WEBVTT - Selects: How Jet Lag Works 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:05.120 Hey everybody, Good morning to you. If it's Saturday morning, 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:09.200 good afternoon, if it's Saturday afternoon, good evening, or good night. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:11.960 If it's Saturday evening or night. And if it's not Saturday, 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.800 then what are you even doing here? This is our 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.840 Selects episode selection for the week. I am your co 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.040 host Charles W Chuck Bryant, and I went with How 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.320 jet Lag Works is from February twelfth, twenty thirteen. And 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.920 jet lag is just a bit of a drag for 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.640 anyone that travels over long distances. We've all probably felt 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.960 it at one point or another, and this is a 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.559 great explainer on exactly how it works and how you 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:47.360 can best combat it. So enjoy, happy flying. Welcome to 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:56.400 Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.080 welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.960 always as Charles. To you, Chuck Bryant, who just flew 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.520 in to be here. Yeah, I was, I was on 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.960 the concord. I was just in Paris. Dude, dude, I've 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.399 seen a concord. Oh yeah yeah. The Air and Space 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:17.039 Museum m not the one in downtown DC, yeah, but 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.360 the one out by Dullest Airport. At the new museum. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.559 Oh my god, it's awesome. I wanted on board so bad. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.399 But it's like you're standing right next to and underneath 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.959 a concord. It's cool. They also have like Discovery Space 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.280 Shuttle Discovery, You're standing right next to that. It's a 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.000 really neat museum. Why did they end up grounding the concord? 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.560 Was it not cost efficient? It was? It wasn't and 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.280 like any time there was any kind of problem, like 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:47.160 everyone died really oh my god. Yeah. But also the 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.720 US outlaw and supersonic air travel, so like you couldn't 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:56.960 fly across the interior of the continent, okay, um, which 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.280 cut out like a lot of revenue source. Yeah. So 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.800 basically it was just um and I don't think Air 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:07.280 France or British Airways ever even broke even in all 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.160 those years on Concord flights. Yeah. But and then in 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.600 two thousand and three there was that most recent crash, 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.440 that last crash, and after that that was it for 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.000 the Concord. Yeah. I think, Um, if I'm not mistaken, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.480 my friend Justin who you know, his mom when they 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.079 had like some final flights of the Concord, flight of 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.919 the Concord Yeah, she went on one of those. Yeah, 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.960 as like just to do it. I think I'd be 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.360 wrong with that, but I seem to remember that from 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.040 my past. You could go from London to New York 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.400 in five hours? What is usually like eight? Yeah, eight 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.680 or nine or something. Yeah. And do you remember when 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.919 Phil Collins played Band Aid, he played a show in London, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.760 they got on the concord flute to New York and 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.880 then played a show there. Yeah, like in the same night. Yeah, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.480 that was pretty cool. That was it live a Yeah, 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.600 but you know what's the difference. The one thing I 0:02:55.680 --> 0:03:00.120 knew was that it wasn't far made Phil Collins. Oh 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.359 did he play Farmade? I don't think so. That was 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.040 more Willie Willie and Mellencamp and Neil Young and all 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.800 those cats. Yeah. So, um, Phil Collins flying back and 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.440 forth between London and New York to deliver his concert. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.680 So thank god that happened. I love Phil Collins, I 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:23.359 think though, really, Oh yeah, dude, that wouldn't have been 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.440 possible had it not been for something that we'd like 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.080 to call the jet age. Yes. Starting around the late fifties, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.360 the jet became the preferred motive travel, which, interestingly a 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.880 ticket on a jet was actually less than a ticket 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:42.280 on like a propeller piston engine plane. Oh, relate first, Yeah, interesting, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.960 isn't that interesting? Yeah, But in the late fifties you 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.280 had McDonnell, Douglas and Boeing really kind of duking it 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.600 out to create the jet to get people very quickly 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.880 from one part of the country to another. Yeah, and 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.800 it opened up commercial air travel and all of a sudden, 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.560 you didn't have to be the richest person in the 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.800 world to get from you know, New York to la 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.480 you know, without having to drive or taking forever to 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.640 get there a train, prop plane, whatever. Yeah, and admit 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.640 a jet lag essentially. Well, there you go, Thanks for 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.719 finishing my intro for me. Well, we've only been around, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.839 we've been leaping time zones for less than a hundred years, 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:28.920 so there are some beliefs that eventually we may evolve 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.440 out of jet lag. Yeah, but for now, we haven't 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.400 been doing it long enough. Now, it's been like fifty 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.320 sixty years. Yeah, our bodies to even know what the 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.520 heck is going on, right, And that's pretty much what 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.279 jet lag is. Our body does not know what's going on. Yeah, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.120 there's another term for jet lag. It's called desynchronosis. That's 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.840 a great word for it. Yeah, your body has a 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:54.840 biological clock, and when you travel from one time zone 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.920 to another in fairly short order, your body gets out 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.839 of sync with its environment, and all of a sudden, 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:04.520 all cues that uses to regulate itself and all sorts 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:08.360 of things that your body does it gets out of sink. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.760 And what happens when you get out of sink, Well, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.160 there's a lot of stuff that happens, Chuck, I'm glad 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:19.320 you asked that. You can have cognitive problems, problems thinking 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.960 and problem solving and just general mental problems short term 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.160 of course and temporary, but still you're not thinking quite right. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.880 Health problems. There is a study in two thousand and 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:35.040 six from the University of Virginia that found out that 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.480 lab rats who were given jet lag, who were exposed 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.240 to simulated jet lag, yeah, which is basically I think 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:48.760 a DC to Paris flight once a week for I 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.240 guess most of their lives. Probably older ones died much 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.840 more quickly than younger ones. Yes, so if you're old, 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.200 which I've noticed that my jet lag has gotten worse 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.920 as i've aged. Yeah, for sure, I didn't used to 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.440 get jetlagged at all. Yeah, I didn't know what the 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.279 big problem was, and now it's like one of the 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:13.839 worst things that can ever happen to you. Yeah. Well yeah, fatigue, alertness, irritability, disorientation, depression, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.880 gas rontestinal illnesses. Yeah, it can really mess you up. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:22.200 That comes from flying too. Get air gas. It just 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.479 the change in pressure like creates really gas. It's not 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.839 like methane or anything. It's just like gas bubble in 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.320 your guts. So you've like fart a lot on planes 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:35.159 or after you got you can as a result. Sure, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.599 and you know what you should do. People. By the way, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.200 I'm gonna insert some flying etiquette here in there. Are 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.960 you gonna get up and go to the bathroom and fart? 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.039 Don't fart in your seat? Why are you looking at me? Well, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.120 because you're a cross room me. Okay, now, I just 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.560 you know me and flying Now it's just so annoying 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.400 to me because it's like a eighteenth century, you know, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.599 bus station these days when you were flying he laughing. 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:05.919 Everybody's wearing like pajamas and like teenage girls with their boots. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.720 Oh my gosh, it's stressed appropriately. You don't even have 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.480 to dress up. But it's like, like, I don't want 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.119 to see what you look like in your living room, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.320 you know. I know, Well, you take your shoes off, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.360 which is something I'm There's nothing wrong with that because 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.720 my feet do not smell. If my feet smelled in 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.360 my shoes smelled, I wouldn't take them off. I'm very, 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.320 very aware of that kind of thing. But it's funny 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.600 that you bring that up because the other night I 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:35.720 watched Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, which is that movie really 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.880 holds up, and John Candy takes his shoes off and 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.800 it takes the socks off, and I thought, well, I 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.200 don't take my socks off, right, But I thought of 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.280 you because I know that you think that's a terrible 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:49.840 thing to do. Yeah, I just think he should remain 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.800 fully clothed when you're out in public like that. I'm 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:53.320 cool with taking the shoes off, as long as the 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.280 socks stay on and your feet don't stay But okay, 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:00.000 so you're on a plane, You're you've got all these 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.040 symptoms awaiting you, and if you are part of the 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.480 ninety four percent of Americans, you are going to get 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.720 jet lag. Yeah, I wonder what's going on with a 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.960 six percent. They're probably like younger people who don't know 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:19.240 what they're talking about. You think, yes, interesting because it's biological. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.520 I just I bet you there's something to that six percent. Besides, 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.160 you're five years old, you think. I doubt if they 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.360 interviewed a lot of five year olds about jet lack 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.200 for the study, well not five, but I mean, like, 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.720 I think I was American ager. I was like, what's 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.959 everyone's problem with jet Like I don't understand what they're 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:39.679 talking about. Yeah. So, And I specifically remember being interviewed 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.520 in nineteen ninety eight to ask if I got jetlag, 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:46.280 and I remember going like, no, no, but it is 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.840 a problem. It's unpleasant for some people. But if you're 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.000 in the military, or if you're some huge, big shot CEO, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.240 they worry that, you know, could impair you as a 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.319 pilot or as a soldier, or as a big thinker 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.160 and the head of a company or deal closer. Yeah, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.319 you don't want some some jet lags ceo lady going 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.920 in there and not making good decisions and making a 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.240 bad deal. Yeah, how can you be a game changer 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.720 if you don't have your a game on. That's got 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.040 to be the motto of some company. It probably is. 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.280 I thought I just made it up knowing the plug 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:28.079 somebody like Price Fister or something. And then what was 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.840 the other study? In two thousand and ten the Universe 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.719 at cal they did a study of hamsters. Yeah, and 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.160 it said that um on the health tip that the 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.599 the lab rats created new neurons at about half the 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.520 rate of rats who did not fly. So yeah, that's 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.000 not good. Now your brain is literally not functioning as 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.160 well as it should. It's not growing. Nope. Um, And 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:54.080 I said about the dying from that study about rats 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.000 dying from being exposed to jet lag, Yeah, the older 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.920 ones and um, they've also found that in humans you 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:07.680 can have a harder menstruation if you're a lady, and 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.760 you can develop heart disease and diabetes more readily. Basically, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.480 your entire body is just totally thrown out of whack. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:22.080 You're hungrier at weird times. Sure, you're just out of it. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.640 You're you just don't feel good, stressed out, you have 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:29.520 a lot of stress hormones going. So what's going on, Chuck? 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.199 What is jet lag? Jet lag? Well, we need to 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.520 talk about the biological clock that we all have. It's 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.920 basically the article here describes it of groupings of interacting 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.240 molecules and cells throughout the body. That's a good way 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.439 to say it. Everything's working together. They tell our glands, Hey, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.959 release these hormones at this time of day to make 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.640 you sleepy, melatonin, which we'll get to in more detail. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.719 Maybe adjust your body temperature. It's a couple hours where 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.720 you're gonna wake up, so let's make you really hot 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:01.400 for some reason. And the body is all in tuned 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:07.440 with each other, all these things firing like a master timepiece. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.360 Who wrote this anyway? This was that was a pretty 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.800 good Patrick Tiger. He's done some good stuff. Yeah, it 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.320 is a master timepiece. And there are twenty thousand nerve 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.920 cells called the super a chiasmatic nucleus we'll called the SCN. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.040 It's at the front of the brain, right near the 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:27.080 optic nerve, and that is what keeps your circadian rhythm 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.720 in your sleep and waking cycles going. Yeah, like clockwork. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.839 That's it. That's the biological clock the sea. Yep, it's 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.920 pretty neat um And the fact that it's located by 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.600 the optic nerve is kind of telling. Yeah, because one 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.480 of the ways that it sets itself it actually has 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.760 a it's on a set cycle twenty four point six 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.559 five hour cycle. Yeah, and it's since it's off a 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.120 little bit, um, it uses cues to reset itself. And 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.200 one of the big cues it uses is natural light. Yeah. 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.160 Some people think that it's the light, that the brain 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.480 is super photosensitive, that light really is the key to 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.880 everything there. Well, yeah, like the pineal gland apparently, even 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.840 though it's buried inside the brain, is very light responsive. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.880 And the pineal gland is one of the things that 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.600 makes or it makes melatonin, which has to do with 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.760 sleep cycles. Melatonin is the good sleepy time stuff. So, um, 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.880 this whole, this whole rhythm, that twenty four points sixty 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:27.040 five hour cycle is called your circadian rhythm, circadian rhythm, right, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:32.000 And when it's time to sleep, when it's about the 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.160 time that you went to sleep the night before and 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:39.600 it's dark out, your brain's melatonin production increases. And also 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.000 you've been building up in your head all day this 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.360 stuff called a DNA sign right, and that they recently 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:51.199 found has been linked to being sleepy. What's called sleep pressure. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.280 You know, when you try to stay up and you're 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.760 just getting sleepier and sleeper it's harder and harder to resist. 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.200 That experience is called sleep pressure, and they think that 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.120 it's a DNA sign a response for that, and it 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.160 accumulates in the brain until finally about the time that 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.600 you should be falling asleep, the sleep pressure is just 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.679 too much to overcome and you fall asleep. Yeah. My, uh, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.200 Emily's family, my Ohio family has a lot of sleep pressure. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.400 We call it the yearly gas leak over the holidays. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.559 That's funny, Emily. I'll look up at like seven forty five, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.600 We'll be watching TV and like everybody's asleep after like 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.000 a big turkey dinner or something like that. Well, after 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.240 drinking all day and eating, oh yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.040 and it's all warm and toasty, and so I get it, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.559 but it's still kind of funny. Well, it's called the 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.880 gas leak, and you just made me feel so cozy 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.679 in that description. It is in a very cozy household. Um, 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.640 so you get the melatonin production increased, you got a 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.240 DNA sign built up, and you reach that sleep pressure 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.320 threshold and all this stuff is kind of going on 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:54.440 this general pattern that's a tune to you in your rhythms. Yeah, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.080 you know, Are you a night owl? Do you like 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.280 to get up early? Do you like to sleep in late? 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.480 Like this is your own circadian rhythm. Yeah, and if 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.360 you mess any of that up without flying, you're going 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:06.920 to be thrown out of sorts. If you're a night 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.240 owl and all of a sudden you get a job 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.680 or you gotta get up super early, it's gonna suck 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.480 for a little while until your body adjusts. It is 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.120 gonna suck for a little while. Um, And it takes 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.960 a while for the body to adjust. But it also 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.520 we've never really, except for the last sixty years, we've 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.880 never really had the capability of exposing the body to 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.720 a sudden shock of just falling out of rhythm like that, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:35.440 Like I'm flying to Australia right exactly. Yeah, where there's 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.680 like a twelve or thirteen hour difference. Man, I've never 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.240 I've done the europe thing, but I've never experienced yet 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:42.920 like to that degree. I imagine that it would take 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.440 me quite a while to adjust. It does, and it 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.560 sucks because it takes away a percentage of your vacation almost. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.080 It definitely does. When you know, when you me and 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.280 I went to Japan, Yeah, got there out of bed. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:15:01.600 We flew there, we flew west to east, No, east 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.360 to west, because we flew up and over Canada and 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.080 down Russia, which is easier can it was supposedly, but 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.120 even still, like when we got there, it was like 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.720 three in the morning and we're just like wide away. Yeah, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.320 and that took a very little while to adjust. But 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.440 when we flew west to east on the way back 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:21.400 get killed. It took two solid weeks of being almost 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.440 like clinically out of our minds. Wow, before we got 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.600 back on our sleep. For that, actually, you were pretty whacky, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.920 do you remember. Oh, yeah, there was a period where 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.960 like the first four days when we got up, we 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:33.960 would we would both wake up in the middle of 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.880 the night, wouldn't even talk. We'd just get up and 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.400 go out to the car and drive to crystals and 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.480 like eat some crystals and go back home and go 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:43.840 to bed. Yeah, and like we'd never done that before 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.720 and haven't done it since. But like we just did 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.400 it for like four nights in a row because of 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.360 jet like, so we were doing stuff like that all 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.400 the time. That's weird. But yeah, going from west to 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.000 east is the worst, and especially if it's like that 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.720 was a thirteen hour time difference. Yeah, what do they 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.160 call that? It's a phase delay going east to west 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.760 in a phase advance going west to east right. And 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.320 it's kind of like you can look at it like 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.360 if you're if your clock, if you're looking at a 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.640 clock and bedtime is a set time. In phase delay, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.960 you're just taking that hour hand and moving it back, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.560 so you're just putting off your bedtime a little longer. Yeah. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.240 With phase advance, you're moving that hour hand closer suddenly 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.840 to your bedtime, even though your body is not ready 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:27.120 to sleep. It's bedtime now. Wow. Wow. Well, it's just 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.120 interesting that the body under it, you know, I mean, 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.480 it makes sense. I guess what I find interesting is 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.520 that we've figured out a way to technologically and artificially 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.120 subject the body to like this kind of shock, and 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.760 that it responds the way that it does. Yeah, you 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.720 know that. It's it starts like overproducing this hormone or 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.680 under producing that hormone and you go crazy. Well yeah, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.600 and since you mentioned it, that's one of the things 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:53.160 that happened. It really it literally disrupts biological functions, releases 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.600 stress hormones, drives up your blood pressure, sends inflammation stimulating 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.520 chemical markers through your arteries. It's gonna mess up your appetite, 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.639 like you said, because you're used to eating at regular times, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.800 and that's why you were eating crystal because it was 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.040 that was probably a dinner time in Japan, I guess. Yeah. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.280 But haven't you ever noticed, like when you get up early, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.399 like say you have an early flight or something like, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.159 you can get up at a normal time, say you 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.080 normally get up at eight, Yeah, you're maybe you're a 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.280 little hungry or whatever, but you could skip breakfast. It's 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:23.960 not a big deal. But if you're up and like 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.159 moving around and at six or something like that, Yeah, 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.160 for some reason, you're just starving. Like hasn't that ever 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.679 happened to you? Yeah, I'm usually not super hungry in 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.520 the morning, regardless of what time I wake up. If 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.359 I'm up really early, I am ravenous for some reason. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.199 And I'll also find and I've always wonder what this was, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.800 that I'm not as hungry if I don't eat anything, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.400 but if I have like the banana, then it just 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.800 makes me super hungry, right, Yeah, yeah, Or have you 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.760 noticed if you have like red meat the night before 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.080 whenever you get up the next day. You're just ravenous too. Really, yeah, 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.119 that happens to me. Interesting. I don't need a lot 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.480 of red meat anymore, but I'll oh you don't, no, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.240 I mean just because Emily doesn't. So, but yeah, I'll 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:04.840 still have my steak every now and then. What are 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.680 you eating these days? I mean, same thing I've always 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.280 been eaten since I've been with Emily, which is a 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.840 lot of chicken and turkey and fish. What kind of fish? Uh? 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.560 It depends. I'll make like tilapia tacos or grilled salmon 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:21.080 or nice like uh, what's the more flaky? Like not 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:26.040 my heat, but I'll eat my he to the flounder. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.600 I'll just go to the the farmer's market and what looks 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.720 what looks good and fresh? You know they just took 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:33.399 mackerel off the Safe to Eat or or Fine to 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.080 Eat environmentally list? Oh really, yeah, I didn't know it 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.000 was on that. Yeah. Tuna, of course, love tuna, oh man, 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.480 But you shouldn't eat a ton of tuna either. I 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.640 think the mercury. Oh is that right? Yeah, I eat 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.080 a lot of raw tuna. Yeah that they say that, 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.280 you know. Jeremy Piven supposedly had some sort of mercury 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.560 poisoning for eating too much sushi, which is why he knew. Yeah, 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.520 he had to bag out of some movie or show 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.159 because of it. But then I think later on they said, no, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.800 I think he was using as an excuse and it 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.119 wasn't verified that he had mercury poisoning. That's a lot 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.159 like the twinkie defense. It meant yet Jeremy Piven had 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.119 the tuna defense. But that's why they did say, if 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.800 you're pregnant, you shouldn't need a lot of things. Oh yeah, sushi, Yeah, yeah, 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:36.600 for sure. Man, that was a sidetrack. Yeah, I think 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:41.040 I'm hungry, is what the deal? All right? So why 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.840 is it so difficult to overcome Josh? Well, like we said, um, 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:49.639 your body's your buddy's circadian rhythm is not exactly twenty 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.000 four hours, twenty four point six five hours, and so 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.760 every day you're ready for sleep a little later and 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.960 a little later and a little later. And that's why 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:04.760 Ellie Patrick Kiger thinks you are. It's easier to adjust 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.040 going from east to west because that means you're gonna 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.439 have to stay up later to hit your normal bedtime. Anyway, 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.280 and since we're already kind of doing that. It's not 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.160 that big of a deal. And it's not just him. 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.919 I think that's proven. Like NASA says the same thing, well, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.719 NASA and Patrick Kiger. Another reason is is not just 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:29.960 light body temperature we said fluctuates. It's minimum temperature. Oh 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.040 I'm sorry, I thought it was maximum three hours before 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.800 you get up. It's minimum temperature. Yeah, all right. I 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.480 thought you like got really hot, like right before you 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:43.840 woke up. You might, but Team in is typically three 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.240 hours before you normally awake, okay. And they found that 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.440 if you're if you have to wake up like during 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.720 Team in, what your body is normally used to being 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.480 at Team in, right, that's when your jet legs the 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.960 absolute worst. And I think it's because that's a key 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.800 that your body, your whole body has, is like Okay, 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.040 we're still in deep sleep and we're going to be 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:06.359 in a while, and then all of a sudden it's like, 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:08.000 oh I have to wake up and go to this meeting. 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.159 The body's not it's it's whacked out of its normal 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.600 process of waking. I wonder if that sometimes if I 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.480 get up super early, I have a harder time warming 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.080 up through the day. I wonder if that has it 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.080 makes a difference. I would bet it does. Like if 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.440 you're used to waking up at a certain body temperature, Yeah, 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.520 you know it takes care that no matter what, every 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.600 single time, no matter why you're cold or how cold 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:32.040 you are, go spend fifteen minutes in a sauna, yeah, 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.760 and you will be right as rain. Yeah, it's just 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.119 a miracle wood box. Yeah. I do that with the 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.960 hot shower with the steam. Sometimes it doesn't take with 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.159 me really Yeah. Sometimes like I'll still get out of 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.560 the shower and like I'm chilled to the core still. 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.480 How you sit in there, Like I will stay in 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.320 there for a while and like really try to heat up, 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.240 and like most of the time, like it will get 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.560 my temperature like up. Yeah. Some with a sauna, it's 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.240