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Speaker 1: The list is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am

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Speaker 1: Dale Lolly. He is Matt Williamson, and this is the drive.

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Speaker 1: You have found us here on Steelers Nation Radio. And

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Speaker 1: if you've just found us, where you been at We've

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Speaker 1: been here forever. But Matt, a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: we put together our list of seventeen players that we

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Speaker 1: would take at seventeen. Yeah, and you know, I think

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Speaker 1: when you start looking at it in that fashion, you

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Speaker 1: get a pretty good idea of what the Steelers are

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Speaker 1: going to do, or what they should do, or what

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Speaker 1: they could do. We both did this again. We've updated

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Speaker 1: our list. We didn't include quarterbacks. We didn't include jeonn Robinson. Right,

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Speaker 1: And did you include any I didn't.

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Speaker 2: No, tight ends, I did not. Yeah, I would consider them.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think any was worth it.

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Speaker 1: You would consider them. I don't think the Steelers would.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is this height end class is

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Speaker 2: so incredibly deep. I don't think it's smart to consider

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Speaker 2: one at seventeen. There isn't one that stands.

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Speaker 1: Way, but a lot of teams do that.

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Speaker 2: Because of this, I could see it being slow, but

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Speaker 2: then when the snowball starts, I could see the snowball

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Speaker 2: like a run up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just I

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Speaker 2: want to get one of them. What I like about

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Speaker 2: this exercise is we put seventeen names together fully knowing

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Speaker 2: we don't have to ever get to seventeen. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Bryce Young is going to be gone. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's not on our list.

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Speaker 1: You're probably looking at getting a guy somewhere between the

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Speaker 1: numbers eight and fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Because the cornerbacks are going to go. There's a possibility

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Speaker 1: that Bejon Robinson goes. There's a possibility that one of

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Speaker 1: those tight ends goes.

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Speaker 2: There's you know, I'm not looking at your list, but

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Speaker 2: my hunches are top seven will both be really similar

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Speaker 2: and they'll all be gone. Yeah. But you might be

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Speaker 2: sitting there in the real world and you're looking at

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Speaker 2: your ninth or tenth best player on this list and

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Speaker 2: someone says, hey, you want to go to twenty.

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Speaker 1: That's why you do this. This is ye this you exercise.

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Speaker 1: If you get to pick seventeen and five of the

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Speaker 1: guys in your top seventeen are available. That tells you that, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: we can move down to easily move down to twenty

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Speaker 1: two and still get one.

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Speaker 2: Of our guys in one of our guys, and you

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Speaker 2: hope there's not too much of a tear break from

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Speaker 2: eight or nine to seventeen. Like if seventeen is somebody

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Speaker 2: you can't live with, well then maybe they shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: on this list, right because you know you're not going

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Speaker 2: to get to them anyway. Yeah, you know at seventeen.

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Speaker 2: So let's go. And I'll be honest, I've changed.

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Speaker 1: You've tweaked this thing more than well somebody looking for

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Speaker 1: their fix on a on a Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: Twelve hours, I've emailed you four lists that have changed,

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Speaker 2: and two of them in the last hour.

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Speaker 1: You're like a meth addict over there, right, your draft addict.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, this is what they have to do. Though.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we'll get to some of the names, but

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Speaker 2: there's about five names there that I think are really

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Speaker 2: of them. I mean, that's what the conversation, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right now, and it's probably going on probably yesterday today,

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Speaker 1: and maybe even a little bit into tomorrow, stacking those guys. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: are guys are making their their Hey, I want this guy.

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Speaker 1: We could do this, we could do that, we could

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Speaker 1: He's the cook, he's the cook, right, you know, he

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Speaker 1: the roster and going, well, we have similar grades in

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Speaker 1: all five of these guys. But here's where how I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody at this point, every position coach, every

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Speaker 2: to coach Tomlin and say, I really like Brian Bridge,

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Speaker 2: you know, like you're still lobbying down until consensus is made.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then once the board is set, the border set,

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Speaker 1: and that's when you you know, you hear the term

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Speaker 1: we made a Steelers pick. That's what that that's what

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Speaker 1: that means. They've come to that consensus. There's no arguing,

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Speaker 1: there's no you know, if you look at and you

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Speaker 1: Steelers draft room.

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Speaker 2: Game to anybody ever come into the draft room.

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Speaker 1: Because when when that pick, when when the time comes

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Speaker 1: a lot of times the Steelers have run that thing

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Speaker 1: up to the because they know who they're going to take,

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Speaker 1: because they've done the list.

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Speaker 2: So let's get to our list, okay, and I'll be honest,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we both have Jalen Carter at number one, right,

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Speaker 1: and the player I would trade up for. I just

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Speaker 1: think he loves football. He doesn't play hard. You hear

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Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. Teams are trying to talk

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Speaker 1: other teams into he's really.

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Speaker 2: Good at playing football when he does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that much. I'll light a fire under him.

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Speaker 1: We both have will Anderson number two.

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Speaker 2: And there's a I would never trade up for him.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a fine player, but he's not. I

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, he would look great opposite T. TJ.

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Speaker 1: we both have Christian Gonzalez.

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Speaker 2: I don't know your list, So if he got the ten,

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Speaker 1: I'd think about it. I have that conversation, think about yeah,

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Speaker 1: you start to have that conversation in the movization, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He would be a number one corner.

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Speaker 1: At four, you have Tyree Wilson. I have Paris Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have Johnson at five, and I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: I have very little interest at all in Tyree Wilson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Paris Johnson is the best tackle in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that he's transcending it the position, but

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Speaker 1: I do believe that he's a ten to twelve year

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Speaker 2: Are you if he gets to ten? Are you at

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Speaker 1: I at least have the Yeah, I think that's gone.

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Speaker 1: That's the conversation when people talk about it, Well, the

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Speaker 2: And I understand it.

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Speaker 1: I understand it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this soon, but offensive tackles just don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think he gets a ten.

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Speaker 1: At five. You have Paris Johnson at five. I have

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Speaker 1: Devon Witherspoon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have him soon, But yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: I just I think there's a gap for me through

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Speaker 1: I think both are really good players. And you know, again,

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Speaker 2: I might go from seventeen to fourteen. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I go seventeen to ten.

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Speaker 1: Like I think. I think the guys that I would

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade up for will Anderson. No, but if

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Speaker 2: Or quarterbacks and Bijon go, well they could Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: At six, you have Broderick Jones. At six, I have

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Speaker 1: Broderick Jones.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I like him quite a bit. I think there's

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Speaker 2: The Aaron Rodgers change trade changes as slightly but not much.

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Speaker 2: There's just a lot of tackle landing spots from Bears, Titans.

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Speaker 1: And tackles always go. It's not sexy, it's not the

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Speaker 1: you know the pick that the fans all pound, oh,

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Speaker 1: we got this guy, but they always go I can

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Speaker 1: remember doing a mock draft. We did a fan mock draft.

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Speaker 1: This was probably ten years ago, and it was myself,

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Speaker 1: Bob Labriola, and Missy Matthews, and it was a Steelers

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Speaker 1: we'd take a phone call and the fans would make

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Speaker 1: that pick. We're like twenty eight picks into that and

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Speaker 1: not one offensive lineman a gone because it's all the

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Speaker 3: Guys are people that they had heard of. And Bob

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Speaker 3: kept starting, Yeah, Bob kept start and going, I don't

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Speaker 3: have a problem with that pick. But I'm just telling

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Speaker 3: just not how the draft goes.

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Speaker 2: The twenty nineteen would be pretty happy to have their

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to fight you on any of these

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Speaker 2: top seven on the order, but if Jones is there,

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Speaker 2: I'd be thrilled. I just don't think he can get

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Speaker 2: of some sort if they were somehow protect your investment,

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Speaker 2: right right, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's seven. You have Devin Witherspoon. At seven, I have

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Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's fine. Yeah, I easily could put Wilson at seven.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan. At eight, and now I think

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Speaker 1: At eight, you have Darnell Right.

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Speaker 2: And I've changed fifty times.

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Speaker 1: At eight, I have Brian Branch who I have at nine?

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Speaker 1: Who you have at nine?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I just went with the tackle theory. Tackles are

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Speaker 1: Left, which I'm sure he said, Oh, of course he

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Speaker 2: You know, but and skill set wise he can do it.

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Speaker 2: He's light enough feet.

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Speaker 1: But because if you want the job, you say what

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Speaker 2: You know you want to coach? Yeah, and Chukes has

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Speaker 1: Tell you right now having had conversations with Chucks a

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Speaker 2: No, but he also only has one year left on

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Speaker 1: Right, there's that, right, right?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? I mean so I just think that this

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Speaker 2: hard position to find. And maybe right or Chukes doesn't

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Speaker 1: My plan for that would be that Darnell Wright opens

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Speaker 2: That's a wonderful plan. But I think he might be

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Speaker 2: your best tackle from day one. And I'm not setting

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Speaker 1: Well, then you got a ten million dollar tackle on

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Speaker 2: Moore, and one of these other guys needs to learn

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Speaker 2: how to play the left side.

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Speaker 1: I just think play Chus has been your starting right

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Speaker 2: They good at it. I mean it's been the right

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Speaker 2: side line has been very solid for you. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to mess with that.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We'll see Darnell might need to be a left tackle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I had Branch at eight, you have Branch at nine.

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Speaker 1: I just think he I love him. He kills so

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Speaker 2: Just listed, and it should be I legal questions with right,

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Speaker 2: there's no questions at all with Branch, it's just so

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Speaker 2: much easier to find slots and safeties than it is

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Speaker 1: I understand that, but I think you know when you

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Speaker 1: start looking at Branch. You know, Mike Tomlin has shown

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Speaker 1: over the years that he really likes those safeties, that

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Speaker 1: they can those hybrid type safeties, and they can play

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Speaker 1: in the nickel, they can do those kind of I mean,

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Speaker 1: love the honey Badger, you know, love. It's just time

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Speaker 2: I just head for the game as an a plus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't have enough of those kind of guys

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Speaker 1: have Jackson Smith and Jigba. At ten, you have Jackson

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Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba. I think he's the best wide receiver

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Speaker 2: YEP.

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Speaker 1: I think it's not necessarily a need, but he's just

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Speaker 1: such a good football player that I couldn't pass on it.

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Speaker 2: Me too. A week ago, I would have had Smith

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Speaker 1: Now the need is lessened a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, And is it foolish to say

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Speaker 2: re signing Boykin and making a trade for Alan Robinson

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Speaker 2: who struggled the last two years and thirty year old

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Speaker 2: should change your opinion on Smith and Jigba. Maybe it shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a phenomenal player, but all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: I have six receivers I like, and I'm playing on

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Speaker 2: keeping six and maybe you do draft one. But if

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Speaker 2: you're splitting ties, I think he loses those ties then Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At ten, you know Smith and Jigba. I have Miles Murphy.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do with him, but I

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Speaker 1: I just think he is a really, really good football player,

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Speaker 1: high motor guy. Yeah, I'll figure it out with him.

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Speaker 1: I know people look at that. Well, you know they

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Speaker 1: play a three four defense. I don't care they play

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Speaker 2: They play a five man front a lot too. Without

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Speaker 2: I probably have him too low, to be very honest

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Speaker 2: going to mix in. And I keep hearing, well, if

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Speaker 2: you do that, then you're never going to be able

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Speaker 2: to resign high Smith. I'm like, it's not the same.

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Speaker 1: He's not. They're not the same. Don't look at him

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Speaker 1: as a high Smith replacement. No, people see people see

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Speaker 2: They're not all the same. They don't have somebody that

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Speaker 2: looks like him and does what he does right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he's hard to block.

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Speaker 1: Very hard to block. Yeah, plays the run, well said,

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Speaker 1: you know, can do everything that you want, kicks inside, sure,

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Speaker 2: And if TJ missus time, you don't have that catastrophic

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Speaker 2: problem that's been an issue here, not to mention in

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Speaker 2: I love him and I probably have him too low.

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Speaker 1: At eleven. You have Brian burse at eleven. I have

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Speaker 2: I mean we've talked about him to no end. I

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Speaker 2: have no more doubts about him now than ever, But

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Speaker 2: there are questions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually heard an interview with him yesterday on

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Speaker 1: the Serious NFL and just a quality person. The thing

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Speaker 1: people are dinging him with you know, he didn't have

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Speaker 1: a great year last year. He was in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: He shouldn't have played all should.

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Speaker 1: Probably should have played. His sister died in September, right

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Speaker 2: Younger sister pass away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his little sister, who I'm sure he grew up with.

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Speaker 1: He's the big brother, right right. Then he had a

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Speaker 1: strep throat that caused a kidney infection that can't be good.

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Speaker 1: That forced him to miss four games. You know, so

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Speaker 1: I you know, you go back and watch his bowl game.

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Speaker 2: His bowl game's phenomenal, ridiculous. Freshman's tape is phenomenal. So

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Speaker 2: he has a lot of great tape out there and

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Speaker 2: his bad tape, and his bad tape isn't bad bad,

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Speaker 2: but his lesser tape is very easy to explain away.

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Speaker 2: But and there's not many tackles in this draft.

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Speaker 1: There are fewer defensive tackles than corners than corners or

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Speaker 1: even offensive tax even edge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's what murphy, and Murphy's a cleaner prospect.

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Speaker 2: But I just thought the tackles harder to find, and

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Speaker 2: it's a bigger Steeler. Need to me.

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Speaker 1: It's twelve, I have Darnell, right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, at twelve, you have Joey Porter. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 2: be fine if Porter's the pick at seventeen, and it's

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Speaker 2: unbelievably chocky, and there's a lot of people listening saying,

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Speaker 2: just run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why is he higher? I have him at thirteen.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Okay, I don't know about his change

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Speaker 1: of direction at all.

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Speaker 2: He didn't run. He didn't run a shuttle or a

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, because he's not real good at it. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's good at stuff, but he's not a great change

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Speaker 2: of direction. Guy. He's a big battleship. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: change direction. But that battleship is nasty. I like it,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'd be fine with a pick. But we

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Speaker 2: also haven't brought up Deontae Banks yet. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that you have to take a corner in the first

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Speaker 2: round to be just to fill your corner neat.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, I am going. I think that's something to me.

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Speaker 2: Like it less and less.

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Speaker 1: I like it less and less. Yeah, And I had

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Speaker 1: trouble ranking Porter and Banks. I might like Banks better,

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Speaker 1: And it just depends on what day of the week

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Speaker 2: He's more fluid, yeah, I mean, just in terms of changes.

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Speaker 1: In the size, there's not much difference in the side, right,

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Speaker 2: Either one takes the ball away a lot, but also

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Speaker 1: You have Banks at thirteen, I have Banks at fourteen.

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Speaker 1: So we have those two guys ranked back to back,

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Speaker 2: I think you have to yeah, and I'd be happy

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Speaker 2: Those It's not easy finding long, tall corners that run

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Speaker 2: great skill sets. But I can get somebody I can

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Speaker 2: live with. On day two.

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Speaker 1: At fourteen, you have Miles Murphy at fourteen, I have Banks.

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Speaker 1: We are our top fourteen are all the same, just

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you agree, but the next three

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't love. At seventeen, this is where one of

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Speaker 2: them is going to be gone. I know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know the Linean's going to be gone. I don't

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Speaker 2: know who you're bought next three fifteen.

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Speaker 1: I have Peter Scronsky.

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Speaker 2: I have him at sixteen. It's not going to matters.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to be there, but I think the

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Speaker 2: He's sitting there at seventeen. You take it yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: We'll figure out where you're gonna put him, but you

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Speaker 1: know he'll be in the mix somewhere. You have Jay Flowers.

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Speaker 1: I had Jay Flower on my list and I bumped

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Speaker 2: I understand that.

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Speaker 1: Flowers again, I think he would.

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Speaker 2: My list is really a fourteen player list, and Skeronsky

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Speaker 1: Ye. At the time, you have Skeronsky at sixteen, I

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Speaker 2: He was on my original seventeen and I like him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's another projection, you know, like I would rather have

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Speaker 2: Miles Murphy. Smith would be useful. He's a hard guy

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Speaker 2: to block, but he's I don't know that he's in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like the player a lot. I think

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Speaker 1: taking to the athlete, the character and plugging that in

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Speaker 1: we both have the same guy, Lucas van Ness, the

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Speaker 1: argument that you'd have with my With Miles Murphy, Well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's like Miles Murphy. He's six five,

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Speaker 2: I like Murphy noticeably more as a prospect than van Ness.

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Speaker 2: Clearly you do as well, we've had. I think he's

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Speaker 2: a lot more fluid bendy where van Ness is run

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Speaker 2: middle of NFL guards and centers like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like he did in the college game, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And again I like the motor on both guys. I

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Speaker 1: think both guys are you know, they don't take plays off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I do think Murphy has a better skill set.

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Speaker 2: I do too. I would much rather have Murphy, especially

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Speaker 2: for how the Steelers would use him. I don't know

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Speaker 2: the van Ness can be a three to four outside linebacker.

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Speaker 2: And again I don't care about that stuff as much

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Speaker 2: as he used to. But in a traditional sense, he

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Speaker 2: is not dropping in the coverage. He's not Jason Gilden

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Speaker 2: or Porter or you know. He would be useful, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think he can do those things as well

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Speaker 2: as Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's our list, and other than Nolan Nolan's

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Speaker 2: But I think really the list is from eight to fourteen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you and I could fight to no end

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Speaker 2: over and this is what they're doing, right Branch Smith

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Speaker 2: and the JIGBA probably doesn't matter, Probably not probably right

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Speaker 2: Branch per Se, Porter Banks, Murphy. Yeah, those six names,

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Speaker 2: I think we would both agree. I'll take those six.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be at least one of them are

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Speaker 1: three or four of them that are available. Five maybe five.

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Speaker 2: Could be all six and I'd be fine with all

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Speaker 2: of them. I hate having to rank those guys, though,

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Speaker 2: that's what they have to do today.

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Speaker 1: And if all six of them are available when you

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Speaker 1: come up, when your pick comes up at seventeen, now

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Speaker 1: I can move back to twenty three. We're even farther back,

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Speaker 1: because there's a good chance that if I move back

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Speaker 1: to say twenty five, and I've got six guys that

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Speaker 1: I like her, all six of them aren't going to

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Speaker 1: be gone.

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Speaker 2: All six one probably will not be gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there'll be receivers that go in they'll be.

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Speaker 2: Van Nest will go in there. Maybe if they flowers

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Speaker 2: height end starts coming off the board, maybe Beijon is

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Speaker 2: still there. You know, So I like that. I mean

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Speaker 2: sticking at picking at seventeen, I bet you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: a tough decision between at least two or three guys,

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Speaker 2: sticking and picking, sticking and picking.

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Speaker 1: That's like, is that like picking and grinning a song

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 2: But I'd be happy with all those guys we just mentioned.

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Speaker 2: That was six names we mentioned. I'd be happy with

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Speaker 2: all of them. I have a really hard time ranking them.

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Speaker 1: No, I do as well. And that's why this draft

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Speaker 1: is so interesting. I Mean, usually you look at things

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty cut and dried, but again, with everything

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Speaker 1: that the Steelers did this offseason, not as cutting dry

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Speaker 1: as it usually is.

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Speaker 2: And of those six, there might be one sitting there

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Speaker 2: at twenty eight. Yeah, there might be one that gets

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Speaker 2: out of the first round. You might get two of

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Speaker 2: these guys if you play your It.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean those guys stink at all. I just think

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Speaker 1: in this draft, once you get out of that top ten,

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Speaker 1: the next thirty guys could go in any order. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: aasually it might be bigger than that.

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Speaker 2: It would take some finagling and some help from other teams.

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Speaker 2: But if you went from seventeen to twenty two, and

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Speaker 2: you went from thirty two to twenty eight, and maybe

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Speaker 2: you get a little gravy in between, you get two

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Speaker 2: of these guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which would be awesome. How great would that be? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be awesome. Hey, you can subscribe now to

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Speaker 1: our final mock draft.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be a twist, a little twist this time around.

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Speaker 1: I am biting off a lot. We're gonna give it

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Speaker 1: a shot though, and see how it goes. We'll do

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Speaker 1: that right after this