WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Big Decisions Ahead

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 1>screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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<v Speaker 1>Star in Frisco, Flowing Gold and now your hosts Isaiah Stanback,

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<v Speaker 1>heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's Oh, It's

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous Monday edition of Talking Cowboys from the SWBC

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<v Speaker 1>Mortgage studios here at the Star in Frisco. Welcome in everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>as we break down the championship matchups that just unfolded

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<v Speaker 1>in the Kansas City Chiefs the pride of Phillips preseason

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<v Speaker 1>predictions are going back to the Super Bowl, which I really,

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<v Speaker 1>honestly that probably wasn't the best prediction in the world, because,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody kind of thought that that was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good chance that the Chiefs would find their way

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<v Speaker 1>back to the super Bowl, but the prediction did not

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<v Speaker 1>include Tom Brady going back to the Super Bowl. That's

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<v Speaker 1>time as a member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to talk about it with a former

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<v Speaker 1>teammate of mister Tom Brady, Isaiah stand Back and our

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<v Speaker 1>professional football analyst Heck my Harrison, Rob Phillips would join

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<v Speaker 1>us coming up here in just a little bit. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Yomen's Chris being back in the back as always

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<v Speaker 1>and gentlemen, Yeah, there's a lot to break down from

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday's action, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers taking down the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers initially and then followed up by really a

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<v Speaker 1>dominant performance of the Chiefs over the Buffalo Bills, the uprising,

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<v Speaker 1>red hot Buffalo Bills. But what were your thoughts, Isaiah

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<v Speaker 1>on really what unfolded on Championship Sunday and really the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl matchup that's now in front of us pretty much?

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<v Speaker 1>What I what I thought, man, I thought that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Buffalo has had a good run. But obviously, I mean, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean those guys are who they are, right U

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<v Speaker 1>They're just they're they're they're too powerful on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the ball. Really. But then you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Tampa game, and we knew that was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a tough game. You know, you got to two

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<v Speaker 1>of the best to ever do it. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>really the deciding factor between that game wasn't necessarily between

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<v Speaker 1>the guys on the offenside of the ball. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>their defense. And as soon as uh, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive line of Tampa is very strong, very strong. And

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<v Speaker 1>then as soon as you had to heard the news

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<v Speaker 1>of my U dub mister Vita Vea coming back, you

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<v Speaker 1>knew it was pretty much a rap. That defensive line

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<v Speaker 1>is just too powerful, um, pretty much for any offensive line,

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<v Speaker 1>especially this time of the year. So um, the results

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<v Speaker 1>came out, you know, the obviously TV twelves going back.

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<v Speaker 1>He's that dude, and there all the haters that are

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<v Speaker 1>out there, you really just probably just just just because

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's he's he's nice. I was a hater earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the season, Isaiah because I basically told everybody that

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he was washed and I will eat crow.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gladly because that I was wrong. I was completely wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's not what he was in two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of you saying that, hey, it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady as he was in his prime, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to give away the football game. He tried

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<v Speaker 1>to yesterday on three different occasions. But that defense, my goodness, heck,

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<v Speaker 1>Ma Harrison, if you wanted to model the Cowboys defense

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<v Speaker 1>after a team that like remade a defense in one

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<v Speaker 1>or two seasons. I think Tampa Bay would be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the formation to do that because that defensive line

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<v Speaker 1>is just absolutely nasty and their secondary is pretty darn

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<v Speaker 1>good too. Well. Yeah, especially when you can get you

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<v Speaker 1>can get all of that pressure with just four guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what they're able to manufacturer in this system.

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<v Speaker 1>And man, Jason Pierre Paul, how about him, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that was pretty much written off after he left the

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<v Speaker 1>Giants going to Tampa Bay and this resurgence of his

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<v Speaker 1>career also in Dominican Sue. But man, it's Shack. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not Shack, it's Shack bart Butt, say Griffin, Shack Barrett,

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<v Speaker 1>Shack Barrett. And you know, I talk a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>dogs and we need goons, and but that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about. A guy that is getting off the

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<v Speaker 1>ball like Shack Barrett is literally unstoppable. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>can get that pressure like they did with the front

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<v Speaker 1>four man the guys behind you, your secondary, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to have first round picks at every position. You

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<v Speaker 1>can have some mid level guys and that pressure makes

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<v Speaker 1>the difference in the way that you set up your coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Bows did a masterful job, masterful job against against

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback Aaron Rodgers. That you're not going to stop him.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna You're just not going to stop Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you have to do is take things away,

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<v Speaker 1>pick pick your poison. Right. We know we can't stop Aaron. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna stop this run. What we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>allow you to do is run for two hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 1>And you saw that man with their guys, their secondary,

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<v Speaker 1>their linebackers. Man, just a hard hidden game. But Kyle,

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<v Speaker 1>when you say that Tom Brady isn't what he was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know an oh five man, when you get in

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<v Speaker 1>your forties, Man, you wasn't what you was last month,

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<v Speaker 1>So just wait five time. It's gonna come for you too,

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<v Speaker 1>So you'd be careful how you talk about the seriatric

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<v Speaker 1>people of the world. Man. See, And whenever I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching this game yesterday, there was there was frustration and

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys Nation out there. If you're listening, let me know

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<v Speaker 1>that I wasn't alone because there was definite frustration and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I mean, you waited all year to

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<v Speaker 1>see a dog like maybe a DeMarcus Lawrence. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>DeMarcus Lawrence had a decent ear, but you expect him

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<v Speaker 1>to be what Jason, Peter Paul and Jack Barrett were yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what you expect d law to be. You

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<v Speaker 1>want him off the ball, you want him quick, and

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<v Speaker 1>you want him to see that. And as we welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Phillips back into the show here in just a second,

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<v Speaker 1>look at that nice slide from Rob Phillips and Chris Beam.

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<v Speaker 1>The production value here is just outsolutely unmatched. But Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>when you looked at that defense yesterday from Tampa Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>how can the Cowboys get to that? I know the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive tackle position needs a very nice upgrade in order

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<v Speaker 1>to even get remotely to that that amount of pressure

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<v Speaker 1>in the interior. But off of the edge, with Randy

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<v Speaker 1>Gregory into Marcus Lawrence, they should be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. Yeah, I mean, I it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great question because I think overall those teams are

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<v Speaker 1>where they are because top to bottom they have better players.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that's number one to your point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that Cowboys have some pieces and I think it starts

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<v Speaker 1>with your edge rushers. Um, but I look at like

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<v Speaker 1>a Kansas City team, their secondary just flies around. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a really talented group. Matthew and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of their guys, so Thornhill and connecting. They were connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the Cowboys at one point or another, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they weren't signed or they weren't drafted, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it comes down to it comes down to

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<v Speaker 1>your personnel. Hey, Rob, Yeah, but Pete, Hey, Pete, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you this though, I was thinking of the guy, um,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Whitehead for Tampa. Think about this. We took Dorrence

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong at one sixteen and the safety Jordan Whitehead went

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<v Speaker 1>to Tampa at one seventeen. And don't do that, don't

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<v Speaker 1>play that game, don't draft me. I mean he was,

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<v Speaker 1>he was right there for y'all. Mean it is. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a hard hitting safety that caused two fumbles in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFC Championship game. I mean, so we have we

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<v Speaker 1>have missed on some second day guys, especially some safeties

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft, and I would say Jordan Whitehead would

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<v Speaker 1>be one of them to add to that list as well. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, it's it's funny. I just pop in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, it's the joys of parenthoods wine. Late today

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening. I was listening to a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of dan Quinn on with the PFF guys on their podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and he talked about really what he said it was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot what Mike McCarthy said when he got the

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<v Speaker 1>job last year head coach was players over scheme and

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<v Speaker 1>so and that's dan Quinn's philosophy too. Now that's gotta

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<v Speaker 1>be that's really gotta be a priority because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard that last year, but they tried to implement

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<v Speaker 1>a scheme that I don't know really fit the personnel

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<v Speaker 1>they had. It certainly didn't fit the timeline of the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic and all that. So how can dan Quinn get

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<v Speaker 1>the most out of the guys he's got? And so

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when your personnel is not at a super bowl level,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your scheme and the way you use players

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<v Speaker 1>can overcome some of that. So this is a huge,

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<v Speaker 1>huge role for dan Quinn coming in how he fixes things,

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<v Speaker 1>how he gets guys more comfortable in the roles, understanding

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<v Speaker 1>buying in the roles they are. And we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>some of that last week. That's how you overcome some

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<v Speaker 1>of it, But I don't know how you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>personnel like man to man I don't know how you're

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<v Speaker 1>comparing Cowboys to the teams they're playing for at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a reason why they're there, Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how, especially with all the speculation fellas I

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<v Speaker 1>guess before going to the next team, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>get your roster to that point? Though? Because these is

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<v Speaker 1>clearly the two most talented teams in the league, not

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<v Speaker 1>even a competition, not even a competition, right, So that

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, you know, talent over skiing. They have

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<v Speaker 1>abundance of talent, but they have some pretty dark one

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<v Speaker 1>good schemes to go along with that talent. That knows

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<v Speaker 1>how to put those guys on the hundred pedestal, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they use every every inch of talent that they have

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<v Speaker 1>within all their guys, right, all their guys. Who was that?

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<v Speaker 1>Who was that Perryman? Who who fumbled right on a

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<v Speaker 1>hund return? And most teams will do what sit there, guy? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Sit there? Guy? What do they do? No, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come up with verse with him, and then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>throw the ball to him and put him right back

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<v Speaker 1>in there. He's gonna kill it, right, So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>only the players in a talent level that they have

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<v Speaker 1>but also to trust and the understand that these coaches

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<v Speaker 1>have of the of what they have on the roster.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, especially going into this offseason where

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<v Speaker 1>the salary cap might be adjusted down, most likely be

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<v Speaker 1>adjusted down, right, Like, what do you what can you

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<v Speaker 1>do to catch up to those teams? Well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what can you do? I don't think you can in

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<v Speaker 1>one year? I said that last That's a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said last week, I think it's from a

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<v Speaker 1>personnel standpoint, I think this is like a two or

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<v Speaker 1>three year job to try to get it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>investing draft picks, investing salary cap money. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that. I think you've got to be

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<v Speaker 1>just more sound defensively than you were last year, and

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<v Speaker 1>not give up as many big plays, try to build

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<v Speaker 1>on some of the turnovers you're forced, and then really

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<v Speaker 1>you got to hope that your offense can just supplement

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<v Speaker 1>it with Hey we can we can outscore teams, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Cowboys kind of went through this in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid two thousands, heck, where you know, defensively they were

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<v Speaker 1>in some some transition with their personnel. They had some

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<v Speaker 1>signing guys kind of off the couch to play defensive line,

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<v Speaker 1>but you still had Tony Romoy, still had an offense

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<v Speaker 1>that could put points on the board, and you had

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<v Speaker 1>a running game that help your defensive line too. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've just got to be solid, if not spectacular,

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<v Speaker 1>defensively next year. And if you look at it, just

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<v Speaker 1>say Tampa, if you look at that defense, they've had

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<v Speaker 1>these guys for a couple of years, right, so that

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa defense has been what it's been. They just needed

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<v Speaker 1>that one piece to come in to take them to

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<v Speaker 1>the next level. And you know, obviously football is the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate team sport, but if you look at Tampa and

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers that they were putting up, let's say twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, offensively, they were top ten in the league offensively,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were bottoms as it related to wins and losses.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady comes in, I think worst they get the

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<v Speaker 1>right tackle as well. Just those pieces alone is what

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<v Speaker 1>is excelling this team to get to the next level.

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<v Speaker 1>And also Leonard Fournette, Like, let's stop to get Leonard Fournette,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean he showed up in a major way.

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<v Speaker 1>So just the running game, fresh legs, fresh legs, fresh

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<v Speaker 1>legs and then also being able to get those chunk

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<v Speaker 1>plays and a quarterback. Then again, first half played flawlessly,

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<v Speaker 1>second half a whole nother thing with tip balls and

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<v Speaker 1>just overthrown balls. But the turnover differential, we talked about that, right,

0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady turns the ball over three times, But if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the Cowboys defense when we've had turnovers,

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<v Speaker 1>those have always equated in two points. So three turnovers

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one points. If it's the Cowboys, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>your ball game, right. So it's just all things being considered.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look at and you talk about scheme and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that, what scheme are you going to play?

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<v Speaker 1>Because if we're talking three four and looking at Tampa,

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<v Speaker 1>they're having Dominican Sue, who is a large human human being,

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<v Speaker 1>Vitaby the guy from you dub who is another massive

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<v Speaker 1>person that can take on those double teams and allow

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<v Speaker 1>your linebackers to run free. We tried to do that

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<v Speaker 1>last last year and our guys were getting just just

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<v Speaker 1>dug out of that. So you're paying poison in it

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<v Speaker 1>question quick. First of all, got they had Lashaw McCoy.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot. I saw him in the postgame celebration I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like they do have talent. They have a ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>amount of talent just sitting not even touching the field.

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<v Speaker 1>But but to your point, heck, in terms of them

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<v Speaker 1>saying that they needed that one piece, right, that one

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<v Speaker 1>major piece, right in terms of Tom Brady coming, that

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<v Speaker 1>was you know in their coach said it, right, Brucereans,

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<v Speaker 1>he said it. After the game, they said, well, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, what did this guy mean to you guys coming?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what what do he mean when he came

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<v Speaker 1>to his team and he said he just he made

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<v Speaker 1>them believe in and the skill set they already had. Ye, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>to your to your point, they've had this roster for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute now, right. Obviously, they brought in TV twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>they brought into tackle, they brought in ab they brought

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<v Speaker 1>in Gronkowsky, They brought in some dudes. Now, let's not

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<v Speaker 1>act like they didn't bring it more on one piece.

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<v Speaker 1>They brought some dudes in to solidify their stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but they brought in veterans, They brought in vets.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we started looking towards the offseason, what is

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<v Speaker 1>it that we can do? I know, we swung in

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<v Speaker 1>miss On on eight sitting our business offseason. What is

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<v Speaker 1>it we can do this offseason to play on play

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<v Speaker 1>friendly with the Sellery cap to help us? Like, what

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<v Speaker 1>pieces do we need? Obviously they needed a quarterback in

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<v Speaker 1>some other thoughts, what pieces do we need that we

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<v Speaker 1>could feel the gaps with with better gaps. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>long list, a long list. And that's the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're comparing the Cowboys situation to Tampa

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<v Speaker 1>Bay's situation. Sure, Tampa Bay went from the thirteenth overall

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<v Speaker 1>pick last year. They took an offensive lineman in the

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<v Speaker 1>first they took Antoine Winfield junior in the second round,

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<v Speaker 1>had a pretty good first two rounds. They didn't pick

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<v Speaker 1>again until the fifth round, so they didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>bedvy of draft picks with the majority of their work

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<v Speaker 1>came through free agency and then came through really the

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<v Speaker 1>work throughout an offseason with Tom Brady with his veteran

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't even know what you would call

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<v Speaker 1>that Isaiah, just his knowledge of the game and the

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<v Speaker 1>way that he's the multiplier, he acts as a multiplier

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<v Speaker 1>for the talent that's around him. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>there's that piece out there that might be a one

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<v Speaker 1>time thing. That was Tom Brady being Tom Brady, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's you're not gonna go out there and say, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, that guy on that roster looks pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me go bring him in as a free agent,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden we're gonna be super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl contenders. It's not gonna be. It's not gonna work

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You need a guy like that. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>asking can Dak Prescott be that? Can his return be

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<v Speaker 1>that jolt and that multiplier for the team around you?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've talked about it extensively on this show that

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<v Speaker 1>whenever Dak Prescott went down with the injury in Week five,

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<v Speaker 1>automatically the expect chas changed. They all changed. They all flipped,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what the record was beforehand, no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>the team looked like previously. The expectations changed when Dak

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<v Speaker 1>Prescott went out. Now can they change when he comes

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<v Speaker 1>back in Yes, yeah, of course they can. I like

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<v Speaker 1>I like to think so, fellas, But you guys got

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<v Speaker 1>to remember when you sign a guy like TB twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to all the other free agents, Kyle. They

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<v Speaker 1>came to him, all the other major free agents they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to come to him, right, they fled the Tampa

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<v Speaker 1>Why because they believe in that guy? Right? What else happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Those free agents came? And when those free agents come,

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<v Speaker 1>when Antonio Brown case on your team and you already

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<v Speaker 1>have a Mike Evans in a good way, all those guys, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what does he do to their game? That game has

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<v Speaker 1>to do? What has to elevate it? You bring Gronkowski on,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to your tight end position? Not only is

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<v Speaker 1>he gonna be do what he does, right, but everybody

0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.880
<v Speaker 1>else's game elevates. Right. So it's not about just bringing

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<v Speaker 1>in guys that can do their job. It's about not

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<v Speaker 1>only number one having a guy that everybody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>flock and come play with, right, which is why the

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<v Speaker 1>Houston situation is so serious right now? Right? And then

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<v Speaker 1>but then number number two, you got to bring in

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<v Speaker 1>guys who will elevate the play of everybody else at

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<v Speaker 1>your position, because if that person goes down, they still

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<v Speaker 1>have to be successful. People have to remember, Antonio Brown

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<v Speaker 1>did not play. Antonio Brown didn't play, now and ron

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<v Speaker 1>would have been retired, he wouldn't have played for anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I look at it this way because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's hard to be positive about the way

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<v Speaker 1>the season. We haven't been positive of this first segment.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think, yeah, I think I think if Dak

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<v Speaker 1>Prescott was healthy, they would have won this division. I

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<v Speaker 1>really do. I think they would have had two friends

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<v Speaker 1>and they would have won. So, I mean, he gets healthy,

0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.399
<v Speaker 1>your offense is healthy, your defense makes some strides forward,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think they have to be able to go

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<v Speaker 1>up from where they were. They just have to be

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<v Speaker 1>there'sh so like so like, I think it's reasonable to

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<v Speaker 1>think that they should be favorites to win the division

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<v Speaker 1>at they're healthy next year, and if they do that,

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<v Speaker 1>they give themselves a chance. And the thing about this

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend was like it wasn't just about who's playing

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<v Speaker 1>in the super Bowl. It's like, what's the future of

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<v Speaker 1>the conference now? Because Drew Brees very well may retire.

0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers was really vague about his future now. He

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<v Speaker 1>might if he doesn't go back to Green Bay, might

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<v Speaker 1>wind up on another NFC contender. Adam Schefter was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of hinting at that today. But there may

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<v Speaker 1>be a shift here and there may be actually some

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities that aren't normally there because we're talking about like

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<v Speaker 1>some of the greatest players of all time, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>who you're trying to compete with right now. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what I'm saying, that's the that's the unfair

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<v Speaker 1>comparison when you start talking about Tom Brady because he's

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<v Speaker 1>proven he had skins on the wall, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go and play with Tom Brady because

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<v Speaker 1>of what he's done. You talk about Dak Prescott's leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can tell that this team was a leaderless

0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.800
<v Speaker 1>team once Dak went down, and maybe that was the

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<v Speaker 1>one piece that you needed to be the Philadelphia in Philly,

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<v Speaker 1>right that was the one piece that you may have

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be the Washington football team in Washington. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been the difference maker. All I'm saying like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you take those pieces and say that, oh, one

0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.040
<v Speaker 1>guy can't make the difference, well just switch over to

0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.439
<v Speaker 1>San Francisco. They had a whole lot of pieces. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when they bring on the cornerback, your guy can't

0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.760
<v Speaker 1>think his name and saved my life. Right now, play

0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:04.919
<v Speaker 1>for Seattle went to Stanford, Come somebody else, Wilson, who

0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:13.080
<v Speaker 1>are you talking about corner Richard Sherman, Thank you Sherman. Yeah, yeah, cornerback, Yes,

0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the cornerback. He comes in and he solidifies that secondary mix.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys up front plate to the scheme perfectly, and

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.680
<v Speaker 1>then they're vaulted. They go to the super Bowl. So look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very important when you talk about bringing in veterans

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<v Speaker 1>and guys that can make a difference. There are some

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<v Speaker 1>guys out there can that can make a big difference

0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.679
<v Speaker 1>on your team, especially in the locker room. But we

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<v Speaker 1>keep missing on that thought hack, like we keep passing

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<v Speaker 1>these dudes up and Demicans sue, Nope, we're good. Uh,

0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.800
<v Speaker 1>we're good. You know what I'm saying, Like, come on, man,

0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:54.880
<v Speaker 1>like we're missing on like everybody. It's like Spinyada swings.

0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.000
<v Speaker 1>They then they called Kyle, and Kyle says, yeah, go

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:05.640
<v Speaker 1>pick up po. You know what. Bo was never my guy.

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>It was Hamperson Griffin that I told him I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go sign and then that yeah, either we had

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<v Speaker 1>balloons when yeah, the day after Griffin got signed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that part that was a swing. That was a swing

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<v Speaker 1>of a mess on the Talking Cowboys crew for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I mean that's what's frustrating. That's what's frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>is because Tampa Bay goes and does this whole rebuild

0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and they have all these guys. It's like, Oh, Antonio

0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Brown's not gonna work out. Oh Gronk's not gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>the same as what he was previously. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk through all of these guys and then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, Oh my gosh, they're back to what they

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<v Speaker 1>were and they're playing extremely well. Tom Brady's washed, No,

0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.640
<v Speaker 1>he's not. Now he's leading you to a super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's frustrating. Wait about the whole thing. Why Wait

0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.639
<v Speaker 1>I missed the first three minutes obviously, But were you're

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.520
<v Speaker 1>frustrated because Tampa Bay's in the Super Bowl? Yes, and

0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.240
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys have not had any kind of success. You

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<v Speaker 1>had a one year turnaround, like with Tom Brady. I'm

0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.960
<v Speaker 1>saying that's what's frustrating for me as a Cowboys fan,

0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.080
<v Speaker 1>because I want that to happen. I'm not saying it's

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.480
<v Speaker 1>likely to happen. I'm not saying what Tampa Bay did

0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 1>was likely to happen, but I would like it to

0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.080
<v Speaker 1>happen for the Cowboys. Yeah, well, they just they plugged

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan in a quarterback, and it pretty much what

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<v Speaker 1>happened like it's I mean, yeah, you can't compare him

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody. Not. Here's the even I even debunked my

0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>own thing on Twitter yesterday. I said, you know, Aaron Rodgers,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been saying for ten years, is the greatest I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen. I know, after five minutes, the last five

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.960
<v Speaker 1>minutes of the first half. No, because Rogers throws a pick,

0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Brady gets that deep touchdown, You're like, oh, yeah, he's

0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the goat. Let me, can I debunk what you even

0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.000
<v Speaker 1>just said a moment ago and show you how this

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.840
<v Speaker 1>is No, this is good. No, this is proving to

0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Rob's point. But I'm debunking even even the comparison he made.

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.920
<v Speaker 1>How good were the Washington Wizards Whenever Michael Jordan went

0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 1>over there and you plugged Michael Jordan, actual Michael Jordan

0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and put him on the Washington Wizards, they weren't going

0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.320
<v Speaker 1>to the NBA Finals. Let me tell you that much.

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:58.360
<v Speaker 1>That's how special what Tom Brady is doing. Wasn't he

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Michael Jordan at that point. But that's what I'm saying,

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Araders never happened a lot of people didn't think this

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:11.920
<v Speaker 1>was tom Brady before the season started, including myself. Did

0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you see how sharp tom Brady was that first half.

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's just say quarter, first half, quarter to two the

0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.199
<v Speaker 1>second half, all of those picks are not on him.

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.199
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just gonna say that. Okay, let's say this.

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's say this, with two minutes and twelve seconds left

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.520
<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter, met the the floor made a dumb, dumb,

0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.439
<v Speaker 1>smart decision, so stupid to kick the field goal. But

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.160
<v Speaker 1>you do that. You do that. You do that based

0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.200
<v Speaker 1>off the fact that you have three timehouts and the

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.240
<v Speaker 1>two minute one. But everybody, but everybody in the world

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.119
<v Speaker 1>knows that Tom Brady is across from you and he

0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:50.280
<v Speaker 1>is not gonna let you get the ball back exactly. Yeah, no,

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.760
<v Speaker 1>you can't. That's the greatness of tom Brady right there,

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and that's why he took the ball out of a

0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame quarterbacks hands and then had lka defense.

0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.840
<v Speaker 1>You go out there and stop the greatest quarterback that's

0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 1>ever lit. That's to that point. He did do that. However,

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that Hall of Fame quarterback should have ran the ball

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 1>in Oh yeah, oh, from the second down. I agree, Yes, completely.

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.240
<v Speaker 1>And he said after the game like he didn't necessarily

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 1>run because he thought he was going to have another

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.159
<v Speaker 1>play at it, which I didn't understand that. You just

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<v Speaker 1>run anyway, try to get himself to a closer. That's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a b S. That's a b S. Yeah, that's one.

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<v Speaker 1>He should have ran it in. He that's when every

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback's done it. Every quarterbacks throwing the ball across their

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<v Speaker 1>body thinking that they could fit it in there when

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<v Speaker 1>they literally just if they would have just lifted their

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<v Speaker 1>eyes up half the dog on red sea in front

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<v Speaker 1>of him, that's a walk in touchdown. He bade him

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<v Speaker 1>a pre Paul would have walked him down. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't let him been close. Hey down, my boy. JPP

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<v Speaker 1>might have got there, however, it would have been a

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<v Speaker 1>mida because he had Yes, he only he only got

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<v Speaker 1>three fingers, Isaiah, would he might have missed with two? Isaiah.

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Not every not every quarterback in the NFL can run

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<v Speaker 1>like you do, Okay, not every quarterback can get those

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<v Speaker 1>legs moving and unhooked the trailer a little bit. Okay,

0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you're you're a special break if you're played it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're played it, Kyle, I believe in you. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>in you. Are you saying I could have running in

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<v Speaker 1>for a touchdown for the NFC Championship game to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the SUPERB? All right, you would have one, probably, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have got you would have you would have

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<v Speaker 1>pulled it. You would have dropped a couple of tens

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<v Speaker 1>of a second, yeah, yeah, I would have told I

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<v Speaker 1>would have put the body on the line a little bit. Yeah,

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and then getting care flighted back to the Green Bay Hospital. Yeah,

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 1>no doubt about that. Let's go ahead and take our

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<v Speaker 1>and go into I've got one question here from fans

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<v Speaker 1>I have one Twitter question forsome fans on the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>the back and doing a great job of doing so

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<v Speaker 1>as well. All right, This comes from Kenneth Skumo Junior

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<v Speaker 1>on Fans on the fifty, and he asked, Shouldoby, Xavier Woods,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Lewis do you think all three of these guys

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>are gone this offseason? And then he asked a second question,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask it here in just a moment about some

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>free agent guys. But I want to start with the

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>secondary Shodobe. We've got Woods and you've also got Jordan Lewis.

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<v Speaker 1>All three are free agents this summer. I guess dot summer,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess spring free agents right now. Really to

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<v Speaker 1>get into these talks, but do you think all three

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>of those guys are gone, and we've we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it on this show before. Who would you bring back

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<v Speaker 1>at this very moment. We'll start with you, Isaiah. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate to say it depends, man, but it really depends

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<v Speaker 1>on what you have out there that you can go

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<v Speaker 1>get in free agency. I think that you I would

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<v Speaker 1>prefer to fall back on those guys and not necessarily

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>lead with those guys that if that answers the question,

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<v Speaker 1>I prefer to not bring any of them back. Maybe yeah,

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I prefer to not bring any of them back. I

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<v Speaker 1>just leave it at that. So I'd rather go out

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 1>there and see what I can get. Brings some new

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>guys in with his new regime, and if I can't

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>get all those guys that I really want, then I'll retain,

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, retain the best one at each position. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not necessarily a fan of you have

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<v Speaker 1>any of them. Jordan Lewis. I like, I like some

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that he does, but at the end

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>of the year he kind of those dumb plays kind

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>of proved why he shouldn't be here. M okay, Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of it depends now on what

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<v Speaker 1>dan Quinn thinks, and I go back to that interview

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<v Speaker 1>he did with PFF. We haven't talked to him yet,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>but he's he said, I've got to dive into personnel

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<v Speaker 1>and see who we got and who fits, who we

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<v Speaker 1>can really work with, you know, in so many words,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, And so to Isaiah's point, you know, the

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>secondary as a whole just really struggled. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I thought Jordan Lewis was the best of the

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>group there. Um, I don't know what his free agent

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>market might look like. I could see one of the

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<v Speaker 1>two corners of being back. I definitely could see a

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<v Speaker 1>change at safety, um, based on the way the season went.

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<v Speaker 1>And and that's a huge position in this scheme. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be more of like the zan Quinn

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>schemes we've seen in the past, you got to have

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<v Speaker 1>a free safety that can really cover and has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of range. So, um, I'd say I'd say one

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<v Speaker 1>of the two corners, maybe I'll say Cheeto, say Cheeto

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<v Speaker 1>back and and maybe you know that gives you Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Brown one corner. Digs of course, and then maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>go in the draft and you're looking free agency too

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<v Speaker 1>to try to help yourself there. Hey, And I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you rob when you say it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>up to dan Quinn to make the decision. Look at

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<v Speaker 1>the tape and based off of his evaluation. I would

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<v Speaker 1>be shocked if Woods was back into Calitol uniform next year,

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<v Speaker 1>and also a woozier being back Jordan Lewis just because

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<v Speaker 1>of his skill set. And let's look, let's not also

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>understate the depth that they have. I mean, I believe

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it's it's Kennedy was one Robinson and I'm not talking

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>about the the rookie rochon, so it's not Richard Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not really a lot of depth there. Especially going

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>towards the end of the year. I think I was

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>looking at who is that? Who's this greatness that come

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>from lad for So it's a you know, we have

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to solidify our secondary. But again in the first segment,

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about teams that can get pressure with

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>just four down linement, you may be able to get

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>away with some of those midlevel guys they're in free agency,

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>or let's just say, if you do bring back a

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Cheeto and Lewis, a lot of these guys right now,

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>they just got to test the market to see what's

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>out there, and it may not be as favorable for

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>them either, so they may end up, just by a

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>process of elimination, end up being back. When you talk

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>about Lewis and Cheetah, yeah, I think I would flip

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>a coin on the corners. I'd be fine with one

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>of those two guys coming back, Jordan Lewis or Cheeto.

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I think both of them are pretty much right there,

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>even in my thought process of how they would fit

0:31:56.080 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>into a dan Quinn system. I'm fine with letting Xavier walk.

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine trying to go find a safety. There's a

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>couple of safeties in the second in the third round,

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>like a treyvon mooreg out of TCU or Darius Washington

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>also out of TCU. I mean there's some senior Bowl

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>guys I'm looking at over the next three days that

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>our safety said I'm interested in maybe picking up on

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>day two or early day three. So I would probably

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>flip a coin on the corners. One of those two

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>guys I would I would like to maybe keep just

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>for debt purposes and because they started, because they know

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:27.479
<v Speaker 1>the system, they know the team, and they know the

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>locker room. But yeah, I don't. I don't see multiple

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>guys coming back. I really don't now. And another thing,

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>let me go for Kyle. Another thing you may want

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>to check, you know, free agents coming from Atlanta, because yeah,

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>you've we found that a lot of times when when

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>coaches moved to other teams, they'll take their guys with them.

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>We saw that last year with Malie Collins going to

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas. So Kean O'Neill the free agent, and he's

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be a free agent of free safety for Atlanta.

0:32:56.760 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 1>He may be a guy that comes off get Jeff

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>eat as well, you know, but they're just guys that

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>travel with coaches and so we may have a little

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 1>bit of that as well with guys signing onto the

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys roster, you know. And I'm glad you brought up

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that point because Atlanta didn't really have a ton of guys.

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:15.959
<v Speaker 1>Let's just talk about if you thought the Cowboys had

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>a depth issue at safety, so did Atlanta. Atlanta also

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 1>had that depth or not even at safety, but at corner,

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>defensive back or whatever. That secondary was depleted as well

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>for the Falcons last year. And Rob brought up the

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>point in the first segment about Dan Quinn and the

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 1>scheme or talent over scheme, players over scheme in terms

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>of evaluation and personnel, and I thought that was the case,

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's nice to hear him say that because I

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>feel like that's kind of what we want here in Dallas.

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, you look at what their

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>draft history was a year ago. They could have very

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>easily taken Cede Lamb at number sixteen. Instead, they went

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>with A. J. Teller's the corner out of Clemson because

0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>he ended up fitting a need and he was taking

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe forty picks too high. To my regard, I had

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Treyvon Diggs over AJ tell Or I think it was Teller.

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I keep saying. I think I might say his name wrong,

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.439
<v Speaker 1>but Terrell Terrell is his name last year. So AJ

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.919
<v Speaker 1>Terrell was the Clemson corner. I had Treyvon Diggs higher

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>than AJ Terrell and they ended up picking him because

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>he fit a need. So Rob, do you think that's

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>him saying that maybe based on his own thought process.

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I know he's not going to be a huge part

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>in the draft process, but so was Rod Marinelli in

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the previous years. He don't necessarily want that kind of

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 1>interaction costing you some picks. Well, I think number one,

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what Mike McCarthy has said when since he's

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>had the job, that's what you have to do. I

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>think most coaches would say that too, that you had

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 1>It's it's your responsibility to put the players in the

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>best spots. So I think that's general coaching one on

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 1>one in a way. But I think it is important.

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I do think. I think in this particular situation, it's

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of the it's kind of a good marriage because

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>we talked about how they've played this scheme in one

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>form or another in the past. They know it can

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>work with some of the players they have already, so there.

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't he's not coming in trying to reinvent the wheel,

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>so I think the scheme in itself will probably fit

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the team better anyway. Um, But yeah, I think when

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 1>we talked about he has worked in some other schemes,

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>so I think he you know, he's got enough versatility

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>where he can he can kind of mold things to

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the players that that fit well. But I think overall,

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see you know, we're gonna see a four

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 1>three scheme here. We'll cover three all that good stuff. Isaiah. Yeah,

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a role's point. I think he's I mean,

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>he knows what he's doing and he knows the talent

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>that he has. I know everything that I've seen from him,

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>he's been able to get the most out of every player.

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that we have axtreme lack of talent.

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 1>I think we have a streme lack of confidence. Uh

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>in guy's abilities. I think that you the guys that

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you currently have on a roster, I think you can

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>get everything out of them and be a very productive defense.

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 1>I really do. And now that doesn't take away from

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the fact that I think we still need some additional pieces.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>I think I definitely think we need some guys who

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 1>are better than what we currently have. But if you can't,

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>if you had to go into next year with the

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.600
<v Speaker 1>current roster that you have on defense, you have the

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.280
<v Speaker 1>enough enough talent on the defensive line, at the linebacker position,

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 1>in the secondary to get what you need out simply

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>because of what we started out this this whole podcast

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 1>talking about, which is the defensive line of Tampa Bay.

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>We have a solid defensive line here too. If guys

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>are playing with confidence, if guys are playing with a

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>scheme that highlights their abilities in their and their skill sets.

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 1>So when you have a defense accordity that put you

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>in a in a position to be successful, then all

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, your game elevates. And I think that's

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>what that's what coach Point is gonna be able to

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>come in and do. Yeah, he just needs guys in

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.479
<v Speaker 1>a smart that are able to pick up this game.

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>And regardless of you know, what they played last year.

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 1>You look at if you look around the league like

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 1>we're making so much of three or four versus four three,

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>what is your base? Teams play a variety of schemes

0:36:58.400 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and you just have to be able to pick it

0:36:59.920 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>up up and execute. Jalen Smith too, is if I

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>could just take out one person that had the worst

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty just based off of the fact that he

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand what he was doing. Nobody had play real

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>time live with live AMMO out there not knowing what

0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>you're doing. So putting guys in the right this one thing.

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Just hold on, hold yeah, hold on, Haman, who me?

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 1>You saw the film? Yeah, you watch them? Watch the film.

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Come on now, I watch the film. I watched the film.

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I just see guys missing, you know, missing the scheme

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>hadn't just settled with these guys. So look, defensively, whatever

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>dan Quinn does, he knows that he's, you know, the sky.

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>The own thing that he has is to go up

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>right because of where they were. Confidence wise, like you said, Isaiah,

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 1>confidence is shot right because all of these guys saw

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>what happened to them in twenty twenty. You gotta build

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 1>them up. But at the same time, if you're just

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna say I'm gonna get this guy and he's gonna

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:00.720
<v Speaker 1>be a plug and play guy, you may be setting

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>yourself up with disaster. Again. He's got to be a

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.160
<v Speaker 1>proven he got to be a guy that's shown you

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that he can make plays and not just based off

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>of some reputation that you're going to give him. Yeah,

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and I think there's a bunch of guys like that

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 1>either interchangeable, and I think the defense needs a complete overhaul.

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 1>And so the fact that there's a couple of a

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.280
<v Speaker 1>couple of guys in the secondary that you could easily

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>do that for, I wouldn't be against doing so. Okay,

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>second part of Kenneth Shumo's question was offensive linemen and

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:32.839
<v Speaker 1>defensive Lineman, any pieces to pick up in free agency

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.879
<v Speaker 1>that could potentially help this overhaul of the defense, Rob

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 1>do you know of any names off the top of

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>your head that the Cowboys could potentially be targeting? No,

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>not stop my head. It's kind of early for that.

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 1>It did as well, they need to, I think I

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, you know, not to be repetitive, but I

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:53.319
<v Speaker 1>think dan Quinn has to figure out with who he

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>has on the roster, who can fit with what he's

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 1>trying to do, and or who can who he can

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.240
<v Speaker 1>really work with and build around. You know, I think

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I think on the offensive line, they're they're okay as

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.760
<v Speaker 1>long as they're as long as they're healthy. The biggest

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>question to me is what do you do at the

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 1>backup tackle spot? Because Cam Irving, I think is a

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>very solid veteran backup swing tackle. But can you afford

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.919
<v Speaker 1>that veteran player to be a backup in a cap

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>situation year like this one? I don't know. And how

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>do you feel about Brandon Knight and Terrence Steele? They

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>got a lot of snaps this year. Did they show

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>you enough? Um? You know, they might have to roll

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>with one of those two guys this year? Depending on

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the way the cap breaks down. Um, and then obviously

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, defensive line, I think I think they've got

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>some pieces. I think you get Tristan hill Back. I

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 1>think he fits that four three scheme. If that's mostly

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 1>what they're gonna run, I think he fits it pretty good.

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:56.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's up the field, smaller penetrating defensive tackle.

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I think that fits what Rod Marinelli wanted

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>and probably Dan Quinn too. So I think there are

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>some pieces there. But the biggest questions on defense to

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>me or in the secondary, because you have so many

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 1>free agents and you really struggled there anyway from a

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>production standpoint. Yeah, Kyle, I just look at Yeah, the

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 1>question is, you know, as far as free agency, anyone

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that we may be looking at. You have guys like

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Lennon Williams defensive lineman tackle for the Giants. You have

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Puna Ford one tech at Seattle, Jonathan Hankins from Las Vegas,

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a defensive tackle. You know, there are a bunch of

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>guys that are going to be available. And we've also

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>had seen the rumors with Daniel Jeremiah with NFL Network

0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>saying that Piney Soul may fall to the Cowboys at ten. So,

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's very that's very interesting as to what

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 1>you would do then with Smith in his contract, how

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>does that move? I mean, he's pretty much he has

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 1>an ironclad deal. Uh, it's from from the Cowboys. So

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 1>how does how do you approach that? And they have

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 1>to start looking at it that way, because look, if

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>it's just through injury that we're not gonna be able

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 1>to have the stuff that we've had all these years,

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>then we may have to start looking at moving on.

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 1>How does Lell come back from the hip the lay room.

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:22.839
<v Speaker 1>There's there's so many things that are up in the

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>air that we have to address. And I'm sorry, Tara,

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 1>still thank you for stepping in, but I don't want

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.319
<v Speaker 1>to see that next this year. I just don't, right,

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>so that we don't have to pray Hail Mary every

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.800
<v Speaker 1>time he Keith straps up, because that's that's just what

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I can't do that hack ahead with that all right now?

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Bye bye? Then thank you, Yeah, thank you, thank you

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 1>for your service. You know isam, But but I but

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know. Heck, how you draft

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>anything other than defense at ten? I know that's yeah,

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going you guys labeled me best of all, Like I,

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I think you have to go need it. You cannot No, no, no, no, Rob, no, Pe,

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna do that. M not on this show.

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>So so, if if it was available, if Rob was

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 1>going to continue his best player Available march where he

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 1>is going down the street and he is marching to

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the beat of the druma best player available, he would

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.319
<v Speaker 1>pick Kyle Pitts, probably at ten, and you would pick

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Pitts at number ten overall. I don't know if

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Kyle the heck do you do that? He

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 1>may be in the Hall of Fame in fifteen years,

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 1>but I just don't know how you do that? How

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 1>do you say that? And not? If you if you

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 1>love the tight end position Kelsey Kittle and you see

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.319
<v Speaker 1>what it does for other teams, how could you not?

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 1>We just spent forty minutes talking about the defense and

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>how do you text it? And so we got a

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>tight end at ten. I'm hey, look, I'm just if

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna you, you shoved it down my throat BP

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 1>A BPA, So don't change up on me now, Rob

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Isaiah stand back. You are now the interim GM of

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Cowboys Talking Cowboys Podcast. Okay, you're at number

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>ten right now. You've got Kyle Pitts on the table.

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 1>He's your sixth rated player overall at ten. Then you've

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.240
<v Speaker 1>got Caleb Farley on the table, he's your twelfth rated

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>player overall. And Christian Barrowmore, who's number fifteen overall. Who

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 1>do you take? Who do you pull the trigger on? Isaiah?

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys Nation is leaning upon you? Yeah, you didn't say,

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>was it a certain certain Yeah? He's lower than Farley?

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:48.839
<v Speaker 1>What's his name? That's what I'm getting. That's what I'm getting. Defense. Yeah,

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I would not if the tight end presents himself first. Yeah,

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking the tight end. I just gave you the scenario.

0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I just gave you three players that you have. I know,

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm taking a boyfriend, pitt the tight end,

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.439
<v Speaker 1>the tight end. I'm just I'm just talking about Okay,

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean work across Kyle, Okay, okay, uh, But you

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>take the tight end because you have ability to secure

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>yet another position, even though you have some guys, even

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 1>though you're ready to give it up some money right there.

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>You have to rework some things. You have to get

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.080
<v Speaker 1>some trades off whatever you gotta do. But you have

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:22.319
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to solidify young talent, solidify young talent, and

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.200
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to surround your quarterback with young talent. Uh,

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm he's a beast, So I mean you have

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:29.799
<v Speaker 1>to you have to lock that in, right. So, but

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I want a corner. If I'm a GM, I want

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a corner, and you need you need a shutdown corner.

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 1>You either need a shut down corner or you need

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>a corner that's really good that's gonna play well with

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 1>with with digs, right, and then guess what. Then you

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 1>gotta go out there and get you some safeties in

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:50.279
<v Speaker 1>free agency. But either way, I prefer to get a

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 1>secondary guy. Now. I don't want to just want a

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>safety in the draft. I want a corner, a shutdown

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 1>corner in the draft. And I'll go out there and

0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I'll find me some free agents or some some young

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>guys later on in a in a draft to solidify

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 1>your safety position. Because once you once you lock up

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>your secondary, your front seven, you have talent there, can

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you get the most out of them? Right now, you

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 1>don't have talent in your secondary, No, you do not,

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and you need to find some salent in that secondary

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 1>as well. Now, the Cowboys did take a pretty premium

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 1>pick at a secondary player last year in Trey Von Diggs.

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Where does he rank among the rookies on this Cowboys team.

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about a rank them article that was

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:32.560
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0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:34.680
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<v Speaker 1>Yeoman's final couple minutes. And there was a rank OFM

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<v Speaker 1>article Rob Phillips that was put on Dallas Cowboys dot

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<v Speaker 1>com a little bit ago, but we didn't get a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to talk about it last week, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wanted to go through it. And somehow my

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<v Speaker 1>So the rankum rookies picking the Cowboys top ten rookies

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenteen. Before I go through kind of the

0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the actual results of this, I want to hear who

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<v Speaker 1>your top rookie was of twenty twenty. Isaiah. We'll start

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 1>with you on that. No, let's go with that my first,

0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 1>because I know he would probably feel the pressure of this.

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:10.560
<v Speaker 1>But who was your top rookie of twenty twenty? And why,

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:18.680
<v Speaker 1>oh wait, that is tough. Um golly, I'm gonna have

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to go Ceede Lamb And that's the that's the easy

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>way out, man. And this is he came up big

0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 1>in games, and I really want to pick Trayvon Biggs,

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, Ceedee Lamb would would be it. I think

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>he played above and beyond. I think those first four

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 1>games with Dak you could tell man that he was

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 1>just his trajectory was through the roof and the type

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of season that he was about to have. But even

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:44.320
<v Speaker 1>with some of the substitutes, some of the other guys

0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:47.320
<v Speaker 1>coming in, he still maintained has some key drops in games,

0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:55.120
<v Speaker 1>but still Ceedee Lamb was a bright spot. All right, Isaiah,

0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm torn on this one. I think CD is the

0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.720
<v Speaker 1>easy answer. I think when you think about long term potential,

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.759
<v Speaker 1>in long term growth from this year, I I gotta

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 1>go with Dicks. I was excuse me. I was hard

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 1>on Dicks as he should have been hard on him.

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but he faced the best NFL has to

0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:16.319
<v Speaker 1>throw at him, hands down, and I think that as

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.839
<v Speaker 1>bad as it was for him this year, it's kind

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 1>of like the big brother beating you up, and you

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:22.279
<v Speaker 1>come back the next year and guess what, everybody doesn't

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 1>seem that bad. So I think that going into next

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.479
<v Speaker 1>year he will make leaps and bounds. But he needed

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.280
<v Speaker 1>to get that that whoop that boot this year first,

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:35.640
<v Speaker 1>had to get the trial by fire a little bit there. Absolutely, Yeah,

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what That's what y'all said. Y'all say, throw

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>him to the fire. So that's what happened. That's what

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 1>exactly we did. So that's what happened. Yeah, Rob, who

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 1>was your top rookie? I'd have to say CD. I

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:48.480
<v Speaker 1>know that's the easy answer. But he played every game

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.839
<v Speaker 1>and I think you saw Pro Bowl potential just like

0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you expected when you drafted him. The numbers weren't the

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>best among the rookie class. Um he did play with

0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.919
<v Speaker 1>four different quarterbacks, and he's also sharing a passing game

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:04.240
<v Speaker 1>with Amari Cooper who had ninety something catches, and Michael

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 1>gallup so and Dalton Scholtz at sixty three about that, so,

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought, you know, he flashed some plays where you're like, wow,

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:13.759
<v Speaker 1>he could definitely be a star in this league. And

0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I think Diggs did too, but he missed think he

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.840
<v Speaker 1>missed a month and he did give up some big plays.

0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I think though, when you look at the class overall,

0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 1>it looks promising, especially with maybe four out of the

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>of the class, looks looks really promising, if not Pro bowlers,

0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 1>then starters. It was funny whenever Nick Eatman asked me

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<v Speaker 1>for my list of rookies to go through Rob, I

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 1>actually left Ceedee Lamb completely off the list because I

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.319
<v Speaker 1>don't really look at him as a rookie. I really

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 1>don't like the way that he played. It didn't remind

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 1>me of a rookie. I know it was his rookie year,

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 1>and he played very well, and I mean there were

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.319
<v Speaker 1>times where hey, look, they're Ceedee Lamb, the rookie that's

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.759
<v Speaker 1>not gonna happen in two or three years hopefully. But

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean Ultimately, I think he had a good enough

0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.640
<v Speaker 1>season to where he was by far the top rookie

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>that the Cowboys drafted last year, as you expect him

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to be a first round pick. And also not to mention,

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I think if you put him into the different situation,

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.399
<v Speaker 1>like if you flip flop Justin Jefferson and Ceedee Lamb,

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I think Ceedee Lamb has the same kind of season,

0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe even better than what Justin Jefferson did, just based

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 1>off of the situations in which they are. And it

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't perfect. I mean there's some key drops that you add,

0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 1>especially late in the game against the Giants. So but

0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 1>he's man. He is really hard on himself. You talked

0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to him after those kind of plays, and he I

0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 1>think he's gonna be better for it, just like Isaiah

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.800
<v Speaker 1>said about Diggs, I think he's gonna come back stronger

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and try to write some of that stuff. So the

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 1>top three players on this rank of article, I'll get

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to you here and just second, Isaiah, I'll say this

0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>real quickly. Ceedee Lamb was number one, Trayvon Diggs was

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 1>number two, and Neville Gallimore was number three. That's really simple,

0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:56.479
<v Speaker 1>and it's really easy because guess what rounds. Those guys

0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:58.520
<v Speaker 1>were picked in the first round, the second round, and

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the third round, respectively. So that's what you expect, and

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:03.319
<v Speaker 1>that's a good draft clash. If you can hit on

0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 1>your Day one and Day two picks like the Cowboys

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.279
<v Speaker 1>did to where they had a rookie impact from all

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 1>three of those guys, that's pretty impressive. I say what

0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 1>you got. No, I was just gonna ask you if

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 1>you hit now that you have the first year behind you,

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:20.320
<v Speaker 1>if you had opportunity to swap picks Justin Jefferson or

0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:22.479
<v Speaker 1>a Ceedee Lamb, who are you going with? Ceedee Lamb?

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Still I would still pick Ceedee Lamb? Do you would

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 1>you not? I would still picked Lamb? Oh? There it is.

0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean CD's a beast. That's that's not Let me

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.440
<v Speaker 1>let me put this out there before before I get destroyed.

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Ceed's a dog. Justin as a dog. They're both dogs.

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.719
<v Speaker 1>They're out, that's out the way. They're both dogs, all right.

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:48.959
<v Speaker 1>One one is a is a is a pit bull.

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Right one is a freaking mountain lion. I don't know,

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He's something some kind of cattle, but

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>but he's a big old bear. Wolf right, So justin

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Jefferson is nasty, He's his route running is nasty. CD

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.439
<v Speaker 1>CD lamb route running is cool too. But I think

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I think Jefferson got a little bit more juice. So

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, they're both dogs. Don't don't. Don't don't.

0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't want nobody to think that I'm I'm I'm

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:13.880
<v Speaker 1>pooping on CD. CD's a dog. But I just just

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 1>throwing it out there, just throwing it out there. If

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 1>you had opportunity to swap it, would you would you

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 1>remain with your draft pick? Would you be alone there?

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I kind of think you'd be alone. You kind of

0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 1>poo pooed right there are soooo a little bit you know,

0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:31.279
<v Speaker 1>But I'm justin Jefferson. He showed something, man, I mean,

0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:35.400
<v Speaker 1>just yah was exceptional. Yeah, and again he had his

0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:38.480
<v Speaker 1>like you said, he had his quarterback for the entirety

0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.760
<v Speaker 1>of the season, and if CD in those first four games,

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 1>everybody was talking about CD was starting to whisper about

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>him being Rookie of the Year. But then quarterback goes

0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>down and all of that change. And so I mean,

0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just you can go into ifs and butts on

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that whole thing. If if if CD has his quarterback

0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 1>for the entire year. But that's a that's a fair

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:03.439
<v Speaker 1>question between and Jefferson and CD. So what's your pick.

0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm still going to CD. I'm not gonna jump in

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:12.040
<v Speaker 1>a barrel with two. I go CD just because I

0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't see. You know, I saw the one game with

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.919
<v Speaker 1>George Jefferson. I'm Jefferson. I didn't I didn't see enough

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 1>of his games, but I know what the production was

0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:23.000
<v Speaker 1>definitely there. I just think CD with a full season

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:24.960
<v Speaker 1>with Dak, I really want to see what that looks like.

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I think he's got a chance to be

0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.439
<v Speaker 1>really special. For getting me excited over here, Rob don't

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 1>do that all right. So after the first three picks, uh,

0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:36.319
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of the interesting part about this rank

0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:38.960
<v Speaker 1>of article. The next two are really interesting to me

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:41.600
<v Speaker 1>because you go first round, second round, third round with

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Lamb Digs Gallimore, and then you go to Terrence Steele.

0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 1>He's the number four rookie of twenty twenty for the

0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Dallas Cowboy. He's number five is Hunter Nice Wanders. So

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:54.880
<v Speaker 1>those two guys, who, I guess even when you started

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the season one, you didn't either expect him to make

0:55:57.480 --> 0:55:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the roster or they actually weren't on the roster and

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.919
<v Speaker 1>hundred nice Wanders case, but I mean both of them

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.839
<v Speaker 1>came in played exceptionally well. In one case, I thought

0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 1>one hundred nice Wander was the better punter of Chris

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Jones and hundred nice Wander, and I want to see

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:12.839
<v Speaker 1>nice Wander in twenty twenty one. But then you had

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Terren Steele, who was definitely thrown into the fire much

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 1>like Treyvon Diggs was early on. But you saw a

0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of improvement from Terrence Steele. So, Isaiah, what do

0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you think about number four and number five on this

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 1>list of the top rookies of twenty twenty. I'm going

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going nice Wander, Yeah, Terrence Steele and Nbati can

0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Beotis just wasn't out there enough, okay, but nice nice Wander, right,

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Nice Wander right? Uh, the boy was nice nice. I

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 1>know punters don't get the respect, but being a being

0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a former special teams guy, hey, I held this dude

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:51.640
<v Speaker 1>in high regard. Um he came in and he was

0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:54.920
<v Speaker 1>booting that thing. He was changing the field of possession

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.879
<v Speaker 1>so drastically. He was putting that thing all the way

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 1>inside the ten yard line. Consistently, he was giving our

0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 1>gunners the opportunity to down that thing inside the ten,

0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.520
<v Speaker 1>inside the five on a normal basis, to the point

0:57:05.520 --> 0:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>where we were getting used to it, like it was

0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:09.080
<v Speaker 1>almost expected. Like what what do you mean? What do

0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you mean you kicked it out of bounds? What do

0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:12.680
<v Speaker 1>you mean you kicked a touchback? What is that? Like?

0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:15.480
<v Speaker 1>You're almost just disgusted that he wasn't putting it inside

0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the five yard line? How dare you? Nice wander? Uh So,

0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he definitely is number four. And

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:22.960
<v Speaker 1>then tea steel he got thrown in there, you know,

0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to to the to the flames. That boy was in

0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:27.480
<v Speaker 1>there with the in the lions den and he had

0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to fight, you had to fight scratched claw and yeah,

0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I hold I have a lot of respect for him

0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:34.800
<v Speaker 1>for being in there and and battling it out and

0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.680
<v Speaker 1>staying consistent out there. Um and then you know, be honest,

0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 1>came in and had had a big impact when he

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>was there, but for whatever reason, he still just couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>edge out edge out loaning rother Okay, uh, I like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, nice one that did a really good job,

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<v Speaker 1>built us out of a lot of situations, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously Isaiah took all of the superlatives away with his

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<v Speaker 1>take on and uh, I felt, you know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go with I'm gonna say beyondish instead of still simply

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<v Speaker 1>because of his impact and we've been looking for we

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<v Speaker 1>needed that that juice from the rookie and he came

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<v Speaker 1>in and he provided it. Now, he had a weird

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<v Speaker 1>injury where he straining his hamstring and warm ups. Never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of offensive linemen straining hamstring and warm ups, but

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<v Speaker 1>he accomplished that, So that just moves him up on

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<v Speaker 1>the list just because he was able to do that. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>Terence still to me just had him just undrafted free agent,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, look angels in the outfield story

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<v Speaker 1>for him if he goes to the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>I just felt as though he had a really rough

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<v Speaker 1>rookie season. Yeah, yeah, I'm heck you and I agree

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<v Speaker 1>on this because I think I think he showed he's

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<v Speaker 1>one of what four potential starters in the rookie class

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<v Speaker 1>so far if you want to count Nice wonder Actually

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<v Speaker 1>Nick kind of cooked the books on this a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't think technically Nice Wonders not a not

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<v Speaker 1>a rookie. But I don't know why that's the case,

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<v Speaker 1>because he because he kicked in the XFL. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that makes you a pro vet so but yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think nice Wonder has a definitely has a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the job. I think they really liked what

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<v Speaker 1>he did. Um, but I you know, Beyondest certainly very

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<v Speaker 1>well could be your starting center next year. Joe Looney's

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<v Speaker 1>a free agent. Kind of goes back to what I

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<v Speaker 1>said about the tackle depth. What can you spend on

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<v Speaker 1>your tackle depth this year? You know, maybe it may

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<v Speaker 1>not work out for Looney to come back this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might go to your rookie guy Um along

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<v Speaker 1>with Diggs and and cd and and Gallimore who emerged

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<v Speaker 1>as a starter as well. I fully expect Tyler beyond

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<v Speaker 1>I should be the starter next year. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>only reason he didn't come back in after his injury

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<v Speaker 1>was one just to make sure the injury was fully

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<v Speaker 1>healed going into next season, and then also to keep

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the continuity on that offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>that Mike McCarthy had so very highly coveted throughout the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Closing out the rest of the top ten, Sean McKeon

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<v Speaker 1>was number seven, the tight end out of Michigan who

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<v Speaker 1>was an undrafted free agent and came in as a

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<v Speaker 1>blocker and really did a pretty nice job on some

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<v Speaker 1>of those heavy packages. Ben de Nucci was number eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he filled in on a couple of occasions

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<v Speaker 1>and most notably the disaster up in Philadelphia. Number nine

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<v Speaker 1>was Francis Bernard, the undrafted free agent linebacker out of Utah,

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<v Speaker 1>in which I really wanted to see more of. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Rico Dawdle closed out the top ten, the running

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<v Speaker 1>back out of South Carolina who was also an undrafted

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<v Speaker 1>free agent. The guy's not making the list Bradley and I.

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<v Speaker 1>We've tried, guys, really yes, and one hundred percent hurts

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm we tried every week. It was a plead

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<v Speaker 1>to the coaching staff to please see Bradley and I

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. Randy Gregory coming back really hurt that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess it's fine whatever. I'm a little salty,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's cool. Reggie Robinson did not make the list either,

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<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't surprise me either. He was really undersung

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<v Speaker 1>his entire rookie season than Rondelle Carter, who wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>on the team, he was picked up as an undrafted

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<v Speaker 1>free agent, then he was released, went to the Colts,

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<v Speaker 1>then he was released, and then he came back, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he was on the team to end the year.

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<v Speaker 1>So Rondell Carter was also not on the list. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna do it for us here on Talking Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us here over the last our special

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<v Speaker 1>thanks as always to Chris Beam and Aaron Gonzalez in

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<v Speaker 1>the back. I saw him back there on the webax

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit earlier, but for Heck Harrison, for Rob Phillipson,

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<v Speaker 1>for Isaiah stand Back, I'm Kyle Yeoman's be sure to

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