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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As you

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Speaker 2: So we have Max Lugavier with us here today.

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Speaker 1: He is a longevity expert, health and science journalist, and

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Speaker 1: the author of the New York Times best selling Genius

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Speaker 1: and we're hope he's a genius so he can tell

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Speaker 1: us all about how to be healthier.

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Speaker 2: Max, welcome, thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much for having me as an honor.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so I've been like scrolling through your stuff and

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Speaker 1: going through your Twitter account and everything, and there's just

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Speaker 1: there is so much. We can't even get to it

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Speaker 1: in the time that we have, but there's so much

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Speaker 1: going on. One of the things that is kind of

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior came out and said that he was going

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Speaker 1: to look at some of these antidepressants and anti anxiety

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Speaker 1: meds and people went crazy about it, which is I

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Speaker 1: think kind of twofold. There's a strong addiction to these medications.

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Speaker 1: People are very upset about letting it go, but not

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Speaker 1: even just letting it go, researching what it's actually doing

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Speaker 2: Why is that happening?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's a great place to start the conversation.

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Speaker 4: I think nuance needs to be brought to the conversation.

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Speaker 4: Of course, everybody today is so polarized and so inflamed

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Speaker 4: about so many different topics, right, But with regards to

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Speaker 4: have an access to medication issue in this country as well,

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Speaker 4: but these kinds of drugs now are being prescribed almost

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Speaker 4: as if from a pez dispenser, which you know, I

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Speaker 3: I don't know if those things still exist, but.

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Speaker 5: No, they do. You're safe, they do, Okay, I'm saying, cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a huge problem. I mean today,

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Speaker 4: many people I think last I checked, in general, one

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Speaker 4: you know, we have to ask ourselves, what is the

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Speaker 1: Well, I so here's a question for you, because I

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Speaker 4: We lack appropriate informed consent, yes, today with regards to

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Speaker 4: depression can actually mimic a type of dementia known as

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Speaker 5: But what is not.

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Speaker 4: again not due to SSRI deficiency, although you know, these

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Speaker 4: what he's asking for. He's asking for greater transparency, greater

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Speaker 1: I saw this the other day where just on Twitter

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Speaker 2: In the world. And yet when.

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Speaker 1: People come to depressed people and say I've got a

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Speaker 2: And they're like, yes, please.

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Speaker 1: And you wonder why we're still depressed, because it's not

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Speaker 2: Can you really cut through that red tape?

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Speaker 1: And this is I think the culture shock in Washington

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Speaker 1: at it and it bothers me because I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I think you described it as something like walking zombies

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Speaker 1: same situation with my grandfather. He was on multiple medications

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Speaker 1: whow how do they know when you have twelve different medications,

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Speaker 4: And you know, I heard it said once that if

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Speaker 4: But what I did was I realized that, Okay, I've

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Speaker 4: But there are ways now elucidated in our most respected

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Speaker 4: if you can't escape the stress, the stressful stimuli, you

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Speaker 4: linked to thirty two different ways that your health can

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have diabetes, they shouldn't have patty livers, they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have all of these problems that we're seeing that we've

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Speaker 1: never seen in children before.

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Speaker 2: But the cancer rate on adults is higher than we've.

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Speaker 1: Ever seen before too, So is this an issue where

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be marketing what is essentially toxic to kids,

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Speaker 1: to humans.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, I mean ultra processed foods now, and I

448
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Speaker 4: think that is that's already like we've already brought this

449
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Speaker 4: conversation to the national stage, whereas you know, even six

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Speaker 4: months ago, I mean, very few people were talking about

451
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Speaker 4: this or it was considered you know, wellness chatter as

452
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Speaker 4: opposed to something that we actually do need at this

453
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Speaker 4: stage to take a magnifying glass too. I mean, I

454
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Speaker 4: cited the fact that sixty percent of your average adults

455
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Speaker 4: calories today come from ultra processed foods. For children, that

456
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Speaker 4: proportion is even higher, it's about seventy to eighty percent.

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Speaker 4: And these are the kinds of foods that now, I mean,

458
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Speaker 4: they're highly calorie dense, they're nutrient poor, So I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is one of the reasons why ninety percent of

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Speaker 4: people today have a deficiency in at least one essential nutrient.

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Speaker 4: They're hyper palatable. So our efforts to moderate our consumption

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Speaker 4: of these foods often fails. And yet we, you know,

463
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Speaker 4: we see that failure as being a moral failure, when

464
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Speaker 4: in fact it's you know, it's it's human nature to

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Speaker 4: want to over consume these foods that are rich in

466
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Speaker 4: nutrients that were scarce for the majority of our time

467
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Speaker 4: on this planet up until very recently, and when these

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Speaker 4: foods are marketed to children, I mean, I think that's

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Speaker 4: where it all goes out the window. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: as any parent knows. I mean, it's hard to ice

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Speaker 4: to let your kids from these kinds of foods. Which

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Speaker 4: isn't to say that a little bit here and there

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Speaker 4: is a problem. I mean, ultimately, your health is made

474
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Speaker 4: up is determined largely by your dietary pattern. There's no

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Speaker 4: single meal or single food that's going to sway your

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Speaker 4: health in any major direction. But when we're consuming these

477
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Speaker 4: foods day in and day out, as so many of

478
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Speaker 4: us are, that's when real problems occur. And so I

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Speaker 4: think it's amazing that we're starting to have this conversation

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Speaker 4: now with at the public scale.

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Speaker 1: It is because even my kids have come home and

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Speaker 1: I've noted that they're like, oh, so and so's off dies,

483
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Speaker 1: and that's how they talk about it.

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Speaker 2: And then so and so's not having seed oils.

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Speaker 1: Her mom's stopping her from having that, so she can't

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Speaker 1: eat this, and she can't eat that, And I'm like, man, suddenly,

487
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Speaker 1: as consumers, we are really looking at labels and really

488
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Speaker 1: taking a step back and saying we're not going to purchase,

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Speaker 1: and that purchasing. You as a consumer, have a lot

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Speaker 1: of power when you're purchasing. And if people in mass

491
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Speaker 1: decide we're not purchasing certain things, then that pushes those manufacturers,

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Speaker 1: those food manufacturers to say, okay, well, maybe we will

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Speaker 1: take all of the artificial die out of lucky charms,

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Speaker 1: you know, or maybe we will reduce this sugar content.

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Speaker 1: But these are all foods that have become something we're

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Speaker 1: used to and we're not as used to. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you say that kids are eating more processed food

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Speaker 1: than adults, that's.

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Speaker 2: Horrifying to me. But also I look at our schools.

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Speaker 1: They're providing lunch, and they're providing breakfast and lunch, but

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Speaker 1: those are not healthy breakfasts and lunches. And that's the

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Speaker 1: frustrating part to me, is like, here, our taxpayer dollars

503
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Speaker 1: are going to put food, and that's better than no

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Speaker 1: food at all. And I do not argue that at all,

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Speaker 1: of course, but I also say, gosh, at what point

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Speaker 1: do we say if you are government and you are

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Speaker 1: supplying meals for children, there has to be some health

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Speaker 1: requirement there too, as well, and that I think that's

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Speaker 1: just this awakening of people. Even when you talked about medications,

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Speaker 1: we have historically never question when a doctor says you

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Speaker 1: need to be on this, and that I think also

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Speaker 1: changed recently. I think that you know, there was a

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Speaker 1: movement a few years ago, really starting out of California

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Speaker 1: before COVID, where parents were like, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: we really need all these vaccinations, and I remember people

516
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Speaker 1: were just bananas about it, like how could you question anything?

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Speaker 1: How could you question what is the standard procedure? And

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Speaker 1: now you have people really saying should we be on

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Speaker 1: all of these medications? Is there a better way to

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Speaker 1: do it? And there is a better way to do

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Speaker 1: it because you don't have to you don't necessarily. I

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Speaker 1: mean the tweet that you put out there was like

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Speaker 1: exercise and sleep and sleep is so critical and that's

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Speaker 1: another thing that we can just put aside. Oh I'll

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Speaker 1: just get I'll catch up on sleep later. You really

526
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Speaker 1: need to figure out how to manage your time so

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Speaker 1: that you can get enough sleep. So my question to

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Speaker 1: you is you, I know you talk about supplements a lot.

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Speaker 1: Our supplements good, our supplement's bad. Is there an opportunity

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Speaker 1: for parents to bring that into their child's word world.

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Speaker 2: What is the story on supplements?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think supplements need to be thought of

533
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Speaker 4: as exactly that supplement supplements, and they're certainly not a

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Speaker 4: replacement for real whole foods, but they can certainly they

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Speaker 4: can make certain aspects of adhering to a healthy diet

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Speaker 4: and lifestyle more convenient. Certainly, you just want to focus

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Speaker 4: on what I call the big rocks, So within the

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Speaker 4: bucket of supplements that have a strong evidence base. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we have supplements like protein powders, which I actually consider

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Speaker 4: it to be a food product, but protein powders can

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Speaker 4: be a great way to augment your diet to hit

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Speaker 4: your protein targets. I mean, the RDA for protein is

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Speaker 4: insufficient for maintaining optimal body composition. I mean we know

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Speaker 4: that from the literature now at this point, the RDA

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Speaker 4: is currently set too point eight grams per kilogram of

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Speaker 4: body weight. We know that for somebody who's on a

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Speaker 4: resistance training regimen, as everybody should be, that we need

548
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Speaker 4: at least double that to maximize the effort that we're spending.

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Speaker 3: Training.

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Speaker 2: How do you know which ones? Though?

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Speaker 1: Because I also saw you talking to someone that said

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Speaker 1: that there's heavy metals.

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Speaker 2: In these protein powder ex like, what.

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Speaker 4: Well, protein powders, you know, are not impervious to the

555
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Speaker 4: same kinds of problems that we see across the the

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Speaker 4: you know, the the Indus. The industrialized nature of our

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Speaker 4: food supply today, so you know, fruits and vegetables can

558
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Speaker 4: often harbor heavy metals depending on where they're grown. You know, what,

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Speaker 4: what is the quality of the soil that our fruits

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Speaker 4: and vegetables are grown in, for example, And the same

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Speaker 4: goes for certain protein powders. And the protein powders in

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Speaker 4: question are the plant based protein powders. Again, plants will

563
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Speaker 4: suck up minerals from the soil, but they will also

564
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Speaker 4: suck up whatever heavy metals tend to be uh lingering around.

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Speaker 5: And so what.

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Speaker 4: The research shows is that plant based protein powder tend

567
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Speaker 4: to be contaminated or you know, at least harbor to

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Speaker 4: a certain degree certain heavy.

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Speaker 3: Metals like lead and cadmium and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: So, unless you have a very specific reason for using

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Speaker 4: plant based protein powders, my view is that you should

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Speaker 4: always be using a way based protein powder, which is

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Speaker 4: dairy based, but a wave protein isolate is actually has

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Speaker 4: negligible quantities of usually the component of way of dairy

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Speaker 4: that gives most people problems. So dairy can be very

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Speaker 4: allergenic for people. It's the most common sort of dietary allergen.

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Speaker 4: But a wave protein isolate has virtually no lactose in it,

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Speaker 4: it has no caseine in it, so it's very well

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Speaker 4: tolerated by people that have dairy, even by people that

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Speaker 4: have dairy sensitivities. And it's the highest biological value source

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Speaker 4: of protein that you could ingest pretty much. So I

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Speaker 4: always say that, you know, if you want to augment

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Speaker 4: the protein in your diet way, protein is should be

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Speaker 4: a staple. And there's also data that suggests that chocolate

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Speaker 4: flavored tend to carry contain more lead because cacao can

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Speaker 4: be a source of lead, and so vanilla ay protein

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Speaker 4: is generally the go to, which I know sounds really specific,

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Speaker 4: but it is the safest kind of supplementary protein that

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Speaker 4: you could that you could buy. So there's a lot there.

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Speaker 4: But but you know, the industrial the industrialized food.

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Speaker 5: Supply, it's a double edged sword.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: We've solved for food scarcity, so food is now more

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Speaker 4: abundant than it's ever been. But it comes with problems.

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Speaker 4: And that's why you know, we again, we can't let

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Speaker 4: perfect be the enemy of the good. Right, if you're

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Speaker 4: consuming dark leafy greens like kale, yes, there's a you know,

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Speaker 4: there's a there's a chance that you're maybe ingesting some

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Speaker 4: heavy metals.

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Speaker 3: Along with it.

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Speaker 4: But the risk benefit analysis, I think the benefits outweigh

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Speaker 4: the risks. You just want to be an informed consumer,

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Speaker 4: the same way that you know, if you're a physicianist

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Speaker 4: prescribing a drug, do you want to be an informed patient.

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Speaker 4: I think this is just now it's a call to

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Speaker 4: arm yourself with as much as much information as you

607
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Speaker 4: can because today, more than ever before, we have fewer excuses.

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Speaker 4: Right like we have AI, we have you know, pub

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Speaker 4: met is available to every person. We have all of

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Speaker 4: the world's knowledge at our fingertips twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 4: and so there's no excuse to not be as informed

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Speaker 4: as you can possibly be for you, for your loved ones,

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Speaker 4: your children.

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Speaker 3: Et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, what is your best advice

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Speaker 1: to people out there that are just trying to get

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Speaker 1: more more energy. You know, we're at that, We're at

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Speaker 1: that point as parents. Once you hit a certain point,

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Speaker 1: you're tired, You're not thinking about your own health, You're

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Speaker 1: thinking about your kid's house. What are some quick things

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Speaker 1: that you can do to just get back on track

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Speaker 1: and sort of change that lifestyle trend of process foods

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Speaker 1: and feeling sluggish.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you just well, first you have to

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Speaker 4: be kind to yourself, like it's we live in complicated times,

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Speaker 4: and I know that you know, whole foods can be

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Speaker 4: more expensive, but I try to lay out of my

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Speaker 4: books ways to cost cut in a way that's super

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Speaker 4: effective but still allows for the most nutrient dense diet possible.

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Speaker 4: So buying frozen I think buying frozen whole foods, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, I have been doing this long enough to

634
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Speaker 4: now see that it's you can go to Target and

635
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Speaker 4: you can get organic food on the cheap. You can

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Speaker 4: buy frozen wild salmon, for example, from Costco. Grass fed

637
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: grass finished beef is now more ubiquitous than it's ever

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Speaker 4: been before. But again, you know, I'm going to repeat this.

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Speaker 4: We can't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

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Speaker 4: I think the fear mongering around industrially produced animal source foods.

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Speaker 3: Is really harmful.

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00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: It's really harmful rhetoric, like even a conventionally produced piece

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Speaker 4: of lean red meat is going to be a much

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Speaker 4: better option for dinner than what most people are consuming

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Speaker 4: today and serving their children. So, you know, I think

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Speaker 4: it's important to get back to basics and to remember

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Speaker 4: to shop the perimeter and you know, foods like red meat, eggs, fish.

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Speaker 4: I mean, these are all great foods. They are whole foods,

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Speaker 4: fruits and vegetables. We've got to stop fear mongering. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the carnivore community fear mongers fruits and vegetables and things

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Speaker 4: like that. I think that's a big shame. So be

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Speaker 4: a critical thinker and apply logic and an evolutionary lens.

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Speaker 4: You know, the longer a food has been available to

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Speaker 4: us as humans, I think, the more we can safely

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Speaker 4: assume that it's going to be worthwhile integrating into our diets.

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Speaker 4: And the less time of food or product has been

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Speaker 4: you know, in the human food supply, I think the

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Speaker 4: greater scrutiny that we should apply to it, the greater

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Speaker 4: skepticism we should apply to foods like refined bleach and

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Speaker 4: deodorized seed oils. I mean, we're told all day long

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Speaker 4: that these are a heart healthy alternative to you know,

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Speaker 4: the fats naturally found in animal source foods. But who's

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Speaker 4: telling us that. Are these studies that we're looking at

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Speaker 4: funded by the seed oil industry for example, I mean

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Speaker 4: there's plenty of that out there. So I just think

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Speaker 4: we all need to get back to a sense of reason, logic,

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Speaker 4: common sense, and yeah, stick to whole food is absolutely

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Speaker 4: is the bottom line.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on and talking to us

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Speaker 1: about all this today.

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Speaker 2: Tell us where we can get the books.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so my books Genius Foods Genius Kitchen is a

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Speaker 4: cookbook actually that came out about a year and a

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Speaker 4: half ago. Those are available wherever books are sold. And

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Speaker 4: then I host my own podcast called The Genius Life,

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Speaker 4: so we put up two episodes a week, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: I really enjoy doing that.

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Speaker 1: And this is where I learned about the protein powders

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Speaker 1: and also that you had one on having a disc

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Speaker 1: replaced in your back and I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, I got to send this to my mom.

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Speaker 1: So really there I was looking through some of the

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Speaker 1: things that you've talked about, and these are all interesting

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Speaker 1: facts about life that.

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Speaker 2: You can learn.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the podcast is very valuable because everybody who's

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Speaker 1: a human going through what humans go through can find

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Speaker 1: something in your podcast.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just trying to take my audience with me

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Speaker 4: along for the ride of curiosity and lifelong learning. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not perfect. I try to be as

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Speaker 4: maybe you know, evolved my my perspective on certain things,

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Speaker 4: and so I think that's what my audience appreciates. Like

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Speaker 4: the science, science has never settled anybody who says that,

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Speaker 4: I mean that right there, that is a pseudo scientific statement.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, just maintain an open mind, be a critical thinker,

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Speaker 4: and good.

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Speaker 3: Things will happen.

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Speaker 2: I agree. So okay, before I let you go, where's

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Speaker 2: the podcast?

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Speaker 4: Podcast available wherever people listen to podcasts. We're also on

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Speaker 4: YouTube again. It's called The Genius Life.

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Speaker 1: All right, awesome, Max luga Vier, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being on good thank you, and thank you all

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Speaker 1: for listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast.

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Speaker 2: For this episode and others.

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Speaker 1: Go to tutordisonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time.

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Speaker 2: Have a blast ding