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Speaker 1: feeling the woods. Okay, it's been thrown off in the

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Speaker 1: Are you a common day behind off? My husband heard

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Speaker 1: what is it? What is it doing now? Dear Lord

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Speaker 1: in heaven? Can you even imagine realizing an infant baby

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Speaker 1: Can't you save the baby? Is the baby dead? That

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Speaker 1: Is he grace? This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. We want answers. A tiny baby thrown

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Speaker 1: You can leave a baby at a police station, have

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Speaker 1: want to kill the baby? Throw the baby off live

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Speaker 1: that's what we're looking at this morning again. Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm just beside myself joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of California at doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Stephen Lampley, detective Stephen Lampley dot com,

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Speaker 1: high profile defense lawyer Troy Slaton out of California, Crack

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Speaker 1: reporter from WSPA TV Stephanie Borneman, and two special guests.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to you, Stephanie Boorman. I'm beside myself. I'm

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Speaker 1: hear about the area itself first and then about the ravine.

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Speaker 1: The area was really remote. I mean it was off

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Speaker 1: A lot of our roads were red dirt. We didn't

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Speaker 1: now to WSPA TV's reporter Stephanie Boorman, who has traveled

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Speaker 1: to you, Stephanie Boorman, about who would throw a baby

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Speaker 1: down or a vein. Now you're telling me that this

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, in Henderson County, as I understand, Is that correct? Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Henderson County, North Carolina. Now, for those that are not

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Speaker 1: people say Where is your dad from? I say, well,

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Speaker 1: to me is somebody throws the baby down the ravine,

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Speaker 1: arsenic and cyanide and Nancy, this is a seven week

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Speaker 1: seventy five feet deep. Can you imagine all the brush,

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Speaker 1: My twins, Stephanie Boorman, were born extremely premature, and it

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Speaker 1: What is it? What is it doing? Now? Is it? Call? Oh?

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Speaker 1: everything the caller is saying. It's actually a woman calling

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Speaker 1: And Scott Fowler. Tell me what happened that morning? Well,

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Speaker 1: which later let me break in one moment, Stephanie Borneman, WSPA,

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Speaker 1: you find Krista Noel Madden, the mother of the baby

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Speaker 1: Shelley Madden, both of them reported kidnapped. Now, the baby's

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Speaker 1: all banged up from being thrown down her ravene. But

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Speaker 1: what shape is the mother in? Is she bleeding as

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Speaker 1: she bruised or closed torn and ripped as she been

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Speaker 1: bound and gagged and ligature strangled? I mean, tell me

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Speaker 1: about her condition when cops when the sharf finds her,

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Speaker 1: her hair is in place. I mean, she looks fine,

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Speaker 1: like she doesn't look like someone who you know, fought

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Speaker 1: alleged kidnappers to escape. Well, what is her story, Stephanie Boorman?

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Speaker 1: Who took her baby and her So what she tells

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Speaker 1: police is that a man and a woman kidnapped them,

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Speaker 1: put them in the back and the trunk of their

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Speaker 1: car and just took them around. And then she was

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Speaker 1: able to escape from these people without her seven week

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Speaker 1: old infant. And according to her, when she's telling this

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Speaker 1: the police. They are still holding her seven week old infant. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me understand this just a moment, I think we

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Speaker 1: better go to a defense attorney, right quick. Royce Lytton,

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Speaker 1: renowned California defense attorney. So this woman, Kristin Noel Madden,

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Speaker 1: the mother, describes a suspect as a redheaded man a

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Speaker 1: woman with black hair, both with a thin build, and

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Speaker 1: both conveniently wearing ski masks. She tells according to Stephanie

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Speaker 1: Boorman at w SPA, she tells police that she managed

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Speaker 1: to escape, but the kidnappers drove off with her daughter,

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Speaker 1: and she even describes the vehicle a twenty fourteen Mazda

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Speaker 1: c X five. Well, she certainly has her wits about her,

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Speaker 1: doesn't she choice late? Well, if that story is true,

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Speaker 1: thank goodness that she was able to escape those capitals.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how you do Nancy voice

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Speaker 1: late and how you can say something like that with

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Speaker 1: a straight face. I mean, Bethanie Marshall, please, I know

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Speaker 1: you're not a lawyer, but this story stinks to high heaven.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't have a scratch on her her hair's in

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Speaker 1: place other than a big puss on her mouth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she looks absolutely finew did she get out of the car?

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Speaker 1: What jump out while it was still going? Wouldn't she

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Speaker 1: have at least gotten one scratch? Nancy, do you know

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Speaker 1: of one mother who would leave a seven seven week

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Speaker 1: old infant behind? No mother do that. They would go

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Speaker 1: down fighting. And I want to put this in context.

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Speaker 1: She's thirty five years old, she has a three year old,

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Speaker 1: so this is a highly competent woman. She is married

468
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Speaker 1: to a cardiologist. This is an upstanding woman in the community.

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Speaker 1: This is a person who's fully capable of protecting a

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Speaker 1: seven week old infant. So when you tell me the

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Speaker 1: stinks to high heaven, if I heard the story in

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Speaker 1: my office, I would say, wait a minute, something's going

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Speaker 1: on here. And what I would begin to assess is

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Speaker 1: is this a mother who has not bonded with her baby.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, it happens the mothers are not bonded, bonded, shmonded.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, Bethany, you're taking me down a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who she's bonded with. I want to

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Speaker 1: find out how that baby got it the foot of

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Speaker 1: the ravine. Stephanie Boorman, I figured from researching her that

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Speaker 1: she's the same person Kristin Noel Madden that I've found

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Speaker 1: who works is a registered nurse anesthetist. Now are you

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Speaker 1: telling me as her husband a doctor Stephanie. From my understanding, yes,

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Speaker 1: and she has a great job, just had her baby recently.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she found like an outstanding mother

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Speaker 1: on paper and they've been married nearly ten years. They

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Speaker 1: have the other daughter that Bethidy Marshall told us about,

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Speaker 1: who will soon be turning four years old. What I mean,

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Cheryl and Scott Fowler.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl and Scott Fowler, when you were outside, did you

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Speaker 1: see any sign of a redheaded man and a woman

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Speaker 1: with black hair wearing ski masks? Or two thy fourteen

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Speaker 1: was to c X five. No, But my daughters, this

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Speaker 1: say is a real a great car turn around a

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Speaker 1: yard before it happened. And my husband has red hair,

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Speaker 1: and my husband has red hair, and I have brown hair.

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Speaker 1: So I guess you did it. Now, what kind of

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Speaker 1: car was it that you saw? Your daughter? Son? He

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00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: was just in a house and you look way down

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Speaker 1: in the are about three or four hundred feet and

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Speaker 1: you said, curved down there you saw great card, the

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Speaker 1: telling of great car leaving our yard and then down

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Speaker 1: down below there about three hundred more fees. The Ravine

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Speaker 1: crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we are back with a

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Speaker 1: case of a seven week old infant, a baby girl.

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Speaker 1: How many people in this country would pay thousands and

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to adopt a baby girl like that?

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Speaker 1: She could have been dropped off anywhere at a safe

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Speaker 1: haven such as a church, a fire department, a police station,

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Speaker 1: but no, somebody threw the baby down a seventy five

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Speaker 1: foot ravine. If had not been for Sheryl and Scott Fowler,

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Speaker 1: that baby would be dead today. To Stephanie Boorman with

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Speaker 1: w SPA TV. Stephanie, you were telling me earlier about

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Speaker 1: the cops the Sheriff's finding this mother, Kristin Noel Madden

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Speaker 1: at a local church about three and a half miles

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Speaker 1: away from where the Fowlers live, where the baby was

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Speaker 1: found down the ravine. You were mentioning there was an

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Speaker 1: abandoned car in the back of the church. Tell me

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Speaker 1: about that. So after the deputies arrived at this church,

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Speaker 1: they find Christa, take her back to the Sheriff's office

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Speaker 1: to get her checked out and they discover a car

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Speaker 1: abandoned on the scrabble road behind the church. It's later

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Speaker 1: determined that the car is Christa's car, the dark colored Mazda.

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Speaker 1: According to Christa's story, that was the car that they

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Speaker 1: were put in by the alleged kidnappers. And so at

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Speaker 1: that point they obviously don't touch the car. They deploy

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Speaker 1: a bunch of canines to this area behind this church,

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Speaker 1: a forty yard perimeter, and they try to see if

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Speaker 1: there's been other sense of other people in the area. Stephanie,

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Speaker 1: let me understand what you just told me. Hold on,

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Speaker 1: you're telling me she was kidnapped in her own car. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well that car should have been loaded with prints of

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Speaker 1: the kidnappers. Then you're telling me that tracker dogs sent dogs,

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Speaker 1: not cadaver dogs, came and did the chair set up

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Speaker 1: a forty yard perimeter and that's quite a distance, and

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Speaker 1: they searched for other scents and the dogs did not

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Speaker 1: pick anything else up beside Crysta mat Incent. Yeah. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: Royce Layton, your job's getting a lot harder because here

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Speaker 1: she is in the getaway car and there's no sigh,

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Speaker 1: no red hair, no black hair, no fingerprints, no scent,

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Speaker 1: and there she is with the car. And according to

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Speaker 1: Scott Cheryl Fowler, their daughters saw. Didn't you say a

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Speaker 1: gray car? Cheryl? You're the feeling of a gray carver

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Speaker 1: around the car of our drive one. Okay, joy Sletton,

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Speaker 1: you're the California defense attorney, and give it your best shot.

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Speaker 1: The absence of evidence does not prove a fact. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you know that very well. If these kidnappers had the

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Speaker 1: wherewithal to disguise their face, maybe they wore gloves, so

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Speaker 1: that would explain the absence of any fingerprints in the car.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Just an hour and a

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Speaker 1: half before the baby's mother, Krista Madden, was found by

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Speaker 1: deputies at this church, just three point five miles away,

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Speaker 1: after her phone was pinned to that location. Investigators say

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Speaker 1: Madden's car was abandoned behind the church at the end

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Speaker 1: of Rhodes Mountain Road. Investigators believe Madden threw her baby,

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Speaker 1: still sitting in her car seat, over the bank. When

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Speaker 1: I prove her she came out with a tree. Then

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00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: the carson was still from her. The dispatcher stayed on

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Speaker 1: the phone with the caller until deputies arrived. Advising the

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Speaker 1: female not to continue touching the car seat that her

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Speaker 1: husband dragged out of these woods while rescuing baby Shaley.

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Speaker 1: Investigators say Madden is married and her husband is baby

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Speaker 1: Shaley's father. He was interviewed, but detectives believe that Madden

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Speaker 1: acted alone. The sheriff does say that baby Shelley is

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Speaker 1: doing good tonight. You're hearing our friends Stephanie Boorman WESPATV

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Speaker 1: to Cheryl and Scott Fowler. Cheryl, isn't it true that

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Speaker 1: you've said coyotes run through the area every night? The

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Speaker 1: baby wouldn't have made it. She would over a couple

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Speaker 1: of hours. Was it already getting dark? Yeah, she was

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Speaker 1: seven thirty. It was starting getting a little bit dusk.

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Speaker 1: She wouldn't have mind it. There's too many cavities later,

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Speaker 1: plus copperhead. We've killed several copiads in that area, not

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Speaker 1: cotton myles with copperheads. What about it, Scott Fowler, tell

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Speaker 1: me about the animals that roam that area. You got

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Speaker 1: my wife was saying we could do here code. He's

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Speaker 1: traveling and we've I've tracked a few Byron area. They're

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Speaker 1: around Ashville and Henderson County here and copper head snakes

577
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Speaker 1: like it. But you know the fact of the matter

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Speaker 1: is that little girl fell again a rock, and that

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Speaker 1: rock could have killed her. That this lick of that

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Speaker 1: rock which she landed, and she had a pretty good

581
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Speaker 1: little bruise on her forehead and she's skin up pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: It's just amazing that she didn't get killed just as

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Speaker 1: soon as she landed again that rock. Think she's a

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Speaker 1: lucky little girl. Well, I think it's a miracle. I

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Speaker 1: really do. To have your head an infant like that,

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Speaker 1: just seven weeks old, not even two months, thrown down

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Speaker 1: a seventy five ft ravinia, hit your head on a rock,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would be remiss. I would be wrong

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Speaker 1: if I did not say flight out. An angel was

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Speaker 1: protecting her. This is a miracle, a miracle, and it

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Speaker 1: is doctor Bethany Marshall. I just don't know what to think.

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Speaker 1: Why would a mother do such a thing. It's hard

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Speaker 1: for us to imagine Nancy, but some mothers are not

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Speaker 1: attached to their babies. It can happen for many reasons.

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Speaker 1: The most common term we hear is postpartum depression, but

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Speaker 1: that does not cause the type of detachment that leads

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Speaker 1: to homicide. Usually you have a woman, a mother who

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Speaker 1: has some kind of a personality disorder that makes her selfish,

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Speaker 1: self centered, unwilling to take care of the baby. Oh,

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Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, you're not actually trying to say

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Speaker 1: she has his personality disorder. She's in an apparently happy

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Speaker 1: ten year marriage with a four year old little girl.

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Speaker 1: She's a nurse, anesthetist. That doesn't happen overnight. She's clearly,

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Speaker 1: in her right mind a personality disorder. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: have you got something in your DSM call pure evil,

606
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: because I think that's that's what the disorder is. Well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: what I was where I was going with this is

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Speaker 1: that it's a conflagration of factors. It's not just the

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Speaker 1: personality disorder. It's not just not being bonded with the TILD.

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Speaker 1: There could be postpartum psychosis, there could beat sociopathy. We

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Speaker 1: talk about that in men, but in women it shows

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Speaker 1: up in something called borderline personality disorder. She could have

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Speaker 1: had a history of schizoeffective disorder or bipolar and she

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Speaker 1: was well medicated. Didn't know any of that. You don't

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Speaker 1: know true look of that, You're just okay Bethany. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that, but we don't know anything that about Kristin

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Speaker 1: Noel Madden other than she had a family, a husband

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Speaker 1: and a job, a very impressive job. You know what.

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Speaker 1: I want to go out with our friends, Stephanie Boorman,

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Speaker 1: Scott Fowler and Cheryl Fowler. Stephanie, where is the baby now?

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Speaker 1: So the baby has been turned over to other family

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Speaker 1: members as far as we know. Scott Fowler and Cheryl Fowler.

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Speaker 1: Scott Fowler, what was you look back on this? What

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Well, Matthew, my thoughts are I'm just

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Speaker 1: lucky the lord foolish world need to be that day

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Speaker 1: and that little girls in good shape. And it's like

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Speaker 1: I said, if my wife had that little baby crying,

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Speaker 1: this could have been a different story, you know that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if when we would

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Speaker 1: have ever heard or seen that baby because in that area,

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Speaker 1: like I say, we may not have never known it

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Speaker 1: was down here. But it's just a good thing we

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Speaker 1: were there. Cheryl Fowler, when you're looking back on it,

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Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, just rist my heart out.

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Speaker 1: I have three children and I'd die right now for

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Speaker 1: kidnap's gonna have to kill me before it takes my baby.

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Speaker 1: But she's done. Admitted in Nashville Times last night that

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Speaker 1: she don't admitted that. And to me, they can come

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Speaker 1: with all these excuses they want. The true mother does

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Speaker 1: not take her child, put it down her vein. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel what the reason is. Give it to somebody.

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Speaker 1: I told the officers that night, give me the baby,

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Speaker 1: don't put in the system. I don't take the baby.

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Speaker 1: I raise it like the others for I raised. Don't

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Speaker 1: an excuse for it. You know what, Cheryl, I never

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Speaker 1: after my fiancee was murdered. I never thought I would

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Speaker 1: be a mother or a wife. And that has been

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing that has ever happened to me on

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Speaker 1: this earth, is to be a mother. And I agree

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Speaker 1: sick about it. But you know what, I'm so happy today.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy right now that this baby, a little

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Speaker 1: Shelley is alive thanks to what I believe was a

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Speaker 1: miracle of putting you, Cheryl and Scott right there at

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Speaker 1: that moment, at that spot. And that's just sol I

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Speaker 1: can say, is ptyell, Praise the Lord. Nancy Grace Crime

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Speaker 1: Story signing off, good bye friend,