WEBVTT - Part 4: 'A Treasure Trove'

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<v Speaker 1>James Neelon is inside a bland, beige carpeted boardroom. He's

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at a large round table under the dull glare

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<v Speaker 1>of fluorescent light. In his role as the US Ambassador

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<v Speaker 1>in Honduras, he spends a lot of time in rooms

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<v Speaker 1>like this. Today's meeting is in Washington, d C. At

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<v Speaker 1>the Council of the America's It's a group that promotes

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<v Speaker 1>free trade and open markets. A couple dozen other diplomats

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<v Speaker 1>from Central America and the Caribbean sit around the same table.

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<v Speaker 1>It's March, less than two weeks after the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Berte Cassiris. The killing is sure to be a topic

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<v Speaker 1>of discussion today, and Kneelan knows the case well. He

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<v Speaker 1>attended Berta's funeral and he's met with her family, promising

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<v Speaker 1>them whatever support his embassy can provide. But before Kneelan

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<v Speaker 1>can get into all of that, the room erup perfect

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<v Speaker 1>of a gentleman stood up in the middle of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he unfurled a banner and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pointing at me. He said, this man has

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<v Speaker 1>blood on his hands. And it was in reference to

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<v Speaker 1>the Berta cass Race case. A couple of men grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>the activists and began pushing them toward an exit door.

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<v Speaker 1>The protesters fight back, One is shoved hard into a

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<v Speaker 1>door frame on his way out of the room. In Honduras,

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<v Speaker 1>the U s Embassy is a powerful institution. It's capable

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<v Speaker 1>of exerting lots of pressure on local authorities, but for

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<v Speaker 1>some that influence wasn't always welcome. Barretts Or herself had

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<v Speaker 1>been deeply critical of the US and especially it's military,

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<v Speaker 1>ever since her days in El Salvador, when she aided

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<v Speaker 1>leftist rebels there in their fight against the US backed government.

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<v Speaker 1>That distrust of America's motives is shared by many of

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<v Speaker 1>her friends and colleagues in Copaine. For decades, America has

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<v Speaker 1>provided financial and tactical support so the military and security

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<v Speaker 1>forces of Honduras. The US government has also, through business

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<v Speaker 1>development ventures and aid programs, supported private development projects like

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<v Speaker 1>the one behind the Ahwa Zarca dam. Neeland says he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mind being criticized, It's part of the job, but

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of direct accusation that he was personally implicated

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<v Speaker 1>in Barton's death struck a nerve. I guess I personally

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<v Speaker 1>draw the line when people um accuse me of ill intent.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, all I can say is that it was

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<v Speaker 1>always my intention to try and do everything I could

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<v Speaker 1>to bring the resources of the United States to bear

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<v Speaker 1>to help Honduras in our mutual interest. But in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>those protesters were just amplifying a message Berta had been

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<v Speaker 1>repeating for years. She often talked about the negative impact

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<v Speaker 1>of the US, especially the US military, on her country.

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<v Speaker 1>The Awazarka damn she opposed was one example. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dessa employees she'd clashed with had undergone US led

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<v Speaker 1>military training. This is Berta in a two thousand thirteen interview.

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<v Speaker 1>This ex military, This as chief of security, he's ex military.

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<v Speaker 1>And the guy who identifies himself as the head of

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<v Speaker 1>Dessa you went to West Point and was a specialist

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<v Speaker 1>in military intelligence. We're seeing that there is a connection

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<v Speaker 1>in all of these mega projects, both in hydro electricity

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<v Speaker 1>and mining, there's a connection to the military militaries. But

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<v Speaker 1>Barta's relationship with America was complicated. She didn't really view

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<v Speaker 1>America itself as an enemy. She visited the country regularly.

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<v Speaker 1>She had family, brothers, sisters, niece's nephews who lived there.

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<v Speaker 1>She had forged partnerships with US based NGOs, and she

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<v Speaker 1>had even met with several US congress members and senators.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't agree with a lot of what the US

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<v Speaker 1>government did, but she understood that sometimes the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to get Honduran politicians to hear you was to have

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<v Speaker 1>people in America helped deliver the message. I'm monte Reel

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<v Speaker 1>for Bloomberg Green and this is ud River. Hidden away

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<v Speaker 1>in the lower level of the Heart Building where U

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<v Speaker 1>S senators have their offices. You walk down a cavernous hallway,

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<v Speaker 1>turn a corner and find room one. Yellow post it

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<v Speaker 1>notes with little arrows drawn on them are stuck on

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<v Speaker 1>the walls and on the front desk, leading you towards

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<v Speaker 1>someone named Tim Are. That's Tim Riser. If you're down

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<v Speaker 1>in this corner of the US Capital Complex, you're probably

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<v Speaker 1>looking for him. He's the senior foreign policy adviser for

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Senator from Vermont, Patrick Lahy, and Tim is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who runs much of the day to day

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<v Speaker 1>business of a very important Senate subcommittee, the one that

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<v Speaker 1>decides which countries get American aid dollars. The second I

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<v Speaker 1>walk into his office, he nods to a poster sized

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<v Speaker 1>picture of Berta's smiling face. It's hard to miss. The

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<v Speaker 1>poster sits in the window directly behind his desk. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been here since almost the day that Berta Custus was killed.

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<v Speaker 1>Riser was among those on Capitol Hill who had met

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<v Speaker 1>Berta after she'd won the Goldman Prize. In having known her,

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<v Speaker 1>even the slight amount that I did, made it all

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<v Speaker 1>the more sort of personal and just a feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>this was something that we absolutely had to respond to.

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<v Speaker 1>Members of the Cassarus family visited Riser and others on

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<v Speaker 1>Capitol Hill. They spoke about the threats Barta had received

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<v Speaker 1>and the false leads that were pursued in the early

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<v Speaker 1>days of the murder probe. What we saw was first

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<v Speaker 1>of all predictable, an attempt to cover up the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how the police behave in Honduras and countries like

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<v Speaker 1>that all the time, to obscure what happened, or to

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<v Speaker 1>frame somebody else, or to pretend to be investigating when

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<v Speaker 1>really nothing is happening. Um and we saw all of

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<v Speaker 1>that here. Rice Or knew of a very specific way

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<v Speaker 1>to send a message to the Honduran authorities. He could

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<v Speaker 1>withhold the money his subcommittee controlled if the Honduran security

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<v Speaker 1>state couldn't protect Berta and solve a crime like this,

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<v Speaker 1>did it really deserve tens of millions of dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>US financial support? And I think people up here saw

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<v Speaker 1>this as emblematic of a much larger problem and something

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<v Speaker 1>that could not be allowed to just be swept under

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<v Speaker 1>the rug the way these cases so often are. As

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<v Speaker 1>a result, Senator lah He made clear that he was

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<v Speaker 1>not going to allow US aid to Honduras, to the

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<v Speaker 1>government of Honduras, particularly to the police and the armed forces,

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<v Speaker 1>to continue, at least not the aid which this subcommittee

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<v Speaker 1>provides until we saw a satisfactory resolution of this case.

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<v Speaker 1>The U s Embassy in Honduras also offered to assist

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<v Speaker 1>local police. Honduras is a sovereign country in the US

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<v Speaker 1>can just take over an investigation, but Ambassador Neelan told

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<v Speaker 1>Berta's family that the embassy would try to help out

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<v Speaker 1>around the margins. The embassy assigned a Justice Department officer

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<v Speaker 1>to help the Hondurans with technical aspects of the investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>such as telephone data retrieval. It also offered the use

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<v Speaker 1>of the FBI crime Lab for analysis of evidence. Barta's

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<v Speaker 1>older brother says the presence of a US Justice official

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<v Speaker 1>comforted him. He liked the idea that there might be

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<v Speaker 1>someone keeping an eye on the Honduran police as the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation progressed. Today, he believes that helped lead to the

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<v Speaker 1>first arrests in the case, the ones we detailed in

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<v Speaker 1>episode three. But others in the family were wary of

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<v Speaker 1>US involvement, and they remain so to this day. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily see the US embassy and the organizations that

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<v Speaker 1>work closely with its allies. Barretta's daughter, er Tita Isabelle,

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<v Speaker 1>said as much during a rally on the streets of

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<v Speaker 1>New York weeks after the murder. Little is he on

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<v Speaker 1>with you? She repeated her calls for a new independent

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<v Speaker 1>homicide investigation. She said the state run investigation was fatally

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<v Speaker 1>flawed and nothing, not even the assistance from the US,

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<v Speaker 1>would fix that. As Bertita Isabelle addressed people in the

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<v Speaker 1>streets of New York, her colleagues were delivering the same

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<v Speaker 1>message inside Honduras. This is from a BBC report. The

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<v Speaker 1>sun's beating down onto the tarmac here and a crowd

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<v Speaker 1>of demonstrators, I'd say about two hundred people from Copeine,

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<v Speaker 1>the organization that Berta cassid Is co founded, are assembled

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<v Speaker 1>here in front of them a line of riot place.

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<v Speaker 1>And what the people here are demanding is that there

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<v Speaker 1>is an international commission of inquiry that will investigate the

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Berta cassidy Is. They don't trust the hon

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<v Speaker 1>Jurn authorities. The Cassara's family and the protesters wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>Human Rights Commission within the United Nations to conduct a

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<v Speaker 1>parallel investigation, one that ran alongside the Honduran governments. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a precedent for this. Forty three students disappeared in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico and the Commission did set up its own inquiry,

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<v Speaker 1>but this time the Honduran government was not interested in

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<v Speaker 1>more help. They didn't want a third set of eyes

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<v Speaker 1>looking into the case. The Hondurans said that they did

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<v Speaker 1>not need the Inter American Commission support with the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>because they had the FBI support. Roxanna Alfos is a

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<v Speaker 1>professor at UC Berkeley's Law School and the co director

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<v Speaker 1>of the International Human Rights Law Clinic. She says the

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<v Speaker 1>Honduran government used the us IS limited involvement as a

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<v Speaker 1>cover to try to derail a parallel investigation. The Cassarus

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<v Speaker 1>family decided to take matters into their own hands. They

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<v Speaker 1>tapped into a network of international human rights advocates and

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<v Speaker 1>identified several experts with extensive legal and prosecutorial experience. The family,

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<v Speaker 1>with help from several Honduran and international NGOs, convinced those

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<v Speaker 1>experts to dig into the case. The family members decided

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<v Speaker 1>to move forward, and so they chose a group of

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<v Speaker 1>five legal experts to comprise a team to conduct an

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<v Speaker 1>independent and partial investigation, and I was asked to be

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<v Speaker 1>a member of that team. The group was called guy PAY.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an acronym and translated from the Spanish, it stands

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<v Speaker 1>for the International Advisory Group of Experts. Its members included

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<v Speaker 1>attorneys who prosecuted high profile human rights cases around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>cases like the war crime tribunals in the former Yugoslavia

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<v Speaker 1>and prosecutions of military and paramilitary abuse in Colombia. Roxanna

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<v Speaker 1>herself had spent two decades litigating cases, mostly in Latin America.

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<v Speaker 1>These included extra judicial killings and forced disappearances. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>she was reluctant to get involved in this one. She

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<v Speaker 1>was raising two very young kids in California at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>heading to Honduras to investigate murder and corruption seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>a recipe for trouble. She declined, but then reconsidered. She

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<v Speaker 1>says she felt an obligation to help, so in October

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<v Speaker 1>she and the rest of the group got to work.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first thing that we did was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>begin to compile background information. They tried to put the

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<v Speaker 1>crime in the larger context of violence against activists in Honduras,

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<v Speaker 1>and specifically against activists aligned with Berta's organization Copeine. They

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<v Speaker 1>focused only on a three year period from and they

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<v Speaker 1>began compiling a list of instances where Dessa the hydro

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<v Speaker 1>Electric company had threatened, harassed, or violated the rights of

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<v Speaker 1>members of Copine under checkpoints their race. There was just

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<v Speaker 1>three years. We documented a hundred and thirty five incidents

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<v Speaker 1>of violence. So that was the first step understand the context.

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<v Speaker 1>The next step was to look at them criminal investigative file.

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<v Speaker 1>That meant trying to review the evidence that the Honduran

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<v Speaker 1>investigators had so far collected. Roxanna's team asked to see

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<v Speaker 1>all of the tens of thousands of pages of the file.

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<v Speaker 1>The Honduran prosecutors resisted at first, but soon they handed

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<v Speaker 1>over about three thousand pages of it Roxanna and the

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<v Speaker 1>team studied the ballistics reports, the autopsy, and the statements

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<v Speaker 1>that the Honduran investigators had collected. The interviewed witnesses, people

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<v Speaker 1>who knew something about the context, knew something about the

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<v Speaker 1>day of for the threats um and then in July

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand seventeen, after months and months of requests,

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<v Speaker 1>we got access to about fifty five gigs of telephone data.

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<v Speaker 1>This was mostly data that had been collected during the

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<v Speaker 1>raids we detailed in the last episode on May two,

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<v Speaker 1>when police confiscated the phones of four suspects and searched

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<v Speaker 1>Dessa's offices. Those fifty five gigs of data that the

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<v Speaker 1>investigators got amounted to about forty thousand pay ages. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of that was in the form of What's app text messages.

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<v Speaker 1>These texts would become the center of the case, guilt

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<v Speaker 1>or innocence, imprisonment or freedom. Everything seemed to rest heavily

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<v Speaker 1>on those messages, and even now, four years after the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>it still does. Some of those what's app texts were

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<v Speaker 1>sent as part of a group chat. The group, according

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<v Speaker 1>to its what's App heading, was created to discuss matters

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<v Speaker 1>of security at the Ahwa Zarka site. It included members

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<v Speaker 1>of dessa's security team in Rio Blanco, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>some of dessa's high level executives and board members. These

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<v Speaker 1>individuals were so sure of impunity that they texted back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth and and pretty openly regarding their plans to

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<v Speaker 1>neutralize the opposition, to eliminate the opposition to the Damn project.

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<v Speaker 1>With thousands of pages of messages to wade through, there

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<v Speaker 1>were a few obvious time stamps to check out first.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, the morning after Berta was killed, there was

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of chatter. Then The members of the

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<v Speaker 1>group seemed to be following the initial phases of the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation closely to Roxanna's team. It seemed like DESSA was

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<v Speaker 1>getting frequent updates from inside the crime scene. The message

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<v Speaker 1>string from the day after the murder includes a text

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<v Speaker 1>from ADESSA project manager who suggested he'd been in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with a local police chief. He wrote, I've solicited the

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<v Speaker 1>help of the commission her. He confirms his support. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>inform me of details of the murder. He also recommended

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<v Speaker 1>we issue a press release to create some distance from

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<v Speaker 1>these events. Then, just hours after Berts's body was found

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<v Speaker 1>Sergio Rodriguez, Dessa's head of environmental standards and community Relations,

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<v Speaker 1>received a police report on his phone. The report included

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of Berta's wounds and the bloodstains in the bedrooms

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<v Speaker 1>and in the hallway of her house. It also identified

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<v Speaker 1>two suspects, the ones that we talked about in episode one.

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<v Speaker 1>They were Berta's ex boyfriend, Oreleano Molina or Alto, and

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<v Speaker 1>also Gustavo Castro, the Mexican activist who had also been

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<v Speaker 1>wounded in the attack. Sergio forwarded the report to the

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<v Speaker 1>others on the Dessa group chat Roxanna says telephone data

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<v Speaker 1>showed that the report came directly from police in Santa Barbara,

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<v Speaker 1>the province where the Ahwazarka Dam site was located. That

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<v Speaker 1>that information is highly confidential. There is no reason or

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<v Speaker 1>justification that law enforcement should share their preliminary conclusions regarding

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<v Speaker 1>a a murder with a company, But it was completely

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<v Speaker 1>consistent with the relationship that the company had established with

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<v Speaker 1>the police. The company treated the police like their private army.

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<v Speaker 1>But the messages didn't just show a connection to local

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. They also revealed that Dessa executives were in

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<v Speaker 1>contact with the Minister of Security himself. Adasay executive reported

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<v Speaker 1>on the group chat that the Minister had assured the

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<v Speaker 1>company that the murder was being treated as a Leo

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<v Speaker 1>de filed us, or loosely translated, a skirt problem, a

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<v Speaker 1>simple crime of passion, nothing more. Roxanna's team would trace

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<v Speaker 1>the WhatsApp messages back in time for years. Those text

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<v Speaker 1>messages allowed them to sketch a detailed narrative, the story

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<v Speaker 1>of what they describe as a long running and sinister

0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:29.600
<v Speaker 1>corporate conspiracy. You have a treasure trove of evidence in

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<v Speaker 1>this case because the perpetrators were absolutely sure they would

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<v Speaker 1>never be held to account, not just for the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>but for all the other crimes that were being committed.

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<v Speaker 1>In November, more than a year and a half after

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<v Speaker 1>the murder, Roxanna's team released the results of its investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>The group handed its findings over to prosecutors. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the key figures in the plot they outlined was Dootless Bustillo.

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<v Speaker 1>He was one of the four men arrested in May,

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<v Speaker 1>two months after Berta's murder. He was a former lieutenant

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<v Speaker 1>in the Honduran Army, and he'd also spent a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years as the head of security for Dessa in

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<v Speaker 1>Rio Blanco, Berta had known Bustillo well. Even though they

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<v Speaker 1>were on opposite sides of the protests, they sometimes exchanged messages.

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<v Speaker 1>Before she died, beart To complained that the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>his messages to her had changed from business like exchanges

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<v Speaker 1>to aggressive pestering that amounted to sexual harassment. In an

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<v Speaker 1>interview with a Swedish journalists, she described it as abuse

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:56.919
<v Speaker 1>and called Bustillo out by Namestio. Even after that public complaint,

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<v Speaker 1>Bustillo continued to send bear to message. Is. In one exchange,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, along a couple of pictures he'd found of

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<v Speaker 1>her online, who is this? Bear To respond, ha ha ha,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you don't know, he replies. A few more lines

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<v Speaker 1>are exchanged. He tells her she's very beautiful and that

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<v Speaker 1>many men must find her attractive. He writes, I like simple,

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<v Speaker 1>charismatic slender women who are strong and stand up for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>He says he'd love to spend some time with her.

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<v Speaker 1>He sends her a wink emoji. Take care, beautiful lady,

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<v Speaker 1>he writes. Berta doesn't respond to that, but the next

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<v Speaker 1>day bust is back at it. Hello, good morning, and

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<v Speaker 1>Bone appetite since it's lunchtime. He sends a flower emoji again.

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<v Speaker 1>Berta doesn't respond. Another day passes another Hello, Barta, Isabelle,

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<v Speaker 1>he says. Barta finally writes back, it seems you've sold

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<v Speaker 1>your conscience and ideals and you've turned your back on

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<v Speaker 1>the people of Latagra. Latagra that's the name of the

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<v Speaker 1>cluster of homes in Rio Blanco where the opposition to

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<v Speaker 1>Dessa is centered. Bear to ask Bustillo, are you not

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<v Speaker 1>tired of being the frontman for Dessa. Boustillo had stopped

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<v Speaker 1>formally working for Dessa a few months before, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the context of these and other messages, it's clear he's

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<v Speaker 1>still involved in the company's activities. Bustillo replies to Berta,

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<v Speaker 1>I am not a frontman for Dessa, nor do I

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<v Speaker 1>even remember that company. He tells Berta she should encourage

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<v Speaker 1>her people to stop being so ungrateful. Beart To replies

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<v Speaker 1>that she's pretty sure. Boustillo remembers Dessa because he keeps

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<v Speaker 1>repeating the company line. It's sad, she said, to see

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<v Speaker 1>the role that you've been relegated to. Bustio ends the

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<v Speaker 1>exchange with a long string of ha has on November,

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<v Speaker 1>about three and a half months before Barton's murder, Bustio

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<v Speaker 1>sent a message to Adessa Executive. Roxanna's team did not

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<v Speaker 1>identify him in its report because he hadn't been indicted.

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<v Speaker 1>They called him Directivo Trace or Executive number three. Bustillo

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<v Speaker 1>wrote to Executive number three, telling him complete the fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutors believed this was a request for payment and that

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<v Speaker 1>Bustillo was requesting half of what was owed to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Executive Number three responded with a time six pm. He

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<v Speaker 1>followed that with another message, Let's meet in thirty at

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<v Speaker 1>Chili's in Los Proceres Mall. Bustillo seemed confused about exactly

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<v Speaker 1>when they should meet six fifteen or in thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>These were two different times when he expressed confusion. The

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<v Speaker 1>executive row back, Bustilla, get it together. This isn't a party.

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<v Speaker 1>Have everything prepared because it could happen at any time

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>in the course of the day. Roxanna's team believed that

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<v Speaker 1>this time period November was when the murder for Higher

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<v Speaker 1>scheme was first plauded. This is based on messages and

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls exchanged between Bustillo the Dessay executives. The accused

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<v Speaker 1>gunman and Mariano Diaz. Diaz is the military guy whose

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<v Speaker 1>phone was tapped as part of another investigation into a

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<v Speaker 1>drug and kidnapping ring. One of the people Diaz had

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<v Speaker 1>been in regular contact with was Henry Hernandez. He was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the accused hitmen. Their direct messages to each

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<v Speaker 1>other seemed to reference the exchange of a gun and

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<v Speaker 1>payments and additional men who could be hired to carry

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<v Speaker 1>out quote a job from the guy pay Investigators reading

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<v Speaker 1>of the messages, it seemed that this job they were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about was supposed to happen in February, about one

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<v Speaker 1>month before Berta was actually murdered. So what we think

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<v Speaker 1>happened in early February was there is an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>kill that down, a failed effort. The plan, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>was for Henry Hernandez to travel to La Esperanza. There,

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<v Speaker 1>Mariano Diaz was supposed to meet him and give him

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<v Speaker 1>a gun. The Guide A members believed the killing was

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<v Speaker 1>planned for February five, but Berta's daughters were at the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Henry makes it to Leesperanza. He sees that bert isn't

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<v Speaker 1>ever loom and he says, I can't do this. That

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<v Speaker 1>next morning, on February six, Douglas Bustillo send a message

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<v Speaker 1>to Executive Number three. He wrote, mission aborted. Yesterday it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't possible. I will wait for your response. I no

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<v Speaker 1>longer have the logistics in place. I am at zero. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he says mission mission aborted for lack of resources. Executive

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<v Speaker 1>Number three responded to Boustillo with this remember the scene

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<v Speaker 1>um and then says I think he says something like

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<v Speaker 1>receivers or like I got the message. What does it

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<v Speaker 1>remember the scene? It's open for interpretation. I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at that text in the context of the

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<v Speaker 1>plan and means clean up after yourself, at least that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way I would interpret it. After Bustillo was arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators found photos of Berta's house in his phone and

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<v Speaker 1>the day before the actual murder. The chats suggest he

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<v Speaker 1>planned to meet with Executive Number three hours before the murder.

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<v Speaker 1>The phones that investigators believe were used by the accused

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<v Speaker 1>gunmen show them traveling to Laesperanza around the same time

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas Bustillo was searching for pictures of Berta on his phone,

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<v Speaker 1>and about an hour before Berta Cassarus was killed Bustillo

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>was in contact with the accused gunmen. These phone records

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<v Speaker 1>and What'sapp messages later would be used against those who

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<v Speaker 1>had been arrested up to this point, Sergio Rodriguez, Douglas Bustillo,

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<v Speaker 1>Mariano Diaz, and the accused gunman. In June, judge ordered

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<v Speaker 1>that those suspects would go to trial. A few months later,

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<v Speaker 1>GUP published its report, revealing many of these phone intercepts

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, But the report did not publicly

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<v Speaker 1>reveal one piece of information that would soon become critically important.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was Executive number three? Way back in when violence

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>was first breaking out in Rio Blanco. Phone records suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that Executive Number three was hard at work behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember what happened In July A soldier working for Dessa's

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<v Speaker 1>security team shot and killed a coping protester. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>same day, young Christian Madrid, whose family supported the dam

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>was shot and killed in the family cow pasture. Violence

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<v Speaker 1>like that was a potential public relations disaster for Dessa.

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<v Speaker 1>That same day, the executive sent What's App text message

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<v Speaker 1>to his colleagues. It said, pay the reporter from h

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<v Speaker 1>H H H is the name of the top cable

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>news channel and Honduras. He suggested a payment of two

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>thousand olympidas or about eighty dollars. The Guide Bay investigators

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<v Speaker 1>knew the identity of Executive Number three, but they didn't

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>reveal his name and their report. They knew that before

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 1>he joined Dessa, he'd been a high level military intelligence officer,

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<v Speaker 1>and through the phone records they could see that he

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>took an interest in Berta. Sometimes he reached out to

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>her personally, so he's using her as a human source

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<v Speaker 1>of intelligence. So he's taking the information she was revealing

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 1>about her movements directly or and directly about her movements,

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<v Speaker 1>her concerns, and he was feeding that information back to

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<v Speaker 1>his company, and then they were acting on that information.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a classic intelligence cycle. Barrett's family also

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<v Speaker 1>knew exactly who Executive number three was. They've been hearing

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<v Speaker 1>his name from Bear to herself for years, and within

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<v Speaker 1>a few months all of Honduras would know his name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's March two, the two year anniversary of Bart's killing.

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<v Speaker 1>A white Toyota pickup truck pulls up in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a federal building in the city of San Pedro de

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<v Speaker 1>su La. Federal agents in black face masks opened the

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<v Speaker 1>back door of the truck. They lead a man in

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>handcuffs past the cameras and microphones of reporters. Police in

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<v Speaker 1>Honduras have arrested David kept Dios. He is an executive

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<v Speaker 1>of DASA. Casto is being accused of being the mastermind

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<v Speaker 1>behind the assassination of environmental activists but Cassera. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the news reports include very few details about David Castillo's life,

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<v Speaker 1>but they hint an interesting past. He grew up in Honduras,

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<v Speaker 1>but was educated in the United States at the Military

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Academy at West Point. He'd lived in the Washington, d c.

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<v Speaker 1>Area for a couple of years before returning to work

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<v Speaker 1>for the Honduran Armed Forces in intelligence and counter intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>and in before he turned thirty years old, Castillo was

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<v Speaker 1>named executive president of Dessa, where he was in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of developing the Agua Zarca Dam. On the day of

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<v Speaker 1>his arrest, Berta's daughter, Bertita Isabelle, tells CNN that the

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<v Speaker 1>family is relieved than an accused intellectual author behind her

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<v Speaker 1>mother's murder has finally been identified and arrested. Today we

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<v Speaker 1>can begin to believe that we're starting to break the

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>bonds of impunity that we're behind the murder of my

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>mother Berta cases. David Castillo is a person that Copin

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<v Speaker 1>and the family members have denounced from the beginning. Dessa

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<v Speaker 1>issued a statement again denying involvement in Berta's murder and

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 1>defending Castillo's innocence, but Castillo himself has never told his

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:46.320
<v Speaker 1>full story publicly. He spent the last two years in

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>prison awaiting trial. During that time, he's remained something of

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery, the accused mastermind of a brazen murder, waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to make his case. I did not order this, I

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<v Speaker 1>did not participate it in the murder of Bertas there

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<v Speaker 1>is no evidence whatsoever that could link me to killing Alberta.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Blood River, we may be

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<v Speaker 1>accused mastermind. Blood River is written and reported by me

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