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Speaker 1: a fabulous Monday edition of Talking Cowboys from the SWBC
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Speaker 1: as we break down the championship matchups that just unfolded
Speaker 1: in the Kansas City Chiefs the pride of Phillips preseason
Speaker 1: predictions are going back to the Super Bowl, which I really,
Speaker 1: honestly that probably wasn't the best prediction in the world, because,
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody kind of thought that that was a
Speaker 1: pretty good chance that the Chiefs would find their way
Speaker 1: back to the super Bowl, but the prediction did not
Speaker 1: include Tom Brady going back to the Super Bowl. That's
Speaker 1: time as a member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about it with a former
Speaker 1: teammate of mister Tom Brady, Isaiah stand Back and our
Speaker 1: professional football analyst Heck my Harrison, Rob Phillips would join
Speaker 1: us coming up here in just a little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: Kyle Yomen's Chris being back in the back as always
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Yeah, there's a lot to break down from
Speaker 1: yesterday's action, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers taking down the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers initially and then followed up by really a
Speaker 1: dominant performance of the Chiefs over the Buffalo Bills, the uprising,
Speaker 1: red hot Buffalo Bills. But what were your thoughts, Isaiah
Speaker 1: on really what unfolded on Championship Sunday and really the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl matchup that's now in front of us pretty much?
Speaker 1: What I what I thought, man, I thought that, you know,
Speaker 1: the Buffalo has had a good run. But obviously, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: I mean those guys are who they are, right U
Speaker 1: They're just they're they're they're too powerful on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. Really. But then you look at the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Tampa game, and we knew that was gonna
Speaker 1: be a tough game. You know, you got to two
Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it. But I think
Speaker 1: really the deciding factor between that game wasn't necessarily between
Speaker 1: the guys on the offenside of the ball. But it's
Speaker 1: their defense. And as soon as uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: defensive line of Tampa is very strong, very strong. And
Speaker 1: then as soon as you had to heard the news
Speaker 1: of my U dub mister Vita Vea coming back, you
Speaker 1: knew it was pretty much a rap. That defensive line
Speaker 1: is just too powerful, um, pretty much for any offensive line,
Speaker 1: especially this time of the year. So um, the results
Speaker 1: came out, you know, the obviously TV twelves going back.
Speaker 1: He's that dude, and there all the haters that are
Speaker 1: out there, you really just probably just just just because
Speaker 1: he's he's he's he's nice. I was a hater earlier
Speaker 1: in the season, Isaiah because I basically told everybody that
Speaker 1: I thought he was washed and I will eat crow.
Speaker 1: I'm gladly because that I was wrong. I was completely wrong.
Speaker 1: Now he's not what he was in two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: For those of you saying that, hey, it's the same
Speaker 1: Tom Brady as he was in his prime, that's not true.
Speaker 1: He's going to give away the football game. He tried
Speaker 1: to yesterday on three different occasions. But that defense, my goodness, heck,
Speaker 1: Ma Harrison, if you wanted to model the Cowboys defense
Speaker 1: after a team that like remade a defense in one
Speaker 1: or two seasons. I think Tampa Bay would be kind
Speaker 1: of the formation to do that because that defensive line
Speaker 1: is just absolutely nasty and their secondary is pretty darn
Speaker 1: good too. Well. Yeah, especially when you can get you
Speaker 1: can get all of that pressure with just four guys,
Speaker 1: and that's what they're able to manufacturer in this system.
Speaker 1: And man, Jason Pierre Paul, how about him, a guy
Speaker 1: that was pretty much written off after he left the
Speaker 1: Giants going to Tampa Bay and this resurgence of his
Speaker 1: career also in Dominican Sue. But man, it's Shack. It's
Speaker 1: not Shack, it's Shack bart Butt, say Griffin, Shack Barrett,
Speaker 1: Shack Barrett. And you know, I talk a lot about
Speaker 1: dogs and we need goons, and but that's exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. A guy that is getting off the
Speaker 1: ball like Shack Barrett is literally unstoppable. And when you
Speaker 1: can get that pressure like they did with the front
Speaker 1: four man the guys behind you, your secondary, you don't
Speaker 1: have to have first round picks at every position. You
Speaker 1: can have some mid level guys and that pressure makes
Speaker 1: the difference in the way that you set up your coverage.
Speaker 1: Todd Bows did a masterful job, masterful job against against
Speaker 1: a quarterback Aaron Rodgers. That you're not going to stop him.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna You're just not going to stop Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: But what you have to do is take things away,
Speaker 1: pick pick your poison. Right. We know we can't stop Aaron. Look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna stop this run. What we're not going to
Speaker 1: allow you to do is run for two hundred yards.
Speaker 1: And you saw that man with their guys, their secondary,
Speaker 1: their linebackers. Man, just a hard hidden game. But Kyle,
Speaker 1: when you say that Tom Brady isn't what he was,
Speaker 1: you know an oh five man, when you get in
Speaker 1: your forties, Man, you wasn't what you was last month,
Speaker 1: So just wait five time. It's gonna come for you too,
Speaker 1: So you'd be careful how you talk about the seriatric
Speaker 1: people of the world. Man. See, And whenever I was
Speaker 1: watching this game yesterday, there was there was frustration and
Speaker 1: Cowboys Nation out there. If you're listening, let me know
Speaker 1: that I wasn't alone because there was definite frustration and
Speaker 1: the fact that I mean, you waited all year to
Speaker 1: see a dog like maybe a DeMarcus Lawrence. And yeah,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence had a decent ear, but you expect him
Speaker 1: to be what Jason, Peter Paul and Jack Barrett were yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what you expect d law to be. You
Speaker 1: want him off the ball, you want him quick, and
Speaker 1: you want him to see that. And as we welcome
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips back into the show here in just a second,
Speaker 1: look at that nice slide from Rob Phillips and Chris Beam.
Speaker 1: The production value here is just outsolutely unmatched. But Rob,
Speaker 1: when you looked at that defense yesterday from Tampa Bay,
Speaker 1: how can the Cowboys get to that? I know the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle position needs a very nice upgrade in order
Speaker 1: to even get remotely to that that amount of pressure
Speaker 1: in the interior. But off of the edge, with Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory into Marcus Lawrence, they should be able to do
Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah, I mean, I it's a it's
Speaker 1: a great question because I think overall those teams are
Speaker 1: where they are because top to bottom they have better players.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's number one to your point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Cowboys have some pieces and I think it starts
Speaker 1: with your edge rushers. Um, but I look at like
Speaker 1: a Kansas City team, their secondary just flies around. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have a really talented group. Matthew and a lot
Speaker 1: of their guys, so Thornhill and connecting. They were connected
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys at one point or another, you know,
Speaker 1: and they weren't signed or they weren't drafted, and so
Speaker 1: you know, it comes down to it comes down to
Speaker 1: your personnel. Hey, Rob, Yeah, but Pete, Hey, Pete, I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you this though, I was thinking of the guy, um,
Speaker 1: Jordan Whitehead for Tampa. Think about this. We took Dorrence
Speaker 1: Armstrong at one sixteen and the safety Jordan Whitehead went
Speaker 1: to Tampa at one seventeen. And don't do that, don't
Speaker 1: play that game, don't draft me. I mean he was,
Speaker 1: he was right there for y'all. Mean it is. This
Speaker 1: is a hard hitting safety that caused two fumbles in
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. I mean, so we have we
Speaker 1: have missed on some second day guys, especially some safeties
Speaker 1: in the draft, and I would say Jordan Whitehead would
Speaker 1: be one of them to add to that list as well. Well.
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's it's funny. I just pop in.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's the joys of parenthoods wine. Late today
Speaker 1: I was listening. I was listening to a little bit
Speaker 1: of dan Quinn on with the PFF guys on their podcast,
Speaker 1: and he talked about really what he said it was
Speaker 1: a lot what Mike McCarthy said when he got the
Speaker 1: job last year head coach was players over scheme and
Speaker 1: so and that's dan Quinn's philosophy too. Now that's gotta
Speaker 1: be that's really gotta be a priority because you know,
Speaker 1: we heard that last year, but they tried to implement
Speaker 1: a scheme that I don't know really fit the personnel
Speaker 1: they had. It certainly didn't fit the timeline of the
Speaker 1: pandemic and all that. So how can dan Quinn get
Speaker 1: the most out of the guys he's got? And so
Speaker 1: sometimes when your personnel is not at a super bowl level,
Speaker 1: you know, your scheme and the way you use players
Speaker 1: can overcome some of that. So this is a huge,
Speaker 1: huge role for dan Quinn coming in how he fixes things,
Speaker 1: how he gets guys more comfortable in the roles, understanding
Speaker 1: buying in the roles they are. And we talked about
Speaker 1: some of that last week. That's how you overcome some
Speaker 1: of it, But I don't know how you. I mean,
Speaker 1: personnel like man to man I don't know how you're
Speaker 1: comparing Cowboys to the teams they're playing for at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason why they're there, Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I mean, how, especially with all the speculation fellas I
Speaker 1: guess before going to the next team, how do you
Speaker 1: get your roster to that point? Though? Because these is
Speaker 1: clearly the two most talented teams in the league, not
Speaker 1: even a competition, not even a competition, right, So that
Speaker 1: to your point, you know, talent over skiing. They have
Speaker 1: abundance of talent, but they have some pretty dark one
Speaker 1: good schemes to go along with that talent. That knows
Speaker 1: how to put those guys on the hundred pedestal, Right,
Speaker 1: they use every every inch of talent that they have
Speaker 1: within all their guys, right, all their guys. Who was that?
Speaker 1: Who was that Perryman? Who who fumbled right on a
Speaker 1: hund return? And most teams will do what sit there, guy? Right?
Speaker 1: Sit there? Guy? What do they do? No, we're gonna
Speaker 1: come up with verse with him, and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: throw the ball to him and put him right back
Speaker 1: in there. He's gonna kill it, right, So it's not
Speaker 1: only the players in a talent level that they have
Speaker 1: but also to trust and the understand that these coaches
Speaker 1: have of the of what they have on the roster.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, especially going into this offseason where
Speaker 1: the salary cap might be adjusted down, most likely be
Speaker 1: adjusted down, right, Like, what do you what can you
Speaker 1: do to catch up to those teams? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: what can you do? I don't think you can in
Speaker 1: one year? I said that last That's a great point.
Speaker 1: As I said last week, I think it's from a
Speaker 1: personnel standpoint, I think this is like a two or
Speaker 1: three year job to try to get it, you know,
Speaker 1: investing draft picks, investing salary cap money. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can do that. I think you've got to be
Speaker 1: just more sound defensively than you were last year, and
Speaker 1: not give up as many big plays, try to build
Speaker 1: on some of the turnovers you're forced, and then really
Speaker 1: you got to hope that your offense can just supplement
Speaker 1: it with Hey we can we can outscore teams, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean Cowboys kind of went through this in the
Speaker 1: mid two thousands, heck, where you know, defensively they were
Speaker 1: in some some transition with their personnel. They had some
Speaker 1: signing guys kind of off the couch to play defensive line,
Speaker 1: but you still had Tony Romoy, still had an offense
Speaker 1: that could put points on the board, and you had
Speaker 1: a running game that help your defensive line too. So
Speaker 1: I think you've just got to be solid, if not spectacular,
Speaker 1: defensively next year. And if you look at it, just
Speaker 1: say Tampa, if you look at that defense, they've had
Speaker 1: these guys for a couple of years, right, so that
Speaker 1: Tampa defense has been what it's been. They just needed
Speaker 1: that one piece to come in to take them to
Speaker 1: the next level. And you know, obviously football is the
Speaker 1: ultimate team sport, but if you look at Tampa and
Speaker 1: the numbers that they were putting up, let's say twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, offensively, they were top ten in the league offensively,
Speaker 1: but they were bottoms as it related to wins and losses.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady comes in, I think worst they get the
Speaker 1: right tackle as well. Just those pieces alone is what
Speaker 1: is excelling this team to get to the next level.
Speaker 1: And also Leonard Fournette, Like, let's stop to get Leonard Fournette,
Speaker 1: and I mean he showed up in a major way.
Speaker 1: So just the running game, fresh legs, fresh legs, fresh
Speaker 1: legs and then also being able to get those chunk
Speaker 1: plays and a quarterback. Then again, first half played flawlessly,
Speaker 1: second half a whole nother thing with tip balls and
Speaker 1: just overthrown balls. But the turnover differential, we talked about that, right,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady turns the ball over three times, But if
Speaker 1: you look at the Cowboys defense when we've had turnovers,
Speaker 1: those have always equated in two points. So three turnovers
Speaker 1: twenty one points. If it's the Cowboys, that would be
Speaker 1: your ball game, right. So it's just all things being considered.
Speaker 1: When you look at and you talk about scheme and
Speaker 1: all of that, what scheme are you going to play?
Speaker 1: Because if we're talking three four and looking at Tampa,
Speaker 1: they're having Dominican Sue, who is a large human human being,
Speaker 1: Vitaby the guy from you dub who is another massive
Speaker 1: person that can take on those double teams and allow
Speaker 1: your linebackers to run free. We tried to do that
Speaker 1: last last year and our guys were getting just just
Speaker 1: dug out of that. So you're paying poison in it
Speaker 1: question quick. First of all, got they had Lashaw McCoy.
Speaker 1: I forgot. I saw him in the postgame celebration I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's like they do have talent. They have a ridiculous
Speaker 1: amount of talent just sitting not even touching the field.
Speaker 1: But but to your point, heck, in terms of them
Speaker 1: saying that they needed that one piece, right, that one
Speaker 1: major piece, right in terms of Tom Brady coming, that
Speaker 1: was you know in their coach said it, right, Brucereans,
Speaker 1: he said it. After the game, they said, well, you
Speaker 1: know what, what did this guy mean to you guys coming?
Speaker 1: You know, what what do he mean when he came
Speaker 1: to his team and he said he just he made
Speaker 1: them believe in and the skill set they already had. Ye, Like,
Speaker 1: to your to your point, they've had this roster for
Speaker 1: a minute now, right. Obviously, they brought in TV twelve,
Speaker 1: they brought into tackle, they brought in ab they brought
Speaker 1: in Gronkowsky, They brought in some dudes. Now, let's not
Speaker 1: act like they didn't bring it more on one piece.
Speaker 1: They brought some dudes in to solidify their stuff. But
Speaker 1: you know, but they brought in veterans, They brought in vets.
Speaker 1: So as we started looking towards the offseason, what is
Speaker 1: it that we can do? I know, we swung in
Speaker 1: miss On on eight sitting our business offseason. What is
Speaker 1: it we can do this offseason to play on play
Speaker 1: friendly with the Sellery cap to help us? Like, what
Speaker 1: pieces do we need? Obviously they needed a quarterback in
Speaker 1: some other thoughts, what pieces do we need that we
Speaker 1: could feel the gaps with with better gaps. There's a
Speaker 1: long list, a long list. And that's the thing is
Speaker 1: if you're if you're comparing the Cowboys situation to Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay's situation. Sure, Tampa Bay went from the thirteenth overall
Speaker 1: pick last year. They took an offensive lineman in the
Speaker 1: first they took Antoine Winfield junior in the second round,
Speaker 1: had a pretty good first two rounds. They didn't pick
Speaker 1: again until the fifth round, so they didn't have a
Speaker 1: bedvy of draft picks with the majority of their work
Speaker 1: came through free agency and then came through really the
Speaker 1: work throughout an offseason with Tom Brady with his veteran
Speaker 1: I guess I don't even know what you would call
Speaker 1: that Isaiah, just his knowledge of the game and the
Speaker 1: way that he's the multiplier, he acts as a multiplier
Speaker 1: for the talent that's around him. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's that piece out there that might be a one
Speaker 1: time thing. That was Tom Brady being Tom Brady, and
Speaker 1: there's you're not gonna go out there and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, that guy on that roster looks pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Let me go bring him in as a free agent,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden we're gonna be super
Speaker 1: Bowl contenders. It's not gonna be. It's not gonna work
Speaker 1: like that. You need a guy like that. But I'm
Speaker 1: asking can Dak Prescott be that? Can his return be
Speaker 1: that jolt and that multiplier for the team around you?
Speaker 1: Because we've talked about it extensively on this show that
Speaker 1: whenever Dak Prescott went down with the injury in Week five,
Speaker 1: automatically the expect chas changed. They all changed. They all flipped,
Speaker 1: no matter what the record was beforehand, no matter what
Speaker 1: the team looked like previously. The expectations changed when Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott went out. Now can they change when he comes
Speaker 1: back in Yes, yeah, of course they can. I like
Speaker 1: I like to think so, fellas, But you guys got
Speaker 1: to remember when you sign a guy like TB twelve,
Speaker 1: what happened to all the other free agents, Kyle. They
Speaker 1: came to him, all the other major free agents they
Speaker 1: wanted to come to him, right, they fled the Tampa
Speaker 1: Why because they believe in that guy? Right? What else happened?
Speaker 1: Those free agents came? And when those free agents come,
Speaker 1: when Antonio Brown case on your team and you already
Speaker 1: have a Mike Evans in a good way, all those guys, right,
Speaker 1: what does he do to their game? That game has
Speaker 1: to do? What has to elevate it? You bring Gronkowski on,
Speaker 1: what happens to your tight end position? Not only is
Speaker 1: he gonna be do what he does, right, but everybody
Speaker 1: else's game elevates. Right. So it's not about just bringing
Speaker 1: in guys that can do their job. It's about not
Speaker 1: only number one having a guy that everybody wants to
Speaker 1: flock and come play with, right, which is why the
Speaker 1: Houston situation is so serious right now? Right? And then
Speaker 1: but then number number two, you got to bring in
Speaker 1: guys who will elevate the play of everybody else at
Speaker 1: your position, because if that person goes down, they still
Speaker 1: have to be successful. People have to remember, Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: did not play. Antonio Brown didn't play, now and ron
Speaker 1: would have been retired, he wouldn't have played for anybody else.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I look at it this way because
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to be positive about the way
Speaker 1: the season. We haven't been positive of this first segment.
Speaker 1: I do think, yeah, I think I think if Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott was healthy, they would have won this division. I
Speaker 1: really do. I think they would have had two friends
Speaker 1: and they would have won. So, I mean, he gets healthy,
Speaker 1: your offense is healthy, your defense makes some strides forward,
Speaker 1: which I think they have to be able to go
Speaker 1: up from where they were. They just have to be
Speaker 1: there'sh so like so like, I think it's reasonable to
Speaker 1: think that they should be favorites to win the division
Speaker 1: at they're healthy next year, and if they do that,
Speaker 1: they give themselves a chance. And the thing about this
Speaker 1: this weekend was like it wasn't just about who's playing
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl. It's like, what's the future of
Speaker 1: the conference now? Because Drew Brees very well may retire.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was really vague about his future now. He
Speaker 1: might if he doesn't go back to Green Bay, might
Speaker 1: wind up on another NFC contender. Adam Schefter was kind
Speaker 1: of sort of hinting at that today. But there may
Speaker 1: be a shift here and there may be actually some
Speaker 1: opportunities that aren't normally there because we're talking about like
Speaker 1: some of the greatest players of all time, and that's
Speaker 1: who you're trying to compete with right now. And that's
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying, that's the that's the unfair
Speaker 1: comparison when you start talking about Tom Brady because he's
Speaker 1: proven he had skins on the wall, and that's why
Speaker 1: you want to go and play with Tom Brady because
Speaker 1: of what he's done. You talk about Dak Prescott's leadership,
Speaker 1: and you can tell that this team was a leaderless
Speaker 1: team once Dak went down, and maybe that was the
Speaker 1: one piece that you needed to be the Philadelphia in Philly,
Speaker 1: right that was the one piece that you may have
Speaker 1: needed to be the Washington football team in Washington. Maybe
Speaker 1: that would have been the difference maker. All I'm saying like,
Speaker 1: if you take those pieces and say that, oh, one
Speaker 1: guy can't make the difference, well just switch over to
Speaker 1: San Francisco. They had a whole lot of pieces. But
Speaker 1: then when they bring on the cornerback, your guy can't
Speaker 1: think his name and saved my life. Right now, play
Speaker 1: for Seattle went to Stanford, Come somebody else, Wilson, who
Speaker 1: are you talking about corner Richard Sherman, Thank you Sherman. Yeah, yeah, cornerback, Yes,
Speaker 1: the cornerback. He comes in and he solidifies that secondary mix.
Speaker 1: These guys up front plate to the scheme perfectly, and
Speaker 1: then they're vaulted. They go to the super Bowl. So look,
Speaker 1: it's very important when you talk about bringing in veterans
Speaker 1: and guys that can make a difference. There are some
Speaker 1: guys out there can that can make a big difference
Speaker 1: on your team, especially in the locker room. But we
Speaker 1: keep missing on that thought hack, like we keep passing
Speaker 1: these dudes up and Demicans sue, Nope, we're good. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're good. You know what I'm saying, Like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: like we're missing on like everybody. It's like Spinyada swings.
Speaker 1: They then they called Kyle, and Kyle says, yeah, go
Speaker 1: pick up po. You know what. Bo was never my guy.
Speaker 1: It was Hamperson Griffin that I told him I wanted
Speaker 1: to go sign and then that yeah, either we had
Speaker 1: balloons when yeah, the day after Griffin got signed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that part that was a swing. That was a swing
Speaker 1: of a mess on the Talking Cowboys crew for sure.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean that's what's frustrating. That's what's frustrating
Speaker 1: is because Tampa Bay goes and does this whole rebuild
Speaker 1: and they have all these guys. It's like, Oh, Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown's not gonna work out. Oh Gronk's not gonna be
Speaker 1: the same as what he was previously. You're going to
Speaker 1: talk through all of these guys and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Oh my gosh, they're back to what they
Speaker 1: were and they're playing extremely well. Tom Brady's washed, No,
Speaker 1: he's not. Now he's leading you to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's what's frustrating. Wait about the whole thing. Why Wait
Speaker 1: I missed the first three minutes obviously, But were you're
Speaker 1: frustrated because Tampa Bay's in the Super Bowl? Yes, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have not had any kind of success. You
Speaker 1: had a one year turnaround, like with Tom Brady. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that's what's frustrating for me as a Cowboys fan,
Speaker 1: because I want that to happen. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: likely to happen. I'm not saying what Tampa Bay did
Speaker 1: was likely to happen, but I would like it to
Speaker 1: happen for the Cowboys. Yeah, well, they just they plugged
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan in a quarterback, and it pretty much what
Speaker 1: happened like it's I mean, yeah, you can't compare him
Speaker 1: to anybody. Not. Here's the even I even debunked my
Speaker 1: own thing on Twitter yesterday. I said, you know, Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: I've been saying for ten years, is the greatest I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I know, after five minutes, the last five
Speaker 1: minutes of the first half. No, because Rogers throws a pick,
Speaker 1: Brady gets that deep touchdown, You're like, oh, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the goat. Let me, can I debunk what you even
Speaker 1: just said a moment ago and show you how this
Speaker 1: is No, this is good. No, this is proving to
Speaker 1: Rob's point. But I'm debunking even even the comparison he made.
Speaker 1: How good were the Washington Wizards Whenever Michael Jordan went
Speaker 1: over there and you plugged Michael Jordan, actual Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: and put him on the Washington Wizards, they weren't going
Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals. Let me tell you that much.
Speaker 1: That's how special what Tom Brady is doing. Wasn't he
Speaker 1: wasn't Michael Jordan at that point. But that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Araders never happened a lot of people didn't think this
Speaker 1: was tom Brady before the season started, including myself. Did
Speaker 1: you see how sharp tom Brady was that first half.
Speaker 1: Let's just say quarter, first half, quarter to two the
Speaker 1: second half, all of those picks are not on him.
Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna say that. Okay, let's say this.
Speaker 1: Let's say this, with two minutes and twelve seconds left
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, met the the floor made a dumb, dumb,
Speaker 1: smart decision, so stupid to kick the field goal. But
Speaker 1: you do that. You do that. You do that based
Speaker 1: off the fact that you have three timehouts and the
Speaker 1: two minute one. But everybody, but everybody in the world
Speaker 1: knows that Tom Brady is across from you and he
Speaker 1: is not gonna let you get the ball back exactly. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you can't. That's the greatness of tom Brady right there,
Speaker 1: and that's why he took the ball out of a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterbacks hands and then had lka defense.
Speaker 1: You go out there and stop the greatest quarterback that's
Speaker 1: ever lit. That's to that point. He did do that. However,
Speaker 1: that Hall of Fame quarterback should have ran the ball
Speaker 1: in Oh yeah, oh, from the second down. I agree, Yes, completely.
Speaker 1: And he said after the game like he didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: run because he thought he was going to have another
Speaker 1: play at it, which I didn't understand that. You just
Speaker 1: run anyway, try to get himself to a closer. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a b S. That's a b S. Yeah, that's one.
Speaker 1: He should have ran it in. He that's when every
Speaker 1: quarterback's done it. Every quarterbacks throwing the ball across their
Speaker 1: body thinking that they could fit it in there when
Speaker 1: they literally just if they would have just lifted their
Speaker 1: eyes up half the dog on red sea in front
Speaker 1: of him, that's a walk in touchdown. He bade him
Speaker 1: a pre Paul would have walked him down. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: didn't let him been close. Hey down, my boy. JPP
Speaker 1: might have got there, however, it would have been a
Speaker 1: mida because he had Yes, he only he only got
Speaker 1: three fingers, Isaiah, would he might have missed with two? Isaiah.
Speaker 1: Not every not every quarterback in the NFL can run
Speaker 1: like you do, Okay, not every quarterback can get those
Speaker 1: legs moving and unhooked the trailer a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're you're a special break if you're played it. If
Speaker 1: you're played it, Kyle, I believe in you. I believe
Speaker 1: in you. Are you saying I could have running in
Speaker 1: for a touchdown for the NFC Championship game to go
Speaker 1: to the SUPERB? All right, you would have one, probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would have got you would have you would have
Speaker 1: pulled it. You would have dropped a couple of tens
Speaker 1: of a second, yeah, yeah, I would have told I
Speaker 1: would have put the body on the line a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then getting care flighted back to the Green Bay Hospital. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Let's go ahead and take our
Speaker 1: first break when we come back. We've got a Twitter
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, and then we'll talk about some
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Speaker 1: and if you, hey, if you have questions for us
Speaker 1: in the periscope as well, throw it in the periscope
Speaker 1: and we can answer them from there as well. But
Speaker 1: I have one Twitter question forsome fans on the fifty
Speaker 1: fans on the fifty Chris Beam pushing the buttons in
Speaker 1: the back and doing a great job of doing so
Speaker 1: as well. All right, This comes from Kenneth Skumo Junior
Speaker 1: on Fans on the fifty, and he asked, Shouldoby, Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis do you think all three of these guys
Speaker 1: are gone this offseason? And then he asked a second question,
Speaker 1: I'll ask it here in just a moment about some
Speaker 1: free agent guys. But I want to start with the
Speaker 1: secondary Shodobe. We've got Woods and you've also got Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: All three are free agents this summer. I guess dot summer,
Speaker 1: but I guess spring free agents right now. Really to
Speaker 1: get into these talks, but do you think all three
Speaker 1: of those guys are gone, and we've we've talked about
Speaker 1: it on this show before. Who would you bring back
Speaker 1: at this very moment. We'll start with you, Isaiah. I
Speaker 1: hate to say it depends, man, but it really depends
Speaker 1: on what you have out there that you can go
Speaker 1: get in free agency. I think that you I would
Speaker 1: prefer to fall back on those guys and not necessarily
Speaker 1: lead with those guys that if that answers the question,
Speaker 1: I prefer to not bring any of them back. Maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: I prefer to not bring any of them back. I
Speaker 1: just leave it at that. So I'd rather go out
Speaker 1: there and see what I can get. Brings some new
Speaker 1: guys in with his new regime, and if I can't
Speaker 1: get all those guys that I really want, then I'll retain,
Speaker 1: you know, retain the best one at each position. But
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not necessarily a fan of you have
Speaker 1: any of them. Jordan Lewis. I like, I like some
Speaker 1: of the things that he does, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the year he kind of those dumb plays kind
Speaker 1: of proved why he shouldn't be here. M okay, Rob,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it depends now on what
Speaker 1: dan Quinn thinks, and I go back to that interview
Speaker 1: he did with PFF. We haven't talked to him yet,
Speaker 1: but he's he said, I've got to dive into personnel
Speaker 1: and see who we got and who fits, who we
Speaker 1: can really work with, you know, in so many words,
Speaker 1: I guess, And so to Isaiah's point, you know, the
Speaker 1: secondary as a whole just really struggled. You know, I
Speaker 1: thought I thought Jordan Lewis was the best of the
Speaker 1: group there. Um, I don't know what his free agent
Speaker 1: market might look like. I could see one of the
Speaker 1: two corners of being back. I definitely could see a
Speaker 1: change at safety, um, based on the way the season went.
Speaker 1: And and that's a huge position in this scheme. If
Speaker 1: it's going to be more of like the zan Quinn
Speaker 1: schemes we've seen in the past, you got to have
Speaker 1: a free safety that can really cover and has a
Speaker 1: lot of range. So, um, I'd say I'd say one
Speaker 1: of the two corners, maybe I'll say Cheeto, say Cheeto
Speaker 1: back and and maybe you know that gives you Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown one corner. Digs of course, and then maybe you
Speaker 1: go in the draft and you're looking free agency too
Speaker 1: to try to help yourself there. Hey, And I agree
Speaker 1: with you rob when you say it's going to be
Speaker 1: up to dan Quinn to make the decision. Look at
Speaker 1: the tape and based off of his evaluation. I would
Speaker 1: be shocked if Woods was back into Calitol uniform next year,
Speaker 1: and also a woozier being back Jordan Lewis just because
Speaker 1: of his skill set. And let's look, let's not also
Speaker 1: understate the depth that they have. I mean, I believe
Speaker 1: it's it's Kennedy was one Robinson and I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about the the rookie rochon, so it's not Richard Robinson.
Speaker 1: It's not really a lot of depth there. Especially going
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year. I think I was
Speaker 1: looking at who is that? Who's this greatness that come
Speaker 1: from lad for So it's a you know, we have
Speaker 1: to solidify our secondary. But again in the first segment,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about teams that can get pressure with
Speaker 1: just four down linement, you may be able to get
Speaker 1: away with some of those midlevel guys they're in free agency,
Speaker 1: or let's just say, if you do bring back a
Speaker 1: Cheeto and Lewis, a lot of these guys right now,
Speaker 1: they just got to test the market to see what's
Speaker 1: out there, and it may not be as favorable for
Speaker 1: them either, so they may end up, just by a
Speaker 1: process of elimination, end up being back. When you talk
Speaker 1: about Lewis and Cheetah, yeah, I think I would flip
Speaker 1: a coin on the corners. I'd be fine with one
Speaker 1: of those two guys coming back, Jordan Lewis or Cheeto.
Speaker 1: I think both of them are pretty much right there,
Speaker 1: even in my thought process of how they would fit
Speaker 1: into a dan Quinn system. I'm fine with letting Xavier walk.
Speaker 1: I'm fine trying to go find a safety. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of safeties in the second in the third round,
Speaker 1: like a treyvon mooreg out of TCU or Darius Washington
Speaker 1: also out of TCU. I mean there's some senior Bowl
Speaker 1: guys I'm looking at over the next three days that
Speaker 1: our safety said I'm interested in maybe picking up on
Speaker 1: day two or early day three. So I would probably
Speaker 1: flip a coin on the corners. One of those two
Speaker 1: guys I would I would like to maybe keep just
Speaker 1: for debt purposes and because they started, because they know
Speaker 1: the system, they know the team, and they know the
Speaker 1: locker room. But yeah, I don't. I don't see multiple
Speaker 1: guys coming back. I really don't now. And another thing,
Speaker 1: let me go for Kyle. Another thing you may want
Speaker 1: to check, you know, free agents coming from Atlanta, because yeah,
Speaker 1: you've we found that a lot of times when when
Speaker 1: coaches moved to other teams, they'll take their guys with them.
Speaker 1: We saw that last year with Malie Collins going to
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. So Kean O'Neill the free agent, and he's
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent of free safety for Atlanta.
Speaker 1: He may be a guy that comes off get Jeff
Speaker 1: eat as well, you know, but they're just guys that
Speaker 1: travel with coaches and so we may have a little
Speaker 1: bit of that as well with guys signing onto the
Speaker 1: Cowboys roster, you know. And I'm glad you brought up
Speaker 1: that point because Atlanta didn't really have a ton of guys.
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about if you thought the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: a depth issue at safety, so did Atlanta. Atlanta also
Speaker 1: had that depth or not even at safety, but at corner,
Speaker 1: defensive back or whatever. That secondary was depleted as well
Speaker 1: for the Falcons last year. And Rob brought up the
Speaker 1: point in the first segment about Dan Quinn and the
Speaker 1: scheme or talent over scheme, players over scheme in terms
Speaker 1: of evaluation and personnel, and I thought that was the case,
Speaker 1: and it's nice to hear him say that because I
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of what we want here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you look at what their
Speaker 1: draft history was a year ago. They could have very
Speaker 1: easily taken Cede Lamb at number sixteen. Instead, they went
Speaker 1: with A. J. Teller's the corner out of Clemson because
Speaker 1: he ended up fitting a need and he was taking
Speaker 1: maybe forty picks too high. To my regard, I had
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs over AJ tell Or I think it was Teller.
Speaker 1: I keep saying. I think I might say his name wrong,
Speaker 1: but Terrell Terrell is his name last year. So AJ
Speaker 1: Terrell was the Clemson corner. I had Treyvon Diggs higher
Speaker 1: than AJ Terrell and they ended up picking him because
Speaker 1: he fit a need. So Rob, do you think that's
Speaker 1: him saying that maybe based on his own thought process.
Speaker 1: I know he's not going to be a huge part
Speaker 1: in the draft process, but so was Rod Marinelli in
Speaker 1: the previous years. He don't necessarily want that kind of
Speaker 1: interaction costing you some picks. Well, I think number one,
Speaker 1: that's that's what Mike McCarthy has said when since he's
Speaker 1: had the job, that's what you have to do. I
Speaker 1: think most coaches would say that too, that you had
Speaker 1: It's it's your responsibility to put the players in the
Speaker 1: best spots. So I think that's general coaching one on
Speaker 1: one in a way. But I think it is important.
Speaker 1: I do think. I think in this particular situation, it's
Speaker 1: kind of the it's kind of a good marriage because
Speaker 1: we talked about how they've played this scheme in one
Speaker 1: form or another in the past. They know it can
Speaker 1: work with some of the players they have already, so there.
Speaker 1: I don't he's not coming in trying to reinvent the wheel,
Speaker 1: so I think the scheme in itself will probably fit
Speaker 1: the team better anyway. Um, But yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: we talked about he has worked in some other schemes,
Speaker 1: so I think he you know, he's got enough versatility
Speaker 1: where he can he can kind of mold things to
Speaker 1: the players that that fit well. But I think overall,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see you know, we're gonna see a four
Speaker 1: three scheme here. We'll cover three all that good stuff. Isaiah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a role's point. I think he's I mean,
Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing and he knows the talent
Speaker 1: that he has. I know everything that I've seen from him,
Speaker 1: he's been able to get the most out of every player.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we have axtreme lack of talent.
Speaker 1: I think we have a streme lack of confidence. Uh
Speaker 1: in guy's abilities. I think that you the guys that
Speaker 1: you currently have on a roster, I think you can
Speaker 1: get everything out of them and be a very productive defense.
Speaker 1: I really do. And now that doesn't take away from
Speaker 1: the fact that I think we still need some additional pieces.
Speaker 1: I think I definitely think we need some guys who
Speaker 1: are better than what we currently have. But if you can't,
Speaker 1: if you had to go into next year with the
Speaker 1: current roster that you have on defense, you have the
Speaker 1: enough enough talent on the defensive line, at the linebacker position,
Speaker 1: in the secondary to get what you need out simply
Speaker 1: because of what we started out this this whole podcast
Speaker 1: talking about, which is the defensive line of Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: We have a solid defensive line here too. If guys
Speaker 1: are playing with confidence, if guys are playing with a
Speaker 1: scheme that highlights their abilities in their and their skill sets.
Speaker 1: So when you have a defense accordity that put you
Speaker 1: in a in a position to be successful, then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, your game elevates. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what that's what coach Point is gonna be able to
Speaker 1: come in and do. Yeah, he just needs guys in
Speaker 1: a smart that are able to pick up this game.
Speaker 1: And regardless of you know, what they played last year.
Speaker 1: You look at if you look around the league like
Speaker 1: we're making so much of three or four versus four three,
Speaker 1: what is your base? Teams play a variety of schemes
Speaker 1: and you just have to be able to pick it
Speaker 1: up up and execute. Jalen Smith too, is if I
Speaker 1: could just take out one person that had the worst
Speaker 1: twenty twenty just based off of the fact that he
Speaker 1: didn't understand what he was doing. Nobody had play real
Speaker 1: time live with live AMMO out there not knowing what
Speaker 1: you're doing. So putting guys in the right this one thing.
Speaker 1: Just hold on, hold yeah, hold on, Haman, who me?
Speaker 1: You saw the film? Yeah, you watch them? Watch the film.
Speaker 1: Come on now, I watch the film. I watched the film.
Speaker 1: I just see guys missing, you know, missing the scheme
Speaker 1: hadn't just settled with these guys. So look, defensively, whatever
Speaker 1: dan Quinn does, he knows that he's, you know, the sky.
Speaker 1: The own thing that he has is to go up
Speaker 1: right because of where they were. Confidence wise, like you said, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: confidence is shot right because all of these guys saw
Speaker 1: what happened to them in twenty twenty. You gotta build
Speaker 1: them up. But at the same time, if you're just
Speaker 1: gonna say I'm gonna get this guy and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a plug and play guy, you may be setting
Speaker 1: yourself up with disaster. Again. He's got to be a
Speaker 1: proven he got to be a guy that's shown you
Speaker 1: that he can make plays and not just based off
Speaker 1: of some reputation that you're going to give him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a bunch of guys like that
Speaker 1: either interchangeable, and I think the defense needs a complete overhaul.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that there's a couple of a
Speaker 1: couple of guys in the secondary that you could easily
Speaker 1: do that for, I wouldn't be against doing so. Okay,
Speaker 1: second part of Kenneth Shumo's question was offensive linemen and
Speaker 1: defensive Lineman, any pieces to pick up in free agency
Speaker 1: that could potentially help this overhaul of the defense, Rob
Speaker 1: do you know of any names off the top of
Speaker 1: your head that the Cowboys could potentially be targeting? No,
Speaker 1: not stop my head. It's kind of early for that.
Speaker 1: It did as well, they need to, I think I
Speaker 1: said earlier, you know, not to be repetitive, but I
Speaker 1: think dan Quinn has to figure out with who he
Speaker 1: has on the roster, who can fit with what he's
Speaker 1: trying to do, and or who can who he can
Speaker 1: really work with and build around. You know, I think
Speaker 1: I think on the offensive line, they're they're okay as
Speaker 1: long as they're as long as they're healthy. The biggest
Speaker 1: question to me is what do you do at the
Speaker 1: backup tackle spot? Because Cam Irving, I think is a
Speaker 1: very solid veteran backup swing tackle. But can you afford
Speaker 1: that veteran player to be a backup in a cap
Speaker 1: situation year like this one? I don't know. And how
Speaker 1: do you feel about Brandon Knight and Terrence Steele? They
Speaker 1: got a lot of snaps this year. Did they show
Speaker 1: you enough? Um? You know, they might have to roll
Speaker 1: with one of those two guys this year? Depending on
Speaker 1: the way the cap breaks down. Um, and then obviously
Speaker 1: you know, defensive line, I think I think they've got
Speaker 1: some pieces. I think you get Tristan hill Back. I
Speaker 1: think he fits that four three scheme. If that's mostly
Speaker 1: what they're gonna run, I think he fits it pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know, he's up the field, smaller penetrating defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I think I think that fits what Rod Marinelli wanted
Speaker 1: and probably Dan Quinn too. So I think there are
Speaker 1: some pieces there. But the biggest questions on defense to
Speaker 1: me or in the secondary, because you have so many
Speaker 1: free agents and you really struggled there anyway from a
Speaker 1: production standpoint. Yeah, Kyle, I just look at Yeah, the
Speaker 1: question is, you know, as far as free agency, anyone
Speaker 1: that we may be looking at. You have guys like
Speaker 1: Lennon Williams defensive lineman tackle for the Giants. You have
Speaker 1: Puna Ford one tech at Seattle, Jonathan Hankins from Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. You know, there are a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys that are going to be available. And we've also
Speaker 1: had seen the rumors with Daniel Jeremiah with NFL Network
Speaker 1: saying that Piney Soul may fall to the Cowboys at ten. So,
Speaker 1: I mean that's very that's very interesting as to what
Speaker 1: you would do then with Smith in his contract, how
Speaker 1: does that move? I mean, he's pretty much he has
Speaker 1: an ironclad deal. Uh, it's from from the Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: how does how do you approach that? And they have
Speaker 1: to start looking at it that way, because look, if
Speaker 1: it's just through injury that we're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to have the stuff that we've had all these years,
Speaker 1: then we may have to start looking at moving on.
Speaker 1: How does Lell come back from the hip the lay room.
Speaker 1: There's there's so many things that are up in the
Speaker 1: air that we have to address. And I'm sorry, Tara,
Speaker 1: still thank you for stepping in, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to see that next this year. I just don't, right,
Speaker 1: so that we don't have to pray Hail Mary every
Speaker 1: time he Keith straps up, because that's that's just what
Speaker 1: I can't do that hack ahead with that all right now?
Speaker 1: Bye bye? Then thank you, Yeah, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for your service. You know isam, But but I but
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Heck, how you draft
Speaker 1: anything other than defense at ten? I know that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going you guys labeled me best of all, Like I,
Speaker 1: I think you have to go need it. You cannot No, no, no, no, Rob, no, Pe,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna do that. M not on this show.
Speaker 1: So so, if if it was available, if Rob was
Speaker 1: going to continue his best player Available march where he
Speaker 1: is going down the street and he is marching to
Speaker 1: the beat of the druma best player available, he would
Speaker 1: pick Kyle Pitts, probably at ten, and you would pick
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts at number ten overall. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm a Kyle the heck do you do that? He
Speaker 1: may be in the Hall of Fame in fifteen years,
Speaker 1: but I just don't know how you do that? How
Speaker 1: do you say that? And not? If you if you
Speaker 1: love the tight end position Kelsey Kittle and you see
Speaker 1: what it does for other teams, how could you not?
Speaker 1: We just spent forty minutes talking about the defense and
Speaker 1: how do you text it? And so we got a
Speaker 1: tight end at ten. I'm hey, look, I'm just if
Speaker 1: we're gonna you, you shoved it down my throat BP
Speaker 1: A BPA, So don't change up on me now, Rob
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back. You are now the interim GM of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Talking Cowboys Podcast. Okay, you're at number
Speaker 1: ten right now. You've got Kyle Pitts on the table.
Speaker 1: He's your sixth rated player overall at ten. Then you've
Speaker 1: got Caleb Farley on the table, he's your twelfth rated
Speaker 1: player overall. And Christian Barrowmore, who's number fifteen overall. Who
Speaker 1: do you take? Who do you pull the trigger on? Isaiah?
Speaker 1: Cowboys Nation is leaning upon you? Yeah, you didn't say,
Speaker 1: was it a certain certain Yeah? He's lower than Farley?
Speaker 1: What's his name? That's what I'm getting. That's what I'm getting. Defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would not if the tight end presents himself first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the tight end. I just gave you the scenario.
Speaker 1: I just gave you three players that you have. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm taking a boyfriend, pitt the tight end,
Speaker 1: the tight end. I'm just I'm just talking about Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean work across Kyle, Okay, okay, uh, But you
Speaker 1: take the tight end because you have ability to secure
Speaker 1: yet another position, even though you have some guys, even
Speaker 1: though you're ready to give it up some money right there.
Speaker 1: You have to rework some things. You have to get
Speaker 1: some trades off whatever you gotta do. But you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to solidify young talent, solidify young talent, and
Speaker 1: you're trying to surround your quarterback with young talent. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm he's a beast, So I mean you have
Speaker 1: to you have to lock that in, right. So, but
Speaker 1: I want a corner. If I'm a GM, I want
Speaker 1: a corner, and you need you need a shutdown corner.
Speaker 1: You either need a shut down corner or you need
Speaker 1: a corner that's really good that's gonna play well with
Speaker 1: with with digs, right, and then guess what. Then you
Speaker 1: gotta go out there and get you some safeties in
Speaker 1: free agency. But either way, I prefer to get a
Speaker 1: secondary guy. Now. I don't want to just want a
Speaker 1: safety in the draft. I want a corner, a shutdown
Speaker 1: corner in the draft. And I'll go out there and
Speaker 1: I'll find me some free agents or some some young
Speaker 1: guys later on in a in a draft to solidify
Speaker 1: your safety position. Because once you once you lock up
Speaker 1: your secondary, your front seven, you have talent there, can
Speaker 1: you get the most out of them? Right now, you
Speaker 1: don't have talent in your secondary, No, you do not,
Speaker 1: and you need to find some salent in that secondary
Speaker 1: as well. Now, the Cowboys did take a pretty premium
Speaker 1: pick at a secondary player last year in Trey Von Diggs.
Speaker 1: Where does he rank among the rookies on this Cowboys team.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about a rank them article that was
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Speaker 1: Yeoman's final couple minutes. And there was a rank OFM
Speaker 1: article Rob Phillips that was put on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: com a little bit ago, but we didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to talk about it last week, and I really
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to go through it. And somehow my
Speaker 1: voice is reverberating on my phone as I pull up
Speaker 1: the Cowboys app. I mean, that's the beauty of live podcasting.
Speaker 1: So the rankum rookies picking the Cowboys top ten rookies
Speaker 1: of twenty twenteen. Before I go through kind of the
Speaker 1: the actual results of this, I want to hear who
Speaker 1: your top rookie was of twenty twenty. Isaiah. We'll start
Speaker 1: with you on that. No, let's go with that my first,
Speaker 1: because I know he would probably feel the pressure of this.
Speaker 1: But who was your top rookie of twenty twenty? And why,
Speaker 1: oh wait, that is tough. Um golly, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go Ceede Lamb And that's the that's the easy
Speaker 1: way out, man. And this is he came up big
Speaker 1: in games, and I really want to pick Trayvon Biggs,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Ceedee Lamb would would be it. I think
Speaker 1: he played above and beyond. I think those first four
Speaker 1: games with Dak you could tell man that he was
Speaker 1: just his trajectory was through the roof and the type
Speaker 1: of season that he was about to have. But even
Speaker 1: with some of the substitutes, some of the other guys
Speaker 1: coming in, he still maintained has some key drops in games,
Speaker 1: but still Ceedee Lamb was a bright spot. All right, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: I'm torn on this one. I think CD is the
Speaker 1: easy answer. I think when you think about long term potential,
Speaker 1: in long term growth from this year, I I gotta
Speaker 1: go with Dicks. I was excuse me. I was hard
Speaker 1: on Dicks as he should have been hard on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, but he faced the best NFL has to
Speaker 1: throw at him, hands down, and I think that as
Speaker 1: bad as it was for him this year, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the big brother beating you up, and you
Speaker 1: come back the next year and guess what, everybody doesn't
Speaker 1: seem that bad. So I think that going into next
Speaker 1: year he will make leaps and bounds. But he needed
Speaker 1: to get that that whoop that boot this year first,
Speaker 1: had to get the trial by fire a little bit there. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what That's what y'all said. Y'all say, throw
Speaker 1: him to the fire. So that's what happened. That's what
Speaker 1: exactly we did. So that's what happened. Yeah, Rob, who
Speaker 1: was your top rookie? I'd have to say CD. I
Speaker 1: know that's the easy answer. But he played every game
Speaker 1: and I think you saw Pro Bowl potential just like
Speaker 1: you expected when you drafted him. The numbers weren't the
Speaker 1: best among the rookie class. Um he did play with
Speaker 1: four different quarterbacks, and he's also sharing a passing game
Speaker 1: with Amari Cooper who had ninety something catches, and Michael
Speaker 1: gallup so and Dalton Scholtz at sixty three about that, so,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, he flashed some plays where you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: he could definitely be a star in this league. And
Speaker 1: I think Diggs did too, but he missed think he
Speaker 1: missed a month and he did give up some big plays.
Speaker 1: I think though, when you look at the class overall,
Speaker 1: it looks promising, especially with maybe four out of the
Speaker 1: of the class, looks looks really promising, if not Pro bowlers,
Speaker 1: then starters. It was funny whenever Nick Eatman asked me
Speaker 1: for my list of rookies to go through Rob, I
Speaker 1: actually left Ceedee Lamb completely off the list because I
Speaker 1: don't really look at him as a rookie. I really
Speaker 1: don't like the way that he played. It didn't remind
Speaker 1: me of a rookie. I know it was his rookie year,
Speaker 1: and he played very well, and I mean there were
Speaker 1: times where hey, look, they're Ceedee Lamb, the rookie that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen in two or three years hopefully. But
Speaker 1: I mean Ultimately, I think he had a good enough
Speaker 1: season to where he was by far the top rookie
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys drafted last year, as you expect him
Speaker 1: to be a first round pick. And also not to mention,
Speaker 1: I think if you put him into the different situation,
Speaker 1: like if you flip flop Justin Jefferson and Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: I think Ceedee Lamb has the same kind of season,
Speaker 1: maybe even better than what Justin Jefferson did, just based
Speaker 1: off of the situations in which they are. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect. I mean there's some key drops that you add,
Speaker 1: especially late in the game against the Giants. So but
Speaker 1: he's man. He is really hard on himself. You talked
Speaker 1: to him after those kind of plays, and he I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be better for it, just like Isaiah
Speaker 1: said about Diggs, I think he's gonna come back stronger
Speaker 1: and try to write some of that stuff. So the
Speaker 1: top three players on this rank of article, I'll get
Speaker 1: to you here and just second, Isaiah, I'll say this
Speaker 1: real quickly. Ceedee Lamb was number one, Trayvon Diggs was
Speaker 1: number two, and Neville Gallimore was number three. That's really simple,
Speaker 1: and it's really easy because guess what rounds. Those guys
Speaker 1: were picked in the first round, the second round, and
Speaker 1: the third round, respectively. So that's what you expect, and
Speaker 1: that's a good draft clash. If you can hit on
Speaker 1: your Day one and Day two picks like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: did to where they had a rookie impact from all
Speaker 1: three of those guys, that's pretty impressive. I say what
Speaker 1: you got. No, I was just gonna ask you if
Speaker 1: you hit now that you have the first year behind you,
Speaker 1: if you had opportunity to swap picks Justin Jefferson or
Speaker 1: a Ceedee Lamb, who are you going with? Ceedee Lamb?
Speaker 1: Still I would still pick Ceedee Lamb? Do you would
Speaker 1: you not? I would still picked Lamb? Oh? There it is.
Speaker 1: I mean CD's a beast. That's that's not Let me
Speaker 1: let me put this out there before before I get destroyed.
Speaker 1: Ceed's a dog. Justin as a dog. They're both dogs.
Speaker 1: They're out, that's out the way. They're both dogs, all right.
Speaker 1: One one is a is a is a pit bull.
Speaker 1: Right one is a freaking mountain lion. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's something some kind of cattle, but
Speaker 1: but he's a big old bear. Wolf right, So justin
Speaker 1: Jefferson is nasty, He's his route running is nasty. CD
Speaker 1: CD lamb route running is cool too. But I think
Speaker 1: I think Jefferson got a little bit more juice. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, they're both dogs. Don't don't. Don't don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want nobody to think that I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: pooping on CD. CD's a dog. But I just just
Speaker 1: throwing it out there, just throwing it out there. If
Speaker 1: you had opportunity to swap it, would you would you
Speaker 1: remain with your draft pick? Would you be alone there?
Speaker 1: I kind of think you'd be alone. You kind of
Speaker 1: poo pooed right there are soooo a little bit you know,
Speaker 1: But I'm justin Jefferson. He showed something, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: just yah was exceptional. Yeah, and again he had his
Speaker 1: like you said, he had his quarterback for the entirety
Speaker 1: of the season, and if CD in those first four games,
Speaker 1: everybody was talking about CD was starting to whisper about
Speaker 1: him being Rookie of the Year. But then quarterback goes
Speaker 1: down and all of that change. And so I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just you can go into ifs and butts on
Speaker 1: that whole thing. If if if CD has his quarterback
Speaker 1: for the entire year. But that's a that's a fair
Speaker 1: question between and Jefferson and CD. So what's your pick.
Speaker 1: I'm still going to CD. I'm not gonna jump in
Speaker 1: a barrel with two. I go CD just because I
Speaker 1: didn't see. You know, I saw the one game with
Speaker 1: George Jefferson. I'm Jefferson. I didn't I didn't see enough
Speaker 1: of his games, but I know what the production was
Speaker 1: definitely there. I just think CD with a full season
Speaker 1: with Dak, I really want to see what that looks like.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I think he's got a chance to be
Speaker 1: really special. For getting me excited over here, Rob don't
Speaker 1: do that all right. So after the first three picks, uh,
Speaker 1: this is kind of the interesting part about this rank
Speaker 1: of article. The next two are really interesting to me
Speaker 1: because you go first round, second round, third round with
Speaker 1: Lamb Digs Gallimore, and then you go to Terrence Steele.
Speaker 1: He's the number four rookie of twenty twenty for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy. He's number five is Hunter Nice Wanders. So
Speaker 1: those two guys, who, I guess even when you started
Speaker 1: the season one, you didn't either expect him to make
Speaker 1: the roster or they actually weren't on the roster and
Speaker 1: hundred nice Wanders case, but I mean both of them
Speaker 1: came in played exceptionally well. In one case, I thought
Speaker 1: one hundred nice Wander was the better punter of Chris
Speaker 1: Jones and hundred nice Wander, and I want to see
Speaker 1: nice Wander in twenty twenty one. But then you had
Speaker 1: Terren Steele, who was definitely thrown into the fire much
Speaker 1: like Treyvon Diggs was early on. But you saw a
Speaker 1: lot of improvement from Terrence Steele. So, Isaiah, what do
Speaker 1: you think about number four and number five on this
Speaker 1: list of the top rookies of twenty twenty. I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm going nice Wander, Yeah, Terrence Steele and Nbati can
Speaker 1: Beotis just wasn't out there enough, okay, but nice nice Wander, right,
Speaker 1: Nice Wander right? Uh, the boy was nice nice. I
Speaker 1: know punters don't get the respect, but being a being
Speaker 1: a former special teams guy, hey, I held this dude
Speaker 1: in high regard. Um he came in and he was
Speaker 1: booting that thing. He was changing the field of possession
Speaker 1: so drastically. He was putting that thing all the way
Speaker 1: inside the ten yard line. Consistently, he was giving our
Speaker 1: gunners the opportunity to down that thing inside the ten,
Speaker 1: inside the five on a normal basis, to the point
Speaker 1: where we were getting used to it, like it was
Speaker 1: almost expected. Like what what do you mean? What do
Speaker 1: you mean you kicked it out of bounds? What do
Speaker 1: you mean you kicked a touchback? What is that? Like?
Speaker 1: You're almost just disgusted that he wasn't putting it inside
Speaker 1: the five yard line? How dare you? Nice wander? Uh So,
Speaker 1: I think I think he definitely is number four. And
Speaker 1: then tea steel he got thrown in there, you know,
Speaker 1: to to the to the flames. That boy was in
Speaker 1: there with the in the lions den and he had
Speaker 1: to fight, you had to fight scratched claw and yeah,
Speaker 1: I hold I have a lot of respect for him
Speaker 1: for being in there and and battling it out and
Speaker 1: staying consistent out there. Um and then you know, be honest,
Speaker 1: came in and had had a big impact when he
Speaker 1: was there, but for whatever reason, he still just couldn't
Speaker 1: edge out edge out loaning rother Okay, uh, I like,
Speaker 1: you know, nice one that did a really good job,
Speaker 1: built us out of a lot of situations, and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously Isaiah took all of the superlatives away with his
Speaker 1: take on and uh, I felt, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with I'm gonna say beyondish instead of still simply
Speaker 1: because of his impact and we've been looking for we
Speaker 1: needed that that juice from the rookie and he came
Speaker 1: in and he provided it. Now, he had a weird
Speaker 1: injury where he straining his hamstring and warm ups. Never
Speaker 1: heard of offensive linemen straining hamstring and warm ups, but
Speaker 1: he accomplished that, So that just moves him up on
Speaker 1: the list just because he was able to do that. Look,
Speaker 1: Terence still to me just had him just undrafted free agent,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, look angels in the outfield story
Speaker 1: for him if he goes to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I just felt as though he had a really rough
Speaker 1: rookie season. Yeah, yeah, I'm heck you and I agree
Speaker 1: on this because I think I think he showed he's
Speaker 1: one of what four potential starters in the rookie class
Speaker 1: so far if you want to count Nice wonder Actually
Speaker 1: Nick kind of cooked the books on this a little bit,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think technically Nice Wonders not a not
Speaker 1: a rookie. But I don't know why that's the case,
Speaker 1: because he because he kicked in the XFL. I guess
Speaker 1: that makes you a pro vet so but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think nice Wonder has a definitely has a chance
Speaker 1: to keep the job. I think they really liked what
Speaker 1: he did. Um, but I you know, Beyondest certainly very
Speaker 1: well could be your starting center next year. Joe Looney's
Speaker 1: a free agent. Kind of goes back to what I
Speaker 1: said about the tackle depth. What can you spend on
Speaker 1: your tackle depth this year? You know, maybe it may
Speaker 1: not work out for Looney to come back this year,
Speaker 1: and you might go to your rookie guy Um along
Speaker 1: with Diggs and and cd and and Gallimore who emerged
Speaker 1: as a starter as well. I fully expect Tyler beyond
Speaker 1: I should be the starter next year. I think the
Speaker 1: only reason he didn't come back in after his injury
Speaker 1: was one just to make sure the injury was fully
Speaker 1: healed going into next season, and then also to keep
Speaker 1: a little bit of the continuity on that offensive line
Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy had so very highly coveted throughout the season.
Speaker 1: Closing out the rest of the top ten, Sean McKeon
Speaker 1: was number seven, the tight end out of Michigan who
Speaker 1: was an undrafted free agent and came in as a
Speaker 1: blocker and really did a pretty nice job on some
Speaker 1: of those heavy packages. Ben de Nucci was number eight.
Speaker 1: Of course, he filled in on a couple of occasions
Speaker 1: and most notably the disaster up in Philadelphia. Number nine
Speaker 1: was Francis Bernard, the undrafted free agent linebacker out of Utah,
Speaker 1: in which I really wanted to see more of. And
Speaker 1: then Rico Dawdle closed out the top ten, the running
Speaker 1: back out of South Carolina who was also an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent. The guy's not making the list Bradley and I.
Speaker 1: We've tried, guys, really yes, and one hundred percent hurts
Speaker 1: and I'm we tried every week. It was a plead
Speaker 1: to the coaching staff to please see Bradley and I
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Randy Gregory coming back really hurt that,
Speaker 1: but I guess it's fine whatever. I'm a little salty,
Speaker 1: but it's cool. Reggie Robinson did not make the list either,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't surprise me either. He was really undersung
Speaker 1: his entire rookie season than Rondelle Carter, who wasn't even
Speaker 1: on the team, he was picked up as an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent, then he was released, went to the Colts,
Speaker 1: then he was released, and then he came back, and
Speaker 1: then he was on the team to end the year.
Speaker 1: So Rondell Carter was also not on the list. But
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys.
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