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Speaker 1: Every day is a battle for your mind, raging information

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Speaker 2: You found the place for.

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Speaker 1: Truth, the voice of a generation that still has the

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Speaker 1: will to believe in the greatest country in the history

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Speaker 2: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, but without further ado, Tom Homan, the

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Speaker 3: Great Tom Oman. Mhmm.

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Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's the biggest round of

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, and you know why we're all here. We're

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Speaker 3: going to be talking about marginal tax rates, healthcare. What

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Speaker 3: are we at here? Yeah, it's real. No borders are, mister,

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Speaker 3: borders are, Tom Homan. You are an American folk hero

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Speaker 3: at this point, you're an American hero. You're my hero

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Speaker 3: as well. You are tasked with overseeing probably the most

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Speaker 3: important political plank President Trump's twenty twenty four election, I

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Speaker 3: would say in his campaign, and that would be deportations,

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Speaker 3: making sure the bad guys get removed from our country.

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Speaker 3: And you have a heck of a job dealing with

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Speaker 3: a lot of these blue states, blue cities, blue counties,

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Speaker 5: All right, so when President Trump, I'll first guy he called,

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Speaker 5: When you call me, he's and I agree to come back,

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Speaker 3: Anyways, you're like Michael Jordan of Deep Borders.

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Speaker 5: He asked me. He said, Look, I want you to

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Speaker 5: oversee three things. I need to secure the border. I

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Speaker 5: and we need to find these three hundred thousand missing kids.

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Speaker 5: So where are we at. We got the most secure

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Speaker 5: three days, I didn't see a single illegal alien. Now

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Speaker 5: previous administration. So look, I don't take credit for any

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Speaker 5: of this. It's the men and women. The Borgtol men

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Speaker 5: line every day. God blessed eating every Boorba Troy and

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Speaker 5: I love them, eating every one of them. And none

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Speaker 5: of this wouldn't happen unless we had President Trump and

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Speaker 5: in my lifetime. Bottom line, hard stop. And when he

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Speaker 5: we're gonna lock the board down. We've done it before,

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Speaker 5: he did in Trump forty five. But the numbers usure

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Speaker 5: and Trump forty seven are far better than Trump forty five.

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Speaker 5: Daily people coming to the border across two thousand miles

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Speaker 5: and every one of them are being turned around. No

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Speaker 5: one's being released in the United States deportation operation. He

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Speaker 5: promised the country of historic deportation operations. It's our historic.

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Speaker 5: More people have been deported since he's been in office

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Speaker 5: in less than one year than any time in history

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Speaker 5: The children that was the toughest out of all three.

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Speaker 5: And let me tell you why, because we can find you.

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Speaker 5: footprint of the unvetted sponsors. Many of the addresses the

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Speaker 5: many of them were safe with their families, just hiding out.

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Speaker 3: I love it. And you know, something that a lot

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Speaker 3: They want mass deportations and they want it yesterday, right,

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Speaker 5: So I think those two things are a game changer

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Speaker 4: That was always one of the most infuriating things with

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Speaker 4: And really you're revealing what the truth is, which is

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Speaker 5: We were enforcing the law. Last administration ignoring the law.

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent American Maide darn proud of it.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirkshaw.

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Speaker 5: You what federal law says, when you come to the

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Speaker 5: You damn right. We're looking for them and we find

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Speaker 5: not a national security threat, not a fugitive. Yeah, absolutely

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so we're find're going to be wrestling.

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Speaker 3: And how many of stolen id's and social security numbers?

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Speaker 3: I mean, these are not victimless crimes either.

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Speaker 5: By the way, We're actually we're doing a seat surge

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Speaker 5: we're going to force a lot. I think if you

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Speaker 5: what point are you harboring and concealing illegal alien? When

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Speaker 5: So when I was an agent in Phoenix, Arizona, I

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Speaker 5: Pam Bondy is soon Department Justice soon sanctuary cities across

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Speaker 3: That might have got a larger applause than you got, right, right, luck,

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Speaker 2: The people are for justice.

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Speaker 5: You go to see more of that.

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Speaker 5: So look, I'm not up there to threaten anybody, but

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Speaker 5: I've been cleved from day one sanctuary cities. If you

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Speaker 5: We'll protect your community for you. Any mayor or governor

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love to hear that, and I think you

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Speaker 5: He's brilliant, He's great.

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Speaker 3: Do we love Stephen Miller.

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm I'm an old man. I tell you right now,

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Speaker 3: Well, again, I go back to this word, impede. These

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Speaker 5: I know things you don't. Wait, I can just say look, wait,

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Speaker 3: By the way, this is why the midterms are so important,

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Speaker 5: Let me and I mean I think we're done. Let

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Speaker 5: Come to the table and talk to me. Sanctuous cities.

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Speaker 4: The uh.

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Speaker 4: It included funding for the expansion of ice. So I

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Speaker 5: Thousands are already in the field. New hires ten thousand.

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 5: So we need one hundred thousand beds. We're one hundred

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Speaker 3: And we got more judges coming, more border patrol that

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Speaker 3: So this is a part of our government. It's the

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Speaker 5: So I used to the first ice build up I've

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Speaker 8: the country. So I have two questions. Why is crossing

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Speaker 8: the border a civil offense and not a criminal offense?

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Speaker 8: And can we make it a criminal offense? And what

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Speaker 8: would the steps be for that?

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Speaker 5: Well, crossing the border I legally is a criminal offense totally,

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Speaker 5: And I says, hold thirteen to twenty five. It's a

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Speaker 5: crime to enter the country legally, and it's called you know,

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Speaker 5: a USC thirteen twenty five. I'm tight right now, the

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Speaker 5: record prosecutions for thirteen twenty five are going on right now.

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Speaker 5: We have a historic number of prosecutions on the border.

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Speaker 5: Not only A thirteen twenty five, but eight 'oc thirteen

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Speaker 5: twenty six. Is re entering the country legally after you've

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Speaker 5: been formally deported. That's a Femily thirteen UOCI thirteen twenty

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Speaker 5: five illegal entry. It's a misdemeanor. Your first defense if

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Speaker 5: you get deported, comeback. That's a feeling. So we are

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Speaker 5: prosecuting them cases record number thirteen twenty five, thirty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: Prosecutions are amazing. So that's actually showing the consequence is

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Speaker 5: actually also a part of why the borders so secure.

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Speaker 5: So I want to be clear. I know there's politicians

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Speaker 5: out there saying that the country legally is not a crime.

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Speaker 5: As I said to AOC years ago, it is a crime,

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Speaker 5: and any legislator don't know that to go back to

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Speaker 5: school party with their job. Appreciate the question, but that's

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Speaker 5: a misnormal lot of you know, you read, you read

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Speaker 5: a lot of the media. They say it's administrative, it's

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Speaker 5: a crime.

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Speaker 8: Can I take a picture with you?

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Speaker 3: Send him up? Yeah sure, all right, next question you

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Speaker 3: can come on up and we'll keep asking the questions.

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Speaker 4: Did you get photos of like, did any kids dress

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Speaker 4: up as like ice agents for Halloween?

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Speaker 3: They should shul Yeah, they should have. All right, we'll

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Speaker 3: get him up. Next question.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, alright, here.

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Speaker 5: Good buddy, come out. Yeah, this is a good picture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 5: Because you're so brave or one of my coins.

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Speaker 7: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: You want to be a border to Raisian, sure, let's go.

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Speaker 4: Well, hopefully by the time he's old enough, we won't

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Speaker 4: even need them.

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Speaker 10: But so, Tom, I don't know if you remember me

476
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Speaker 10: from last year, I says, I don't remember which one

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Speaker 10: it was, but I did get to ask you a

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Speaker 10: question about if you're going to war with the cartels,

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Speaker 10: and I was right. I'm very pleased to announce that

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Speaker 10: we are going to war with cartels. It's very dangerous,

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Speaker 10: it's very evil, pens and all. It is a super

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Speaker 10: amazingly powerful weapon. It should be classified as a weapon

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Speaker 10: and people should think about it that way. My question

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Speaker 10: to you, kind of related is when you're in front

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Speaker 10: of them MSN, what you should ask them is, how

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Speaker 10: is it that it's not racist to not deport people

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Speaker 10: who are stealing jobs for minorities. They call you racist

488
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Speaker 10: all the time. They're the ones who are racist. You

489
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Speaker 10: need to ask them that question and say you're the ones.

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Speaker 10: You're the media, you're the ones to say you're defending,

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Speaker 10: you know, the people's interests. Tell me how it's not

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Speaker 10: racist to not deport the people for stealing jobs minorities.

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Speaker 10: That's why I think you should ask them.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, that's a great point. And I'll tell you something.

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Speaker 5: I tell people that we don't talk about much at all.

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Speaker 5: They say that, look, you know, have a heart. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you're racist. Why are you deporting people? They're just simply

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Speaker 5: coming in for a better life. I get that, But

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Speaker 5: what's happened under Biden administration. Millions of people came to

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Speaker 5: the border and claimed asylum, which they weren't qualified to claim.

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Speaker 5: That's why, based on immigration immigration Court data, nearly nine

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Speaker 5: out of ten people who claim asylum at the border

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Speaker 5: end up with a order removal. They get ordered deported.

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Speaker 5: Why because they don't qualify for asylum. They're not escaping

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Speaker 5: fear and persecution from their home government because of race, religion,

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Speaker 5: and political affiliation. They're coming for better life. I get that,

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Speaker 5: but that's not asylum. So while they're making these fraudent

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Speaker 5: assignment claims are clogging up the court back to seven years,

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Speaker 5: there are actually thousands of people in the world that

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Speaker 5: really are escaping fear and persecution that needs our help.

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Speaker 5: And in the back seat, and I'll say another thing

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Speaker 5: about illegal immigration. Every illegal immigrant across the boarder legally

513
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Speaker 5: is a cheater because there are millions of people standing

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Speaker 5: in line, taking their tests, paying their fees, getting vetted

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Speaker 5: during the background investigation, the big part of the greatest

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Speaker 5: nation on Earth, and now they're back in the bus.

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Speaker 5: So do I apologize from forcing immigration law. I absolutely

518
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Speaker 5: do not. We're going to force it. And again we

519
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Speaker 5: always prioritize the most dangerous in the community. But if

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Speaker 5: you're in the country legally, we're looking for you, and

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Speaker 5: when we find you, we're going to port you.

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Speaker 3: Simple as that.

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Speaker 5: Amen.

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Speaker 11: Hi, mister Holman, I'm from Boston and I had a question.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 11: So our state, between the state and city government is

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Speaker 11: very left planing sanctual city and they give drivers licenses

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Speaker 11: regardless of immigration status. I'm curious what you're doing to

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Speaker 11: help make sure people those people don't get on the

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Speaker 11: voter rolls.

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Speaker 5: That's a that's an issue dealing with right now. We're

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Speaker 5: prioritizing that across the country. I'm sorry you're stuck there.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's it's it's like it's a great city.

534
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Speaker 5: But your governor, mayor, i mean your your mayor's dude.

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Speaker 5: It's testified from the Congress under oath that I was

536
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Speaker 5: lying about the criminal threat of illegal aliens in Boston.

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Speaker 5: Look at the numbers of the criminals we took off

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Speaker 5: the street of Boston. You're welcome, City of Boston. You're

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Speaker 5: welcome to the state of Massachusetts. But voter rolls and

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Speaker 5: illegal aliens voting all over it. You gonna see a

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Speaker 5: big difference coming. Not me. I'm not on if I

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Speaker 5: can tell you people on, I'm I'm a little busy.

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Speaker 5: But uh, that's being looked at by other branches. But

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Speaker 5: we've got the greatest president history as that concerned too,

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Speaker 5: and we're looking at it.

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Speaker 12: I love you.

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Speaker 4: You're the only one having everyone just yell that they

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Speaker 4: love you from the audience.

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Speaker 3: And you're going to say.

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Speaker 5: That, Well, you know, I'm married.

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Speaker 6: I use flash democrats. America is a republic, not a democracy.

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Speaker 6: The fact check true.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm married. I I don't know if

554
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Speaker 5: I'm unretarded, I might not be. Look I got look

555
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Speaker 5: and I want to say something. You know, I took

556
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Speaker 5: a hell of a pay cut to come back. You know,

557
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Speaker 5: the death threats against me and my family apart from

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Speaker 5: my wife for a long time, amazing when I got

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Speaker 5: the call. All kidding aside, she told me you need

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Speaker 5: to do it because she saw the last four years.

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Speaker 5: She got angry too. I think if you all got

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Speaker 5: angry last four years. So even though she knew, okay,

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Speaker 5: here comes to protests at the house together and a

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Speaker 5: thousand people protests at one of home, at my vacation

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Speaker 5: home where my wife was. But she's putting up with

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Speaker 5: it because he understands what we're doing right now is

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Speaker 5: saving lives. Ever, you know, by having illuminigration down ninety

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Speaker 5: four percent, think about this. There's been studies done that

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Speaker 5: thirty one percent of women that make that journey through

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Speaker 5: the cartels get sexually assaulted. They get raped. Under Joe Biden,

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Speaker 5: over four thousand aliens died making that journey in historic record.

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Speaker 5: Quarter Maine Americans died from Fatanahl, historic record. They say

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Speaker 5: his policies were humane. No, they were killing Americans a

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Speaker 5: record numbers, killing aliens of record numbers. No humanity there.

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Speaker 5: President Trump has illumin graced on ninety four per scenting

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Speaker 5: up right now when ninety four percent less people are coming,

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Speaker 5: how many people are being raped? How many children are

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Speaker 5: dying macking that journey? How many women and children aren't

579
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Speaker 5: being sex trafficked? How many pounds of fatanol isn't it

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Speaker 5: coming across the country across the board of kill Americans?

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Speaker 5: How many no inspectatriers are coming? President Trump saving thousands

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Speaker 5: of lives every month? And we're what we're doing right

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Speaker 5: now is just I'm excited every day. Look, I get

584
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Speaker 5: tired every time we read a hit piece time they

585
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Speaker 5: get all fired up again. So keep writing them because

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Speaker 5: I'm not going anywhere, folks, I'm not going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's it? You know how many angel moms are

588
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Speaker 3: being prevented as well? You know we have a few

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Speaker 3: at this event, and every time you see them, it's

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Speaker 3: takes your breath away.

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Speaker 12: Question as mister Homan, Uh, I'm eighteen years law enforcement

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Speaker 12: in just outside of Chicago. This is something that gets

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Speaker 12: to everybody I work with. When you guys had your

594
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Speaker 12: operations in Chicago, I had two people. I ran through

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Speaker 12: NC I see automatically came up trend to Agua and

596
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Speaker 12: I notified my command and they said, just print it out,

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Speaker 12: We'll put it in our folder. I can't. I cannot

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Speaker 12: tell you how infuriating it is for us on the

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Speaker 12: streets knowing that I got a guy sitting sitting in

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Speaker 12: front of me trend Agua. He knows what after I

601
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Speaker 12: run him and then sits there and laughs at me.

602
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Speaker 12: Had to had to just process him, and because of

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Speaker 12: the state laws in Illinois, he got to walk back

604
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Speaker 12: out on the streets. I never saw him again because

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Speaker 12: we have catch and release for crimes now in Illinois.

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Speaker 12: What advice can one can you give us to the

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Speaker 12: boots on the ground who want to put take these

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Speaker 12: guys and do something with them, knowing that they're trend

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Speaker 12: Agua for example. And two, is there a way that

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Speaker 12: ICE can actually come up with an anonymous tip line

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Speaker 12: so we can actually call you guys to say, Hey,

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Speaker 12: my state won't let me arrest this guy, but I

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Speaker 12: got a trend Agua guy sitting in my car right

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Speaker 12: now and my boss wants me to walk them out

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Speaker 12: the door.

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Speaker 5: Well, there is a new tip line. I forgot what

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Speaker 5: it was. We'res my chief of staff doing now. Anyways,

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Speaker 5: there is a tip line. I'll have you. I'll get

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Speaker 5: that tip line DHS something. Anyways, there is a tip

620
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Speaker 5: line you can call.

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Speaker 3: We'll put it in the intro to this podcast.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll get that out to you. Make a phone call,

623
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Speaker 5: make make creative liaison with ICE are in Chicago, make

624
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Speaker 5: a phone call, help us out. Look, I said this

625
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Speaker 5: before law enforcement across the country. The men and women

626
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Speaker 5: on the front line, the men working on the streets,

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Speaker 5: they sup four hundred percent what we're doing. It's it's

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Speaker 5: a it's administration. It's it's one who work for the

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Speaker 5: mayor or the ones who are elected. Some sheriffs, right,

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Speaker 5: they put politics head of public safety. And I just

631
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Speaker 5: can't believe that that. You know, they took an oath

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Speaker 5: to enforce the laws and protect their communities. They're not

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Speaker 5: doing that. So call the tip line eight six.

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Speaker 3: Six d HS two ICE. It is all right, eight

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Speaker 3: six d h S the number two ICE, DHS eight

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Speaker 3: sixty six DHS the number two ICE, and.

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Speaker 5: I'd give you my number. But I did that one time,

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Speaker 5: and I regret that because I'm not kidding. I had

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Speaker 5: to shut my phone down.

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Speaker 4: But uh not even the protesters, they just call and

641
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Speaker 4: they're like, is this Tom Homan cool?

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Speaker 5: We'll give us a call and if you get in trouble,

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Speaker 5: let me know. We'll give you a job. Actually, you know,

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Speaker 5: Rochester p d up, my home state in New York.

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Speaker 5: You know some of those officers got in trouble for

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Speaker 5: responding to assistance from ICE and I actually flew up there.

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Speaker 5: I'll offer him a job, I say, if you want,

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Speaker 5: if you want to be a speculation, let me know.

649
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Speaker 5: So we're hiring a lot of cop We're hearing a

650
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 5: lot of people right now. So well, prior law enforcement

651
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 5: experience is a priority.

652
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: So we love and NYPD is about to have a

653
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: mass exitus out of that PD.

654
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Speaker 13: So, Hi, mister Holman, thank you for all you do.

655
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Speaker 13: I'm from Minnesota. So what is the status on the

656
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 13: Somali deportations in Minneapolis? And realistically how many can we

657
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 13: you know, get rid of because it's God been taken over?

658
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: And is there one specific one too? Yes, And let's

659
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: talk about denaturalization while we're talking about it.

660
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 5: Look, all that's happening. We're looking for criminals simologies. We're

661
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 5: looking with Somolian that weren't vetted properly. We're going to

662
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 5: be revetted if we don't not satisfy with the vetting process.

663
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 5: And we think there's an issue with either public states

664
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Speaker 5: to NASA security, Uh, they'll be they'll be set up

665
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 5: for deportation. Uh, there is talk of d nats. Look,

666
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 5: we're going to follow the law. The last administration just

667
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 5: ignored the law. Betting was poor. I can't tell you

668
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 5: how many borbituation called me last four years saying they

669
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 5: had to release somebody before betting came back. And when

670
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 5: vetting came back, when the when that illegal Alan was

671
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 5: already released, they came back hot from the bureau. So, uh,

672
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 5: President Trump is going to fix all the terrible things

673
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 5: that Biden administration created. And it's a lot of work,

674
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 5: but we're gonna get it done. So some uh, the

675
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 5: Twin Cities all over it. A lot more agents are

676
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 5: on the way there, so you're gonna see You're gonna

677
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 5: see a lot of accent up there.

678
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Speaker 3: Tom. I'd be remiss if I didn't give you a chance.

679
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: This is our first Amfest without Charlie. He loved you,

680
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: you loved him. I just wanted to give you a

681
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: chance to say say whatever. And we can wrap it

682
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: up there.

683
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 5: Charlie and her Friend albums.

684
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Speaker 3: Without further ado. The Great Michael Knowles. I'm so much

685
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 3: to see you. How are you, Michael? You're always looking

686
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: so dapper? Stop it, get out.

687
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 7: You're gonna flattery will get you somewhere. It will get you.

688
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 7: So I did have this thought, I said yesterday I

689
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 7: was on the main stage, you know, so I had

690
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 7: to have my more official Republican blue suit, red tie,

691
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 7: you know, but I said, this is more the casual

692
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 7: death purple. It is a purple. I like to call

693
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 7: it aubergine, but it is purple in fact.

694
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so your boss said some crazy stuff

695
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 3: last night.

696
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Speaker 7: You know, I don't know who'll put together the calendar,

697
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 7: the schedule of events. But look, I said, okay, Charlie

698
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 7: actually did that.

699
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 3: It's actually this is this is Charlie special I get

700
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: Opening night is basically that's great.

701
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Speaker 7: Right toward the top, we got Ben and we got

702
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 7: Tucker and I looked at it. Okay, here I am

703
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 7: right in the middle. It's kind of like being in

704
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 7: the middle of India and Pakistan, in the middle of

705
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 7: Iran in Iraq. But it was funny too, because the

706
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 7: point of my speech was to say, Okay, what did

707
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 7: Charlie do. Charlie ad a million things. We were just

708
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 7: talking about this backstage. Charlie did a million things, right.

709
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 7: He debated at the top levels, he fundraised at the

710
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 7: top levels. He did, he organized, he campaigned, he did this,

711
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 7: that and the other, wrote books, right, but the distinctive

712
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 7: thing that he did was build and maintain coalitions, often

713
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 7: thanklessly behind the scenes, mediating, negotiating, sorting things out, keeping

714
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 7: some people out you're too kind, keeping people in, even

715
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 7: people in who hate each other's guts, and you know,

716
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 7: always moving forward toward a goal. So I get up

717
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 7: there and I say, you know, I think my thesis

718
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 7: is going to be blessed or the peacemakers. This is

719
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 7: Charlie's distinctive quality. We need to emulate this.

720
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Speaker 3: Leo, Leo, yeah, yeah, yeah.

721
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Speaker 7: And then and then what happens, No one agrees with me,

722
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 7: and everyone stress throwing elbows the whole night.

723
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, never mind, I'll be over the bar. Listened.

724
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: The audience liked Russell Brandt's prayer and his whole thing

725
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: last night, right you guys, Yeah, they didn't have his

726
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: high marks for you. But that's okay. That's why you're here.

727
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why you're here.

728
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 7: I'm so glad that you had Russell come in because

729
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 7: you know, it opens up. Erica gives her beautiful speech,

730
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 7: then Ben just starts throwing elbows everywhere, and I said,

731
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 7: hold on, and then you know Tucker is going to

732
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 7: be punching back at Ben and I said, I really

733
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 7: need Russell to come their shirt button down to the navel.

734
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Speaker 7: You know, I don't know, talking about some kind of hippet.

735
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Speaker 7: It was great, it was really it was a nice

736
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 7: palette cleanser.

737
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Speaker 3: It really it was. The evening went well. But then

738
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Speaker 3: of course the headlines were maga civil war, Maga mayhem.

739
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: They were like looking for all the m words they

740
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: could they could put the Daily Mail in a headline.

741
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: So what do you make of that? What is this?

742
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: Is this healthy? Is this destructive? Is this?

743
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: You know?

744
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: What do you make of it? When you think of

745
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six?

746
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 7: Look, you know, I mean my my speech last night

747
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 7: was contrary to maybe some of the other ones, which

748
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 7: is that I think it's very important to recognize that

749
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 7: there's a coalition Charlie built. And maybe you like that

750
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 7: he invited some people. Well maybe you wish he didn't

751
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 7: invite some people in. Maybe you wish he invited people

752
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 7: in that he excluded. I don't know, I don't really care.

753
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 7: He built a team. This is the team. This is

754
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 7: the army. Okay, everyone here, all of you, this massive

755
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 7: gathering of people on the stage and more off the stage.

756
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 7: You're on the team, okay. And so the team has

757
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 7: a purpose, the team has a goal, and you got

758
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 7: to move down the field and you got to win.

759
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 7: And the losers make policy. The winners make policy, and

760
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 7: the losers go home. So my view is, we don't

761
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 7: want to paper over our differences. We're in a period

762
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 7: of extreme flux right now. Obviously we're coming to the

763
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 7: end of the Trump era. Trump has dominated, He's been

764
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 7: the big dog for ten years. The air Apparent, obviously

765
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 7: is JD. Vans. So whenever there's a transition like that,

766
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 7: there's going to be a big shift, and all the

767
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 7: differences in the factions that have existed for decades are

768
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 7: going to come out, and people are going to buy

769
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 7: for position in their view. My view is we should

770
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 7: try to work those out in a way that is productive,

771
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 7: that offers grace to people. That because if you take

772
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 7: the infighting to its extreme and you say, look, give

773
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 7: me what I want or I'm taking my ball and

774
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 7: going home, well then we lose, you know, and then

775
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 7: the left wins. And I guess one of my very

776
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 7: practical points in that speech is the left makes no

777
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 7: distinction between any of those people on the stage, okay,

778
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 7: and they will go after us all together. So we

779
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 7: have to win. This is an insight from Charlie that

780
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 7: you don't always get from pundits, because it's easy to

781
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 7: have an opinion, and opinions are interesting, and especially some

782
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 7: of the drama online is really interesting and titillating. But

783
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 7: Charlie wanted to win, and Charlie did win, and Charlie

784
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 7: like kept winning, and Charlie insisted upon not just having

785
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 7: this great Trump era but getting the next guy in

786
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 7: and building on that and building and so that even

787
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 7: these conferences would go from a thousand people or I

788
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 7: don't like fifty people to a thousand people, to five

789
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 7: thousand people, to fifteen thousand people to now whatever, thirty

790
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 7: thousand plus. It's just completely at capacity.

791
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: We need to figure we need a bigger convention center.

792
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 7: Yes, that's right, And so I just think you have

793
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 7: to keep the focus on winning, not yes, sort out

794
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 7: your differences, have your fun debate club, but really, you know,

795
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 7: work those issues.

796
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: But when you know what's crazy to me is when

797
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: I see like eighteen year old Charlie, you know, like

798
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: on Neil Cavudo or it's like local Chicago News and

799
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, we've got fifteen Chaptists and he's

800
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: got the Chicago accent. He's like, and we're going to

801
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: build an institution and it's gonna be you know, the

802
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: al Capone. It blows my mind this first Neil Cavudo

803
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: where he was like, we've been having tremendous success on

804
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 3: Twitter and it's been and I'm like, this is It's

805
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 3: like the guy was just so ahead of him. He

806
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: was always driven that way and you know, so it's

807
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: to your point though, it's like I want to, you know,

808
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: talk about this coalition. We did a thing before you

809
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: got on here, but you should see it again. And uh,

810
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: for the folks at home, just take my word for it.

811
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 3: So who last night appreciated the Ben Shapiro approach, hands

812
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: up your glasses, the room a little more than half

813
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: the room. And who appreciated the Tucker Carlson approach half

814
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: the room?

815
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 9: Right?

816
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty to fifty. So if you wonder why Charlie

817
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: constructed an opening night the way.

818
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 7: He did, hey, hold on, you left one who appreciated

819
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 7: the Michael Noles approach.

820
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole room. That's a look at that.

821
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, thank we even get a whoop in there.

822
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but when we talk about what we are

823
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: dealing with, you mentioned that this stuff had been simmering

824
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: under the surface for years. I mean, you could go

825
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: back to Buckley and the Birchers, and it's like some

826
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: of this stuff is as old as time and it's

827
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: not going to go away.

828
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 7: Go back to Roosevelt and Taft. I mean, you know

829
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 7: what I mean, you can keep going.

830
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 3: But when we talk about where this goes and kind

831
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: of a sifting, a settling, hopefully we come back together

832
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 3: these you don't expect necessarily some of the fault lines

833
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 3: to go away.

834
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 7: Yes, look, I think Ben made a very important point

835
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 7: that I think most people would agree with, which is

836
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 7: a political coalition has to have boundaries. Not everyone gets

837
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 7: to come in, just like not everyone gets to come

838
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 7: into the country, Not everyone gets to come into the coalition.

839
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 7: So that, in principle is true where a lot of

840
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 7: the Civil War is going to take places. What they're

841
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 7: going to say, you need to adopt my economic policy,

842
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 7: or you're not a true conservative. You need to adopt

843
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 7: my migration policy, my foreign policy, or you're not a

844
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 7: true conservative. That's where those battles have been taking place,

845
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 7: going back to the fifties and into the nineties, after

846
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 7: the Cold War, and in the two thousands and to

847
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 7: the present. I think that's BS. And here's my proof

848
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 7: that that's BS. The Republican Party, now, I guess, supports tariffs,

849
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 7: though some people in the coalition hate that. Previously, for

850
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 7: most of my lifetime, the Republican Party hated tariffs. But

851
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 7: you know what's kind of funny. The Republican Party was

852
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 7: founded on tariffs. It's like a Ramblincoln said, give me

853
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 7: a tariff, I'll give you the greatest country in the world.

854
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 7: Does that mean, therefore, that we have to support tariffs

855
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 7: at any given time or during the I don't know.

856
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 7: The Actually Reagan kind of like tariffs too, but the

857
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 7: Reaganites hated tariffs. Does that mean we have to hate

858
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 7: tariffs to be a true concert No, because politics involves

859
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 7: applying eternal principles to constantly changing circumstances. We used to

860
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 7: be the party of foreign policy restraint and then we

861
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 7: you know, like bomb the whole Middle East, and now

862
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 7: we're the party of restraint. Again, does that tell us

863
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 7: some eternal fact about the party. I don't think so.

864
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 7: I don't think it's hypocrisy, for instance, to change your

865
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 7: economic views to some degree to meet new circumstances. A

866
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 7: generation that now can afford housing, a generation that's being

867
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 7: priced out of food. Both issues, by the way, tied

868
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 7: to mass migration, which was cheered on by Conservatives after

869
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 7: the Conservatives opposed it. So no, you can change these things.

870
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 7: That's called being responsive. Not being responsive is what caused

871
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 7: the Left to get completely blown out of the water

872
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 7: in the last election because they were so detached from

873
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 7: reality that they thought boys could be girls and all

874
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 7: the rest of it. We have to be responsive, but

875
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 7: I do think there are some non negotiables. So one

876
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 7: non negotiable, I would say, and I think Charlie was

877
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 7: so clear about this. If you advocate injustice, if you

878
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 7: are cruel, promote vulgar hatred on the basis of race

879
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 7: or sex or religion, you're off the team. You know,

880
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 7: it's that sort of stuff is wrong in itself and

881
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 7: it's politically toxic. And I thought, I thought Charlie has

882
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 7: done a great job of keeping that riff raff out

883
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 7: after that things are kind of up for grated. So

884
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 7: what you know, what are the what are the what

885
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 7: are the what? Yes, that's the low barbo.

886
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: Let less than spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk show.

887
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 7: What are the things that we affirmatively have to believe in?

888
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 7: I think you have to love the country. Uh, you know,

889
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 7: you have to You have to be like Trump and

890
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 7: hug the American flag. Which was was that the cover

891
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 7: of the Maga Doctrine by Charlie Kirk was that I

892
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 7: seem to remember that when Trump hugged the flag. I

893
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 7: love that. Some people thought it was weird or cheesy. No,

894
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 7: I thought that was so genuine. This guy loves the flag.

895
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 7: So if you're the kind of person who doesn't love

896
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 7: the country, wants to fundamentally transform the country, to use

897
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 7: Obama's words, wants to burn the symbol of the country,

898
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 7: You're off my team. Uh what else do you? You

899
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 7: have to believe there's a real thing as an American people,

900
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 7: and people assimilate into that, just as Ruth assimilates into

901
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 7: the Israelites and is in the genealogy of Christ. But

902
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 7: there's still Israelites. Okay, there's still there's still particular nations.

903
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 7: There's still an American people. If you don't believe that,

904
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 7: if you think America is like just an idea or

905
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 7: not an idea, like every idea floating and otter. If

906
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 7: you think it's nothing, you're not on the team. To me,

907
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 7: you know, you've got to really defend the real American people.

908
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Goo, So we accept there's a few, maybe a

909
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 4: tiny number of things that you just exclude on you

910
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 4: have ideas. We have that clash between Ben and Tucker

911
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 4: last night. Do you believe that they have the same

912
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: assumptions about those same core things or is that in

913
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: conflict at all between.

914
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 7: Them about about what.

915
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 4: The core nature of a conservative party in America should be.

916
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 7: No, they riotously disagree on a number of issues. What's

917
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 7: kind of funny though, As I was listening to their speeches,

918
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 7: Ben adopts a more classically liberal approach, and Tucker's response

919
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 7: and defense also took a classically liberal approach. He said,

920
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 7: we should judge people as individuals. There should be no

921
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 7: restrictions on free speech. And I had this kind of

922
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 7: funny thought, which is, and I don't think I'm exactly

923
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 7: mediating between these two guys, because if we debated those

924
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 7: fundamental premises, they would probably agree, and I would disagree

925
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 7: with them.

926
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 3: You know, there are ways in which you'd like So

927
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: Pat Buchanan said, yeah, Russell Kirk definitely, yeah. Yeah.

928
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 7: And so no, they riotously disagree on foreign policy, on

929
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 7: economic policy, and they probably agree on immigration, I guess,

930
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 7: But no, they disagree. And I think those debates are good.

931
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 7: The debates that actually focus on real policy challenges. I

932
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 7: think that is good and productive and healthy. And I

933
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 7: think those debates are good, The debates that actually focus

934
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 7: on real policy challenges. I think that is good and

935
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 7: productive and healthy. Look, any and both of these guys

936
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 7: condemned the thing that I also condemned anything that gets

937
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 7: down to, uh, you know, injustice, hatreds, animosities based on

938
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 7: race or religion or whatever.

939
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: You know.

940
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 7: I think that that is so ugly and counterproductive that

941
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 7: that you know that.

942
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: Stop stop trying to bait me into the Catholic debate.

943
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, and to quote Arthur Schlessinger, the deepest prejudice in

944
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 7: American history is anti Catholicism.

945
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: But you know, we don't have to get into it.

946
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the spot

947
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 3: here just a little bit.

948
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 7: You know, you've never done that.

949
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: They only ask three or four piercing follow up questions.

950
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. Yeah, I mean, listen, you exist at

951
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: a company that's been at the sort of you know,

952
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: with Ben obviously he's Jewish. There's been a lot debate.

953
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: Turns out I saw the yamaka myself, I did, and

954
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: did you touch it? Though I did not? I know

955
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: better than so, you know, this is the open question.

956
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: I was recently on the Ross Stautit podcast New York Times.

957
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 3: Had a great time, really great guy. I love, good interviewer,

958
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: and you know, he kept trying to get me to

959
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: go into the Israel debate. And my perspective, well, who

960
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: cares about that? You're on the show, tell us what

961
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: is your perspective about what? You know, we're talking about coalitions?

962
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: What what did you do with Israel?

963
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, Israel has been one of the dividing lines, especially

964
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 7: for the online right, I think less so for the

965
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 7: broader public right, but especially for the online right, especially

966
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 7: for the young right. And I think it's perfectly reasonable

967
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 7: that that would come up after this massive Gaza war,

968
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 7: not only the realities of that war, but also the

969
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 7: propaganda from both sides of that war that was, you know,

970
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 7: but especially anti Israel propaganda. That a real thing. Obviously,

971
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 7: it happens in war. So what do we do? I

972
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 7: guess I hosted a debate on this actually yesterday on

973
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 7: my show, which is should America continue to support Israel?

974
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 7: And I guess you have to get even more particular

975
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 7: than that. My position on the Gods of war was

976
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 7: that the war had to wrap up. That you know,

977
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 7: we have a long standing affection for Israel. Richard Nixon

978
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 7: famously saved Israel. Israel would have been destroyed in seventy three,

979
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 7: but he saved Israel. We have I think we have

980
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 7: more culturally and politically in common with with Israel than

981
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 7: with Israel's enemies, and so I think there is a

982
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 7: there is a reason. It's not a deceit, it's not

983
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 7: just a fraud. There is a reason that we tend

984
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 7: to look more favorably on Israel than on some of

985
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 7: Israel's enemies. But it can go too far. I mean,

986
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 7: when some people say that we have a religious demand

987
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 7: that we must, you know, support the nation state of

988
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 7: Israel and all things, I think that's kind of crazy.

989
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 7: When people say that the nation of Israel is the

990
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 7: greatest ally that America's ever had. I don't see any

991
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 7: evidence of that. You know, it can be a good ally,

992
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 7: but you know, that's such an extreme statement that we

993
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 7: must always, you know, stand with Israel, that you know,

994
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 7: we need Israel more than Israel needs us. Some people

995
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 7: have said all these things. I think that's just taking

996
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 7: the argument too far and it turns people off. Now,

997
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 7: on the flip side of that, when people, you know,

998
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 7: it's kind of like when people realize that feminism is

999
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 7: wrong and they become misogynists for a period just out

1000
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 7: of their contrarian nature, you know, to recognize that the

1001
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 7: relationship with Israel is complex and there are reasons to

1002
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 7: support Israel, but there are obviously limits around. That is

1003
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 7: not to say that we need to start wearing the

1004
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 7: gefeas in marching with Greta Thunberg. Okay, it's not to

1005
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 7: say that, you know, hey, guys, I know what we

1006
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 7: can do. We can form a Christian Islamic alliance and

1007
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 7: that will lead to a period of world peace. I

1008
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 7: have about fourteen hundred years of history. I don't know how

1009
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 7: much time we have on the show today, but about

1010
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 7: fourteen hundred years history to say that's probably not going

1011
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 7: to work. And of course, the migrant crisis in Europe

1012
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 7: into a lesser degree in America is being driven in

1013
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 7: no small part by the unassimilability of Islam. So how

1014
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 7: do we deal with Israel? I thought that Trump's approach

1015
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 7: to this was quite right, which is that, look, you

1016
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 7: just want the war to end. You want to have

1017
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 7: some peace and stability in the region. And what it

1018
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 7: would be best for the American right is not to

1019
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 7: pick you know, all or nothing on Israel, but for

1020
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 7: the importance of Israel to diminish in the minds of

1021
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 7: right wing voters. It just shouldn't be the top issue.

1022
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 7: I think for most people, maybe for anybody, that would

1023
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 7: be my answer. That's a people are going to call

1024
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 7: that a moderate answer or an unsatisfying answer, because it's

1025
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 7: either we need to be chanting from the river to

1026
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 7: the sea, you know, the Arabs will be free, or

1027
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 7: we need to all put on yamakas or something. But

1028
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 7: I don't want to. I don't want to put on

1029
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 7: a kefia. I don't want to put on a Yamica.

1030
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 7: I want to recognize long standing alliances and be prudent

1031
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 7: about it.

1032
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a thing Charlie would talk about that.

1033
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: It's just it would be a very dumb thing to

1034
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 4: destroy the Conservative coalition over our attitude towards what is

1035
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 4: ultimately a foreign country. Yeah, and just for most people,

1036
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 4: that is not what matters in your life nearly as

1037
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 4: much as the economy, whether you can have a family,

1038
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 4: whether you own a home, what our immigration policy is.

1039
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: And it's sort of a touch grass thing. Get offline

1040
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1041
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean the notion gosh. I mean I

1042
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 7: have had people kind of young, very online people, but

1043
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 7: they'll come up to me in public. I'll be in

1044
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 7: a cigar shop. What do you think of Israel? I

1045
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 7: don't think about Israel all that much, if I'm being

1046
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 7: totally frank about it. But if you want my really boring,

1047
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 7: dry answer, here you go. You know he's here are

1048
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 7: the recollections of Richard Nixon. How does that work for you?

1049
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, you know what, I think we do a

1050
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: disservice to that debate by framing it in a binary yeah,

1051
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: that you either have to be four or against And

1052
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 3: it's like, well I like them better than the other guys. Okay,

1053
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: you know, Charlie was raging against the Islamification of the West.

1054
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I am very sympathetic that the fact that

1055
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: they are surrounded on all sides by people that have

1056
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: oftentimes a very hostile ideology towards them and want them dead. Really,

1057
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: but you know, there's I think if we presented more

1058
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: options on the menu that were you know, that we

1059
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: gave young people say hey, you don't have to hate

1060
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: these people. You don't have to be anti these people.

1061
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: You don't have to rage against them or scapegoat them

1062
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 3: or create in them as a boogeyman. That will you

1063
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: know that is the root of all evils in the world.

1064
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: That there are other options on the table if we

1065
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: simply presented that. But I think what is happening is

1066
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 3: that you have an older generation that does think in

1067
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: terms of the binary and they're not really open to

1068
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 3: that debate. And I think what's happening is you're seeing

1069
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: that ripped and wretched open and now we can finally

1070
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: have that debate and not you know, yeah, you know,

1071
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: I know it's all Charlie wanted.

1072
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 7: Actally, Yes, I think in some ways, the way I

1073
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 7: think about this is it probably puts me on the

1074
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Speaker 7: outs with it right, I'm in a bad position right

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Speaker 7: now for the online right. I'm gonna upset everybody for

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Speaker 7: two reasons, in particular on these issues, because I really

1077
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Speaker 7: like Jews and I really like Indians, and the Internet

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 7: tells me I have to hate Indians and Jews for

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Speaker 7: some reason. I don't know Indians how got thrown into this,

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Speaker 7: but I but I really have an h one. I

1081
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Speaker 7: do I know how the Indians got thrown in yet,

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Speaker 7: but I was thinking this. I'm not even joking. I

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Speaker 7: was thinking this the other day when I was eating

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Speaker 7: a Pastramian mustard sandwich on rye. I was thinking, you know,

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Speaker 7: I really like the Jews. I say that, but I

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01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 7: don't like once. I'm sure you've seen all of these debates,

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Speaker 7: these questions. They say, are you a Zionist? And I say, well,

1088
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 7: like literally, I'm not because I don't agree with the

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Speaker 7: historical or religious claims of Zionism. Because I'm a Catholic,

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Speaker 7: I don't. I'm an American Catholic, like I don't. I

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 7: just have a different view of religion. And so if

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Speaker 7: the claim is, you know, true religion tells us that

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Speaker 7: this particular nation has an eternal right to this particular

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Speaker 7: plot of dust. I would just say not, I don't

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Speaker 7: really buy that. I kind of take the King Baldwin option,

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Speaker 7: but that's not really on the table right now.

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Speaker 3: And the Protestants in the room are really upset about you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the land rights are in the Bible. That's fine.

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Speaker 7: But so there's that. But and then there's the historical argument. Well,

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01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 7: you know, the Jews were here for a long time

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Speaker 7: two thousand years ago, and so they should be here again.

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Speaker 7: And I think, well, by that same argument, we should

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Speaker 7: turn over the Black Hills to the Lakota sue. But

1104
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Speaker 7: I'm not giving them Mount Rushmore, you know, so we

1105
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 7: don't accept that logic in other contexts. And so I

1106
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Speaker 7: literally don't agree with that. But I also think the Jews,

1107
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 7: the Jewish nation came about because the British Empire, which

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Speaker 7: controlled that territory, made a promise to them to give

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Speaker 7: it to them, and then the United Nations voted to

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Speaker 7: recognize their nation, and then on top of that, they

1111
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Speaker 7: fought a war of independence and conquest to take that area.

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Speaker 7: So by like every single standard of modern nation states,

1113
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 7: Israel as a legitimate nation state. And so I say

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Speaker 7: so I support it in that way, and I have

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Speaker 7: an affection for the Jews.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: Sorry that my answer isn't terribly ideological, but I think

1118
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Speaker 7: the way to deal with this issue, especially as the

1119
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Speaker 7: fracture is the right, is to stop being so freaking

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Speaker 7: ideological about it. I hate ideology. I think conservatism in

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Speaker 7: many ways is an anti ideology. You know, we prefer

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Speaker 7: the real to the utopian. We prefer a present laughter

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Speaker 7: to utopian bliss, you know, the limited to the unbounded.

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Speaker 7: This is all the kind of conservatism of Michael Oakshot

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Speaker 7: and other other right wing thinkers, and so I just think, like, yeah,

1126
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Speaker 7: let's get down to brass tacks. What's your real issue

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01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 7: with Israel? You don't want the war in Gaza to

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Speaker 7: go on? I agree. Yeah, I'm glad that wrapped up.

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Speaker 7: Good job, Trump, you know that was great. We have

1130
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Speaker 7: alliances with all sorts of nations in the world. They're

1131
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,479
Speaker 7: complicated and we navigate them and yeah, okay, anything else?

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Speaker 7: Can I have my PASTRAMI now? Is that fine?

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Speaker 4: We're on a pretty tight schedule here, so I think

1134
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 4: we want to get to some questions from people and

1135
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Speaker 4: we can get hopefully two, three, four of them yep, Emma.

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Speaker 9: Hi, guys, been praying for you a lot. Keep doing

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Speaker 9: what you're doing. My dad was born in Tehran, Iran,

1138
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Speaker 9: and he came here nineteen seventy seven to escape the

1139
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Speaker 9: revolution that happened. When Trump banned Muslims, he was one

1140
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 9: of the first people to say that it was a

1141
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 9: good thing for the country. And his thing was to say,

1142
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 9: why can't he Why couldn't we not ask if they're

1143
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 9: going to care love the country first over Islam? And

1144
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 9: I think that that seems to be something that people

1145
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 9: are not realizing. My dad is still a Muslim. I

1146
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 9: was saved by Jesus Christ nine years ago and his

1147
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 9: parents were both Muslim and an atheist, and in hospice

1148
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 9: accepted Jesus Christ. So he can save any of you.

1149
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 9: I was an atheist for twenty four years and Jesus

1150
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 9: can change our life. So I think putting Jesus first

1151
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 9: is the answer. But with this stuff, with immigration, we're

1152
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 9: seeing such an awful thing happen, and not everyone.

1153
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 3: Over there is bad. My dad's proof of that.

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Speaker 9: He's come. He's a Muslim and he's assimilated, learned English

1155
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 9: and started a business. So how can we educate people

1156
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 9: on the horrors that can happen if we ignore this threat.

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Speaker 7: I think speaking to Muslims and ex Muslims, but even

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01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 7: you know, current kind of moderate Muslims is a good

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Speaker 7: way to do it. I'm not surprised to hear that

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Speaker 7: your family left after the revolution in Iran, because if

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Speaker 7: you want to hear the most trenchant critics of Iran,

1162
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 7: the people who most desperately want to just light up

1163
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 7: that country and blow up the Malas, it is Iranians

1164
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Speaker 7: who left around the revolution. It's so beautiful to hear

1165
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 7: of your conversion story. You're so right about that. You know,

1166
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Speaker 7: a friend of mine, a Jewish friend of mine, recently converted.

1167
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 7: I said, wow, what did it was? He's very telligent.

1168
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 7: I said, was it this argument or this argument is?

1169
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 7: They said, no, I had a mystical experience of Christ,

1170
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Speaker 7: so oh that'll do it. Yeah, that'll probably do it.

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Speaker 7: And and then even I spoke to it an ex

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01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 7: Muslim who who is also converted, And you know, I

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01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 7: think hearing those practical stories this again, this gets back

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Speaker 7: to what we were just talking about. You know, abstraction

1175
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 7: serves some purpose to clarify things, but when you really

1176
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 7: want to get down into the brass tacks of politics,

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Speaker 7: which you said, practical art. You got to get into

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01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 7: real examples. You know, talk to the real people, talk

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Speaker 7: to the real people who fled Iran, talk to real

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01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 7: Muslims and x Muslims. That's going to clarify things a

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Speaker 7: lot more.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting too, is you know seeing Trump

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01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 3: go through the you know, the Saudi the tour through

1185
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Speaker 3: the Middle East, and so many of those countries are

1186
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 3: have done incredible amounts of labor and work politically, militarily,

1187
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 3: domestically to limit the reach of jihadism, of radical Islam,

1188
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 3: and so you know, the fact that we are playing

1189
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Speaker 3: fast and loose with immigration from that region of the world.

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Speaker 3: Here's my thing. You know, Charlie was always very clear

1191
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 3: about making it macro versus micro Islam. Yeah, on the

1192
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 3: micro level, there's good Muslims are They're wonderful people. There

1193
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Speaker 3: will be a great neighbors that work hard, be good cit.

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Speaker 7: Isen love shwarma. Yeah, I love pastrami and I love shwarma.

1195
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Speaker 7: Does that make me a moderate?

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Speaker 3: You're starting to sound like Piers Morgan.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, which is English, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Act But one last thing here, though, is that My

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Speaker 3: point with uh importing Islam is that you might say

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Speaker 3: you import ten thousand of them, you just need one

1201
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 3: that gets radicalized and then goes and drives through a

1202
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Speaker 3: market or you know, detonates a device or something like that.

1203
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Speaker 3: And my point is the more you bring in, the

1204
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 3: more you're gonna have of that necessary. We have seen

1205
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Speaker 3: this now historically play out. So why play why why

1206
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 3: play flat fast and loose with it at all? You know,

1207
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: and you said put christ first. I'm on the team

1208
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 3: of we should probably do that with immigration too, just

1209
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 3: so just we're yeah, yeah, of course. I mean this.

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01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 3: We assimilate Christians in this country very well. Why don't

1211
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Speaker 3: we just start there?

1212
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Speaker 7: I mean this, by the way, this goes back to

1213
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 7: the founding. John Adams wrote this to Thomas Jefferson that

1214
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 7: the principles of Christianity are the principles on which the

1215
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 7: revolution was one. John Jay writes this in the Federalist Papers.

1216
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 7: He says, a thank God for the providence that we

1217
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 7: come from a common people, with a common experience of

1218
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 7: the revolution, with a common religion, and so it's not

1219
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 7: that we you know. Washington writes this letter to the Jews.

1220
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 7: He doesn't write a letter to the she heites, I noticed,

1221
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 7: but he writes a letter to the Jews, and we

1222
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 7: do have a They even tolerated some Catholics every now

1223
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 7: and again. Obviously we have a history of toleration, but

1224
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 7: you know, we got to be practical about it. A

1225
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 7: little bit of spice flavors the melting pot, but you

1226
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 7: don't want to pour in whatever that Somali dish that

1227
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Speaker 7: Jacob Fry tried to choke down the other day.

1228
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Speaker 3: Let's get another question or two here over there. Hi, Michael,

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Speaker 3: my name is Brody.

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Speaker 12: I'm a sixteen My mom and I wanted to know

1231
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 12: what you were doing when you were sixteen and what

1232
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 12: advice you had for someone that might want to get

1233
01:07:58,320 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 12: into politics when they're older.

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 7: Great question. I was a political junkie as a kid,

1235
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 7: going back to when I was six actually even earlier.

1236
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 7: I remember the Bob Dole election in nineteen ninety. I

1237
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 7: was like the I was the most excited about Bob

1238
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 7: Dole winning, including Bob Dole, and.

1239
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: So I did so.

1240
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 3: I was into that.

1241
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 7: I was doing student government, class president, all that stuff

1242
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 7: when I was sixteen. I was also smoking cigars. I

1243
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 7: started doing that at fifteen. I'm not I'm not recommending.

1244
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 7: I'm not not recommending, but I'm not. Legally I'm not

1245
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 7: allowed to recommend.

1246
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 3: But contractually, you only got one company pitch for your cigar.

1247
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 7: Everyone else I got to say for Yeah, but I

1248
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 7: was typically engaged, and I would. I would recommend starting

1249
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 7: in those small and local ways. The great counterexample to

1250
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 7: this is, of course, our pal Charlie, who decided that

1251
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 7: he was going to be on the fast track to

1252
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 7: president at eighteen.

1253
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Speaker 3: He got involved in local campaigning in Chicago a lot,

1254
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: and so I totally agree with you.

1255
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 7: You got to start a little local, and I would.

1256
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 7: I would recommend not getting famous, ax. I think there's

1257
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 7: a real impulse, especially for zoomers who are raised on

1258
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 7: the internet, basically weaned on TikTok. You don't want to

1259
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 7: get famous before you really formed, before you really have

1260
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 7: something to say and to do. So, I would recommend,

1261
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 7: on the one hand, get that practical experience that you

1262
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,879
Speaker 7: can't get from books, out of student government, school board elections,

1263
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 7: maybe even a congressional helping out, interning or something. But

1264
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 7: then also read, immerse yourself in history and political philosophy,

1265
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 7: and really take the opportunity to be a kid, albeit

1266
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 7: a precocious kid, and to have a real education. That's

1267
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 7: going to set you up in a much stronger way

1268
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 7: to be than seriously involved in politics. And then you're

1269
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 7: not running for class president. Maybe you're running for president president.

1270
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Speaker 3: I know it stinks.

1271
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 4: I think we only have time for one more.

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Speaker 3: Probably we have five minutes. All right, Well let's get

1273
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 3: another one.

1274
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 4: Let's see how fast it goes.

1275
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 14: Hi, my name is Katie.

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 15: I have the honor of serving as president of our

1277
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 15: Turning Point chapter at the University of Cincinnati. I would

1278
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 15: think you I would love your advice onto issues I'm seeing. First,

1279
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 15: we have a lot of students who want to get

1280
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 15: involved but are afraid and that stops them from coming

1281
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 15: to meetings. And second, we have a ton of students

1282
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 15: who want to know so much more about Christ, but

1283
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 15: they don't want to talk about that nearly as much

1284
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 15: as they want to talk about politics. So how can

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Speaker 15: I best reach both of these groups?

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Speaker 7: You guys run Turning Point. I just show up every

1287
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 7: now and again. You take that they showed up for

1288
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 7: you though. That's fair enough, Okay, that's fine. I would

1289
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 7: say you should embrace the fact that they are drawn

1290
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 7: to these two things and not even push against the

1291
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 7: fact that they find politics more titillating. Maybe recognize that

1292
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 7: politics has something to say about religion, and religion certainly

1293
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 7: has something to say about politics. There has been an

1294
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 7: impulse in American Christianity for a long time to try

1295
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 7: to divorce the two and to say that politics is

1296
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 7: icky and we shouldn't play with it. And you know,

1297
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 7: Christianity is something totally different. You know, Christ is incarnate

1298
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 7: in history. That's what we're about to commemorate. He'll be

1299
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 7: he'll return again, by the way, in the Second Coming.

1300
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 7: And he is born into an empire. And that's significant

1301
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 7: because he's born into the Roman Empire, which claims the

1302
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 7: right to tax the whole world, which is a recognition

1303
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 7: that the civil authority has jurisdiction over the whole world,

1304
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 7: which means that the passion and the crucifixion of Christ

1305
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 7: saves the whole world. You know, the historical and the

1306
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 7: political tells us something about the religious truth and vice versa.

1307
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 7: And of course Saint Paul tells us the civil authority

1308
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 7: is therefore our own good is given by God and

1309
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 7: doesn't bear the sword in vain, so I would just say,

1310
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 7: don't try to split them apart, or say you want

1311
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 7: to talk about politics, that's only talk about religion. Maybe

1312
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 7: recognize that this is an integral hole because Christ is

1313
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 7: the God, not just of your church or some other church,

1314
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 7: is the God of the whole cosmos, which means he's

1315
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 7: even the.

1316
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:50,839
Speaker 12: God of politics.

1317
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 2: The hardest working radio show.

1318
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 6: In the business, that Charlie Kirk Show.

1319
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 3: I think we have time for one more, Okay, I

1320
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 3: just want to add one other point to this is

1321
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 3: that Charlie became an expert at integrating his faith into

1322
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 3: political answers. But he started by being able to give

1323
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 3: you a political answer to any political question without bringing

1324
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 3: in politics. So he spent a long time sharpening his

1325
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: arguments without politics at all, and then as he got older,

1326
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 3: he started just incorporating them. But you get really good

1327
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 3: at the logic with or without the first thing, I

1328
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 3: would say, And then you know, to Michael's point, it's

1329
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 3: like politics can be the doorway in. But Charlie used

1330
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 3: to always say that those who drink from the streams

1331
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 3: of liberty will eventually find its source. We believe that's Christ.

1332
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 3: And so you may not know the order through which

1333
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 3: which door they're going to walk in first, and just

1334
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 3: be open, listen to the spirit, prayerfully and you'll get there.

1335
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, all.

1336
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 3: Right, two minutes, we have two minutes.

1337
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 7: Two minutes fast. Question to be real quick.

1338
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 14: Yeah, Hi guys. My name is Jamie. I'm from the

1339
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,520
Speaker 14: state of California. I don't know if I should.

1340
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 3: Be two old of that, but beautiful state.

1341
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 14: It is a beautiful state. My family and I were

1342
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 14: so blessed to be here last year in this room.

1343
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 14: Actually we saw the great back and forth, the friendly

1344
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 14: banter that Michael, you and Charlie had last year about

1345
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 14: Catholicism and Christianity, and that brings me to I came

1346
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 14: with my family, Like I said, I have my eleven

1347
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 14: year old and my thirteen year old here. They were

1348
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 14: here last year as well. And my question for you

1349
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 14: is they've My thirteen year old will be going into

1350
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 14: high school next year. We've prayed on it a lot.

1351
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 14: Unfortunately it's it's kind of out of our scope right

1352
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 14: now to put him in a private high school. So

1353
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 14: he will be going into a public school next year.

1354
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 14: He's been in private school from kindergarten through eighth grade.

1355
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 14: So I wanted to ask the three you really words

1356
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 14: of encouragement, words of wisdom that you can give to

1357
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 14: just not just my son. We actually brought five kids

1358
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 14: with us, ranging from seven year olds at thirteen. Now

1359
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 14: we're talking, so would love to hear what you guys

1360
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 14: have for them.

1361
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 7: Thank you first, how many kids did you say?

1362
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 5: Five?

1363
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 7: Five? So Mormon, Catholic, or Orthodox Jew? So I would

1364
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 7: just say, don't try to split them apart or say

1365
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 7: you want to talk about politics, that's only talk about religion.

1366
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 7: Maybe recognize that this is an integral hole because Christ

1367
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 7: is the God, not just of your church or some

1368
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 7: other church. He's the god of the whole cosmos, which

1369
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 7: means he's even the god of politics.

1370
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 3: I think we have time for one more, Okay, I

1371
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 3: just want to add one. Other points to this is

1372
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 3: that Charlie would became an expert at integrating his faith

1373
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 3: into political answers. But he started by being able to

1374
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 3: give you a political answer to any political question without

1375
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 3: without bringing in politics. So he spent a long time

1376
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 3: sharpening his arguments without politics at all, and then as

1377
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 3: he got older, he started just just incorporating them. But

1378
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 3: you get really good at the logic with or without

1379
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 3: the first thing I would say. And then you know,

1380
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: to Michael's point, it's like politics can be the door

1381
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 3: doorway in. But Charlie used to always say that those

1382
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 3: who drink from the streams of liberty will eventually find

1383
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 3: its source. We believe that's Christ and so you may

1384
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 3: not know the order through which which door they're going

1385
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 3: to walk in first, and just be open, listen to

1386
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 3: the spirit, prayerfully and you'll get there. Yep, yeah, all right,

1387
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 3: two minutes, we have two minutes. Fast question.

1388
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 7: I'll be real quick.

1389
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 14: Yeah, Hi guys, my name is Jamie. I'm from the

1390
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 14: state of California. I don't know if I should.

1391
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: Be two year old that, but beautiful state.

1392
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 14: It is a beautiful state. My family and I were

1393
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 14: so blessed to be here last year in this room.

1394
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 14: Actually we saw the great back and forth, the friendly

1395
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 14: banter that Michael, you and Charlie had last year about

1396
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 14: Catholicism and Christianity, and that brings me to I came

1397
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 14: with my family, Like I said, I have my eleven

1398
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 14: year old and my thirteen year old here. They were

1399
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 14: here last year as well, and my question for you

1400
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 14: is they've my thirteen year old will be going into

1401
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 14: high school next year. We've prayed on it a lot. Unfortunately,

1402
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 14: it's it's kind of out of our scope right now

1403
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 14: to put him in a private high school, So he

1404
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 14: will be going into a public school next year. He's

1405
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 14: been in private school from kindergarten through eighth grade. So

1406
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 14: I wanted to ask the three you really words of encouragement,

1407
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 14: words of wisdom that you can give to just not

1408
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 14: just my son. We actually brought five kids with us,

1409
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 14: ranging from seven.

1410
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 7: Year olds at thirteen now we're talking, so.

1411
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 14: We'd love to hear what you guys have for them.

1412
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 7: Think you first, how many kids? Did you say?

1413
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 14: Five?

1414
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 7: Five? So Mormon, Catholic or Orthodox Jews.

1415
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 14: We're actually here with three families. The four it's me

1416
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 14: and my husband and my eleven year old and thirteen

1417
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 14: year older here for the second time. We actually brought

1418
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 14: two other families with us this year that we're so

1419
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 14: excited just to really hear of what Charlie left. And

1420
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 14: I saw, I will say this in this room, the

1421
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 14: words of wisdom with Charlie, I'm gonna get I saw

1422
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 14: at firsthand the impact that Charlie had on these kids. Yeah,

1423
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 14: my eleven year old came up to be the night

1424
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 14: that he was shot, and he put his head in

1425
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 14: my lap when Erica was speaking, and he's like, why

1426
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 14: did this happen? So I just want to say that

1427
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 14: we missed Charlie so much and I got to meet Daisy.

1428
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 14: Thank you so much for what you've done. So anyway,

1429
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 14: I didn't expect to cry, but we just it's happy.

1430
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 14: We know Charlie's here, we feel his presence. But anything

1431
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 14: you guys can give us on closing out, especially to

1432
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 14: this young youth that really is looking for some words

1433
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:09,560
Speaker 14: of wisdom.

1434
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 7: Well, I would say on the very practical school point,

1435
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 7: you know, happily you've given your kid a great formation,

1436
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 7: you know, and even like with William F. Buckley Junior,

1437
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 7: great American Conservative, he was homeschooled through eighth grade, you know,

1438
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 7: he had that and then he went to whatever other school,

1439
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 7: and so you really that's the formation that period right

1440
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 7: up until the teenage years. You've done such a great

1441
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 7: job of making that really solid that I think you

1442
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 7: can have reasonable confidence that the teachers won't screw it

1443
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 7: up too much in the public school. But you have

1444
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 7: to keep an eye I would say, you have to

1445
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 7: keep a real eye on it. The reason homeschooling spiked

1446
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 7: during COVID is because kids went home, they looked at

1447
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 7: what their teachers. The parents looked at what the teachers

1448
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 7: were telling the kids over the computer screen, and they

1449
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 7: yanked their kids out of schools because they said, this

1450
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 7: is insane and it's poison. So you have to be

1451
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 7: very responsive to that. It sounds though from your story

1452
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 7: about Charlie, obviously all of us are. You know, this

1453
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 7: is a big one and this is the last event

1454
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 7: that Charlie directly left us. That dawned on me yesterday

1455
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 7: was coming in here and you know his pictures all

1456
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 7: over and you know, yeah, this is a this is

1457
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 7: a particular America. It's always growing, it's always big, it's

1458
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 7: always spirit filled, and this one in particular. So we're

1459
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 7: all kind of uh working through that a little bit

1460
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 7: and uh, you know, living that. The fact that your

1461
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 7: kid would have that reaction to this event tells you

1462
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 7: he's in a good spot. I think he's going to

1463
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 7: be all right now.

1464
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 4: We still have a lot of of course, if they

1465
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 4: want encouragement on the other practical things.

1466
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,480
Speaker 3: There's a lot of videos of Charlie arguing with liberals.

1467
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 4: And true and I guess because people like that. To

1468
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 4: close on a pedantic religious point, are would they be

1469
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 4: allowed to pray for Charlie's intercession on their behalf.

1470
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 7: Or is that not allowed unless he's not formally canonized yet.

1471
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 7: Although there was a bishop who I forget which bishop

1472
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 7: it was, who said that Charlie was almost certainly a martyr,

1473
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 7: a marder for the faith though though he's not the pope,

1474
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 7: And I guess we'll have to save the pope debate

1475
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 7: for the next the next one.

1476
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 3: Everybody, Michael Knowles, thank.

1477
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 7: You, every dingus so much.

1478
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 3: Thank you,