speaker 2: women in this business get their power from other women.

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Speaker 2: It is not actually from the men, even if the

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Speaker 2: that's a signal to everyone else that were valuable.

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Speaker 2: And it's just as true that when women hold each

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Speaker 2: end of both. Every woman in this business have they've

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Speaker 2: know another woman in this business who has an experience

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Speaker 2: a little of everything. But few in this business know

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Speaker 2: more about navigating these tricky waters and knowing our value

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Speaker 2: than today's guest. She's the co host of MSNBC's long

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Speaker 2: running morning show Morning Joe. She's founder of the Know

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Speaker 2: Your Value initiative, which empowers women to challenge gender and

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Speaker 2: age norms in work and in life. She's a longtime journalist.

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Speaker 2: She's a published author. Welcome to Off the Cop Mika Brazinski.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, are you making me cry? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Well, you've been that person I'll never forget. I was

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Speaker 2: auditioning for the View, which we do not ever need

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Speaker 2: I was at CNN, but Nicole and I knew each other.

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Speaker 2: We were totally friendly. And she had a dress and

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Speaker 2: This is the one that's going to make me look

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Speaker 2: at CNN, She's always talked about how much of a

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Speaker 1: Well, I wow, I'm I've always felt so blessed to

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Speaker 1: Also, the other way to and you've done it, I've

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Speaker 1: I've been taught break the rules, don't ask for permission,

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Speaker 1: And in the Know Your Value world, whether it's events

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I've seen people do like entire shows just

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Speaker 2: come over, and friends and socialites, and they'd have these

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Speaker 2: great conversations and the women would retire to this room

443
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 2: and the men would, you know, And I'm just thinking

444
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: of like that kind of this was all in Washington.

445
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of that kind of childhood, which sounds incredible.

446
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: It was like that with kind of this Polish refugee

447
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: farmer hunt around, like a lot of really gamy rough

448
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: around the edges stuff mixed in, Like my mom and

449
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: my dad are refugees, so we're not going and buying

450
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: clothes at the mall. We're going to the second hands

451
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 1: door in McLean Like we're not you know, we're not

452
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: fixing things when they break, we fix them ourselves or yeah, yeah, yeah,

453
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: they just stay broken, you know. And so like, you know,

454
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: we had chickens, we had geese going around everywhere, and

455
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Speaker 1: then my mom got tired of them one day and.

456
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Speaker 4: So we ate them yep, yep.

457
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Speaker 1: And so it was kind of very it was very

458
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Speaker 1: raggedy and still had that Catherine Graham esque you too,

459
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Speaker 1: I get.

460
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Speaker 4: Like at one point my.

461
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: Dad called my mom and said, we're having dinner with

462
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Speaker 1: the Pope tonight. He wants the family to come, and

463
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Speaker 1: so like my mom has to get three teens ready

464
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Speaker 1: for dinner with the pope. And my mom she was

465
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Speaker 1: you know, she did these huge sculptures. So this is

466
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: a woman with big mind, okay, and so she gets

467
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Speaker 1: us together. My eldest brother, Ian, the Republican, of course,

468
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: didn't want to go, and then finally showed up in

469
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Speaker 1: like ripped jeans and you know those timberland boots that

470
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Speaker 1: the guys would wear untied, yes, and and those so

471
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Speaker 1: Pope John Paul the Scond sees us coming in, like

472
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Speaker 1: me with my hair kind of oh my god, thank god,

473
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Speaker 1: I think he understood.

474
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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say. But like so he comes and.

475
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Speaker 1: He sees us, and we're just we're a motley crew,

476
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Speaker 1: We're a mess. And my dad is like looking at

477
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Speaker 1: my mom, like what have you done to me? But

478
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: the Pope looks at my brother, looks at my mom,

479
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Speaker 1: who's kind of nervous, and then looks at my mom

480
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: again and winks at her and has her sit next

481
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Speaker 1: to him, and and you know, you'd think that'd be

482
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: the end of the story. It's kind of sweet, right,

483
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: He sort of brings us together, right, except my mom

484
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: decides to like go at him about birth control and

485
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Speaker 1: women in the Catholic church.

486
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Speaker 4: And my dad, my dad's like.

487
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Speaker 1: You could see the steam coming out of his ears,

488
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Speaker 1: like across the table. And this is dinner with the Pope,

489
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Speaker 1: Like meskis so.

490
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Speaker 3: But what an education? That's so that's so great.

491
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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

492
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Speaker 2: You go to Georgetown, then you transferred to Williams.

493
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Speaker 4: I did because I got rejected from Williams twice.

494
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Speaker 3: But that's where you wanted to be.

495
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Speaker 1: Right, And I love Georgetown, and I but say, I

496
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: don't like it.

497
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Speaker 4: I don't when I get a know, that's like that.

498
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Speaker 3: Gets sticks, it sticks with you.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I applied to Williams again and they

500
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Speaker 1: rejected me again and.

501
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: Said, Rudy, I know.

502
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: And so then I applied to transfer as a junior

503
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Speaker 1: into Williams. And I I mean, my brother Ian went there,

504
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: and so I'm thinking he's probably like laid ways to

505
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: the place he did have. He was known as doctor

506
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: Destructo and I had to send him money his fault,

507
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: I think because I had just had him money one

508
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Speaker 1: year or something about street lights. So anyhow, I applied

509
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Speaker 1: again the third time, I guess, and I'm like, I

510
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: got to get in, and I get a letter it's

511
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Speaker 1: thin and I got waitlisted. So I went to the

512
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Speaker 1: Williamstown Favor Festival.

513
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Speaker 4: Do you know what that is?

514
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: Of course, yes, of course.

515
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: And I was like Roblow's Apprentice. I worked with Christopher

516
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: Walking and all these things. And I'm doing all this.

517
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: They're all like, oh, You're so lucky, you Robbelo's Apprentice,

518
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, I just want to get into this place. Okay, college,

519
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever whatever. Who's Rob Low and so and so.

520
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: It's the most amazing summer. But I used it to

521
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: when every day when I went jogging, I knocked on

522
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Speaker 1: the president's door. I think it was Chandler at the time,

523
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: and I was like, Hi, I'm Mika, I'm on the

524
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Speaker 1: wait list and I would like to see if President

525
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: Chandler would like to interview me for my acceptance to

526
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: this great college. And I think they literally were like,

527
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: just let her in, just make her stop. But about

528
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: four days before school started, I got a call and

529
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: I got in my Nissan Stanza, packed it up and

530
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: moved into Bryan House.

531
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Speaker 4: And I was a junior at Williams.

532
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Speaker 3: Like it really is, I was joking with it. It

533
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 3: really is, like Rudy, it's crazy. No, I.

534
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: Me literally, it's a good story. It's like a life yeah,

535
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: a life message that you just don't stop.

536
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 3: Ever, what do you do when you graduate.

537
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: I tried to get into TV and I got a

538
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Speaker 1: lot of no's, which you know how that impacts me, Yes,

539
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: But I got a note from the TV market in Presquile, Maine.

540
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: I believe that is the smallest market, there is nobody

541
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Speaker 1: would hire me, and so I drove around my Stanza

542
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: everywhere applying for jobs. I got one job at Vermont

543
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: ETV Public Television, where I hosted a fundraiser for one

544
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: night for one hundred bucks. So for three months I

545
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: worked in the press office of the Governor, Madelin Cunon's office,

546
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: and then did this live fundraiser.

547
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Speaker 4: I was horrible. It was a disaster.

548
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: And then I continue to look for work and took

549
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Speaker 1: a job as a desk assistant at ABC World News

550
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: This Morning, so I worked overnights, therefore starting a career

551
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: that would go decades into the future of working mornings

552
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: and overnights and all the different problems that come.

553
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: Along with Yeah, it was a.

554
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Speaker 1: You got to really want to work into this business

555
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: because you have to work some really bad hours and

556
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Speaker 1: I've worked all of.

557
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: Them, yep, for same same coming up.

558
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: You know, you say yes to Christmas Eve, Christmas.

559
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: Morning, all the Jewish holidays, like everything, I'll be there.

560
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: I was there.

561
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I was there weekends, nights, overnights, holidays.

562
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

563
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: You move up to network and eventually MSNBC and what

564
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: try to tell me what the environment was like at

565
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: that time for women.

566
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, it was, it was, it was,

567
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Speaker 1: it was. It was hard because there were some situations

568
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: in which, yeah, there were people that hit on you.

569
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: It didn't happen to me as much. And I think

570
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Speaker 1: it's because I was like, again the girl that I

571
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: described in high school. But you know, at the same

572
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I just knew if I worked really hard,

573
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Speaker 1: perhaps it would pay off. And that didn't happen as

574
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: often as I thought, because I would get I had

575
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: situations where an actual, real beauty queen okay, would get

576
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: the job that I wanted, and it's like, no joke,

577
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, geez, my obsession with beauty queens.

578
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: It's like coming back to bite me again. But you know,

579
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: I don't know who to blame.

580
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: It is. There's a lot of blame to go around

581
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: in a situation like that, and I don't pold against

582
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: any of it. It was all made me stronger, yep.

583
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of that in the beginning,

584
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: and that was one of the reasons why I started

585
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: to know your value because I hated the way women

586
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: were pitted against each other.

587
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: I hated that.

588
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I want to be I want

589
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: to create a situation and a culture and a community

590
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: where the.

591
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Speaker 4: Exact opposite happens.

592
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: Yes, and that is just out And so those first

593
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: years were useful, even though there were some negative experiences. Yeah. Sure,

594
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: so it was I think very hard to be and

595
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: it was hard to be a woman starting out in

596
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Speaker 1: the business because of the competitive of nature. And there

597
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: was only a few and yeah, it had this sort

598
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: of sexual overtone at all times. Of course, you know

599
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: where that edge was important. That was part of the job.

600
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: And again it's just not a competitor on that stuff.

601
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: So I think I noticed it more because I'm like, yeah,

602
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I try to and it doesn't

603
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: come out right, looks crazy.

604
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: It's not an ethical question for me. It's like, I mean,

605
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: I can't. I just can't.

606
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: I'm just it's never going to be me.

607
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: It's never I was one of those who was like, oh,

608
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: I'll just step aside because right, okay.

609
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get I want to I want to read

610
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: you something okay that I came across. It's from two

611
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Speaker 2: thousand and one. It's Review and Entertainment Weekly. I'm sure

612
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: you'll remember. Ken Tucker is the author. He's writing about

613
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: the changes to cable news programming. Here's what he says

614
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Speaker 2: of Chris Matthews. He says, as Matthew's profile rises, so

615
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: does that of his entire channel. MSNBC used to fill

616
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: the afternoon with homepage high tech grab bag aimed at

617
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Speaker 2: females anchored by the powerpuff Girls of journalism, Ashley Banfield,

618
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: Mika Prasinski, and Gina Gaston. The show, which had the

619
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Speaker 2: gals gabbin and giggling one second, then putting on their

620
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: all caps serious news faces to read a disaster story

621
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: off their teleprompters, was doomed, and the Florida recount gave

622
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: MSNBC an excuse to break up the Powerpuffs and scatter

623
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: them throughout the network's news day schedule.

624
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

625
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Now this same article, Mika, he compares Peter Jennings to

626
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: James Bond, Chris Matthews to Tom Sawyer, and Tucker Carlson

627
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: to the Rock.

628
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Speaker 3: You guys are power powerpuff girls.

629
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just need to know how you

630
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: felt when you read this in real time.

631
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Speaker 1: Well, the good news is I vaguely remember it, but

632
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: I will say I loved Hardball. I thought it was

633
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: a great show. I really did love the first line.

634
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: But I do remember being called the powapuff girls, and

635
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: I think I was at the stage of my career

636
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: where I'm like, well, at least they notice. But I

637
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: will say that I learned so much. And I think

638
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: I speak for Gina too, who I love so much

639
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: that Ashley taught me so much.

640
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: She's like one of my best friends. She is.

641
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: She's like, first of all, I don't know where she

642
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: gets the energy. She has so much energy. She's always

643
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: firing on all cylinders. And I learned, like you know,

644
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I teach how you advocate for yourself and what the

645
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: words are that you need to bring to the table,

646
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: and all the kind of the basics.

647
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: Ashley she self advocates.

648
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Speaker 1: In a way that I am in awe of because

649
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: she brings many others along with her. Yeah, but she's

650
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: able to so quickly synthesize what's important to say in

651
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: the middle of a negotiation, or the middle of a moment,

652
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: or in a moment of breaking news, or in a

653
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: moment where you need to speak to a manager and

654
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: you need to get your point across.

655
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Speaker 4: I mean, she like made that she's fearless.

656
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: It was her exercise every day, you know, like she

657
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: was so good, she's fearless, and I remember really enjoying

658
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: sitting next to her and learning a lot. I was

659
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: still learning a lot about the business and about who

660
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be and what I was and what

661
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: it was I brought to the table, and it was

662
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: fascinating and great to be next to someone who already

663
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: knew I think she did, and so I don't.

664
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Speaker 4: I don't think we were powerpuff girls.

665
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: I think we were like we had three hours to

666
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: fill and we were trying a lot of things. Sure,

667
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: and I don't really give a damn what can things

668
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: or whatever his name is. I you know, again, just

669
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: like where we began here in this conversation, this business

670
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: is all about trying new things. Yeah, and it's vapor Like,

671
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll even find that video.

672
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 4: If you do, let me go, because.

673
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: I hear that I had some amazing hairstyles for that.

674
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: That was Those were the years old. Well, listen, those

675
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: were the years where they kind of told me what

676
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: to do when they made me. They gave me clothes

677
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: to wear, and they did my hair. And I will

678
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: never let that happen again. That's all I'll say. So

679
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: it was terrible, terrible. I think I think I wore

680
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: red snakeskin boots with a short skirt.

681
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I did amazing, I sure did. We all did,

682
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: girl all yet we've all had that face.

683
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I mean that that's wild. It's wild to

684
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: think that that would never be written today. A but

685
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: B it wasn't like a hundred years ago.

686
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: It was like twenty.

687
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: Like that's crazy that that wasn't like that was I

688
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: was working at that time when that was written about

689
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: women in our job, Like, that's crazy.

690
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: I know, I know, I think it is.

691
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say we tried some stuff

692
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: like are open to our show? We did it like

693
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Charlie's Angels, like walking. Yes, I mean, I guess we

694
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: set ourselves up a little bit. But you know what,

695
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: I think it's great when I see people trying things

696
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: and I think, what's what's mean about that? And what

697
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: seems caddy about that is that like this was a

698
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: show that was really trying a lot of new things.

699
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, and we and God forbid you have fun.

700
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: Oh don't do that.

701
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: God forbid you have fun?

702
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: God forbid exactly.

703
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you're then you're not taking it seriously enough.

704
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: And it's like, guys, the dudes have fun all day,

705
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: all day long, do yucking it up with each other.

706
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 3: We can have fun too. It doesn't make us any

707
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: less serious and all. We can laugh at ourselves.

708
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Yes, and when it doesn't work, it just doesn't work.

709
00:36:48,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: That's okay, and so go and move on. I need

710
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: to know if you think that me too worked.

711
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: I remember at the time because I had a show

712
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: at the time where I was inviting women on tell

713
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: your story. It was super cathartic to have all these

714
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: stories come out. But I still feel like if I

715
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: were up against a bigger name, a more powerful guy,

716
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: who did something inappropriate and I told I'd lose my

717
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: job and he wouldn't, and that doesn't feel like job security,

718
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: and that doesn't feel like things have really changed.

719
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm also equally concerned at because of the topic

720
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: that we talked about earlier, where you were the sole

721
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: tweet in my defense, I'm very concerned about cancel culture.

722
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: Well say that.

723
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like this has.

724
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: Gotten even more I think of a toxic brew because

725
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: of social media and because of this sort of pylon

726
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: and because of the political division that we're in right now,

727
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: where things might happen to get someone canceled has nothing

728
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: to do with the person at all. But in terms

729
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: of the dynamic between men and women, I think a

730
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: lot of ground has been gained and a lot of

731
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: opportunities have been open to women, and I like to

732
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: work on building a community where none of that shit is.

733
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: It's not welcome, it just doesn't happen. It's like creating

734
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: a culture, creating a newsroom that doesn't have these issues,

735
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: creating a community where you can talk about these things

736
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: but also elevate these people way above them. And so

737
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: I feel like the counter to this is not necessarily.

738
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 4: In the moment, or in the courtroom.

739
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: Or in the court of public opinion, but it's in

740
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: creating cultures and community is where we don't have to

741
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: deal with this. And that doesn't mean communities that are

742
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: all women. I mean there are many amazing male counterparts.

743
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: You need men.

744
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: Yes, the man show other men how to be exactly,

745
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: and so there is there's a lot of instead of like,

746
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: let's stay over here on this side because men are bad,

747
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: Like that's not how I want. I think we work

748
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: on this by lifting up the good ones on both

749
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: sides and by the way back to another thing that

750
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: I referred to, but I would not put the name

751
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: on to give that gift. There are some women who

752
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: are who do not play fair in this arena as well, correct,

753
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: and that's not talked about enough. I mean, if we're

754
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: going to go there, I just I'm always sort of like, yeah,

755
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: but okay, you know, yeah, there's some real.

756
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: Bad queen by the same rules. Yeah, exactly, I know

757
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: what you mean. Uh, okay, I want to shift to

758
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 2: to mental health for a minute, because we talk about

759
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: that a lot here. I've been open about my struggles

760
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: with severe anxiety and had a nervous breakdown. And we

761
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: cover some very hard stuff in our business, you know,

762
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: whether that's nine to eleven and you or the Syrian

763
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: War for me. We've covered mass shootings. Even politics can

764
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: be rough to cover and emotional and disorienting and triggering.

765
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: We've both been targeted by the President, which you know

766
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: can be a lot. How do you manage and regulate

767
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: your mental health? Do you take stories home with you?

768
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: Do you compartmentalize, do you carve out time? Do you

769
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: what do you do to make sure that you do

770
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: not become emotionally a victim of the work that we do.

771
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: Well, I think the biggest instead of being a victim,

772
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: I think the biggest concern is that And I think

773
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I struggled with this, but I did.

774
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: You become a nord to the depth of what you

775
00:40:53,160 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: are covering. And right now what I do is I

776
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I do therapy.

777
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 4: I specificed up a therapy.

778
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: It's called dialectical behavioral therapy and.

779
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 4: Kind of brings you back.

780
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: To your core values and core beliefs about people, including

781
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: everyone is trying their best. And by the way, when

782
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: I started this a few years ago, her first assignment

783
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: was that I had to watch Fox News for two weeks.

784
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I had to watch it until I could truly believe

785
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: that every single person on Fox News was doing their best, just.

786
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: Trying the best.

787
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: And I was.

788
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm, I'm I'm working really hard here,

789
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: and she like made me watch it until I could

790
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: genuinely truly believe that they're trying and I'm saying it

791
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: series like they're are people who are trying their best.

792
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: And that's a funny example. But some of the other

793
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: assignments she gave me were deeper, were like how do

794
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: I get over some of the guilty in my life?

795
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: And I never actually had an ant for that, except

796
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: that I resigned myself to no longer trip over what's

797
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: behind me, which, which annoyingly is an Arianna Huffington post

798
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: that I saw on Instagram. I'm like, oh God, there's

799
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: the answer. It was like a lag and it said

800
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: don't trip over what's behind you. And I'm like, I

801
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: can do that.

802
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 4: It's good, right, Yeah, don't trip over what's behind you.

803
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: That's very good.

804
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: And so she gave me a pass on that. She's like,

805
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: you're never going to get over the guilt, but you

806
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: if you vow to to not trip over what's behind you,

807
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: that's good. But back to the news business. This this

808
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: is hard to confront. But I think one of the

809
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 1: things that really went wrong for me in my life

810
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: as a mother, h is that it became such a

811
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: part of my day, you know, covering the news. And

812
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: when let's see, my daughters were like three and five,

813
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: I covered nine to eleven, and I was down there

814
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: in the pit for like six weeks. And I was

815
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: there when the towers fell and hid and all these

816
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: things and saw people and yeah, but from then on

817
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: it keep it keeps going. Like when you're in this business,

818
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you cover things, it clever, plane crashes, after that, you

819
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: cover Newtown And I remember my kid's dad, my ex husband,

820
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: and Jim Hoffer is an investigative reporter for Channel seven

821
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: at the time, and he was like ugh, and he

822
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: went and you know, drove up to Newtown to cover that.

823
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: And but you hear our voice, we almost sound like

824
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: we're not connected with it.

825
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

826
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: That was a big mistake. I mean it was a

827
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: protection of self protection. And as two turnalists, we could

828
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: we could be that way because we knew later we

829
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: could talk about the horror of whatever it was we

830
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: were covering. But our kids, and I'll speak for myself,

831
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: our kids saw like nothing when we come home from

832
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: covering these things and we think we're protecting them, and

833
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: there was a whole beat missing. And so the therapy

834
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: has really helped kind of connect like how how to

835
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: be present and react things and feel them but not

836
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: let them consume you because you do.

837
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Speaker 4: It all the time.

838
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: So that's so interesting, Wow.

839
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: How did I get here? But I do understand that

840
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: mental health is a is a constant work in progress. Yeah,

841
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: it's something that I've I definitely I've had my my

842
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: dark times.

843
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting the way you just put that

844
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: with kids. I remember when I was struggling my son

845
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: was very young, and my therapist was like, let me

846
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: ask you. Are you hiding your anxiety from your kid?

847
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, of course, And she's like, do not

848
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: do this in age appropriate ways. He should see that

849
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: you are imperfect. You're not trying to raise a perfect

850
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: kid who never has a problem, or who thinks my

851
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: mom's got all the answers and she never has a

852
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: bad day or she never struggles.

853
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: So once I was.

854
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: Given permission again in age appropriate ways to share that

855
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: with him. Mom's not feeling okay and mom needs to

856
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: talk to someone. Let me tell you how rewarding that

857
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: has been back because when he has had tough time,

858
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 2: So mom, can I talk to someone?

859
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: Right?

860
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: As a parent, that's all you ask for, Just ask

861
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: for help. Do not suffer in silence. And so that

862
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: was such a great And now he's turning eleven, he's

863
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: learning about nine to eleven in school, and nine to

864
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 2: eleven was very hard for me, and twenty five years later,

865
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: it's still hard for me to talk about it, but

866
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: he is curious about it.

867
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: So I talk to my therapist. She's like, well, this

868
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: is great. He is interested in history m hm.

869
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: And you have a unique connection to this historical event,

870
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: and this is your opportunity to see it through his

871
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: eyes and stop seeing it through your eyes.

872
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: So we took him to the nine to eleven Memorial.

873
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: It was the first time I'd been there, and it

874
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: was so hard for me, but also important that I

875
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: not shut him off from this or shut off my

876
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: feelings from him and say, yeah, Jack, this was really

877
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: tough on mom.

878
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: And he goes to me.

879
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: He goes, Mom, if this gets too tough and you

880
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: start to cry, it's okay, we can leave, Like so sweet.

881
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 4: I love him.

882
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he's the best. But the mental health,

883
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: the job, and the.

884
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 4: Kids part, that's a big one.

885
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: It's big, and it all comes together, right, It all

886
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: comes together in a way that's either very powerful and

887
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: helpful or in a way that can be really really,

888
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 2: really destructive and tough. Absolutely, But you just we're all

889
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: just trying our best.

890
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: Right, Yes we are, Watchbox, we are.

891
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: Yes.

892
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: You've recently opened up about your skin allergies. Oh I

893
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: didn't know this could happen later.

894
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: Wait, like, it's so bad? Did you see my face?

895
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

896
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 4: Did you see my face?

897
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: Well, it's your face looks great. I don't know what

898
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: you mean.

899
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: It's much better now. But I looked.

900
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: I literally said, I think the headline from the article

901
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: that they pulled is I looked grotesque. But I was

902
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: covered with hives and acne and rashes and my face

903
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: felt like bugs were crawling up. And it was three

904
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: months and they were doing articles like Mika Persinsky will

905
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: refuse this to go to work, Mika Persinsky is taking

906
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: a vacation, Mika Persinsky is so lazy and doesn't And

907
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I was like.

908
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: Oh God, have you seen me?

909
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 4: Have you seen me? We met?

910
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because first of all, like the joke on Morning

911
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Joe is like everybody was gone and I was always

912
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: there like I always was, you know. And so but

913
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: I did take a lot of time off this summer

914
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: because my face was just the worst thing I've ever seen.

915
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: And the pictures take a look, but it's prolonged exposure

916
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: to regular makeup that everybody wears and forty years in

917
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: this business. Everything I use everything, shampoo, root boost, hairspray,

918
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: everything had three ingredients in it that I cannot pronounce,

919
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: and all the products have it.

920
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: And suddenly suddenly you were allergic to it.

921
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: So I would feel allergies every year, kind of bad,

922
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: and I thought it was pollen because it happened around spring.

923
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: Yes, And it.

924
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: Turns out I did the patch testing because this summer

925
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: it exploded. They came at the same time, but it

926
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: was just way worse, and they were like, you're not

927
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: allergic to pollen at all. The results show that you

928
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: were not allergic to anything. In fact, you're one of

929
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: the most non allergic people we've got except for these

930
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: three things. And there I can look them up for

931
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: you if you want. Yes, oh my god, they're in

932
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: my article.

933
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: But I can find it too. I can find it.

934
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 2: But you're describing me. My allergies are crazy.

935
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's your mazing.

936
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 3: It's going to come to my faith. Yeah.

937
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh, because I felt pins and needles all

938
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: over my body and it's it was the makeup, it

939
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: was everything. It was detergent, it was body lotion. I

940
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: don't use anything. I mean, if I want to use

941
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: a moisturizer right now, it's like vaseline.

942
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: So did you have to find products that you could

943
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: use for TV that you weren't.

944
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: All I did.

945
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: I found some in Clinique, so it's like the eighties

946
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: again for me. But they're really good. And but I'm

947
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: going to make I think I'm going to make a product.

948
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to do something with the Environmental Working Group

949
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: and we're going to come up.

950
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 4: I'm either going to.

951
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: Collab with someone, talking with some folks about colabbing. But

952
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I want to make products that are really good, not

953
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: too expensive but still special and that don't have that

954
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: crap in it. And it's really hard to do. It's

955
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: really hard to do. So it's going to be a challenge.

956
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: But I'm here for it. Yeah, I'm here for it.

957
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 3: Help us all I know.

958
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: So Martha Stewart just came out with a serum that's

959
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: really good. She actually she called me this summer to

960
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: go to dinner and I was like, I can't because

961
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: look at my face, and I sent her of selfie.

962
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: She was like, oh, that's terrible.

963
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: And then but she just came out with a serum

964
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: that does not have those three products, and as it

965
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: was the thing I could use until I found like

966
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: more things through clinique, and like I have an app

967
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: that I have to put the app, the app on

968
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: the product and the QR code and it lets me

969
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: know if I'm allowed to use it. It's like nothing,

970
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to use nothing.

971
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

972
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 4: So I got to make some things?

973
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: You do you do?

974
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: Because yeah, I'm very very into skincare. I'm very conscious about,

975
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: you know, my skin and using good products, and I.

976
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 3: Don't want that to happen. I don't want that.

977
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: I love doing masks, and I like, do you know

978
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: I get the Haley Beeber mask and you know what

979
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: I did by mistake? Do you ever get sucked into

980
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: these things? You're buying one and then all of a

981
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: sudden it's a subscription.

982
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: Yes, of course all the time.

983
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: So Haley Bieber's masks keep surviving to my apartment and

984
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: I can't use them, okay, and I can't stop the subscription.

985
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 4: Oh so anyhow, I gotta make a mask.

986
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: You have to.

987
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 2: You have to let me know and let me know

988
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: if I can help, because I'm I will obsessed with this.

989
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna You're gonna be my guinea pigs.

990
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 4: I'll test them on you.

991
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: I love it. I'm serious about this. I think if I.

992
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: See you doing masks on your Instagram. I do.

993
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with masks.

994
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with skincare, but I'm obsessed with like the

995
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: science of it. So if I get a product, I

996
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: look up all the ingredients. The first question I have

997
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: is is that ingredient absorbed by the skin, like hyaluronic

998
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 2: acid not absorbed by the skin, So it's not actually

999
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: changing underneath your skin, Which is fine that it just

1000
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: kind of sits on your skin, but I want to

1001
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: know what it's supposed to do and what it is doing.

1002
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: And so like I'm very very keyed in on the

1003
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: skincare ingredients.

1004
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: Well, just the bottom line is the truth is and

1005
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna I need to create a few

1006
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: things that we can use as we get older, but

1007
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: also that as we can use, Yes, but that the

1008
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 1: truth is less is more.

1009
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 4: Just if you do nothing.

1010
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: Honestly, this stuff is all really bad for you. It's

1011
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: more bad for you. All of the products, everything, everything

1012
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: in the store is like I look at it now

1013
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: as as dangerous weapons.

1014
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: Wow, because they're so bad for you.

1015
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: They all have garbage in it that eats away at

1016
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: your skin and develops analogy.

1017
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we need to know, we need we need you

1018
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: on this. I'm money, we need you on this. Okay, wonderful.

1019
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: I've got a lightning round to end.

1020
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 4: Okay, I love, Okay, I think, I think?

1021
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh you do you do? These are fun?

1022
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 2: As a power couple in the news. Who's another great

1023
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 2: power couple you admire?

1024
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 4: And you said it was going to be easy?

1025
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: Another power A power couple I admire, a power couple

1026
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: I admire. Well, I really admired my parents. Oh that's okay,

1027
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: that's okay. They were like a major power couple for sure.

1028
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: We know you didn't see the post.

1029
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 2: But what's your favorite movie about politics or Washington?

1030
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 4: Oh?

1031
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: Oh god, you're killing me. My favorite movie about politics

1032
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: or Washington? I would say, probably what was it called?

1033
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: Help me out here?

1034
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 4: Okay, who's in it?

1035
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: You know?

1036
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 4: It's our it's our guys, it's our guys.

1037
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: Those guys.

1038
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: All the presidents men. Yes, well that's fantastic. Yes, yes,

1039
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: that's a very safe and but wonderful answer. Did you

1040
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: ever see did you see heartburn?

1041
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: No, don't donate Okay, don'tate me because I don't see movie.

1042
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: Heartburn is incredible because it's Jack Nicholson again and Meryl Street.

1043
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: But but it's the story of Carl Bernstein and Nora Efron.

1044
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 3: Oh wait, dramatized.

1045
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: I think I have I think I have.

1046
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: Carl, but it's.

1047
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: Yes, but noah, okay, yeah.

1048
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: Don't you just love Nora Fron so much?

1049
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 4: I love Nora and Carl.

1050
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, right, okay, who's uh an interview

1051
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: you're most proud of?

1052
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: Well, an interview I'm most proud of. M mmmm, an

1053
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 4: interview I'm most proud of. Hm. I don't think I've

1054
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: had that interview yet.

1055
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great answer, though. Yeah.

1056
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: I always, I always very like critical of my interviews,

1057
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: are you Yeah, I don't walk out of them going yeah,

1058
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: I killed that.

1059
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 4: I will say the most difficult.

1060
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: Interview I've ever had that I feel I did my

1061
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: job on was an interview with Joe Biden when.

1062
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 4: He was accused of rape.

1063
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: That's tie, when he was accused of sexual assault by

1064
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: the woman.

1065
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: Her name escapes me.

1066
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: But it was it was a really hard interview to

1067
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: do because I know him, I know his family, I've

1068
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: grown up with him, and I had to make sure

1069
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: that I balanced doing an effective interview that asked the

1070
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: questions that that and followed up and perhaps even went

1071
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: a little further as sort of proof that there wasn't

1072
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: some sort of game being played here. And that was

1073
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: just a fine balance. And it was vally like the

1074
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: set was like when the interview was done, like Joe was.

1075
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 4: Like, I got to get out of here.

1076
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: Was like, I got I got to get out of here.

1077
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: He got up and like walked away, and like everyone

1078
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: was like.

1079
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good interview.

1080
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: Oh so it and it hurt and I had to

1081
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: like take a moment to breathe, but I had done

1082
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: a good job.

1083
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: Love that.

1084
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the habit of Joe's your husband, Joe that

1085
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: annoys you the most?

1086
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: Uh? A habit of Joe's that annoys me the most?

1087
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't annoy me?

1088
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 3: What No, he doesn't annoy you at all? No, do

1089
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: you annoy him? What's the habit of yours that he

1090
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: would say annoys him?

1091
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: I eat in bed?

1092
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: Okay?

1093
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and sometimes like yeah yeah yeah. And if I've

1094
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 4: taken like medicine, I don't really it's not good.

1095
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I can get messy yeah.

1096
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Like what's all this chocolate in the morning

1097
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: and then it'll be like, oh you know, yes, yes,

1098
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Speaker 1: where are the.

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Speaker 3: Chips in my bad?

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Speaker 1: Why am I rolling around in M and M's Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's very he's very neat.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, we're back.

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Speaker 3: We lost you for a minute technical difficulties, and I

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Speaker 3: now have help.

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Speaker 4: I'm not my brain.

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00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: Who's who's here with you?

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00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 4: Joe?

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00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: Hi Joe? She says, you don't do anything that annoys her?

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00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 5: Why try not too?

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00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, she said that and meant it earnestly.

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00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 5: I think sometimes like she it's not that I annoy her,

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00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 5: but she tries.

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00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 4: To protect me.

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00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 5: I'm like six', Four i'm a big guy with a loud,

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00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 5: voice so there's a lot of times where she'll tap.

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00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 4: Me But i'm not, annoyed not.

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00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 5: Annoyed but she's trying to help. Me, say don't you,

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 5: know don't scare small pieces you?

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00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Pets?

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Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, okay this is the second to last.

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Speaker 3: Question if you had to, choose are you guys going

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00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: to a comedy show or? Karaoke?

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00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 5: Oh comedy?

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00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: Show yeah you.

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00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 4: Would you wouldn't want to get.

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00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 3: Up and, sing would?

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00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: You?

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00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 4: Yes BUT i have. SAT i have sat to comedy

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00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 4: shows Where i'm like. This she doesn't really get. IT

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00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 4: i get, it but.

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Speaker 1: Like later AND i seriously remember THE i Love tofu license.

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00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 4: PLATES i will tell her in.

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Speaker 1: Morning, joe we had somebody to put up a license

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00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: plate that SAID i Love. Tofu and the whole set was, like,

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00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: oh put that, away And i'm like, why why? Why

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00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: and then like ten minutes later we had done like

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00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: two other. Stories i'm, like oh my, godness so fine

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00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: and everyone was.

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00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: Like, well, yeah will, yeah people will tell her.

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00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 4: Jokes my brains on delay walk away at all.

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00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: Times you need some time to sit with The it

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00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: works just. Slowly you just need some. Time, okay this

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00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: is the last, question and it's the most important question

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: to me because this is my is my culture and my.

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00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: Religion when is it iced coffee?

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00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: Season?

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00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: Oh, well For joe it's every. Season he that's all he,

1148
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: drinks is like ice.

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00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: Coffee correct, Answer, YEAH i love. It not for.

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00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 5: ME i also, THOUGH i need it because WHEN i wake,

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00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 5: UP i need to get something down really fast, quickly

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00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 5: wake me up, right.

1153
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 3: SO i don't have time to sip hot.

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00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 5: Y i don't have to do.

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00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 3: It it's got to be, down, no you, know hot.

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00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: Meka, okay the important thing is you both like. Coffee,

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00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: yes yes we. Do but for, me iced coffee is a.

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00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: Religion it's all year, round.

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00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: All year round around.

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00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 5: Totally, yeah, rain, rain, sleet, snow hot, weather cold, weather, anytime.

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00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: Skiing on the ski. Slopes i've got ice, Coffee. Doe,

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 2: yeah thank, You, mika and good to see, You, Joe

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: AND i really appreciate you making this.

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00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 4: Time, well thank you so much for having. Me it

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Speaker 4: was really.

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Speaker 2: Nice next week On off The, CUP i talked to

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Speaker 2: a Former White House chief Of staff and possible twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight, contender Rom.

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Speaker 3: EMMANUEL i Decided i'm going to go to, college AND

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Speaker 3: i told my.

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01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: Parent my mother was very, disappointed and She's, jewish so

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Speaker 4: she's still disappointed in ninety. THREE i, mean still be

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Speaker 4: a moment and she'll just go you could have been a,

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Speaker 4: dancer LIKE.

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Speaker 3: I don't, KNOW i got, yeah, Yeah ambassador Mayor, no

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Speaker 3: you could have been a.

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01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,400
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