WEBVTT - E. Virgil Neal: Hypnotist, Fraudster, Tycoon - Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We mentioned today's subject

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<v Speaker 1>in our recent episode on Emil Kua, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>time I said he was on my shortlist because he

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<v Speaker 1>was fascinating and who That's the truth. Evrgil Neil's life

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<v Speaker 1>was such a wild ride that it sounds fictional. I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to describe it to a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>last night while we were talking, and he was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>is this all the same guy? And I was like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>His career had this seemingly bright start as a writer

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<v Speaker 1>of accounting and banking textbooks that were very well regarded

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<v Speaker 1>and used for decades because of how good they were,

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<v Speaker 1>and then his life took some very wild turns into hypnotism,

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<v Speaker 1>patent medicine, and fraud as well as an odd success.

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<v Speaker 1>He is not a rags to riches story. He is

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<v Speaker 1>a swindler and flim flamman to riches story. Although he

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<v Speaker 1>was plagued with the accusations of all kinds of crimes

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<v Speaker 1>throughout his life, including collaborating with an enemy during wartime.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to tackle e. Virgil Neil today and

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<v Speaker 1>next episode because there's a lot to get through. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot. We'll start with how youing. Virgil Neil

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<v Speaker 1>was born in Georgetown, Missouri, to Armistead Arthur and Ellen Neil.

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<v Speaker 1>That was in September of eighteen sixty eight. His birthplace

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<v Speaker 1>is frequently listed as Sedalia, Missouri. Georgetown is a smaller

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<v Speaker 1>municipality that's just a few miles north of Sedalia. While

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<v Speaker 1>Neil would later in his life claim that he had

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<v Speaker 1>been born into a poor farming family, his father was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a school teacher. They did own farmland, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was not really the source of their income. Yeah, his

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<v Speaker 1>dad was a really well respected teacher. While Neil's earliest

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<v Speaker 1>years aren't particularly well documented, which isn't that odd for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody in his place in life, he did, we know,

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<v Speaker 1>enter a two year business school program at Central Business

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<v Speaker 1>College in Sidelia at the age of twenty. He went

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<v Speaker 1>this route instead of attending a traditional university. Even before

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<v Speaker 1>he graduated from the school, which happened in eighteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>he was already working there, teaching courses like penmanship and

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<v Speaker 1>mental arithmetic. Basically how to do sums and ledgers in

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<v Speaker 1>your head. Biographer Mary Schaeffer Conroy theorized in her biography

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<v Speaker 1>about Neil that this arrangement may have been a deal

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<v Speaker 1>that the school made with him to make paying for

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<v Speaker 1>his courses more viable. After he graduated, he continued to

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<v Speaker 1>work at the business school. Neil would later claim that

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<v Speaker 1>he devised an arithmetic program that was taught to students

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<v Speaker 1>so that they could quit we make calculations in their heads.

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<v Speaker 1>The school did taut a program like that in their

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<v Speaker 1>marketing materials over the years, but whether or not he

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<v Speaker 1>was the originator of it is not substantiated one way

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. From Sedalia, Neil moved on to Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 1>He claimed to have worked at the Pierce College of

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<v Speaker 1>Business in Pennsylvania Briefly. There's not substantiation for that either. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>he moved on to Rochester, New York, and he worked

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<v Speaker 1>at a textbook company there, and as part of his assignments,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote the book Modern Banking and Bank Accounting. His

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<v Speaker 1>company sold the rights to the book to the American

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<v Speaker 1>Book Company, and Neil is said to have made a

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<v Speaker 1>significant amount of money in that deal. American Book Company

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<v Speaker 1>published the material as two separate books, Modern Illustrative Banking

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<v Speaker 1>and Modern Illustrative Bookkeeping. He earned royalties on those two

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<v Speaker 1>titles for the rest of his life. The books are

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<v Speaker 1>really quite practical. They represent a shift in the way

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<v Speaker 1>that such concepts were taught to offer students a model

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<v Speaker 1>of real business practices to work through so that they

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<v Speaker 1>could understand the real world applications of their business education.

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<v Speaker 1>Modern Illustrative Banking walks readers through the process of running

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<v Speaker 1>a bank. Per its opening pages, the book quote is

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<v Speaker 1>designed to reproduce as nearly as possible the practical workings

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<v Speaker 1>of a national bank. This came with sample documents and

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<v Speaker 1>transactions quote to cover, in abbreviated form two days business

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<v Speaker 1>of the First National Bank, Rochester, New York. During the

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<v Speaker 1>first day, all of the business forms of the bank

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<v Speaker 1>are handled by the student, but during the second day

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<v Speaker 1>the business forms are dispensed with, and only the entries

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<v Speaker 1>to the various transactions are recorded. Historical data for them

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<v Speaker 1>being furnished in the text just for the purposes of

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<v Speaker 1>explaining my understanding. This isn't a course that you would

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<v Speaker 1>take in two days. It just is broken out as

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<v Speaker 1>though it is covering two days worth of business FYI.

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<v Speaker 1>It breaks down what duties are done by various positions

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<v Speaker 1>at the bank, and then at the end of these

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<v Speaker 1>two days worth of sample business quote, dividends are declared,

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<v Speaker 1>statements made, and the books closed. Modern Illustrative Bookkeeping opens

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<v Speaker 1>with the promise that it offers readers a new practical

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<v Speaker 1>approach to the topic instead of the ways the bookkeeping

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<v Speaker 1>has been taught up to that point. Quote. This book

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<v Speaker 1>is designed to teach bookkeeping as it is practiced by

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<v Speaker 1>the best business houses. We have no apology to offer

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<v Speaker 1>for the innovations in methods or the deviation from the

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<v Speaker 1>school forms of balance sheets, statements, loss and gain accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. We believe the time has arrived when all

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<v Speaker 1>progressive teachers will welcome practical business methods, even though they

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<v Speaker 1>supplant long cherished school forms and practices. The book is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty solid in its information. It basically lays out a

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<v Speaker 1>two book system, one the journal day book to record

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<v Speaker 1>transactions as they take place, and then the other the

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<v Speaker 1>ledger into which those transactions are recorded as sorted into

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<v Speaker 1>the accounts. The whole thing emphasizes checking and rechecking your

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<v Speaker 1>arithmetic to make sure your books are accurate. Next, after

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<v Speaker 1>his success in these books, Neil decided that he would

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<v Speaker 1>actually like to have his own publishing house, and he

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<v Speaker 1>set one up in Rochester, New York. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>case where he didn't look for writers to create new works,

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<v Speaker 1>nor did he write anything himself during this time, but

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<v Speaker 1>he sure did publish a lot. He looked for material

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<v Speaker 1>that was out of copyright, and particularly poetry, and he

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<v Speaker 1>just republished that with no author to pay. His publishing company,

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<v Speaker 1>which was pretty much just him, kept all of the

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<v Speaker 1>money from sales. On June fifteenth, eighteen ninety three, as

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<v Speaker 1>publishing success was making him a nice amount of money,

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<v Speaker 1>Neil married a young woman named Molly Hurd. He was

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<v Speaker 1>also developing a growing interest in hypnotism during this time,

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<v Speaker 1>and he started studying it in earnest by the mid

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen nineties. Some accounts say that he became interested in

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<v Speaker 1>this after seeing a stage hypnotist. That's not really something

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<v Speaker 1>that can be verified, but there really would have been

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of opportunities for him to have been exposed to

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<v Speaker 1>this concept at the end of the nineteenth century in

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<v Speaker 1>the US. We've talked about this recently on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a period when mysticism of any kind was

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<v Speaker 1>becoming very popular, and it turned out that after learning

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<v Speaker 1>the tricks of the trade, he was pretty good at

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<v Speaker 1>hypnotizing people. Was also during this time that a name

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned in our Emil Kua episode emerged, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was Exlamotte Sage. Sage was a stage name that Neil

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<v Speaker 1>assumed to advertise himself as an expert hypnotist toward the

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<v Speaker 1>United States on bookings as Xenophon Lamont Sage, assisted by

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<v Speaker 1>Olga Helen Sage, who was of course his wife Molly.

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<v Speaker 1>The two of them were frequently booked in various vaudeville theaters,

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<v Speaker 1>and it turned out that Exlamant Sage was pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>at bringing in the ticket sales. Hypnotism paid better than

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<v Speaker 1>any position that business school had ever prepared Neil for,

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing that the demand for hypnotism material was high,

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<v Speaker 1>Neil leaned back into his publishing experience and wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>correspondence course under that name called The Philosophy of Personal Influence.

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<v Speaker 1>He also wrote a book called Hypnotism As It Is

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<v Speaker 1>a Book for Everybody, which we talked about quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit in the Koua episode. These works were published at

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<v Speaker 1>Neil's latest company, he started so many. The New York

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<v Speaker 1>Institute of Science and the works of Exlamant Sage were

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<v Speaker 1>wildly popular. An account of Neil's life that was written

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen thirties estimated that the New York Institute

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<v Speaker 1>of Science made one point five million dollars from sales

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<v Speaker 1>of books and hypnotism courses, all of which were shipped

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<v Speaker 1>directly to customers' homes. That business model of direct sales

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<v Speaker 1>eventually got the company and Neil into a lot of trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>The US Postal Service went after them for mail fraud because,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, he was teaching palmistry, and the company

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<v Speaker 1>had to shudder. Coming up, we'll talk about a strange

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<v Speaker 1>business arrangement that E. Virgil Neil established in the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundreds, But first will pause or a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting in nineteen oh three, the E. Virgil Neil and

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<v Speaker 1>Company banking firm and the Columbia Scientific Academy, where Neil

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<v Speaker 1>was a board member, kind of up the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're both operating out of the same offices at nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one Broadway that was in the area west of

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<v Speaker 1>Central Park where the Lincoln Center for Performing Arts now sits.

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<v Speaker 1>And that combination of businesses seemed like an odd arrangement

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<v Speaker 1>to members of the press. The New York Sun on

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<v Speaker 1>March third, nineteen o three ran a piece titled Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a hypnotic Bank, psychotelepathy, and a loan shop in one office.

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<v Speaker 1>That article describes how a British journalist had been investigating

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<v Speaker 1>the Columbia Scientific Academy and had come away declaring it

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<v Speaker 1>to be part of quote, the American Magnetic and Psychic

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<v Speaker 1>Force swindle. When this journalist had tried to cancel an

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<v Speaker 1>order from the Academy and have his name removed from

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<v Speaker 1>all future distribution lists, he got a letter signed by R. F.

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<v Speaker 1>Robertson psych DCD, which read, in part quote, when I

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<v Speaker 1>got your letter, I was attracted by your handwriting, like

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<v Speaker 1>the educated eye of an artist who sees in a

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<v Speaker 1>rough piece of marble an angel. My I caught in

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<v Speaker 1>your handwriting at a glance, a whole life pictured vividly

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<v Speaker 1>before me. There was so much history in your handwriting,

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<v Speaker 1>so much undeveloped power and latent energy and talent, that

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<v Speaker 1>I could not destroy the letter without writing and extending

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<v Speaker 1>my previous offer. The letter continues to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>journalist's handwriting, calling it quote one of the strongest I

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<v Speaker 1>have ever seen, and accusing the journalist of having quote

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<v Speaker 1>neglected the development of those God given faculties. However, that

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<v Speaker 1>lied dormant in every individual until brought to light and cultivated.

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<v Speaker 1>The letter even claims that a special meeting of the

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<v Speaker 1>board of the Columbia Scientific Academy was called to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>this promising handwriting and make its writer a special offer

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<v Speaker 1>on one of their courses. So when a reporter from

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Sun read about all of this in

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<v Speaker 1>the British periodical Truth, he decided to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>academy offices and see exactly what was going on. When

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<v Speaker 1>he got there, he asked for mister Robertson and was

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<v Speaker 1>presented with someone by that name, And when he started

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<v Speaker 1>asking questions about that letter that had been republished in Truth,

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<v Speaker 1>he suddenly got passed off to Evirgil Neil, and Neil

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<v Speaker 1>was surprisingly frank in some of his answers to the

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<v Speaker 1>questions this journalist posed, which he later almost certainly probably

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<v Speaker 1>wished he had not been. He was asked about the

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<v Speaker 1>claim that the board of directors had met to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>this amazing handwriting on a canceled order. Neil told the

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<v Speaker 1>reporter that was actually, quote, a form of advertising, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was questioned about who Robertson was and what

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<v Speaker 1>the credential site dc D ment, he was told that

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<v Speaker 1>Robertson was a banker who got a Doctor of Psychology

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<v Speaker 1>from Iowa College, which accounted for the first D, and

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<v Speaker 1>that the CD that followed stood for character delineator, a

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<v Speaker 1>degree that Neil claimed Robertson got from the American College

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<v Speaker 1>of Sciences in Philadelphia. Neil did not elaborate on what

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<v Speaker 1>that degree would actually involve. My research of that phrase

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<v Speaker 1>only connects it to data set sequences and computer science

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<v Speaker 1>should not have existed in nineteen oh three, so it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to have been, you know, kind of one of

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<v Speaker 1>those it will sound good and no one will know

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<v Speaker 1>how to even question me about it kind of phrases.

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<v Speaker 1>The Columbia Scientific Academy, which former banker Robertson was president of,

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<v Speaker 1>offered correspondence courses in the art of what it called

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<v Speaker 1>chi magie or chi magi I don't know, which encompassed

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<v Speaker 1>a variety of skills, including character reading. When the reporter

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<v Speaker 1>asked about the bank located at the same age. Neil's

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<v Speaker 1>initial response was, quote, how did you know about the bank?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe not media savvy yet at that stage of his cow.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he told the reporter that it was a private bank,

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<v Speaker 1>not a public bank, and that as such it did

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<v Speaker 1>not have to adhere to national laws, only to state laws,

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<v Speaker 1>and that those were quote a little more lax. He

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<v Speaker 1>also explained that because the bank's customers were mostly people

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<v Speaker 1>and institutions who wanted short term loans, that only made

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<v Speaker 1>about five thousand dollars a year. The masterful part of

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<v Speaker 1>the way this article was written is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the reporter kind of connects the dots between these two

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly oddly paired businesses operating out of the same offices

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<v Speaker 1>without ever like saying, hey, this is obviously wacky and fraudulent.

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<v Speaker 1>It states at one point, quote to show how nicely

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<v Speaker 1>the chi magic end of the Columbia Scientific Academy dovetails

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<v Speaker 1>with the banking end, and how harmoniously finance and the

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<v Speaker 1>occult might be blended, the literature of the institution has

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<v Speaker 1>just let himself loose. In one of the pamphlets, here's

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<v Speaker 1>what it says. If you have not the money it

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<v Speaker 1>will pay you to borrow the money if you invest

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<v Speaker 1>in our course of instruction and master our course and

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<v Speaker 1>follow its teachings. It is probably the last dollar you

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<v Speaker 1>will ever find it necessary to borrow as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you live. So the article doesn't state whether there is

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of direction or suggestion for the reader of

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<v Speaker 1>such advertisement to borrow from the E. Virgil Neil and

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<v Speaker 1>Company Bank. But even if it didn't, a bank that

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<v Speaker 1>specialized in short term loans also housing a business with

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<v Speaker 1>dubious claims that encourages people to take out such loans

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dicey at best. But though the copy definitely leads

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<v Speaker 1>the reader to consider that problem. As I said before,

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<v Speaker 1>the write up in the Sun is very careful not

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<v Speaker 1>to explicitly state that these two businesses are connected. The

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<v Speaker 1>next day, The New York Sun ran an article with

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<v Speaker 1>the headline Worried about Neil and Company depositors You see

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<v Speaker 1>don't like hypnotism in banking. And in this article, the

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<v Speaker 1>paper shared a phone call that Neil had made to

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<v Speaker 1>the paper in which he blamed the paper for causing

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<v Speaker 1>him problems. He stated on the phone quote that article

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<v Speaker 1>printed in This Morning Sun about the bank has caused

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<v Speaker 1>the bank some annoyance. Some of our depositors have been

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<v Speaker 1>around this morning to find out what it all meant.

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<v Speaker 1>They were uneasy, you see, about the money they had

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<v Speaker 1>on deposit with us, and were inclined at first to

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<v Speaker 1>withdraw their accounts. I told them it was all a

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<v Speaker 1>mistake about the bank, and that I'd like to have

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun do something about it. When contacted for more

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<v Speaker 1>information on what he wanted the paper to do, Neil

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<v Speaker 1>said that quote, it was wrong to mix up the

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<v Speaker 1>bank with the academy. There's no connection between the two.

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<v Speaker 1>He was adamant that Robertson wasn't involved in the bank

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<v Speaker 1>at all, and that the academy didn't teach hypnotism, but

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<v Speaker 1>only included literature about hypnotism as an extra with its

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<v Speaker 1>regular courses. He went on to say that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a report made by commercial credit reporting agency RG Dunn

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<v Speaker 1>in Company that indicated that the banking concern was sound

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<v Speaker 1>and above board. When The Sun contacted the State Superintendent

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<v Speaker 1>of Banks, Frederick D. Kilburn, he said that the State

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<v Speaker 1>Bank Department had quote no jurisdiction over such concerns as

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<v Speaker 1>the banking house of E. Virgil Neil and Company, so

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<v Speaker 1>far as an illegal supervision of such concerns goes, there

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<v Speaker 1>is none. They can run their business like a grocery store.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though Neil admitted to the reporter that the

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<v Speaker 1>company lied to people as a form of bad advertising,

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<v Speaker 1>and even though there was an obvious shady connection between

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<v Speaker 1>these two business entities, there were just never any real

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<v Speaker 1>repercussions for this, aside from some of the banks customers

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<v Speaker 1>getting worried and maybe closing their accounts. Columbia Scientific Academy

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<v Speaker 1>and many other shady businesses continued for Neil, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about that after we hear from the sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>To keep stuff you missed in history class going, following

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper mentions of Neil and the Columbia Scientific Academy in

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<v Speaker 1>the first years of the twentieth century offers a wild

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<v Speaker 1>breadcrumb trail of shady dealings. Just four days after Neil's

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<v Speaker 1>interaction with The Sun, advertisements for the Columbia Scientific Academy

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to explode in number in papers across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>And the copy is so obviously dis one that appeared

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<v Speaker 1>in the San Francisco Examiner is designed to look like

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<v Speaker 1>a regular article, and its titled personal magnetism. It's subheaders

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<v Speaker 1>taut how this is something that prominent men used to

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<v Speaker 1>gain influence, and how a reporter stumbled across secret methods

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<v Speaker 1>to quote, charm and fascinate the human mind. And it

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<v Speaker 1>also notes that this information came from high priests of

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<v Speaker 1>the occult who had kept the secrets for years. That ad,

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<v Speaker 1>which again was disguised as an article, says that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the leading colleges of the city of New

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<v Speaker 1>York had spent five thousand dollars having ten thousand copies

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<v Speaker 1>of a book titled The Secret of Power, printed in

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<v Speaker 1>accordance with the author's wishes to be given away for free.

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<v Speaker 1>If you sent your name an address to the Columbia

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<v Speaker 1>Scientific Academy. The write up said, you could get your

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<v Speaker 1>free copy in the mail, and in it you could

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<v Speaker 1>quote develop a wonderfully magnetic person personality and learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to read the character's secrets and loves of others in

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<v Speaker 1>a few days study. That study would be done at home,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you could use your new knowledge to get quote,

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<v Speaker 1>lucrative employment or an advance on your salary, or you

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<v Speaker 1>could just gain friendship and influence, all without anybody being

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<v Speaker 1>any The wiser about you being in control of their behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>There are several testimonials from alleged satisfied customers included in

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<v Speaker 1>this ad. They included all the hallmarks of like modern

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<v Speaker 1>infomercial sales. One from a man named Fred Perkins reads quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I have been in great demand since I read the

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<v Speaker 1>work of the Columbia Scientific Academy. People are amazed and

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<v Speaker 1>mystified at the things I do. I believe I could

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<v Speaker 1>make twenty five dollars per day reading character alone if

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<v Speaker 1>I were to charge for my services. If anyone would

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<v Speaker 1>have told me I would receive so much wonderful information,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have thought him crazy. The ad then closes

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<v Speaker 1>by asking that only people who are really interested in

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<v Speaker 1>this information request a copy, since there is a limited

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<v Speaker 1>supply of them. This free giveaway, of course, was a

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<v Speaker 1>way for the Academy to build up its mailing list

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<v Speaker 1>and then start sending these interested people literature about their

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<v Speaker 1>courses to lure them into spending their money, just the

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<v Speaker 1>way that British journalist was told his handwriting was fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>and evidence to person with incredible untapped power. We can

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<v Speaker 1>help you unleash that power if you just send us

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<v Speaker 1>some cash. There is another interesting exchange in that initial

0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.560
<v Speaker 1>write up in The Sun from March fourth. The report

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<v Speaker 1>that Neil produced to show that the banking firm was

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<v Speaker 1>above board also mentioned his involvement in another business, National

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<v Speaker 1>Protective Association of the United States. When questioned about that one,

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<v Speaker 1>Neil said that it was an insurance company and that

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<v Speaker 1>he was no longer connected with it. It was still

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<v Speaker 1>operating at the time the reporter spoke with E. Virgil Neil,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was headquartered in the very same building as

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<v Speaker 1>the banking house of E. Virgil Neil and Company and

0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 1>the Columbia Scientific Academy. Though Neil acted nonchalant in this

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 1>exchange between him and the reporter and kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>he had forgotten that company was under the same roof.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a weird detail. This isn't necessarily like a breadcrumb

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<v Speaker 1>to connect the dots, but it offers up another piece

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<v Speaker 1>of evidence that he seemed to be constantly on the

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<v Speaker 1>move from career to career, starting up sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>shell game of businesses, always looking for the next way

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<v Speaker 1>to make a buck, often by trading on the hopes

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<v Speaker 1>of naivete or of his potential customers. He had been

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<v Speaker 1>dodging negative attention just enough to stay out of trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>But his next venture found itself in the spotlight, and

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<v Speaker 1>a huge scandal broke that implicated a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them very well respected. While Neil faced a

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<v Speaker 1>number of legal problems all through his life because of

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:12.640
<v Speaker 1>his business dealings, he was also sued for more personal reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen oh four, he was sued by a man

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<v Speaker 1>named John Showerman for using his influence to cause Missus

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<v Speaker 1>Showerman to abandon her husband. It's unclear how or if

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<v Speaker 1>that legal action was resolved, but it is evidence that E.

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<v Speaker 1>Virgil Neil was kind of perpetually in hot water. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and reading sort of the longish biography that exists about him,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even include all the ones there's like. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he got sued for swindling a widow out

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<v Speaker 1>of her money, like on a kind of more one

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<v Speaker 1>to one swindle basis, rather than setting up a whole company.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were a lot of instances like that. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>also a bit of a womanizer, so that caused him

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<v Speaker 1>some problems. But undaunted by all of the legal attention

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<v Speaker 1>he frequently got, Neil started other questionable businesses, but one,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Institute of Physicians and Surgeons, was one

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<v Speaker 1>that he eventually tried to distance himself from when it

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<v Speaker 1>got in trouble with authorities. The man who was really

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<v Speaker 1>the driver of that business was Neil's colleague, Thomas F. Adkin.

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<v Speaker 1>They had worked on a lot of these kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre business schemes together. The main product of this entity

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<v Speaker 1>that it sold was something called videopathy. Ads for viteopathy

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<v Speaker 1>are wild, and they were laid out again to look

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<v Speaker 1>like articles with titles like a Message to the Sick.

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<v Speaker 1>The claim was that Adkin could cure people of all

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<v Speaker 1>manner of infirmities and even bring them back from the

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<v Speaker 1>brink of death. It was free to get a consultation

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<v Speaker 1>and then, according to their ads quote, charges for treatment

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<v Speaker 1>are moderate. There was even a mail order option if

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't get to Adkin in person. There were some

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<v Speaker 1>basic pieces of medical advice involved in the information they

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:10.959
<v Speaker 1>would give out. Some medications were issued, There were dietary

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:15.119
<v Speaker 1>guidelines that they gave to people to follow, but that

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<v Speaker 1>all seems pretty benign. There were, however, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>really dubious elements to videopathy. One write up claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>the in home treatment involved taking some sort of tonic

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<v Speaker 1>and then staring into the eyes of a photograph of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the company's doctors who was scheduled to concentrate

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<v Speaker 1>on you at the exact same time. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>letter that the company sent out to patients that offers

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<v Speaker 1>instructions and what sounds a lot like auto suggestion, which

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about in the KOA episode. It told patients

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.399
<v Speaker 1>to think very hard about getting well. It diverbally speak

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 1>phrases that supported that idea. When Adkins and Neil were

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<v Speaker 1>charged with fraud, Neil's counsel made clear during the hearing

0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 1>that videopathy was entirely the work of Adkin, not him.

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<v Speaker 1>A fraud order shut down the New York Institute of

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<v Speaker 1>Physicians and Surgeons on August second, nineteen oh five, and E.

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<v Speaker 1>Virgil Neil kind of emerged relatively unscathed. That next venture

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>was a company called Force of Life Chemical Company, although

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it was often shortened to just Force of Life Company.

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<v Speaker 1>In January nineteen oh six, headlines started hitting the papers

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<v Speaker 1>like claimed to raise the dead and Roosevelt causes the

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<v Speaker 1>rests in big medical scandal and gigantic swindle probably bared.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these were about the Force of Life Company.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what happened. An advertisement for Force of Life

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<v Speaker 1>crossed the desk of President Theodore Roosevelt. It read, in

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<v Speaker 1>part quote, in the glare of a midnight light bending

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<v Speaker 1>over his crucible and retorts, Doctor William Wallace Hadley cried, triumphantly,

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<v Speaker 1>I have it he had succeeded in making a rare

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<v Speaker 1>chemical combination of concentrated extracts, which might truly be called

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>liquid life. There it was, glimmering in its sheen of ruby, read,

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>while the retort itself seemed to quiver and vibrate, as

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<v Speaker 1>if in the effort of restraining the tremendous dynamic force

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>it held. There was less than the force of life,

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<v Speaker 1>the power that makes men live and think. Without this

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>subtle essence in your system, death would occur before you

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<v Speaker 1>could read three of these lines. With it in sufficient quantity,

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<v Speaker 1>you can combat any disease. To discover and make the

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<v Speaker 1>vital principle of life has been the dream of the

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<v Speaker 1>chemist and the goal of the medical professor of all ages.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to that ad, a letter was also mailed

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<v Speaker 1>out by the company to prospective customers, presumably from a

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>mailing list gathered up in one of their many other

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>little industries, and it read quote doctor Hadley's modest art

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 1>by his mysterious control over disease and death. Doctor Wallace Hadley,

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<v Speaker 1>the eminent thomaturgic panopathist of this city, has made the

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<v Speaker 1>human heart beat again in the body of a woman

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>rescued from the grave. And as a result of his

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>successful experiment, he makes the startling statement that no disease

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>should cause death. He claims to have discovered the vital

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 1>principle of life itself, the dynamic force that creates and

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>maintains existence. He seems to have absolute control over human

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>life and the diseases that attack it. These materials, which

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<v Speaker 1>intimated that death could be thwarted by less than, offered

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>to shipboarders anywhere in the US. And it had been

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<v Speaker 1>sent to the President after it had been received by

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>a woman from Springfield, Missouri, and President Roosevelt forwarded it

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<v Speaker 1>to the Postmaster General, George Bruce Cordial, you who open

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<v Speaker 1>an investigation. By the way, less than might sound familiar

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<v Speaker 1>because it's used in all kinds of products. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an umbrella term under which a variety of fatty

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 1>substances from both animal and plant sources are grouped. The

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>defining characteristic of less than is that it attracts both

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<v Speaker 1>bats and water, so it's really effective. It's smoothing out

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<v Speaker 1>the texture of foods and acting as an emulsifier. Less

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<v Speaker 1>Than is also taken as a supplement. It's used in

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<v Speaker 1>cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. It is definitely not the Elixir of Life.

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<v Speaker 1>Its discoverer, though, is on Holly's episode shortlist. Sure is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's another French scientist trying to space them out. I swear.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators quickly uncovered more problematic evidence. In this case, they

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<v Speaker 1>set up a sting of sorts by writing to Force

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<v Speaker 1>of Life posing as patients. One such fake patient was

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<v Speaker 1>named Lucille Hoffmann, and she wrote to the company that

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<v Speaker 1>she was twenty two and she wrote this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>plaintive letter where she shared very personal information about herself

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<v Speaker 1>and her health struggles. And at first she got pretty

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<v Speaker 1>standard replies about various things she could do to improve

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<v Speaker 1>her health. But when she wrote back again she is

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<v Speaker 1>not a real person. When she wrote back that she

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<v Speaker 1>was not getting any better, she was asked to submit

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<v Speaker 1>a blood sample and The investigator that was working this

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<v Speaker 1>case sent in a bottle of blood from a horse,

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<v Speaker 1>and he received a reply that Lucille was sadly dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with an array of medical ailments, some quite serious. This

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<v Speaker 1>investigator actually said jokingly in his testimony about all of

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<v Speaker 1>this that the prognosis was so bad that he felt

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for the horse. There was also what was alleged

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<v Speaker 1>to be a personal message from doctor Wallace Hadley to

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<v Speaker 1>this woman that read quote, I cure disease. I combat

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<v Speaker 1>any and all maladies, make hopeless invalids well, I unclasp

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<v Speaker 1>the remorseless fingers of death. I stop the rush with

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<v Speaker 1>which Father time hurries you to the grave. Another faux

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<v Speaker 1>patient created by postal investigators that kind of went through

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<v Speaker 1>this same process got a slightly different but similar note

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<v Speaker 1>which invoked the Bible by quoting Matthew eleven twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>It read, do not be skeptical, have confidence in me.

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<v Speaker 1>Be sure as I am that I can cure disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Come ye who are heavy laden, and I will give

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<v Speaker 1>you rest. Reverently I repeat the words, and sacredly will

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<v Speaker 1>I fulfill the trust put in me by the great Healer.

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<v Speaker 1>I can say no more that seems like a fun

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<v Speaker 1>place to stop for the day, although we will be

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<v Speaker 1>saying a whole lot more about this case and E.

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<v Speaker 1>Virgil Neil next time. Oh, E Virgil Neil, you're cracking

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<v Speaker 1>me up. Baby. I honestly loved doing this research, but

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<v Speaker 1>right now I'm gonna love listener mail, kay, because it

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<v Speaker 1>involves nothing flim flammy, one of my favorite things, which

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<v Speaker 1>is sewing, and a particularly delightful project. This is from

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<v Speaker 1>our listener Katie, who we read an email from not

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<v Speaker 1>that long ago, but it's an update on what's been

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<v Speaker 1>going on with her project. She had sent in an

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<v Speaker 1>email that included some Han and Mansion embroidery that I

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<v Speaker 1>was very excited about. Katie writes, High, Holly and Tracy,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all were pretty intrigued with my Han and Mansion embroidery

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months ago. It isn't abandoned, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is the sewing that was occupying me recently. My ten

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<v Speaker 1>year old daughter, whose name I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 1>just because she's very young, is portraying Abigail Adams for

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<v Speaker 1>Living History at our small classical school tonight. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>ensemble having made a Muslim first easily took me upwards

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<v Speaker 1>of forty hours. She picked the fabric, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is gorgeous. Fifth grader's portray American history figures up to

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<v Speaker 1>roughly eighteen twenty, and six graders portray anyone. From then on,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been visiting the classes before they choose their subjects

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<v Speaker 1>with lists of less obvious figures as suggestions. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>many of the people on my suggestion list are people

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard about on your show. Among others, tonight

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<v Speaker 1>we have fifth graders as Patrick, Henry, Sybil Luddington to Squantum,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone's own ancestors named Nancy Hart. Six grade choices

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<v Speaker 1>among others are Frederick Douglass, Ted Williams, Sonora Webster Carver,

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<v Speaker 1>and Henry Ford. Past years have seen Maria Talchief, Milton Hershey,

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<v Speaker 1>Juliet Child, John Marr, and Alvin York. Anyway, thanks again,

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<v Speaker 1>and hope you'd like to see the sewing. This dress

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<v Speaker 1>turned out so pretty and so sweet, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>love it. I am so delighted and I can't even imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>like how joyous it must be. Listen, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, before I was good enough to sew my

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<v Speaker 1>own clothes, it was always really delightful when I got

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<v Speaker 1>to pick the fabric for something. So it shows on

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<v Speaker 1>your beautiful daughter's face how much she loves that fabric.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that fabric. She looks phenomenal. So congratulations. I

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<v Speaker 1>love this. I love this so much of everything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me all the cute historical costumes on kids. Who

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to learn about history by dressing up like it?

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<v Speaker 1>That was the best part. I just had such a

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<v Speaker 1>weird flashback to an awkward moment in seventh grade that

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<v Speaker 1>did not come up in my head until just this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about it on behind the scenes anyway. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for writing and sharing that beautiful picture with us,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're adorable letter, and I just love how you're

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<v Speaker 1>helping people learn about history this way. I'm now thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about the thing and I can't stop laughing. If you

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