1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The Red Weather is a work of fiction. Any resemblance 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation of real, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. The content 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: LLC and does not reflect the views of responsibilities of 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: iHeartMedia or its affiliates. A few days before she died, 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: I got a letter from Willow. Willow was my neighbor 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: and one of my best friends as a kid. We 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: grew up in the Redwoods outside of Sebastopol, California. It's 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: about sixty miles north of San Francisco, and even though 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: we were just through the woods from one another, we 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: had very different childhoods. Willow was part of a commune, 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: or what they called it a collective. It was a 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: group of maybe thirty people and it was called tender Hearts. 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: It was one guy, really, the leader, Elric, and then women, 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: then kids. 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: That's Sheriff Maldonado. He was the sheriff back in the 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: eighties and the nineties, so he ended up dealing with 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: the tender Hearts when birds would complain or if kids 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: got into trouble. It was hard to wrap your head 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: around it. Was nature and trees and praying. I guess 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: it would be called meditating today, and drugs those pot 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,639 Speaker 1: mushrooms Mescoon. Willow's mom was a founding member of Tender Hearts, 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: so she lived there with Willow and her sister Anna. 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: When we were young, Willow and I were close, really close. 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: We used to meet in the woods between our houses 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: and spend all afternoon together, sometimes camping out, but things 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: got complicated in our teens. By the time I got 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: her letter, I hadn't talked to her in years. I 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: didn't even know she had my address. She was in Panama, 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: in Pocas del Toro. It's a series of islands close 32 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: to Costa Rica. Apparently she'd gone with an organization to 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: help sea turtles protect their habitat or something, but really 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: it sounds like she went to get away and to 35 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: get sober. The letter was mostly about what she was 36 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: up to in Panama, working in a vegan pizza place 37 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: down there. Before I could at her back, I found 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: out she took her own life. My mom saw it 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: on Facebook. So you're still in touch with her mom. 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: Well, only through Facebook. I mean, it's not like I 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: see her or talk to her, have private phone calls, 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: but you know, she posts things, and this was one 43 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: of the things she posted. I was surprised. It's really sad. 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 3: It's really sad. 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: She was begging me to come visit her. 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: This is Noah. He grew up with Willow too. 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 5: She begged me. She was like, hey, please please come visit. 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 5: I'm really lonely. I need a friend, I need some help. 49 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 6: You know. 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: She wrote me this. 51 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 5: Poem that was very you know, in that context, was 52 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 5: quite deep and dark and basically just talking about loneliness 53 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 5: and isolation and kind of meaninglessness of everything. 54 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: He's now a psychiatrist up in Seattle. 55 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 5: And it's really challenging. It's really I mean, I've had 56 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 5: a number of patient suicide and even with that, it's 57 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 5: really hard to reconcile that of like, could I have 58 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 5: done something more? 59 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: If I was honest, I might not have even written 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: her back. I mean, we were in very different places. 61 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: She was single, childless, hopping around different countries. I'm married, 62 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I had a kid. I live in LA I work 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: as a writer director, and as you might know, I 64 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: host a podcast about the TV show I was on 65 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: as a kid, Welcome to Vodney's World. 66 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: I'm Dannie official. 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm rather strong than I'm will Fordell. Willow was still 68 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: chasing new experiences, new people, and new places in a 69 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: way that when we were young was exciting and admirable, 70 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: but now that we're in our forties, it felt a 71 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: little desperate, erratic. 72 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: I remember for the first few years of our friendship, 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 5: you know, like it was kind of like being a 74 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 5: being on a drug near her. She had so much 75 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 5: energy and excitement and spotanity and like. But then I 76 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 5: remember as she started to decompensate in our teen years, 77 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 5: it was like it was it was really challenging to 78 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 5: be around her. I should say all this with a 79 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 5: caveat that it's impossible for me not to use my 80 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 5: psychiatric nosology on her now now looking back, I mean, 81 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 5: she was just the archetype of someone who had had 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 5: clearly had a lot of childhood trauma. 83 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 1: There's a few traumas Noah could be referring to here. 84 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: There was the fact that she grew up on a 85 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: collective in the woods. She definitely had some awful boyfriends, 86 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: there were drugs, But the central trauma of Willow's life 87 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: had to do with her sister Anna. Anna was two 88 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: years older than us, which isn't much except when you're fifteen. 89 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: Back then, she was in a whole other category of existence, 90 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: and I probably would have gotten to nowhere better. Except 91 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: on Halloween night nineteen ninety five, Anna disappeared. It was 92 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: a horrible time for a couple of there. It seemed 93 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: like everyone we knew was a suspect or had a secret. 94 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: We all got interviewed by the cops. People blamed Willow's mom, 95 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: people blamed the Tender Hearts and his boyfriend. People blamed 96 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: the town. But no one knew what actually happened. Nobody 97 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: was ever found, no charges ever filed. Most everyone assumed 98 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: that Anna ran away, that she just wanted out of 99 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: Tender Hearts or small town took off. But Willow never 100 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: thought that she knew her sister would never leave without her, 101 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: or at least without saying goodbye. This is from Willow's letter. 102 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: I know I made you promise something about the night 103 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: Anna disappeared. You and Christo Vecchio and Oriyan and Connor 104 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: were there too. Do you remember we pinky swore. So 105 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: here's the deal. I want you to know I don't 106 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: fucking care anymore. I released your pinky, Sir, I am no. 107 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: I can't read this, but I think she wrote authority. 108 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: But I want to know the truth. If Anna is 109 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: still out there, or the person who killed her is 110 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: out there, then keeping my secret is stupid. It always 111 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: has been. I kept going back over the letter, going 112 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: back over my memories and my relationship with Willow. I 113 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: kept wondering, why did she send this to me? Why 114 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 1: didn't she decide to tell the truth herself. In nineteen 115 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: ninety five, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared. She was seventeen. 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: Her body was never found, no one was ever arrested, 117 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: no explanation given. And back then, I lied to my parents, 118 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: I lied to police, I lied to everybody because Anna's sister, 119 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: Willow asked me to. I've decided to go back to 120 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: my hometown, interview my friends and family, and talk to 121 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: police and journalists whoever I can to try to find 122 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: out what actually happened. I am actor and filmmaker writer 123 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: Strong This is the Red Weather. Before I left for Sebastopol, 124 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: I called up my friend Chris because he's one of 125 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: the few people who knew what Willow was talking about. 126 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, what's up right? Recorded? 127 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: What that you no it's the thing Elly, that it's recording. 128 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 7: That is Sean Hayes with you telling me that this 129 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 7: all being recorded. 130 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: Chris is a comedy writer now who also lives in 131 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: La So I don't I don't know if you've heard, 132 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: but Willow Trainer died. 133 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 6: Yeah. 134 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 5: My cousin Tarn texted me. 135 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 7: You've never torn, right, No, Sacramento torn. Uh, there was 136 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 7: a Thanksgiving you came with I'm pretty sure you came 137 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 7: with me anyways. Crazy. I don't know if she killed 138 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 7: herself in Puerto Rico or Panama, Panama. Well, she was 139 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 7: always a fucking train rack, dude, I mean, even before 140 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 7: the kid fucking grew up in a cult. 141 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I would even call it that. 142 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 7: I think that's because you're a sweetheart, sweetheart. Okay, I'm 143 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 7: gonna call it a call, because there's a creepy fucking 144 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 7: tree calls. They were out, They were basically like rural homeless. 145 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: Before she killed herself, she sent me a letter she's 146 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: I know and saying that we can uh tell the truth. 147 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: Chris had also made a promise because he was with 148 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: me and Willow the night that Anna disappeared. 149 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 7: Who cares if we could tell the truth now, like 150 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 7: I know, I know, but I mean there's there's so 151 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 7: much that I don't even know about the case. The case, 152 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 7: you know, oh, yes, oh the case. Like these detective 153 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 7: riders on the case. 154 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 8: Now there was a first party and they didn't they 155 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,239 Speaker 8: like find a bullet in a tree. 156 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 7: Or bullets in yes, three bullets country, multiple bullets. 157 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 4: That's what I mean. 158 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: I don't even know the basics. It's like and then 159 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: let alone the fact of. 160 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 7: Like what we did, but what Willow did? Right, So 161 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 7: that is why you're recording this phone call. Yeah, I mean, 162 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 7: I don't know. 163 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 4: I'm just I you know, I feel like I've got 164 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 4: this this this platform. 165 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 7: You know, dat's a public figure. I did a podcast 166 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 7: and all right, Colombo, well you're not going to go 167 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 7: solo on this. Brother will be the Hardy Boys or 168 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 7: the Scooby Gang. And I'm not gonna be Shaggy. It's 169 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 7: too on the nose. I want to be Scooby or Velma. 170 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm definitely Velma and testing testing one about sound gear 171 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: so I could doc a man everything I could. I 172 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: said goodbye to my wife Alex and her son. Indeed 173 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: recording right now, Yeah, I'm never gonna stop rowing. 174 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 8: That's the whole point, okay. 175 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 9: And you have the draft. 176 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, but it's I've got time, so I think 177 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: while I'm up there, I'll be able to get writing 178 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: done with this loud guy. Hey dude, I'm saying goodbye. 179 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: I had three months to write a script, a horror 180 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: movie for a small studio. It wasn't my original idea. 181 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: They had brought me in after they sold the pitch, 182 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: but they were pain This sort of thing has become 183 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: my life, writing movies that never get made. 184 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 10: All right, I love you having fun having special, dude, 185 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 10: time special, all right, I love you guys. 186 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 9: A week or two week or two? What? Yes, we're two? 187 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 4: Hell hello it is. 188 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: I drove across town and I picked up Chris. I 189 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: was glad he was coming with me. 190 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 8: I knew there'd be gaps in memory, conflicting versions and 191 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 8: things people maybe didn't want to think about it or 192 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 8: talk about, so I thought it'd be good to have 193 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 8: his help. 194 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: I am not driving at all. 195 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 11: Not at all. 196 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: You do not need to see my road rage. Bro 197 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: Ooh another fun rule. 198 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 12: You get one moody whiny white guys song per hour. 199 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: That's okay, that's all I have. 200 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 5: I know that. 201 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: So we're gonna put on your phone. Yeah, dude, you're 202 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: getting beach Boys and Jimmy Buffett. He'd also, I know, 203 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: keep things lighthearted. I did some research before we left 204 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: l A. And when I looked into Anna's case, there 205 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: was one name that kept coming up. Monica Tremblaine. 206 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: All right, Hi, I are you doing. 207 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: Hey? She was the journalist who covered the story for 208 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: the Press Democrat or local paper. 209 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 4: Hey. 210 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 8: You know we've met before, right, Well, yeah, I mean 211 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 8: we talked back in the day. 212 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: I mean I feel like my mom was there. No, no, no, no, no, 213 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 4: this was way after then. It was in the two 214 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: thousand and three. Yeah. I came to the Graduate play 215 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: when you did it with Jerry Hall. 216 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 13: We talked for a second at uh huh at the 217 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 13: opening night party. Okay, yeah, I was for sure. I 218 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 13: was like, oh, he doesn't remember me, or either you 219 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 13: were avoiding me. 220 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: No, oh god, sorry, do me a favor, though. Don't 221 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 4: look up the review of that play. 222 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: Manica graduated from Berkeley and then moved to Santa Rosa 223 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: to work for the Press Democrat only a month before 224 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: Anna disappeared. It was a small paper doing all the 225 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: things paper did in the nineties, classified its town hall meetings, 226 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: the kind of things today you just find online if 227 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: at all. 228 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: You know, it was like my first real story. I 229 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: mean I was only twenty three then. I was so young. 230 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 13: Yeah, But what was interesting was that, like everybody, everybody 231 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 13: at the paper assumed that Anna was a runaway. 232 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: But I did not believe that. Why hmmm, you know, there. 233 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 13: Was something off and everything about this, I mean everything 234 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 13: just felt like there was something there, felt like there 235 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 13: was something more, like more going on. 236 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 4: I felt a vibe vibe. 237 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 13: I was younger than everybody at the paper, you know, 238 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 13: and so when I talked to the kids, you kids, 239 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 13: I felt closer to you than everybody else. But then again, 240 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 13: you guys were a bunch of white kids in this 241 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 13: very white hippie town. 242 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 4: I mean y'all had money. 243 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 13: I mean you you were already on TV, you were famous, 244 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 13: so right right, it was a lot, you know, the commune, 245 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 13: the drugs fire, that's. 246 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 8: Like I want to get into all of that stuff, 247 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 8: but let's just start with this. What can we just do? 248 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 8: Like the uh, what where Hannah was that night? What 249 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 8: happened to her? Just like the pure only the facts 250 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 8: version of what we know. 251 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 13: Anna Trainer was at a party in downtown Sebasketball that. 252 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: Would be Heather Colburn's house, a Halloween party. 253 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 13: There are a lot of witnesses that said Anna was 254 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 13: there and she was drinking, and that she had a 255 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 13: fight with her. 256 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: Boyfriend or ex boyfriend, depending on your point of view. 257 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: His name is Mick Bowden. My brother Shilah was actually 258 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: there at the party. I remember sitting there. I just 259 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: remember he punched the window. 260 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 12: There was a lot of screaming and arguing going on, 261 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 12: and then, you know, I don't remember exactly what it 262 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 12: was about, but it definitely stopped the situation. Lateryone was 263 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 12: like whoa, okay, and then you know, but it's kind 264 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 12: of in a party scene, so like everybody's you know, 265 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 12: and I think they might have been out smoking. 266 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 13: Well yeah, Mick, he left the party an hour or 267 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 13: so before Anna. 268 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: More on that later. 269 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 4: So she gets a ride. 270 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 13: So she gets its ride from these three girls, Lindsay Green, 271 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 13: Gianna Parata, and Audrey Wick. 272 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: So I don't know if I should tell you this, 273 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: but I call them the mean girls. 274 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 4: Were they pretending to help her or I mean they 275 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 4: were you know, honestly, there was a lot of back 276 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 4: and forth with that. 277 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: Lindsay, Jenna and Audrey gave her a ride and when 278 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: they were asked by the police, they said they drove 279 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: her home. 280 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 13: On Lindsay told the police that they were actually messing 281 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 13: with Anna and that they dropped her off a few 282 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 13: miles from her house. 283 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: Actually, like I said, mean girls. 284 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 13: But we can assume at least that she didn't go 285 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 13: home because then Nick got that page from Anna ten 286 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 13: oh three. 287 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: This was the era of pagers. We all had them, 288 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: and we all had our own code that we used 289 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: to let someone know if we wanted them to call 290 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: us back or meet us somewhere. 291 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 13: Well, first she paged him to a phone number, which 292 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 13: we let her found out was the Juniver Street pay phone, 293 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 13: and he told police that he paid her back with 294 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 13: his cold that he was going to meet her there. 295 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 6: But then the fire a devastating night in western Sonoma 296 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 6: County as fire rage over one hundred acres and burned 297 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 6: four homes in its path. 298 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 13: Sources te well, we have that the first witness caught 299 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 13: in the fires at ten twenty pm. It started out 300 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 13: on the Tenderheart property and then you know, as we know, 301 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 13: it's bread. 302 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: No one was hurt, but a lot of loss. 303 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 4: It was a big deal to firefighters I don't know 304 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 4: their names. 305 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 13: In front of me on the way towards the fire, 306 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 13: they saw a young woman, blonde walking alone on Juniper. 307 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: That was the last time anyone saw an a trainer. Well, 308 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: I have some info, some new info, maybe answers for 309 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: some of this. 310 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 13: Well, damn rider, it's only been thirty years. 311 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: It's an eight hour drive from La to Sebasterful. So 312 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: along the way, Chris and I talked about our hometown. Yes, 313 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: I mean when we were kids, it was like this tiny, 314 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: crusty and now it's like now it's like nice, nice 315 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: restaurants and cute little shops. Yeah, and like even the 316 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: Foster Freeze is now a place that you know, you 317 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: get like milkshakes and fifteen dollars Hamburgers are so good. 318 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: So Basketball isn't all that different from a lot of 319 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: small towns in California. But back in the seventies it 320 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: had a very particular culture. Here's how my brother Shiloh 321 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: put it. 322 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 12: A lot of hippies that moved from San Francisco, like 323 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 12: our parents. But then there were also the pot growers 324 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 12: and like that sort of edgyness to it. 325 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: Kind of where the hate Ashbury Summer of Love crowd 326 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: went to grow up, grow some vegetables, grow some pot 327 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: and raise kids with names like Rioter and Willow. In 328 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: the actual town where Chris grew up, you could still 329 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: have a pretty typical suburban childhood. But outside of town 330 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: it was the wild West of alternative parenting. There were 331 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of situations. Take my buddy Ryan. He grew 332 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: up on a commune. 333 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 4: It was fifty four acres of land. 334 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 8: There was a ranch house where all of this stuff happened, 335 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 8: like a central ranch house that was owned and common 336 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 8: by everybody. 337 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 4: So this was the common land. 338 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 8: You know, people would take turns with, like running the daycare. 339 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't religious or spiritual, but it was certainly a 340 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: counter cultural. 341 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 8: Scene, kind of like you know, hippie dancy thrill your 342 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 8: hands and spacey, you know. 343 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: Kind of just like you know tied I. That was 344 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 4: so much Tied Die. 345 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, a. 346 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 4: Love as it really was that it really was. 347 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, my own home life wasn't that extreme. Chris and 348 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: I pulled into my parents place that evening, I. 349 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 8: All right Island. 350 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: They moved into the woods, put in a well built 351 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: our house. As a kid, we had electricity, but we 352 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: didn't have TV. I was homeschooled on and off. We 353 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: were vegetarians. And while my parents' property has a name, 354 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: we call it redwood Shire, unlike Tender Hearts. That started 355 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: as kind of a joke. 356 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 11: As soon as we bought it, you know, we just 357 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 11: the redwoods were just so beautiful, and so Dad, coming 358 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 11: from an accounting background, he wanted to make something that 359 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 11: was productible. So we made it an experimental farm, and 360 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 11: we had to give it a name, so I said, well, 361 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 11: it has to be redwood Yeah, and then. 362 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: It also relates to my dad's name, which is for real, 363 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: King Arthur Strong. 364 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 11: Well yeah, but a lot of it came from King 365 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 11: Arthur like Shire. 366 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, so redwood Shire. 367 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 13: It's just stuck. 368 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Our day to day life was positively mainstream, compared to 369 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: Willow and Anna, who were literally a few hundred yards 370 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: away living in tents and barns with some kind of 371 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: guiding spirituality or philosophy, which I was realizing I knew 372 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: nothing about, and neither did Oryan. 373 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 8: I think I understood what was going on more even later, 374 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 8: when I was in my twenties or something like that. 375 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: But girth family. 376 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 8: So this guy was called was he called like the 377 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 8: father or something creepy like that? You know, very much polyamory, 378 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 8: but like not modern you know, consensual, et cetera, much 379 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 8: more of kind of like dude has a bunch of 380 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 8: wives kind of thing. 381 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: Our lives couldn't be more different. But we were within 382 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: walking distance, which is how I ended up physically smack 383 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: dab in the middle of this case. And that was 384 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: news to Monica. 385 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 4: So I was. I was with Anna's sister Willow that night, and. 386 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 13: Yeah, you and your friends are at kind of Drake's 387 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 13: house watching horror movies. 388 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: Well that's that's what we said. Yeah, that's what she said. 389 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 4: But we were actually in the woods. We were on 390 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 4: the Tender Hearts property. 391 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 13: Wait, if you're on the Tender Hearts property, you can 392 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 13: confirm none of the adults were there. 393 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we didn't. As far as we knew, 394 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: no one was there. They were all on the sunrise 395 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: seance hike the night that Anna vanished. The adults of 396 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: Tender Hearts said they were holding something called a sunrise seance, 397 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: which was an annual tradition for them. El Rick and 398 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: the women would hike up Mount Saint Helena for a 399 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: ceremony and apparently it involves psychedelics. Shiloh and I actually 400 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: went on one of these with Oryan and Willow when 401 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: we were younger, like maybe twelve or thirteen, and the 402 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: whole idea is to go up there and watch the sunrise. Yeah. 403 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: I just remember being so tired and exhausted. 404 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. I did it a couple of times, but only 405 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 4: got lost the ones. Oh ma. 406 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: To us, it was just a hike, but who knows. 407 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: We were clueless kids. At the time of Anna's disappearance. 408 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: None of the Tender Hearts were charged with a crime, 409 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: but it was shut down within a year. I never 410 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: knew why, and WILLI never talked about them. Part of 411 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: doing this podcast is about finally getting some answers about 412 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: what was going on next door. 413 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 4: So does that does that change anything? I don't think so. 414 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 4: I mean it confirms what they said at the time. 415 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I think what we were doing, me and 416 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 8: Willow and our friends. 417 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: I think the person that it affects the most is Mick. 418 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: Mick Bowden was the ex boyfriend and argued with that 419 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: night because he. 420 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: Was also with us. 421 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 13: He hold on, I need to grab a pin. Hey, right, 422 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,239 Speaker 13: are you talking to me? And that's fine? But are 423 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 13: you voting on record? Are you hoping to officially reopen 424 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 13: this case? 425 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: I actually wasn't sure if what I had to say 426 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: would warrant that, but I was willing to find out. 427 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: Our first morning in Sebastopol, Chris and I went to 428 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: the police station. I thought it'd be good to do 429 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: this in person and get an honest reaction in real time, 430 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: but I had a lot to learn. Hello, Hi, So 431 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: we're here to talk to someone about an old case 432 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety five. I tried to explain what we 433 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: were there for, which took way longer than I expected. 434 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 4: Peterburg teenager on Juniperle. 435 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: I think that's county, but let me ask, hey, Ken, 436 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: turns out I wasn't even in the right jurisdiction. 437 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 6: Really, that would be the Sheriff's office, Western County. Yeah, 438 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 6: if you're asking about a missing girl outside the town limits, 439 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 6: we wouldn't have anything to do with that. 440 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 4: That was a huge dead ends. 441 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: That was awful. It was so embarrassing for you. I 442 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: gotta say to a question, God, Sherlock Homeschool to crack 443 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: the case wide over. 444 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 5: Oh she called nine years ago. 445 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: Did you take that call personally? 446 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 8: Idiot? 447 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: Dude, you gotta leave this in no, no, no. Of course, 448 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: if I had just asked Monica and stead of running 449 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: off and trying to play gotcha, she could have told 450 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: me that the Sheriff's department ran the investigation. But when 451 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: she and I talked, we were deep in the weeds 452 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: of my whereabouts that night. 453 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 4: Mick Bolden was with you when after the. 454 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 8: Party and then before Anna paged him. I think, I really, 455 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 8: I'm not exactly sure what the timing is. 456 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 4: Well, what were you doing out there? Uh, it's kind 457 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 4: of a long story. 458 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: A lot of this goes back to, well, let me 459 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: ask you this, what do you know about Anna's social life? 460 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: I know she was in a tough spot. 461 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 13: It was sexual, some rumors in any window, harsh stuff 462 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 13: with you guys. 463 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised Monica even knows that Anna was going 464 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: through a lot that fall. There's a reason the mean 465 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: girls were picking on her, and there was a reason 466 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: that I was running around the woods that night with 467 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: my friends. And this is the most uncomfortable part of 468 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: doing this podcast, because in order to really get into 469 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: the story, I'm going to have to get into what 470 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: was going on among us kids in ways that will 471 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: probably be hard to confront. But as it turns out, 472 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: even Sheriff Maldonado, who was indeed the correct official investigator, 473 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: he knew some of this. Well, I know she had 474 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: a REP. I do know that. 475 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 4: I remember that. 476 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: I tracked down Maldonado easily just to google away. It 477 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: turns out he's retired now, but he remembered the case immediately. 478 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 4: Well, yes, and no. 479 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: I mean we tend to assume run away with a 480 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: team like that, you know, But then there were also 481 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: other things there. You had that home situation that she 482 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: was in, and you know, that's not something that we're 483 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: used to dealing with. Then there was the fire, the 484 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: fire that there was for a loop, and then I 485 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: do remember we found her car down south of here. 486 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: Anna's car technically it was her mom's car was found 487 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: almost a month later in a parking lot near the 488 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: San Francisco Airport. 489 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: Well, finding the car like that that pushed us in 490 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 2: the in the runaway direction, you know. Uh, But at 491 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 2: the same time we had the bullets and then uh yeah, 492 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: there was there was just. 493 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of loose ends with that. 494 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 4: Mm hmmmmm. 495 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: Man, uh, you just calling me, that's that's uh bringing 496 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: it back, that's for sure. 497 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: He agreed to talk with me, so we made a 498 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: plan to meet at his house and sit down for 499 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: an interview. After my utter fail at the police station, 500 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: Chris and I went to the Pine Cone Diner, which 501 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: is one of our favorite old downtown spots. This is 502 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: the real stuff, the stuff that everybody cuts out of 503 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: their podcast. That that's gonna say. That's I just want 504 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that you know the 505 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: sharer or whoever it is like that. I want them 506 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: to take me seriously. If they don't arrest you, Oh 507 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: come on, then why would they arrest because you lied 508 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: to the Okay. 509 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna thank you. 510 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 9: Oh my god, I love her. 511 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: Look I'm saying, is teke to be to exhale, like 512 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: cover your bases. Like have you talked to a lawyer? 513 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: You should talk to my brother in law. I like, 514 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: find out where you stand legally. Well, I mean I 515 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: already talked to Monica the reporter. You did, Yeah, I 516 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: just with her before I left. 517 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 4: What did she say? Okay? Okay? Well that was always 518 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 4: one of the big questions. 519 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: For the first time I had broken the pinky swear. 520 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 13: I guess I'm honestly, I'm not sure. Does that answer 521 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 13: things or does that just create more questions? 522 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: Right? 523 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of my whole with this podcast, 524 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: That's what I want to find out. I told Monica 525 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: the truth that the night er sister disappeared, Willow started 526 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: the fire. She's gonna didn't immediately say lawyer. 527 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 4: Up, No, no. 528 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: And I know some of you might be thinking, why 529 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: keep this a secret? We knew Willow had accidentally started 530 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: the fire, and we thought that if it came back 531 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: to her, she might get arrested for arson on top 532 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: of losing her sister. But I'll be honest, I didn't 533 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: really think through all that. I was fifteen, Willa was 534 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: my friend. I didn't tell anyone because she asked me 535 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: not to. Yeah, That's what I'm saying. 536 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 4: So it made not It just might not change anything. 537 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: Maybe not. But while we had lunch, I got out 538 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: my notes. Fine, let's just go over the theory. Yes, 539 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: let's talk about what we do know what we need 540 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: to know. Theory number one, Anna ran away the most 541 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: likely situation by leeps and guts Okay, I mean that's 542 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: what everyone I think, that's what everyone assumes. But I 543 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: have a hard time imagining that she changed her name 544 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: and ran off to I Don't wear and has never 545 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: called anybody, and now she's just what Sippy Martini is 546 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: on a rooftop somewhere. That sounds lovely. Theory Number two, 547 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: someone killed Anna that night, right, But well there's l Rick, 548 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: the leader of tender Hearts, because he's a very shady guy. Yes, 549 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: maybe people except shady people. From all that I know. 550 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: The cops did look into him, and he was exonerated. 551 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 5: At the time. 552 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: Oh exonerate. It's just stup, look at you. I think 553 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: in order to get more information about that, I need 554 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: to talk to Laney, because Laney is Willow and Anna's mom. 555 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: But she hadn't responded to any of my calls or 556 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: Facebook messages. There's gonna be her worst killer, says I know, 557 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: so I'm not looking forward to There's also always the 558 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: chance that it was a random Yeah, sure, some psycho 559 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: killer just driving. That happens all the time. And have 560 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: you not seen the dateline? On dateline, it's always the husband. 561 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: She was too young to have a husband, yes, but 562 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: the husband in this game. No, the husband in this 563 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: case is Mick, right, that is the theory. But they 564 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: never brought charges. But maybe once I tell the cops 565 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: what we were. 566 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 9: Doing that night or coffee? 567 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: Yes, was the coffee here? 568 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 4: Always this terrible Jesus Gars terrible. 569 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: Well, my friend is doing a podcast and we are 570 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: trying to be very honest, so I'm just gonna lay 571 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: it on the table. 572 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 4: This coffee is terrible. 573 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: But you, my dear, are it light. You're wonderful. 574 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you, And if you. 575 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 9: Need anything else, wave mede down. 576 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: I might think of something. Are you kitty the waitress? 577 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: I mean, what you want me to call fee on? 578 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: She's just calm down, some random waitress with the pine 579 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: co Oh my god? What lighting up? 580 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 4: Okay, but excuse me. My friend here thinks that I 581 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 4: was hitting on you. Now look I'm clearly married, and okay, 582 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 4: I got it. I was joking. Yes I know. Oh 583 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 4: I know she knows. 584 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: Do you know? 585 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 9: Yes? 586 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: Now I know? Now you know? 587 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 6: Yes? 588 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 9: Oh? 589 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: Now I'm sorry. Sorry, I'm sorry. 590 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 4: What are you sorry for it? 591 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: For being too sensitive? For thinking that you were making 592 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: her uncomfortable? You're it's fine, Yes, we're good. 593 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 4: Thank you. 594 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,239 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you are such a debute downer. Can you 595 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: please just lighten up. Let's have fun. There'll be the brooding, sad, 596 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: sack reformed child actor. Okay, you're not going to crack 597 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: this case, buddy, Okay, I know, but I gotta try it. 598 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't going to solve anything, but I 599 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: hoped that looking back at this time in my life, 600 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: I might be able to understand some things that never 601 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: made sense and in some way and maybe this wasn't healthy. 602 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: I felt like I owed that to Willow and my parents. 603 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: That night round a campfire, Chris and I got into it. 604 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: Guess when I just think about Willow, you know how 605 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: she was when we were teenagers, complete mess, right, But 606 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: you know I wrote her off? Yeah, I guess because 607 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: I was out of town all. 608 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 12: The time, and the drugs that she did, and her 609 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 12: bad attitude and the way she slept. 610 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: Around right right there that you know, we were still 611 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: in the era of slugshaming and not like you and 612 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: I did that. But I definitely I felt like she 613 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: was going down this path and I didn't. I don't 614 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: know how to deal with it. I don't want to 615 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: deal with it. Willow isn't an easy figure to describe 616 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: in my life. I might have met her earlier, but 617 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: I didn't really connect with Willow until I was seven 618 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: or so, when I ran into her in the woods, 619 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: this barefoot girl with hand me down clothes. We used 620 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: to meet between our properties. We'd climb trees, find salamanders, 621 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: banana slugs, play house, play war. She sort of felt 622 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: like an imaginary friend for a while. She was funny, fearless. 623 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I went back to my house every night. 624 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: But her house back then was a teepee and later 625 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: they had a building a shack, but I think she 626 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: still slept out in the woods a lot of nights. 627 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: My brother thought she was crazy. She threw rocks at 628 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: him once and he never got over that. My mom 629 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: said she has spunk, and my dad said watch out 630 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: for that one. But you know that was a compliment. 631 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: She was there when I broke my arm. I was 632 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: there when she stepped on a yellowjacket hive. She taught 633 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: me how to make. 634 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 8: A spear and how to skin a squirrel. She was 635 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 8: my best friend. She was my first kiss. For a 636 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 8: lot of reasons, we drifted apart in high. 637 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: School, not the least of which I ended up on 638 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: a TV show for seven years. 639 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 4: Oh what the heck with that? Marry me? 640 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: I live in a trailer park and I have no education, 641 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: but my hair does this? Shut up? Man, I'm going 642 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: for it. I had been acting since I was little, 643 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: doing plays in Santa Rosa, which is the biggest town 644 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: about thirty minutes away. And then I got lucky. I 645 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: was discovered. Boy Meet's World took over my life, took 646 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: me away from Sebastamal to go work in La put 647 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: me in magazines and on TV every Friday night. And 648 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: even though I still went to school back home and 649 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: I flew home every weekend, it wasn't the same. I 650 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: never really fit in in my hometown. And Willow and 651 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: I got older, we got different. There was a moment 652 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: when it seemed like we should date, so we did, 653 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: but then we went back to just being friends. I 654 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: woke up one day and realized I hadn't talked to 655 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: her for years. I was twenty years old when boy 656 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: Met's World ended. I moved to New York and Willow 657 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: and I lost touch. And then the letter. So you 658 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: feel like you bailed on her? Kind of yeah, didn't you. 659 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess yes, because all of us guys 660 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: managed to stay in touch, right, we managed to stay friends, 661 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: You and me, Connor and Oriyan, not Willow, And that's fucked. 662 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: She lost her sister and her whole family situation. Just 663 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe if we had told the truth 664 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: back then she asked us not to, she bret. But 665 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: you can see that was obviously the wrong call. You're 666 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: in full martyr mode right now. 667 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 4: Dude. 668 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 1: You're in for a world of pain. I don't understand 669 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: because you're the ones telling me that I should be 670 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: honest and leave in everything, like going to the wrong. 671 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 12: Cops because that's funny, because that's entertaining, and that's not 672 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 12: potentially going to get you arrested. 673 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: You keep saying that why would we be arrested because 674 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: Willow accidentally started the fire, accidentally started a fire. That 675 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: that is not at all what happened. What are you 676 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: talking about? What are you talking I'm with the pinkies 677 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: where the barn. Yeah, she lit the barn on right 678 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: with the sixties that we had because she was trying 679 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: to scare them. It was not an accident. She didn't 680 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: accidentally drop m sixties. She saw that weed, and she 681 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: lit it all on fire. What this was the first 682 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: I'd heard this. Apparently the barn that Willow burn was 683 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: full of marijuana. 684 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 12: From Florida ceiling wald wall was most weed I've ever 685 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 12: seen in my life, and Willow burned it down to 686 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 12: the ground intentionally. 687 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 4: Did you really not know that? 688 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: Aren't you calling this thing the red weather because of 689 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: the fire? No? No, from a walla Stephens poem. 690 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 12: Oh, of course an obscure poets even more obscure poem. 691 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: Holy Christ writer, No one cares. Willow started that fire. 692 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: She took out four houses, burned to the ground because 693 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: she found a craft ton of drugs in that barn. 694 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: Where'd the pod come from? You should probably find out, 695 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't we. I was only two days into recording, and 696 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: already I felt like I had no idea what I 697 00:36:54,360 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: was getting into. For what it's worth, the title from 698 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: a poem called Disillusionment of ten o'clock. Here it is. 699 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: It's short. The houses are haunted by white nightcounts. A 700 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: nun are green or purple with green rings, or green 701 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: with yellow rings, or yellow with blue rings. None of 702 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: them are strange with socks of lace and peedded censures 703 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 1: people are not going to dream of baboons and periwinkles. 704 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: Only here and there. An old sailor, drunk and asleep 705 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: in his boots, catches tigers in red Weather. It's tough 706 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: to not conform. Maybe impossible. We wear the same nightcowns, 707 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: we have the same dreams. And if I think about 708 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: how my parents, how Willow and Anna's mom, just the 709 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: baby boomers in general, they had such high hopes. It 710 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: really thought that they could change the world and remake 711 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: it for us kids. And they tried protests, the sex, 712 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: drugs and rock and roll, running off into the woods 713 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: to build houses, to join communes. I want to believe 714 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: that it meant something, but it did some good. But 715 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: maybe not. Maybe they were just catching tigers and red Weather. 716 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: The Red Weather is an iHeart podcast hosted by writer Strong, 717 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: sound engineering, editing and mixing by Bo milkis produced by 718 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: Tess Bartholomey, executive producers at iHeartRadio, Trevor Young and Matt Frederick, 719 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: Associate producer Bo milkis original score by Kyle Morgan. 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