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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It's time for the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am in Nashville, Tennessee. I just arrived about ten

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Speaker 1: minutes ago. Getting ready now for my wedding this Saturday. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I said last week I didn't know if i'd be

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Speaker 1: here or not. But I just can't stay away for

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Speaker 1: that long. I thought two weeks off was too much. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And Plus, Ashley, I had to hear in person about

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Speaker 1: your big news. You and Jared have had huge, huge

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Speaker 1: news this week that I thought, uh that I really

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Speaker 1: just want to hear about. Oh, it's been a big

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Speaker 1: week for us. One we have Well, there's two weddings

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Speaker 1: in our lives this weekend, one being Ben's. Jared has

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Speaker 1: his other best friends, the one the girl who signed

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Speaker 1: him up for The Bachelor. That wedding is the day

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Speaker 1: before in Cancoun and he's just going to be a flying,

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Speaker 1: crazy mess. Um. I'm not going to Cancoun because I

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Speaker 1: don't know that would be the best for me in

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Speaker 1: this third trimester as I approach it. This week, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm burying the lead. Jared, I became aunt and uncle

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Speaker 1: last night. So cute. We haven't met our niece yet though. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the COVID restrictions are really strict. It's all like kind

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Speaker 1: of dependent on hospital and maybe state, I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: Like the hospital I'm delivering at, but that's not an issue.

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Speaker 1: Like my sister and Jared can be in the delivery room,

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Speaker 1: I can have like one other person, like my parents

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Speaker 1: can visit, but like at the hospital and she's at

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Speaker 1: we can't. So babies are just gonna be all over

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Speaker 1: the placens. Yeah, it's so crazy. We were a trimester apart,

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Speaker 1: which was really fun. We were like exactly thirteen weeks apart,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy. Well, congratulations you guys and the Haven family.

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Speaker 1: That's just um, such a cool deal and what a

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Speaker 1: thing to celebrate. And then yeah, I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of love for Jerry um the fact that he's even

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Speaker 1: trying and he will but he's attempting to make it

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Speaker 1: to the wedding, which is such a will no attempts here.

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Speaker 1: I know, It's just cool. It's a big deal that

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Speaker 1: he's even doing it, and uh, who Jared is right,

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Speaker 1: very important weddings they are. I get that. But in

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Speaker 1: the midst of setting up a business, in the midst

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Speaker 1: of two weddings, He's still gonna make happen. And we

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Speaker 1: just need to take a second to realize that Jared's

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Speaker 1: just Jared's is the best, Like he's just a good dude.

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Speaker 1: He's the best, and he's been working his butt off

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Speaker 1: so it'll all pay off soon. But yeah, well, tell

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Speaker 1: me about the opening of the Generous Shop in Soho. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we uh there's a shop and in Soho now

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Speaker 1: on West Broadway. It's I just got back today. Um

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Speaker 1: it's serving generous coffee. It's called the Good Market. So

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Speaker 1: the Good Market is a place where thirty different four

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Speaker 1: purpose brands are being represented underneath one roof. So you

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Speaker 1: can walk in and you can buy um some of

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Speaker 1: the brains that you might even know, like Sackcloth and ashes,

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Speaker 1: an able and Generous Um mud Love, which is a

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Speaker 1: really popular pottery company out of Worth Sunday and actually

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Speaker 1: but it's everywhere now and so you can walk in

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Speaker 1: and buy him. And in the back the Generous coffee

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Speaker 1: is being served up at the cafe. So go in

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Speaker 1: and stop if you're in New York City in the

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Speaker 1: Soho neighborhood and say hey, and then tell him I

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Speaker 1: sent you. I don't think you get a discount, but

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Speaker 1: I think you just might get a high five and

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Speaker 1: that would be worth As we get started today, we

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Speaker 1: want to mention our batch Bracket rule of the week.

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Speaker 1: The Batch Bracket rule of the week is for week five,

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Speaker 1: you get ten plus points every time a contestant is

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Speaker 1: seen holding Michelle's hand. Oh my goodness, that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a lot of points brought out this week. Guys, we

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Speaker 1: have a very cool guest on the podcast today. His

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Speaker 1: name is Ben Smith. You may not have um, he

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Speaker 1: exciting to We're really excited to catch up with him,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to do so after this break. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: we have Ben Smith on the podcast and it's the

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Speaker 1: first time even though he was as a prominent contestant

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Speaker 1: last year on Tatia and Claire season. Ben, Hey, where

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Speaker 1: have you been? Why haven't you visited us? Well, this

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Speaker 1: is the first time I've been invited to stop that. No,

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Speaker 1: I get really triggered by like the glow thing. I

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Speaker 1: like you're doing all right, even though it's miserable. Thank you, Ben, congrats,

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Speaker 1: congrats on your wedding. That seems like a cool thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Was just a good decision to still record

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Speaker 1: your question, Ashley, I've just been living my life. I

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Speaker 1: The same thing you were doing before the show? Yeahh so,

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Speaker 1: burning question is why didn't you go on Bachelor in Paradise?

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Speaker 1: So I feel like you're dedicated. I hear that's invite

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Speaker 1: but you got the invite, right, I did not come on.

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Speaker 1: ourselves the Hoosiers. That's where this came from. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: love is blossom. We like to consider ourselves a love

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Speaker 1: bring light to a situation that makes someone else feel

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00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: a little bit less unheard or unseen or less understood

427
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: than I can, Like, I feel good about everything that

428
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: that's happened so far. So definitely did that I know

429
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: that's happened, and I know, and it's been really cool. Uh,

430
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: Like a guy that looks like me, or a guy

431
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: that does the job that I do, or you know,

432
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: there's all these like preconceptions about who I am and

433
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: what I am, and it was nice to share just

434
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: a little bit of myself on the show. I know

435
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: it's like you see one percent of one percent of

436
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: what I am, and then after the fact you see

437
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: what I care to show, you know, like via social

438
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: media or in like an interview like this, and so

439
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 1: people never get the full picture. But I am really

440
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: thankful that like a small part, a really valuable part,

441
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: was able to be shared with a lot of people.

442
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: So that's been really cool. Talk me through. It's always

443
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: interesting to to Ashley and I, um talk me through

444
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: the moment that you decided to open up about this

445
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: um and walk out butt naked on national television on

446
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: a date. So obviously this is a okay, So like

447
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna set up this a little bit. So

448
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 1: like you have this thing that you know is going

449
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: to be an important conversation to be had, and you

450
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: know that you are at this point ready to talk

451
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: about it, and you're getting prepped for this date, and

452
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: at some point you decided this is the way it's

453
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: going to happen. I and like take away everything else,

454
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 1: But you can't really do but take away everything else,

455
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: like the courage to just do that. In general, like

456
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: nowadays we're seeing more and more people come out on

457
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: this show naked. I would have never been it. I

458
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: just I don't have that confidence. I guess yeah, like

459
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 1: walks through that behind the scenes for for everybody listening. So, um,

460
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: I can like set the scene, but the date, it's

461
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: an art specific date. We're expressing ourselves through like different mediums,

462
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: ones like clay. There's a charcoal painting expression, and there's

463
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: some other stuff that's going on. And the final portion

464
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: of the date is a self portrait. And I'm not

465
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: good at drawing, and I'm pretty okay like expressing myself verbally,

466
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: but I I wanted it to be like impactful and

467
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: like some grand gesture. I think maybe I struggle with

468
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: like I struggle with opening up sometimes. But the eating

469
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: disorder and that date were or or sharing that I

470
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: had and eating disorder for a long time and that

471
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: date were like mutually exclusive. Like the thing with getting

472
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: naked was a thing that like I'm comfortable doing. I

473
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: if you ask them, if you called my mom and said,

474
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, what is Ben's deal, He's always naked, to

475
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, he's been doing that since he was

476
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: a baby. Um, the eating disorder wasn't about me being

477
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in my body. It was more of a control thing.

478
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: Like I uh, like someone who like turns to alcohol.

479
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: I turned to food. It was a numbing agent. It

480
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: kept me safe in times where I felt like I

481
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: wasn't safe. And so that's what the eating disorder was

482
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: for me. Um fueled by my childhood, fueled by my

483
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: experience in the military, fueled by a ton of things

484
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: that made me feel really out of control. And food

485
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: was something that I could control explicitly. And so that's

486
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: that's where the eating disorder came from. But the the

487
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: being naked thing was I was in a room full

488
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: of guys who felt the same way about this woman

489
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: that I did, and I knew that they were all

490
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: going to do something artistic in the form of like

491
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: a sculpture or a painting or a whatever. And immediately

492
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 1: my brain turns to, oh, Ben, just like take your

493
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: clothes off and that will be the thing that like

494
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: it's like, oh he did something big. Um. But I

495
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: was so terrified that it was going to be like

496
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: everybody in the rooms like, oh my god, there's a butt,

497
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: Like look you see his butt over there, and like

498
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: unfortunately that kind of what happened except for Tasia, And

499
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: so in that moment, I was able to stand there like, yeah,

500
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: being naked, like doesn't it doesn't scare me. So like

501
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm naked there, I got everybody's attention, and then I

502
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: was able to have a real conversation with her, and

503
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: I said, I said. All I said was like, look,

504
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: you see a physical thing here. You see my body,

505
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: you see my face, you see my hair. But there's

506
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: so much underneath here, and there's so much underneath that

507
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: I haven't shared with anybody, and I'm so excited for

508
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: you to be the one that like uncovers that. And

509
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: so I can't remember exactly what I said, but it

510
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: was something along on along the lines of like you've

511
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: got this physical being, but you've also got everything inside

512
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: and and it was impactful. And I don't know that

513
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what they showed, but it was

514
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: that conversation and like it was this meaningful moment together

515
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: where we I think, like the relationship took you know,

516
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: a different turn or a different step um and getting

517
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: naked just happened to be the like the flash that

518
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: like allowed the moment to have, you know, I just

519
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: I was trying to create something, show this grand gesture

520
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: and then tell her something really mean, meaningful and like

521
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: it's miss that's that's interpreted a million different ways by

522
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: a million different people, like, oh, but I just wants

523
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: to show off as Wiener in front of the room.

524
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't know. No, I just wanted

525
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: it to be something where people she specifically would remember, Yeah,

526
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: you mentioned a couple of times basically what you get

527
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: to see like such a small part of your personality

528
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: like one percent? Um, what was looking back on your experience,

529
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: like the most frustrating part of your storyline that only

530
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: got shown one percent? Yeah, there's two parts of this.

531
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: So my biggest fear going in was that nobody would

532
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: understand my humor, like a pretty dry sense of humor, um,

533
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: like a a bit eclectic, Like I'm just my humor

534
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: is different than than most of the people I interact with,

535
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: but like, I think it's funny as hell. So I

536
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: was concerned that I would go on this show and

537
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: I would be myself and people would misunderstand my humor

538
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, what's the dudes deal. It only

539
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: got shown once. There was like a roast date where

540
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: we got to like roast everybody and I stopped there

541
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: and just had a ton of material and little bits

542
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: of it were shown. But that was the only time

543
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: I ever got to be funny on the on the program,

544
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: and so like I dodged able it. They're where like

545
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: they never even showed me being funny, so like never

546
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: never got to be interpreted that was never part of

547
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: your character. Yeah, But but like I was, you know,

548
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm not frustrated by any part of the experience because

549
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: it's given me things I could have never even hoped for,

550
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: which is so incredible, namely this platform to like talk

551
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: about the stuff that's really important to me. Um, but

552
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: I was a bit frustrated by the narrative that like

553
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I can't express myself emotionally or that I'm a poor communicator.

554
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: And you know, I think there's like a level of

555
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 1: empathy from the viewership or from the people that are

556
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: like interpreting this thing where you're like, this is not

557
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: a real life experience. This is like real life intensified

558
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: a millionfold, and so the way that you might normally

559
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: act or the way that you might normally respond in

560
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: the situation might not happen on the TV screen. And

561
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: so if I had any frustration to feel that, like,

562
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think that I'm an okay communicator, I

563
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I'm great, but I not for lack of trying.

564
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, some things weren't said or some things weren't

565
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: shared in the moment, but like looking back, it was

566
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: stressful as hell and so um, you know, people interpret

567
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: everything the way that they want to interpret it. But

568
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: like I am, I'm more than just the guy who

569
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: can't share his feelings, you know. And that was like

570
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: a bit frustrating trying to say that in the most

571
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: the best way. But yeah, I'm more than that guy.

572
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: So we are in the in the final minutes here seconds,

573
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: maybe would you um and I want at the end

574
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: here um actuley And I was like, if if you

575
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: kind of um publicize what you're up to, you know,

576
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: your Jim's name, how people can join you all that stuff.

577
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: But I do have a question kind of bouncing off

578
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: of what you just said. So if your storyline true,

579
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: not good or bad, was that you you lacked your

580
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: ability to communicate? Um, what was it about your moment

581
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: with Tasha where all the other guys um laughed, shocked,

582
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: said look at his butt? And she said, what was

583
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: it about Tassia that allowed her to see something more?

584
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: She was the one person that roomed that said, I,

585
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: I understand what he's doing. Why was that in your opinion? Well,

586
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: I think all I think, um, I'll gas taste up

587
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: here a bit. I think she's an incredible listener, at

588
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: least in our experience, was an incredible listener, and she

589
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: was able to see, uh, the intention behind what was

590
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: going on. And so you know, I'll give her all

591
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the credit in that. But like in a moment where

592
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: it's chaotic, there's a bunch of people in the room,

593
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: there's eight other guys or ten other guys, or however

594
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: many it was, she gave me the space, she gave

595
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: me the spotlight to like share a thing. And I'll

596
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: say that she was never distracted. I mean, as you've

597
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: been the lead before and I'm sure there's like a

598
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: million things going through your head at all times. But

599
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: what allowed me to share that with her and allowed

600
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: her to receive that is there was no distraction for her.

601
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: She was totally focused on me, and in that moment,

602
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I was totally focused on her, and it was I

603
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: was grateful then. I'm grateful now that like I had

604
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: this opportunity to share all these things with her and

605
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: for like probably the first time in a romantic relationship

606
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: in my life. I felt hurt, I felt listened to,

607
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: I felt seen, which was really exceptional. And it also like,

608
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: even though things didn't pan out in that relationship, it

609
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: lets me know that, like there is an opportunity for

610
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: that later in my life, which is really really cool. Um.

611
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: I went into the experience, I'll like elaborate just a

612
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: little bit more. I I went into the experience with

613
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: like three intentions. One was to like maybe meet a

614
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: really cool girl and have a relationship with her. The

615
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: second was to learn something about myself, and then the

616
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: third was, even if a relationship didn't materialize, to like

617
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: have faith in myself in a relationship in the future,

618
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: and also like restore my faith in women or in

619
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: my partner, you know, my future partner. And I think

620
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: all three of those things happened, which is really cool. Um.

621
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, it goes the way that it goes, and

622
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm just really grateful for her listening to me, for

623
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: her creating space for me to share my story, and

624
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 1: then for the opportunity that's come on the back end,

625
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: which has been really special and incredible. No, well, after

626
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: this half an hour conversation, now I really want to

627
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: see more of you on our TV. Well, you know,

628
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: maybe that happens later, okay man. Also, you're making me

629
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: want you to be the Bachelor because this Clayton guy

630
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: is so boring. I know nothing about him, but I

631
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: heard that he's really tall and has big muscles. Sure,

632
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: but that doesn't cut it. Well, I have the same

633
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: thing for me. Yeah, look at Ben, you know what

634
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: I mean, really tall, huge muscles, and Benny's the Bachelor.

635
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: That's That's just not all Ben either. He just has

636
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: so many more things about that. That's the one person

637
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: I remember. Ben, You Ben both Ben from Indiana, Ben Smith.

638
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: I just want to wrap up with two like really

639
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: silly questions about some guys that made some splashy, splashy

640
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Speaker 1: headlines since your time with them on your season. There's

641
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Blake Moins. Uh, what do you think about everything that's

642
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: gone down with him over the past nine months? Well,

643
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: so I didn't even realize that he was going back

644
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: on the show, Like I didn't you And and then

645
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: I see all these like people send me like Instagram

646
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: stuff all the time, but I see all these things

647
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: like he's back on the show. I think the video

648
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: was like him holding a thing, holding a boom box

649
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: in the street, which is kind of funny. So you

650
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: haven't kept in touch, I suppose not not really, not

651
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: really no, Um, you know, I think there was like

652
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: talk with maybe doing some like philanthropic thing where we

653
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: like go to Africa and we do great stuff for

654
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: rhinos and other wildlife, but we really haven't communicated much

655
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: since then. I heard that he just broke up with Katie.

656
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: I I don't know the specifics on that, but I

657
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: heard that that happened, and I hope that they're both

658
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: doing all right. Um, I should probably reach out to him.

659
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: And and then there's Brandon, who you're Brendan, who you're

660
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: with the entire time on tatious season, and he was

661
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: a little sketch ball down in Paradise. Was that at

662
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: all surprising for you? I was very taken aback. Again,

663
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: I like didn't watch Paradise. I feel he's saying that

664
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: is like you guys right, Uh, yes, I didn't watch anything.

665
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: But like just the same way with Blake, I've heard

666
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: tons of stuff. Um, you know, Brennan has visited me

667
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles at the gym, so I was very

668
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, we we were close on our season together. Um,

669
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: he's come and visit me in Los Angeles. I was

670
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: incredibly surprised by what not only what he said, but

671
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: but what has been said, you know, in response to

672
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: all the things. And and I hope for his sake

673
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: that he's doing okay. And I hope that like everyone

674
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: else affected by everything that's gone on, is also doing okay.

675
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: It's it's just such a crazy deal telling you what.

676
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: These characters come out at some point. So here's a

677
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: here's the funny thing. I had a boss early on,

678
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: and what did he say. He said, you can fool

679
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: everybody for a little bit, but you can't fool anybody forever.

680
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: It's good everybody for a little bit, but you can't

681
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: fool everybody forever. So atually, when your life is televised,

682
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard. Whenever there's cameras and microphones all

683
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: the time, Yeah, all the time, like not even just

684
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: have all of the time. Yeah, it's wild to me.

685
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: So it's always been shocking, is the things people decided

686
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: to say they're gonna get away with it. They never do.

687
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: They never do. It's always the thing that's shown. Actually,

688
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: I can think of a time or two people didn't

689
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: get away with it, but we won't go there. Yeah, um, Ben,

690
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: as we say goodbye to you. If you can't just

691
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: get like a twenty minute plug, twenty second plug. You're

692
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: commercial for everything you're up to, where people can find you,

693
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: how they can support you. Yeah, I really appreciate it.

694
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Speaker 1: My name's Ben Smith. I live in Venice Beach, California.

695
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: I own a gym called Rodeo Athletic at Rodeo r

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Speaker 1: O d e O Athletic, we are in West Hollywood, California.

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Speaker 1: My social media is at Ben V Smith B N

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Speaker 1: V E S M I T h UM. If you're

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Speaker 1: into feeling really good about yourself and about the life

700
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Speaker 1: that you're currently living, follow along and I'll relate to

701
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Speaker 1: on there. Sweet go check out Rodeo Athletic. Ben Smith,

702
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: thanks for coming almost for his podcast. It's been a pleasure,

703
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: and thanks for joining us for the first time. Every Yeah, well,

704
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: it's great to have been Smith on the episode. It

705
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: is good to hear from him. It's been a while.

706
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: I am shocked actually that he was not invited to

707
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: Paradise weird. Do you know what it reminds me of? What? Um?

708
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: Remember Peter from Rachel's season when he didn't get invited

709
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: back to any thing else. Well, yeah, but I think

710
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: that that was more like Peter's decision making right, It

711
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: wasn't that, more like negotiations didn't exactly go the best

712
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: like they wanted him, but like he had you know. Yeah,

713
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: well it's still shocking. It was great to have been on. Hey. Actually,

714
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Speaker 1: before we do this week's breakdown of the episode, I

715
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Speaker 1: want to say thank you to everybody. I'm not gonna

716
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: be able to respond to everybody because it's been a

717
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: lot who sent advice or info on a ls are

718
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: our fan base. Actually, like I've never asked anything of

719
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: anybody that I've gotten a bigger response to. Well, that's

720
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: so so good to hear, and I'm reading them all,

721
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: but like it's impossible to I know, sometimes when you

722
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: open up about something, you get the most incredible responses

723
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: and you do end up reading them all, but then

724
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: you have a sense of being overwhelmed that you can't

725
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: thank people enough. Yeah, so like just you guys, just

726
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: let we just want to let you know that, like

727
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: we appreciate everything that you send us and we really

728
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: do try to read it all. We're so sorry we

729
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: can't respond to it all, definitely, And then this side

730
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: is I don't want, you know, Brandon Sam to be

731
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: overwhelmed either, like you know, and so we're filtering through stuff.

732
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Speaker 1: I have somebody always going through the emails and the

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Speaker 1: d m s, like you know, gathering information, sending it

734
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Speaker 1: off to me or them when it feels helpful. But

735
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: just like people are awesome. So that's you know, that's something,

736
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Speaker 1: UM that I just want to sit on. Well, hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: it is time to break down another episode of Michelle's

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Speaker 1: season Ashley. To get us started, I think it would

739
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: be helpful, um to share overarching thoughts so far leading

740
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Speaker 1: up to this and then even after this episode, and

741
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: we go step by step in chronological order. Here's my thoughts.

742
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: Clinton still did not shine and I'm shocked. Why. Uh,

743
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: It's just I'm waiting for him to explode as a

744
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: main character, and it just doesn't feel like it's happening

745
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: to me. I don't think it's gonna happen. You don't

746
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen. No, I I don't know what

747
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: they were thinking. I don't even think that there's anything

748
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: he can do to make me in gross in him

749
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: right now? Well, you would expect him to have a

750
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: few more episodes laugh, and it just takes one like

751
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: that's what world not. It just takes one episode to

752
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: really like change the narrative. But at this point I

753
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: am surprised because they need they need a good Bachelor's season.

754
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: They need a compelling lead. They need somebody that like

755
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: the audience rally behind, and I actually thought, like, this

756
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be that guy. They haven't had it in

757
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: a while. Um, you know, I thought, oh, this is

758
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: this is the reason they chose him so early is

759
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: because they think this guy is gonna steal the hearts

760
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: of America and uh and so far we just don't

761
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: know anything about him, Like he's just there. But like

762
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: there's guys on the season, like the Nates of the

763
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: world and the Joes of the world and the Rodney's

764
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: of the world that are like, in my opinion, people

765
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: are rallied behind, like they're like, oh, this is good, this,

766
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: this is good stuff. Like these guys could do it. Yeah,

767
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: He's there's definitely better options. But I have to say, overall,

768
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: because you did want my macro opinion, then these guys

769
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Speaker 1: are good enough for my show. I'm like obsessed with her.

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Speaker 1: She's so cool and so pretty, and I just feel

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Speaker 1: very underwhelmed by the group in general. Um that's a

772
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: fair statement, because I do think she is in a

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Speaker 1: league of her own when it comes to life. I

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Speaker 1: just think she's really incredible. Um. I you know, we

775
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: feel this way often. Actually, I want to remind us

776
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: that we feel this way often at this point in

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Speaker 1: a season where um, we're like, you know what, there's

778
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Speaker 1: just nobody up to the lead, you know, standards, and

779
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: then at the end of the season, um, you know,

780
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Speaker 1: stuff starts to which I mean, think about how big.

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Speaker 1: It's not like we are ever not a fan of

782
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: Zack um, but there was a moment during that season

783
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: where we didn't know she'd end up with Zach's true

784
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: and now we see Tasha and Zach together and we're like,

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00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: oh no, this is this is good bigod. I became

786
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: obsessed with with Zach for Tasia as time went on. Yeah,

787
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: late in the season, were not at Yeah, so it

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00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: could still happen. I'm with you. I think Michelle is incredible.

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00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: We've talked about the upcoming lead, We've talked about the

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00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: current lead. Um, we're still waiting for both things to

791
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: happen for Michelle on her season and also Clayton to shine.

792
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: Uh again, I said in the same place I did.

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Speaker 1: I don't dislike the guy. I just don't know the guy.

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00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't have much of a feeling on the man,

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00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: and so as a result, I'm just not convinced that

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00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like full on support running into this

797
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: bat next that's their season going. I cannot wait for

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00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: this guy to find love because I just don't know.

799
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: So that's where we stand. I'm hoping that changes for Michelle. Yeah, like,

800
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: maybe we'll just stop talking about him for the next

801
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and then if if he gets eliminated

802
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: and we still feel nothing, then we'll really critique the

803
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: crap out of this whole situation. I'm going to talk

804
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: about every week because I think I think it's a

805
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: storyline that everybody's wondering. Every week. You see Twitter blowing up.

806
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: I mean last week, his name was trending with people

807
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: going where it's a big conversation. People are waiting, people

808
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: are wanting um, and they need a big one. So okay, Ashley,

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00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: chronological order this episode, Let's step through it, all right,

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Speaker 1: Let's do it Okay, so let's do the first one

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Speaker 1: on one, which is with m Martin. And Martin we

812
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: were saying that we kind of liked him, he was

813
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: kind of a dark horse LA this week. This this

814
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: date actually didn't make me like it more. What about you? No, Um,

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Speaker 1: I think he was fine. I think what I would

816
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: say about this date was it just like it allowed

817
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: us to highlight him. And I just don't think he's

818
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: like stepped up, like I just don't. I mean, he

819
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: he was obviously, he tried to open up, he was vulnerable,

820
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: and he tried to communicate. And that's good. I mean,

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00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: it's good and it's healthy in a dating relationship. However,

822
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: nothing from this date made me go this is her

823
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: husband or this is a future partner? Just made go

824
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: and and even the way uh yeah, yeah, they're very awkward,

825
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: like tub thing Um was when I really saw and

826
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy just doesn't it for her.

827
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: In my opinion, he's missing it and he doesn't necessarily

828
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: know how to handle himself right now and like a

829
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: natural way with an incredible person by side. So no,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I still I'm more of a fan of

831
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: him than I thought I would be. Um and that's

832
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: mostly based on my judgmental ways of seeing him in

833
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: a picture. Uh. And he's growing on me, but I

834
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: think this week he didn't grow any further than he

835
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: did last week. No, I don't think that he was

836
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: trying to like question her judgment about the Jamie situation.

837
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't pick the words correctly. I can still

838
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: understand why should we get a little awkward about it,

839
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: But I just felt like there was Yeah, there just

840
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: was like not enough there for me for me to

841
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: like pull him through as a favorite in my mind. Yeah. Um,

842
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: And their conversation over dinner was just kind of about

843
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's like blunt and like it's

844
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: always working on like what what do we say, like

845
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: get get just like communicating better and allowing himself to

846
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: open up. Yeah, And I mean, and I mean I'm sure,

847
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 1: like I don't know everybody's upbringing, and I'm sure people

848
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: do struggle with that. You know. Michelle did empathize with

849
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: him and said I'm similar. He was like, I don't cry. Yeah,

850
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: but the the hey, I'm blunt and it can come

851
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: off wrong. Like it's kind of when somebody says like sorry,

852
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: I just I just speak truth. But really they're just

853
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: me like you know, like it's like, oh, you know,

854
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: you're just a jerk, like you just you know, when

855
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: somebody's like sorry, I just say what's on my mind,

856
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, like if we all did that

857
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: all the time, like we just all be mean to

858
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: each other. Probably, So it doesn't like that end fly

859
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: with me as much as them relating on the So

860
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to get emotional. It's it's you know,

861
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: I don't get I'm not allowing myself to go deep.

862
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: That stuff was fine. I just don't that this whole

863
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: date fell short for me on a romantic level for

864
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: the two of them. Meanwhile, back at the house, there's

865
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: a group date card that comes. Nate sees that he's

866
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: not the person who's going on the one on one,

867
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: and he ends up saying that he's not stressed about

868
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: um not getting it. He said, eventually it will come.

869
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: He feels like he's in a good spot regardless, which

870
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: flags Chris s to like, I think that he's coming

871
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: off as cocky. I can kind of see that there's

872
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: like a you know, there's a fine line between confidence

873
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: and cocky. Um. I think he just feels good about himself.

874
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't find a huge problem with it.

875
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: I think that absolutely Chris is ridiculous in the entire

876
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: second half of the episode. Yeah yeah, I mean, what

877
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: do you want Nate to say, like, oh my gosh,

878
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't have the one on one. I think I'm

879
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: going home. He He's not, like it's fair for him

880
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: to say, I'm okay, Like this is the journey that

881
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: she wants to go on. I don't need to go

882
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: on this day, and I would like to be on

883
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: this day, but I know it's gonna come at some point.

884
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: That's okay. Maybe it came off a little cocky, maybe

885
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: somebody there was since it of to it, But at

886
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: the same time, I personally have zero problem with that

887
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: mindset of I'm good for now, like I'll wait until

888
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: she's ready. Same same, okay. So the group date was

889
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: like a real big bummer for Michelle because it was

890
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: a sleepover themed but it seemed like the guys all

891
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: went into bro zone and they gave her no attention,

892
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: and I guys do this and girls don't. This would

893
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: only happen on The Bachelorette, where the guys get so

894
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: browy and like enjoy the activity so much that they

895
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: end up ignoring the girl. The girls would never have

896
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: that happen and have the guy be sitting in the

897
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: corner not being pursued. No, guys love hanging out with

898
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: guys sometimes. Well, yeah, I get that, but it's also

899
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: just weird to me that she was so alone the

900
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: whole time. I mean, do you think that like there

901
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: was something said ed where they were like, yeah, Michelle

902
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: doesn't feel very good today. We were alone? Oh maybe?

903
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean even then, though you would have had somebody there,

904
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: you'd expect that would have checked on her. They didn't

905
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: show it, but like typically, you know, what I would

906
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: say is like the overall tone of the date um

907
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: is fairly accurately shown on television, Like there's not a

908
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: date that I ever went on that. I watched it

909
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: back and I was like, that's not at all what happened. Like,

910
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: if the tone of the date overall was hey, she

911
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: felt like she was on the outside looking in, then uh,

912
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: I think they accurately portrayed. And I'm imagining that is

913
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: because she has personal conversations about that afterwards. So she

914
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: felt pushed aside. She felt like these guys were more

915
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: interested in to hang out with each other, but also

916
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: just a weird date. I mean, I know they're trying

917
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: to get creative and so far this season has had

918
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: some incredible dates, but like this is probably in the

919
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: hotel conference room and they've like don't look like a

920
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: living room. Like what a weird date to have. In general, Yeah,

921
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. Again, as far as the pillow

922
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: Fly and the pillow slash Cheddy Bear flight, you guys

923
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: know that I can't stand it when it's like some

924
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: sort of competition. At least this time it was a

925
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: competition where nobody was going to get hurt, because we

926
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: always complain about that because somebody always gets hurt. But

927
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty safe, pretty PG. But I still like kind

928
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: of dazed out about it, Like I don't really care. Um,

929
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was I think it's

930
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: was odd how little she was pursued to the point

931
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: where it's just like was there something going on? I

932
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: don't know. But I also don't think that that is

933
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: Like I'm not worried about that being the tone for

934
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: the guys about Michelle, Like I think they're very yeah

935
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: and so possibly, Um, you know, the date just didn't

936
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: go according to plan or you know, nobody stepped up

937
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: to do it well. But I I think these guys

938
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: are super into into Michelle, and I think they want

939
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: to give her attention. Maybe they just didn't know how

940
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: to in them in that scenario. Okay, That's my one

941
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: thing is sometimes I would just be so nervous on

942
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: the show, the the main show, that I would be

943
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: just like scared to kind of like go up to

944
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: Chris and start talking because I'd be like, oh, if

945
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: nobody else is doing it, then maybe I shouldn't be

946
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: doing it. Is this awkward like what am I going

947
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: to talk about? All so to kind of like psych

948
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: yourself out? And I can see that maybe like that

949
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: became a train like effect. Yeah it is, but it

950
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: doesn't it And it sparks an important conversation for Michelle

951
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: where we get to see more of her and understand

952
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 1: more of her um because this day really led into

953
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: her then opening up about the fear of not being seen,

954
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: the fear of being um pushed aside, the fear of

955
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: being like feeling like the outsider looking in when you

956
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: know she's not right. She's the lead of the show,

957
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: She's she's the the has the attention of every man,

958
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: at least we hope that is there. But it does

959
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: allow us to hear more of her, some of her

960
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: insecurities and struggles and what makes her Michelle. And that

961
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: was a great moment and some guys did step up

962
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: in that moment for her as she opened up about

963
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: that Alu being the one. I mean, he stepped up

964
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: for her in that moment and was, in my opinion,

965
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: if we're looking at this thing, like now I know,

966
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: I know he's a He's a force to be recogniss

967
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: on with on this show. He is now the Martin

968
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: of last week, where we don't know a lot about

969
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: him leading up to this and now we're like, you know,

970
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: this guy's this guy's got something for her. Yeah, he's

971
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: a sweetness. I got good vibes from him and it

972
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: was a really good, meaningful, deep converse station that they had.

973
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm glad he got that Rose. I'm glad that, like

974
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: we have another solid quality man in this group. Yeah.

975
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: And the other quality guy that I think kind of

976
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: like came out of the woodwork this episode was Rick,

977
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: who got the other one on one day. It seems

978
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: like a really sweet guy. I do not feel a

979
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: ton of romance between them. But he's a nice guy

980
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: right before this episode and maybe still forever. I'm going

981
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: to think about his head on the dinner track. That's

982
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: weird that it. It's really sticking for with me. It's

983
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: hard to take him seriously and that's how you can remember,

984
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: is his head on a platter. Um. But yeah, I'm

985
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: with you. But he did, he stood up, stood out,

986
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: and um, this is I'd say the two the best

987
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: episode was for a Loo and then for Rick. Those

988
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: two had the best episode. Um. I believe they both

989
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: will be around now a while because it wasn't like this, Um,

990
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: this kind of like sudden spark. Now we both got

991
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: to see a lot, We got to see his viewers

992
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: a lot of both of them, and I think that

993
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: proved over time. It proved that this related their relationship

994
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: with Michelle is something special. Yeah, they're both going to

995
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: go way farther than I think we would have initially imagined.

996
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: With Rick. Um, he he had that story that he

997
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: told about his dad was just heartbreaking. I mean, this

998
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: is the second one on one that Michelle's had where

999
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: she has somebody confide in her that apparent committed suicide

1000
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: and that is a lot to handle, I mean, and

1001
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: for him to have this guilt like with him for

1002
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: the rest of his life because he was the one

1003
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: who caught the dad cheating is just so heavy, so sad. Yeah,

1004
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, actually it shows us every time, and it's

1005
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: people that go on this show and and people in

1006
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: general have incredibly hard and also incredibly beautiful stories, and

1007
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: we get to hear him on this show. It's one

1008
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: of the the best parts of the show. Is that

1009
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: does allow the space for us to connect with the

1010
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: cast members and also have conversations that matter, which Michelle

1011
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: is doing this year, and then have conversations with people

1012
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: like Rick that matter and that get to know him better. Um.

1013
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm just saying, like, over time, we

1014
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: we either fall in love with these people more or

1015
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: we push away from him more. And for us this week,

1016
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: especially like we understand Rick better. Um, and we'll probably

1017
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: get to understand Rick a lot more as this season

1018
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: goes on. But uh, that was that was a tough

1019
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: conversation to sit through, but one that was so necessary

1020
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: because I'm sure Rick is not the only one out

1021
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: there who feels similar to how he's feeling now. Yeah,

1022
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite parts of the show is

1023
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: that people get to see, you know, viewers get to

1024
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: watch people have these hard conversations on TV, and therefore

1025
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: them being at home feel like more seen, which is

1026
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: like kind of ironic that like I'm talking about being

1027
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: seen when the theme of the episode was Michelle feeling

1028
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: not seen. But I do think that Rick was a

1029
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: great choice following that group date because he is the

1030
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: kind of personality that's just going to be like obsessed

1031
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: with her, do you know what I mean? Like he

1032
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: probably feels like he's a little out of that she's

1033
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: a little out of his league, and that's the kind

1034
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: of guy that's gonna like give you, He's gonna worship

1035
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: you if you're a Michion. Is interesting too because Mache

1036
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know this, Michelle would have had

1037
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: no idea his story before this date. Like there's not

1038
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: like a list of this is Rick, this is his story?

1039
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: Do you want him to go on this world? She

1040
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: chose Rick because she was obviously interested in Rick, and

1041
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: he just happened to be there on a week that

1042
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: it was so I would say, probably uh needed for

1043
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: her and for him. Uh And and so the timing

1044
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: of this is really beautiful because she would have known

1045
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: his story, um when she asked him to go on

1046
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: this week's one on one. Yes, yes, so true. So

1047
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: the theme of being seen continues with the cocktail party

1048
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: slash Rose ceremony when Chris is a little weird and like,

1049
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: there were some bleepout things that I was a little

1050
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: confused with. They were bleeping out. Uh, I guess he

1051
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: says that's left up, right, He just like straight off

1052
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: the top, says it's left up that you guys didn't

1053
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: show her the effort she deserves. But I'm like, um, Chris,

1054
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: you were on that date too. You're clumbed into that feeling.

1055
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: She was refer into your part of the date, not

1056
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: the nighttime portion of the date. Um, you know, you

1057
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: just classic And this is classic guy not getting attention,

1058
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, probably on the verge of getting eliminated, and

1059
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: he decides to get attention by creating some drama. Yeah,

1060
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean it just happens every season. We

1061
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: could get upset about it every season. We could, you know,

1062
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: throw our fists up in the air and be like, Chris,

1063
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: what are you doing? This makes no sense? Where do

1064
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: you hope this goes, are you trying to ruin this

1065
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: experience for her and for everybody else there? And just

1066
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: like help yourself out? So I'm you know what it

1067
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: does for me, ash if I'm gonna be like harsh, yeah,

1068
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: I just don't take him seriously anyway. I mean like

1069
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing to take seriously. He comes across as like

1070
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: I used car salesman in an eighties movie. Yeah, sure, yeah,

1071
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: that's that's a great example. It's like, all right, cool man,

1072
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: you've you've you've said what you need to say, You've

1073
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: had your your party here, the attention has been on you.

1074
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: You're gone. You know, this is just in my head,

1075
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: this doesn't matter anymore, Like and I'm tired what I

1076
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: don't love Ashley? And it's happened now through Michelle's season,

1077
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: it's been this constant theme is every week, somehow, some way,

1078
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: her week has been ruined. And I remember times when

1079
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, if Michelle is feeling if her insecurity is

1080
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: not being seen. I imagine she has some insecurities being

1081
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: the bachelor, Like she's doing an incredible job, but like

1082
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: at some point you're holding on for anything just to

1083
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: feel like you belong there. As the bachelors so you

1084
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: can can you continue to date and function this environment?

1085
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: And if every week you're in your own head questioning

1086
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: is anybody into me? Um? Is anybody here for me?

1087
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna mess with you Like people and viewers

1088
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: might not get that like it does. I had two

1089
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: weeks of this during my season where like something happened

1090
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: when I was like, I don't think anybody actually wants

1091
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: to be here, um And and you lay in bed

1092
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: at night and you're like, this thing's gonna come crashing

1093
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: down around like this thing's done. I don't belong here.

1094
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm I've proven it to myself. So I'm sick of

1095
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: that because I feel bad for Michelle that we have

1096
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: to continue to, you know, broach this subject. I feel you,

1097
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Nate when she sat down

1098
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: with him? Because while I'm of course more on Nate's

1099
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: side here than Chris's, I don't think it was Nate's

1100
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: shining moment. When he sat down. You could tell that

1101
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: he he didn't like feeling. I mean, obviously nobody's gonna

1102
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: like feeling targeted. Yeah, but I don't know that he

1103
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: like reassured her in the best way. He kind of

1104
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: came across as cool guy. Yeah, that might be that.

1105
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: I think you just explained it. You know, how do

1106
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: I feel about it? Was? Um, he was defending, you know,

1107
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: he felt defensive and instead of um, being in a

1108
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: place where you are defensive of the person probably most hurt,

1109
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: which is not him, it's Michelle. He is defensive himself,

1110
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: and that just doesn't come off well. But you know

1111
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: it's he's also in the moment, which is why one

1112
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: of the issues with the show is you don't have

1113
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: time to like process and think and like step away

1114
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: and then come back and be like, you know what

1115
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: after you're thinking about that, Michelle, you're probably most hurt here.

1116
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: Let me hear from you. You have to almost react.

1117
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, you've heard me say it before,

1118
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: and we've talked about like the best leads and the

1119
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: best cast members are ones that don't overreact. Um, they're

1120
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: really get at navigating the problems. Michelle is really good

1121
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: at navigating the problems. She takes time away, she cancels

1122
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: cocktail parties. She says, Hey, I'm not ready to speak

1123
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: on this stuff yet. But for Nate, it was I

1124
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: felt like he just started talking too soon, and it

1125
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: came off it came off fairly uh self promoting and

1126
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: not as much focused on her. I hope he turned

1127
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 1: back to the guy that we saw previously come next

1128
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: week in which they're going to Minnesota. Yeah, you and

1129
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: I wanted them to go to Minnesota. I don't know

1130
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: why I've been not cool with them being in Palm Springs.

1131
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm just really sad that they're hot, so hot all

1132
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: the time and so sweaty. Minnesota is gonna be great,

1133
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be beautiful. Um, it's gonna be comfortable to her,

1134
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: and you know she's down to a smaller group of people. Uh,

1135
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: and hope. I mean we said it last week, were

1136
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: this group guys are like the right ones for her.

1137
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: I really hope that there's somebody that emerges that I

1138
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: feel like is the perfect combination of sweet, smart, romantic,

1139
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: because I feel like she has romance with some guys

1140
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: and then she has like depth and like real quality

1141
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: in some guys. But I don't know that I'm seeing

1142
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: someone who has the full rounded picture for I'm hoping.

1143
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm hoping. Well, I mean, it's a good point. Um.

1144
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: As we talked about earlier viewers, listeners out there, who

1145
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: do you see from Michelle right now? Who is your

1146
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: top choices? But Ashuley so right us in Ashley as

1147
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: we do every week. Now, who's your top three? Mm

1148
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: hmm Joe Rodney and right, maybe Brendon Brendon, No, yeah,

1149
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: Brandon Brendon. Okay, so Brandon, Yeah, I'm gonna go Joe Rodney.

1150
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna still throw Nate up there. Um Yeah, I'm

1151
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: gonna say I like Brandon a lot. I mean, he's

1152
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of momentum, but I still see

1153
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: the Joe Rodney Nate thing is um as the three,

1154
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, biggest players. It's interesting if you look at

1155
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: this list of Brandon Leroy, Joe Rodney, Clayton, Casey, Nate,

1156
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: Chris s um I I would say that, you know, Rick, Brandon, Joe,

1157
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: Nate Rodney are all above Clayton in terms of familiarity

1158
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: right now. And that's just odd again, just out of me.

1159
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: We could keep beating that thought down. I just I'm

1160
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: a little surprised by it. Super super weird thing about Joe.

1161
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: How interesting would be if she ends up with a

1162
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: guy that she like previously d M and like lives

1163
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: in her city. I mean it's probably happened before, maybe

1164
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: not the city thing, but the previous d M thing.

1165
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: Well kind of a Katie and and Blake. Yeah, I

1166
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: would say it's not gonna be there, but I think

1167
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: it would be cool because maybe they needed this to

1168
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: get together. Um, they needed this to push him, and

1169
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm cool with that. Like, ultimately, we just want

1170
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: to see everybody's love story play out, and so if

1171
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: that's where love takes them, then that's where I love

1172
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: takes them. Yep. All right, Well, after this, we're gonna

1173
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: do Bachelor headlines, and Ben, you're part of Bachelor Headlines

1174
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to dig into it with you.

1175
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: It's time for Bachelor Headlines with our resident expert, Ashley.

1176
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: I get Eddie here to break down everything going on

1177
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: in Bachelor headlines. I haven't seen the headline yet, but

1178
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: she hinted to me that I'm in them, so uh

1179
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: oh is Anyways, Um, here's the first headline of this week.

1180
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: Katie Thurston seemingly responds to wild rumors about her friendship

1181
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: with John Hersey after Blake Moyne split. As according to

1182
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: US Weekly, so there's this guy, John Hersey which you

1183
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: may not even know if you and follow Katie or

1184
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: him on social media. He was eliminated week two during

1185
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: her season, and she wrote or said something on Instagram

1186
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: this week saying, y'all are getting wild in my d ms.

1187
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: Um said internet rumors are leading me to become This

1188
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: is weeks ago. She said this part internet rumors lead

1189
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: me to this guy becoming a dear friend. UM, and

1190
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: people are d m ng her things like hope you

1191
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: guys are more than friends now heart emoji um, or

1192
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: it won't be long until romance blooms between you guys.

1193
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: But I think she's trying to make it very clear

1194
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: they are just friends. Apparently, she posted a picture of

1195
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: a bouquet of flowers that she got from a friend

1196
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: and the note said these are not romantic flowers. These

1197
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: are happy flowers because I want you to be happy

1198
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: and um, fans are speculating that that was from him now,

1199
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: just based on this info. Do you think that the

1200
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: that this guy John wants to be friends with Katie

1201
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: or is he slowly trying to make his way out

1202
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: of the friend zone. Oh, I'm sure he's trying to

1203
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: make his way out of friends zone. Of I think

1204
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really good examples of guys and

1205
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: girls being friends, right Sending flowers that's always. That's like

1206
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: where you have to draw the line. That's where I

1207
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: drew a line with Jared where I was like, Nope,

1208
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: no matter what people tell me, he likes me. This

1209
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: was between Bachelor and Paradise seasons because there were two moments,

1210
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: one in October and one in March where he sent

1211
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: me flowers and the note was so personal, definitely not

1212
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: just friends, like he said in the second one on

1213
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: my birthday, like the cory to your topanga, and it

1214
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: was just like I was like, Okay, guys, you can

1215
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: pretend like I'm crazy, but I am not. So he

1216
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: really knows the way to your heart. Wow. All right.

1217
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: Next headline is this Ben Higgins. We we kind of

1218
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: know him details Jessica Clark kind of know her. Also

1219
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,919
Speaker 1: wedding three efficients and countless Bachelor and Bachelor at Alums

1220
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: is according to US Weekly, what do you want to

1221
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: talk about? According to US Weekly and yourself three officiants,

1222
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 1: how did you not mention this last week? And I

1223
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: was grilling you about wedding details? That's a good point.

1224
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why didn't it. Um, Yeah, we're having

1225
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: three efficients and it's I think it's gonna be like

1226
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: the cool unique one of the one of the unique

1227
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: things that exists for us is, Um, we want Jessic

1228
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: and I both wanted this wedding to be a celebration. Um,

1229
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: And every wedding is right, but we really wanted this

1230
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: to highlight us coming together and the people in our

1231
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: lives that have played a role in us coming together,

1232
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 1: if that's childhood, if that's you know, adulthood, whatever, and

1233
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: so um, it's a big deal for us because we

1234
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: have my childhood pastor, we have her childhood pastor. Uh,

1235
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: and then we have a pastor who had a huge

1236
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: role in my life specifically and hers over the last

1237
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: couple of years in Denver. And so we wanted to

1238
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: incorporate all of them because it didn't make sense for

1239
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: us to just have one of them. And so one

1240
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: is going to intro, one is going to do the middle,

1241
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: one is going to do the closing, And that way

1242
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: we get married by all three of them, and we

1243
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: can say, like those three people in our lives, Um,

1244
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,759
Speaker 1: we'll have played a role and will now have always

1245
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: played a role in our relationship. That's really sweet. I

1246
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: love that. And then of course everybody wants to know

1247
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: who's going to be there. And this guest list of

1248
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: Bachelor contestants and alms and friends. Nobody is surprising to me,

1249
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: but I'm going to list them off. Okay, so it's

1250
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: me and Jared, it's not all, that's not all. That's

1251
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: not all of them. Okay, this is what you mentioned,

1252
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: So Me Jared, Becka Kouffrin, who's bringing her plus one, Thomas. Um.

1253
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: Then there's Dean and Kaylin. Chase mcnarry's bringing his new

1254
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: girlfriend or I guess he's been with her for a while. Um,

1255
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: Blake in a lease, Beckatilly, Um, Sewan Booth, Caitlin and

1256
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: and Jason We're both invited, but they have a tour

1257
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: date in Boston, so are not going to be there,

1258
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: which I'm going to miss her for sure there. Um

1259
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: and then Nick and Natalie, Chris Souls and uh. Okay,

1260
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: so who are we missing from that? Yeah? I would

1261
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: have to look back at the list and find out

1262
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: who we have to cross out, but that's a lot

1263
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: of them, most of them, right, um and uh. And

1264
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm just super pumped to have everybody there. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to see everyone, so excited. Um, so excited to

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Speaker 1: see everybody's so excited to celebrate with everybody. It's been

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Speaker 1: a long time since we've been in the together in

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Speaker 1: the same spot, and so um, you know, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be great. It's gonna be like a reunion a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. And the cool part about this is, you know,

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Speaker 1: these people are friends of mine, Like, these are people

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Speaker 1: I still talk to on a regular basis. Um, there's

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Speaker 1: still people that have a huge role in my life. Wells,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Wells is on the I know,

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Speaker 1: I think I meant to mention Wells separately. So it

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Speaker 1: says he's going to be an usher. You call him

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Speaker 1: an usher, Does that mean that you're not having a

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Speaker 1: proper bridal party or or is he is he's a groomsman. No,

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Speaker 1: he's like an usher. So he helps people get seated.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a Midwest thing. Um, when

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Speaker 1: you walk in, he'll be it's like, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: there's four friends of mine. Avery uh, Wells, Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be ushers. They're gonna help people get seated, sit down,

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Speaker 1: kind of get people a rally. Together. Um, so they're

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Speaker 1: part of the wedding party. They're just ushers and not

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Speaker 1: standing up with me. Do you have grooms been standing

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Speaker 1: up with you? I do? Yeah, So, um they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be uh standing up with They're gonna walk out with me,

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Speaker 1: I believe. And then my dad is my best man,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Um and so they Yes, I do

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Speaker 1: have RNs with standing up with me. That's very important

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Speaker 1: to me. Uh. And and and Jess, I mean she

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01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 1: has a lot of friends that she won standing besider lovely. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so excited. We will have a big report next week.

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Speaker 1: There were four days away ash four days, four days

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Speaker 1: so so crazy, very exciting. Um yeah, I can't wait,

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Speaker 1: can't wait. I gonna cry my eyes out. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a messages. You're going

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Speaker 1: to starting to do not she said, not like out

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: of anything more than just like we're so close and

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01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: it's so exciting, and we just got to Nashville, like

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Speaker 1: literally right when I walked in the door, and like

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Speaker 1: I finally now feel like it's here, so um, the

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Speaker 1: place that all started, I'm right back at it. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: that's enough about me. Why bachelor Nations. Peter Weber says

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01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: dating Madison prut was the most difficult experience ever disaccording

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Speaker 1: to Eat Okay, so he goes, this is literally the

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Speaker 1: most trying experience he's ever endured, most difficult experience ever

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Speaker 1: been through. As much as respect as I have for

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Speaker 1: her and think so highly of her, I definitely see

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Speaker 1: there were differences between the two of us that probably

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Speaker 1: weren't going to allow a meaningful long term relationship to flourish.

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Speaker 1: Nothing against either one of us. It's just who we are.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. Uh, it's very interesting there.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of it probably has to

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Speaker 1: do with religion, because she is so religious, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that that really ever came out about him.

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Speaker 1: So in this article from page six that came out

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Speaker 1: this week, it talks about how Maddie, who was waiting

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Speaker 1: um saving herself her marriage, walked away after learning that

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Speaker 1: Peter had been intimate with both Hannah and and Victoria

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Speaker 1: and the fantasy suits. And he was asked about whether

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Speaker 1: or not Maddie had had a fantasy suitet date, whether

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Speaker 1: that would have given them a better chance, and he said,

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Speaker 1: if that would have been the case, obviously the show

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Speaker 1: would have gone a little different. But I really truly

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Speaker 1: mean this. I don't know that that would have changed

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Speaker 1: anything in the long run, which I'm pretty sure he's

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Speaker 1: quite accurate about. I mean, yeah, of course not, because

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Speaker 1: they ended up having like plenty of private solo conversations.

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Speaker 1: Nothing about a fantasy suite date would have made the difference. No. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: I don't headline other than one kind of fun one

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Speaker 1: that we want to do. Congratulations to Tasha Adams, her fiance,

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Speaker 1: Zack Matt, James uh and many more. Biler who else

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Speaker 1: was There's a lot bachelor LNG, Peter Webber did it.

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Speaker 1: Dr Joe did it. I mean, there's a huge list

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Speaker 1: here of people who did it. But they just ran

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Speaker 1: in completed all of them. The New York City Marathon.

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Speaker 1: I was in New York City the day of the marathon. Um,

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Speaker 1: all I saw was a bunch of people and a

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Speaker 1: lot of traffic. But it was And I also had

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Speaker 1: a big piece of pizza, a couple of pieces that

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Speaker 1: night while they were running. Um, but it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to them on on completing this. It's a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: It is such a huge deal. I am mind boggled

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Speaker 1: that anyone can run a marathon. I can't even believe.

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Speaker 1: I used to run three miles in high school in

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Speaker 1: pe class. I give myself props for being able to

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Speaker 1: do that. Marathons are just I know I said this before,

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Speaker 1: but like they fascinate me because they are just seems

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Speaker 1: like the most difficul gould feet And for all of

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Speaker 1: these Bachelor alums that I've met to be able to

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Speaker 1: have the strength and endurance to do it, like I'm

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Speaker 1: I am and all of you guys, congratulations. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: final headline, the fun one that we wanted to read.

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Speaker 1: Uh e W just ranked the Bachelorette seasons. They ranked

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Speaker 1: him in this order. Tristan number one, Ashley, your thoughts. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I didn't watch triss this season. I mean I

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Speaker 1: was like fourteen when that aired, so I don't really know.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like it was a great season though it ended

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Speaker 1: in love and marriage and kids and it was a

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Speaker 1: huge season. Caitlin number two. I would like to take

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Speaker 1: credit for that since I was on that sea. I

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Speaker 1: think you are able to take partial credit for that

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Speaker 1: love Caitlin season. I agree, it was my favorite season two.

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Speaker 1: If my husband wasn't on it still would have been

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Speaker 1: my favorite Bachelorette season. Fantastic cast, fantastic lead. Heck, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a great season. Jillian was number three, which

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Speaker 1: I did not see. But did you see it? I

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Speaker 1: did not see it. I started watching at Alley's season.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so Jillian Harris got number three. So went

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Speaker 1: Tris to Caitlin. Jillian. Um. Listeners, write us in your

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Speaker 1: favorite seasons of the Bachelor. We want to hear him.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from you, and that's always fun

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: to do. So write us in let us know Ashley.

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Speaker 1: That's all we got for everybody today. It's been a

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Speaker 1: great episode of Almost Famous podcast. I will not be

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Speaker 1: here next week. I promise you that I will not

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Speaker 1: jump back on. I'm gonna be gone, but you're gonna

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Speaker 1: hold down the Ford. You're gonna be on your honeymoon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your honeymoon. Wow, that's some stuff that we can't talk

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Speaker 1: about on air. But you have a fantastic time. All

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Speaker 1: right with that, I've been been, I've been Ashley by guys.

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Speaker 1: Followed the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on

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