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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, How are you doing well? Quiet? How about you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm still I'm still recovering from the Truro riot.

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Speaker 2: I know, man, I'm telling you really took one for

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Speaker 2: the team on that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Any listen, buddy, do you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I do, Elizabeth. Did you know it used to be

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Speaker 2: legal for people to send children by mail? To send

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Speaker 2: children babies by mail? Really, they could slaps postage on

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Speaker 2: a baby and they would deliver the baby everything I

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Speaker 2: just said about that, Yes, Like you know, you get

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Speaker 2: an envelope, you just like put stamps on it, and

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Speaker 2: then if someone comes and picks it up and they

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Speaker 2: deliver it to the address that you also a fixed

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Speaker 2: to that same thing. So if you can get an

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Speaker 2: address fixed to a baby, put some stamps on it,

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Speaker 2: they will deliver it. This is a real thing.

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Speaker 3: You are a limit to how far away this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you newspapers dot com check out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: go back to the beginning of the last century, their Night,

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Speaker 2: early nineteen hundred, and you'll notice that the post office

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Speaker 2: they basically as we think of them, they kind of

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Speaker 2: kicks off in nineteen thirteen, so then there'd be these

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Speaker 2: news stories in nineteen thirteen about uh, you know, Ohio

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Speaker 2: couple sending their eight month old son. They mailed their

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Speaker 2: son to his grandmother. But this only lived a few

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Speaker 2: miles away, so it's kind of like a cutesee thing, right.

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Speaker 2: The baby was just shy of the eleven pound weight

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Speaker 2: limit that the packages sent by parcel post, so it

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Speaker 2: was considered a delivery, and it costs fifteen cents to

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Speaker 2: have the baby mailed the two.

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Speaker 3: Miles very young.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did not. They also they did. They did

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Speaker 2: insure the child for fifty dollars. They insured the child.

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Speaker 3: They did. I'm thinking it's like a toddler.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like a pretty big gime.

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Speaker 3: Eleven pounds you and haven't been out, You haven't been

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Speaker 3: out in the open air for a while in too long.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen fourteen, a four year old girl was mailed

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Speaker 2: by a train from Idaho to seventy three miles away.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, someone's like, send me a baby. You mean

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Speaker 2: to picture him? Like, oh, did they put the baby

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Speaker 2: in the campus sack and then the train went by

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Speaker 2: and tied it on the hook and throw it in back. Now,

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Speaker 2: the postal person was related to the family, so the

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Speaker 2: clerk was like, oh, I will be taking them on

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Speaker 2: the railway. So yeah, that one was. But the baby

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Speaker 2: were like they threw it in there. But anyway, in

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Speaker 2: a like, if you go back to June fourteenth, nineteen thirteen,

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Speaker 2: you will notice a bunch of newspapers running the same

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Speaker 2: story about sending a baby around. So there you go,

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Speaker 2: there's one to look for. Interesting anyway. Yeah, eventually they

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Speaker 2: had new regulations on what could be sent in the parcel,

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Speaker 2: and then eventually you could no longer send babies. But

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Speaker 2: for a while on when they didn't really have their

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Speaker 2: rules worked out, you get that baby ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Right, that is ridiculous. Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: No? I was hoping you did, because I do not.

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Speaker 2: I was it. I just told you.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Diamonds, a jigglow, a con artist, a cardinal, a queen,

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Speaker 3: and a revolution. Oh wow, this is ridiculous crime A

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Speaker 3: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers high syn cons. It's

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Speaker 3: always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I know you heard that I know I heard it too.

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Speaker 3: We are going as the great Huey Lewis saying, I

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Speaker 3: have an old one for you.

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Speaker 2: We love him. I love Huey Lewis local and I.

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Speaker 3: Think doesn't he have a condition where he can't sing anything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're loyal, so we keep the name alive.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, we sing we're his voice now, Elizabeth, Yes, sorry here.

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Speaker 3: So this is deep history, this is serious stuff, big

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Speaker 3: time stuff, and it's in France. So I'm going to

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Speaker 3: butcher all the names.

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Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite countries.

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Speaker 3: Not going to say I love them. I love the people,

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Speaker 3: the culture, the terror are but I am about to

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Speaker 3: just rock their world. So I'm not too well versed

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Speaker 3: in European royalty, like which kings or queens reigned from

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Speaker 3: what year to what.

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Speaker 2: You're in luck, neither am I, so I won't parent

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Speaker 2: you well.

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Speaker 3: I'm also I'm not a royalist, if you hadn't figured

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Speaker 3: that out. No, yeah, I don't really pay attention to.

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Speaker 2: Them very much. Lincoln Brigay material, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Get into the whole Harry and Meghan business ever, mentioning

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Speaker 3: that I hope the whole thing falls apart. So I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to say, you know, they're all on high end welfare.

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Speaker 3: Let's just call it what it.

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Speaker 2: Is, a bunch of welfare queens literally, and it sucks.

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Speaker 3: That they treat Megan so badly from what I understand.

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Speaker 3: But is anyone.

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Speaker 2: Surprised, No, we all saw that going in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have for you a criminal scandal, a sneaky one,

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Speaker 3: a juicy one, French one. La let's talk Jean de

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Speaker 3: Saint Remi deva loynes de la Motte. Yes, she was

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Speaker 3: born Jean de Saint Remi in seventeen fifty six.

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Speaker 2: Where where Elizabeth, thank you?

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Speaker 3: Fun Tete, which is in the Champagne region of France.

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Speaker 3: So you know she was bubblyy.

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Speaker 2: She was born in FunTown, Champagne.

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Speaker 3: FunTown, Champagne. So she was the second child in the

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Speaker 3: family that claimed that they were descendant from an illegitimate

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Speaker 3: son of Henry, the second King of France from fifteen

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Speaker 3: forty seven to fifteen fifty nine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and where they're going Bourbons.

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Speaker 3: Then no, yeah, house of Valoilloy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, there you go.

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Speaker 3: So her father, Jacques is the only one who claimed

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Speaker 3: to be descended from him. And then the mistress Nicole

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Speaker 3: de seventy. So even though the couple produced a kid

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Speaker 3: two hundred years prior and the child was illegitimate, that

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Speaker 3: royal blood made Jacques nobility, and that illegitimate son got

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Speaker 3: the title of Comte de Saint Remi.

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Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, so he just becomes he inherits the landed title.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was the title that Jean's dad claimed.

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Speaker 3: So Jean's mother, Marie, she did not come from noble stock.

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Speaker 3: She was a maid who got into the family way

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Speaker 3: thanks to Jacques. That happens. What usually doesn't happen is

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Speaker 3: that Jacques married her like his family was like, all right,

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Speaker 3: we can, we can make her go away. Family's not pleased.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and so Jacques, this is like three musketeer stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm into it.

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Speaker 3: Jacques inherits an estate from his father, but he didn't

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Speaker 3: inherit the cash to keep it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem problem. You gotta get your vessals.

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Speaker 3: Doing exactly and in Jacques's a drunk and his bride

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Speaker 3: spent money like water. So between the two of them,

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Speaker 3: they live at this estate, but they live like paupers.

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Speaker 3: And when Jean was.

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Speaker 2: One room of their estate. Yes, it's only when they

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Speaker 2: can afford a heat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Jean's young. They moved the whole family to

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Speaker 3: Paris because Jacques figures like, that's where the nobles go

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Speaker 3: to stake their claim. I'm a nobles, So it is

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Speaker 3: in that way, eat for freely and.

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Speaker 2: Like the fans.

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Speaker 3: The fancy lineage. That would help, but they were broke.

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Speaker 3: Times were tough Jean and her siblings. They had difficult childhoods.

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Speaker 3: She was forced to beg on the streets of Paris

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Speaker 3: and Versailles when she was four years old, starting at

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Speaker 3: the age of four. So Jacques. He died in seventeen

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Speaker 3: sixty two when Jean was only six years old. And

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Speaker 3: then the mother, right, she takes a new lover, which

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Speaker 3: good for her, but then she abandoned her three children,

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Speaker 3: which boo. So she hands them off to the Marquise

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Speaker 2: Marquise bread of life. Yeah whatever, Boogainvillia.

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Speaker 3: So this is a major I got for the kids.

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Speaker 3: So the Marquise's wife, Madame de Bouvier, took a liking

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Speaker 3: her as her true mother. In seventeen seventy five, thanks

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Speaker 3: to the work of Madame, the family's claims of noble

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Speaker 3: so woohoo, yay.

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Speaker 2: Just in time, they got like fourteen more years, right.

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Speaker 3: So the nobles of France, they had a social safety net.

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Speaker 3: So you got four year olds out there begging. But oh,

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Speaker 3: when we find out who your you know, great Grandpapy was,

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Speaker 3: they Jean and her siblings, they got like a modest

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Speaker 2: You're in the system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so now you're in the system, we'll take care

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Speaker 3: of you. And that paid for Jean's brother, Jacques Junior,

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Speaker 3: to go off to a military academy. And then Jean

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Speaker 3: like a prep for a convent. Jean didn't have what

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Speaker 3: they called, quote, the monastic temperament. She was not into

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Speaker 2: And so like listening to the authority, you know, neither

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, she and her sister they ran away

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Speaker 3: from school. They moved back to Champagne Champagne to a

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Speaker 2: Bar she was described bar on the eb.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bar on the EBB in Champagne, next to fun town.

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Speaker 3: So she was described at the time as quote not

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Speaker 3: proper for someone like her. Her smile was enchanting. She

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Speaker 3: stude like that sounds pretty beautiful to me.

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Speaker 2: And also like every single time they were like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I gotta do give you a real good picture of

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Speaker 2: this person. So they're not pretty right, but here I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you why.

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Speaker 3: But it's always like she she was hideous.

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Speaker 2: She's a dog.

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Speaker 3: But you know, listing on all off these wonderful qualities,

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Speaker 3: everyone everyone's beautiful if you look at them long enough, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, but also let's just go by their standard that

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Speaker 2: they're appreciated. You never hear the average that they're talking about.

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Speaker 2: There's just like this far end of like she was beautiful,

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Speaker 2: I'd wanted to take her home to my mother, have

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Speaker 2: my son marry her, right, And then the other one

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Speaker 2: was like she was a dog. I wouldn't let her

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Speaker 2: in my home at night. You're just like, is there

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Speaker 2: anybody who's just like you? Look like someone in my take? Well?

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, it's like, I don't know all

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Speaker 3: these what does that have to do?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? There's never but there's never a normal.

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Speaker 3: And there's no point to them, so they always bring

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Speaker 2: It's always always anyway, always.

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Speaker 3: So it was in Bar that she met the gendarmes

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Speaker 3: Nicholas de la Motte.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so now she's a messed around the cops. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Nicholas he's described as quote homely but a man

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Speaker 3: of splendid physique, like he's.

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Speaker 2: A butter he's a hardcore butterface.

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Speaker 3: So they piled around, they fooled around, and before you

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Speaker 3: There were rumors that someone other than Nicholas was the Papa,

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Speaker 2: Do you recommend her?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? She's great, homely, but this is the this is

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Speaker 3: so she's started hooking up with another court hanger on,

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Speaker 3: He was a childhood friend of her husband's and he

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Speaker 2: Just mess around. All these people are just messing, no

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Speaker 3: He was a good looking dude, had a great personality, yes,

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Speaker 2: It was France. I've read about them. I was there, Zarin, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And he also he turned out young gals like he

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Speaker 3: They were some freakings. So Jean she hired him as

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Speaker 2: Name and you're really not doing anything there, baby, Off

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Speaker 3: While he was there, he managed to offend Empress Maria Theresa.

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Speaker 3: Marriages marriages, Marie Antoinette call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that was also the undoing for Napoleon

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Speaker 3: So, needless to say, Marie Antoinette couldn't stand Rohan.

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Speaker 3: Rohan was convinced that her hatred kept him from like

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Speaker 3: the Cardinal Rohan, he first met Jehan in seventeen in Versailles.

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 3: It's like I told you I love books between World

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Speaker 2: Much the Titanic Vibey's out there, it's out there.

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Speaker 3: So she tells him her whole life, sob story. Cardinal

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Speaker 3: I can't help you with that, but like you know,

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Speaker 3: because she hates me.

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Speaker 2: You should probably.

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Speaker 3: See if you know she's chummy. She's richer than I am, basically,

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Speaker 3: And there are rumors that jean and the Cardinal became

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Speaker 3: Rohan felt at his disgrace and of his wish to atone.

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Speaker 3: Marie Antoinette proved open to a reconciliation, and they embarked

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Speaker 3: on a correspondence, with Jeanne as a go between of

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Speaker 2: So then the bishop got the play he wanted. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So you know, the Cardinal, he's stoked at the chance

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Speaker 3: to pass between them. In reality, it was Ritteau forging

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Speaker 3: get enough walking around money. So jean soaked the cardinal

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Speaker 3: for about one hundred and twenty thousand francs, which is

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Speaker 2: Then, so he thinks he's playing the real power move

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Speaker 3: Opened to paying her. Nobody plays her.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and then he's being played and paying for it.

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Speaker 2: The being played part of it.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, So Jean and Nicholas they buy fancy clothes

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Speaker 3: and other finery for themselves.

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Speaker 2: Oh they're frenching it up.

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Speaker 3: Oh they're telling people who ask this, well, our our

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Speaker 2: Why do you think I got this high ass? Here?

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Speaker 2: This is a popped dog.

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Speaker 3: And so pretty soon the letters like they take an amorist, sure,

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Speaker 3: and the cardinal is like, look set up a meeting,

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Speaker 3: Like I can't. I can't just keep it to the letters.

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Speaker 3: These texts too hot.

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Speaker 2: Really, let me come on, I'm knock on my door.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So lucky for Jean, Nicholas knew a sex

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Speaker 3: that she'd be paid well for her help. So Nicole,

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Speaker 3: and so on a night in August of seventeen eighty four,

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Speaker 3: she gets sent to the gardens of Versailles holding a

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Speaker 4: All right, Sally, Hello.

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Speaker 3: I was telling you about Jean de Saint Remi contes

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Speaker 3: de com uh vule vu. Okay, And she she had

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Speaker 3: her Scammi life in Paris in the seventeen hundreds. I

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Speaker 3: mentioned a diamond necklace. Do you own a diamond necklace?

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Speaker 2: I had to sell it after the war.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to buy one? Yes, it's made out

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Speaker 3: of fish sammies, this necklace. Let me tell you about

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Speaker 3: this necklace, this French quiz. It was commissioned by Louis

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Speaker 3: King died before the necklace was completed.

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Speaker 2: He kind of do nothing king.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the jewelers Boehmer and Bassingees, they decided to

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Speaker 3: it to Marie Antomettea.

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Speaker 2: She loves the bottles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The queen though, was not interested.

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Speaker 3: It left him in a little bit of a rough

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Speaker 2: Like you know, there's only so many buyers.

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Speaker 3: Well, getting all those materials and spending all the time

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Speaker 2: It was really only four people you can buy it,

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Speaker 3: Getting it to that point had almost bankrupt. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: did Marie Antoinette care. She was all, see this.

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Speaker 2: Cake, yes, like you can eat it.

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Speaker 3: So she didn't give a tinker's damn how much they'd

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Speaker 3: sunk into the thing already. Well, she wasn't interested, and

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Speaker 3: she had no intention of purchasing anything ever intended for

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Speaker 3: a royal mistress, that was the thing. In fact, she

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Speaker 3: told the jewelers to never mention the necklace to her again.

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Speaker 3: Of course, yeah, don't let it pass your lips. According

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Speaker 3: to that your new favorite book, How to Ruin a Queen,

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Speaker 3: yes quote, The necklace comprised six hundred and forty seven

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Speaker 3: diamonds wearhing twenty eight eight hundred carrots.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen shallot sized diamonds formed a choker round the neck,

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Speaker 3: from which three festoons lulled two rows of smaller stones

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Speaker 3: Two frills of diamonds hung from this knot, pawing at

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Speaker 3: the waist like withered forearms. Down the back hung two streamers,

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Speaker 3: which counterbalanced the weight of the necklace and prevented the

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Speaker 3: wearer from toppling forwards. Grotesque and almost literally unbearable. It

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Speaker 3: resembled an item of chain mail, or something a monk

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Speaker 3: might wear in penitential self chastisement. Then a coveted piece

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, So this thing was pretty much what

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Speaker 2: made people want to start the French Revolution. But you

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Speaker 3: The description makes me want to go, like stand on

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Speaker 2: You know, I wonder they got the guillotine out. They're like, yo,

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Speaker 2: your diamonds protected from this.

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Speaker 3: Uh huhne obscene nuts. So you know, people know it's

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Speaker 3: out there, they know it existis I bet they know

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Speaker 3: it's a rock flawless And in early seventeen eighty five,

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Speaker 3: Jean she starts putting the word out that Marie Antowin

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Speaker 3: upset her husband, That's why she did. And the rumor

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Speaker 3: was specifically targeted at the jewelers and the cardinal. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering if anyone else really cared or believed that

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Speaker 3: Jenne was close to the Queen.

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Speaker 2: I can see the plus signal coming together in this.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: So jean had Ritteau forged yet another letter from the

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Speaker 3: you know, from the Queen, super steamy. Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 3: the cardinals like waiting impatiently. She says in the letter,

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Speaker 3: I want to meet you. I want to see you.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about it up.

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Speaker 3: So uh. The cardinal begs Jeanne please please set up

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Speaker 3: at the Patas de Vessaies. You are also an insomniac.

438
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: Every evening you toss and turn and then give up

439
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 3: and wander the gardens you so lovingly tend. It's not

440
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: unusual for you to happen upon some tryst in action,

441
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 3: the nobles or some freaky freaks. You're always dressed in

442
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: dark colors, and you move quietly so you're able to

443
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: slip away before the people you stumble upon, even though

444
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 3: you were there. And then you make your way to

445
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 3: a quiet part of the large gardens and continue your

446
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 3: restless contemplations. On this evening, you see a woman in

447
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 3: a white gown and hot dog. If it doesn't look

448
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 3: like the Queen Marie Antoinette right there in the flesh.

449
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 3: You've seen her out here before, but not alone like this.

450
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: This is unusual. You hear heavy footsteps approaching. You step

451
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: behind a hedge and listen. Up walks card Louis de Rohan.

452
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: Oh dang, this dude is so obviously sprung on the Queen.

453
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 3: He's not the only one, but he's the most pitiful

454
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: in your body, and al hoots in the tree above

455
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: you and gives you a fright. You look back and

456
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: see the Queen present something to Rohan, a white rose.

457
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: Being a groundskeeper, you know all about the language of flowers.

458
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 3: It's all the rage. Specific flowers and then specific colors

459
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: have meaning, and you're always asked to plant flowers so

460
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: that the nobles can send specific messages to each other

461
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: with bouquets or whatnot. The queen whispers to Rohan, you

462
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 3: know what this means. You know what it means, all right.

463
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: The white rose has a clear meaning. I am worthy

464
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 3: of your affections. You then see Marie Antoinette pass a

465
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: letter to Rohan. He takes a deep sniff of the

466
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: paper and grunts. Marie Antoinette turns her head and then

467
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: scampers off toward the palace. I know that was gross, right,

468
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: so gross, leaving Rohan holding the rose and the envelope.

469
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: As she turns, you see something. There was something a

470
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: little bit off about the Queen's face. You think about

471
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 3: it and come to the conclusion that that actually wasn't

472
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: the queen at all. The owl above you hoots again.

473
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: Rohan doesn't even look up. He's so lost in his

474
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: emotions that he just stares at the letter, and then

475
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 3: he too, scampers off in the opposite direction of the palace.

476
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 3: You resume your midnight wanderings, just you and the crickets

477
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: and the owl and maybe some freaky Deky's in the

478
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: bushes somewhere. So you can guess the letter told Rohan

479
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: to buy the necklace. Make an initial payment on it.

480
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: She'd pay the rest. Rohan went to the jewelers with

481
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: the good news. Now he was meeting with Nicole, yeah,

482
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: the sex worker, and so he goes to the jewelers.

483
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: The jewelers are stoked, of course, and so they didn't

484
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: think they'd ever recoup on this.

485
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: No, they're like pretty much going to should we go

486
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: to the colonies pretty much.

487
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: And then they all agreed to a price one point

488
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: six million livres, which is almost fifteen million dollars today.

489
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: It took a lot of calculations to get from like

490
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 3: one currency anyway.

491
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that the Musketeers.

492
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so fifteen million dollars, it's not a lot based

493
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: on what I know about prices from enormous gems, which

494
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: is what I know from this podcast. So the Rohan,

495
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: the Cardinal and the jewelers they write out a contract

496
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 3: which was supposedly taken to the queen by Jean, and

497
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: then it was returned signed Marie Antoinette Diffrance.

498
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: Can you just do that as the Queen Mariette.

499
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. The queen would have signed her

500
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: name on the contract. Is Marie Antoinette not different.

501
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: Exactly like which the French one that's the French France,

502
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: so yeah, Toms of Finland.

503
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was kind of a giveaway. Cardinal didn't

504
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: notice it, jewelers didn't notice it. So the money was

505
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: supposed to be paid in installments, and there wasn't like

506
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: a deposit or anything. January of seventeen eighty five, the

507
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: cardinal he made the first payment and the jewelers handed

508
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: it over, just handed the necklace over, first payment. I

509
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: guess they trusted that the queen was going to pay them.

510
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: They're like Marie Antoinette, the French one, said she pay

511
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: it's right here.

512
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: Wow.

513
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: So the cardinal takes the necklace back to Jan's and

514
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 3: then where a valet of the queen came and took

515
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: it away. Zaren. That was not a valet of the queen, no,

516
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: I know. So Nicholae, Nicholas breaks the necklace down, he

517
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: dismantles it. Oh my god, start selling the gems like

518
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: first in Paris, then London.

519
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't even go to like Netherlands.

520
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: He's just like right here in doing it slowly, so

521
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: it's not to attract outside Versailles. He's not going to

522
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: take this big bucketed giant gems and be like, what

523
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: do you go for? You know, like little bits, drips

524
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: and drabs here they would get money, they'd make a

525
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: sale and then turn around to spend the money immediately.

526
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: Oh of course they just doing all the things wrong.

527
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: That was their ATM completely. So the Cardinal he covers

528
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: that first payment, and he thought the queen was going

529
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: to pay the rest. And after six months payment to

530
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 3: hadn't shown up as promised. So the jewelers they're like,

531
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: let's go find this payment.

532
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's bring some gender arms.

533
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: So they go to the Cardinal. He'd been having some

534
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: doubts about the sale at this point. Six months goes by.

535
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: He compared the handwriting in his letters to known examples

536
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: of the queen's handwriting and saw they didn't exactly match,

537
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: and like this was this was about to be embarrassing,

538
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: and he you know, so then he stalls them. In

539
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: stalls the jewelers. The jewelers they turn around, they write

540
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: a letter to the Queen thanking her for purchasing the necklace,

541
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: and they mentioned that they hadn't seen her wearing it,

542
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: was there something wrong? And then Marie Antoinette like she

543
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: gets it. She has no idea what they're talking about,

544
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 3: like whatever.

545
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: So, but is this her regular jewelers where she would

546
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: have some like recourse with them, like you you know,

547
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: to be like wait a minute, I think they.

548
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: Had to be like significant. She just ignored the letter though,

549
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: She's like, I don't know, they sent me some little

550
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: bobble and I didn't wear it for yeah. So then

551
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 3: the jewelers they go to Arete Campagne, one of Marie

552
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: Antoinette's ladies in waiting, and like she was pretty shocked

553
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: by the details. So she goes right to the Queen.

554
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: The Queen ordered the jewelers brought to her, and as

555
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: they started comparing notes, one thing became obvious. The cardinals

556
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: at the center of these things. Let's take a break.

557
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to see how, if

558
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: why when Rohan can weasel out of this mess.

559
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, so.

560
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: Uh Jamappelle, Elizabeth d'Artagnan, Jabita CALIFORNI. Ah, you like the

561
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: first grade, first grade stuff?

562
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Aki, I ran out and through it. I was like,

563
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.

564
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: When when we left off, Jehan and her husband they'd

565
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: pulled a megacn on the cardinal. They managed to get

566
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: the giant diamond necklace.

567
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: They hideous the diamond hood.

568
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: Well it was like a diamond chest piece, like it's

569
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: a very kind of I'm going to wear this to

570
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: the met gala.

571
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to use this to choke an alligator, like

572
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: is this camp?

573
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: And then it's too mud so, but they're living large

574
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: off the profits of the sales of the individual stones.

575
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: And talk has got to be spreading like ripples. Oh

576
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: you have no, that's all Paris runs on is gossip.

577
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. And so Marie Antoinette, she gets wise to

578
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: the whole thing, and now heads will roll a well eventually, yes,

579
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: and the things came to a head August fifteenth, the

580
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: feast of the Assumption of Mary, by the way, weird

581
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: in seventeen eighty five, maybe six months later, seventeen eighty five,

582
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: an hour that was in January that the deal was.

583
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: Still into August.

584
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: The cardinal he's supposed to live it up while you can't,

585
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: is supposed to say mass for the royal family.

586
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah?

587
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: Dead. And what I love is that what we haven't

588
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: talked about here is that we have a man of

589
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: the cloth who's like, you.

590
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Know, his money is he's spending.

591
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: Well, and he's trying to like get into trousers. That's

592
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: not that's just how it happened. That's how Yeah, they're

593
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: not those kind of capitals. No, No, this is like

594
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: a very medici type. Anyway, he gets dragged in front

595
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: of the King and the queen and he's like, told,

596
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: explain yourself. So he's just he's there, all doomed it up,

597
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: getting ready to say mass and like they sand man

598
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: him and just like him off.

599
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: He's confused a diamond hook.

600
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but keep in mind, think about think about his perspective.

601
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 3: He's totally confused because he said he'd been acting on

602
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: behalf of the queen.

603
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he had his day in the story. He's

604
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: telling himself completely.

605
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: So he's like, no, I was doing it for you,

606
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: your majesty, remember the man you hate? Yeah?

607
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 2: Do I need?

608
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: So he says to a servant, go back to my

609
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: quarters and get the letter that she handed me in

610
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: the garden.

611
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: And the white flower yeahs and dried.

612
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: Upside down, the one telling me to buy the necklace.

613
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 3: And so then he whispers to the servant like, and

614
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: then destroy any other letters from her that you find

615
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: in my place. He's like yeah, okay, sure, yes, and

616
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: the servants like, yeah, I totally will. I'm putting those

617
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: in my pocket. Are you kidding me? My family is

618
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 3: gonna go on antiques roadshow one day. So the servant

619
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: comes back with the letter. The king reads it loses

620
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: his biscuits. Yeah, he's just because the letter is signed

621
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: the letter from the Garden, assigned Marie Antoinette Diffrance.

622
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also is it too, like my suite

623
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: or my monche or something?

624
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: I think so. But also so it's like my dearest,

625
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: my SWEETISHU love Marie Anette the French one. Yeah, so

626
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: just like the contract, it has that signature. But the king,

627
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: the King points out that like anyone in the court

628
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: would know that, the royals only signed with their first name,

629
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: so like, you're not even a good you're even nobleman. Exactly,

630
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: that's how I sign things.

631
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: Louis Louis, Exactly, I sign him Rick.

632
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: Louian Rick. So the letter obviously fake. The King's livid

633
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: that cardinal couldn't even see that. So then they, you know,

634
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: this gets him sent away. They send him away somewhere

635
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: with which royals would one day become familiar. Where they

636
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: sent him to the bastille and they order an investigation

637
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: and then the law and order. So right before his arrest,

638
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: Marie Antoinette told the cardinal quote, it is extraordinary, monsieur,

639
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: that you could have imagine for an instant that I

640
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: would have charged an unknown person with a matter of

641
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: this importance. Moreover, my opinion about you has been established

642
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: for a long enough time. You should have known that

643
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: I would never have given you an.

644
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: Order like this.

645
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: Yes, the insult of an unknown person, uh huh.

646
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: And I've known you long enough to know that you're

647
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: an idiot. You have never done Yeah, and he's just

648
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: an un sexy idiot.

649
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: He's just like thinking about the garden. So the investigators,

650
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: they quickly figured out that Jean was behind all of this.

651
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: They arrested her three days after the big reveal.

652
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: They have these diamonds and they do not. This is

653
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: why you leave. You gotta have a plan. And all

654
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: who am I gonna sell it to? Not one and

655
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: at a time, And it is the market. The fishmongers

656
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: go to New Canada exactly, you could run New Orleans.

657
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, even Saint Louis. I believe any one

658
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: of them go up and down the Missouri. Fine one

659
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: in the Mississippi find a town doesn't No, No, they

660
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: just hung out well.

661
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: And by this time though, she'd heard what was going on,

662
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: and she destroyed all the evidence of her correspondence and such,

663
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: so there's nothing on her end Ritteau that's what. Yeah,

664
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: she got rid of the letters. The Jiggolo gets picked

665
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: up next. Yeah, Nicole, the Marie Antoinette impersonator. She she

666
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: was smart. She moved to Brussels.

667
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: Totally, but they caught her hanging out with them. They

668
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: found her.

669
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 3: And then there was another person arrested who I haven't

670
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 3: talked about yet, a fellow by the name of Count Cagliostro.

671
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, I know that name.

672
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, his real name was Giuseppe Balsamo. And so the

673
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: count he was throughout history. He's got all sorts of

674
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: like shady stuff. He could probably have an episode, definitely.

675
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: He was pals with the cardinal and so he's this

676
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: like occultist. He was a mystic that in French noble

677
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: he was like the Joan Quigley to their Nancy Reagans.

678
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: So Cagliostro had used his powers to confro for Rohan

679
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: that his relationship with the queen, and all the accompanying

680
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: letters were on the up and up. He's like, the

681
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: stars tell.

682
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: Me, and you're telling me this royalty they got overthrown.

683
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just unbelievably. There's such responsible stars of

684
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: the country.

685
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: Cagliostro, right, which I know I'm not saying that, right,

686
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter whatever, I mean, give me a break.

687
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: Here's the thing too that I want to.

688
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: Point you losing your voice. You're fighting through it.

689
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: I am losing my voice again. But I'll tell you too,

690
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: is it? And I don't know if this happens to you,

691
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: but happens to me a lot when we're recording. I

692
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: can say a word or a name perfectly and normally,

693
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 3: but I get in front of this microphone and I don't.

694
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: I don't know how to speak.

695
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I often mistake syllables and I cannot do math.

696
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 3: But I messed things up that I normally wouldn't mess up.

697
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: I know you have a much better sense of pronunciation.

698
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyway, this this dude, the count, Yes, county countcy.

699
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: So the Cardinal was like, wait a second. The count

700
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: said that this was all. All the letters were on

701
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: the up and ups, so he must be in on

702
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 3: the whole thing. So it was the cardinal who ratted

703
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 3: out the count to the investigators. Oh Nicholas the husband,

704
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: he was also wanted, but he escaped to England and

705
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: was rumored to be seen like all over of.

706
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: Course, bragging to them about how he conned the French. Yeah,

707
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: they love that in England. He did. What to Mari

708
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: was fantastic.

709
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: So he gets he gets away.

710
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: Of course he gotta get story to tell. That's to

711
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: get you a lot.

712
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: Like the royal advisors were like, you know what, let's

713
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: just sweep this in. This didn't happen, and instead the

714
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 3: Queen's like, no, I want a trial, and I want

715
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: it as a public trial, which was something they never did.

716
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: Austria is going to be laughing at this, right.

717
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: So the cardinal, he's accused of stealing the necklace as

718
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: well as lis Maeste literally injured majesty, meaning the act

719
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: or crime of showing a lack of respect for.

720
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: The king or other rules. Totally, the Tie government still

721
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: accuses people.

722
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: Of there, yes, yes, and so because he falsely clean

723
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 3: to represent the queen in his dealings with the jewelers.

724
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 3: So the trial took place in January of seventeen eighty six.

725
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: It was all the rage and they total zoo. I'm

726
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 3: telling everyone in the event, it is it really is.

727
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: Everyone involved, testified Jean. She held fast to the story

728
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 3: that she'd just been following the queen's orders. And then

729
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: Riteau the jigglo. He's the star witness for the prosecution.

730
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: He flipped, yeah, he made a deal and he gave

731
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: a full account had happened. Basically, this was the gen

732
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: show and the Queen knew nothing. So Nicole the queen impostor.

733
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: She gets released for lack of evidence. She's like, dude,

734
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 3: I thought that they were going to play a prank

735
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 3: and that's honestly.

736
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm basically a model and someone told me

737
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: where this is.

738
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're like, she's she's not right.

739
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: Just let her know.

740
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: She's the newspaper will describe her as that she's a

741
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: beautiful woman. But nothing between the years. So the jigglo, right,

742
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: he's the star witness. He gets sentence to exile as

743
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: part of his deal. So like, we'll just we'll treat

744
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: you well, you just got to leave, yeah, Nicholas. They

745
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: find him guilty in absentia, but like he's just the

746
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: count was eventually exonerated, but like, he gave really good

747
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: entertainment at the trial. One of the things he did

748
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 3: he admitted to being guilty of murdering the Roman general.

749
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: POMPEII back in the day, back in the day.

750
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, you want history, here we go.

751
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: So the cardinals, Yes, Caesar took power me.

752
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 3: The cardinals acquitted, but he had to step down from

753
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: his position and he was forced to live in like

754
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: a really rural monastery until his cardinally was restored in

755
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: seventeen eighty seven.

756
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: It got restored.

757
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, the next year. He and his family, he's.

758
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: Given every reason to no longer believe his ability to

759
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: handle ten. But he was acquitted.

760
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: He was acquitted. Yeah, yeah, so he uh, he and

761
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: his family they had to pay back the jewelers the

762
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: entire amount. And then he was initially or to publicly

763
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: apologize for presuming that the queen would meet with him

764
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: in the gardens at the nights.

765
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

766
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: Well, then the court decided against that. He gets acquitted.

767
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: What's hilarious is that by not having to apologize.

768
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: You tell all of them it's ridiculous. I even thought.

769
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: But by saying when the court was like, no, you

770
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: don't have to do that, they're basically saying that, like,

771
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: we expect the queen to do something tawdry like meet

772
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: with someone in the garden at midnight. That was like

773
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 3: the court's.

774
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: Message in Oh Snap.

775
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: According to How to Ruin a Queen Quote, never before

776
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: had the expected conduct of a queen been debated so

777
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: exhaustively by the public. The disputes would echo down through

778
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: the revolution. A cree de guerre to the rebellious, a

779
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: taunting cacophony to the faithful.

780
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm telling you do the call for her head. I think.

781
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: It really does kick it off. So Jean is found guilty.

782
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: She's punished with a whipping, branded the letter V on

783
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: both of her shoulders for volus or thief, the confiscation

784
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: of all her possessions, and then she also was sent

785
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: to prison. During her whipping and branding, she fought so

786
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: hard against it that her chest was branded accidentally, so

787
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: she had the shoulders and then yes, yeah, so she's

788
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: officially guilty. But the public had other ideas. They believed

789
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: that the queen really did want the necklace, and that

790
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 3: the cardinal someone the queen hated was a scapegoat when

791
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: her extravagance had been called into.

792
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: Question, of course, and she needed fall guys.

793
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: And then he turned around and he found a scapegoat

794
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: in June.

795
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically everyone in power found somebody who they

796
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: could hold the bag. And the French people were like,

797
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: this is what.

798
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 3: Happens well, and it was fishy to people that while

799
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 3: the cardinal was acquitted, he was still exiled, so like, no.

800
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: One got real punishments.

801
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: It's kind of also, if you're acquitted, why do you

802
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: then wouldn't you just walk? Why are they like and

803
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: then go out in the country for a while, let's

804
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: cool off. They figured, yeah, they're just throwing all on

805
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: jun So this was a part of the shift in

806
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: the public opinion about the royals, and we know how

807
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: that turned out.

808
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: And it's so close to the revolution kicking off that

809
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: you're just like, come on, this is like he said,

810
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: cried to Gary, this is very much gonna be on

811
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: the lips of the people when they're calling for the

812
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: king and the queen. Yeah, this is very much in

813
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: their thoughts of like we have a perfect example, and

814
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: remember that ugly ass.

815
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: It becomes known as the affair of the diamond necklace.

816
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: It's like this, like, yeah, this is this is the

817
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: kickoff Jean. She gets sent to a woman's prison, and

818
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: after a month she tried to escape, like any good,

819
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: totally criminal weed profile. According to the paper quote, she

820
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 3: had already made a hole through which her head would go,

821
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 3: but she's stuck in this opening so that she could

822
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: neither go forward nor backwards. Fright seized her. She struggled

823
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: in vain, and her cries summoned the wardens, who found

824
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: her in that position.

825
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: So chisel a block out.

826
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: They had to pour butter in there. Thanks to some

827
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: sympathetic guards, though, another plan was hatched to have her

828
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 3: escape because they're just.

829
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, they're like the Queen Railroad, did you Yeah.

830
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: And then now she's a folk hero. According to her

831
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: own memoirs, she was able to sketch an image of

832
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: the key and pass that along to someone on the

833
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 3: outside who made a copy.

834
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: This is not the first time we frad this. This

835
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: is so amazing being able to sketch a key.

836
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: It's incredible that.

837
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it worked.

838
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she dressed as a man, and then she

839
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: and a fellow prisoner who was serving as her chambermaid,

840
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 3: walked out of the prison doors and either straight into

841
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: a getaway boat which rode which rode them upstream to

842
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 3: the sun, or straight into a getaway coach, and either

843
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: way it was successful.

844
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: Getaway boat, Yeah, I like.

845
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: A boat, get a bat. I'm a sucker for that.

846
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: So she eventually made her way to London, where she

847
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: reunited with Nicholas.

848
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: Pulling for these crazy kids, yeah, but you know it.

849
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: Puts some strain on our marriage the time apart, And

850
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: in seventeen eighty nine she publish her first book, Memoirs,

851
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 3: katifs Oh like Justifications.

852
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: Exactly so compared Justification yeahually.

853
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: Compared to other contemporary books and gossip accounts about the

854
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: royal family, hers was less salacious and more restrained, but it,

855
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 3: the author of How To Ruin a Queen said, quote

856
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: it performed more insidious work, not just ridiculing the Bourbons,

857
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: but providing plausible grounds to receptive minds that the queen

858
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: had committed treason against the nation and her husband.

859
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So.

860
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: She also started working on her second memoir, which she

861
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: said was going to be even more revealing.

862
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: Well what other stories she got?

863
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: In June of seventeen ninety one, an upholster that she

864
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: owed money to came to visit her to collect and

865
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: brought a bailiff. And she's afraid of being arrested, obviously,

866
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 3: so she made a break for it. She ran into

867
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: a nearby house and set up a barricade, and then

868
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: the bailiff broke through. She jumped out of a window.

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Speaker 3: She's like really badly injured. She broke both of her legs.

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Speaker 3: She's bleeding profusely. She lost an eye. Oh yeah, And

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Speaker 3: there were like theories that she wasn't trying to escape,

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Speaker 3: she was actually attacked by French royalist sympathizers.

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Speaker 2: Usually don't lose an eye falling out of the building.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's like a weird injury.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. She died from her injuries in August of seventeen

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Speaker 3: ninety one of it. Beckmann in his book writes, quote,

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Speaker 3: though her condition had been improving for a number of days,

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Speaker 3: a surfeit of Mulberry's brought on a spasm of vomiting,

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Speaker 3: which choked her.

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Speaker 2: Aren't Mulberry is known to be poorsed? I think, does

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Speaker 2: anybody actually feed someone Mulberry's?

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Speaker 3: I get who knows mulberry. Yeah, and then maybe it's

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Speaker 3: some sort of medicinal thing. She wrote that autobiography. The

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Speaker 3: second one, The Life of Jane de Salomi dve Vlois,

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Speaker 3: was published right after she died. Louis the sixteenth he

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Speaker 3: bought up the entire French run of the book and

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Speaker 3: he had them burned May seventeen ninety.

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Speaker 2: Two, one of those last things he's got to do.

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Speaker 3: However, one copy had been hidden and saved, and the

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Speaker 3: French Assembly, sensing some sort of cover up, ordered an investigation.

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00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: And the one remaining book, well, someone else grabbed it.

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00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: Oh and so then that book was reprinted and the

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Speaker 3: new preface declared, quote, the lengths to which the court

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Speaker 3: has gone to prevent the publication of this work clearly

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00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: proves how greatly the monarchy feared its publication, how many

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Speaker 3: facts it contains which the Royalist party would have preferred

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Speaker 3: to keep from public knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Totally, and the fact that it feared the people. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it literally gives you a shot in the army. You're

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Speaker 2: the people it totally.

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Speaker 3: And then again in How to Ruin a Queen, earlier historians,

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00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: like even Napoleon himself saw the necklace as the direct

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00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: link to the queen's later execution, but the author of

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Speaker 3: How To Ruin a Queen he said that the affair

905
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: of the diamond necklace quote was a pivotal moment in

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00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: this narrative, not simply because it produced sheaves of political pornography.

907
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: It was also a defining pedagogic encounter for the French people,

908
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: in which they learned to discuss, interpret, and judge the

909
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: actions of their betters. Oh, they would apply these lessons

910
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 3: often with bloody commsequences in the years that followed.

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00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they this affair basically taught him to say, citizen,

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00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: I accuse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So here's a fun fact for you, Nicholas the husband.

914
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: He eventually went back to Paris and he was given

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Speaker 3: a job as the director of a theater, and then

916
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: his name appeared in Le Mizerob as one of the

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Speaker 3: weathercocks of the Royalist salon frequented by Marius's grandfather. Hmm,

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Speaker 3: A little little fun fact, so, Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness that I okay, if you have history

920
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Speaker 2: and you're trying to like, you know, enlive in history,

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00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: and we do this off and you see people make

922
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 2: biography movies. We're like, oh, that's to show like, you know,

923
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Speaker 2: why somebody wanted to kidnap somebody back in the day.

924
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, whatever, this is how you'd make

925
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: the French Revolution come alive. Just tell this story and

926
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: then start the Red French Revolution. And people were like,

927
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Speaker 2: I totally get it. Yeah, you know, and then you

928
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Speaker 2: can you don't have to do like all the bloody,

929
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: really hard and confusing part to the French Revolution, which

930
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: is typically like, oh, let's make a movie about the

931
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Speaker 2: French Revolution. You're like, good, good luck, but this explains it.

932
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I totally.

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Speaker 3: Can get it. Well, you know, I think about a

934
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 3: lot of times when you're telling me about a crime

935
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: that's like in a larger historical context, I understand the

936
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: crime better, and then I understand the history better knowing

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00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: the crime, Like those two supplement each.

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Speaker 2: Other, yes, exactly.

939
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Speaker 3: And you think about, like, I don't know, I learned

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Speaker 3: about the French Revolution, like mainly in high school. I'd say,

941
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Speaker 3: and that if you yeah, if you had stuff, yeah,

942
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: but tell me this, tell me about what actually happens people,

943
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: and give me the mood of the people, because this

944
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: couldn't have happened the same way it did at any

945
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: other time exactly, and so I think, like we're you know,

946
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Speaker 3: basically we need to rewrite history books to be more interested.

947
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Speaker 2: And it really shows you how lazy the royals had gotten,

948
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: even about being royals. They've been get engaged in like, no,

949
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: I do want to have a court. I want this man.

950
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: I want everyone to know. They're so caught up in

951
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: all the wrong parts of their story and all they

952
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: are is living stories.

953
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: Everyone lazy about it. They're lazy about their con artists,

954
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 3: you know, like there just yeah, we'll sell the gems.

955
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: Because it was just like everyone was just doing what

956
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Speaker 3: they wanted, super indulging.

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Speaker 2: They'd run out of a big, real productive you know,

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Speaker 2: nation building.

959
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all being freaky key exactly.

960
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: You know, the makeup on the dots and the faces

961
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Speaker 2: and stuff like how's my dad?

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