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Speaker 7: It is Monday, August fourteenth, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 7: episode number seventeen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 7: We're live from Oxnard, California. We're back in Oxnard, California,
Speaker 7: after taking a weekend to go back to Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 7: play their first preseason game.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: And now we are back in ox starting to finish
Speaker 7: off the week before we had the Seattle uh, and
Speaker 7: then maybe get back home at some point. I don't
Speaker 7: know what day it is, but I mean, at this point,
Speaker 7: we're just kind of making it work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just rolling with the punches at this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But back out here in California where it's not as
Speaker 3: hot as it was. You know, we we got a
Speaker 3: nice reminder Nick once once we stepped off the plane
Speaker 3: at DFW of what Texas heat.
Speaker 8: She was out of it and it was just like,
Speaker 8: you know, we had kind of been talking a little
Speaker 8: bit too about just you know, it's a little warm
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so it's nice. It is very back. Actually, just
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Speaker 7: Yes, those adults that have basically missed the last month.
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Speaker 7: Nick is no longer on the break, but he is
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Speaker 7: today and Wednesday, and then once we get back.
Speaker 8: Might be doing a little talking Cowboys too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're just putting you whereever we can put you
Speaker 7: right now. And more than anything else, it's an opportunity
Speaker 7: for you to promote your new show, your solo show.
Speaker 5: Why don't you tell people about that? How's that going?
Speaker 8: It's going it's going pretty well. Cowboys storyline. Uh, it's
Speaker 8: just me and then until we get a guest, I
Speaker 8: mean we've been getting some some guests and we're fingers
Speaker 8: crossed all getting one today, uh for today's show. But yeah,
Speaker 8: it's been it's been fun getting a chance to talk
Speaker 8: with some fans. When we get back to the Star,
Speaker 8: we'll be doing a lot more of that. They'll be
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Speaker 8: with a lot of fans right now. It's been a
Speaker 8: lot of tweets been on that text line and then
Speaker 8: also get an opportunity to get some We've had some
Speaker 8: good guests in here. And then you know, of course
Speaker 8: Maverick from Top Gun showed up. Sort of air quotes
Speaker 8: on Maverick the Tom Cruise look like kinda he came
Speaker 8: into a deuced Vaughn interview and so it was like
Speaker 8: it was cool. We chatted with him for a little bit,
Speaker 8: but it was like, all right, go dude, because this
Speaker 8: guy is a real deal. This is a real deal.
Speaker 7: The game, Yeah, let's talk about that game. Cowboys. They lose,
Speaker 7: but that's not really the most important thing. Tell us
Speaker 7: what is the most important thing as far as the
Speaker 7: way you guys look at it coming out of that game?
Speaker 7: What do you think was I guess The biggest takeaway
Speaker 7: or best takeaway for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: For me, health first and foremost. The Cowboys didn't have
Speaker 3: any major injuries. Knock on wood Niseean Wright. He was
Speaker 3: on the flight with a precautionary boot on his ankle.
Speaker 3: It's being described as a mild ankle strain mouth high
Speaker 3: ankle strain. Mike McCarthy just said that he doesn't doesn't
Speaker 3: look like Nashawn will play on Saturday against the Seahawks,
Speaker 3: but we'll see how that goes. Doesn't sound like there's
Speaker 3: major concern that Malik Jefferson left the contest against the
Speaker 3: jag Wars with a foot spray. Sounds like Malik has
Speaker 3: a better opportunity to play, but those two guys and
Speaker 3: Junior Forjoko had a shoulder injury that held him out
Speaker 3: of the game. But he has a chance to maybe play,
Speaker 3: but no major injury. So other than that, I'm good
Speaker 3: on health. Now, it's just going to play. Demarveion Overshown,
Speaker 3: he stepped up and showed me what he can be
Speaker 3: in this Cowboys defense, and then Ducevon showed you what
Speaker 3: he can be in this Cowboys offense.
Speaker 8: Yeah, true, I mean I think that you're right when
Speaker 8: you're asking McCarthy about Jefferson and who has a chance
Speaker 8: to play Jefferson and Naseean right, that's who you're asking
Speaker 8: about it coming out for a game. That's that's a
Speaker 8: good thing because it neither one of them really looked
Speaker 8: that serious. So you know the fact that Jacksonville played
Speaker 8: their starters and the Cowboys didn't, it's hard. It's gonna
Speaker 8: be tough to gauge that. Anyways, I thought the defense
Speaker 8: did well. Take the fumble away from from Turpid, which
Speaker 8: he did, but I'm just saying, you know, you take
Speaker 8: that away. I don't think they're really driving and doing
Speaker 8: a lot of stuff on that defense. So I thought
Speaker 8: I thought the defense did a good job, and I
Speaker 8: said it to you in the press box. If this
Speaker 8: is your backups, look at the guys that they got
Speaker 8: trotten out there. It just shows good depth.
Speaker 3: Especially to that point when you see a guy like
Speaker 3: one Ya Tommas, who's been building you know, good days
Speaker 3: in camp come out there, second player from scrimmage, and
Speaker 3: he intercepts not be a third and not Roork. He
Speaker 3: intercepts Trevor Lawrence trying to get one of his top
Speaker 3: receivers down the left side line. I mean, that's.
Speaker 8: Promising, such a good play. You had to kind of
Speaker 8: have an outburst, you know, it happened. All right, Let's
Speaker 8: here's what I want to do. Here's how I want
Speaker 8: to review this game.
Speaker 7: I have a full list of players and I'm gonna
Speaker 7: throw out a name and then I.
Speaker 5: Want you guys, just riff what did you see? What
Speaker 5: did you like? What did you not like? And let's
Speaker 5: talk about it. From that standpoint.
Speaker 7: You've already mentioned who I thought was probably the player
Speaker 7: of this game, Duece Vaughan. He had eight carries for
Speaker 7: fifty yards, a six point three average, a touchdown, and
Speaker 7: a couple of highlights that I've seen all over the place.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, just he was the kind of
Speaker 7: that was a game for him where I think coming
Speaker 7: out of the game as similar to what happened with
Speaker 7: Kevante Turpin last year when he had the return for
Speaker 7: a touchdown.
Speaker 5: I think nationally people start saying, oh wow, that's a
Speaker 5: new toy for the Cowboys. What were your thoughts on
Speaker 5: duce Fon.
Speaker 8: Well, he's going up to make catches in the middle
Speaker 8: of the field, he's running the in between tackles and
Speaker 8: all that stuff. These are the things he's doing as
Speaker 8: a running back. And when I got a chance to
Speaker 8: talk to Will McClay last week, he said, we drafted
Speaker 8: a running back. We didn't just draft his gadget player.
Speaker 8: We drafted a running back. And I think he showed
Speaker 8: that right there. And I think, you know, I was
Speaker 8: talking to some people. They have a decision to make
Speaker 8: on Deuce. What do they want to do with him?
Speaker 8: Do they want to say, all right, this week starter?
Speaker 8: And I say that because it's really still the backups
Speaker 8: and all that. So you start the game and you
Speaker 8: get a chance to get some good run. Or do
Speaker 8: you just say, listen, let's let's feel this thing back
Speaker 8: and let's not let other teams know what we're gonna
Speaker 8: do with him. But he needs to work. It's a
Speaker 8: tough it's always a tough dilemma.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I'm right there on the line.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's nearly time to bubble wrap him,
Speaker 3: like how we failed for Kvanti Turpin after those two
Speaker 3: kick returns last year. But I feel like, again, like
Speaker 3: you said, Nick, he does need to work. So I
Speaker 3: would get him to work. In preseason game number two
Speaker 3: against the Seahawks and then no matter what happens in
Speaker 3: that game, I'm sitting him for Game three against the
Speaker 3: Las Vegas Raiders. But uh deuce everywhere he did everything.
Speaker 3: He was a receiver out of the backfield, he was
Speaker 3: in single back sets as a running back. But more
Speaker 3: impressive to me, which I should say, what should impress
Speaker 3: people more so than anything, It's something that I've kind
Speaker 3: of been angling toward people, focusing on people want to
Speaker 3: find out who's going to be the short yardage guy
Speaker 3: when Tony Pollard is not on the field. Right, So, yes,
Speaker 3: you have bigger bodies in Ronald Jones, Malie Davis, Rico
Speaker 3: o'dowdle who I have as the front runner for RB
Speaker 3: two at the moment. But Duzvon showed you what he
Speaker 3: can do in the A gap, in the B gap.
Speaker 3: He can get in there, disappear and then he reappears
Speaker 3: at the second level, and then it's him in space
Speaker 3: versus a linebacker, and you saw what happened there. He
Speaker 3: starts collecting ankles like their bottle caps.
Speaker 5: And having them destroy each other each other.
Speaker 3: Now you see me, now you don't. Duvon just a
Speaker 3: fantastic first showing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 8: The screen game too, what I love is kind of
Speaker 8: out of there. And and the guy made a great
Speaker 8: play down by the goal line because he was cutting back.
Speaker 8: I thought he was gonna score on that one so close.
Speaker 8: But that is going to be a problem just sneaking out.
Speaker 8: It reminds me a little bit of I remember Bay
Speaker 8: back in the day with the Eagles with Brian Westbrook,
Speaker 8: is that you can blitz if you want, and you
Speaker 8: want to say, oh, we're gonna attack this little guy
Speaker 8: and see if he can picky. That's fine. But if
Speaker 8: he sneaks out, yeah, and he jumps it over, now
Speaker 8: you got problems. And so it's it's gonna be it's
Speaker 8: gonna be a problem there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there are a number of ways to handle the blitz.
Speaker 7: Picking up the blitz is one. One another is get
Speaker 7: that guy out and whoever's blitzing now is that guy
Speaker 7: left in a situation where either that other person is
Speaker 7: out there or one on one or nobody accounts for him.
Speaker 7: And those can be some interesting things. But you know,
Speaker 7: one of the interest things about duce Vaughan is this
Speaker 7: was not a surprise for me, and I think for
Speaker 7: a lot of people who watch Big twelve football, this
Speaker 7: was not a surprise. You're actually looking forward to seeing
Speaker 7: it because you were like, rest of the league doesn't
Speaker 7: seem to understand what this guy is.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's five five, but he is a problem.
Speaker 3: The movie on, he keeps hammering that home, trying to
Speaker 3: tell people, like, as a former Longhorn, if Marvey on
Speaker 3: Overshown one of the main people who've said time and again,
Speaker 3: wait until you see what he does at the NFL level.
Speaker 3: So's he's a problem for other teams. For other teams
Speaker 3: I would like to see, particularly in Game two, I
Speaker 3: want to see if they ask him to do more
Speaker 3: pass proeh, especially in those single back sets. I want
Speaker 3: to see if they ask him to do more of
Speaker 3: that so that we could get a better evaluation of
Speaker 3: what his potential is there. But other than that, I mean,
Speaker 3: he stole the show.
Speaker 5: All right, let's move on. Let's talk about my guy,
Speaker 5: my Longhorn.
Speaker 7: You mentioned him, Marvin Overshewn, another guy that I think
Speaker 7: showed up and played some good football.
Speaker 5: Tell me what your thoughts on him are.
Speaker 7: On him after that game, well, I mean I'll start
Speaker 7: other than hook them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, he looks like he could be a
Speaker 8: safety and it might be that thirty five number, but
Speaker 8: he hits like a linebacker. He hits like even bigger
Speaker 8: than that. I mean, I think I think dan Quinn
Speaker 8: has got a perfect toy here a defense. I mean,
Speaker 8: you're talking about dudes for the offense. Overshown can be
Speaker 8: that guy on defense. He he's just got a great
Speaker 8: vision for him. I thought he was flying around. It
Speaker 8: was fun to watch. He's gonna be He's gonna and
Speaker 8: he's so smart. That's the thing with Douce. These two guys.
Speaker 8: You bring in guys that are play a big, big
Speaker 8: time football. They're versatile and they're very smart, and they're
Speaker 8: capable of picking things up, and that's why I think
Speaker 8: they're gonna be able to contribute early.
Speaker 3: Overshown Is continued to show that he's a ball magnet.
Speaker 3: He was a ball manet ball magnet. I'm sorry with
Speaker 3: Texas and he's showing that he's going to be a
Speaker 3: ball magnet with the Cowboys. He was flying around. I
Speaker 3: asked him after the game, I said, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: positionally you're listed as a linebacker. You're a convert from safety.
Speaker 3: Do you actually have a position? And his answer was
Speaker 3: I My job is to go out there and fly around,
Speaker 3: and that's exactly what he was doing against the Jaguars.
Speaker 3: And his flexibility, his versatility is going to be key,
Speaker 3: and like Nick said, it's a new toy for dan
Speaker 3: Quinn and it's one that's gonna be found that under
Speaker 3: the War's Waldough category, if you're an opposing offensive coordinator,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to locate Michael Parsons because of the versatility,
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to locate guys like the Marion over
Speaker 3: showing he's on the field. Is he dropping back in coverage,
Speaker 3: is he coming forward? Is he playing sideline and sideline?
Speaker 3: He can do it all, And I love what Nick said.
Speaker 3: The fact is this kid punches above his weight class.
Speaker 3: So there were some concerns from some Cowboys fans saying,
Speaker 3: well what about his weight coming out of Texas? He
Speaker 3: hits above his weight class. He another guy who stole
Speaker 3: the show along with.
Speaker 8: You know who. He sort of reminds me of it
Speaker 8: and not not you know in the head space I'm
Speaker 8: talking about just not personality wise, I'm talking about player.
Speaker 8: He's got some Rolando McClain to him. In the fact
Speaker 8: that you're qualified yeah, a.
Speaker 5: Little different, yea, not even a little bit.
Speaker 8: Randomclean did not hit the way his body looked like
Speaker 8: he would hit, you know what I mean, he just didn't.
Speaker 8: And that's why you got to be a little little
Speaker 8: crazy to do that. You know, Well, you over over shown,
Speaker 8: I not want to say Overstreet over shown has got
Speaker 8: some of that.
Speaker 7: And you you mentioned that, but that the play that
Speaker 7: I think one of the plays at least that that
Speaker 7: we saw from over shown on that third and short
Speaker 7: where he basically the running backs running full speed and
Speaker 7: he basically grabs him and just kind of just just
Speaker 7: there the collision and overshown doesn't move at all. He
Speaker 7: gives no ground. That's what leads to the fourth down.
Speaker 7: That's like Landa McClain. We used to always talk about
Speaker 7: it when Alana mcclaan would hit someone. They go down,
Speaker 7: there was no extra yard, They didn't fall forward. Where
Speaker 7: they were was where they were going down. And I
Speaker 7: think that's an interesting the interesting comparison.
Speaker 8: I you didn't need binoculars in the press box to
Speaker 8: say who hit him? Like you just knew okay, the
Speaker 8: way that it just it ended right there. There was
Speaker 8: no rack or going on there, you know, hopeing not Yeah, well,
Speaker 8: I mean run after you know, contact or whatever you
Speaker 8: want to call it.
Speaker 5: There.
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Speaker 7: this the recap of the game.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the quarterback, Will Greer.
Speaker 7: He was twenty two of thirty one seventy completion rate.
Speaker 7: That's a very good completion rate, one hundred and ninety
Speaker 7: nine yards, two touchdowns, one interception. I got the sense
Speaker 7: watching the game and throughout the game that when I
Speaker 7: saw the numbers after the game, I thought the numbers
Speaker 7: were better than what I watched.
Speaker 5: Sod you guys get the same because.
Speaker 8: There's yeah, and there's one reason for that. Send me
Speaker 8: for Hoko. How many times did he snap the ball
Speaker 8: and throw it straight to Fojoko? Give him credit for that.
Speaker 8: That's fine, that's recognizing corners. We want to play ten
Speaker 8: yards off, that's fine. I'm gonna throw it to the foco.
Speaker 8: We're gonna get five or six, seven yards whatever, not nine.
Speaker 8: Sometimes that's gonna help your completion percentage. You're right, I
Speaker 8: think I think his numbers looked better. There were some
Speaker 8: times it was okay, it was good and bad. He
Speaker 8: got a lot of reps and he's more you know,
Speaker 8: mobile obviously than Cooper Rush. So but I thought he
Speaker 8: played okay. But yeah, I agree, the numbers look better
Speaker 8: than the eye test didn't wasn't.
Speaker 3: There And when you go back and look at the
Speaker 3: film on will Grid from that game, it was solid,
Speaker 3: but he could have been better. And he come up
Speaker 3: here and admit the same thing. That interception on first
Speaker 3: and ten uh in the fourth quarter. That can't happen.
Speaker 3: He wants that playback, the throw to Sean McEwan out
Speaker 3: to the left flat. He wants that throwback to throw
Speaker 3: the Jalen Brooks out to the right flat. He wants
Speaker 3: that throwback. But then semi Fojoko, So give him credit
Speaker 3: for making the completions. But two consecutives Semifo Hoko, and
Speaker 3: I think it was on that drive. He had three
Speaker 3: consecutive the Dennis Houston who made some play, so those
Speaker 3: are that's five. So those are five completions. Give him
Speaker 3: credit for that. But as far as statistics versus gameplay,
Speaker 3: it makes the statistics look a little bit better than
Speaker 3: maybe the gameplay was so really solid game from Will Grier,
Speaker 3: but he does need to stop trying to make the
Speaker 3: big play where the big play is not there. And
Speaker 3: I think he'll have a better showing against the Seahawks
Speaker 3: if he takes that the heart.
Speaker 7: All right, let's move on to Damone Clark, the other
Speaker 7: linebacker in this game.
Speaker 5: What were your thoughts on him?
Speaker 3: I can't. I don't have enough praise for what I'm
Speaker 3: seeing Fordmond Clark. I've been as timing again this offseason.
Speaker 3: What defensive guy do I think makes the huge leap
Speaker 3: in year two, and you could go to Sam Williams
Speaker 3: and he played well as well, but Damon Clark is
Speaker 3: just primed to do so, especially now that he's taking
Speaker 3: on that starter row alongside Laton Vanderish. Damon Clark had
Speaker 3: a strong game, to say the least, his name. It
Speaker 3: was being called all over the place in the first quarter,
Speaker 3: first half of the game before we started kind of
Speaker 3: migrating to Hey, the Marion overshown has taken over this
Speaker 3: game as well, So Damon Clark de Marrion overshown. Those
Speaker 3: two linebackers are showing the cow Boy's depth problem at
Speaker 3: linebacker might not be one at all.
Speaker 8: So yeah, yeah, he's got so much range, you know it.
Speaker 8: Look he looked thinner to me. He looked or leaner
Speaker 8: maybe is the right word. He just I'm not saying
Speaker 8: he was, you know, overweight or anything last year, but bulky.
Speaker 8: But if you're gonna if you're gonna be out with
Speaker 8: an injury for a while, espreshly at neck injury, you're
Speaker 8: gonna be out for a while. You come back, you're
Speaker 8: not gonna be in the same shape you are. Now
Speaker 8: he's been he's been really like he just he just
Speaker 8: looks more like a safety like it. I know I
Speaker 8: said that about Overshowing, but that's what they look. But
Speaker 8: he's got that speed, he's strong as an ox, and
Speaker 8: I love his mentality. His mentality, it's just no nonsense,
Speaker 8: ready to ball out. He's He's done that since the
Speaker 8: day he got here. I mean, this defense has wild
Speaker 8: cards to me, Like, you know who the stars are.
Speaker 8: But if these four or five guys, and I think
Speaker 8: Bland is one, I think I think over shown as
Speaker 8: one demo Clark, I think Fowler and Sam what these
Speaker 8: guys also give you stuff with? You know what you're
Speaker 8: gonna get over? Man, this could be really nasty.
Speaker 3: When you see a guy who's as who has the
Speaker 3: frame of Damon Clark, who's as chiseled as Damon Clark,
Speaker 3: nearly run down a running back from the backside who's
Speaker 3: going to the left of the play, and Damon is
Speaker 3: coming in from the right side of the play. That's
Speaker 3: really all you need to see to understand what the
Speaker 3: moon Clark might be In twenty twenty three. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: Interesting after that game as I was thinking about it.
Speaker 7: Between those two, the one thing I think that we
Speaker 7: all saw was the speed, their ability to get sideline
Speaker 7: the sideline to make plays. And again over shown that's
Speaker 7: who he was in college. He was a guy who
Speaker 7: was always around the ball. Every play almost you'd see
Speaker 7: overshown was around the ball, whether it was downfield, whether
Speaker 7: it's up near the line of scrimma. He was just
Speaker 7: a guy that has a knackt for the ball and
Speaker 7: was around the ball. But you see those two guys running,
Speaker 7: and I think it makes it even more imperative that
Speaker 7: a guy like Mazzie Smith get in here and get
Speaker 7: his feet under him, because if those guys up front
Speaker 7: can keep bodies off these linebackers, these linebackers can definitely
Speaker 7: run and they.
Speaker 5: Can create some problems for a post to bank exactly right.
Speaker 5: All right, let's move on. Let's talk about Brandon.
Speaker 7: Aubrey, which I thought was an interesting day for him.
Speaker 7: He made the one field goal he had was twenty
Speaker 7: nine yards. He was two or three on extra points.
Speaker 7: He did miss one of his extra points. We had
Speaker 7: five touchbacks, which, again, when you're kicking off, that's a
Speaker 7: good thing.
Speaker 5: What were your thoughts on on Auburn.
Speaker 3: The power in his leg is there, It's evident. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's absolutely just kicking sticks of dynamite on kickoff. So
Speaker 3: you know, when you talk about who is going to
Speaker 3: be the kicker for the Dallas Cowboys in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: like you said, you got a factor in the kickoff
Speaker 3: as well, because if you talk about a guy like
Speaker 3: Robbie Good, now, the question is will he be able
Speaker 3: to do kickoffs and things like that. So he's got
Speaker 3: that in the bag. Alby does as far as kickoffs
Speaker 3: are concerned, kicking he had. He was having a good
Speaker 3: game until he missed the extra point and then comes
Speaker 3: the PTSD for all involved because we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: Brett Maher, we've been through this before. Now. Aubrey was
Speaker 3: asked about it after the game and he said that
Speaker 3: the operation was clean and it did look clean on film,
Speaker 3: but he admitted that he quote unquote rushed it and
Speaker 3: he didn't have to do that. So hopefully he settles
Speaker 3: in for game two. But all in all, it's a
Speaker 3: passing grade. You just hate that an extra point kind
Speaker 3: of put a black eye on.
Speaker 8: It because it was a bad miss. Yeah, just like
Speaker 8: oh did he No? It wasn't end Dan, Like, no,
Speaker 8: I think I don't think he I don't think he
Speaker 8: connected with the net there. You know, I think it's
Speaker 8: a souvenirio. What happened at the stadium. I mean, that's
Speaker 8: just that's bad as I mean, it's a bad miss.
Speaker 8: But you gotta remember, I mean, this is a huge
Speaker 8: chance that they're taking on him because he did not
Speaker 8: even play college football. He didn't kick, you know, at
Speaker 8: the big House in Michigan, or that he didn't do that.
Speaker 8: He's kicked at the USFL, which I don't think is
Speaker 8: setting attendance records either. So I mean, I know some
Speaker 8: some teams are some teams over there decent crowds. This
Speaker 8: is this is still new to him. So I think
Speaker 8: it's you know, he's competing with every kicker that's not
Speaker 8: doesn't have a job right now.
Speaker 7: Absolutely fact, did you guys come out of that game
Speaker 7: sold that he more soul, more confident, that he could
Speaker 7: be the kicker less confident or about.
Speaker 8: The less confident for me, less confident.
Speaker 3: I gotta my needle hasn't moved in one direction or
Speaker 3: the other. Because it started to nudge forward just a
Speaker 3: little bit, and then he missed the extra point and
Speaker 3: they dropped right back down. So I'm still where I
Speaker 3: was before the game, and we're looking at game too now.
Speaker 8: I think the standard has gotten really low though, because
Speaker 8: we're you know, like the touchdown Tolbert like great, and
Speaker 8: then it's like it made the expert. We're all like,
Speaker 8: we're watching extra points. I mean, how about a fifty
Speaker 8: one yard field goal, you know in Seattle with with
Speaker 8: you know, against the win or maybe in a little
Speaker 8: bit of rate and hopefully not rained, but you know,
Speaker 8: but something like that in some elements. Let's see, let's
Speaker 8: see something like that, because right now, extra points and
Speaker 8: twenty five yard field goals, I think that's that should
Speaker 8: that shouldn't be the standard, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So I didn't. I'm just a little shaky on him still,
Speaker 8: but he seems like it'd be great for the practice squad.
Speaker 8: But that doesn't help you on kickoffs.
Speaker 7: I meant at the end of the day, I do
Speaker 7: think we talked about this last week, like it's it's
Speaker 7: going to change.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, it's going to change how they play offense.
Speaker 7: Last year, I think they would get within a fifty
Speaker 7: to fifty two yard and they would think, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: we got it, we got the field goal, we're in
Speaker 7: field goal range. I don't think that's the way you
Speaker 7: play it this year. I think you're gonna be thinking, hey,
Speaker 7: we really are never necessarily just we're settling for a
Speaker 7: field goal.
Speaker 5: It's always you know, foot on the gas.
Speaker 7: Let's go and let's see if we can get in
Speaker 7: the end zone, because you just don't know. I think
Speaker 7: it's a it's I don't I wouldn't call it a crapshoot.
Speaker 7: I think he's better than that. But I do think
Speaker 7: there's always that question mark until he earns that credibility
Speaker 7: where you know he's money. We put him out there
Speaker 7: on forty five yard he's gonna make We put him
Speaker 7: out there on fifty yard, he's gonna make it. Until
Speaker 7: you get to that point, it's gonna have to change
Speaker 7: the office.
Speaker 8: I would I would take a Crosby or Robbie Gold.
Speaker 8: I would take a guy that's older that I think
Speaker 8: is gonna make him in the forties forty five because
Speaker 8: I've got Michael Parsons. And I say that because I
Speaker 8: don't have to kick a fifty five yarder every time.
Speaker 8: If I'm at the thirty five and it's fourth and
Speaker 8: six or whatever, I'm okay with anger punting it to
Speaker 8: the eight first intent and then let them play the
Speaker 8: way they want to play.
Speaker 5: When you know that might get your turnover more you
Speaker 5: might get a turnover.
Speaker 8: Or you're probably gonna be punning it back to turping
Speaker 8: here at midfield in about three minutes. So I go
Speaker 8: shorter field goals. I'm fine. I don't need to be
Speaker 8: kicking a lot of mainfield goals because I got a
Speaker 8: defense I trust.
Speaker 3: But Derek, we talked about this on the show a
Speaker 3: few episodes ago, and you know, one of my biggest
Speaker 3: things is kick the crutch from under the offense. Kick
Speaker 3: the crutch away, and the crutch being if you know
Speaker 3: you got a guy who can boom a sixty yard
Speaker 3: field goal, then at the beginning of that drive, you
Speaker 3: have that in your back pocket. If you take that
Speaker 3: out of your back pocket, it's likely going to change
Speaker 3: the entirety of how you call that drive. Now you're
Speaker 3: going to be more aggressive. Now you're trying to get
Speaker 3: across the fifty. You're trying to stretch the field. So
Speaker 3: I'm all for that. If you have a kicker that
Speaker 3: can be efficient up to forty five fifty yards but
Speaker 3: not longer than that. Totally fine, So bring me a
Speaker 3: Mason Crossby.
Speaker 7: Until you get to an end of a game where
Speaker 7: you need that fifty to go to overtime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when it right.
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Speaker 5: Welcome to the season, guys. Yeah, is what we're doing.
Speaker 5: All right, let's jump back in. We got more names
Speaker 5: I want to throw to you.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 7: Coming off the Cowboys first preseason game, talk to me
Speaker 7: about Jaalen Tobert.
Speaker 5: What were your thoughts. Two catches, twenty nine yards on
Speaker 5: a touchdown.
Speaker 8: I thought a bad call from the offensive pass interference.
Speaker 8: I love the fact that he went and got the football.
Speaker 8: That's the one I like, the one that didn't even count.
Speaker 8: He went and got the ball, go back. I mean,
Speaker 8: that's most crews aren't gonna call that. I think I
Speaker 8: thought that was really ticky Tag. That's the player I
Speaker 8: like the most because I think it showed the aggressive
Speaker 8: stallies of alert catching tipped passes, smooth, he looks. You know,
Speaker 8: we've been saying it all year. Stop stop talking. You're
Speaker 8: saying all the right things, but nothing matters until you
Speaker 8: go play.
Speaker 3: And he did a good job, kind of kind of
Speaker 3: the opposite of to a degree, what we're talking about
Speaker 3: with Will Gear the stats look good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the film, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: When it comes to Jaylen Tobert. The stats from last
Speaker 3: game aren't good. But if you watch the game, he
Speaker 3: was good. And of course if you can factor in
Speaker 3: if you would have been able to factor in the
Speaker 3: catch from that turn into OPI, which it was not
Speaker 3: OPI because the guy was already beat, and then there
Speaker 3: was the jersey pull after. So but that's long story.
Speaker 3: Go on Twitter and you'll see my rent on that.
Speaker 3: But that catch showed you everything you needed to know
Speaker 3: about where Jaylen Tobert is in his development. The fact
Speaker 3: that the release was fantastic. He had the guy beat
Speaker 3: on the release. The speed was there on the go
Speaker 3: route and then to turn around, elevate, locate the ball,
Speaker 3: come down with it and get both feed and bounds.
Speaker 3: That sideline awareness. That's what the Cowboys drafted Jayleen Tobert
Speaker 3: to be and it shows. And then I also liked
Speaker 3: that on the touchdown play. You gotta love the kids
Speaker 3: first touchdown on the Cowboys uniform, but if you go
Speaker 3: back and look at their route. First of all, fantastic
Speaker 3: play called by Mike McCarthy. But when you look at
Speaker 3: that route, it was so crisp and clean and so
Speaker 3: deceptive from Jaalen Tobert to pretend that he's sitting and
Speaker 3: sell it so well that the linebacker sat with him.
Speaker 3: But then it was hah, I gotcha. I'm gone middle
Speaker 3: of the field to catch touchdown. There you go. So
Speaker 3: I love what I saw from Jaalen Tobert. He's another
Speaker 3: guy who's been out here doing it in camp. Like
Speaker 3: Nick said, we hear you, we see you. Where's it
Speaker 3: that when it's time for the bright lights to come on?
Speaker 3: Bright lights came on at least semi bright lights came
Speaker 3: on last Saturday, and he showed up.
Speaker 7: He's been a name that I think most of you
Speaker 7: guys who've been watching these practices and reporting on these
Speaker 7: practices have been noticing he looks like an.
Speaker 5: Improved player over where he was last year.
Speaker 7: He's talked about that, like you said, Nick, Now he's
Speaker 7: trying to show it what he's been talking about.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 7: He had one catch fifteen yards turned fumble. Is he
Speaker 7: is there any chance that he is not your punt
Speaker 7: returner when the season gets here. I know there have
Speaker 7: been people who have started to talk about duce Von like.
Speaker 5: Hey man, you know you got Ducevan. Maybe he should
Speaker 5: be the guy that's back there.
Speaker 7: I have a hard time believing that Camante Turpin, just
Speaker 7: from his skill level, is not the guy. But do
Speaker 7: you think there's even a chance that that could happen.
Speaker 8: There's always a chance. I think he's still a dangerous
Speaker 8: threat with the ball in his hands. Now he's gonna
Speaker 8: have to get away from people because I mean he can't.
Speaker 8: He will fumble, I mean, or he has and he's
Speaker 8: had some other place to last year too. You remember
Speaker 8: either the ball hit him in the face mask, I
Speaker 8: mean the ball control was an issue at times. I
Speaker 8: thought from what it sounds like, he didn't. He didn't
Speaker 8: have a great game at all. I mean, uh in Saturday,
Speaker 8: because he had some also some some mental errors lining
Speaker 8: up wrong receiver wise. So grades Tolburt and Houston grated out, Well,
Speaker 8: it doesn't sound like Turpin did so that that was
Speaker 8: kind of an issue there because we were trying to
Speaker 8: see what he did at receiver and so you know
Speaker 8: he's like, oh, we know he's a good returner. Well
Speaker 8: then he fumbles there, he drops a receiver and also
Speaker 8: had some mental error. So he needs to he'll he'll
Speaker 8: need to step it up here in Seattle. But hey,
Speaker 8: I'll be on the sidelines for the Seattle game. I
Speaker 8: was on the sidelines for the Charger game and I
Speaker 8: saw two touchdowns in a row. So I have a
Speaker 8: feeling I'm gonna get a fiscal Sea. Maybe we'll find out.
Speaker 8: We'll find out. Yeah, I hope that's why. I hope
Speaker 8: it doesn't rain. It rains. I won't be on side.
Speaker 9: Yes, oh yes, you will right eat Seattle.
Speaker 8: Who picked this?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's a chance, but I think
Speaker 3: that chance is exceptionally slim right now that there would
Speaker 3: be any other returner for the Boys in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three whose name is not Cavante Turpin. And you're going
Speaker 3: to see, unfortunately, a mistake here or there. You saw
Speaker 3: it last year in the season, and hopefully this is
Speaker 3: him getting it out of the way. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: the fumble on his first return against Jacksonville. But I'm
Speaker 3: left to wonder when you look at Cavante Turpin in
Speaker 3: that game, I wonder if he was using too much
Speaker 3: of his mental bandwidth on trying to prove what he
Speaker 3: can be offensively, and it kind of stole some of
Speaker 3: that bandwidth as far as just the muscle merimory of
Speaker 3: what he needs to do making plays as the returner.
Speaker 3: But he showed some bad things, the fumble being one,
Speaker 3: the drop key dropped being another. But then he showed
Speaker 3: me some good things on the fumble on Rico Dawdle
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpin. Yes, that didn't go how the Cowboys wanted
Speaker 3: to go, but there's this little tough guy all the
Speaker 3: way downfield still blocking at the two in the one
Speaker 3: yard line. That effort was there. He made an impactful
Speaker 3: catch for a first down in the second half, so
Speaker 3: mentally he bounced back from it. Overall, I agree with Nick.
Speaker 3: I don't think that he graded out well for this game,
Speaker 3: but I did see some resiliency in the second half
Speaker 3: that I'm hoping translates over offensively to the game against
Speaker 3: the Seahawks. But as a returner again, hopefully he just
Speaker 3: that's getting it out the way so we don't see
Speaker 3: it in the regular season.
Speaker 7: This player I've probably been more excited about seeing in
Speaker 7: this preseason game than any other player, just based on
Speaker 7: what I've seen out here in practice and what I didn't.
Speaker 5: Know about him until we got out here.
Speaker 7: Practice John Stevens, he had five catches fifty six yards
Speaker 7: a touchdown twenty one was his longest catch. What his
Speaker 7: thoughts on John Stevens and his ability to.
Speaker 5: Maybe make this team.
Speaker 8: I think you got a tied end whisper going on
Speaker 8: with Lounda Wells.
Speaker 5: He knows how to find him, how to find him.
Speaker 8: I mean he'll tell you last year. I mean he
Speaker 8: told everybody Peyton Hitters shot watch this guy. He's got something.
Speaker 8: He's been saying about John Stevens since the minute that
Speaker 8: they signed him. I mean, he's just tall, lanky guys,
Speaker 8: but also not afraid to mix it up as blockers.
Speaker 8: It's one thing to just getting a tall guy and
Speaker 8: call him a tight end, but you got to be
Speaker 8: able to get in the trenches. And I think John
Speaker 8: Stevens did that that he also did the other things
Speaker 8: that he's been doing on a camp.
Speaker 3: Correct and on top of that, this is one of
Speaker 3: those situations where the stats do actually mirror what happened
Speaker 3: in the game. Targeted seven times, brought it down five times,
Speaker 3: fifty six yards and a touchdown later in the game.
Speaker 3: That implies that that player had a good game. Go
Speaker 3: back and look at the film, and that player did
Speaker 3: in fact have a good game in John Stevens. And
Speaker 3: you also saw some of the things translate from camp
Speaker 3: practices as far as John Stevens lining up on the
Speaker 3: outside as well. And when he lined up on the
Speaker 3: outside in one particular play that Jaalen Tobert touchdown, the
Speaker 3: safety and the defensive back the cornerback on that side
Speaker 3: of the field, they both had to respect his ability
Speaker 3: and his size, and that helped clear out the middle
Speaker 3: for Jayleen Tobert. So John Stevens lunda, Wells, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 3: Will McLay, You've done it again, and it is going
Speaker 3: to make for a very interesting conversation as far as
Speaker 3: fifty three man cutdowns go. If John Stevens continues this trajectory.
Speaker 7: Talk to me about the first round pick, Bozzie Smith.
Speaker 7: What'd you see?
Speaker 8: Honestly, not not a ton. I mean that's maybe because
Speaker 8: I forgot my binoculars, but I mean, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean, was a big boy.
Speaker 5: You didn't need binocular Well, no, I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't know. Did he make a ton of plays?
Speaker 8: I didn't. I didn't really see him.
Speaker 3: So from from what I saw, the reason that his
Speaker 3: name wasn't called often as far as making plays was
Speaker 3: went back and looked at the film yesterday and there
Speaker 3: were several occasions where the Jaguars threw double and on
Speaker 3: one occasion a triple team at him before the third
Speaker 3: got peeled off for another assignment. So the immediate respect
Speaker 3: looks like it's being paid to Mossie Smith and his
Speaker 3: strength and what he can do. And then when they
Speaker 3: didn't double team him, he absolutely humiliated someone's father, brother,
Speaker 3: uncle by just shedding him, just throwing him to the
Speaker 3: ground and then getting there for Yeah, it could have
Speaker 3: been a TfL but probably was a stop at the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage on a run to the left side.
Speaker 3: So it looked as if when Mazie isn't getting that,
Speaker 3: isn't being forced to eat up double teams, which is
Speaker 3: one reason that he's here. And if it's one on
Speaker 3: one he won more often than not. But then the
Speaker 3: double team guess what his teammates were able to win.
Speaker 3: Chauncey Goosten was able to win, Osa was able to win,
Speaker 3: So from an overall grade, he did exactly what he
Speaker 3: was supposed to do even when he wasn't able to
Speaker 3: do much.
Speaker 7: And one of the things that looked apparent to me
Speaker 7: was even on plays where he wasn't the guy that
Speaker 7: made the tackle in the run game, when the Cowboys
Speaker 7: made good stops in the run game. Typically what I
Speaker 7: saw if Mozzi was on the field, Mazzi was in
Speaker 7: a spot he did not move, and because he did
Speaker 7: not move, running backs had to adapt, and when they adapted,
Speaker 7: it created less room for them and that forced that
Speaker 7: that allowed the Cowboys defense to get in and make
Speaker 7: the tackle. So there's gonna be a lot of times
Speaker 7: when you will see a game.
Speaker 5: Where you're like, did Mozzie Smith play?
Speaker 7: But all you have to do is go look at
Speaker 7: the film and watch what happens on these running downs
Speaker 7: and you will see his impact. I think it's it's
Speaker 7: apparent when you watch that. It just may not always
Speaker 7: be apparent in the statue.
Speaker 8: Well, and that's why you have these If you're gonna
Speaker 8: clog the middle, you gotta have linebackers that can chase
Speaker 8: sides of the sideline, which is what we've been talking
Speaker 8: about real quick.
Speaker 7: I do want to talk about one other guy, Eric Scott.
Speaker 7: He's a guy that got a lot of love out
Speaker 7: here at practices throughout training camp, cornerback draft pick. What
Speaker 7: did you guys see from him to see anything in
Speaker 7: this game or see anything after the game in watching
Speaker 7: film that may have given you an idea on him.
Speaker 8: Six round pick from Southern miss you know, and the
Speaker 8: lights were on and it wasn't his best It wasn't
Speaker 8: his best performance. I mean, like, I think he had
Speaker 8: been doing some really good things out here. You want
Speaker 8: to see him and carry over. It wasn't terrible, but
Speaker 8: I mean they just wanted him to kind of compete
Speaker 8: a little bit more. He was not the best sixth
Speaker 8: round pick on the of the night for the Cowboys,
Speaker 8: I think. But are they discouraged? No, No, this guy's
Speaker 8: got he's I love his demeanor, his confidence is good.
Speaker 8: He'll he'll be fine. I really do. I think he'll
Speaker 8: he'll be fine. I just don't think it was his
Speaker 8: best game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has the demeanor, He's definitely got that dog mentality.
Speaker 3: He has the skill set, albeit it does need you know,
Speaker 3: the sixth round pick. He's a rookie. But looking at
Speaker 3: the film, he got caught with his eyes in the
Speaker 3: backfield a little one too many times from my liking,
Speaker 3: and that allowed free releases out of the backfield that
Speaker 3: allowed his receivers signing sometimes to get out in space
Speaker 3: when otherwise he may not have. So I think that
Speaker 3: that's the key for Eric Scott going forward, especially going
Speaker 3: into Game two against the Seattle Seahawks, is that he
Speaker 3: needs to just understand his assignments, his keys and not
Speaker 3: try to overplay or not try to do too much.
Speaker 3: I think that could go to the fact that came
Speaker 3: from a smaller school. The big lights went on, he
Speaker 3: was at at and T Stadium, the pomp and circumstance
Speaker 3: of it all, and maybe he felt like he needed
Speaker 3: to prove when really he just needs to play football
Speaker 3: and be Eric Scott.
Speaker 8: And he'll get more reps because I don't It doesn't
Speaker 8: sound like Nation will play this week. That means Bland
Speaker 8: will play something. You don't want to play him a
Speaker 8: ton anyways, And you've got Kelvin Joseph out there, and
Speaker 8: I would think Eric Scott will come in after that.
Speaker 8: So I mean Eric Scott has a chance to play
Speaker 8: a lot in this escape.
Speaker 7: Ye all right, we appreciate you guys, Jonas. We will
Speaker 7: be back on Wednesday. We're gonna wrap this camp up
Speaker 7: on Wednesday. I'm gonna have lots of question for these
Speaker 7: guys about their big picture thoughts on this team. After
Speaker 7: finishing a whole training camp and then heading back to
Speaker 7: Frisco for about another week of training camp before we
Speaker 7: get ready for the season. Until then, for Nick even
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