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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me, W. Kamau Bell. Welcome to episode

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Speaker 1: 24 of Who's With Me, my podcast brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Ravagrin Productions and Pushkin Industries and me, Who Knows

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Speaker 1: Best Productions. Uh, you can see I'm in a different

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Speaker 1: location today. I'm in Gotham Production Studios in New York City.

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Speaker 1: I had to come to New York City for none

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Speaker 1: of your business. And, uh, Was lucky enough to be

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Speaker 1: able to sit down and talk with Joy Reed, who

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Speaker 1: is in the chair that's right over here. Joy Ann Reed,

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Speaker 1: if you're official, but Joy Reed, she goes by Joy.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that on the podcast. So we had

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Speaker 1: a great conversation. And because this is a special midterm

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Speaker 1: edition of the podcast, we have a second guest, which

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Speaker 1: is Florida Senate candidate Angie Nixon. She was, of course,

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Speaker 1: as you understand, running, trying to get things done, making

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Speaker 1: things happen. But she took a pause from her very

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Speaker 1: busy schedule yesterday. to talk to me, recording it at somewhere,

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Speaker 1: that interview. It's not a full interview. Maybe she'll come

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Speaker 1: back after she wins the Florida Senate race, but it's

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Speaker 1: a great interview. So you got a two-for-episode in the

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Speaker 1: Who Knows Best Midterm Spectacular Spectacular. So nice they named

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Speaker 1: it twice. It's Joy Reid, the journalist, and Angie Nixon,

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Speaker 1: the Senate candidate from Florida. So welcome. It's a lot. But,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's America, so there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: As always, this podcast is a spinoff of my Substack,

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Speaker 1: also known as Who's With Me. So you can follow

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Speaker 1: me on the Who's With Me Substack where you can

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Speaker 1: stay in touch with me about everything that's going on. Also,

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Speaker 1: you can join this podcast who's with me. And also today,

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Speaker 1: it's officially the publishing day of my book. Actually, it

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Speaker 1: was yesterday, but you know what I'm saying. When I'm

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Speaker 1: taping this, it'll be yesterday. It's my book, my children's book, Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese,

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Speaker 1: is available at your better bookstores right now. I would

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Speaker 1: But if you've got a local bookstore that has it,

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Speaker 1: would suggest bookshop.org that supports independent bookstores. Yeah, so Rock, Paper, Scissors,

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Speaker 1: She's is finally out. I'm so excited. It, again, stars

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Speaker 1: my family and our dog and my, and I was

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Speaker 1: have a big monologue because today is the midterm spectacular,

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Speaker 1: We had this great conversation with Joy Reid where we

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Speaker 2: When I tell you, if she tells me to do something,

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Speaker 1: Certainly you should. That's right. So welcome to Who's With Me.

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Speaker 2: be an amazing world.

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Speaker 1: That would be amazing for that region and amazing for

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

427
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Speaker 1: The other thing I want to give you your flowers for,

428
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Speaker 1: and I think it's always important to do this, for

429
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Speaker 1: being a Black woman out loud in public on the internet.

430
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Speaker 1: Because that is not an easy thing that I have

431
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Speaker 1: observed over the years.

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Speaker 2: It is not. Because you have these layers. And I'm

433
00:19:57,854 --> 00:20:00,034
Speaker 2: never sure whether it's the woman part that people attack

434
00:20:00,074 --> 00:20:02,084
Speaker 2: you more for or the black part. But it's kind

435
00:20:02,124 --> 00:20:03,004
Speaker 2: of equal opportunity.

436
00:20:03,064 --> 00:20:05,244
Speaker 1: I think it's called misogynoir. Misogynoir, yeah.

437
00:20:05,504 --> 00:20:07,574
Speaker 2: And people feel like they can say anything to you.

438
00:20:08,234 --> 00:20:09,554
Speaker 2: And I'm sure they do that with you, too.

439
00:20:09,754 --> 00:20:11,914
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just know that there's... Because it's not gendered

440
00:20:11,934 --> 00:20:12,674
Speaker 1: in the same way.

441
00:20:12,694 --> 00:20:13,114
Speaker 3: Right, right.

442
00:20:13,154 --> 00:20:14,714
Speaker 1: So they will say... We'll get a lot of the

443
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Speaker 1: same things, but then there's a gender thing that happens

444
00:20:16,794 --> 00:20:18,374
Speaker 1: where it's like, they're not going to say that. They're

445
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Speaker 1: not going to talk about my body that way. Right.

446
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Speaker 2: And I think about it even in the politics of it.

447
00:20:22,784 --> 00:20:22,984
Speaker 3: Like.

448
00:20:23,534 --> 00:20:27,794
Speaker 2: When Kamala Harris ran, I don't know whether the sexism

449
00:20:27,854 --> 00:20:30,714
Speaker 2: and misogyny was more egregious or the racism because they

450
00:20:30,734 --> 00:20:33,834
Speaker 2: were sort of battling each other for dominance. But the

451
00:20:33,934 --> 00:20:37,394
Speaker 2: way that she was denigrated, even her rise through politics,

452
00:20:37,674 --> 00:20:41,894
Speaker 2: which was all based on being elected by millions, the

453
00:20:42,014 --> 00:20:46,574
Speaker 2: largest state in the union, the hardest place to win statewide,

454
00:20:46,574 --> 00:20:50,644
Speaker 2: 39 million people, the equivalent of Canada. And for her

455
00:20:50,764 --> 00:20:53,064
Speaker 2: to get elected in the equivalent of Canada, meaning she

456
00:20:53,104 --> 00:20:56,283
Speaker 2: became prime minister like four times, for them to say, oh,

457
00:20:56,664 --> 00:20:58,684
Speaker 2: she slept her way to the top. And for black

458
00:20:58,724 --> 00:21:02,854
Speaker 2: people to say it and to just degrade her accomplishments

459
00:21:02,934 --> 00:21:05,214
Speaker 2: and these achievements that not one of those people could

460
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Speaker 2: have done. Not one of them becoming a lawyer, an attorney,

461
00:21:09,234 --> 00:21:12,114
Speaker 2: a Howard University graduate, first Howard University graduate to be

462
00:21:12,154 --> 00:21:16,034
Speaker 2: vice president of the United States, first woman president. you know, everything, right?

463
00:21:16,074 --> 00:21:19,474
Speaker 2: First woman DA, first woman attorney general, first woman black

464
00:21:19,554 --> 00:21:22,553
Speaker 2: senator from California. You could go on and just have

465
00:21:22,594 --> 00:21:25,814
Speaker 2: that washed away. So now sometimes I'm like, between that

466
00:21:25,834 --> 00:21:29,293
Speaker 2: and Hillary, do like Americans hate women more than, but

467
00:21:29,354 --> 00:21:30,754
Speaker 2: I just, I can't tell which it is.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's funny to have this discussion again. Like,

469
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Speaker 1: I think the election of Barack Obama and the not

470
00:21:37,044 --> 00:21:41,764
Speaker 1: election of Hillary proves that maybe man supersedes race. It

471
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Speaker 1: kind of feels like But again, we're looking at Obama.

472
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Speaker 1: He's black, but he's also mixed and light-skinned.

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

474
00:21:48,694 --> 00:21:51,844
Speaker 1: And I have mixed skin, so that dilutes. Right. Like,

475
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Speaker 1: it's not the same. It wasn't like.

476
00:21:54,434 --> 00:21:56,514
Speaker 2: It's like your kids could be president more than you.

477
00:21:56,634 --> 00:21:59,734
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't Sterling K. Brown running for president. Which,

478
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Speaker 1: by the way, we could have a fine president. So Sterling,

479
00:22:03,234 --> 00:22:07,094
Speaker 1: we're recruiting you. It's not a dark-skinned black man running

480
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Speaker 1: for president.

481
00:22:07,914 --> 00:22:10,734
Speaker 2: Not that Obama is not fine. I apologize. They're all fine.

482
00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:12,194
Speaker 2: All are good-looking.

483
00:22:12,254 --> 00:22:15,734
Speaker 1: I think he's gotten enough copy. Yeah, definitely best-looking president

484
00:22:15,754 --> 00:22:18,464
Speaker 1: in our country. Definitely. History. Probably top 10 on the

485
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Speaker 1: planet of world leaders. But please clip this and send

486
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Speaker 1: it to Obama.

487
00:22:24,014 --> 00:22:28,814
Speaker 2: And also say to Michelle, we respect your sovereignty.

488
00:22:28,834 --> 00:22:30,554
Speaker 1: Forever first lady.

489
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Speaker 2: I'm not hitting on President Obama, just to be clear.

490
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Speaker 1: But back to there. Yeah, so I remember it sort

491
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Speaker 1: of made sense that when Obama won and hit two

492
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Speaker 1: terms that like, oh, the country's not ready for a woman.

493
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Speaker 1: But then also the Hillary of it is like, She's

494
00:22:44,154 --> 00:22:47,554
Speaker 1: not a random white lady. There's the Clinton part of it.

495
00:22:48,534 --> 00:22:50,844
Speaker 1: So I think the math equation is still, we still

496
00:22:50,884 --> 00:22:55,794
Speaker 1: need some high-level mathematicians to figure out what the equation is.

497
00:22:55,844 --> 00:22:57,604
Speaker 2: Or like AOC to run and just run that experiment.

498
00:22:58,024 --> 00:22:59,944
Speaker 1: Well, and I think we're about to see some experiments

499
00:23:00,004 --> 00:23:03,254
Speaker 1: run because I think, first of all, okay, so when

500
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Speaker 1: you start talking about Kamala, if you were in Kamala's

501
00:23:06,754 --> 00:23:08,604
Speaker 1: corner right now, I saw a woman the other day

502
00:23:08,624 --> 00:23:11,284
Speaker 1: wearing a Kamala 2028 shirt that clearly was not made

503
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Speaker 1: by Kamala. It was clearly like, you know, it's Oakland,

504
00:23:13,704 --> 00:23:15,224
Speaker 1: so we make our own t-shirts when we want to.

505
00:23:16,984 --> 00:23:18,964
Speaker 1: What do you tell her about 2028?

506
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Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, I feel like Black women,

507
00:23:23,024 --> 00:23:24,464
Speaker 2: and I'm going to speak for all Black women now.

508
00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:25,374
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.

509
00:23:25,654 --> 00:23:27,314
Speaker 2: Pardon me while I speak for at least 92% of

510
00:23:27,334 --> 00:23:31,274
Speaker 2: Black women. That experience of the joy and the highs

511
00:23:31,374 --> 00:23:36,174
Speaker 2: of Kamala's campaign, her 107-day campaign, and the punch in

512
00:23:36,194 --> 00:23:38,674
Speaker 2: the face of the loss of And not just the

513
00:23:38,734 --> 00:23:41,834
Speaker 2: loss of a campaign, but to that guy, to the

514
00:23:41,894 --> 00:23:45,404
Speaker 2: guy who let a million people die during COVID. To

515
00:23:45,474 --> 00:23:45,914
Speaker 2: a guy who.

516
00:23:45,844 --> 00:23:48,204
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be allowed to run for president because he was

517
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Speaker 1: twice impeached.

518
00:23:49,024 --> 00:23:49,924
Speaker 2: He is a felon.

519
00:23:50,024 --> 00:23:54,444
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the impeachment I learned is a fake thing. Apparently,

520
00:23:54,464 --> 00:23:55,984
Speaker 1: not real. Not real.

521
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Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that he is a felon and

522
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Speaker 2: she's a prosecutor, the fact that he is a sex pest.

523
00:24:01,784 --> 00:24:01,924
Speaker 3: Yes.

524
00:24:02,234 --> 00:24:04,334
Speaker 2: Alleged to be even worse than a pest.

525
00:24:04,534 --> 00:24:07,034
Speaker 1: An adjudicated rapist. Right.

526
00:24:07,674 --> 00:24:10,194
Speaker 2: He sexually abused E. Jean Carroll and a jury of

527
00:24:10,234 --> 00:24:12,694
Speaker 2: his peers found that that happened. And she was a

528
00:24:12,774 --> 00:24:16,174
Speaker 2: sex crimes prosecutor. That, you know, he's a liar and

529
00:24:16,194 --> 00:24:18,904
Speaker 2: a failure in business. In every way a failure as president.

530
00:24:18,944 --> 00:24:19,954
Speaker 1: And an open-faced grifter.

531
00:24:20,294 --> 00:24:24,864
Speaker 2: An open-faced grifter. And to losing to that. And so

532
00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:27,614
Speaker 2: I think for black women... I don't know how many

533
00:24:27,654 --> 00:24:29,914
Speaker 2: Black women are ready for the trauma of reliving that.

534
00:24:30,214 --> 00:24:33,114
Speaker 2: And I feel like that would be traumatic. And then

535
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Speaker 2: I think the primary would be traumatic because she's not

536
00:24:35,594 --> 00:24:37,904
Speaker 2: going to get an open door to it. There's going

537
00:24:37,924 --> 00:24:39,744
Speaker 2: to be a massive primary in 2028.

538
00:24:39,744 --> 00:24:39,964
Speaker 3: Yeah.

539
00:24:40,764 --> 00:24:44,023
Speaker 1: Because it may be, in some ways it feels like

540
00:24:44,604 --> 00:24:48,104
Speaker 1: getting Trump out of office is actually what that election

541
00:24:48,124 --> 00:24:51,284
Speaker 1: is going to be about. Like making sure that he leaves. Leaves.

542
00:24:51,384 --> 00:24:53,614
Speaker 2: But then the other piece is, We don't know we're

543
00:24:53,634 --> 00:24:54,964
Speaker 2: going to have a free and fair election in 2028.

544
00:24:54,954 --> 00:24:56,654
Speaker 1: We don't know if we're going to have a free

545
00:24:56,674 --> 00:25:00,574
Speaker 1: and fair election when this airs. Exactly. On November 3rd.

546
00:25:00,834 --> 00:25:02,934
Speaker 2: The thing is, there's a lot of supposition going into

547
00:25:02,934 --> 00:25:05,884
Speaker 2: 2028 that's real kind of arrogant of us to assume

548
00:25:05,904 --> 00:25:09,344
Speaker 2: we're going to have a country that's a democracy by 2028.

549
00:25:09,344 --> 00:25:11,964
Speaker 2: So all the speculation to me is so premature because

550
00:25:12,284 --> 00:25:14,364
Speaker 2: we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know

551
00:25:14,564 --> 00:25:16,604
Speaker 2: what the conditions are going to be. Or even if

552
00:25:16,624 --> 00:25:18,404
Speaker 2: we're going to be in a low-key civil war by then,

553
00:25:18,664 --> 00:25:20,584
Speaker 2: we could have the military on our streets by then

554
00:25:20,604 --> 00:25:24,404
Speaker 2: and martial law. So I can't even speculate about not

555
00:25:24,464 --> 00:25:28,394
Speaker 2: just Kamala Harris, but anybody. It feels so ephemeral. And

556
00:25:28,444 --> 00:25:31,554
Speaker 2: also just talking about it brings me back to that

557
00:25:31,614 --> 00:25:35,074
Speaker 2: place where we were on that November night. And so

558
00:25:35,114 --> 00:25:37,154
Speaker 2: it's like, I feel like it's too soon to go there.

559
00:25:37,614 --> 00:25:39,814
Speaker 2: But I think she's a brilliant person. I think she

560
00:25:39,834 --> 00:25:43,294
Speaker 2: made a tremendous, I mean, my biggest, my only critique,

561
00:25:43,314 --> 00:25:44,674
Speaker 2: and I said this to her, it's nothing I haven't

562
00:25:44,714 --> 00:25:49,234
Speaker 2: said to her chief of staff, is that the Gaza

563
00:25:49,274 --> 00:25:51,994
Speaker 2: piece of it, Not just her, but the fact that

564
00:25:52,014 --> 00:25:56,054
Speaker 2: she carried that burden of an awful Israel-Gaza policy from

565
00:25:56,074 --> 00:26:00,394
Speaker 2: the Biden administration that was indefensible. It just is indefensible

566
00:26:00,454 --> 00:26:02,914
Speaker 2: for what Biden, his policies on Gaza.

567
00:26:02,954 --> 00:26:04,874
Speaker 1: For all of his, I'm a religious man, a man

568
00:26:04,914 --> 00:26:06,513
Speaker 1: of faith. Indefensible. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

569
00:26:06,774 --> 00:26:09,204
Speaker 2: And so the fact that she couldn't push away from

570
00:26:09,264 --> 00:26:12,104
Speaker 2: that is still dogging her. She goes on the campaign trail.

571
00:26:12,264 --> 00:26:14,684
Speaker 1: I've seen it. And, you know, and she's from the

572
00:26:14,724 --> 00:26:18,104
Speaker 1: Bay Area. It's funny. During the... The Bay Area is

573
00:26:18,124 --> 00:26:22,534
Speaker 1: very sensitive. During the... like the DNC when they ran

574
00:26:22,584 --> 00:26:24,984
Speaker 1: her like sizzle reel. It was, they said, like, I

575
00:26:25,004 --> 00:26:26,984
Speaker 1: think Morgan Freeman did the voice. He's like from the

576
00:26:27,124 --> 00:26:29,884
Speaker 1: East Bay of California, which nobody out there really calls

577
00:26:29,944 --> 00:26:31,944
Speaker 1: it the East Bay of California. But it was, they were,

578
00:26:32,224 --> 00:26:34,184
Speaker 1: I talked about on stage. I was like somewhere in

579
00:26:34,224 --> 00:26:36,704
Speaker 1: Kamala's camp, there was a discussion. Do we want to

580
00:26:36,724 --> 00:26:41,584
Speaker 1: say she's from Berkeley or Oakland? It's a big deal.

581
00:26:41,644 --> 00:26:44,144
Speaker 1: And they ended up saying she was from Berkeley. And it's,

582
00:26:44,244 --> 00:26:46,464
Speaker 1: you know, out there you go back and forth. But really,

583
00:26:46,644 --> 00:26:48,044
Speaker 1: people think she's from Oakland out there.

584
00:26:48,164 --> 00:26:48,404
Speaker 2: Yeah.

585
00:26:48,444 --> 00:26:50,104
Speaker 1: But it was like they had test marketed Oakland. It

586
00:26:50,124 --> 00:26:52,244
Speaker 1: was like, it's better if she sounds like a socialist

587
00:26:52,264 --> 00:26:55,134
Speaker 1: than a Black Panther. That's crazy. Yeah, no.

588
00:26:55,174 --> 00:26:55,614
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

589
00:26:55,744 --> 00:26:55,964
Speaker 3: Yeah.

590
00:26:56,024 --> 00:26:58,434
Speaker 1: So just that whole thing, seeing it from the Bay

591
00:26:58,454 --> 00:27:00,994
Speaker 1: Area perspective of like, you know, the Bay Area and

592
00:27:01,014 --> 00:27:03,914
Speaker 1: specifically Oakland activists and Berkeley activists is the home of

593
00:27:03,954 --> 00:27:09,644
Speaker 1: a lot of like Palestinian solidarity. Yeah. And AROC is

594
00:27:09,694 --> 00:27:12,344
Speaker 1: out there, an organization. So it's like to see that

595
00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:15,124
Speaker 1: they were on, they were standing on, sort of like

596
00:27:15,144 --> 00:27:16,584
Speaker 1: you have to pay attention to this too. That was,

597
00:27:17,044 --> 00:27:19,384
Speaker 1: it was a lot. It's a lot. Meanwhile, I have

598
00:27:19,404 --> 00:27:22,124
Speaker 1: these kids, these black girls I'm raising who are like, yay,

599
00:27:22,144 --> 00:27:26,864
Speaker 1: a black woman president. And you're just like, and then

600
00:27:26,904 --> 00:27:29,364
Speaker 1: it's not, it's Trump. It's a lot. So I have

601
00:27:29,404 --> 00:27:31,484
Speaker 1: some spontaneous flowers to give you because you just said

602
00:27:31,504 --> 00:27:33,634
Speaker 1: something I think is very important. I really appreciate you

603
00:27:33,674 --> 00:27:36,014
Speaker 1: now in this moment making it clear that you don't

604
00:27:36,074 --> 00:27:38,154
Speaker 1: know that we're going to have a democracy today. in

605
00:27:38,184 --> 00:27:40,174
Speaker 1: a few years or even in a couple of weeks,

606
00:27:40,194 --> 00:27:42,013
Speaker 1: who knows? And I think so many people in the

607
00:27:42,074 --> 00:27:45,274
Speaker 1: media get caught up in like, well, in 2028, we'll

608
00:27:45,294 --> 00:27:47,594
Speaker 1: have an election or Trump's poll numbers are really low.

609
00:27:47,634 --> 00:27:49,414
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, he's building a bunker, right? On

610
00:27:49,434 --> 00:27:52,494
Speaker 1: the White House lawn. Like he's building, he's told us

611
00:27:52,534 --> 00:27:55,434
Speaker 1: it's a bunker. He's loading it with weapons. So I

612
00:27:55,454 --> 00:27:58,494
Speaker 1: don't like the inevitability of when media talks about the

613
00:27:58,574 --> 00:28:02,134
Speaker 1: presidential election, who's in the front lead for JD Vance.

614
00:28:02,194 --> 00:28:04,654
Speaker 1: It's like, J.D. Vance is probably somewhere going, I don't

615
00:28:04,674 --> 00:28:06,434
Speaker 1: know that he's going to let me take over.

616
00:28:06,894 --> 00:28:08,734
Speaker 2: He didn't endorse him. He recently had an opportunity to

617
00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:11,354
Speaker 2: endorse him. I think this was within a week of today,

618
00:28:11,474 --> 00:28:14,954
Speaker 2: and he didn't. I mean, the reality is I had

619
00:28:14,974 --> 00:28:16,774
Speaker 2: to step out of mainstream media. I've been in mainstream

620
00:28:16,814 --> 00:28:18,914
Speaker 2: media most of my life. I worked for Radio 1.

621
00:28:18,914 --> 00:28:20,394
Speaker 2: I did radio, talked radio for a while.

622
00:28:21,114 --> 00:28:23,004
Speaker 1: In Florida. In Florida. I learned that about you.

623
00:28:23,014 --> 00:28:26,454
Speaker 2: I had News Talk 1080, WTPS. I was in small

624
00:28:26,494 --> 00:28:29,204
Speaker 2: market radio and have done some other things. But the

625
00:28:29,244 --> 00:28:33,574
Speaker 2: reality is the media writ large- approaches politics the way

626
00:28:33,594 --> 00:28:37,114
Speaker 2: it approaches sports. And I think it comes from local news, traffic,

627
00:28:37,134 --> 00:28:40,814
Speaker 2: weather together. You know, local news is local news, headlines

628
00:28:40,834 --> 00:28:44,084
Speaker 2: about crime and sports and weather. And that's really what,

629
00:28:44,124 --> 00:28:45,784
Speaker 2: and then everything is a filling in between. And that's

630
00:28:45,804 --> 00:28:47,664
Speaker 2: not to diss local news. It's just what it is.

631
00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:48,304
Speaker 3: Right.

632
00:28:48,324 --> 00:28:51,544
Speaker 2: And so I think most people who cover politics in

633
00:28:51,564 --> 00:28:53,784
Speaker 2: the media, it's like they worked on campaigns. I did,

634
00:28:53,804 --> 00:28:56,004
Speaker 2: but not most people did. So they kind of cover

635
00:28:56,044 --> 00:28:58,074
Speaker 2: it very similar to the way they look at sports.

636
00:28:58,094 --> 00:28:58,414
Speaker 1: Who's up?

637
00:28:58,434 --> 00:29:00,534
Speaker 2: Who's down? What are the poll numbers and who's going

638
00:29:00,554 --> 00:29:03,114
Speaker 2: to run? And And it's all covered with such normality

639
00:29:03,474 --> 00:29:06,594
Speaker 2: that I think there's a presumption in those C-suites that

640
00:29:06,614 --> 00:29:08,834
Speaker 2: there will be a democracy, that America will go on.

641
00:29:08,874 --> 00:29:11,154
Speaker 2: It's mostly white men that run it. So they presume

642
00:29:11,194 --> 00:29:13,454
Speaker 2: this country will go on as it always has because

643
00:29:13,494 --> 00:29:15,594
Speaker 2: it's always gone on the same way for them. But

644
00:29:15,634 --> 00:29:18,254
Speaker 2: we who are black have had very wrenching changes in

645
00:29:18,274 --> 00:29:20,724
Speaker 2: the way America has gone. So we understand it can

646
00:29:20,764 --> 00:29:22,024
Speaker 2: go left, it can go right, it can go a

647
00:29:22,064 --> 00:29:25,024
Speaker 2: whole different way and go wrong. And also I think

648
00:29:25,064 --> 00:29:27,404
Speaker 2: those of us who come from an immigrant background are

649
00:29:27,444 --> 00:29:29,064
Speaker 2: like even more immediate. Hey, it could go wrong like

650
00:29:29,124 --> 00:29:33,414
Speaker 2: tomorrow and collapse. And so I don't approach America as

651
00:29:33,454 --> 00:29:36,644
Speaker 2: an inevitability. I don't approach democracy as an inevitability. And

652
00:29:36,684 --> 00:29:38,944
Speaker 2: I think it's a huge mistake for the media to

653
00:29:38,984 --> 00:29:42,064
Speaker 2: kind of anesthetize the public by presuming things that they

654
00:29:42,084 --> 00:29:43,784
Speaker 2: have no evidence for. They have no evidence we're going

655
00:29:43,804 --> 00:29:44,464
Speaker 2: to be a democracy.

656
00:29:44,524 --> 00:29:47,234
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't approach America as an inevitability.

657
00:29:47,254 --> 00:29:48,634
Speaker 1: Is that a bar? Is that a new one? It's

658
00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:50,764
Speaker 1: a bar. That's a good one. That's a good one.

659
00:29:51,184 --> 00:29:52,884
Speaker 2: Might be a bar.

660
00:29:52,964 --> 00:29:54,124
Speaker 1: Maybe on a Joy Reid sweatshirt.

661
00:29:54,144 --> 00:29:55,324
Speaker 2: I should put it on some merch.

662
00:29:55,384 --> 00:29:58,364
Speaker 1: I don't approach America as an inevitability, which I feel

663
00:29:58,404 --> 00:29:59,904
Speaker 1: that way. I just didn't put it into those succinct

664
00:29:59,944 --> 00:30:03,424
Speaker 1: words because I think that we also forget to the

665
00:30:03,464 --> 00:30:06,114
Speaker 1: rest of the world, we are we may not even

666
00:30:06,134 --> 00:30:08,394
Speaker 1: be a country yet. We're still like, we're not even,

667
00:30:08,414 --> 00:30:10,234
Speaker 1: we're not old enough to, you're not old enough to

668
00:30:10,254 --> 00:30:11,894
Speaker 1: decide if you're a country. It's like, it's like talking

669
00:30:11,914 --> 00:30:13,714
Speaker 1: to a teenager. You're not an adult. Like, how are

670
00:30:13,734 --> 00:30:14,334
Speaker 1: you talking about?

671
00:30:15,054 --> 00:30:17,674
Speaker 2: I love hearing people from China talk about America. They're like, oh,

672
00:30:18,234 --> 00:30:20,564
Speaker 2: you think you're going to come up against 5,000 year

673
00:30:20,624 --> 00:30:21,164
Speaker 2: old Chinese empire?

674
00:30:21,244 --> 00:30:21,544
Speaker 3: Or Iran.

675
00:30:21,564 --> 00:30:28,204
Speaker 2: Iran is like, Bitch, we're the Persian Empire. Are you crazy?

676
00:30:28,224 --> 00:30:29,584
Speaker 2: You think you can make a little war on us?

677
00:30:29,604 --> 00:30:30,924
Speaker 2: You think we're not going to close the Strait of

678
00:30:30,964 --> 00:30:36,474
Speaker 2: Hormuz permanently? We're the Persian Empire. So we're just a baby.

679
00:30:36,494 --> 00:30:39,014
Speaker 2: We're 250 years, and we don't even know. There used

680
00:30:39,034 --> 00:30:41,894
Speaker 2: to be one Dakota, and then there were two. There

681
00:30:41,914 --> 00:30:44,154
Speaker 2: were two, you know? So it's like, if the Dakotas

682
00:30:44,194 --> 00:30:44,954
Speaker 2: can split, you know?

683
00:30:45,194 --> 00:30:47,974
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Mexico still feels like this country. Most

684
00:30:48,014 --> 00:30:49,804
Speaker 1: of it is still, you know, that California part. I

685
00:30:49,824 --> 00:30:52,464
Speaker 1: think that's ours, you know? I know you renamed it,

686
00:30:52,484 --> 00:30:54,194
Speaker 1: but we have... We might get it back someday.

687
00:30:54,234 --> 00:30:57,824
Speaker 2: But y'all, we light renamed it Colorado, California. You know,

688
00:30:57,844 --> 00:31:01,384
Speaker 2: New Mexico. It's like, you kind of lightly renamed some shit.

689
00:31:01,604 --> 00:31:04,284
Speaker 1: It was so funny when Schwarzenegger was running for governor,

690
00:31:04,464 --> 00:31:06,704
Speaker 1: people would make fun of how he said California. And

691
00:31:06,744 --> 00:31:08,944
Speaker 1: then people were like, that's actually closer to how it's pronounced.

692
00:31:08,984 --> 00:31:13,324
Speaker 1: That's actually closer to the actual language. It is.

693
00:31:13,524 --> 00:31:13,664
Speaker 3: Yeah.

694
00:31:14,484 --> 00:31:15,924
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to give you flowers for,

695
00:31:16,004 --> 00:31:17,854
Speaker 1: and this is the area that gets sort of like,

696
00:31:17,964 --> 00:31:20,354
Speaker 1: I talked to Don about this, and he was like, well,

697
00:31:20,394 --> 00:31:21,774
Speaker 1: I never see you really get in trouble. I was like,

698
00:31:21,794 --> 00:31:23,794
Speaker 1: because I'm super sensitive and scared of people yelling at me.

699
00:31:24,374 --> 00:31:27,834
Speaker 1: But you, there's been times in your career where controversies

700
00:31:27,874 --> 00:31:30,424
Speaker 1: either come your way, either because they dug up some

701
00:31:30,474 --> 00:31:32,944
Speaker 1: old things you had to address, or there was the

702
00:31:33,264 --> 00:31:35,584
Speaker 1: thing you said where people were like, that's Islamophobic, and

703
00:31:35,604 --> 00:31:38,784
Speaker 1: you were like, that's not Islamophobic, and you don't strike

704
00:31:38,804 --> 00:31:40,844
Speaker 1: me as a person who wants to be regarded as Islamophobic.

705
00:31:40,864 --> 00:31:44,884
Speaker 1: And then... Recently, I saw that right when I booked you,

706
00:31:45,204 --> 00:31:47,824
Speaker 1: it was the middle of your friend, Rua.

707
00:31:48,704 --> 00:31:50,604
Speaker 2: Lord have mercy.

708
00:31:50,624 --> 00:31:50,964
Speaker 1: Yes.

709
00:31:51,324 --> 00:31:51,864
Speaker 2: Ruligate.

710
00:31:52,124 --> 00:31:52,404
Speaker 3: Yeah.

711
00:31:52,444 --> 00:31:55,074
Speaker 1: Where she, I mean, it was, I saw the clip

712
00:31:55,114 --> 00:31:56,354
Speaker 1: and I was like, I felt like as soon as

713
00:31:56,374 --> 00:31:58,854
Speaker 1: she started talking, she was like, stop talking. Like in

714
00:31:58,874 --> 00:31:59,674
Speaker 1: her head. In her mind.

715
00:31:59,754 --> 00:31:59,914
Speaker 3: Yeah.

716
00:31:59,934 --> 00:32:01,954
Speaker 1: Like, but she didn't. And I've been there before. You're like,

717
00:32:01,994 --> 00:32:03,434
Speaker 1: what am I saying? Why am I saying this?

718
00:32:03,454 --> 00:32:04,534
Speaker 2: Why is this coming out of my mouth?

719
00:32:04,814 --> 00:32:06,774
Speaker 1: Yeah. Where she said, she used the word monkey to

720
00:32:06,814 --> 00:32:07,714
Speaker 1: talk about, uh.

721
00:32:08,624 --> 00:32:12,254
Speaker 2: Uh, And Aaron Boy to talk about Hakeem Jeffries.

722
00:32:12,274 --> 00:32:14,794
Speaker 1: Hakeem Jeffries, which is just like, whatever you think about

723
00:32:14,814 --> 00:32:17,574
Speaker 1: Hakeem Jeffries, that's not how we do it. I learned

724
00:32:17,594 --> 00:32:20,534
Speaker 1: years ago, no Black person should really call anybody an

725
00:32:20,594 --> 00:32:24,274
Speaker 1: Uncle Tom or anything. You can describe their behavior, but

726
00:32:24,334 --> 00:32:26,894
Speaker 1: once you go there, you sort of lose. Is there

727
00:32:26,914 --> 00:32:27,634
Speaker 1: a clearance.

728
00:32:27,354 --> 00:32:28,934
Speaker 2: Exception to this? I just want to make sure that

729
00:32:28,954 --> 00:32:29,794
Speaker 2: we understand the rules.

730
00:32:30,014 --> 00:32:31,634
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this knowing that certain ports of

731
00:32:31,654 --> 00:32:34,874
Speaker 1: the internet are going to be like, I describe myself,

732
00:32:34,914 --> 00:32:39,104
Speaker 1: Black dude, went to went to predominantly private schools, have

733
00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:41,424
Speaker 1: a Netflix special named Private School Negro. You can stream

734
00:32:41,464 --> 00:32:44,084
Speaker 1: it now. It's old, but the jokes were about Trump

735
00:32:44,104 --> 00:32:47,504
Speaker 1: being president, so it still works. Married to a white woman,

736
00:32:48,544 --> 00:32:51,164
Speaker 1: raising black mixed race kids. I know I'm not, I

737
00:32:51,164 --> 00:32:53,804
Speaker 1: can't be the spokesperson for blackness.

738
00:32:53,924 --> 00:32:54,844
Speaker 2: Right, that's fair.

739
00:32:54,944 --> 00:32:56,664
Speaker 1: In the same way, no, but yeah, but in the

740
00:32:56,704 --> 00:32:59,864
Speaker 1: same way, I'll say this, that like, this is a good,

741
00:32:59,944 --> 00:33:02,984
Speaker 1: that if you're a black man, married to a black woman.

742
00:33:03,004 --> 00:33:03,464
Speaker 2: Like D.L.

743
00:33:03,504 --> 00:33:03,684
Speaker 3: Hughley.

744
00:33:03,724 --> 00:33:07,884
Speaker 1: Black, yeah, they're, Perfect. Absolutely perfect. That DL can get

745
00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:10,244
Speaker 1: away with some things that I cannot get away with.

746
00:33:10,344 --> 00:33:12,484
Speaker 1: And I accept that. And I get away with other

747
00:33:12,504 --> 00:33:15,284
Speaker 1: things that maybe he can't get away with. But DL

748
00:33:15,384 --> 00:33:17,124
Speaker 1: is a great example. Even though, let me be clear,

749
00:33:17,384 --> 00:33:20,264
Speaker 1: not comparing myself to DL. We're just both black comedians

750
00:33:20,304 --> 00:33:25,934
Speaker 1: in the world who have some political opinions. DL is great.

751
00:33:26,114 --> 00:33:28,914
Speaker 1: So I know that if I call him the black

752
00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:31,014
Speaker 1: guy who's married to a white woman, call somebody an

753
00:33:31,054 --> 00:33:32,784
Speaker 1: Uncle Tom. There's going to be some.

754
00:33:32,804 --> 00:33:33,864
Speaker 2: You won't catch that backlash.

755
00:33:33,904 --> 00:33:35,864
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I can't. So I'm not saying

756
00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:38,664
Speaker 1: other people can't. But I know that, like, that's not

757
00:33:38,724 --> 00:33:40,104
Speaker 1: really my. No, that's fair.

758
00:33:40,164 --> 00:33:41,704
Speaker 2: And look, as somebody that has.

759
00:33:41,884 --> 00:33:43,724
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I will criticize Claire Thomas all day.

760
00:33:43,744 --> 00:33:45,544
Speaker 2: All day long. No, I think that's fair. And I

761
00:33:45,584 --> 00:33:48,024
Speaker 2: think for me, I kind of have a similar bent

762
00:33:48,084 --> 00:33:50,004
Speaker 2: in that, you know, my parents are not from here.

763
00:33:50,284 --> 00:33:50,744
Speaker 1: There we go.

764
00:33:50,904 --> 00:33:53,704
Speaker 2: You know, my parents were from Congo and Guyana. So

765
00:33:53,724 --> 00:33:55,854
Speaker 2: I'm a first generation American. I grew up as an

766
00:33:55,964 --> 00:33:58,374
Speaker 2: African-American because. You know, the Caribbean people are like, oh,

767
00:33:58,394 --> 00:34:00,874
Speaker 2: you think you're Guyanese. You're not Guyanese. You're from here.

768
00:34:00,914 --> 00:34:02,834
Speaker 2: You're from Brooklyn. And so they keep you here.

769
00:34:02,894 --> 00:34:03,094
Speaker 1: Right.

770
00:34:03,114 --> 00:34:04,954
Speaker 2: And the Africans are like, yeah, you're really not African.

771
00:34:05,574 --> 00:34:07,544
Speaker 2: So there's a distance a little bit from the foreign

772
00:34:07,584 --> 00:34:10,623
Speaker 2: countries that I've never been to. And I was raised here,

773
00:34:10,643 --> 00:34:13,904
Speaker 2: but I also I'm super sensitive. to the ways in

774
00:34:13,944 --> 00:34:17,783
Speaker 2: which Caribbean American and African people sometimes relate to African Americans.

775
00:34:17,864 --> 00:34:19,783
Speaker 2: So I always walk the fine line of thinking you've

776
00:34:19,884 --> 00:34:22,363
Speaker 2: got to pay your due respect to African Americans. It

777
00:34:22,384 --> 00:34:23,424
Speaker 2: just has to be done.

778
00:34:24,143 --> 00:34:26,344
Speaker 1: But are you defining yourself as an African American?

779
00:34:26,504 --> 00:34:28,564
Speaker 2: I define myself as an African American, but I live

780
00:34:28,604 --> 00:34:31,324
Speaker 2: in all these worlds. I'm a pan-Africanist. So I actually

781
00:34:31,404 --> 00:34:33,984
Speaker 2: don't believe in the– I believe we're all African people.

782
00:34:34,004 --> 00:34:34,584
Speaker 1: The diaspora.

783
00:34:34,763 --> 00:34:38,044
Speaker 2: I'm a diaspora person, but I know that there are

784
00:34:38,084 --> 00:34:42,064
Speaker 2: some very unique experiences that African Americans have had. that

785
00:34:42,104 --> 00:34:44,804
Speaker 2: they've lived through, the Caribbean Americans have had a different

786
00:34:44,844 --> 00:34:47,903
Speaker 2: experience and the African people who've been colonized. We've all

787
00:34:47,944 --> 00:34:52,764
Speaker 2: had different experiences with Europeans messing with us in different ways,

788
00:34:53,044 --> 00:34:54,663
Speaker 2: but it's been different. And so I try to be

789
00:34:54,723 --> 00:34:57,223
Speaker 2: sensitive to that and not be too much. I can

790
00:34:57,263 --> 00:35:00,423
Speaker 2: speak for African-Americans really, right? I'm speaking from a point

791
00:35:00,464 --> 00:35:02,283
Speaker 2: of view of being a part of the community, but

792
00:35:02,344 --> 00:35:04,763
Speaker 2: also in some ways, like a guest in the community too.

793
00:35:04,864 --> 00:35:06,144
Speaker 2: I feel like in some ways I'm both.

794
00:35:06,344 --> 00:35:10,163
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you're, I mean, this is all sort

795
00:35:10,223 --> 00:35:12,663
Speaker 1: of like, such a charge issue ring up. And again,

796
00:35:12,723 --> 00:35:15,413
Speaker 1: I think when people hear these things, there's just nuance

797
00:35:15,433 --> 00:35:17,593
Speaker 1: here that people don't always want to recognize. But I

798
00:35:17,614 --> 00:35:19,413
Speaker 1: think it's the same way that like, I'm trying to

799
00:35:19,433 --> 00:35:20,674
Speaker 1: be like, look, I know who I am and I

800
00:35:20,694 --> 00:35:22,163
Speaker 1: know where I come from and I know who I'm with.

801
00:35:22,223 --> 00:35:23,803
Speaker 1: And I get, I get what, I get how some

802
00:35:23,824 --> 00:35:27,044
Speaker 1: black folks may be like, that's why you can't do X, Y,

803
00:35:27,114 --> 00:35:29,144
Speaker 1: and Z. All right, fine. I won't do X, Y,

804
00:35:29,194 --> 00:35:30,433
Speaker 1: and Z. Or maybe I'll do it, but I'm not

805
00:35:30,453 --> 00:35:32,153
Speaker 1: going to talk about it. You know what I mean?

806
00:35:32,214 --> 00:35:34,613
Speaker 2: Or you can do it because you have a right.

807
00:35:34,634 --> 00:35:38,033
Speaker 1: But I also understand why you're sensitive to it. I'm

808
00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:39,863
Speaker 1: not going to act like, no, no, I can do

809
00:35:39,884 --> 00:35:41,704
Speaker 1: whatever I want. That doesn't get us anywhere.

810
00:35:41,783 --> 00:35:43,744
Speaker 2: Doesn't get us anywhere. And I don't love the policing

811
00:35:43,803 --> 00:35:47,343
Speaker 2: of blackness. It bothers me. But I also feel like

812
00:35:47,364 --> 00:35:49,123
Speaker 2: I have to try to meet people where they are.

813
00:35:49,524 --> 00:35:52,123
Speaker 2: And where people are coming from comes from somewhere. And

814
00:35:52,143 --> 00:35:53,564
Speaker 2: I think when it comes to black folks, there's been

815
00:35:53,584 --> 00:35:56,544
Speaker 2: so much pain in the experience of being in this world,

816
00:35:56,584 --> 00:35:58,393
Speaker 2: particularly being in a world where we're 13 percent of

817
00:35:58,413 --> 00:36:01,954
Speaker 2: the population and just hating on through every era.

818
00:36:01,973 --> 00:36:02,493
Speaker 1: Yeah.

819
00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:04,774
Speaker 2: And hating on in a way that it doesn't make sense.

820
00:36:04,854 --> 00:36:04,953
Speaker 3: Right.

821
00:36:04,993 --> 00:36:07,674
Speaker 1: And also promise things in every era that then promises

822
00:36:07,723 --> 00:36:08,534
Speaker 1: that are reneged on.

823
00:36:08,703 --> 00:36:11,004
Speaker 2: Correct. And so I totally hear what you're saying. But

824
00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:13,663
Speaker 2: for me, as far as like living in that space

825
00:36:13,723 --> 00:36:16,113
Speaker 2: and dealing with like controversy and everything like that. My

826
00:36:16,134 --> 00:36:18,653
Speaker 2: whole thing is I just have to be self-grounded, right?

827
00:36:18,933 --> 00:36:20,263
Speaker 2: You got to take the L's when you got to

828
00:36:20,283 --> 00:36:22,024
Speaker 2: take them. And sometimes you just have to take them.

829
00:36:22,864 --> 00:36:24,863
Speaker 2: And then the other times you can get the L's, right?

830
00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:27,964
Speaker 2: And somebody like a Clarence Thomas, I always say that,

831
00:36:28,024 --> 00:36:29,944
Speaker 2: first of all, I defend Uncle Tom. And I'm going

832
00:36:29,984 --> 00:36:31,643
Speaker 2: to say this right now. I would defend the character

833
00:36:31,663 --> 00:36:33,843
Speaker 2: of Uncle Tom in Uncle Tom's Cabin. Because he was

834
00:36:33,884 --> 00:36:34,993
Speaker 2: actually a hero in that book.

835
00:36:35,033 --> 00:36:36,734
Speaker 1: No, that's one of the things that's gotten twisted.

836
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:39,993
Speaker 2: It's gotten twisted. And I hate the way that we

837
00:36:40,013 --> 00:36:43,723
Speaker 2: have been fooled into thinking. taking a hero from what

838
00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:46,283
Speaker 2: would have been a hero in our narrative and turning

839
00:36:46,303 --> 00:36:47,874
Speaker 2: him into a villain. What was he a villain for?

840
00:36:48,234 --> 00:36:52,294
Speaker 2: Defending Black women. And so we've now gotten ourselves, tricked

841
00:36:52,334 --> 00:36:56,393
Speaker 2: ourselves into hurling a slur at people that in some

842
00:36:56,413 --> 00:37:00,524
Speaker 2: ways is denigrating the protection of Black women. Whereas a

843
00:37:00,564 --> 00:37:06,623
Speaker 2: Clarence Thomas attacks Black people relentlessly, attacks our history, dare

844
00:37:06,683 --> 00:37:10,264
Speaker 2: to say that the Reconstruction Amendments weren't even about Black people,

845
00:37:10,524 --> 00:37:13,364
Speaker 2: that they were universal, that they were not about protecting

846
00:37:13,384 --> 00:37:16,824
Speaker 2: the formerly enslaved. He doesn't even accede to his own

847
00:37:16,904 --> 00:37:20,134
Speaker 2: history as somebody from Pinpoint, Georgia. He doesn't even embrace

848
00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:22,913
Speaker 2: the Blackness on his very skin. You know, the difference

849
00:37:22,953 --> 00:37:24,993
Speaker 2: between him and who he's married to and you who

850
00:37:25,013 --> 00:37:29,084
Speaker 2: you're married to, I feel like he essentially... is embarrassed

851
00:37:29,123 --> 00:37:32,423
Speaker 2: by who he is and wishes he looked like his wife.

852
00:37:33,203 --> 00:37:35,644
Speaker 2: You are married to who you're married to, and you're

853
00:37:35,663 --> 00:37:37,843
Speaker 2: still who you are with your big afro and still

854
00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:41,113
Speaker 2: your blackness intact. And so I'm like, keep your blackness intact.

855
00:37:41,134 --> 00:37:43,734
Speaker 2: That's all we ask. It's like, it's the minimum.

856
00:37:43,774 --> 00:37:43,993
Speaker 3: Yeah.

857
00:37:44,393 --> 00:37:47,073
Speaker 1: No, I just think, again, the internet has really sort

858
00:37:47,094 --> 00:37:50,993
Speaker 1: of given voice to communities that really want to make

859
00:37:51,033 --> 00:37:54,714
Speaker 1: sure that we understand that there are African Americans, which

860
00:37:54,774 --> 00:37:58,683
Speaker 1: I'm in the who can trace our lineage back to enslavement.

861
00:37:58,723 --> 00:38:02,893
Speaker 1: That's right. And then there's African-Americans like yourself who are

862
00:38:03,234 --> 00:38:04,174
Speaker 1: connected to immigration.

863
00:38:04,354 --> 00:38:04,573
Speaker 3: Right.

864
00:38:04,654 --> 00:38:05,493
Speaker 1: And so, yes, those experiences.

865
00:38:05,513 --> 00:38:07,073
Speaker 2: Well, and enslavement, because I got one half that had

866
00:38:07,094 --> 00:38:08,774
Speaker 2: enslavement and one half that did not.

867
00:38:08,794 --> 00:38:09,334
Speaker 1: So you're mixed.

868
00:38:10,154 --> 00:38:14,283
Speaker 2: The fun thing is I did my 23andMe, and I

869
00:38:14,303 --> 00:38:16,404
Speaker 2: will tell you, I am 100% unmixed African.

870
00:38:16,763 --> 00:38:18,183
Speaker 1: Ooh, that put you ahead of me.

871
00:38:18,384 --> 00:38:19,803
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

872
00:38:19,904 --> 00:38:22,743
Speaker 1: I did my, we did it for an ancestry thing.

873
00:38:23,074 --> 00:38:25,754
Speaker 1: And I was 72% black. And I was like, and

874
00:38:25,794 --> 00:38:28,473
Speaker 1: the average is 75. I'm like, man, so black people

875
00:38:28,493 --> 00:38:31,433
Speaker 1: are right. I'm really not black enough. I'm down 3%.

876
00:38:31,433 --> 00:38:35,493
Speaker 2: My husband, I think he was like in the 80s

877
00:38:35,553 --> 00:38:38,743
Speaker 2: or something. And I was like, see that? You see

878
00:38:38,783 --> 00:38:39,943
Speaker 2: how black I am versus you?

879
00:38:41,143 --> 00:38:42,883
Speaker 1: So I just said, like I said, I like you said,

880
00:38:42,904 --> 00:38:45,163
Speaker 1: sometimes you take the L, but also sometimes you give

881
00:38:45,203 --> 00:38:46,334
Speaker 1: the L. But if you've got to take the L,

882
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:47,623
Speaker 1: you've got to take the L. And I think that's

883
00:38:47,703 --> 00:38:49,544
Speaker 1: important to say that like, also, I have a lot of,

884
00:38:50,654 --> 00:38:53,254
Speaker 1: here's the last flowers. I mean, we're still in the

885
00:38:53,274 --> 00:38:55,613
Speaker 1: flower section. I have a lot of empathy for people

886
00:38:55,654 --> 00:38:59,274
Speaker 1: like you who talk every day live on microphones for

887
00:38:59,294 --> 00:39:04,134
Speaker 1: a living. Because it just means that like, at some point,

888
00:39:04,973 --> 00:39:08,363
Speaker 1: just by the percentages, something's going to, that you're not

889
00:39:08,384 --> 00:39:10,104
Speaker 1: going to have it all, that, you know, it's not

890
00:39:10,123 --> 00:39:11,424
Speaker 1: all going to be fully worked out and it's going

891
00:39:11,444 --> 00:39:14,443
Speaker 1: to come out and you're going to be like, you know,

892
00:39:14,884 --> 00:39:16,964
Speaker 1: but your job is to be on there. And I

893
00:39:16,964 --> 00:39:19,424
Speaker 1: don't think your average person understands how hard it is

894
00:39:19,893 --> 00:39:23,743
Speaker 1: to talk on mic every day, live into microphones. Not

895
00:39:23,824 --> 00:39:27,403
Speaker 1: edited into microphones. We're editing this. You're talking, especially now

896
00:39:27,444 --> 00:39:28,804
Speaker 1: on the internet, live into microphones.

897
00:39:28,824 --> 00:39:30,143
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I used to do the radio. I was

898
00:39:30,163 --> 00:39:32,623
Speaker 2: doing five days a week of morning radio. And then

899
00:39:32,683 --> 00:39:35,154
Speaker 2: I was doing, you know, I was at the Rio.

900
00:39:35,174 --> 00:39:36,834
Speaker 2: I'm writing every day. Like, the thing about it is

901
00:39:36,873 --> 00:39:39,053
Speaker 2: if you're doing a lot of content, you're going to

902
00:39:39,094 --> 00:39:41,013
Speaker 2: have F-ups. You're going to have F-ups.

903
00:39:41,134 --> 00:39:41,214
Speaker 3: Up.

904
00:39:41,294 --> 00:39:43,834
Speaker 2: Like, that is just a reality that I think will

905
00:39:43,873 --> 00:39:45,633
Speaker 2: happen and that you just have to accept that that's

906
00:39:45,714 --> 00:39:47,193
Speaker 2: kind of what it is, kind of what it is.

907
00:39:48,283 --> 00:39:49,884
Speaker 2: And it's just part of the process. But I do

908
00:39:49,953 --> 00:39:52,803
Speaker 2: think it's also a privilege to have a microphone and

909
00:39:52,824 --> 00:39:54,223
Speaker 2: be able to talk to anybody who gives a damn

910
00:39:54,243 --> 00:39:56,743
Speaker 2: what you're saying. So there's a privilege to it, to

911
00:39:56,783 --> 00:39:58,484
Speaker 2: be able to do it and have people actually care

912
00:39:58,524 --> 00:40:00,424
Speaker 2: what you say. So I do feel like there's a

913
00:40:00,464 --> 00:40:02,044
Speaker 2: responsibility to try to be careful.

914
00:40:02,163 --> 00:40:02,643
Speaker 1: Yes.

915
00:40:02,663 --> 00:40:04,453
Speaker 2: But there's just no I mean, like I accidentally dropped

916
00:40:04,473 --> 00:40:06,453
Speaker 2: an F-bomb one time on MSNBC. I did not mean

917
00:40:06,513 --> 00:40:09,893
Speaker 2: to because I was criticizing Joe Biden in the commercial breaks.

918
00:40:09,973 --> 00:40:11,433
Speaker 2: And as you can see, I'm a yapper. And so

919
00:40:11,453 --> 00:40:13,414
Speaker 2: I'm yapping and yapping and yapping. And in the commercial,

920
00:40:13,614 --> 00:40:17,243
Speaker 2: I would either be singing, talking or chatting. And then

921
00:40:17,283 --> 00:40:20,324
Speaker 2: I was chatting about something that he had been saying.

922
00:40:20,364 --> 00:40:23,604
Speaker 2: And it was about. you know, the Middle East. And

923
00:40:23,683 --> 00:40:25,993
Speaker 2: I said, damn it, trying to start another fucking war

924
00:40:26,053 --> 00:40:28,173
Speaker 2: and didn't realize that they had opened my mic. So

925
00:40:28,553 --> 00:40:32,254
Speaker 2: my agent called me immediately like, what are you doing?

926
00:40:32,774 --> 00:40:35,314
Speaker 1: No. I mean, I feel like you're not really in

927
00:40:35,354 --> 00:40:38,674
Speaker 1: this business until you drop an F-bomb live on TV.

928
00:40:38,893 --> 00:40:39,053
Speaker 3: Yeah.

929
00:40:44,634 --> 00:40:46,843
Speaker 1: These days, there are more people than ever telling you

930
00:40:46,884 --> 00:40:49,084
Speaker 1: how to manage your health. Your social media feed is

931
00:40:49,263 --> 00:40:52,814
Speaker 1: packed with wellness trends telling you to cold plunge. Protein Max,

932
00:40:52,953 --> 00:40:56,093
Speaker 1: and so much more. But what's actually real? What's exaggerated?

933
00:40:56,234 --> 00:40:58,694
Speaker 1: And what's just plain wrong? Health vs. Hype from the

934
00:40:58,714 --> 00:41:02,314
Speaker 1: American Medical Association breaks it all down. Emmy-nominated host Trace

935
00:41:02,334 --> 00:41:05,924
Speaker 1: Dominguez talks to health influencers, real people, and most importantly,

936
00:41:06,263 --> 00:41:09,564
Speaker 1: to doctors to separate fact from fiction. Because when it

937
00:41:09,604 --> 00:41:12,663
Speaker 1: comes to your health, who you listen to matters. Listen

938
00:41:12,683 --> 00:41:18,173
Speaker 1: to Health vs. Hype wherever you get your podcasts. Music

939
00:41:24,123 --> 00:41:26,444
Speaker 1: So just to be clear, so you and because I

940
00:41:26,444 --> 00:41:29,863
Speaker 1: was reading about the Islam, you know, are cool. Yes.

941
00:41:30,084 --> 00:41:33,223
Speaker 2: And look, the thing with the someone claiming that that's

942
00:41:33,243 --> 00:41:35,883
Speaker 2: something I said was Islam. It was actually crazy because

943
00:41:35,904 --> 00:41:38,464
Speaker 2: I've been a big defender of the Palestinian people. And

944
00:41:38,484 --> 00:41:40,823
Speaker 2: I think the way that I was phrasing something, I

945
00:41:40,864 --> 00:41:43,184
Speaker 2: was talking about the fact that I think people outside.

946
00:41:43,203 --> 00:41:45,903
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember this instance would consider what would

947
00:41:45,984 --> 00:41:47,123
Speaker 2: call this person.

948
00:41:47,384 --> 00:41:50,183
Speaker 1: It was like it was about Kyle Rittenhouse. And you're

949
00:41:50,203 --> 00:41:52,204
Speaker 1: saying the way that Trump is talking about Kyle Rittenhouse,

950
00:41:52,223 --> 00:41:54,024
Speaker 1: you're comparing it to something that could happen.

951
00:41:54,464 --> 00:41:59,323
Speaker 2: Right, exactly. And so CARE, the organization that reaches out

952
00:41:59,344 --> 00:42:02,323
Speaker 2: to try to stop Islamophobia, said something. And then I

953
00:42:02,364 --> 00:42:03,763
Speaker 2: had to come on and clarify. And the person who

954
00:42:03,783 --> 00:42:05,663
Speaker 2: was on with me was actually a Muslim who had

955
00:42:05,683 --> 00:42:07,004
Speaker 2: to come back on with me. We had to do

956
00:42:07,044 --> 00:42:09,163
Speaker 2: a thing. And when you're in corporate media, you have

957
00:42:09,183 --> 00:42:11,363
Speaker 2: to do a formal thing. You have to come and

958
00:42:11,384 --> 00:42:13,044
Speaker 2: you have to correct and clean it up. And so

959
00:42:13,064 --> 00:42:15,744
Speaker 2: that had to happen. The ruler thing, which was wild

960
00:42:15,803 --> 00:42:18,303
Speaker 2: about the ruler thing, is that I caught hell. And

961
00:42:18,364 --> 00:42:20,304
Speaker 2: I didn't even say it. And it wasn't on my show.

962
00:42:20,944 --> 00:42:24,413
Speaker 2: And I caught hell because I put her on with

963
00:42:25,314 --> 00:42:28,673
Speaker 2: Wajahat Ali, whose show it was. And I put them

964
00:42:28,953 --> 00:42:31,883
Speaker 2: on because she wanted to apologize. So I put her

965
00:42:31,973 --> 00:42:34,123
Speaker 2: on and let her apologize on my show. And I

966
00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:37,474
Speaker 2: caught living hell like I had said it. And, like,

967
00:42:37,524 --> 00:42:39,464
Speaker 2: I defended it. And I didn't defend it. I started

968
00:42:39,484 --> 00:42:41,944
Speaker 2: it by saying this was a mess up. It was

969
00:42:42,344 --> 00:42:45,883
Speaker 2: a screw up by somebody who's not an ally. She

970
00:42:45,984 --> 00:42:49,413
Speaker 2: is an ally. She's a black Palestinian woman. She identifies

971
00:42:49,493 --> 00:42:52,553
Speaker 2: as black. But that is not an excuse for what

972
00:42:52,594 --> 00:42:55,493
Speaker 2: she said. And she recognized that. And then Angela Rye

973
00:42:55,553 --> 00:42:58,314
Speaker 2: came on afterwards and really, you know, made it even

974
00:42:58,354 --> 00:43:00,143
Speaker 2: more plain than I had.

975
00:43:00,163 --> 00:43:00,243
Speaker 3: Yeah.

976
00:43:02,134 --> 00:43:03,924
Speaker 2: She mowed the lawn on that one. And I was like,

977
00:43:03,993 --> 00:43:06,604
Speaker 2: I get it. And I understood how people had feelings.

978
00:43:06,623 --> 00:43:08,524
Speaker 2: They didn't want to see her. They didn't want to

979
00:43:08,604 --> 00:43:11,263
Speaker 2: hear her at all. But she wanted to apologize. And

980
00:43:11,283 --> 00:43:13,743
Speaker 2: I feel if somebody genuinely wants to apologize and that's

981
00:43:13,763 --> 00:43:16,143
Speaker 2: what they want to do, it's why we have a platform.

982
00:43:16,183 --> 00:43:17,843
Speaker 2: So let them do it. And I don't know why

983
00:43:17,924 --> 00:43:19,223
Speaker 2: I caught hell for that. I still don't get it.

984
00:43:19,223 --> 00:43:20,724
Speaker 1: Well, I think it goes back to what we said earlier,

985
00:43:20,783 --> 00:43:24,093
Speaker 1: black woman on the Internet. And sometimes our people are

986
00:43:24,114 --> 00:43:24,794
Speaker 1: hardest on us.

987
00:43:25,314 --> 00:43:27,473
Speaker 2: I guess so. Yeah, because people really, they were real

988
00:43:27,513 --> 00:43:29,413
Speaker 2: big mad about it. But I was like, nope. And

989
00:43:29,513 --> 00:43:31,913
Speaker 2: first of all, she had been apologizing all day to

990
00:43:31,933 --> 00:43:34,754
Speaker 2: me in text. And she was genuinely mortified by what

991
00:43:34,794 --> 00:43:37,953
Speaker 2: she had said. And she felt strongly she wanted to apologize.

992
00:43:37,973 --> 00:43:39,714
Speaker 2: So I gave her the platform to do it.

993
00:43:40,754 --> 00:43:42,993
Speaker 1: Just on the subject of Ilhan Omar, I feel like

994
00:43:44,154 --> 00:43:45,373
Speaker 1: one of the ways I see all these things I'm

995
00:43:45,393 --> 00:43:46,774
Speaker 1: thinking about is like these are signs that we're in

996
00:43:46,814 --> 00:43:47,694
Speaker 1: a fascist country.

997
00:43:47,774 --> 00:43:48,054
Speaker 3: Yes.

998
00:43:48,354 --> 00:43:50,194
Speaker 1: And the way in which the Trump administration is trying

999
00:43:50,214 --> 00:43:52,843
Speaker 1: to strip her of her citizenship. it's like an old,

1000
00:43:52,884 --> 00:43:54,703
Speaker 1: like that's, that's it. That's fascism.

1001
00:43:55,044 --> 00:43:57,553
Speaker 2: Like one-on-one it's fascism one-on-one. And the thing about it

1002
00:43:57,594 --> 00:43:59,933
Speaker 2: is for me as a child of immigrants, this is

1003
00:44:00,013 --> 00:44:01,754
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that I really don't shout out

1004
00:44:01,774 --> 00:44:06,154
Speaker 2: my cousins and family members on my show anymore. I

1005
00:44:06,214 --> 00:44:08,533
Speaker 2: used to talk about them on social media, but I

1006
00:44:08,614 --> 00:44:11,743
Speaker 2: recognize I come from a family of immigrants and people

1007
00:44:11,783 --> 00:44:13,924
Speaker 2: need to understand that what they're doing is a demon

1008
00:44:14,183 --> 00:44:17,344
Speaker 2: is meant to send a message to every black person.

1009
00:44:17,854 --> 00:44:20,094
Speaker 2: That if you are a black immigrant, they can take

1010
00:44:20,114 --> 00:44:23,143
Speaker 2: away your citizenship, not because you did anything wrong, but

1011
00:44:23,183 --> 00:44:26,283
Speaker 2: because the president doesn't like you. And so your citizenship

1012
00:44:26,324 --> 00:44:28,863
Speaker 2: is dependent on the president liking you. So you better

1013
00:44:28,884 --> 00:44:31,024
Speaker 2: make him like you because they can strip you of

1014
00:44:31,044 --> 00:44:33,263
Speaker 2: your citizenship and take it. And if they could do

1015
00:44:33,303 --> 00:44:35,323
Speaker 2: it to Ilhan Omar, they could do it to me

1016
00:44:35,643 --> 00:44:37,703
Speaker 2: because my parents are immigrants. They could say, well, too bad.

1017
00:44:38,044 --> 00:44:42,864
Speaker 2: We don't think your deceased mother did her citizenship right. Therefore,

1018
00:44:42,884 --> 00:44:45,464
Speaker 2: since she wasn't a citizen, neither were you. You got

1019
00:44:45,484 --> 00:44:48,344
Speaker 2: to go. And then they could go to you, Mal Bell,

1020
00:44:48,424 --> 00:44:50,513
Speaker 2: and they could say, you know what? We don't like

1021
00:44:50,553 --> 00:44:52,973
Speaker 2: what you're saying. And we don't care that you trace

1022
00:44:52,993 --> 00:44:55,814
Speaker 2: your lineage back to enslavement. We've decided you're no longer

1023
00:44:55,854 --> 00:44:57,593
Speaker 2: a citizen. If you don't think they could do it

1024
00:44:57,614 --> 00:45:00,534
Speaker 2: to an African-American like you with all of your history,

1025
00:45:01,013 --> 00:45:03,973
Speaker 2: they could do it. And again, Trump is a German

1026
00:45:04,033 --> 00:45:06,923
Speaker 2: national whose people came here in the 1890s. And he

1027
00:45:06,984 --> 00:45:09,143
Speaker 2: thinks that he is more of a citizen than you.

1028
00:45:11,504 --> 00:45:13,494
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the thing I try to say.

1029
00:45:13,533 --> 00:45:15,134
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you saying this is like for one

1030
00:45:15,993 --> 00:45:17,613
Speaker 1: of the things that happens when black people try it,

1031
00:45:17,614 --> 00:45:20,473
Speaker 1: when certain black people want to really separate us from

1032
00:45:20,574 --> 00:45:22,834
Speaker 1: black immigrants, it's like, you know, all this shit rolls

1033
00:45:22,854 --> 00:45:27,283
Speaker 1: downhill to us. It doesn't stop rolling downhill and go, well,

1034
00:45:27,303 --> 00:45:28,743
Speaker 1: we don't want to be, you know, this is all

1035
00:45:28,783 --> 00:45:31,143
Speaker 1: just like test marketing for how do we, how do

1036
00:45:31,183 --> 00:45:32,284
Speaker 1: we control black people?

1037
00:45:32,324 --> 00:45:32,604
Speaker 2: Correct.

1038
00:45:32,683 --> 00:45:35,343
Speaker 1: Like all black people. Yeah. So, you know, none of

1039
00:45:35,364 --> 00:45:37,203
Speaker 1: this is, none of this seems like, I think some

1040
00:45:37,243 --> 00:45:39,534
Speaker 1: people are like, well, those immigrants do need to come

1041
00:45:39,574 --> 00:45:41,193
Speaker 1: to the country legally. And it's like, you know, all

1042
00:45:41,214 --> 00:45:43,734
Speaker 1: of this is just beta testing until they get to us.

1043
00:45:43,854 --> 00:45:45,294
Speaker 2: That's correct. Every time.

1044
00:45:45,574 --> 00:45:48,014
Speaker 1: And also, you know, other people know this is Native Americans.

1045
00:45:48,053 --> 00:45:50,274
Speaker 1: Indigenous people know that, like, they're coming. You know, this

1046
00:45:50,373 --> 00:45:52,214
Speaker 1: is our land. That's right. And they're coming for us.

1047
00:45:52,294 --> 00:45:56,193
Speaker 2: And ICE has already gone after Indigenous communities.

1048
00:45:56,314 --> 00:45:57,114
Speaker 1: On sovereign land.

1049
00:45:57,174 --> 00:45:58,493
Speaker 2: On the same trip where you and I met up

1050
00:45:58,513 --> 00:46:00,274
Speaker 2: when we were at last year when we were in Utah.

1051
00:46:00,314 --> 00:46:01,513
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1052
00:46:01,634 --> 00:46:04,134
Speaker 2: The guy who was driving us around was an Indigenous

1053
00:46:04,174 --> 00:46:07,033
Speaker 2: man who said that his community at that point had already—

1054
00:46:07,564 --> 00:46:11,863
Speaker 2: faced harassment from ICE. ICE coming into indigenous territory and

1055
00:46:11,944 --> 00:46:13,284
Speaker 2: questioning their citizenship.

1056
00:46:13,303 --> 00:46:15,163
Speaker 1: It would be like if ICE walked into Canada and

1057
00:46:15,183 --> 00:46:17,403
Speaker 1: started talking to people. You know what I'm saying? People don't...

1058
00:46:17,564 --> 00:46:21,323
Speaker 1: I don't think... That is their sovereign land. Correct. It

1059
00:46:21,364 --> 00:46:23,423
Speaker 1: is like another country that you're being allowed to go

1060
00:46:23,533 --> 00:46:24,654
Speaker 1: on there. That's right. And it would be like if

1061
00:46:24,754 --> 00:46:26,973
Speaker 1: ICE walked into Canada and started telling people what to do. Correct.

1062
00:46:26,993 --> 00:46:27,953
Speaker 1: That's how wild it is.

1063
00:46:28,094 --> 00:46:28,294
Speaker 3: It is.

1064
00:46:28,373 --> 00:46:30,993
Speaker 2: And the fact that they have the nerve, the gall,

1065
00:46:31,334 --> 00:46:33,493
Speaker 2: to go to these people whose land was stolen from them.

1066
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Speaker 2: But again... It takes us back to Israel because I

1067
00:46:36,924 --> 00:46:39,963
Speaker 2: promise you, you know, you go into the West Bank

1068
00:46:39,984 --> 00:46:43,863
Speaker 2: where people have 100-year-old deeds to their land and they've

1069
00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:46,013
Speaker 2: been there hundreds of years. They're going in there, a

1070
00:46:46,194 --> 00:46:49,113
Speaker 2: group of settlers landing from Chicago or from, you know,

1071
00:46:49,134 --> 00:46:51,193
Speaker 2: from Moscow are saying, this is our land.

1072
00:46:51,234 --> 00:46:51,633
Speaker 1: Get out.

1073
00:46:52,074 --> 00:46:56,334
Speaker 2: So this whole idea of settler colonialism is the basis

1074
00:46:56,354 --> 00:47:00,744
Speaker 2: for so many so-called civilizations. And the way that they

1075
00:47:01,324 --> 00:47:05,643
Speaker 2: civilize these places is to remove the non-Europeans. And when

1076
00:47:05,743 --> 00:47:08,884
Speaker 2: Europeans just decide you as a non-European are less of

1077
00:47:08,924 --> 00:47:11,613
Speaker 2: a human, therefore I get to have your land. I

1078
00:47:11,634 --> 00:47:12,913
Speaker 2: get to tell you what to do. I make the

1079
00:47:12,953 --> 00:47:15,554
Speaker 2: laws of you. I make the rules. It's no different

1080
00:47:15,594 --> 00:47:17,593
Speaker 2: whether you're doing it there or here. So we have

1081
00:47:17,634 --> 00:47:22,874
Speaker 2: to understand that we're living in an era of endless imperialism,

1082
00:47:23,094 --> 00:47:27,363
Speaker 2: endless recolonization. And the biggest fear that these people have

1083
00:47:27,473 --> 00:47:28,683
Speaker 2: is not that you and I will figure this out

1084
00:47:28,723 --> 00:47:30,403
Speaker 2: and talk about it on your podcast. It's the white

1085
00:47:30,424 --> 00:47:32,863
Speaker 2: people will figure it out. They're so afraid that if

1086
00:47:32,904 --> 00:47:36,073
Speaker 2: their own children and grandchildren figure it out, they'll put

1087
00:47:36,094 --> 00:47:38,153
Speaker 2: a stop to it. And so the reason that they're

1088
00:47:38,214 --> 00:47:41,834
Speaker 2: so exercised about DEI and Black history being taught in

1089
00:47:41,873 --> 00:47:43,744
Speaker 2: schools is not because we're figuring it out.

1090
00:47:43,774 --> 00:47:44,113
Speaker 4: We know.

1091
00:47:44,674 --> 00:47:46,433
Speaker 2: It's because the white kids are on TikTok going, wait

1092
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:48,314
Speaker 2: a cotton-picking minute.

1093
00:47:49,094 --> 00:47:53,004
Speaker 1: Wait a, I never picked cotton-picking minute. No, I think

1094
00:47:53,303 --> 00:47:55,723
Speaker 1: that's true. I think it's true that there were, I mean,

1095
00:47:56,243 --> 00:47:58,104
Speaker 1: you know, I've said this for years that like, because

1096
00:47:58,163 --> 00:48:00,763
Speaker 1: it's still like, what is this? Yeah. If Martin Luther

1097
00:48:00,783 --> 00:48:03,923
Speaker 1: King Jr. was alive, he would be 97 years old.

1098
00:48:04,024 --> 00:48:04,263
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1099
00:48:04,504 --> 00:48:06,993
Speaker 1: That's not the oldest Black person in the history of mankind.

1100
00:48:07,243 --> 00:48:09,754
Speaker 1: So when I hear that and I think that, I

1101
00:48:09,794 --> 00:48:11,993
Speaker 1: think about the fact that that means that there are

1102
00:48:12,033 --> 00:48:15,654
Speaker 1: still white people walking this earth who hated his fucking guts.

1103
00:48:15,674 --> 00:48:16,234
Speaker 2: That's correct.

1104
00:48:16,413 --> 00:48:19,453
Speaker 1: And post the Civil Rights Movement, they were shamed into silence.

1105
00:48:19,634 --> 00:48:19,754
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

1106
00:48:20,104 --> 00:48:22,323
Speaker 1: And sort of like, I guess we can't just be

1107
00:48:22,344 --> 00:48:24,123
Speaker 1: out loud about that anymore. But they were still around.

1108
00:48:24,283 --> 00:48:26,743
Speaker 1: We thought their hearts had changed. Some of them did.

1109
00:48:27,033 --> 00:48:28,914
Speaker 1: But a lot of them were just like biding their time.

1110
00:48:29,354 --> 00:48:31,153
Speaker 1: And we thought he got a holiday. So that must

1111
00:48:31,214 --> 00:48:33,093
Speaker 1: mean that everything, even though Arizona was like, we don't

1112
00:48:33,114 --> 00:48:33,533
Speaker 1: want him to.

1113
00:48:33,473 --> 00:48:34,933
Speaker 2: Have a holiday.

1114
00:48:35,314 --> 00:48:39,243
Speaker 1: But then Trump sort of invited those people and their

1115
00:48:39,344 --> 00:48:41,884
Speaker 1: racist children who had been raised by them. to suddenly

1116
00:48:41,904 --> 00:48:46,514
Speaker 1: just come out from under the dead log.

1117
00:48:46,814 --> 00:48:47,074
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1118
00:48:47,334 --> 00:48:49,573
Speaker 2: And the thing is that people, you know, we lose

1119
00:48:50,154 --> 00:48:53,073
Speaker 2: kind of a sense of time. But, you know, King

1120
00:48:53,094 --> 00:48:56,493
Speaker 2: was killed in 68. The years between 68 and 1980

1121
00:48:56,493 --> 00:49:01,404
Speaker 2: when Reagan is reelected, that's 12 years. So it's 12

1122
00:49:01,404 --> 00:49:05,763
Speaker 2: years between King being killed, Reagan coming in, and when

1123
00:49:05,783 --> 00:49:09,294
Speaker 2: was the Heritage Foundation formed? Around that time, early 1980s.

1124
00:49:09,614 --> 00:49:11,573
Speaker 2: And who were two of the OG members of the

1125
00:49:11,634 --> 00:49:14,533
Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation when it was on college campuses and when

1126
00:49:14,553 --> 00:49:17,254
Speaker 2: it was young lawyers involved? That would be John Roberts

1127
00:49:17,354 --> 00:49:19,634
Speaker 2: and Samuel Alito, two of the OG members of the

1128
00:49:19,654 --> 00:49:23,653
Speaker 2: Heritage Foundation. So we're saying that 12 years after King

1129
00:49:23,674 --> 00:49:26,864
Speaker 2: was dead, people like John Roberts and Samuel Alito were saying, okay,

1130
00:49:26,884 --> 00:49:29,623
Speaker 2: that's enough blacks. You've gotten enough freedom. Now shut the

1131
00:49:29,643 --> 00:49:31,943
Speaker 2: fuck up. Be quiet again and go back to cleaning

1132
00:49:32,044 --> 00:49:32,403
Speaker 2: my shit.

1133
00:49:32,643 --> 00:49:32,823
Speaker 3: Right.

1134
00:49:32,904 --> 00:49:35,483
Speaker 2: Go back to being a maid and be quiet. You've

1135
00:49:35,524 --> 00:49:37,064
Speaker 2: gotten enough. You've gotten enough freedom.

1136
00:49:37,384 --> 00:49:37,714
Speaker 1: Shut up.

1137
00:49:37,944 --> 00:49:40,973
Speaker 2: That was literally 12 years later. They already started on

1138
00:49:41,013 --> 00:49:45,203
Speaker 2: the mission to undo slavery. this brief moment of civil rights.

1139
00:49:45,223 --> 00:49:48,924
Speaker 2: This civil rights movement was brief. It was as short

1140
00:49:48,984 --> 00:49:53,084
Speaker 2: as Reconstruction. And just like they said after 12 years

1141
00:49:53,123 --> 00:49:56,703
Speaker 2: of Reconstruction, enough. Put the whites back in charge. They

1142
00:49:56,723 --> 00:49:59,004
Speaker 2: did the same thing with the civil rights movement. They said, enough.

1143
00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:02,203
Speaker 2: The second Reconstruction has gone too far. Same with Obama.

1144
00:50:02,513 --> 00:50:05,574
Speaker 2: He comes in. Eight years later, they said, enough. Enough

1145
00:50:05,614 --> 00:50:08,173
Speaker 2: of this black president. We're going back to the way

1146
00:50:08,214 --> 00:50:08,533
Speaker 2: it was.

1147
00:50:08,893 --> 00:50:09,913
Speaker 1: Not only are we going back to the way it was,

1148
00:50:09,953 --> 00:50:13,863
Speaker 1: we're going to take the number one worst person. Like

1149
00:50:13,884 --> 00:50:16,673
Speaker 1: the guy, I mean, there's so many times when it's like,

1150
00:50:16,743 --> 00:50:18,764
Speaker 1: how did we not, we have not done a good

1151
00:50:18,783 --> 00:50:21,893
Speaker 1: job as an American society to shame people out of

1152
00:50:22,294 --> 00:50:24,623
Speaker 1: common life, out of public life when they have messed up.

1153
00:50:25,334 --> 00:50:27,623
Speaker 1: So Donald Trump, there's several times, first of all, 73,

1154
00:50:27,614 --> 00:50:31,893
Speaker 1: he gets the, just the Nixon administration has says, you're

1155
00:50:31,933 --> 00:50:34,274
Speaker 1: not renting houses to black people. You're putting a C

1156
00:50:34,294 --> 00:50:36,673
Speaker 1: on their forms. So that's the first time Donald Trump's

1157
00:50:36,774 --> 00:50:39,873
Speaker 1: first act in public life is being acknowledged as a

1158
00:50:39,913 --> 00:50:42,623
Speaker 1: racist by the federal government, by Nixon's, Department of Justice.

1159
00:50:42,643 --> 00:50:45,783
Speaker 1: Of all people. Yeah. Then we got the Exonerated Five,

1160
00:50:46,074 --> 00:50:47,754
Speaker 1: then known as the Central Park Five, that he took

1161
00:50:47,794 --> 00:50:51,054
Speaker 1: out full-page ads in newspapers saying we need to bring

1162
00:50:51,154 --> 00:50:52,134
Speaker 1: back the death penalty.

1163
00:50:52,174 --> 00:50:52,814
Speaker 2: For teenagers.

1164
00:50:52,953 --> 00:50:56,893
Speaker 1: Yeah, for teenagers who had no physical evidence connecting them

1165
00:50:56,933 --> 00:50:59,823
Speaker 1: to this crime. It did nothing. It did nothing. And

1166
00:50:59,924 --> 00:51:04,663
Speaker 1: then made a whole cottage industry out of Barack Obama

1167
00:51:04,683 --> 00:51:06,404
Speaker 1: needs to prove that he was born in Hawaii.

1168
00:51:06,424 --> 00:51:06,704
Speaker 2: Correct.

1169
00:51:07,104 --> 00:51:08,604
Speaker 1: Turned into a whole cottage industry.

1170
00:51:08,783 --> 00:51:09,003
Speaker 3: Yep.

1171
00:51:09,243 --> 00:51:12,274
Speaker 1: Three different times he should have said, And then we

1172
00:51:12,294 --> 00:51:17,893
Speaker 1: got January 6th. That's three different times, four different times

1173
00:51:17,913 --> 00:51:19,214
Speaker 1: where we should be like, you're not allowed to come

1174
00:51:19,234 --> 00:51:19,894
Speaker 1: outside anymore.

1175
00:51:20,053 --> 00:51:23,254
Speaker 2: And not even in between that, a million people died

1176
00:51:23,294 --> 00:51:26,394
Speaker 2: from the COVID pandemic because he lied to the American

1177
00:51:26,433 --> 00:51:28,373
Speaker 2: people because he was afraid he would lose his reelect

1178
00:51:28,694 --> 00:51:30,534
Speaker 2: if he told us it was airborne. But he told

1179
00:51:30,574 --> 00:51:33,304
Speaker 2: Bob Woodward it was airborne on tape. And Bob Woodward

1180
00:51:33,344 --> 00:51:35,383
Speaker 2: didn't tell us either. He should be shamed for that

1181
00:51:35,464 --> 00:51:35,783
Speaker 2: as well.

1182
00:51:35,904 --> 00:51:40,394
Speaker 1: Okay, so what is your opinion on journalists today? You

1183
00:51:40,413 --> 00:51:44,113
Speaker 1: just said no. Just like, no, my opinion is no. Journalists,

1184
00:51:44,614 --> 00:51:47,154
Speaker 1: I understand people like to write books. And I understand

1185
00:51:47,393 --> 00:51:51,494
Speaker 1: that you need juicy hot goss in the book to

1186
00:51:51,533 --> 00:51:54,584
Speaker 1: sell the book. And I understand. But there is certainly

1187
00:51:54,604 --> 00:51:58,243
Speaker 1: an industry of journalists who put out these books about like,

1188
00:51:58,703 --> 00:52:01,403
Speaker 1: look what I heard a year ago. that you all

1189
00:52:01,424 --> 00:52:03,283
Speaker 1: were talking about and you would have loved to have

1190
00:52:03,344 --> 00:52:06,673
Speaker 1: confirmation that maybe would have changed could have made maybe

1191
00:52:06,694 --> 00:52:08,274
Speaker 1: it was changing maybe it wouldn't but you certainly would

1192
00:52:08,294 --> 00:52:11,613
Speaker 1: have loved this confirmation uh and now i'm or look

1193
00:52:11,634 --> 00:52:13,453
Speaker 1: what i thought a year ago that i didn't tell

1194
00:52:13,473 --> 00:52:14,994
Speaker 1: you i thought a year ago but now i'm writing

1195
00:52:15,024 --> 00:52:16,263
Speaker 1: the book and i'm telling you i thought about it

1196
00:52:16,303 --> 00:52:18,024
Speaker 1: i think about and you know these people have a

1197
00:52:18,064 --> 00:52:20,524
Speaker 1: lot of clay bob woodward is like the best example

1198
00:52:20,564 --> 00:52:23,783
Speaker 1: of it but like you know jay tapper maggie haberman

1199
00:52:23,844 --> 00:52:25,593
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like sort of like here's what

1200
00:52:25,634 --> 00:52:27,964
Speaker 1: I really thought or here's what I really heard. My

1201
00:52:28,004 --> 00:52:30,104
Speaker 1: book's available for sale right now. Right, exactly.

1202
00:52:30,263 --> 00:52:32,363
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if Woodward and Bernstein had done that

1203
00:52:32,404 --> 00:52:35,454
Speaker 2: with Watergate? With Watergate, they did the opposite. They said, oh,

1204
00:52:35,464 --> 00:52:37,783
Speaker 2: my God, this man is a crook. He's committing crimes

1205
00:52:37,864 --> 00:52:39,424
Speaker 2: right now. Here's the evidence.

1206
00:52:39,444 --> 00:52:41,344
Speaker 1: We got to let the American public know right now

1207
00:52:41,364 --> 00:52:43,004
Speaker 1: so we can stop the crimes. Correct.

1208
00:52:43,044 --> 00:52:44,474
Speaker 2: And they did it right then and there. Can you

1209
00:52:44,493 --> 00:52:46,493
Speaker 2: imagine if they just said, you know what? Let's hold off.

1210
00:52:46,513 --> 00:52:47,194
Speaker 2: Let's let him play out.

1211
00:52:47,214 --> 00:52:49,394
Speaker 1: This is going to be a real juicy book.

1212
00:52:50,013 --> 00:52:52,274
Speaker 2: And they didn't. And it's like, what happened to this guy?

1213
00:52:52,433 --> 00:52:55,033
Speaker 2: And then he fast forward to Trump. And this is

1214
00:52:55,094 --> 00:52:58,274
Speaker 2: not what Watergate was bad. Watergate was cheating in an election.

1215
00:52:58,913 --> 00:53:02,643
Speaker 2: COVID killed a million people. This is life and death.

1216
00:53:03,094 --> 00:53:07,294
Speaker 2: And this man said to tape, it's airborne. Do you

1217
00:53:07,314 --> 00:53:09,873
Speaker 2: remember this? We were taking out like Lysol and spraying

1218
00:53:09,913 --> 00:53:12,453
Speaker 2: like our groceries and stuff or spraying our grocery bags.

1219
00:53:12,473 --> 00:53:13,044
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it.

1220
00:53:13,214 --> 00:53:13,873
Speaker 2: We were doing it.

1221
00:53:13,913 --> 00:53:15,453
Speaker 1: I was the head grocery cleaner in my house.

1222
00:53:15,614 --> 00:53:17,214
Speaker 2: We were panicking.

1223
00:53:17,254 --> 00:53:20,953
Speaker 1: We didn't know. I remember Sanjay Gupta, you know, no

1224
00:53:20,993 --> 00:53:24,104
Speaker 1: shade or maybe the requisite amount of shade on CNN

1225
00:53:24,143 --> 00:53:26,093
Speaker 1: doing a segment. Where he showed you how to clean

1226
00:53:26,114 --> 00:53:26,493
Speaker 1: your groceries.

1227
00:53:26,513 --> 00:53:28,594
Speaker 2: How to clean your groceries. We were cleaning our groceries.

1228
00:53:28,834 --> 00:53:31,383
Speaker 2: We were spraying every door handle or doorknob handle because

1229
00:53:31,404 --> 00:53:32,553
Speaker 2: we didn't know if it was you touch it and

1230
00:53:32,594 --> 00:53:34,763
Speaker 2: you get it. We were walking around in our house

1231
00:53:34,803 --> 00:53:37,643
Speaker 2: in masks. We were so scared to go near our grandparents.

1232
00:53:37,844 --> 00:53:39,064
Speaker 2: We were staying away from our elders.

1233
00:53:39,084 --> 00:53:41,064
Speaker 1: We didn't know. We would see her. We would go

1234
00:53:41,143 --> 00:53:43,564
Speaker 1: outside at her courtyard at her apartment building and just

1235
00:53:43,584 --> 00:53:46,683
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, and she couldn't, I mean, just the, couldn't,

1236
00:53:46,703 --> 00:53:47,963
Speaker 1: you're afraid to hug her, you know.

1237
00:53:48,044 --> 00:53:52,734
Speaker 2: People dying alone, elderly people, their last person they touch

1238
00:53:52,774 --> 00:53:56,073
Speaker 2: is an iPad. with the person on the other end

1239
00:53:56,114 --> 00:53:58,073
Speaker 2: of the phone, people dying alone in their apartments. I

1240
00:53:58,114 --> 00:54:00,734
Speaker 2: know two people who died by themselves in their apartments

1241
00:54:00,873 --> 00:54:05,373
Speaker 2: all alone. And I mean, this reporter, this journalist, this

1242
00:54:05,433 --> 00:54:09,294
Speaker 2: great journalist knew. And in February, I think about what

1243
00:54:09,373 --> 00:54:13,153
Speaker 2: we were doing in February of 2020. We were all

1244
00:54:13,214 --> 00:54:16,814
Speaker 2: about impeachment on my show, on AM Joy at that time.

1245
00:54:17,174 --> 00:54:19,513
Speaker 2: It was just impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. We were focused. We

1246
00:54:19,533 --> 00:54:22,993
Speaker 2: were not. And I remember one of the senior, the

1247
00:54:23,013 --> 00:54:25,584
Speaker 2: people who was in charge of weekends was like, And

1248
00:54:25,604 --> 00:54:27,484
Speaker 2: they have Tom Nika. She was like, yo, there's this

1249
00:54:27,743 --> 00:54:30,504
Speaker 2: virus going around this COVID thing. And I was like, ma'am,

1250
00:54:30,904 --> 00:54:32,493
Speaker 2: if you tell me one more time about this COVID,

1251
00:54:33,393 --> 00:54:35,213
Speaker 2: we try to get this impeachment on. We were so

1252
00:54:35,354 --> 00:54:38,194
Speaker 2: focused on, on impeaching this fool. We were so focused

1253
00:54:38,234 --> 00:54:39,814
Speaker 2: on impeachment that we were just sort of not paying.

1254
00:54:40,033 --> 00:54:41,933
Speaker 2: And then it kind of hit in April.

1255
00:54:42,254 --> 00:54:45,674
Speaker 1: It sounded crazy. And I mean, like it didn't sound

1256
00:54:45,703 --> 00:54:47,984
Speaker 1: like we'd never experienced it before. And you know, we

1257
00:54:48,024 --> 00:54:49,524
Speaker 1: were every now and again, Oh, there's a mad cow

1258
00:54:49,544 --> 00:54:53,523
Speaker 1: disease or there's a Zika bird flu. Like there's, Oh yeah.

1259
00:54:53,564 --> 00:54:55,533
Speaker 1: But it never had, nothing like that ever.

1260
00:54:55,473 --> 00:54:57,774
Speaker 2: Happened because the government was not telling us how bad

1261
00:54:57,814 --> 00:54:59,673
Speaker 2: it was and then all of a sudden april may

1262
00:54:59,734 --> 00:55:02,754
Speaker 2: comes along and there are body bags piling up in

1263
00:55:02,794 --> 00:55:06,334
Speaker 2: brooklyn and then we're like holy shit but we we

1264
00:55:06,354 --> 00:55:08,993
Speaker 2: would have had a three or four month warning that

1265
00:55:09,013 --> 00:55:11,194
Speaker 2: we could have told we could have communicated to our

1266
00:55:11,294 --> 00:55:14,973
Speaker 2: audiences and at the time you know i'm humble brag

1267
00:55:14,993 --> 00:55:17,643
Speaker 2: i had the biggest weekend show at msnbc.

1268
00:55:17,223 --> 00:55:18,643
Speaker 1: No for sure you were you were you were one

1269
00:55:18,663 --> 00:55:20,693
Speaker 1: of those like if it's If it's on the weekend,

1270
00:55:20,754 --> 00:55:21,734
Speaker 1: you're trending on Twitter.

1271
00:55:21,774 --> 00:55:23,734
Speaker 2: We were trending every weekend. We had the biggest show

1272
00:55:23,774 --> 00:55:26,473
Speaker 2: on the network at the time and the weekends at

1273
00:55:26,513 --> 00:55:29,053
Speaker 2: the time. And it's like, we didn't know. We couldn't

1274
00:55:29,094 --> 00:55:32,633
Speaker 2: tell anyone. And so that failure alone should have made

1275
00:55:32,654 --> 00:55:36,223
Speaker 2: him ineligible to ever be president again. Remember, 9-11 was

1276
00:55:36,223 --> 00:55:39,964
Speaker 2: 2,300 people who died. It changed our whole country. This

1277
00:55:40,024 --> 00:55:42,803
Speaker 2: is a million people. And we just are like, let

1278
00:55:42,824 --> 00:55:46,323
Speaker 2: him have another shot. Give him another chance. Why? Just

1279
00:55:46,384 --> 00:55:48,513
Speaker 2: that alone. And then the fact, as you said, The

1280
00:55:48,553 --> 00:55:51,073
Speaker 2: Central Park Five thing was not just a mistake in

1281
00:55:51,174 --> 00:55:55,234
Speaker 2: judgment about five kids. It was an attempted lynching. His father,

1282
00:55:55,254 --> 00:55:57,634
Speaker 2: his father got arrested at a Klan rally.

1283
00:55:57,694 --> 00:56:00,834
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Charles Blow talked about that.

1284
00:56:00,854 --> 00:56:02,354
Speaker 2: In 1927, he got arrested at a Klan rally, something

1285
00:56:02,373 --> 00:56:03,593
Speaker 2: we try to tell people when he was trying to

1286
00:56:03,614 --> 00:56:07,604
Speaker 2: run the first time. This man said, lynch these five

1287
00:56:08,004 --> 00:56:11,084
Speaker 2: young teenagers for the same thing that black men used

1288
00:56:11,104 --> 00:56:15,304
Speaker 2: to get lynched for, accusations of rape. This was a direct.

1289
00:56:14,944 --> 00:56:17,243
Speaker 1: Attempt at lynching. Accusations of rape with no hint of proof.

1290
00:56:17,643 --> 00:56:20,564
Speaker 2: Hint of proof that's why black men got lynched yep

1291
00:56:20,783 --> 00:56:23,444
Speaker 2: for decades yeah and now all of a sudden you

1292
00:56:23,464 --> 00:56:26,453
Speaker 2: want to lynch these five boys and he did that

1293
00:56:26,634 --> 00:56:28,973
Speaker 2: loud and proud in an expensive new york times full

1294
00:56:28,993 --> 00:56:31,314
Speaker 2: page ad and we're just like yeah fine give another

1295
00:56:31,354 --> 00:56:33,573
Speaker 2: chance give him the apprentice let him be.

1296
00:56:33,553 --> 00:56:36,843
Speaker 1: Like a goofy let him be like the america's favorite

1297
00:56:36,884 --> 00:56:39,283
Speaker 1: rich guy sort of charming rich guy.

1298
00:56:38,984 --> 00:56:42,524
Speaker 2: Yeah what are we doing He's firing Omarosa. It's cute.

1299
00:56:42,884 --> 00:56:44,303
Speaker 2: I never watched that show for the reason that I

1300
00:56:44,324 --> 00:56:46,863
Speaker 2: was a teenager in New York during Central Park Five.

1301
00:56:47,163 --> 00:56:49,473
Speaker 2: I remember him as basically the devil. And so you're

1302
00:56:49,513 --> 00:56:53,013
Speaker 2: electing this awful racist man. That was bad enough to

1303
00:56:53,053 --> 00:56:54,474
Speaker 2: do at once. But a second time?

1304
00:56:55,654 --> 00:56:57,314
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the proof that like, let's be clear.

1305
00:56:57,354 --> 00:56:59,633
Speaker 1: And I've always want to be clear about this. White

1306
00:56:59,654 --> 00:57:02,533
Speaker 1: supremacy is not real in the way that it's not

1307
00:57:02,574 --> 00:57:04,433
Speaker 1: a thing that is true that white people are supreme.

1308
00:57:05,114 --> 00:57:09,053
Speaker 1: But white supremacy is like a performance-enhancing drug that helps

1309
00:57:09,114 --> 00:57:09,953
Speaker 1: a guy like Donald Trump.

1310
00:57:09,973 --> 00:57:11,074
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

1311
00:57:11,234 --> 00:57:14,933
Speaker 1: It supercharges his ability to not have things stick to him. Yeah.

1312
00:57:15,154 --> 00:57:17,613
Speaker 1: Because the system is set up to be like, you know,

1313
00:57:17,694 --> 00:57:18,794
Speaker 1: that was last year.

1314
00:57:18,814 --> 00:57:19,434
Speaker 2: Right.

1315
00:57:19,594 --> 00:57:20,854
Speaker 1: That was a crazy time.

1316
00:57:21,174 --> 00:57:26,854
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Obama having 23 sexual abuse accusations on

1317
00:57:26,914 --> 00:57:30,014
Speaker 2: him and being in the Epstein files more than Jesus

1318
00:57:30,074 --> 00:57:30,734
Speaker 2: is in the Bible?

1319
00:57:31,554 --> 00:57:33,494
Speaker 1: No, I mean, the answer is just no. The answer

1320
00:57:33,554 --> 00:57:35,484
Speaker 1: is just the answer is just I mean, it's like

1321
00:57:35,524 --> 00:57:37,724
Speaker 1: it's not even, you know, first of all, Michelle's not

1322
00:57:37,744 --> 00:57:40,173
Speaker 1: still there if that happens. That's fair.

1323
00:57:40,434 --> 00:57:42,234
Speaker 2: Well, neither is Melania, if we're being honest.

1324
00:57:42,514 --> 00:57:45,114
Speaker 1: No, Melania. In name only. I'm sure that is a

1325
00:57:45,214 --> 00:57:48,254
Speaker 1: contracted appearance. Incorrect. It's like when you, it's like, I

1326
00:57:48,274 --> 00:57:50,883
Speaker 1: got to show up to the supermarket opening. It is,

1327
00:57:50,944 --> 00:57:53,004
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's somewhere there's paperwork says when she has

1328
00:57:53,024 --> 00:57:54,604
Speaker 1: to show up. Right. Can't wait to see the new

1329
00:57:55,344 --> 00:57:56,704
Speaker 1: Christmas death decorations.

1330
00:57:57,044 --> 00:57:59,754
Speaker 2: Oh my God. The red, the red wedding Christmas is,

1331
00:57:59,804 --> 00:58:01,944
Speaker 2: might be one of the lowest moments in like the

1332
00:58:02,344 --> 00:58:05,244
Speaker 2: US holiday history. The red, it was like a blood

1333
00:58:05,324 --> 00:58:06,804
Speaker 2: red Christmas. What is happening?

1334
00:58:06,964 --> 00:58:08,323
Speaker 1: And also, I just want to be clear about the

1335
00:58:08,364 --> 00:58:11,104
Speaker 1: COVID thing. We're not saying all that stuff that we

1336
00:58:11,144 --> 00:58:14,454
Speaker 1: were doing. We were all just scared. Yes. And the

1337
00:58:14,474 --> 00:58:16,073
Speaker 1: thing we're saying is that we were not being given

1338
00:58:16,114 --> 00:58:17,294
Speaker 1: the truth by our leader.

1339
00:58:17,594 --> 00:58:20,414
Speaker 2: We weren't being given direction. And like he was downplaying it. Right.

1340
00:58:20,454 --> 00:58:22,214
Speaker 2: I mean, like there's a way that you can do

1341
00:58:22,254 --> 00:58:24,994
Speaker 2: leadership that's it's over that. I mean, I'm not a

1342
00:58:25,014 --> 00:58:25,573
Speaker 2: fan of George W.

1343
00:58:25,594 --> 00:58:26,113
Speaker 5: Bush at all.

1344
00:58:26,234 --> 00:58:28,804
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan at all. But during after 9-11,

1345
00:58:29,124 --> 00:58:31,444
Speaker 2: I will give him this one. We're giving flowers. I'll

1346
00:58:31,464 --> 00:58:33,784
Speaker 2: give him this one piece of credit. He said to

1347
00:58:33,804 --> 00:58:38,093
Speaker 2: the country, don't panic. And he performed Don't Panic, but

1348
00:58:38,134 --> 00:58:44,133
Speaker 2: with a level set of it's scared. Like it's not panic, right?

1349
00:58:44,154 --> 00:58:46,554
Speaker 2: But it wasn't like he was saying don't do anything, right?

1350
00:58:46,854 --> 00:58:48,954
Speaker 2: And I hate that the response was to go to

1351
00:58:48,994 --> 00:58:51,124
Speaker 2: war with Iraq, which had nothing to do with it.

1352
00:58:51,344 --> 00:58:52,624
Speaker 2: He got bullied into it by the neocons.

1353
00:58:52,664 --> 00:58:55,234
Speaker 1: And also just sort of. supercharged a whole new generation

1354
00:58:55,254 --> 00:58:56,323
Speaker 1: of Islamophobia.

1355
00:58:56,474 --> 00:58:58,484
Speaker 2: And created ICE. There was no ICE before then.

1356
00:58:58,504 --> 00:59:00,204
Speaker 1: That's right. It was Homeland Security. The Department of Homeland.

1357
00:59:00,044 --> 00:59:02,484
Speaker 2: Security didn't exist. All this bullshit. And so I think

1358
00:59:02,524 --> 00:59:04,884
Speaker 2: his response was stupid, like the Patriot Act and a

1359
00:59:04,884 --> 00:59:06,544
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff. But I'm just saying his actual

1360
00:59:06,584 --> 00:59:09,843
Speaker 2: performance as president, he tried to be reassuring in some way.

1361
00:59:10,044 --> 00:59:14,194
Speaker 1: If he had only been America's president the way that

1362
00:59:14,334 --> 00:59:18,454
Speaker 1: a greeter is at Walmart. Without the Cheney part of it.

1363
00:59:18,934 --> 00:59:23,414
Speaker 1: With no power. I still think there's a short documentary

1364
00:59:23,454 --> 00:59:25,454
Speaker 1: that ESPN did about him throwing out that first pitch.

1365
00:59:25,894 --> 00:59:28,774
Speaker 1: That may be the most impressive. After 9-11, during the

1366
00:59:29,054 --> 00:59:30,734
Speaker 1: World Series, he threw out the first pitch and it

1367
00:59:30,774 --> 00:59:33,174
Speaker 1: was right down the plate. He refused to wear a

1368
00:59:33,224 --> 00:59:37,464
Speaker 1: bulletproof vest. That might be the most presidential thing he

1369
00:59:37,544 --> 00:59:39,463
Speaker 1: ever did and the most impressive thing he ever did

1370
00:59:40,044 --> 00:59:42,044
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, he was doing a lot of other things.

1371
00:59:42,444 --> 00:59:44,403
Speaker 2: And reading My Pet Goat during, there was a lot

1372
00:59:44,424 --> 00:59:45,664
Speaker 2: about him. I mean, he was one of the worst

1373
00:59:45,704 --> 00:59:46,924
Speaker 2: presidents ever in history.

1374
00:59:47,134 --> 00:59:49,554
Speaker 1: I'm giving him that one. It's a flower petal. It's

1375
00:59:49,634 --> 00:59:50,113
Speaker 1: a petal.

1376
00:59:50,134 --> 00:59:52,414
Speaker 2: We give him that petal. But with Trump, his whole

1377
00:59:52,434 --> 00:59:54,434
Speaker 2: thing was, oh, my God, I got to get reelected.

1378
00:59:54,934 --> 00:59:56,814
Speaker 2: Just pretend this is just the flu and it isn't real.

1379
00:59:57,114 --> 00:59:59,804
Speaker 2: Just don't worry about it. You can just go ahead

1380
00:59:59,824 --> 01:00:01,604
Speaker 2: and go to church. Go ahead and do what you want.

1381
01:00:01,624 --> 01:00:04,403
Speaker 1: Maybe shoot Clorox up your butt. I think that takes

1382
01:00:04,464 --> 01:00:04,744
Speaker 1: care of it.

1383
01:00:04,744 --> 01:00:07,844
Speaker 2: Shine a light inside of your body to put bleach

1384
01:00:07,884 --> 01:00:09,924
Speaker 2: in your system. Don't worry about it. Just do all

1385
01:00:09,964 --> 01:00:13,904
Speaker 2: these crazy things. Take crazy horse drugs, whatever.

1386
01:00:13,924 --> 01:00:14,584
Speaker 1: It'll be fine.

1387
01:00:14,604 --> 01:00:15,633
Speaker 2: Just reelect me is.

1388
01:00:15,674 --> 01:00:18,134
Speaker 1: What he's saying. Just know that I need to be

1389
01:00:18,154 --> 01:00:19,994
Speaker 1: president again because I'm trying to stop going to jail.

1390
01:00:20,194 --> 01:00:21,054
Speaker 2: Because I also need money.

1391
01:00:22,324 --> 01:00:25,464
Speaker 1: I didn't grift enough this time. So I need another

1392
01:00:25,484 --> 01:00:28,104
Speaker 1: four years to grift. And he's really showing us how

1393
01:00:28,144 --> 01:00:29,864
Speaker 1: much more effective he is at grifting this time.

1394
01:00:30,124 --> 01:00:31,804
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a machine. It's a well-oiled machine.

1395
01:00:31,824 --> 01:00:33,864
Speaker 1: It's a well-oiled machine. So we've talked a lot of

1396
01:00:33,924 --> 01:00:37,044
Speaker 1: doom and gloom about which I appreciate. It's so dark.

1397
01:00:37,204 --> 01:00:38,983
Speaker 1: It's dark, but as I appreciate, we need to be real.

1398
01:00:39,164 --> 01:00:42,624
Speaker 1: But the midterms are coming up. Yeah. Talk about what

1399
01:00:42,664 --> 01:00:43,974
Speaker 1: your thoughts are on the midterms.

1400
01:00:44,494 --> 01:00:47,654
Speaker 2: So I pray they're free and fair elections. I assume

1401
01:00:47,674 --> 01:00:51,014
Speaker 2: there will be lawsuits. The regime has already sued California.

1402
01:00:51,414 --> 01:00:55,044
Speaker 2: claiming they have 20,000 non-citizens on their voting rolls. It's

1403
01:00:55,044 --> 01:00:57,484
Speaker 2: 39 million people. If there were 20,000 on the voter rolls,

1404
01:00:57,504 --> 01:00:58,124
Speaker 2: it wouldn't make it in.

1405
01:00:58,144 --> 01:00:59,424
Speaker 1: They need to break it to you.

1406
01:00:59,704 --> 01:01:02,383
Speaker 2: But they're still claiming voter fraud in advance. I think

1407
01:01:02,424 --> 01:01:06,014
Speaker 2: that every loss by a Republican will be contested in court.

1408
01:01:06,454 --> 01:01:08,794
Speaker 2: I don't think that Mike Rogers will accept losing. I

1409
01:01:08,814 --> 01:01:11,234
Speaker 2: don't think that Ken Paxton will accept losing. I don't

1410
01:01:11,254 --> 01:01:13,664
Speaker 2: think any of them, if they lose, will accept it.

1411
01:01:14,034 --> 01:01:17,244
Speaker 2: I think that however these midterms go, if Republicans lose,

1412
01:01:17,614 --> 01:01:19,744
Speaker 2: we're going to be in court all the way through January.

1413
01:01:20,374 --> 01:01:21,804
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll accept it. I think they are

1414
01:01:21,904 --> 01:01:25,004
Speaker 2: trained now to not accept losing elections. They're trained to

1415
01:01:25,044 --> 01:01:27,863
Speaker 2: say election fraud. They're trained to try to confiscate the

1416
01:01:27,904 --> 01:01:30,604
Speaker 2: voter rolls. I think there will be likely, you know,

1417
01:01:30,764 --> 01:01:33,044
Speaker 2: armed people at the polls, unfortunately. I think it's going

1418
01:01:33,064 --> 01:01:36,034
Speaker 2: to be frightening. But I do think that between those

1419
01:01:36,094 --> 01:01:39,734
Speaker 2: gas prices, the lies about getting checks that Trump has

1420
01:01:39,774 --> 01:01:41,093
Speaker 2: lied and said he's going to send people checks that

1421
01:01:41,114 --> 01:01:44,644
Speaker 2: he never sent. The food prices, the energy prices, everything

1422
01:01:44,684 --> 01:01:48,084
Speaker 2: going up, the data centers, everything is... The war. The war.

1423
01:01:48,184 --> 01:01:49,064
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. The war in.

1424
01:01:49,024 --> 01:01:52,463
Speaker 2: Iran that's destroying the economy and also killing a lot

1425
01:01:52,484 --> 01:01:54,744
Speaker 2: of Iranians for no reason, destroying our bases in the

1426
01:01:54,784 --> 01:01:57,164
Speaker 2: Middle East. It's all bad for Republicans right now. All

1427
01:01:57,184 --> 01:01:59,624
Speaker 2: the signs say they're going to lose big, but they're

1428
01:01:59,664 --> 01:02:01,544
Speaker 2: not going to go down easy. And so I think

1429
01:02:01,564 --> 01:02:03,524
Speaker 2: you have to realize they are cornered. They are cornered

1430
01:02:03,564 --> 01:02:06,184
Speaker 2: in a corner. Trump is in a corner, and that's

1431
01:02:06,204 --> 01:02:08,823
Speaker 2: when they're the most dangerous. So fascism becomes the most

1432
01:02:08,864 --> 01:02:11,974
Speaker 2: dangerous when it's just about to lose... And I think

1433
01:02:11,994 --> 01:02:13,573
Speaker 2: they're set up to lose, so I think we need

1434
01:02:13,594 --> 01:02:16,734
Speaker 2: to keep our eyes open for danger. And I think

1435
01:02:16,774 --> 01:02:18,714
Speaker 2: if we get through this election and have a free

1436
01:02:18,734 --> 01:02:21,034
Speaker 2: and fair election, then it's going to be on the

1437
01:02:21,074 --> 01:02:24,653
Speaker 2: Democrats to actually do something with the power. The biggest

1438
01:02:24,774 --> 01:02:26,854
Speaker 2: complaint I have about Democrats is they don't know how

1439
01:02:26,874 --> 01:02:29,874
Speaker 2: to use power. They're very shameful about using power. They

1440
01:02:29,894 --> 01:02:32,394
Speaker 2: better use that power like he did, not to grift.

1441
01:02:32,414 --> 01:02:35,454
Speaker 1: That's what I say. I feel like Republicans, let's go

1442
01:02:35,514 --> 01:02:37,854
Speaker 1: back to George W. Bush and Reagan, they drive the

1443
01:02:37,894 --> 01:02:41,073
Speaker 1: country crazy. like they rented it without the insurance and

1444
01:02:41,354 --> 01:02:43,944
Speaker 1: they don't give a shit. Like they rented a car

1445
01:02:43,964 --> 01:02:45,244
Speaker 1: without it and they're like, I'm just.

1446
01:02:45,264 --> 01:02:45,984
Speaker 2: No matter.

1447
01:02:46,004 --> 01:02:49,944
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No matter. And Democrats always drive like

1448
01:02:49,964 --> 01:02:52,184
Speaker 1: they're afraid they're going to get a ticket. They're always

1449
01:02:52,204 --> 01:02:53,484
Speaker 1: driving below the speed limit.

1450
01:02:53,524 --> 01:02:54,064
Speaker 2: Listen.

1451
01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:54,984
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're always.

1452
01:02:55,004 --> 01:02:57,134
Speaker 2: They're like an elderly person in the speeding lane.

1453
01:02:57,154 --> 01:02:59,274
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 10 and 2 in the speed... In

1454
01:02:59,294 --> 01:03:02,634
Speaker 1: the fast lane going 54. Beep, beep, beep. Yeah, yeah.

1455
01:03:02,654 --> 01:03:04,674
Speaker 2: They're just like little... It's like so embarrassing.

1456
01:03:04,734 --> 01:03:04,934
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1457
01:03:05,054 --> 01:03:07,874
Speaker 2: And it's like, I fear that if Democrats... Take the

1458
01:03:07,894 --> 01:03:12,694
Speaker 2: House and Senate and then don't make significant change. 2028,

1459
01:03:12,694 --> 01:03:18,414
Speaker 2: we get Hitler. We get straight up unabashed Hitler. So,

1460
01:03:18,434 --> 01:03:21,193
Speaker 2: I mean, because, you know, fascism is almost always followed

1461
01:03:21,214 --> 01:03:24,093
Speaker 2: by socialism or at least a bend toward a socialism.

1462
01:03:24,534 --> 01:03:27,594
Speaker 2: You know, you know, the extreme fascism of this moment

1463
01:03:27,944 --> 01:03:31,304
Speaker 2: is probably going to. it logically will breed a more,

1464
01:03:31,534 --> 01:03:34,474
Speaker 2: and I shouldn't say social, like social democracy. In order

1465
01:03:34,494 --> 01:03:36,814
Speaker 2: to fight fascism and stop it, you're going to need

1466
01:03:37,094 --> 01:03:39,714
Speaker 2: a heavy dose of social democracy, meaning we're going to

1467
01:03:39,734 --> 01:03:43,094
Speaker 2: need Medicare for all. We are the only modern country

1468
01:03:43,114 --> 01:03:44,594
Speaker 2: in the world where you can't go to the doctor

1469
01:03:44,634 --> 01:03:46,314
Speaker 2: without going bankrupt.

1470
01:03:46,474 --> 01:03:49,474
Speaker 1: Yeah, we look like clowns.

1471
01:03:49,634 --> 01:03:50,954
Speaker 2: We look stupid.

1472
01:03:50,974 --> 01:03:51,633
Speaker 1: What's that getting you?

1473
01:03:51,854 --> 01:03:52,154
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1474
01:03:52,214 --> 01:03:53,334
Speaker 1: In high insurance premiums.

1475
01:03:53,394 --> 01:03:55,854
Speaker 2: High insurance, a broken country where our roads look like crap.

1476
01:03:55,894 --> 01:03:59,264
Speaker 2: It looks like a third world country. Our roads are

1477
01:03:59,364 --> 01:04:02,744
Speaker 2: physically falling apart as a nation. Japan has fabulous super

1478
01:04:02,784 --> 01:04:06,484
Speaker 2: trains and it's clean. We're looking like an old, decrepit

1479
01:04:08,124 --> 01:04:11,673
Speaker 2: geyser as a country, even though we're young. And so

1480
01:04:11,734 --> 01:04:15,514
Speaker 2: we need a dramatic shift. And Democrats are going to

1481
01:04:15,534 --> 01:04:17,414
Speaker 2: be responsible for making that dramatic shift happen.

1482
01:04:17,434 --> 01:04:22,144
Speaker 1: And a dramatic shift of infrastructure and systems, not a

1483
01:04:22,204 --> 01:04:24,234
Speaker 1: dramatic shift of power. New logos.

1484
01:04:24,634 --> 01:04:26,794
Speaker 2: Not new logos and not a lot of talk. And

1485
01:04:26,854 --> 01:04:28,594
Speaker 2: we know we're going to have hearings. We appreciate that.

1486
01:04:28,864 --> 01:04:30,204
Speaker 2: But there needs to be a shift in policy.

1487
01:04:30,224 --> 01:04:33,044
Speaker 1: There needs to be accountability at some point.

1488
01:04:33,064 --> 01:04:34,524
Speaker 2: They have to stop these wars. They actually have to

1489
01:04:34,564 --> 01:04:37,604
Speaker 2: turn off the spigot on the Iran war. We have

1490
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Speaker 2: to shut that down. Americans, I'm sorry. I don't care

1491
01:04:40,724 --> 01:04:43,224
Speaker 2: how much you love Israel in your heart. You should

1492
01:04:43,244 --> 01:04:44,684
Speaker 2: donate to it. We are no.

1493
01:04:44,564 --> 01:04:46,844
Speaker 1: Longer going to give them. Let them open a GoFundMe.

1494
01:04:47,154 --> 01:04:50,054
Speaker 2: Open a GoFundMe. But we need the money here. We

1495
01:04:50,094 --> 01:04:52,274
Speaker 2: actually need the money back here. We're going to have

1496
01:04:52,294 --> 01:04:54,284
Speaker 2: to stop that. And I think you're going to have

1497
01:04:54,324 --> 01:04:58,653
Speaker 2: to have Democrats dramatically uptick the accountability. I know they

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01:04:58,674 --> 01:05:00,154
Speaker 2: cannot put him in prison. We do not have a

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01:05:00,174 --> 01:05:02,633
Speaker 2: Justice Department. The poor FBI came and found that poor

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01:05:02,654 --> 01:05:06,874
Speaker 2: lady from Today Show Mama. Yeah, they completely failed the

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01:05:06,934 --> 01:05:09,694
Speaker 2: Nolan Wells family. They're just failures. So we don't have

1502
01:05:09,754 --> 01:05:11,324
Speaker 2: an FBI. We don't have a Justice Department. We get it.

1503
01:05:11,694 --> 01:05:13,613
Speaker 2: But Democrats, figure out some way to hold these people

1504
01:05:13,634 --> 01:05:16,634
Speaker 2: accountable and stop the steal. Stop them from stealing our money.

1505
01:05:17,074 --> 01:05:18,414
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop the steal.

1506
01:05:18,434 --> 01:05:20,554
Speaker 2: Stop the steal. And stop it. Elon Musk doesn't need

1507
01:05:20,574 --> 01:05:22,633
Speaker 2: any more money. We've made him a trillionaire with our money.

1508
01:05:23,274 --> 01:05:25,093
Speaker 2: Our money is making Palantir rich.

1509
01:05:25,134 --> 01:05:26,944
Speaker 1: Socialism has made him a trillionaire. Correct.

1510
01:05:26,984 --> 01:05:29,044
Speaker 2: And so we're sick of Palantir getting our money. We're

1511
01:05:29,064 --> 01:05:31,144
Speaker 2: sick of the flock cameras getting our money. We're sick

1512
01:05:31,184 --> 01:05:33,244
Speaker 2: of Peter Thiel getting our money. We don't want none

1513
01:05:33,284 --> 01:05:35,284
Speaker 2: of these people. Take it all from these AI people.

1514
01:05:35,324 --> 01:05:39,133
Speaker 2: Let them innovate like entrepreneurs, like the rest of us.

1515
01:05:39,244 --> 01:05:41,994
Speaker 2: They shouldn't get any more tax, not another dime of

1516
01:05:42,034 --> 01:05:44,154
Speaker 2: tax money to these people. They're rich enough.

1517
01:05:46,554 --> 01:05:50,174
Speaker 1: So, but that's a long way to say vote. Please.

1518
01:05:50,374 --> 01:05:50,914
Speaker 1: In the midterms.

1519
01:05:50,934 --> 01:05:51,593
Speaker 2: We beg of you.

1520
01:05:51,774 --> 01:05:51,914
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1521
01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:55,943
Speaker 2: Because the thing to me that's the craziest that they've done,

1522
01:05:56,044 --> 01:05:58,404
Speaker 2: including to a lot of our people, is to convince

1523
01:05:58,504 --> 01:06:01,084
Speaker 2: us that the one thing we could do to own

1524
01:06:01,144 --> 01:06:03,863
Speaker 2: our government is not worth it. They've convinced us that

1525
01:06:03,904 --> 01:06:06,474
Speaker 2: it's not worth trying to be the boss of these people.

1526
01:06:06,824 --> 01:06:10,374
Speaker 2: Just let someone else do it. And if you're letting

1527
01:06:10,474 --> 01:06:14,254
Speaker 2: the worst people, the dumbest people, the cruelest people decide

1528
01:06:14,334 --> 01:06:18,354
Speaker 2: for you, we've got to get back the basic belief

1529
01:06:18,714 --> 01:06:21,134
Speaker 2: that we're in charge of the government. And that we,

1530
01:06:21,244 --> 01:06:23,524
Speaker 2: in order to be in charge, we need to hire them. Like,

1531
01:06:23,544 --> 01:06:25,343
Speaker 2: would you have a business and say, let somebody else

1532
01:06:25,364 --> 01:06:27,464
Speaker 2: figure out who's going to work for me? Would you

1533
01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:29,144
Speaker 2: do that? And then say, you know, and then if

1534
01:06:29,164 --> 01:06:31,144
Speaker 2: the person working for you isn't doing their job, say,

1535
01:06:31,184 --> 01:06:32,264
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not even going to fire them.

1536
01:06:32,304 --> 01:06:34,584
Speaker 2: Let somebody else deal with it. No, you would fire

1537
01:06:34,624 --> 01:06:36,343
Speaker 2: the people who are not doing their job and you

1538
01:06:36,364 --> 01:06:38,904
Speaker 2: would hire better people. This election is our chance to

1539
01:06:39,024 --> 01:06:41,684
Speaker 2: fire the people not doing their job and hire better people.

1540
01:06:41,704 --> 01:06:44,843
Speaker 1: For sure. And as you said, you know, thinking about

1541
01:06:44,884 --> 01:06:47,844
Speaker 1: like Ken Paxton in Texas, Texas is and Greg Abbott

1542
01:06:47,904 --> 01:06:51,554
Speaker 1: have been perfecting voter suppression and voter fraud, you know, to,

1543
01:06:51,834 --> 01:06:55,134
Speaker 1: you know, putting the polling places, moving them around or

1544
01:06:55,314 --> 01:06:57,014
Speaker 1: putting one in a place where you need like 20

1545
01:06:57,014 --> 01:06:59,314
Speaker 1: or something. So, and then you think about Angie Nixon

1546
01:06:59,354 --> 01:07:01,994
Speaker 1: in Florida, like Florida is a, I mean, I, I

1547
01:07:02,054 --> 01:07:04,284
Speaker 1: hope for her and I support her. And, but also

1548
01:07:04,844 --> 01:07:05,644
Speaker 1: it's Florida, Jake.

1549
01:07:05,844 --> 01:07:09,984
Speaker 4: But this might be, I mean, this is the one

1550
01:07:10,844 --> 01:07:15,754
Speaker 4: window of opportunity to get back Mississippi, Florida and, Kentucky

1551
01:07:15,794 --> 01:07:19,113
Speaker 4: Senate race, Charles Booker, who I just listened to the

1552
01:07:19,134 --> 01:07:19,834
Speaker 4: debate the other night.

1553
01:07:20,234 --> 01:07:22,874
Speaker 2: He did a great job. Texas, which would be game

1554
01:07:23,114 --> 01:07:25,804
Speaker 2: over for Republicans in 2028. So it's like if you

1555
01:07:25,964 --> 01:07:27,644
Speaker 2: really want to make it to the camera, if you

1556
01:07:27,724 --> 01:07:29,804
Speaker 2: really want to make a difference and ensure that they

1557
01:07:29,824 --> 01:07:32,284
Speaker 2: cannot turn us into a fascist hellhole, we need to

1558
01:07:32,304 --> 01:07:34,604
Speaker 2: win all them states. And they could. I mean, Kansas

1559
01:07:34,644 --> 01:07:37,534
Speaker 2: is on the table. Iowa is on the table. Alaska

1560
01:07:37,574 --> 01:07:39,114
Speaker 2: is on the table. It's all on the table.

1561
01:07:39,214 --> 01:07:40,834
Speaker 1: If people vote. Kansas being on the table is wild.

1562
01:07:40,934 --> 01:07:41,214
Speaker 5: Wild.

1563
01:07:41,234 --> 01:07:44,113
Speaker 1: Kansas is red, red, red, redder than It's one of

1564
01:07:44,134 --> 01:07:45,414
Speaker 1: those sneaky red states.

1565
01:07:45,514 --> 01:07:46,253
Speaker 2: It's Red Dead Redemption.

1566
01:07:46,274 --> 01:07:48,674
Speaker 1: You don't think about it. You don't think about Candace. Ohio, too.

1567
01:07:48,724 --> 01:07:52,344
Speaker 2: Ramaswamy is, like, literally mocking a woman for being sexually

1568
01:07:52,384 --> 01:07:53,704
Speaker 2: abused by her stepfather.

1569
01:07:53,784 --> 01:07:56,224
Speaker 1: I think he bet against himself on Kalshi. I think

1570
01:07:56,244 --> 01:07:58,504
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. This is a scam where he bet

1571
01:07:58,544 --> 01:08:00,343
Speaker 1: against himself winning, and he's like, I got to make

1572
01:08:00,364 --> 01:08:02,124
Speaker 1: sure I don't win. I got to make sure. Let

1573
01:08:02,144 --> 01:08:04,023
Speaker 1: me just do the worst, grossest thing I could do

1574
01:08:04,404 --> 01:08:07,474
Speaker 1: and get my— My opponent is a strange mom who

1575
01:08:07,514 --> 01:08:11,034
Speaker 1: clearly has issues to rely on her on camera.

1576
01:08:11,094 --> 01:08:15,284
Speaker 2: It is wild. It's like the worst testimonial ever. You

1577
01:08:15,324 --> 01:08:18,704
Speaker 2: pick the woman who apparently was a terrible mother who

1578
01:08:18,784 --> 01:08:21,804
Speaker 2: allowed her boyfriend to sexually abuse her child.

1579
01:08:21,864 --> 01:08:23,984
Speaker 1: Her boyfriend had already been accused once before of sexual assault.

1580
01:08:24,364 --> 01:08:26,524
Speaker 2: And have them live in a tent. That's the lady

1581
01:08:26,564 --> 01:08:28,924
Speaker 2: that's going to be your big closing argument?

1582
01:08:29,844 --> 01:08:31,814
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, again, check his calci record. I think

1583
01:08:31,834 --> 01:08:32,774
Speaker 1: he's bet against himself.

1584
01:08:32,834 --> 01:08:34,694
Speaker 2: I feel like between that and saying Americans are not

1585
01:08:34,714 --> 01:08:36,384
Speaker 2: qualified for jobs, like, he shouldn't win.

1586
01:08:36,544 --> 01:08:40,284
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just, like, the most sort of, like, cartoon...

1587
01:08:40,344 --> 01:08:43,804
Speaker 1: evil billionaire like just it just thinks he's a man

1588
01:08:43,844 --> 01:08:45,954
Speaker 1: of the people even the even when he like does

1589
01:08:45,964 --> 01:08:48,294
Speaker 1: the pretend workouts oh my god i mean either workout

1590
01:08:48,334 --> 01:08:50,594
Speaker 1: or no workout right neither one makes you a better

1591
01:08:50,634 --> 01:08:53,434
Speaker 1: person no but don't do a pretend like i just

1592
01:08:53,774 --> 01:08:57,204
Speaker 1: i just finished 400 like chin-ups anyway.

1593
01:08:56,964 --> 01:09:00,224
Speaker 2: Anyway yeah between him and jd vance i fear for ohio.

1594
01:09:00,024 --> 01:09:02,924
Speaker 1: Like are they just turning out assholes they are there

1595
01:09:02,944 --> 01:09:04,904
Speaker 1: is certainly an issue there is certainly an issue yeah

1596
01:09:04,924 --> 01:09:08,104
Speaker 1: something's happening in we talk about Florida we don't know

1597
01:09:08,124 --> 01:09:10,614
Speaker 1: if we talk about Ohio and what's going on.

1598
01:09:10,534 --> 01:09:14,144
Speaker 2: I feel like if the right refuses to recognize trans

1599
01:09:14,164 --> 01:09:16,584
Speaker 2: people's new identity, I think we should not recognize John

1600
01:09:16,624 --> 01:09:19,284
Speaker 2: Donald Hamel's identity. I think he's just John Donald Hamel

1601
01:09:19,304 --> 01:09:21,044
Speaker 2: or whatever his name was on his birth certificate.

1602
01:09:21,104 --> 01:09:23,674
Speaker 1: I'm going by that. I don't care what he calls himself. Yeah,

1603
01:09:23,714 --> 01:09:25,054
Speaker 1: not James Douglas or whatever.

1604
01:09:25,094 --> 01:09:28,994
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's John Donald Hamel or something. That's his name.

1605
01:09:29,014 --> 01:09:30,754
Speaker 1: That's his name. if we're not going to recognize trans people,

1606
01:09:30,774 --> 01:09:33,114
Speaker 1: then you can't do all that gender affirming care with the,

1607
01:09:33,294 --> 01:09:36,684
Speaker 1: with the man scar or whatever they call it. And

1608
01:09:36,884 --> 01:09:37,904
Speaker 1: you got to take that beard off. We know you

1609
01:09:37,924 --> 01:09:41,244
Speaker 1: ain't got a chin. We know. Stop trying to man

1610
01:09:41,284 --> 01:09:42,644
Speaker 1: it up with the beard. If you don't want to

1611
01:09:42,664 --> 01:09:44,184
Speaker 1: recognize trans people, you gotta take that.

1612
01:09:44,224 --> 01:09:47,004
Speaker 2: Your little doughy face. Show your real doughy face.

1613
01:09:47,034 --> 01:09:50,744
Speaker 1: Look like the eight year old. You look, you are. Yeah. Uh,

1614
01:09:51,044 --> 01:09:53,214
Speaker 1: I ask everybody if there's a charity or cause they

1615
01:09:53,384 --> 01:09:55,374
Speaker 1: want people to support or know about. Is there anything

1616
01:09:55,384 --> 01:09:56,034
Speaker 1: you want to share?

1617
01:09:56,164 --> 01:09:57,534
Speaker 2: Oh my God, I love that. So, you know, my

1618
01:09:57,574 --> 01:10:00,434
Speaker 2: mother died of metastatic breast cancer. So whenever I'm asked this,

1619
01:10:00,474 --> 01:10:02,954
Speaker 2: I always say American Cancer Society, because I feel like

1620
01:10:03,134 --> 01:10:05,554
Speaker 2: it is crazy that in the year of our Lord, 2026,

1621
01:10:05,554 --> 01:10:08,114
Speaker 2: in the modern era, you know, men, women are still

1622
01:10:08,154 --> 01:10:10,794
Speaker 2: dying of cancer. So I, you know, and anything with

1623
01:10:10,834 --> 01:10:13,754
Speaker 2: breast cancer awareness, I'm always down with it. And, you know,

1624
01:10:14,034 --> 01:10:15,734
Speaker 2: we have got to, you know, well, one thing I

1625
01:10:15,754 --> 01:10:17,534
Speaker 2: will give, I'm going to give Joe Biden his flowers

1626
01:10:17,554 --> 01:10:20,254
Speaker 2: for The cancer moonshot, which, of course, has been canceled

1627
01:10:20,264 --> 01:10:23,014
Speaker 2: by the current regime. We've got to find an answer

1628
01:10:23,034 --> 01:10:25,534
Speaker 2: to this. Too many people are dying young. It should

1629
01:10:25,614 --> 01:10:27,854
Speaker 2: not happen. And so, you know, I pray that we

1630
01:10:27,894 --> 01:10:29,254
Speaker 2: can figure out a way. It needs money.

1631
01:10:29,514 --> 01:10:32,554
Speaker 1: That's a good one. I had my guest, Sarah Siner,

1632
01:10:32,574 --> 01:10:34,494
Speaker 1: was on an earlier episode, and she talked about her

1633
01:10:34,694 --> 01:10:37,714
Speaker 1: journey with breast cancer and breast cancer research funds.

1634
01:10:37,814 --> 01:10:39,934
Speaker 2: And it's wild because I am now the age my

1635
01:10:39,994 --> 01:10:42,374
Speaker 2: mother was when she died. So I'm like, it's a

1636
01:10:42,474 --> 01:10:43,644
Speaker 2: weird time, a weird.

1637
01:10:43,664 --> 01:10:44,384
Speaker 1: Like, weird time.

1638
01:10:44,914 --> 01:10:47,334
Speaker 2: Feeling to be like, oh, my God, this is what

1639
01:10:47,374 --> 01:10:50,104
Speaker 2: she was going through in life. Like, this is the

1640
01:10:50,144 --> 01:10:50,624
Speaker 2: life she.

1641
01:10:50,564 --> 01:10:52,784
Speaker 1: Was leading at this age. The age she was.

1642
01:10:52,944 --> 01:10:53,584
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1643
01:10:54,024 --> 01:10:56,784
Speaker 1: My last question, the podcast is called Who's With Me. Joy,

1644
01:10:56,844 --> 01:10:57,344
Speaker 1: are you with me?

1645
01:10:57,744 --> 01:10:58,744
Speaker 2: I'm with you, my brother.

1646
01:10:58,764 --> 01:10:59,284
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.

1647
01:10:59,304 --> 01:11:01,184
Speaker 2: But wait, only if you tell me where Kamau comes from.

1648
01:11:01,224 --> 01:11:02,294
Speaker 2: Where does the origin of this thing?

1649
01:11:02,314 --> 01:11:03,934
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. We should start talking about that. Okay,

1650
01:11:03,954 --> 01:11:07,614
Speaker 1: so I will tell you that. So I was born

1651
01:11:07,994 --> 01:11:11,574
Speaker 1: in Stanford Hospital because my mom was in grad school there.

1652
01:11:12,074 --> 01:11:14,174
Speaker 1: It's a long story. She was in grad school, did

1653
01:11:14,194 --> 01:11:18,164
Speaker 1: her PhD in English literature, and she wanted a concentration

1654
01:11:18,184 --> 01:11:20,544
Speaker 1: in African-American literature, but they did not feel like that

1655
01:11:20,564 --> 01:11:23,284
Speaker 1: was a valid field of study at the time. This

1656
01:11:23,404 --> 01:11:25,604
Speaker 1: is 73. So she dropped out because she didn't want

1657
01:11:25,644 --> 01:11:28,484
Speaker 1: a lesser degree, a lesser PhD. So she's definitely got

1658
01:11:28,504 --> 01:11:31,534
Speaker 1: the qualifications to be a PhD, Stanford. Where's that PhD?

1659
01:11:31,634 --> 01:11:34,854
Speaker 1: I've asked for it several times. But my mom and

1660
01:11:34,874 --> 01:11:37,774
Speaker 1: dad met, they were living in East Palo Alto, which

1661
01:11:37,794 --> 01:11:41,014
Speaker 1: at the time, I that they were really fans of

1662
01:11:41,034 --> 01:11:44,964
Speaker 1: the Kenyan independence movement. So they were calling, they tried

1663
01:11:44,974 --> 01:11:48,484
Speaker 1: to rename East Palo Alto Little Nairobi. So babies were

1664
01:11:48,524 --> 01:11:51,044
Speaker 1: being born. My mom and dad had taken on African names,

1665
01:11:51,064 --> 01:11:53,764
Speaker 1: not legally, but like amongst their tribe. And from what

1666
01:11:53,784 --> 01:11:55,644
Speaker 1: they say, I was the first baby born into this

1667
01:11:55,684 --> 01:11:59,724
Speaker 1: tribe of black folks in Little Nairobi. And so Kamau

1668
01:11:59,784 --> 01:12:02,724
Speaker 1: is a Kenyan name, which means quiet warrior. Like the

1669
01:12:02,744 --> 01:12:05,384
Speaker 1: Mau Mau's is a warrior. So Kamau is quiet warrior

1670
01:12:05,884 --> 01:12:09,734
Speaker 1: or silent warrior. And Naming a kid Kamau in Kenya

1671
01:12:09,794 --> 01:12:11,794
Speaker 1: is like naming a kid like Michael here. It's a

1672
01:12:11,854 --> 01:12:15,254
Speaker 1: very common last name. It's because it's a member of

1673
01:12:15,274 --> 01:12:16,964
Speaker 1: the tribe. So when I got to do it in

1674
01:12:16,974 --> 01:12:20,414
Speaker 1: Kenya with Anthony Bourdain, Kenyans were all like, you clearly

1675
01:12:20,444 --> 01:12:22,324
Speaker 1: aren't Kenyan, so where'd you get this name from? And

1676
01:12:22,344 --> 01:12:24,564
Speaker 1: then I would tell them, okay, I got made an

1677
01:12:24,604 --> 01:12:25,984
Speaker 1: honorary Kenyan several times.

1678
01:12:26,424 --> 01:12:28,544
Speaker 2: First of all, I love this, and I'm so jealous

1679
01:12:28,564 --> 01:12:32,564
Speaker 2: you got to meet my idol in everything, Anthony Bourdain.

1680
01:12:32,864 --> 01:12:35,554
Speaker 2: Best TV show ever made, I will honor Kenyan. I

1681
01:12:35,594 --> 01:12:38,754
Speaker 2: will say, is Anthony Bourdain, No Reservations. There's never been

1682
01:12:38,774 --> 01:12:40,584
Speaker 2: a show better than that, even though you made a

1683
01:12:40,594 --> 01:12:40,914
Speaker 2: great show.

1684
01:12:41,164 --> 01:12:41,804
Speaker 1: No, no, no.

1685
01:12:41,884 --> 01:12:44,384
Speaker 2: And look, I make shows too, but I'm telling you,

1686
01:12:44,404 --> 01:12:44,914
Speaker 2: he was number one.

1687
01:12:44,924 --> 01:12:47,044
Speaker 1: He did a thing that only he could do. And

1688
01:12:47,444 --> 01:12:48,504
Speaker 1: I got to work with a lot of his people

1689
01:12:48,544 --> 01:12:49,904
Speaker 1: in the latter season of The United Shades when he

1690
01:12:49,944 --> 01:12:50,484
Speaker 1: worked that show.

1691
01:12:50,604 --> 01:12:50,904
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1692
01:12:50,924 --> 01:12:53,994
Speaker 1: And you could really see that crew really understood who

1693
01:12:54,034 --> 01:12:56,554
Speaker 1: he was and how to let him succeed. And yeah, no,

1694
01:12:56,594 --> 01:12:58,094
Speaker 1: for sure. There are things in my life, and I'm

1695
01:12:58,114 --> 01:12:59,854
Speaker 1: sure you have these things where it's like, on your

1696
01:12:59,894 --> 01:13:02,234
Speaker 1: worst day of getting called, whatever, dragged on the internet,

1697
01:13:02,254 --> 01:13:03,394
Speaker 1: you can be like, yeah, but.

1698
01:13:03,914 --> 01:13:05,694
Speaker 2: I've done some things and.

1699
01:13:05,594 --> 01:13:08,034
Speaker 1: Going to Kenya with board aid is like, you can

1700
01:13:08,074 --> 01:13:09,734
Speaker 1: say a lot of things about me, but you don't

1701
01:13:09,774 --> 01:13:10,134
Speaker 1: got that.

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01:13:10,534 --> 01:13:12,904
Speaker 2: You don't got that. Well, W come out bell. I

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01:13:13,014 --> 01:13:13,504
Speaker 2: am with you.

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01:13:13,824 --> 01:13:34,184
Speaker 1: Thank you. Hey, The Joy Reid interview is over, but

1705
01:13:34,224 --> 01:13:37,624
Speaker 1: we're not done yet. This is the superstar, spectacular, spectacular,

1706
01:13:39,124 --> 01:13:42,314
Speaker 1: midterm spectacular. I keep renaming it. So there's another interview

1707
01:13:42,354 --> 01:13:45,014
Speaker 1: coming because we need to pack in the democracy and

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01:13:45,034 --> 01:13:49,094
Speaker 1: the righteousness into this midterm spectacular. You can listen to

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01:13:49,134 --> 01:13:51,994
Speaker 1: this while you're at the polling place. Maybe there's a

1710
01:13:51,994 --> 01:13:54,314
Speaker 1: long line. You can listen to this episode or watch

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01:13:54,334 --> 01:13:56,514
Speaker 1: it while you're in line. So now we have a

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01:13:56,614 --> 01:14:00,544
Speaker 1: short interview with Angie Nixon, Senate Florida candidate, who has

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01:14:00,624 --> 01:14:03,234
Speaker 1: been working in Florida politics for a while now, but

1714
01:14:03,254 --> 01:14:06,234
Speaker 1: is really on the hunt for that Florida Senate seat.

1715
01:14:06,434 --> 01:14:08,734
Speaker 1: And as a black woman in Florida who's a Democrat,

1716
01:14:09,074 --> 01:14:11,614
Speaker 1: that is a lot to take on, but she is

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01:14:11,714 --> 01:14:14,754
Speaker 1: not scurred at all. She will clap back at you

1718
01:14:14,774 --> 01:14:16,674
Speaker 1: on social media if you say the wrong thing. It

1719
01:14:16,704 --> 01:14:18,544
Speaker 1: was great to talk to her. Again, she was busy,

1720
01:14:18,584 --> 01:14:20,644
Speaker 1: so this is not the normal situation set up of

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01:14:20,704 --> 01:14:23,344
Speaker 1: a podcast, but I wanted you to hear from Angie Nixon.

1722
01:14:23,364 --> 01:14:25,204
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of great candidates to support. You

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01:14:25,244 --> 01:14:26,864
Speaker 1: may not live in these places, but you can support

1724
01:14:26,904 --> 01:14:31,044
Speaker 1: these people. We have a governor's race in California. So

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01:14:31,084 --> 01:14:36,124
Speaker 1: we got Javier Becerra there. You got Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan.

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01:14:36,954 --> 01:14:41,994
Speaker 1: You got James Tallarico in Texas. You got Amy Acton

1727
01:14:42,514 --> 01:14:46,494
Speaker 1: in Ohio, who's running against Vivek Ramaswamy, who I think

1728
01:14:46,694 --> 01:14:50,124
Speaker 1: he's got a medical condition called being the worst Vivek Ramaswamy.

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01:14:50,144 --> 01:14:52,584
Speaker 1: So let's have empathy for him because he's been medically

1730
01:14:52,624 --> 01:14:55,304
Speaker 1: diagnosed with being the worst. So the great thing about

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01:14:55,324 --> 01:14:58,124
Speaker 1: this is because We're allowed to support candidates even in

1732
01:14:58,164 --> 01:15:00,304
Speaker 1: areas where not. If you got some extra funds, you

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01:15:00,324 --> 01:15:02,704
Speaker 1: can support one of these candidates. I would say Angie

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01:15:02,744 --> 01:15:05,844
Speaker 1: Nixon in Florida. We're talking to her today. Yeah, it's

1735
01:15:05,864 --> 01:15:08,994
Speaker 1: a great conversation once we settled into it. Please enjoy

1736
01:15:09,034 --> 01:15:13,454
Speaker 1: this conversation with Angie Nixon, Senate Florida candidate. What made

1737
01:15:13,474 --> 01:15:17,054
Speaker 1: you feel like the call to be a part of politics?

1738
01:15:17,074 --> 01:15:18,754
Speaker 1: Because as you know, it's an ugly business as you've

1739
01:15:18,774 --> 01:15:21,744
Speaker 1: seen even in your campaign. What made you decide to

1740
01:15:21,794 --> 01:15:22,644
Speaker 1: be in politics?

1741
01:15:23,184 --> 01:15:25,344
Speaker 3: I think it's important to know that I actually ran

1742
01:15:25,384 --> 01:15:28,834
Speaker 3: for city council back in 2008 because I was a

1743
01:15:28,854 --> 01:15:32,054
Speaker 3: single mom at the time. And I felt like the

1744
01:15:32,094 --> 01:15:37,404
Speaker 3: people weren't having conversations or highlighting some of the issues

1745
01:15:37,824 --> 01:15:42,864
Speaker 3: that the younger generation was going through. And so I

1746
01:15:43,084 --> 01:15:45,374
Speaker 3: remember my platform, like my motto was.

1747
01:15:45,334 --> 01:15:47,224
Speaker 5: Like, building bridges.

1748
01:15:47,964 --> 01:15:51,074
Speaker 3: And I did go in, but it really opened up

1749
01:15:51,094 --> 01:15:53,094
Speaker 3: a lot of doors for me. And I learned about

1750
01:15:53,134 --> 01:15:57,294
Speaker 3: community organizing and advocacy. And so when it, in terms

1751
01:15:57,374 --> 01:16:01,214
Speaker 3: of in 2020, The reason that I ran for office

1752
01:16:01,274 --> 01:16:04,594
Speaker 3: in 2020 was because there was a woman who was

1753
01:16:05,094 --> 01:16:10,004
Speaker 3: a Democrat and she was not actually working for the people.

1754
01:16:10,164 --> 01:16:13,544
Speaker 3: She actually said things like she thanks God for slavery.

1755
01:16:13,554 --> 01:16:15,604
Speaker 3: If it wasn't for slavery, she would be somewhere in

1756
01:16:15,724 --> 01:16:19,064
Speaker 3: Africa worshiping a tree. She would have said some things

1757
01:16:19,104 --> 01:16:24,384
Speaker 3: that could be taken to have been anti-Semitic and she

1758
01:16:24,424 --> 01:16:30,834
Speaker 3: was very homophobic and transphobic and I did not want

1759
01:16:30,914 --> 01:16:33,894
Speaker 3: that type of person representing me in my community. And

1760
01:16:33,914 --> 01:16:35,494
Speaker 3: so I tried to find a whole bunch of people

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01:16:35,514 --> 01:16:40,964
Speaker 3: to run against her, but she was like a two-term incumbent.

1762
01:16:40,484 --> 01:16:42,444
Speaker 5: And she had previously been on city council.

1763
01:16:42,504 --> 01:16:45,144
Speaker 3: And every time people ran against her, they lost and

1764
01:16:45,184 --> 01:16:46,664
Speaker 3: no one wanted to run against her. And I said,

1765
01:16:46,684 --> 01:16:49,744
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to run. And I did

1766
01:16:49,824 --> 01:16:51,324
Speaker 3: and I won.

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Speaker 5: And the rest is history.

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01:16:52,844 --> 01:16:56,454
Speaker 3: I have, for some reason, I like to take out

1769
01:16:56,494 --> 01:17:01,464
Speaker 3: incumbents and so take on the establishment and take on just,

1770
01:17:02,224 --> 01:17:07,474
Speaker 3: you know, people who have nefarious interests things in their background.

1771
01:17:07,574 --> 01:17:09,734
Speaker 5: And so that's why I am here today.

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01:17:09,794 --> 01:17:13,374
Speaker 3: And I'm looking, I am excited to unseat this incumbent

1773
01:17:13,414 --> 01:17:13,944
Speaker 3: as well.

1774
01:17:14,374 --> 01:17:16,264
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to know, cause I wasn't aware

1775
01:17:16,284 --> 01:17:17,704
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, I didn't do my homework better that

1776
01:17:17,724 --> 01:17:20,204
Speaker 1: you lost in 2008. How do you come back from

1777
01:17:20,244 --> 01:17:22,304
Speaker 1: a loss? I think that's an important thing to tell people.

1778
01:17:22,344 --> 01:17:24,084
Speaker 1: Cause you know, a lot of, if a lot of

1779
01:17:24,104 --> 01:17:26,184
Speaker 1: people would run for office and lose and be like, well,

1780
01:17:26,254 --> 01:17:28,034
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not a politician, but how did you,

1781
01:17:28,174 --> 01:17:30,214
Speaker 1: how did you come back from that loss? What did

1782
01:17:30,234 --> 01:17:30,794
Speaker 1: you learn from it?

1783
01:17:31,054 --> 01:17:32,994
Speaker 3: What I learned from that loss is that you have

1784
01:17:33,014 --> 01:17:35,794
Speaker 3: to really be rooted in community and You have to

1785
01:17:35,854 --> 01:17:39,634
Speaker 3: go and talk to more people, build community and relationships

1786
01:17:39,654 --> 01:17:40,194
Speaker 3: with people.

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01:17:40,214 --> 01:17:41,634
Speaker 5: And so I pride.

1788
01:17:41,414 --> 01:17:44,774
Speaker 3: Myself on being an aggregator and bringing people together and

1789
01:17:44,954 --> 01:17:49,444
Speaker 3: building diverse coalitions all across the state now. And so

1790
01:17:49,594 --> 01:17:53,624
Speaker 3: I didn't have strong roots as much as I do now, right?

1791
01:17:53,684 --> 01:17:56,363
Speaker 3: That was because I was coming fresh out of college.

1792
01:17:56,824 --> 01:17:58,104
Speaker 3: And so now, like.

1793
01:17:58,184 --> 01:17:59,344
Speaker 5: I was able to.

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01:18:01,404 --> 01:18:05,064
Speaker 3: Put my roots in, not just in my hometown, Jacksonville, Florida,

1795
01:18:05,124 --> 01:18:10,114
Speaker 3: AKA Drewsville County, but I was actually to, you know,

1796
01:18:10,134 --> 01:18:13,914
Speaker 3: grow roots all across the state of Florida. And I

1797
01:18:13,944 --> 01:18:18,824
Speaker 3: was a union organizer, I'm a community organizer, and I

1798
01:18:18,864 --> 01:18:21,924
Speaker 3: work to really like build power within different communities.

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01:18:22,004 --> 01:18:24,744
Speaker 5: And so like that's why I've had one of the highest.

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01:18:24,464 --> 01:18:29,443
Speaker 3: Name IDs for a first time statewide candidate than anyone

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01:18:29,464 --> 01:18:31,764
Speaker 3: that just would decide to run for this seat, like

1802
01:18:31,954 --> 01:18:36,664
Speaker 3: even even former congressional members and folks like that who

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01:18:36,844 --> 01:18:41,004
Speaker 3: have ran for statewide office here in the state of Florida,

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01:18:41,044 --> 01:18:44,444
Speaker 3: their name ID wasn't as high as mine. And that's because,

1805
01:18:44,964 --> 01:18:47,704
Speaker 3: you know, people know me for the pink bullhorn.

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01:18:47,764 --> 01:18:48,564
Speaker 5: People know me.

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01:18:48,484 --> 01:18:51,714
Speaker 3: For shutting down house proceedings when they try to do

1808
01:18:51,794 --> 01:18:55,994
Speaker 3: illegal and unconstitutional things. And so I've been able to

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01:18:56,014 --> 01:18:59,454
Speaker 3: make a name for myself, but also highlight a lot

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01:18:59,504 --> 01:19:01,314
Speaker 3: of bad stuff that's happening.

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01:19:01,934 --> 01:19:02,334
Speaker 5: And so.

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01:19:03,944 --> 01:19:08,364
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, I learned that you have to be vocal.

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01:19:08,924 --> 01:19:13,204
Speaker 3: And, you know, I learned everything that Zora Neale Hurston stated.

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01:19:13,224 --> 01:19:14,684
Speaker 5: Like, if you are silent.

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01:19:14,644 --> 01:19:18,324
Speaker 3: About your pain, they will kill you and say you

1816
01:19:18,384 --> 01:19:21,034
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. And I refuse to allow them to think

1817
01:19:21,074 --> 01:19:23,514
Speaker 3: that I enjoyed what they're putting us through right now

1818
01:19:23,554 --> 01:19:26,794
Speaker 3: in this moment. So, I mean, that's what I learned.

1819
01:19:26,854 --> 01:19:28,554
Speaker 3: And that's how I've been able to win. And that's

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01:19:28,574 --> 01:19:31,304
Speaker 3: how we're going to win this election in November. Yep.

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01:19:32,694 --> 01:19:34,434
Speaker 1: I love that. You seem to embody a lot of

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01:19:34,714 --> 01:19:37,354
Speaker 1: Shirley Chisholm's unbossed, unbound, unbought.

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01:19:38,834 --> 01:19:39,694
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely.

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01:19:39,754 --> 01:19:44,214
Speaker 3: We have that on the shirt, too. But no, you

1825
01:19:44,254 --> 01:19:49,184
Speaker 3: know who I really model myself and my work after?

1826
01:19:49,204 --> 01:19:55,144
Speaker 3: I would say Fannie Lou Hamer. And the reason that

1827
01:19:55,224 --> 01:19:57,844
Speaker 3: I do that, like I feel that way, is because

1828
01:19:58,304 --> 01:20:01,904
Speaker 3: she is someone who, she was a sharecropper. OK, and

1829
01:20:01,944 --> 01:20:06,184
Speaker 3: knowing that like my grandparents were sharecroppers in Georgia and

1830
01:20:06,264 --> 01:20:10,934
Speaker 3: I come from sharecropping and knowing that she spoke so

1831
01:20:11,054 --> 01:20:16,194
Speaker 3: plainly and she went up against the Democratic establishment, even

1832
01:20:16,234 --> 01:20:17,863
Speaker 3: though they were the ones who were supposed to have

1833
01:20:17,944 --> 01:20:19,184
Speaker 3: our backs at the time.

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01:20:19,604 --> 01:20:21,684
Speaker 5: And I feel like I'm doing something similar.

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01:20:22,694 --> 01:20:27,174
Speaker 3: In terms of that, as it relates to the corporate establishment.

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01:20:26,334 --> 01:20:30,124
Speaker 5: Democrats, you know, and I'm not going to like allow

1837
01:20:30,164 --> 01:20:30,564
Speaker 5: people to.

1838
01:20:30,564 --> 01:20:34,184
Speaker 3: Knock me off, you know, knock me down or whatever and.

1839
01:20:34,124 --> 01:20:37,464
Speaker 5: Knock me off what I'm talking about and how I'm engaging.

1840
01:20:37,804 --> 01:20:40,634
Speaker 5: And like she was unapologetic about who she is.

1841
01:20:41,234 --> 01:20:45,494
Speaker 3: And that is because like, why should we change ourselves

1842
01:20:45,574 --> 01:20:49,044
Speaker 3: when the majority of people are you know, operate and

1843
01:20:49,124 --> 01:20:50,904
Speaker 3: live the way that I live, right?

1844
01:20:51,004 --> 01:20:54,084
Speaker 5: And speak the way that I speak. And so, yeah,

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01:20:54,284 --> 01:20:57,464
Speaker 5: I am, like, I love Fannie Lou Hamer.

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01:20:57,484 --> 01:21:01,794
Speaker 3: She's all up in my bookstores, walls with her quotes

1847
01:21:01,914 --> 01:21:02,764
Speaker 3: and things like that.

1848
01:21:02,834 --> 01:21:05,914
Speaker 5: And so that's who I really, like, model.

1849
01:21:05,534 --> 01:21:09,474
Speaker 3: My work after, particularly around community organizing and power building.

1850
01:21:10,254 --> 01:21:10,814
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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01:21:10,854 --> 01:21:13,354
Speaker 1: That is a great example to put out there. Certainly

1852
01:21:13,374 --> 01:21:17,804
Speaker 1: a leader who Is, you know, her name rings loudly

1853
01:21:17,844 --> 01:21:20,943
Speaker 1: in certain communities, but not loudly enough in all communities.

1854
01:21:20,984 --> 01:21:21,704
Speaker 1: So thank you.

1855
01:21:21,824 --> 01:21:22,424
Speaker 5: Exactly.

1856
01:21:22,484 --> 01:21:22,884
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1857
01:21:23,144 --> 01:21:23,364
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1858
01:21:24,084 --> 01:21:26,004
Speaker 1: My other question is who in your life sort of

1859
01:21:26,064 --> 01:21:28,464
Speaker 1: gave you the, you know, I don't know, sometimes there's

1860
01:21:28,484 --> 01:21:30,684
Speaker 1: somebody in your life who can, you know, not everybody

1861
01:21:30,724 --> 01:21:33,414
Speaker 1: grows up thinking they can be a politician. well, maybe

1862
01:21:33,454 --> 01:21:35,254
Speaker 1: every white man grows up thinking he'd be a politician,

1863
01:21:35,294 --> 01:21:38,124
Speaker 1: but certainly black folks, we don't always think we can

1864
01:21:38,324 --> 01:21:40,564
Speaker 1: aspire to those offices. Is there somebody in your life

1865
01:21:40,604 --> 01:21:43,904
Speaker 1: who felt like you poured into the idea that this

1866
01:21:43,964 --> 01:21:46,204
Speaker 1: is all for you, whatever level of office you want

1867
01:21:46,264 --> 01:21:46,804
Speaker 1: is all for you?

1868
01:21:47,324 --> 01:21:48,424
Speaker 5: You know, actually, no.

1869
01:21:48,834 --> 01:21:52,634
Speaker 3: My family was not plugged into politics like that, but

1870
01:21:52,694 --> 01:21:55,314
Speaker 3: I do remember my grandma talking about how she had

1871
01:21:55,354 --> 01:22:00,084
Speaker 3: to be hidden during a race riot in Jacksonville. And

1872
01:22:00,264 --> 01:22:04,004
Speaker 3: what I learned today, like, my grandmother passed away some

1873
01:22:04,044 --> 01:22:04,444
Speaker 3: years ago.

1874
01:22:04,484 --> 01:22:05,844
Speaker 5: She would be over 100 now.

1875
01:22:07,114 --> 01:22:11,153
Speaker 3: But what I learned today is that, like, during this campaign, actually,

1876
01:22:11,174 --> 01:22:17,594
Speaker 3: Ta-Nehisi Coates actually interviewed me and He reached back out.

1877
01:22:17,634 --> 01:22:20,214
Speaker 3: He was like, hey, was it this? Was it this

1878
01:22:20,414 --> 01:22:23,254
Speaker 3: event that your grandma had to be here in? And

1879
01:22:23,374 --> 01:22:26,034
Speaker 3: I looked at the date and I called my auntie

1880
01:22:26,094 --> 01:22:27,594
Speaker 3: and my auntie was like, you know, I don't want

1881
01:22:27,634 --> 01:22:30,374
Speaker 3: to say yes, but no, I think that is because

1882
01:22:30,394 --> 01:22:33,153
Speaker 3: that's the time she came here. And it was Axe

1883
01:22:33,194 --> 01:22:36,134
Speaker 3: Handle Saturday in Jacksonville.

1884
01:22:36,364 --> 01:22:40,363
Speaker 5: And I have, you know, I know Rodney Hurst, who

1885
01:22:40,664 --> 01:22:41,424
Speaker 5: was around.

1886
01:22:41,584 --> 01:22:43,504
Speaker 3: He's a civil rights leader and he was a former

1887
01:22:43,524 --> 01:22:48,544
Speaker 3: city council member in Jacksonville. And I recognize the stories

1888
01:22:48,584 --> 01:22:52,604
Speaker 3: that I heard, as well as the first Black sheriff

1889
01:22:52,644 --> 01:22:56,644
Speaker 3: of Jacksonville. He was there during Ask for Handle Saturday, too.

1890
01:22:57,144 --> 01:23:01,014
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that's amazing. I learned the history,

1891
01:23:01,034 --> 01:23:05,094
Speaker 3: but now realizing that my grandma was there as well.

1892
01:23:05,494 --> 01:23:09,994
Speaker 5: And I was like, whoa, it blew my mind. And

1893
01:23:10,034 --> 01:23:12,354
Speaker 5: so I would say I get my.

1894
01:23:13,084 --> 01:23:15,994
Speaker 3: I get my moxie from my grandmother because she always,

1895
01:23:16,474 --> 01:23:18,674
Speaker 3: and what's so funny is like, you know, she was

1896
01:23:18,774 --> 01:23:25,154
Speaker 3: mixed and she hated racism. Like she hated racism and

1897
01:23:25,194 --> 01:23:28,474
Speaker 3: she would stand up and call out like, you know,

1898
01:23:28,674 --> 01:23:32,704
Speaker 3: white people that were racist and that type of stuff.

1899
01:23:33,364 --> 01:23:35,944
Speaker 5: And so I just like, I.

1900
01:23:35,844 --> 01:23:39,064
Speaker 3: Get a lot of my spunk from her and, you know,

1901
01:23:39,124 --> 01:23:43,284
Speaker 3: my unapologetic attitude fierceness from her.

1902
01:23:43,444 --> 01:23:45,024
Speaker 5: And so I, uh, yeah.

1903
01:23:45,044 --> 01:23:48,064
Speaker 3: So, but she, she, I think that helps sway me

1904
01:23:48,184 --> 01:23:49,584
Speaker 3: into politics or whatever.

1905
01:23:49,684 --> 01:23:50,384
Speaker 2: And so, yeah.

1906
01:23:50,744 --> 01:23:54,614
Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I, I, I, one thing about me, uh,

1907
01:23:54,654 --> 01:23:56,254
Speaker 1: I should let you know, Ms. Nixon, I'm not afraid

1908
01:23:56,274 --> 01:23:59,054
Speaker 1: to appear ignorant. What is Axe Handle Sunday?

1909
01:23:59,934 --> 01:24:00,174
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1910
01:24:00,274 --> 01:24:01,254
Speaker 5: Axe Handle Saturday.

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01:24:01,374 --> 01:24:02,154
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1912
01:24:03,274 --> 01:24:08,864
Speaker 3: Axe Handle Saturday was a day when, um, some young

1913
01:24:08,924 --> 01:24:13,804
Speaker 3: kids were trying to integrate, uh, some lunch counters in

1914
01:24:13,924 --> 01:24:15,184
Speaker 3: downtown Jacksonville.

1915
01:24:15,204 --> 01:24:17,884
Speaker 5: Uh, I believe it was Montgomery ward.

1916
01:24:18,804 --> 01:24:22,674
Speaker 3: And there was some people that decided to take ax

1917
01:24:22,694 --> 01:24:27,234
Speaker 3: handles and go and like, start hitting them with it. And, um,

1918
01:24:27,774 --> 01:24:29,794
Speaker 3: and so that happened.

1919
01:24:29,934 --> 01:24:33,154
Speaker 1: And you might have a family connection to that. Yeah.

1920
01:24:33,274 --> 01:24:33,894
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

1921
01:24:34,674 --> 01:24:34,834
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1922
01:24:35,214 --> 01:24:37,514
Speaker 1: Uh, One thing I'll say about you, and please speak

1923
01:24:37,554 --> 01:24:39,414
Speaker 1: about this. I know it could be just how you

1924
01:24:39,454 --> 01:24:41,434
Speaker 1: are as well. You don't seem, and I'm going to

1925
01:24:41,454 --> 01:24:43,174
Speaker 1: use this term, scurred at all.

1926
01:24:45,474 --> 01:24:49,394
Speaker 3: I ain't never scared. Like Bone Crusher says, I ain't

1927
01:24:49,414 --> 01:24:52,374
Speaker 3: never scared. And that's because, like, I have nothing to

1928
01:24:52,414 --> 01:24:56,184
Speaker 3: lose but my shame. Like, I'm not scared about anything. Like,

1929
01:24:57,084 --> 01:25:01,404
Speaker 3: you know, I just have everything to gain. And so

1930
01:25:01,544 --> 01:25:05,284
Speaker 3: I refuse to just sit around idly by. And I

1931
01:25:05,324 --> 01:25:08,644
Speaker 3: have so much to gain for my kids. And I'm

1932
01:25:08,684 --> 01:25:12,894
Speaker 3: not going to allow them to live in a world

1933
01:25:13,234 --> 01:25:16,214
Speaker 3: like this for the rest of their lives without me

1934
01:25:16,294 --> 01:25:20,594
Speaker 3: fighting to make it better. And so, you know, I mean,

1935
01:25:21,414 --> 01:25:23,394
Speaker 3: what's the worst that can happen, right?

1936
01:25:23,554 --> 01:25:27,374
Speaker 5: And so I refuse. They're literally attempting to return us

1937
01:25:27,414 --> 01:25:30,384
Speaker 5: back to the worst chapters of our history. And so

1938
01:25:31,484 --> 01:25:32,344
Speaker 5: I'm not going back.

1939
01:25:33,074 --> 01:25:35,814
Speaker 3: In the words of Representative Yvonne Hanson, who I served

1940
01:25:35,854 --> 01:25:40,844
Speaker 3: within the Florida legislature, when they were trying to end, get.

1941
01:25:40,764 --> 01:25:43,524
Speaker 5: Rid of black congressional districts, she was like, I'm not

1942
01:25:43,564 --> 01:25:45,564
Speaker 5: going back. Like y'all are, y'all are.

1943
01:25:45,504 --> 01:25:48,404
Speaker 3: Trying to take us back to Jim Crow days and

1944
01:25:48,504 --> 01:25:50,903
Speaker 3: all the things that you said, we are not going

1945
01:25:50,944 --> 01:25:52,224
Speaker 3: back and I'm not going back.

1946
01:25:53,764 --> 01:25:57,284
Speaker 1: I hear that. I'm not going back. I hear that. Earlier,

1947
01:25:57,324 --> 01:26:00,494
Speaker 1: you talked about how your name, you had, high name

1948
01:26:00,534 --> 01:26:03,294
Speaker 1: recognition in Florida. So you, so that when you wanted

1949
01:26:03,334 --> 01:26:05,214
Speaker 1: to run for Senate, people sort of know your name already,

1950
01:26:05,754 --> 01:26:08,134
Speaker 1: but why do you think your name has got caught

1951
01:26:08,254 --> 01:26:11,584
Speaker 1: on so much around the entire country? Why do you

1952
01:26:11,604 --> 01:26:15,064
Speaker 1: think you've had such good, uh, you know, you've had

1953
01:26:15,164 --> 01:26:17,804
Speaker 1: such good, I think so much attention and so much

1954
01:26:17,844 --> 01:26:18,424
Speaker 1: good attention.

1955
01:26:18,924 --> 01:26:22,224
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would say because I have been willing to

1956
01:26:22,264 --> 01:26:25,504
Speaker 3: get in good trouble, necessary trouble, shout out to the

1957
01:26:25,544 --> 01:26:30,784
Speaker 3: late great, Congressman John Lewis and civil rights leader John Lewis.

1958
01:26:30,804 --> 01:26:32,704
Speaker 5: And that's what I've been doing.

1959
01:26:32,844 --> 01:26:39,574
Speaker 3: And so having gotten arrested by Ron DeSantis for a

1960
01:26:39,614 --> 01:26:42,734
Speaker 3: peaceful protest outside of his office to discuss those illegal

1961
01:26:42,854 --> 01:26:48,434
Speaker 3: and constitutional maps that he, he pushed, um, you know, also, um,

1962
01:26:48,694 --> 01:26:50,864
Speaker 3: disrupting the house.

1963
01:26:50,674 --> 01:26:53,484
Speaker 5: Floor with the pink bullhorn this year.

1964
01:26:53,704 --> 01:26:57,784
Speaker 3: Also knowing that I did it back in 2022 as well. Um,

1965
01:26:58,364 --> 01:27:01,204
Speaker 3: I am an organizer and I just get loud. And

1966
01:27:01,304 --> 01:27:05,073
Speaker 3: so in this moment, like what is happening is not okay.

1967
01:27:05,194 --> 01:27:06,074
Speaker 5: It is not okay.

1968
01:27:06,414 --> 01:27:11,193
Speaker 3: It should not be normalized. Um, They are literally breaking

1969
01:27:11,274 --> 01:27:16,073
Speaker 3: the law. The people who took an oath to protect

1970
01:27:16,134 --> 01:27:21,414
Speaker 3: and uphold the law are literally breaking it and getting

1971
01:27:21,514 --> 01:27:26,464
Speaker 3: richer off doing so. And I am going to get

1972
01:27:26,504 --> 01:27:30,924
Speaker 3: in good trouble, necessary trouble to disrupt that too. put

1973
01:27:30,984 --> 01:27:34,344
Speaker 3: things the way that they should be to let hardworking

1974
01:27:34,444 --> 01:27:38,564
Speaker 3: everyday people get to shape their communities and their economies.

1975
01:27:38,584 --> 01:27:41,204
Speaker 5: Which is how it should be. And so that is

1976
01:27:41,224 --> 01:27:42,544
Speaker 5: exactly what I'm going to do.

1977
01:27:43,344 --> 01:27:46,044
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. And, you know, there's a lot of good

1978
01:27:46,104 --> 01:27:47,744
Speaker 1: trouble to get it in your state of Florida, as

1979
01:27:47,764 --> 01:27:51,444
Speaker 1: you know. Again, I know it doesn't scare you, but

1980
01:27:51,484 --> 01:27:53,384
Speaker 1: when I first heard that you were running for Senate,

1981
01:27:53,524 --> 01:27:55,604
Speaker 1: I was like, good for her. And I thought Florida,

1982
01:27:55,624 --> 01:27:59,324
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, Florida, you know, Florida arrests people

1983
01:27:59,364 --> 01:28:04,204
Speaker 1: for accidentally voting in the wrong district. It is very

1984
01:28:04,284 --> 01:28:06,364
Speaker 1: different out there. I live in California. It's not that

1985
01:28:06,384 --> 01:28:08,664
Speaker 1: hardcore out here. We are not perfect. We are far

1986
01:28:08,724 --> 01:28:11,144
Speaker 1: from perfect. I'm not trying to do a California versus

1987
01:28:11,164 --> 01:28:14,924
Speaker 1: Florida off. Talk about the challenges that you face in

1988
01:28:14,964 --> 01:28:16,664
Speaker 1: Florida that maybe you wouldn't face somewhere else.

1989
01:28:17,644 --> 01:28:18,403
Speaker 5: Oh, my gosh.

1990
01:28:18,484 --> 01:28:21,844
Speaker 3: When it comes to Florida, I mean, they made it

1991
01:28:21,884 --> 01:28:23,334
Speaker 3: so harder for us to vote.

1992
01:28:24,764 --> 01:28:27,273
Speaker 5: They did a legal gerrymandering.

1993
01:28:28,124 --> 01:28:32,694
Speaker 3: And basically created four.

1994
01:28:32,174 --> 01:28:36,594
Speaker 5: Districts that would have been Democrat.

1995
01:28:37,094 --> 01:28:40,834
Speaker 3: They made it tougher so that they would now lean

1996
01:28:41,354 --> 01:28:42,334
Speaker 3: heavily Republican.

1997
01:28:43,734 --> 01:28:46,834
Speaker 5: And so, not heavily Republican, but Republican nonetheless.

1998
01:28:46,914 --> 01:28:50,334
Speaker 1: Republican enough that it's a Republican district instead of a

1999
01:28:50,354 --> 01:28:51,034
Speaker 1: Democratic district.

2000
01:28:51,334 --> 01:28:51,914
Speaker 5: Exactly.

2001
01:28:51,954 --> 01:28:57,654
Speaker 3: They created elective police so that they can terrorize people

2002
01:28:57,674 --> 01:28:58,514
Speaker 3: in their communities.

2003
01:28:58,734 --> 01:29:01,354
Speaker 5: And they did this intentionally.

2004
01:29:00,834 --> 01:29:07,784
Speaker 3: After over 1.4 million people regained their right to vote

2005
01:29:07,844 --> 01:29:10,144
Speaker 3: here automatically.

2006
01:29:09,304 --> 01:29:10,584
Speaker 5: After serving their time.

2007
01:29:11,334 --> 01:29:17,184
Speaker 3: And so they threw in just these different, um, processes

2008
01:29:17,224 --> 01:29:23,494
Speaker 3: before people can actually get automatically registered. And, um, So

2009
01:29:23,664 --> 01:29:27,654
Speaker 3: they also included the election police because they made it

2010
01:29:27,714 --> 01:29:30,614
Speaker 3: harder for non-profit groups to go register people to vote

2011
01:29:30,634 --> 01:29:33,354
Speaker 3: to the point where they create fines and fees. And

2012
01:29:33,414 --> 01:29:37,434
Speaker 3: so also, like, if you messed up, if someone who

2013
01:29:37,494 --> 01:29:40,514
Speaker 3: they were trying to get the people who were returning

2014
01:29:40,554 --> 01:29:45,464
Speaker 3: citizens to now, like, they think, oh, this bill.

2015
01:29:45,244 --> 01:29:47,164
Speaker 5: Passed, I can just go in and register to vote.

2016
01:29:47,464 --> 01:29:49,224
Speaker 3: No, you have to make sure you pay your fines

2017
01:29:49,304 --> 01:29:51,424
Speaker 3: and fees and restitution and all of that.

2018
01:29:51,464 --> 01:29:54,534
Speaker 5: And if you didn't, If you didn't and you signed up,

2019
01:29:54,594 --> 01:29:56,414
Speaker 5: guess what? Knock, knock, knock.

2020
01:29:56,474 --> 01:30:00,434
Speaker 3: The election police are coming at your door and they're going.

2021
01:30:00,214 --> 01:30:01,294
Speaker 5: To arrest you.

2022
01:30:02,074 --> 01:30:04,474
Speaker 3: And then you're going to go back to jail. And

2023
01:30:04,514 --> 01:30:07,284
Speaker 3: so it's just they did stuff like that. They now

2024
01:30:07,334 --> 01:30:10,244
Speaker 3: make it so that you have to register. You have

2025
01:30:10,284 --> 01:30:12,944
Speaker 3: to sign up for vote by mail each and every

2026
01:30:13,124 --> 01:30:19,323
Speaker 3: election cycle. Before it lasts a few election cycles. Just

2027
01:30:19,484 --> 01:30:23,164
Speaker 3: all kind of stuff. It's so much corruption, bro. Like,

2028
01:30:23,224 --> 01:30:26,444
Speaker 3: it's so much corruption. And that's why I'm running. I'm

2029
01:30:26,484 --> 01:30:29,724
Speaker 3: trying to stop that from happening. And I believe we're

2030
01:30:29,744 --> 01:30:30,484
Speaker 3: going to win.

2031
01:30:30,504 --> 01:30:31,214
Speaker 5: We're going to win.

2032
01:30:31,964 --> 01:30:33,544
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that, I'm going to say

2033
01:30:33,564 --> 01:30:37,034
Speaker 1: when you win, because I believe in you, that your

2034
01:30:37,114 --> 01:30:40,554
Speaker 1: election will be the election that says the country is

2035
01:30:40,694 --> 01:30:42,634
Speaker 1: about to be headed in the correct direction.

2036
01:30:42,814 --> 01:30:43,054
Speaker 5: Yes.

2037
01:30:44,404 --> 01:30:48,424
Speaker 3: Yes, because it says, what it says is just you

2038
01:30:48,484 --> 01:30:52,384
Speaker 3: don't need big money. What it says is that you

2039
01:30:52,424 --> 01:30:56,224
Speaker 3: can motivate the people enough to do what they need

2040
01:30:56,264 --> 01:30:59,684
Speaker 3: to do. Yeah, and so, like, that's what I'm on.

2041
01:30:59,704 --> 01:31:00,904
Speaker 3: That's the type of time I'm on.

2042
01:31:00,924 --> 01:31:03,884
Speaker 1: All right. The thing that scares me about Florida is

2043
01:31:03,924 --> 01:31:08,004
Speaker 1: everything you said, that there is active voter suppression, you know, like,

2044
01:31:08,214 --> 01:31:11,094
Speaker 1: legislated voter suppression. And so I think what happens is

2045
01:31:11,114 --> 01:31:13,344
Speaker 1: that people just sort of, like, Maybe you don't even

2046
01:31:13,404 --> 01:31:15,984
Speaker 1: go to the polls just in case something might happen,

2047
01:31:16,064 --> 01:31:20,264
Speaker 1: you know? It sort of internalizes the voter suppression because

2048
01:31:20,304 --> 01:31:22,784
Speaker 1: they're like, it's Rhonda Sanders and his goons are out there.

2049
01:31:22,804 --> 01:31:24,564
Speaker 1: Who knows what happens? I'm going to stay home. How

2050
01:31:24,584 --> 01:31:26,764
Speaker 1: do you get people to get out of their seats

2051
01:31:26,804 --> 01:31:27,464
Speaker 1: and actually go?

2052
01:31:28,764 --> 01:31:29,924
Speaker 5: You make it fun.

2053
01:31:29,984 --> 01:31:32,864
Speaker 3: You let people know that we can be joyfully resistant

2054
01:31:32,944 --> 01:31:33,284
Speaker 3: in this.

2055
01:31:33,264 --> 01:31:34,584
Speaker 5: Moment and that.

2056
01:31:35,174 --> 01:31:37,814
Speaker 3: Yes, what is happening is very dire, but we have

2057
01:31:37,834 --> 01:31:40,554
Speaker 3: the opportunity to build this new vision for our country,

2058
01:31:40,594 --> 01:31:42,154
Speaker 3: and they should get excited about that.

2059
01:31:42,214 --> 01:31:46,594
Speaker 5: They should get excited about that. The power can now actually.

2060
01:31:46,414 --> 01:31:49,064
Speaker 3: Start moving into the hands of the people, and so

2061
01:31:49,084 --> 01:31:51,844
Speaker 3: that's what I'm doing. I'm leading with joy, I'm leading

2062
01:31:51,864 --> 01:31:54,224
Speaker 3: with love, and I'm letting them know that we're going

2063
01:31:54,244 --> 01:31:56,364
Speaker 3: to stomp out this corruption, but we are going to

2064
01:31:56,404 --> 01:31:58,104
Speaker 3: do it having fun.

2065
01:31:58,184 --> 01:32:01,314
Speaker 1: People like fun, and people like democracy, so if you

2066
01:32:01,334 --> 01:32:03,154
Speaker 1: put those two things together, it sounds like we might

2067
01:32:03,214 --> 01:32:06,124
Speaker 1: be on the right track. Yes, yes. So the other

2068
01:32:06,134 --> 01:32:07,134
Speaker 1: thing I want to talk to you about is you

2069
01:32:07,164 --> 01:32:11,484
Speaker 1: have a very naturally sort of like intersectional approach to politics,

2070
01:32:11,564 --> 01:32:14,944
Speaker 1: it seems. You don't mind speaking out against four groups

2071
01:32:15,504 --> 01:32:17,144
Speaker 1: that some people might say have nothing to do with

2072
01:32:17,204 --> 01:32:19,524
Speaker 1: your group as a black person in Florida. You know,

2073
01:32:19,924 --> 01:32:24,054
Speaker 1: LGBTQ +, Gazans. Where did that, have you always been

2074
01:32:24,074 --> 01:32:25,834
Speaker 1: that way or did that come to you at some point?

2075
01:32:26,314 --> 01:32:29,774
Speaker 5: I just don't like bullies. I don't like bullies.

2076
01:32:30,614 --> 01:32:34,404
Speaker 3: I grew up in a household with domestic violence and...

2077
01:32:35,024 --> 01:32:39,424
Speaker 3: that stuck with me to this day that I'm always like,

2078
01:32:40,364 --> 01:32:40,904
Speaker 3: I'm fight.

2079
01:32:43,044 --> 01:32:47,044
Speaker 5: To the point my husband is like, let me love you. Dang,

2080
01:32:47,064 --> 01:32:48,114
Speaker 5: let me do it.

2081
01:32:48,184 --> 01:32:52,454
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm good, I'm good. And so it's like,

2082
01:32:53,034 --> 01:32:58,934
Speaker 3: it comes from just seeing my mom, right? Being under attack,

2083
01:32:59,094 --> 01:33:02,514
Speaker 3: my mom being a survivor and not liking what she

2084
01:33:02,554 --> 01:33:05,614
Speaker 3: went through. And I don't want anyone to have to

2085
01:33:05,634 --> 01:33:08,004
Speaker 3: deal with bullies, whether or not it's in a relationship,

2086
01:33:08,064 --> 01:33:11,444
Speaker 3: whether or not it's the government, like, putting a crackdown

2087
01:33:11,544 --> 01:33:15,064
Speaker 3: on us, causing us to pay taxes in the form

2088
01:33:15,104 --> 01:33:19,524
Speaker 3: of tariffs, causing everything to go up, whether or not

2089
01:33:19,604 --> 01:33:24,344
Speaker 3: it's the government, like, defunding public education to make our

2090
01:33:24,384 --> 01:33:29,314
Speaker 3: children be routed into the school-to-prison pipeline, whether or not it's, like,

2091
01:33:29,804 --> 01:33:33,484
Speaker 3: bad law enforcement officers that are over-policing our communities and

2092
01:33:33,504 --> 01:33:37,994
Speaker 3: shooting people dead in the streets with no accountability or anything.

2093
01:33:38,174 --> 01:33:41,674
Speaker 3: And so it's like, I don't like bullies. And so

2094
01:33:41,714 --> 01:33:45,034
Speaker 3: I'm always going to run to a fight so that

2095
01:33:45,254 --> 01:33:46,454
Speaker 3: we can stop all bullies.

2096
01:33:48,554 --> 01:33:50,444
Speaker 5: I mean, that is what it is.

2097
01:33:50,744 --> 01:33:51,704
Speaker 1: Stop all bullies.

2098
01:33:51,964 --> 01:33:53,944
Speaker 5: Stop all bullies. That is what it is.

2099
01:33:54,464 --> 01:33:56,604
Speaker 1: I love the fact that you don't talk like, you

2100
01:33:56,644 --> 01:33:58,724
Speaker 1: don't talk like, I'm putting in scare quotes, talk like

2101
01:33:58,764 --> 01:34:03,424
Speaker 1: a politician. You talk like a woman from Florida. Exactly.

2102
01:34:03,604 --> 01:34:05,544
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the problem.

2103
01:34:05,564 --> 01:34:08,044
Speaker 5: We have people that are too cut.

2104
01:34:07,834 --> 01:34:13,954
Speaker 3: And dry and try to be so polished, and they're.

2105
01:34:13,214 --> 01:34:16,174
Speaker 5: Not in touch and in tune with the people.

2106
01:34:16,314 --> 01:34:19,094
Speaker 3: And so I'm in touch and in tune with the people,

2107
01:34:19,174 --> 01:34:20,323
Speaker 3: and we're going to make it do what it do.

2108
01:34:21,654 --> 01:34:25,534
Speaker 1: Do you sometimes with black leaders or black people who

2109
01:34:25,614 --> 01:34:28,284
Speaker 1: talk very intersectionally about things, there are a percentage of

2110
01:34:28,294 --> 01:34:30,014
Speaker 1: black folks who are like, we just need to we

2111
01:34:30,044 --> 01:34:31,744
Speaker 1: need to take care of ourselves before we start reaching

2112
01:34:31,784 --> 01:34:33,684
Speaker 1: out to other people. What do you say to people

2113
01:34:33,724 --> 01:34:34,084
Speaker 1: like that?

2114
01:34:34,924 --> 01:34:38,164
Speaker 3: I would say that another Fannie Lou Hamer quote is

2115
01:34:38,964 --> 01:34:43,064
Speaker 3: nobody's free until we all free. And so everybody's free.

2116
01:34:43,104 --> 01:34:44,864
Speaker 3: Nobody's free until everybody's free.

2117
01:34:45,044 --> 01:34:48,084
Speaker 5: And so. We can take care of ourselves, but.

2118
01:34:47,964 --> 01:34:49,804
Speaker 3: We also need to take care of others because we

2119
01:34:49,824 --> 01:34:53,464
Speaker 3: want others to jump in and step in when we're

2120
01:34:53,484 --> 01:34:54,144
Speaker 3: under attack.

2121
01:34:54,264 --> 01:34:55,744
Speaker 5: And so we need to be willing to do the

2122
01:34:55,804 --> 01:34:56,524
Speaker 5: same thing.

2123
01:34:58,994 --> 01:35:00,794
Speaker 1: Again, Fannie Lou Hamer knew what she was talking about.

2124
01:35:00,814 --> 01:35:03,914
Speaker 1: No breaking news there. Fannie Lou Hamer knows what she's

2125
01:35:03,954 --> 01:35:06,594
Speaker 1: talking about. So there's been a lot of talk about

2126
01:35:06,634 --> 01:35:10,294
Speaker 1: how the Democratic establishment has not been as supportive of you.

2127
01:35:10,924 --> 01:35:13,134
Speaker 1: As you would think of a candidate who is in

2128
01:35:13,154 --> 01:35:15,994
Speaker 1: a race in Florida, who's in a Senate race, and

2129
01:35:16,034 --> 01:35:17,734
Speaker 1: someone who's actually getting a lot of press attention leading

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Speaker 1: the way. Do you need them? Do you want them?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to say something to them now? Like,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: When you are running against authoritarianism and fascism, you need

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Speaker 3: all hands on deck. And I am opening my arms

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Speaker 3: to different people and organizations, which is one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons I joined the DSA. I also joined the Working

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Speaker 3: Family Party. I also became a lifelong member of the NAACP.

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Speaker 3: It's all hands on deck.

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Speaker 5: It's all hands on deck. This man is trying to

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Speaker 5: take us out. Like he's literally taking many of us out, right?

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Speaker 3: Yes. And so we need people to join in this fight.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I do what I do.

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Speaker 3: That's why I will always work to be an aggregator

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Speaker 3: and a convener and push people to collectively work together.

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Speaker 5: That's the only way we're going to win.

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Speaker 1: I think that's true.

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Speaker 5: But, but, but, to your point.

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Speaker 1: Uh-oh, uh-oh. Sorry, did me interrupt. Yes.

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Speaker 3: I am now working with the DNC and the DSEC.

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Speaker 5: Can they do more? Yes, everyone can do more.

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Speaker 1: They're doing more than nothing, which is how you get

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Speaker 1: to more.

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01:36:25,344 --> 01:36:27,114
Speaker 5: Yes, they're doing more than what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: You got to start with something and you can get

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Speaker 1: to more. But if you start at zero, we can't

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Speaker 1: get to more. We got to get to something.

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Speaker 3: But what I would say is that we need to

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Speaker 3: have real conversations about why people want Black women's labor

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Speaker 3: and not their leadership. Bars. Bars.

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Speaker 1: I love the bars. That's right. Bars. Those are bars.

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Speaker 1: You're for sure. So I always ask people if there's

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Speaker 1: an organization they want people to support or nonprofit they

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Speaker 1: want people to support. I'm pretty sure I'm going to

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Speaker 1: know what you're going to say, but what would you

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Speaker 1: like people to do and support after watching this?

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: My campaign is a non-profit.

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Speaker 1: You can say that. Don't get complicated.

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Speaker 5: My campaign is a non-profit.

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Speaker 3: They should go to AngieNixon.com to make a donation so

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Speaker 3: that I can help change the trajectory of our country.

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Speaker 3: Also follow us on social media, Angie4Florida.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, let's go. We can win this thing.

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Speaker 1: The podcast is called Who's With Me? I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like I have to ask this, but are you with me?

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Speaker 1: Can we be a team? Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Hell yeah. Are you with me?

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Speaker 1: I am with you.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Are you going to make some phone calls for me?

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Speaker 5: Are you going to knock some doors?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to tell people to send some money?

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Speaker 3: Are you going to send some coins my way for

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Speaker 3: my campaign?

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Speaker 1: Let's make it happen.

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Speaker 5: Are you with me?

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Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am. I'm with you. Yes, I will send some coins. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, future senator. I appreciate your time today. I

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Speaker 1: know you're busy. Thank you for sparing some time for us.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. And good luck for the rest of

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Speaker 1: your day. And I can't wait till you win.

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Speaker 3: Let's go. Thank you so much. I look forward to

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Speaker 3: you having me back when I'm Senator.

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Speaker 1: Oh, if you want to come back when you're Senator,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to have you. Yes, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That was our super stuffed, spectacular, spectacular midterm extravaganza. I

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Speaker 1: keep changing the name. Thank you for listening. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to Joanne Reed for stopping by or Joy Reed. I

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Speaker 1: go back and forth. Check out the Joy Reed show

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Speaker 1: on all your platforms, Substack, YouTube, all the podcast platforms. Also,

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Speaker 1: there's Angie Nixon who stopped by or I had her

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Speaker 1: stop in the middle of her day to talk to

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Speaker 1: us about her candidacy for the Senate Florida race. Support

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Speaker 1: Angie Nixon. Go to AngieNixon.com. You can find out ways

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Speaker 1: to support her whether it's financially or any other way.

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Speaker 1: And then also Joy Reed mentioned the American Cancer Society.

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Speaker 1: in the name of her dear mother who passed away

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Speaker 1: from cancer. So yeah, support the American Cancer Society. And also,

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Speaker 1: last thing, this book, it's out now. Rock, Paper, Scissors, Cheese. Rock, Paper, Scissors,

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Speaker 1: Cheese is out now. Please get this book. It is

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Speaker 1: a joy. You can get it for, it is a joy.

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01:39:20,414 --> 01:39:22,094
Speaker 1: It's not a joy read, but it's a joy. You

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Speaker 1: can get it for yourself, for your kids, for kids

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Speaker 1: in your life that you'll meet someday or maybe make someday.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful, fun ride. And it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of fun frivolity in the midst of a time that

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel very frivolous. So thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: Who's With Me. Thanks again to Joy Reed. Thanks again

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Speaker 1: to Angie Nixon. You can get all the links in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. Shout out to Gotham Production Studios here

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Speaker 1: in New York City. Shout out to Rabogren Productions and

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Speaker 1: Pushkin Industries. Shout out to Who Knows Best Productions. This

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Speaker 1: guy right here. Shout out to Chris Dowd from the

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Speaker 1: Legendary Fish Podcast. for doing the theme song to Who

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Speaker 1: Knows Best. And as always, but especially this week, do

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Speaker 1: something good for yourself, do something good for your community,

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Speaker 1: do something good for the world, and that can all

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Speaker 1: be wrapped up in one thing. Vote.