1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Hello, Stuff you should know, come and see us in 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Orlando or New Orleans because that's your last chance. Yeah, Orlando, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: we're going to be at the Plaza Live October nine. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: New Orleans We're going to be at the Civic Theater October. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: Just go to s Y s K live dot com 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: and you will find info and links to buy tickets 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: and then you can come see us because they won't 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: let you in the door without them. I'm sorry, that's right. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: And if you want to come see me, I will 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: be in Chicago at Lincoln Hall on September twelve, and 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: I will be in Austin, Texas at the North Door 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: on October two. Uh. Ticket links are weirdly hard to find, 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: so just look up End of the World, Josh Clark, 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Austin or Chicago and you will find what you're looking for. 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: See you guys soon. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. So I'm Josh Clark, and 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: there's Charles W Chuck, Brian, there's Jerry over there, and 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: this is the podcast. Like I said, in particular, it's 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: the Stuff you Should Know podcast. So if that's not 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: what you're here to listen to, you're in the wrong place. 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: And if you don't want to listen to us talk 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: about government shutdowns, then you're in the wrong place. But 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: who doesn't want to know about government shutdowns? Yeah? I agree, 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: educate yourself right as a matter of fact, because it's 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: gonna happen again soon enough. That's exactly right. That is 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: why I wanted to do this episode because I've been 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: meaning for us to do this for years now, and 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: every time, um we do it, and it's like, every 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: time I go to do it, say, let's do a 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: government shutdown episode, I think, is what I'm trying to say. Sorry, 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: just drank a red Bull because I was about to 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: fall over, and now I'm talking really fast. Just give 34 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: me like ten minutes, okay, and you're drinking a Coca Cola. Well, 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: we don't have zero here anymore. This is all we have. 36 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: You want that extra caffeine kick on top of the 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: red bull? I think I have just this twelve ounce can. 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: It's not even gone, and I think I've burned a 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: hole in my stomach. It's crazy, but delicious. It is delicious. 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: I'll give you that. But coke zero is really delicious 41 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: too for being a diet cola at any rate. Government shutdowns. Um, 42 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: you were saying, Yeah, every time we go to do this, 43 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: the government shuts down, so it looks like we're chasing 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: a trend. So we have to wait. And I'm like, 45 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: finally the time is right, because it wouldn't be cool 46 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: to do one in the midst of one. Is that 47 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the deal definitely not gotcha. No, that's like buying a 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: T shirt at a concert and then putting that T 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: shirt on and looking around like, yeah, I'm at the 50 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: concert with that horrible smell. No T shirt, especially concert 51 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: t shirts they're printed out of, you know, straight chemicals, 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: out of Buffalo Bill's basement, Native skin Man. He's been 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: on my mind a lot because of the Geen episode. 54 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: Well because that, and then I just saw on the 55 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: movie Crusher's page someone posted a funny little thing that 56 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: was a Buffalo Bill tender profile. Is really funny that, uh, 57 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: and then there was something else from this past weekend. 58 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: There was a lot of Buffalo Bill happening. He's he's everywhere. Yeah, 59 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: remember we used to send each other that that one 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: screen shot that was great back when we shared a 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: cubicle wall I know, and it was easy enough to 62 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: do that back in the day. Now we have gold 63 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: plated air on chairs and no walls anywhere I take 64 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: a regular air on. I think that's what you're sitting 65 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: here right now. It was quite comfy. So anyway, welcome 66 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh, there's Chuck. We should edit 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: all that other stuff out, don't you think, or get 68 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: money from Red Bull, Coca Cola and Airon and Buffalo 69 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: Bill right, um or the Buffalo Bills football team. Dang man, 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: you just really pulled it together with that last one. 71 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: So we've been through some shutdowns in our time, Chuck 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: our day. Yeah, as a matter of fact, Um, you'd 73 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: think based on how common they kind of seem. I 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: mean every few years. There's like the federal government, I 75 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: should say, for our fellow listeners outside of the United States, 76 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: our government is broken, right, We're talking about government shutdowns, 77 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: and it's a lot like what it sounds like. I mean, 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: we'll get to the nuts and bolts of it, obviously, 79 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: but it's basically where the federal government, not state governments, 80 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: but the federal USA government parts of it just stop functioning. 81 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: And the reason they stop functioning is because those agencies 82 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: that those parts of the federal government have not been funded, 83 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: and since they haven't been funded by law, by Congressional 84 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: Act from years back, they are not allowed to pay 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: workers any longer. They're not even allowed to accept volunteer 86 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: work from their workers. So with no workers, that means 87 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: the agency shuts down, and that's a that's a government shutdown. 88 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. Literally parts of the government shutdown. Yeah, 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: and again we will get into all the nuts and bolts, 90 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: but it's uts down because of funding gaps, and those 91 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: funding gaps happen almost always because of um entrenched politics. Yeah, 92 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: it's it's two sides playing chicken over the budget, and 93 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: when the government shutdown happens, neither side blinked, right. And 94 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: it's also very important to point out that a big 95 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: part of government shut downs is trying to get the 96 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: other side too, maybe not accept blame, because no one 97 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: ever does, it seems like, but at least the perception 98 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: in the general media that this person or this side 99 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: is the one to blame. Yeah, and more often than not, 100 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: public polling shows that it's Congress that almost always takes 101 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: to blame. Until this last one, it was always Congress, right, 102 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: no matter what, which is funny that they would try 103 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: to pull us off because it's so politically risky, because 104 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: it's so damaging on an individual level among like federal 105 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: employees or just average Americans, but also on a national level. Yeah, 106 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: our economy takes a huge, huge hit that we just 107 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: never regain. All right, that's a great setup and I 108 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: think so too, So Chuck, to start, I think we 109 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: should talk about how money moves around the federal government, 110 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah, And this is uh again, if you 111 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: live outside the country, and even if you live in 112 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: the United States, um, you you may not understand what 113 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: power of the purse means. But in the United States 114 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: and in the US Constitution, Article one, Section nine, Class seven. Yeah, 115 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: not even the Bill of Rights, like the Constitution. Yeah, 116 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: like this is one of the first things they thought about. 117 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: It was Congress who was granted control over the money. So, um, 118 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: the president and can't just fund something. Uh, the Senate 119 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: can't just fund something. Everything has to be agreed on 120 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: and they can't spend a dime without Congress's express approval. 121 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Through this process, we're going to get into called appropriations, right, 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: and so in the Constitution It just said the Congress 123 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: is the one that approves all money. Everything comes through Congress. Right, Yeah, 124 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: we should read that because it does have one funny line. 125 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: Go ahead in from the Constitution, no money shall be 126 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of the appropriations 127 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: made by law. So far, so good, and a regular 128 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: statement of account of receipts and expenditures of all money 129 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: shall be published from time to time. It's very non specific. 130 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: Whenever you get to it. Why not, like you know, 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: in November of every year. I honestly don't know, because 132 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean from time to time makes it seem unimportant. 133 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: It makes it seem uh, what's the word when you 134 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: don't have to do something, makes it seem non mandatory? Yeah, optional, optional, 135 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: that's the word. I know you so well after all 136 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: these years. So that's the from Article one of the Constitution, 137 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: and presidents from seventeen seventy eight onward said, okay, I 138 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: can work with that. There's a huge loophole here, like no, 139 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't, you know, spend money myself, Like 140 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: I can't pay anybody myself. I have to wait for Congress. 141 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean I can't like get the work 142 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: done first, and then when it comes time to pay, 143 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: I can just direct this contractor vendor, whoever, militiaman to 144 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Congress to go get money, which is really I mean, 145 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: that is so United States government to be like, well, 146 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: I'm technically not writing the check. I've just engaged someone 147 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: services and now we owe them this money. Yeah, Congress, 148 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: pay this guy. He's he yeah, yeah, we he did 149 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: what he's saying he did. And so there was this 150 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: representative in Virginia who was not happy about this, this 151 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: kind of precedent that had been adopted by the executive 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: branch um. This representative said in eighteen o six that 153 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: presidents were acting like a saucy boy whose wealthy grandfather 154 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: was going to cover his needs, and that that was 155 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: the case. So eventually Congress said, we got to close 156 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: the sloophole, and they did in eighteen eighty four. I 157 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: think yeah. The Anti Deficiency Act basically said no, you 158 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: can't just uh pay the guy to paint your house 159 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: and then stand there tapping your toes looking at the 160 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: guy with the checkbook right exactly. As a matter of fact, 161 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: they said you can't spend a single time that Congress 162 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: hasn't already appropriated for that. That's right. You just can't 163 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: do it so much so that again you can't even 164 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: accept volunteer work unless it is basically to protect life, 165 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: for public safety, something really really important. But when we 166 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: say we fund you, Congress funds the Executive Branch, all 167 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: the agencies in the federal government, we really mean it. 168 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: And that's what the Anti Deficiency Act really said. Yeah, 169 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: but it would take until nine when Richard Nixon signed 170 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: the Congress Budget and Impoundment Control Act. It's a barn burner. Yeah, 171 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: but that's what really changed everything, and that's what kind 172 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: of laid out this process that we still work with 173 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: today or don't work with, or sit on our hands 174 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: and hold our breath, right I ideally it functions kind 175 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: of clunky even in its best form, but purposefully so 176 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: it's to keep Congress from being profligate with its spending, right, 177 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Like I mean, it's to say, this group over here 178 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: and this group over here, we're taking the same tasking, 179 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: making you guys do it twice separately and then come 180 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: together and hammer out the details. Yeah, it's really discouraging 181 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: to look at the history of our country in the 182 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, the idea should be that, like, all right, 183 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: we know that in this country we have a lot 184 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: of people that feel one way about a lot of stuff, 185 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people that feel the other way, and 186 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: the government's job should be to come together and negotiate 187 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: and find nice middle grounds. And it seems like it's 188 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: more like the government just finds loopholes and is sneaky 189 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: and underhanded to find workarounds from actually trying to work 190 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: together and find a middle ground. Stinks? Does stink? Sick 191 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: of it? I'm I'm pretty fed up with government too. 192 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: I think most people in America, and I would gather 193 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: the UK too, all right, oh man, especially right now. So, uh, 194 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: here's how it happens. Every year, the two chambers of Congress, 195 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: they have to agree on a budget for the discretionary spending, 196 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: which is I think only of the overall budget is 197 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: is discretionary. Um. Everything else is mandatory or nondiscretionary, and 198 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: that means stuff that you just can't not pay for, 199 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: right um. And it's mostly things like Medicaid, medicare, social 200 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: security entitlement programs to where these are These are mandatory 201 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: programs that are created by an Act of Congress that 202 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: says whatever these programs need to run and operate. That's 203 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: how much Congress gives them. There's no spending levels, there's 204 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: no you know what about this is like you can 205 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: go in and monkey with the operation by Congressional Act. 206 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: But as far as spending in budget goes, whatever they 207 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: need they get. That's right. The other stuff, the discretionary stuff, 208 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: that's what you say about thirty of the budget. But 209 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: that's still like in two thousand eighteen that was one 210 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: point two trillion dollars. And it's really important stuff. It's 211 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: not like the mandatory spending is the only important stuff. 212 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: We're talking about. The f d A, Homeland Security t 213 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: s A, UH, the n i H, National Parks, the 214 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: i r S, the Department of Defense. Yeah, big time stuff. 215 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: Basically everything except so security, medicaid and medicare. Oh really 216 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: is that essentially? Geez? I know? All right, So this 217 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: all starts, this appropriations process. Uh. It's laid out for 218 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: the first Monday in February UM and this is the deadline. 219 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: It lines up with the deadline for the president to 220 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: submit uh their budget to Congress, which you always here. 221 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: This is the president's budget. The president over you know, 222 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: overseas stuff, and approved stuff. But the president is not 223 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: in there with the calculator crunching numbers. No, No, it's 224 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Office of Management and Budget that does it for the president. 225 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: That's right, but it's under the president's direction. The president says, 226 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: I really want to do this, but I don't want 227 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: to do this anymore. But the thing is, it's almost 228 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: like a little kid going through the Montgomery Ward wish 229 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: book and then writing their list in crayon that has 230 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: about the same polling power as the president's budget. It 231 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: really is saying this is what the president wants to do, 232 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: and then Congress either says these are good ideas or 233 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: they say we're not listening to that at all, because 234 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: it's not legally binding in any way. There's probably in 235 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: fact party line templates. They just throw down like a 236 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: mad lib and they tweak it a little bit, but 237 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: they say like, well, here's the Republican style budget, and 238 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: here's the Democratic style budget Obama or Trump, and now 239 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: do your minor tweaks. Right. I think that is kind 240 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: of it's got to be because it's a huge, massive document. Yeah, 241 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: they can't like start from scratch every time, can they know? 242 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: It's got to be like the first few pages are 243 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: what really count, you know what I mean, it's got 244 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: to be. But again and this is like, uh, they 245 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: call it in this article like a the wish list 246 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: of funding priorities, and that's a good way to put it. 247 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: The Montgomery Award wish book wish list that I was 248 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: Sears kid. I didn't discriminate. I went through all of 249 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: them to make sure. Yeah, we didn't even have Montgomery Wards. 250 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: So I never I've never laid eyes upon that catalog. 251 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: It was. It was good. It was a good one. 252 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: I put it up against the series one. Yeah we 253 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: had Sears. And then I guess Service Merchandise was I 254 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: remember that didn't they sell everything from like diamond rings 255 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: and Cassio keyboards? They sold everything. I think I bought 256 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: my very first guitar from Service Merchandise and returned it 257 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: like a week later because it was cretty, and I 258 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: went to a real guitar store, sam Ash. No, actually 259 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: I remember I went to dirt cheap music on Memorial 260 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: Drives any shop local. Yeah, yeah, dirt cheap buzz marketing 261 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: for a business that is no longer around. So, uh, 262 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: they've got this wish list. Then it goes on to 263 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: Congress and they have to pass what's called a concurrent 264 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: budget resolution, right, and Congress can totally ignore the president's budget. 265 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: They can taken into consideration, um if the if Congress 266 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: is in the controlled by the same party the president is, 267 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: the president's wishes are probably going to be taken into constitution. 268 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: But ultimately Congress says, this is what we want to do. 269 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: And from what I can tell, when they come up 270 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: with this concurrent um budget, right, yeah, concurrent budget a 271 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: CBS are current budget resolution, it's basically just setting the 272 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: spending for the year. Right. That's that's all that is, 273 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: isn't it like this the cap on what the federal 274 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: government can spend entirely? I think. So it's just that 275 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: broad agreement of the total amount of spending, and then 276 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: it starts to get divvied up. Yeah, they're not in 277 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: the weeds at this point, but they're supposed to pass 278 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: that by mid April. Uh. And that's where they set 279 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: these spending levels for twenty categories. And this is where 280 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, this is where it starts tore down or 281 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: not breakdown, but like in a bad way, but they 282 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: start to break it down because it's such a massive thing. 283 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: You gotta break it down into smaller departments. Right. So 284 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: Congress says, here's the total amount of money that we're 285 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: going to spend this year. Uh, And it goes to 286 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: the Appropriations Committee in the Senate and the Appropriations Committee 287 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: in the House, and then each of them says, Okay, 288 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: we've got this this whole. Let's divvy it up into 289 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: twelve slices. Not necessarily equal slices. I think they'd probably 290 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: be pretty lazy. Um, but they say, you know, Agriculture 291 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: and Rural Development, you're going to get this much this year, Commerce, Justice, 292 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: and Science you're going to get this much, like this 293 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: slice of the pie. And they do that over twelve 294 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: departments that roughly correspond to the different cabinet posts in 295 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: the federal government. That's right. And it's up to those subcommittees, 296 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: those twelve different ones, once they get their little slice 297 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: of pie, to then decide how to eat that high. Yeah, 298 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: I think it's that piece of the pie. There's an 299 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: appropriation subcommittee that says, this is how you're going to 300 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: spend this, and they have hearings and stuff like that, 301 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: where like the heads of these departments come and say, 302 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: we really need this we've got some really exciting stuff 303 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: coming up. Give us some more money. Where we figured 304 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: out how to ride sharks and hunt dolphins with spear guns, 305 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: and we really want to get into that this year. 306 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: Or you know, we really need to build this thing, 307 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: or the military really needs to upgrade that thing, stuff 308 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: like that. And then these appropriation subcommittees, each one dedicated 309 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: to a group of agencies or a couple an agency, 310 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: just a single one, um say okay, this is how 311 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: we're going to spend this money. And then once that 312 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: happens in the House and the same thing happens in 313 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: the Senate, those two groups, the appropriation subcommittees for each 314 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: of these twelve slices of pie, come together ideally and 315 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: they say, well, we came up with this, what do 316 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: you guys come up with? And they say, well, we 317 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: came up with this, and we're off by seven billion dollars. 318 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: How are we going to figure this out? That's great? 319 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: Only seven billion hours, right, that's nothing these days. Well, 320 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: they negotiate with each other to come up with a 321 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: joint spending bill. UM. I imagine those meetings are contentious 322 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: and tough, and eventually, though ideally, they negotiate that spending bill. 323 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: Then that gets sent to the president and they can 324 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: veto that or sign that. Right. So, remember there's twelve 325 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: there's actually twenty four of these going on over twelve 326 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: different slices of pie. And when they come back together 327 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: and form twelve different appropriations resolutions, um, they can say 328 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: we're done, this is good, Let's send it to the 329 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 1: president and the president can sign that. If things are 330 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: going along really smoothly and Congress wants to show off there, 331 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: they will say, we want to get all these together 332 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: in one package, but we're going to present all twelve 333 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: to the president and the president can either sign or veto. 334 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: So they could the president can sign or veto each 335 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: one separately, in small groups or as a whole. As 336 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: a whole is called omnibus. If you if you've ever 337 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: heard the term omnibus spending bill and you're like, what 338 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: in the world is at That just means this everything 339 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: group together, right. And so one reason that you would 340 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: go through the headache of trying to put all twelve 341 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: of those appropriations bills into one package is that if 342 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: there's something in one of those appropriations bills that you 343 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: want out, you've got a lot more leverage than the 344 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: other eleven that you can trade from the budget as 345 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: a whole to get that thing out or get this 346 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: thing in. If it's one appropriations bill, you have much 347 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: less leverage. So that's why they would go to that trouble. 348 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: But that's fairly rare, I believe. Yeah, And this is 349 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: all due by October one, because that is the beginning 350 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: of the federal government's fiscal year, is October one. And 351 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: since we've been doing this in modern times, I believe 352 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: in ninety seven, um was when we started this process. 353 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: Congress has passed all twelve by October one by that 354 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: deadline only four times. Four times, that's right. So we'll 355 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: take break and we'll discuss what happens all of the 356 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: other times right after this. So okay, Congress comes. Also, 357 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: big shout out to Dave Rouss. This is his first 358 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: article that we're doing an episode on. Yeah, Dave is 359 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: one of the great writers from how Stuff Works dot 360 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: Com that we long admired over the years and tapped 361 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: him to do some stuff for us, tapping him. We're 362 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: tapping him and he's tapping back. It's great. We've got 363 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: a pretty great little stable going here. We've got Dave 364 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: Russ Julia Layton in the grab st all writing for 365 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: stuff you should know right now, that's right, And I 366 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: think if they keep up the good work, then that's 367 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: all we need. Sure, Yeah, I think so too, because 368 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: we still put together our own stuff too. I want 369 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: to give us a pad on the back as well. 370 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: All right, that's fine, alright, So I just pulled the 371 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: muscle in my I can't write this week. So Um, 372 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: like we said before the break, UM, this has only 373 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: happened four times in the since nineteen seventy seven that 374 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: all twelve approp appropriations bills were passed by that October 375 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: one deadline. So when it comes to October two, it 376 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: doesn't mean if um, we haven't passed those appropriations bills, 377 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: that's like everything just stops working. Because if you pay 378 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: attention to the news, you will notice that there's something 379 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: called a continuing resolution. So this can happen for a 380 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: lot of reasons. One UM, One good and sort of 381 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: non offensive reason could be that, man, we were really 382 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: close and we're almost there. We just need another week 383 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: or the weekend. We'll work through the weekend even to 384 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: get this done. Um. A good but offensive reason is 385 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: because someone farted and everyone cleared out of the chamber 386 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: and missed the deadline, so they had to do it continuing. 387 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: Uh No, I mean if they're close and they just 388 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: need a few more days to work it out, then 389 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: that can happen. They'll pass a continuing resolution, which means 390 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: everything stays the same. You don't get any more money, 391 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: or you don't get money taken away, just keep like 392 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: operate as usual. Right. You can't increase spending. You can, 393 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: you can spend differently or whatever, but you can't spend 394 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: above the levels of the previous fiscal year're currently in. Right, 395 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: that's right, Okay, I'm with you. I think continuing resolution, 396 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: whether it's one for a day or for a year, 397 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: and there have been ones that have been like year 398 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: long continuing resolution. Yeah, there's no limit. You can pass 399 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: them forever long you think you need. Um, it does 400 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: show that negotiations are still ongoing. They haven't broken down. 401 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: It haven't reached the point where where they're in agreement yet, 402 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: that's right. The problem comes when they stop issuing continuing resolutions, 403 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: that's right. Uh. Day two and a few pretty cool 404 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: facts here, UM, A hundred and eighty six continuing resolutions 405 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: have been passed since nineteen seventy seven and a hundred 406 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: and seventeen or those of those or those have been 407 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: since nine. Yes, so it's taking them a hundred and 408 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: seventeen times that they could not work it out since nine. 409 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah, that's it is. But if you 410 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: think about it, the um it's about evenlyplit. Well, no, 411 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: it's not evenly split. It's like seventy two I think, 412 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: six hundred and seventeen over to twenty year periods, and 413 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: it does seem to be getting worse, but that's kind 414 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: of lopsided because in two thousand one there were twenty 415 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: one of that hundred and seventeen. Twenty one of them 416 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: all came in two thousand one. Yeah, so I'm not 417 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: quite sure about this, but I wonder is the number 418 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: of increasing continuing resolutions is that like a barometer for 419 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: government or how government is working? Uh? I don't know, 420 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: because I wonder, because I mean, ideally like they would 421 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: get all this done by the October first deadline every time, 422 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: Well it depends because um, as this points out, like 423 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: sometimes it is over the weekend and it's just a 424 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: few days and they're like really close to having it 425 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: worked out. So to me, that's not the biggest deal 426 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: in the world. That doesn't mean the government isn't functioning well, 427 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean as well as it ever does, am I right? 428 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: But like in two thousand, seven, eleven, and thirteen, they 429 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: were all year long. There were no appropriations bills, right, 430 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: they just said we're just gonna repeat last or no 431 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: real appropriation spills. I guess right. They just they just said, 432 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: remember the spending levels from before. Go with God, that's 433 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: what you got again this year because that's when things 434 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: are bad. So um continuing resolutions to like it doesn't 435 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: affect spending levels or it doesn't increase him. It can't, 436 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: I wonder. I don't know if it can decrease him 437 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: or not. I know you it just basically says the 438 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: same spending levels last year, So maybe it can't decrease 439 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: him either. I think you can't decrease I think it's 440 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: just your current funding is locked. Right, But you can 441 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: attach writers onto continuing resolutions. Yeah, these policy writers. Um, 442 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: those can be like the make or break And if 443 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: it's clean, which I don't know how often that happens, 444 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: I'd be curious to see a stat But if it's 445 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: a clean policy writer. That means it has nothing else, 446 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: or a clean cr CR it doesn't have any policy writer. 447 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: That's right. So um. A lot of times though, if 448 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: there's a policy writer on a CR, it might be like, Okay, 449 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: we can't come to an agreement about medicaid funding abortion. 450 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: That was a big one in the nineties seventies. Um. 451 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: And but in this same appropriations bill that we're haggling over, 452 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 1: there's this other thing that's like super critical. It's like, um, like, uh, 453 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: local hospitals aren't going to get any any nique funding 454 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: and it's about to run out. So we need to 455 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: increase the nique funding for local hospitals. And we'll attach 456 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: that as a policy writer to this continuing resolution because 457 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: this is kind of an emergency and it doesn't really 458 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: have anything to do with the contentious part that that's 459 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: keeping the policy or the appropriations built from being passed. Right. 460 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: So that's I think usually what happens with that. You know, 461 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: what show really nails the stuff is veep, Oh my gosh, 462 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: for all it's like you know, comedy and funny stuff. 463 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: They it seems like they really nail kind of what 464 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: it's like in Washington, because there's a lot of talk 465 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff, clean bills and writers and 466 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: who's on whose side? And can we sway this one 467 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: person and doctor's side. Yeah, a lot of just dirty, 468 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: dirty language. Oh yeah, man, Julie Louis Dreyfuss, she is 469 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: a nash She's an international treasure. Totally. At one interaction 470 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: with her briefly when uh in l A and my 471 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: friends building in Los Felis, the Holly Mountin building. He 472 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: lived there, Scotty, you know Scotty, and we had a 473 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: case of beer and a pizza and some snacks and 474 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: we were going she showed up. It's like, where's the party. Well, 475 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: that's sort of what happened. We were going up in 476 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: the front of the building and she was shooting uh, 477 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: New Adventures of Old Christine right there at the entrance, 478 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: and we literally walked by her and they were like 479 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: putting on her makeup, like right in front of They 480 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: were right about to go, and she said, who were 481 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: those guys? I want to go with them? Where are 482 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: you guys going? And of course we're like, come on up, 483 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: that's cool. And then an electrician knocked on her door 484 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: and asked to put a light in his apartment shining 485 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: out the window. How much does you charge? No, we didn't. 486 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: We were just like come on in, and then Ericastrada 487 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: showed up and arrested you. Uh, all right, so where 488 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: are we here? So I'll tell you where we left off, Chuck. 489 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: We left off with continuing resolutions, temporary funding. Yeah. Eventually, 490 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: if a position is contentious enough about some part of 491 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: the budget, and very rarely is it something is it 492 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: something financial? Necessarily like it has to do with finances 493 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: because it's in the budget, But typically it's something more 494 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: political than that, like the idea of medicaid funding abortions. 495 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy seven and ninety eight, there were, um 496 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: there impasses were reached where they could not come to 497 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: an agreement on using medicaid to fund abortions, federal dollars 498 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: to fund abortions. Right, very contentious issue. Yes, it had 499 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: to do with money and had to do with finances 500 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: medicaid funding, but really it was about the social issue, 501 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: is cultural issue abortion. That's usually the kind of um, 502 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: the kind of political uh impass or divide that it 503 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: takes to really reach a point where one side says, 504 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, I don't even agree to this continuing resolution anymore. 505 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: Just forget it, We're done. Yeah, it seems like it's 506 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: usually something that is so important to that either president 507 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: or party or both, that they feel like it's worth 508 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: digging in. Um. And a lot of times that has 509 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: to do Sometimes that has to do with the thing itself, 510 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: but sometimes it has to do with the perception of 511 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: that thing to your voting base. Sure that's part of 512 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: it too, But I mean we're talking politicians here. I 513 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: think you could have just said the last part. You 514 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: know that's true. So what happens when they failed to 515 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: pass that appropriations bill and they're not talking, You're going 516 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: to get a funding gap. And that doesn't necessarily lead 517 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: to a shutdown either. Can we please get to the shutdown? Well, 518 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: since more than half of the fundy gaps lasted just 519 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: a few days when I talked about solving it over 520 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: the weekend, a lot of times that will happen over 521 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: the weekend. Um. And if it's less than a few days, 522 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: that means no one had to sit out work or whatever. 523 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: It was furloughed. Right, So technically the government was shut down, 524 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: but no one noticed because it happened on days when 525 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: the federal government isn't open anyway. Yeah, and until nine one, 526 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: they were actually allowed to keep operating, but the Reagan 527 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: administration changed all that. Yeah, what was the name Benjamin 528 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: Sivelletti Chivoletti technically an Italian to be hip because as 529 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: a sea followed by a vowel makes a chill sound. 530 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: Did you know that? I do? And I don't remember 531 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: this guy? I don't either. I mean we were young 532 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: and probably too young to really know about attorney general. 533 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: Like I knew the president, the vice president, and maybe 534 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House or something. First attorney general 535 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: I was cognizant of was Edwin Mease, wasn't he or 536 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: was he state? I don't even know he was the 537 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: first cabinet member. I was aware of Edwin me because 538 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: I think they made phonem in in Mad magazine, showed 539 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: him like getting hit by a mouse trap or something, 540 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: because he was a mess. That's kind of how I 541 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: was exposed to politics too, Mad, I think. So. Yeah, 542 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: I knew all about spear o agnew even though I 543 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: know who he was, still don't really know who he was. 544 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: There's this great Simpsons quote where Millhouse and barter looking 545 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: at a bad magazine. They're like, they're making fun of 546 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: that Spiro Agnew guy. Again. He must work there or something. 547 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, like, I guess Spiro Agnew works 548 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: there because they used to skewer like the publisher too, 549 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: So I just thought Spiro Agnew was one of them. 550 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: I think it's a funny name to comedy circles. Yeah, 551 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: that's a good one. Um. Yes. Attorney General Benjamin he 552 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: was Reagan's a g and he said it is not 553 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: constitutional to keep spending money without congressional approval, which is 554 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: what's happening when you say we'll go ahead and keep 555 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: working federal government. So he I mean they kind of 556 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: made shutdowns happen. Yeah, Like it was like, okay, we're 557 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: shut down, ha ha. We're still discontinuing on like normal 558 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: until CHIVALLETTI said, well, remember that Anti Deficiency Act. That's 559 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: actually for real. And I saw somewhere that it like 560 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: they actually enforced that, and like federal agencies are are 561 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: um are frequently fined for violating these things like going 562 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: into contracts or hiring people when they don't really have 563 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: the money for it. And I saw somewhere the SEC 564 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: got an eight hundred million dollar fine ones for it. 565 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: Couldn't find it anywhere else, but it was a spectacular 566 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: enough number to at least mention it. Um. So Chivaltti 567 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: really changed the rules for shutdowns, because before, if the 568 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: government shut down but the government still functioned, it was 569 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: almost more of like a um, uh, what's the word 570 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking for ceremonial kind of thing, didn't really mean anything. 571 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: It was um symbolic um. Once Civilletti said no, no no, no, 572 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: we actually can't stay open during a shutdown, that made 573 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: the whole thing way more politically risky, and so they 574 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: stopped happening nearly as frequently from that point on. Things 575 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: have changed since then tremendously. Uh. And there have been 576 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: four times and sort of recently where uh people really 577 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: dug in and there were what we would call major shutdowns. 578 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: The winner of there were two shutdowns because of Bill 579 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: Clinton being a Democrat and Newt Gingrich hating his guts. 580 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: He was the House Speaker at the time and the 581 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: Republican controlled Congress, and new it was all about the 582 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: Contract for America, which basically was small government, lowering taxes, 583 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: really sticking it to the poor. Yeah, like really higher 584 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: restrictions on or more strict restrictions on welfare recipients. So 585 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: he and Bill Clinton went at it for a long time. 586 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: They really did, and I mean like each side was 587 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: dug in and um Gingrich was trying to shove that 588 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: contract for with America down Clinton's throat. It's not what 589 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: Clinton's policies were, and Clinton said no, and neither i'd 590 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: would would would give. And finally, this is how um 591 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: shutdowns usually get resolved. They start doing polls of the 592 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: American public and say who do you blame for this? 593 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: And almost invariably the public says, Congress, this is Congress's fault, 594 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: that that the country is um just being weakened right 595 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: now by this government shutdown. And then Congress relance, and 596 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: that's what happened for those two. Both of the shutdowns 597 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: were combined twenty six days, and Republicans in the Congress 598 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: were to blame, according to American people and polling numbers 599 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: at least. Uh so, you know, they they said, sorry, fine, fine, 600 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: well we'll try to get you impeached instead. Should we 601 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: talk about two thousand thirteen? Yeah, I remember this one 602 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: really clearly. That's right, President Barack Obama Republicans in Congress. Again, 603 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz like almost single handedly shut the government down, 604 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: if I remember it correctly. Yeah, he passed the bill 605 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: that UM. The Republicans were very upset about the Affordable 606 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: Care Act, and he did all he could to defund that, 607 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: basically defund what was later to be known as Obamacare. 608 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: And he was like leading a kind of a rogue 609 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: faction of Tea Party Republicans because John Bayner was the 610 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: speaker at the time, and he was a traditional conservative 611 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: Republican UM, and I believe he was on board to 612 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: just at least with continuing resolutions to keep the UM 613 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: negotiations going. And I remember Ted Cruz just being like, nope, 614 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm shutting the government down. And it was a ballsy move. 615 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, that's right, And that lasted sixteen days. 616 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 1: Eight hundred thousand federal workers were furloughed, which we'll talk 617 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: about what that means here in a minute. But again, uh, 618 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: public polling and public outcry was against the Republicans at 619 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: the time, and they said, all right, we'll pass a 620 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: c R and let's change some things about the Affordable 621 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: Care Act, but we will pass a CR. Right. They 622 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: basically got some minor changes. I think a big one 623 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: with the biggest concession they got was that, um, there 624 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: will be income verification for people who were applying for Obamacare. 625 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: We should talk about the most recent shutdown as well, 626 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen nineteen. I remember this one too, 627 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. Basically was yesterday, and this was 628 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: obviously when uh, Donald Trump said I want a border 629 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: wall and I want five billion dollars to get this 630 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: thing going, and Democrats said, no, you're not, and they 631 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: had a meeting on TV which was really weird, and 632 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer um trick to Donald Trump into taking responsibility 633 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: for the shutdown. Did Schumer do it? I thought he just, like, 634 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, asserted it. I think I thought I 635 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: remembered Schumer sort of tricking him in the room into 636 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: sort of claiming ownership, almost like a dare. And Trump 637 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: was sort of like, yeah, it's my shutdown because this 638 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: is important, and you know, you could see Schumer kind 639 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: of laughing like, oh, I don't think he even understands 640 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: what he just said. Yeah, I'm sure the Republicans were like, 641 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: I can't believe you just said that. That's right, And 642 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: there was a partial shutdown on December twenty two that 643 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: ran for a historically long thirty five days. Yeah, the 644 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: previous one in two sixteen days. The previous record was 645 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: combined day. This is thirty five days over Christmas and 646 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: New Year's which was a tough time to do that. Yeah, 647 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: it was because again the deadline is October one, so 648 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 1: they had created continuing resolutions from October one or September 649 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: thirty on to December twenty two, and then finally on 650 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: December twenty two. I remember this. Trump had been signaling 651 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: that he was willing to give uh and I guess 652 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: at least keep negotiating continuing resolutions and Culture, that's right 653 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: expressed on Trump's it would not be giving on this 654 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: position and that the government shutdown would go on. And 655 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: Culture basically single handedly forced this government shutdown because she said, 656 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: if you give on this like we're done, I'm go 657 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: I will vote against you at the polls to make 658 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: sure everybody else does. And that's when Trump's will was 659 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: bolstered tremendously, and that's when the government shutdown happened. That's right, 660 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: You wanna take a break. How many people are still 661 00:38:27,239 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: listening to this? Do you think roughly, we'll be right back, okay, Chuck, 662 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: So um, well we should. We left a cliffhanger. The 663 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: government was shut down when we left. Oh yeah, it 664 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: came back. It came back after how long? Again. Thirty 665 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: five days later, on January, Trump called off that shutdown 666 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: without that funding for the border wall, again because public 667 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: perception was swayed not in his favor, right, which is rare. Again, 668 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: every single one of the shutdowns, everyone said it was 669 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: Congress's fault. With this one, they said it was the 670 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: president's fault. Surely that at least partially had to do 671 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: with him claiming on TV that it was his responsibility 672 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: for shutting down the government. That didn't last long though, 673 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: because I remember, and it gets so just childlike and snippy. 674 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: But with the tweets from both sides calling it the 675 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: Trump shut down, Trump calling it the Schumer Pelosi shut down, 676 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: trying to hashtag these things see what's trending, it's all 677 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: just so ridiculous, it is Twitter. So, um, the shutdown ended, 678 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: and like you said, Trump didn't get that five billion 679 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: dollars for the wall. I think they ultimately added like 680 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 1: one point six billion for border security, but nothing specifically 681 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: for that wall right, and and the Democrats started saying, well, like, 682 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: let's really define wall right. Yeah, I remember that. But 683 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: what people like to point out is, not only did 684 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: Trump not get that five billion dollars, but America lost 685 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: at least eleven billion dollars right during the shutdown income right, 686 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: So there's a real economic cost of government shutdowns. Basically, everyone, 687 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't care whether you're a Republican. Stuff you should 688 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: know a listener, A Democrats stuff you should know, a listener. 689 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 1: An anarchist stuff you should know, a listener, A central 690 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: stuff you should know. Listener doesn't matter. You should be 691 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: really mad at your government whenever there's a shutdown because 692 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: it is holding people's jobs hostage. Millions of people depend 693 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: directly on the federal government for their paycheck, and during 694 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: a shutdown, you don't get a paycheck. Some people even 695 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: have to work. But the people who don't have to 696 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: work not only don't get a paycheck, they will never 697 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: get that money for the work that they missed against 698 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: their own will during that shutdown. Yeah, like you can 699 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: apply for back pay, is that right? No? You can't 700 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: know for who. No one can know if you worked 701 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 1: during the shutdown, you can get retroactive pay. Congress has 702 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: to approve it, but you had to have been working. 703 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: It had to have been in a sense that you 704 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: can't get back pay for for a load time. Okay, 705 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: just just gone forever. So people who were out of work, Um, 706 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 1: who are federal workers. I think about eight hundred thousand 707 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,760 Speaker 1: of them during the two nineteen shutdown, the Trump Schumer 708 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: Pelosi shutdown, Um, they didn't. They went with out pay 709 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 1: for thirty five days. Yeah, three hundred and eighty thousand 710 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: of the eight hundred thousand federal workers actually had to 711 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: stop working. That's almost every bit of NASA, h U D, Housing, 712 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: Urban Development staff, eight percent of National Park Service, fifty 713 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,959 Speaker 1: workers at the I r S, and then the other 714 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty thousand that they deemed essential. Uh, 715 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: they still worked, and I believe they're the ones that 716 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: could apply, but they aren't guaranteed that money though. Right. No, Again, 717 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: Congress has to vote, and usually as part of a shutdown, 718 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: just to kind of like get public perception in Congress's favor. 719 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,439 Speaker 1: Congress will hold a vote and almost nearly almost every time, 720 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: nearly unanimously for retroactive pay. When this thing's over, the 721 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: problem is is again those people who aren't working during 722 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: that time, whose jobs are deemed non essential, they'll they'll 723 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: never get that money. They just don't get it. And 724 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: that I mean if you project it to your future retirement, 725 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 1: like that's money that you're investing a you're not buying 726 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: things with it, right, So you're not helping the American economy, 727 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: especially during the holidays this last time. Yeah, you're not 728 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: investing in the stock market, you're not taking care of 729 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,760 Speaker 1: your retirement. So it has these ripple effects that last, 730 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: you know, months and years. Right. So, so just to 731 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: get a little bit back to the nuts and bolts 732 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: of all this, it's not like every time there's a 733 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: government shutdown, the um the same agency, are the same 734 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: people are affected in exactly the same way. Each shutdown 735 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: is different because do you remember how there's twelve different 736 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: appropriations bills that have to go to the president. Some 737 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 1: of those can be passed and signed before the shutdown 738 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: ever happened. If that happens and your agency was in 739 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: one of those those appropriations bills, it's like every other 740 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: Tuesday or Wednesday for you during the shutdown, right. But 741 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: you can straddle those agencies and they can be split, 742 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: and that can get weird. It can UM well like 743 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: in A good example of it getting weird is when 744 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: UM this past one happened, the Coast hard which falls 745 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: under the Homeland Security UM slice of the pie. Homeland 746 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: Security hadn't been funded yet, so the Coast Guard had 747 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: to keep its operations going without pay, while the rest 748 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: of the military the other four branches were just operating 749 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: as normally because the Defense Appropriations bill had already been 750 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: passed before the shutdown. So depending on which bills have 751 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: already been passed, some groups are working, some groups aren't. 752 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: And even in each agency where UM the funding hasn't 753 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,879 Speaker 1: been appropriated for this coming year, there will be some 754 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: people who will be working and others who aren't. And 755 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: it's up to each agency during a shutdown to say, 756 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: this is how we're going to function during this This 757 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: is the jobs that have to be carried out whether 758 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 1: the government's open or not. And these are the people 759 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: who can be sent home without ever hopeful, without any 760 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: hopes of ever be getting paid. Yeah, like you see, A, 761 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: you see the thing coming, so it's not like a 762 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: big surprise, but b you have this sort of plan 763 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: lady in place, UM it's called you submit it actually 764 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: to the Office of Management and Budget and you coordinate 765 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: with him rather and that's where you know, you gotta 766 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: lay out your plan, like they know it's coming and 767 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: so they gotta they gotta plan accordingly. And like I remember, 768 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: I have friends that worked with the federal government at 769 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: the CDC in places like that, and you know, they 770 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,399 Speaker 1: watch the stuff really closely. And some of them were 771 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: furloughed and you know, went thirty five days without a paycheck. 772 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: And there's so there's that personal level where you, um 773 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: missed rent that that month. I can't remember who was 774 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,879 Speaker 1: at Wilbur Ross one of the cabinet members was like, go, 775 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,719 Speaker 1: you know, go uh take up a craft and or 776 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 1: a hobby and turn that into like money to pay 777 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: your rents. Just something some unsolicited advice that no one 778 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: wanted to. Yeah. Um, so get on Etsy if you are, 779 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: if you are in that position, like, yes, you missed rent, 780 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: you mr car payment, you missed like all sorts of stuff. 781 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,240 Speaker 1: Even if you're not a federal employee. UM, you're still 782 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: probably affected in one way or another. And the longer 783 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: that a shutdown goes on, the more and more people 784 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,399 Speaker 1: are affected. Everybody, from people who are trying to get 785 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 1: their passport application pushed through to people who UM are 786 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: supplemental nutrition program recipients, welfare recipients, food stamps, UM children's 787 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: UH morning Breakfast programs, like all these things start to 788 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: run out of funding and they get affected, and more 789 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: and more people start to be directly impacted by these 790 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: shutdowns the longer they go on, sure the f d 791 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: A food inspections can be curtailed UH and in fact, 792 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: during long shutdowns there are safety experts that say, you 793 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,359 Speaker 1: might want to steer clear fresh food right now. Yeah, 794 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: don't eat like that bag of romane lettuce, especially if 795 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,720 Speaker 1: you're pregnant or something. Or let me see. The National 796 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: Park Service this was a big window in the last shutdown. UM, 797 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: I think they some parks were closed all together. That's 798 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: how they did it. In Yeah, that was a big one. 799 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: They lost seventy six million bucks a day and lost 800 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: revenue for the National Park Service. But this most recent 801 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: when some of them were shut down, some of them 802 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: were kept open but not staffed, so very famously there 803 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: was I think it was that Joshua Tree where they 804 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: damaged like irreparable damage to some of the Joshua tree. 805 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: Somebody cut down at least one Joshua tree, which takes 806 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: centuries to grow, um so that they could drive their 807 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 1: off road vehicle in an area where you're not supposed 808 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: to drive an off road vehicle, so they could get 809 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: to it. They cut down a Joshua tree, and that 810 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: became kind of symbolic for that last last shutdown. I mean, 811 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: there's a range of problems that range from inconveniences to 812 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: not getting paid. But you know, imagine coming from another 813 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 1: country and planning this thing for a year. You put 814 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: all this money into a trip to come see the 815 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: greatest places in the United States. You know, I'm from wherever, 816 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm German, Germany, I was gonna say Germany, and I 817 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,240 Speaker 1: want to go see the most beautiful things in America. 818 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: I want to go to the Grand Canyon in Yellowstone. 819 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 1: And I've had this trip paid for and planned and 820 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: it's not refundable. Right. What do you mean Mount Rushmore 821 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: is closed? I can see it right there. Well that yeah, sorry, Franz, Sorry, 822 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: go see. Uh. I don't know what else is around there, 823 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: not much nothing. That's kind of the point. Yeah, you 824 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: can see Van Nostran's childhood birthplace right, and again these 825 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 1: are seemingly like if you ask the federal government, they 826 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: they're like, who cares about that minor inconvenience. Well, there 827 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: was one thing that I came across that I found 828 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: particularly scummy. Chuck during government shutdowns, when other people who 829 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: are working are not getting paychecks, we go some congress 830 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: people still get theirs. All congress people do, but some 831 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: have the wherewithal be like, I'm not taking any pay 832 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: during this shutdown, Like maybe I'll get it retroactively, that's fine, 833 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: but you just hang onto my page check. Other other 834 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: Kindress people are like, yeah, keep the money coming, I 835 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: need it, which is that's super scummy to me. Other 836 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: people are out of work or working and not getting paid, 837 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 1: like the T s A famously had to work and 838 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: and whether they wanted to or not, and they didn't 839 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: get paid. Um or they're calling in sick. They should yeah, 840 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: they should not be Comress should not be getting a 841 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: paycheck during that time because it's Congress is fault. I 842 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: think they said that T. S A employees is about 843 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: ten at one point, we're calling in sick every day. Yeah, 844 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: after after a little while, do you remember that it 845 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 1: was not a good time to travel, and that's an 846 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: inconvenience people flying yep, taking longer. When's the next one coming, Chuck, 847 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 1: that's what everyone wants to know October two. We'll keep 848 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: an ear up for it. Uh. In the meantime, now 849 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: you know everything there is to know about government shutdowns. 850 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: There's more little interesting details. But if you want to 851 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 1: know about them, you can be a saucy boy or 852 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: girl and look it up on the internet. And since 853 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: I said saucy, it's time for listener mail. We have 854 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,440 Speaker 1: a couple of corrections. We haven't done these in a while. 855 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: We haven't made mistakes in years. Uh. These are both 856 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: yours not to pile on. Uh. Hey, guys, I want 857 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 1: to point out that Donald Trump spoke to the Prime 858 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,320 Speaker 1: Minister of Sweden Stephan love Vin about the arrest of 859 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,360 Speaker 1: Asap Rocky, not the king. Yeah. Everybody was really making 860 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of noise about that over here because I 861 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 1: got it wrong. Uh. And he said, I would not 862 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: have even sent this email if Josh hadn't have finished 863 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,439 Speaker 1: that story with this is reality. What I just said 864 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: is actual facts. It was close enough. Yeah, it was 865 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,280 Speaker 1: just a slip at the time. Facts are the lower 866 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: case F and that is from hump Us bove Jerk. 867 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: What's try that again, hump Us bob Jerk. Let me see, 868 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of consonants in there. I'm sure some 869 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: of those are quite silent. Wow, I think you nailed it, 870 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 1: but you forgot the rip his last name. I think 871 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: Bob Jerk is the middle name of the compass, so 872 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: Hampa's grip. And I love that he put swede in parentheses, 873 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: as if I had to see that. Uh. And then 874 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: the other one was a math thing, and I'm kind 875 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: of curious about this one nuclear semiotics. Josh said, nine 876 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: thousand seconds is four and forty six days. He said, 877 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: it's a hundred and four days, And he said, I 878 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: don't know. You guys are busy in recording and performing calculations, 879 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,479 Speaker 1: he said, But I'm really curious just where that number 880 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: came from. He said, because no combination of multiplying dividing 881 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 1: nine million by sixty or twenty four yield four sixty six. 882 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: And I'm really just curious. You guys do a great job. 883 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for everything, Joey Russo, Thanks Joey. I think that 884 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: that number was where Mike pat Thumb and Syria got 885 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,359 Speaker 1: together and had a baby. That's where I think that four. 886 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,120 Speaker 1: And I'm sure the right after you said that, I went, 887 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: uh huh, that's right. So I'm equally to Blaine, thank 888 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,200 Speaker 1: you Chuck for taking that for the team. Team josh 889 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: uh if you want to get in touch with us 890 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 1: to let us know what kind of mistakes I've been 891 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,240 Speaker 1: making left and right and Chuck's been abiding. We love 892 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: that stuff. 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