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Speaker 1: We got to talk here on the College Football Apostles

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Speaker 1: today because Ryan Day just got a new contract, highest

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Speaker 1: paid coaching college football. But who was Ohio State really

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Speaker 1: betting against? The SEC is continuingly trying to make the

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Speaker 1: college football Playoff in their path just a little bit easier.

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Speaker 1: Jaln Milroe says, don't even ask me about playing running

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Speaker 1: back in the NFL because it ain't happening. Boston TC

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Speaker 1: Lewis says that his son Julian Lewis is one of

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Speaker 1: the most heavily scrutinized recruits of all time, and I

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Speaker 1: can't really disagree with him. And Brian Kelly is in

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Speaker 1: hot water and has to defend himself. Do you believe him?

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Speaker 1: Is the question that and so much more here on

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Speaker 1: the College Football Apostles. Make sure that you like, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: get notifications, and tell a friend about the show. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to it, all, right, So we're gonna start with

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day, and y'all make sure y'all hop in the comments.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what y'all think. So, Ryan Day just got

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Speaker 1: a new seven year, twelve and a half million dollars

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Speaker 1: per year contract from Ohio State after he won a

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Speaker 1: national championship. And this is no disparagement upon Ryan Day,

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Speaker 1: the actual person, Ryan Day, the coke, none of that.

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Speaker 1: But this makes zero sense to me. Ryan Day loves

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Ryan Day is not leaving Ohio State. This

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Speaker 1: is the same man that people were considering firing two

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Speaker 1: months ago, Ralph. They wanted him fired for two months

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Speaker 1: and maybe a year prior to that. But now he's

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Speaker 1: won a national championship and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's hey, let's give him a new twelve point five

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Speaker 1: million dollar contract. Yeah. I'm like, you're bidding against yourself.

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Speaker 1: How does this make any sense, Ralph?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole part of it is you have

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Speaker 2: obligated your institution to a buyout that's gonna be north

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Speaker 2: of seventy million dollars when you were negotiating against absolutely

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Speaker 2: no one, having on the heels of something you pointed

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Speaker 2: out on your Unafraid Show Daily Live on Tuesday, which

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Speaker 2: is teams don't often follow up losing their coordinators with success,

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Speaker 2: and almost everybody who wins national championships loses their coordinators.

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Speaker 2: So a perfect example would be Dabo Swiney six straight

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Speaker 2: college football playoff semi finals when he had his co

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinators with him and none since they both left.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, kude Ohio State, who hadn't won

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Speaker 2: a national championship in ten years prior to this, be

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Speaker 2: in trouble now that they've lost their defensive coordinator to

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Speaker 2: Penn State and their offensive coordinator to the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 1: And they lost their O line coach as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough. But if you possess the belief that

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Speaker 2: you're going to be able to have the financial means

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Speaker 2: to build this roster year over year, and you think

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Speaker 2: the best person to deal with all those financiers is

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Speaker 2: Ryan Day, then he's going to earn this contract in spades.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing I don't understand, Ralph, is after

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Speaker 1: all of these institutions, see these buyout situations. Look at

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Speaker 1: what happened over at Florida State with Mike Norvel. He

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Speaker 1: got an extension. He wasn't going to get the Alabama job,

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Speaker 1: but they gave him an extension anyway, and then they

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Speaker 1: had a terrible season and now they're in a buyo

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Speaker 1: out situation. Now, on one hand, I don't mind it,

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Speaker 1: because I do think that teams and schools overreact a

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Speaker 1: little too quickly sometimes, and this marries them to their

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Speaker 1: coaches to give them a good enough runway, right, But

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Speaker 1: it also incentive because the contracts are pretty much fully guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: It also incentivizes that if you get sick and tired

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Speaker 1: and for all the people who are like, listen, let's

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Speaker 1: stop the handouts in this country. Let's let's stop people

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Speaker 1: uh just suck on the teats of the institutions and

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Speaker 2: I mean, because he is it not the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, it's he's

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Speaker 2: doing his job, so it's.

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Speaker 1: Not if he decides that if he wants to pull

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Speaker 2: Then that comes down to the thing that you often

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Speaker 2: by pass value because there's nothing to stop a coach,

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Speaker 2: I mean ed or Dron's quote's going to live in

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Speaker 1: Want out of and how and what time you want

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Speaker 1: me out of?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: I was in the same building and that was alo

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Speaker 1: Imagine if it was seventy six million.

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Speaker 2: Dollars, right, And that's what I'm saying is I was

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Speaker 2: just at the Peach Bowl where Jimbo Fisher was down

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Speaker 2: boo Jimbo Fisher for his time at their rival Texas.

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Speaker 2: But he had the biggest smile on his face the

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Speaker 2: whole time. I'm saying, he looks rested, he looks RelA

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Speaker 2: he looks like he's getting all his vitamins. He looks

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Speaker 2: than ever. He is enjoying life right now. And so

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Speaker 2: you know the stresses of being a college football head coach.

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Speaker 2: If at any time you could say, yeah, pull the ripcord,

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Speaker 2: hand me eight figures and let me walk off into

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Speaker 2: the sunset, it gets really really hard, I think maybe

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Speaker 2: And so the next time Ryan Day loses to Michigan

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Speaker 2: everything like that, it's going to be in the back

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Speaker 2: And so or he could buy the house of the

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Speaker 1: And just victim, or buy the or buy you know,

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Speaker 1: buy equity stake in the company so they can fire them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he could become one of the love

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Speaker 2: like he's the kind of money he's got now is

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Speaker 2: the kind of money you can do a whole lot with.

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Speaker 2: So it'll just be interested to see if if they

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Speaker 2: can keep him motivated, because obviously giving somebody this type

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Speaker 2: this job is beating Michigan and that hadn't happened since COVID.

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Speaker 2: You know that that you better hope that starts happening,

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Speaker 2: is all I'm saying. It also makes me wonder what

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Speaker 2: Sharon Moore is getting paid. If the school that's beating

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Speaker 2: Ryan Day, you know, is paying their head coach twelve

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Speaker 1: Yep, that is a good dude, that's a good point. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: these these coaching contracts. I thought that with the with

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Speaker 1: in that saga, buddy.

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Speaker 2: But speaking so, the average average salary I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to point out real quick in Columbus, Ohio is about

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Speaker 2: sixty five thousand dollars per year.

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Speaker 1: He makes a day.

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Speaker 2: R Ryan Day makes more than that every two days.

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Speaker 2: Brian is gonna make thirty four dollars a day. So

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Speaker 2: I make you he's gonna be floating in the contract.

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Speaker 1: Is gonna bring a lot of pressure, though, buddy, a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure because, like we told y'all the idea

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Speaker 1: having up year that does not happen. That that means

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Speaker 1: that they're probably a ten win team. That's what that means.

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Speaker 1: They may make the college football Playoff, but winning him

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Speaker 1: back to back national championship ain't happening. Speaking of coaches

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Speaker 1: getting paid a lot of money, you got Brian Kelly,

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Speaker 1: And this one was very interesting because on Good Morning America,

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Speaker 1: He's in a wheelchair now, like he speaks differently, his

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Speaker 1: Obviously he was qualified surgeon, but not to do that

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Speaker 1: level of surgery. And they levied heavy allegations against Brian

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. So now the family suing, and

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Speaker 2: Well, let me read Brian Kelly's statement, because I think

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Speaker 2: the comment that really riled Brian Kelly up was Greg

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Speaker 2: Greg Brooks Junior has had to relearn how to talk.

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Speaker 2: So pretty serious stuff. And this is Brian Kelly's response.

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Speaker 2: He said, you can question me as a football coach,

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Speaker 2: but off the field as a parent, a husband, as

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Speaker 2: That comment struck a nerve with me. It hit my heart.

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Speaker 2: I'm in this business for our players, and it rattled

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Speaker 2: me that somebody could possibly be so factually incorrect in

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Speaker 2: stating that I was not part of Greg Brooks' Junior's

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Speaker 2: There's some issues I think with this statement that you

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Speaker 2: can probably point.

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Speaker 1: Out, Yes, very much. So you know how the young

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Speaker 1: gave me the ick.

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Speaker 2: Because well, to be fair, so Brian Kelly is saying

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Speaker 2: that someone from his staff that Brian Kelly was intentional

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Speaker 2: about having someone from his staff around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he said, he said somebody was there every day.

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Speaker 1: And do I think that he checked on him at

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Speaker 1: some point in time, Probably early on. But sometimes people

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Speaker 1: you want to feel like that your coach that it's

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Speaker 1: bigger than football for him and that he cares. Right,

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Speaker 1: So Brian Kelly can't, on one hand, say I do

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Speaker 1: this for the kids. When you left Notre Dame not

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Speaker 2: I do agree with that, but it's also depends on

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Speaker 2: What's crazy about that? No, I'm sorry, Julian Lewis is

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Speaker 2: you know, his national ranking did drop to number ten

435
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: in the country overall, but there's a much I think,

436
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: much less of a problem if you're Juju Lewis when

437
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: you see rivals drop you from the number one quarterback

438
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: in the country to the number three quarterback in the country,

439
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: while over on the other side, you go from the

440
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: number fourteen player in the country to the number one

441
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six player in the country. And the

442
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: wildest thing about that, George is nobody has had more

443
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: continuity in their high school career than Juju Lewis. He

444
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: had forty eight touchdown passes as a sophomore. Forty eight

445
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: is a junior. Forty eight is a senior.

446
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So it's not like his play dropped off it. No,

447
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: he was the.

448
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: Most consistent all throughout high school in Carrollton, Georgia.

449
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the excitement of the other players. That's the

450
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: thing about it is that it's the excitement of seeing

451
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: the other players and you're like, oh man, this kid's

452
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: so good, and the kid that you've seen the most,

453
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know, he's a little shorter, not sure,

454
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It just it's a perpetual cycle that

455
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: goes on. But let's talk about these recruiting rankings because

456
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: the final recruiting rankings are out because National Signing Day,

457
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: which was probably the most uneventful National Signing Day that

458
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: we've ever had. Is that is that fair?

459
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean this is part of my job, and

460
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: I almost forgot that yesterday that that yesterday through like

461
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: Sunday is the second signing day. So you're seeing teams

462
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: announced players and I was like, oh, oh yeah, and

463
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: a lot of them are the smaller.

464
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: So it was funny because Sierra Kenyon had a kicker

465
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: that that we we know Ashton Zamadi, who's one of

466
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: my kids' friends, he just signed to go to UCLA,

467
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: but he's been committed to u C l A And

468
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: it was just funny because I was like, why, why

469
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: did he just sign? I was like, oh my god,

470
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: his National Signing Day. And it was just very interesting

471
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: to me because this has changed so much and the

472
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: coaches and like, I want there to be some pomp

473
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: and circumstance surrounding National Signing Day again, whether it's in

474
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: the first window, second window, and I know that you

475
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: can't do it in a second window anymore because kids

476
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: like my kid check in in January, so maybe we

477
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: need to change the pomp and circumstance surrounding National Signing

478
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: Day to the first window and then leave our second

479
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: window as you know, as not the expectation, if that

480
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: makes sense.

481
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've got some I've got some recruiting tidbits

482
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: for you that I just want your reaction to because

483
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: we're in a brand new world of recruiting, right. High

484
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: school doesn't matter as much anymore because of the transfer.

485
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, let me let me tell you so

486
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: on three had to come up with a new way

487
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: to even track these recruits, right, because okay, so they

488
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: will either have when they commit, you know, the the

489
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: thing goes big and everything, and and then it says

490
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: commit it, and then it says signed, right, and then

491
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: eventually it'll say enrolled once they're enrolled, and wait, is

492
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: Bryce Underwood not checking in early at Michigan anyways? So

493
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: for jaring Kiwi, sagapool sagapool Telly the quarterback, short term signee.

494
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: That's what it says now, sow it says short term signee.

495
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was funny. I was like, oh wow,

496
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: they had that fun Like the world is constantly evolving.

497
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: So they had to create a new box inside of

498
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: their box, a new option in there.

499
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of evolving, it used to be there was

500
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: a cap of twenty five total recruits between the transfer

501
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: portal and high school that you could bring in every year.

502
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: Those caps have been removed. You tell technically could turn

503
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: your entire roster over in one season. You could get

504
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: eighty signees if you if you wanted to.

505
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: You can get one hundred and five if you want to,

506
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: because remember the new scholarship limits are going to be

507
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: one hundred and five. But God, that deep dives into

508
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: the settlement and all of that stuff, which I don't

509
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: even think is going to get approved. But that's a

510
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: whole nother conversation.

511
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: So, but that brings me to this. Four teams. Four

512
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: teams signed twenty eight or more high school players in

513
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: this signing class. Three teams signed thirty plus and one

514
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: team signed thirty five high school kids.

515
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: What So I'm actually not mad at that because you

516
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: should be signing a lot of like you need to

517
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: build your roster from the high school players. So you

518
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: got so I just found one. You got Syracuse thirty

519
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: five commits.

520
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: That's it. I was gonna have you guess who it was.

521
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: That went above and beyond. But yeah, Syracuses high school

522
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: class is thirty five deep and has like seven cornerbacks.

523
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, he's like one of them gonna turn like

524
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: two of them turn out.

525
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Frean Brown. Frean Brown went crazy in this class.

526
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: West Virginia went crazy in the class thirty one.

527
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: Yes, and they needed to got rich coming in and

528
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: and so they're the only one over twenty eight that

529
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: has a first year coach. TCU is the other one

530
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: that went over thirty, which I thought was very interesting.

531
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: One more you forgot, there's a new coach at Washington State.

532
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: Washington State went over thirty signees.

533
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: Thirty five, but they absolutely needed thirty five signees because

534
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: their whole roster got guted home. So they are they

535
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: are the They're they're the farm system team. Unfortunately for

536
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: a lot of programs them Utah State, Georgia State, Nevada.

537
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I see, I see that they will.

538
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Wait.

539
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: But the thing with Washington State is they only have

540
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: about twelve of those enrolled. The rest will We'll see

541
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: if the signing sticks. Because you can just ask out

542
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: of your your national letter of intent. You had that

543
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: happen with a quarterback.

544
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: Well that that's what happened with Washington State's quarterback signing.

545
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: He's at washing He's at Wake Forest right now.

546
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: That's right, Steele Pozzella. And so here's another one. This

547
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: will make you laugh. Uh So, one school I went

548
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: to and I'm obviously a fan of and had spent

549
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: time covering. Another school I didn't go too, but I

550
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: grew up around there. My mom went there at uncle's

551
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: go there.

552
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: Okay, And so Arizona State.

553
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: We're talking about Wyoming in Arizona State. So there was

554
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: a player out of the state of Texas who was

555
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: committed to Wyoming, and two weeks ago he asked out

556
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: of his NLI because their running backs coach, who's been

557
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: to the school for eleven years, went to be the

558
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: associate head coach at North Dakota. So he asks out

559
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: of his NLI And I was really excited about this kid.

560
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: He was like fifty nine and when in high school

561
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: he moved up from six man to eleven man and

562
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: he also averaged fifty as a basketball player, averaged fifty

563
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: what So he was going to go and he was

564
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: going to try to walk onto the basketball team and

565
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: play running back at Wyoming kid's name is Grace and Brigden.

566
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: I was so excited for him, the jewel of the

567
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: Wyoming signing class. So then he asks out of his

568
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: NLI and I've spent the last two weeks trying not

569
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 2: to be a we didn't want him anyway guy, because

570
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: it's really common if a guy signs with you to

571
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: just hate his guts yes right when he asks out.

572
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: And you've had this happen with a quarterback. Now you

573
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: got to spoiler Bridges at quarterback at Wyoming. We don't

574
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: got much right hey, man.

575
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: Man, you wish the kid kid well? Man, I hope

576
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: it works out for you. It just took me.

577
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: It just took me a few days to get to

578
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 2: the point where I wish the kid well.

579
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: But in the back of my head has a difference

580
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: where like at Oregon, you feel like you have two

581
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks on your roster right now, and so you're like, okay, yeah,

582
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: but with this kid, I'm like, oh, man, you can't

583
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: be worried about a high school freshman at this point

584
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: when you have a starter for one or two years,

585
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: because the world will look dramatically different twelve months. It's true,

586
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: these are all the things I've been telling myself over

587
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: the last two weeks to not get mad at Aire's

588
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: roster could be gone next year. Everyone up right, and

589
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: it is possible. So the story ends with this signing

590
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: day hits yesterday, and guess who's signing day list. This kid,

591
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: Grayson Rigden, pops up on Arizona State. That is correct.

592
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: So you were like, no, yes, yes, yes.

593
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: I was like it was like the scene from Happy

594
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: Gilmour at the beginning when he's like, come on the stairs, baby,

595
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: and she's like, I don't want to, I'm done, and

596
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: he's like, well, you're a lazy niggarden teacher. I've seen

597
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: the finger paintings you bring home when they suck. And

598
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: then five seconds later he's like I'm sorry baby. Yeah,

599
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: that's how I felt two weeks mad at this kid.

600
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: And now here he is rolling up to Arizona State

601
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, great signing, great signing.

602
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: I hope you didn't tweet anything crazy.

603
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: No I did not.

604
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so let's talk about these class rankings.

605
00:38:53,120 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: So according to two four seven, Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, Auburn, Florida,

606
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Texas A and M and LSU round out the top ten,

607
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: and then over on three Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas,

608
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: A and M, Auburn, LSU, and Tennessee. Now there was

609
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: one note that there was something that happened in this

610
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: class that has never happened to the University of Oregon

611
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: ever before. They finished with the highest average ranking.

612
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: Of perm per recruit, and.

613
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: They signed everybody that they signed except for one player

614
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: was four stars or five stars. Never happened. So Dan

615
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Lanning is putting this roster in a position to where

616
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: it is not good, it is special. Like you're gonna

617
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: have Oregon with one of the highest blue chip rankings

618
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: of any team in college football, which puts you in

619
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: national championship contention. Because still nobody with the blue chip

620
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: ratio less than fifty percent has won a national championship

621
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: since they've been calculating it. And now we have to

622
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: look at, you know, like the teams that are obviously

623
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: recruiting well but then have a chance to win a

624
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: national championship.

625
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: Bro, Yeah, I mean the blue chip rating still matters.

626
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: You have to hang on to this talent. Oregon finished

627
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: with the highest average per recruit on rivals of four

628
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: point one to one stars per recruit. They are the

629
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: only one in the country with an average recruit rating

630
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: of above four, which is crazy. And then what's even

631
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: crazier is you look over at the other school that

632
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: got four or five stars or above in Texas. And

633
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: it depends on which recruiting ranking you use, but let's

634
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: say that you use on three. Texas has four of

635
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: the top twenty three players in the country coming in. Yeah,

636
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: that's the type of stuff that you, I mean, if

637
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: you can manage to and and it's probably got about

638
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: a fifty percent hit rate of if you're graduating these

639
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: kids or if you're going to have them for three years.

640
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: And I'm pulling that statistic from the greatest recruiting class ever,

641
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: which was what Texas A and M's twenty twenty one, Right,

642
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 2: they retained about half those guys over a three year period.

643
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: So even assuming that, then you if you're at the

644
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: top of this list, if you're Georgia, you have to

645
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: be feeling fantastic. If you're Oregon you have to be

646
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: feeling fantastic. If you're Texas. Your baseline expectation at this

647
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: point now that you made two college football playoffs in

648
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: a row, is that you're not going back to what

649
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: you were for the last twelve years. You were in

650
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. Yes, which was extraordinarily inconsistent. And then

651
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Speaker 2: if you're Ohio State, you know, you look at the

652
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 2: Rivals rankings and you have twenty two players that are

653
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: that are committed to your high school class that are

654
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: four star and above. That means Rivals is saying that

655
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: twenty two of the guys that are coming in are

656
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Speaker 2: NFL caliber. That's a who lass recruiting class.

657
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Speaker 1: We have the highest rating last year of ninety percent,

658
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: ninety percent, and yes, a lot of those guys are

659
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: gonna graduate, but they're reloading them with guys who were

660
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: in that same category. So it so the question is, though, well,

661
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Speaker 1: I believe that we're gonna see judgment of coaches differently,

662
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: that as the playoff expands, especially if it expands the

663
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: sixteen teams, that the judgment will be significantly more like

664
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Speaker 1: college basketball. Because if your coach makes it to the

665
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen or the Elite eight every year and never

666
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: wins the championship, he's never getting fired. You're gonna have

667
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: college football coaches who make the tournament every single year,

668
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: win a game in the tournament, and then lose or

669
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Speaker 1: end up in the semifinals, never win, and you're not

670
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: gonna be able to fire. Their fan base is gonna

671
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: be frustrated. But how can you fire a guy to

672
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: get you damn near to the finish line every year

673
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, one of these years, he's gonna come through.

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Speaker 2: Right, right? So do any of these teams stick out

675
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Speaker 2: to you as being surprising in where they landed in

676
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Speaker 2: the high school recruiting rankings?

677
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Speaker 1: Oh? Probably. I think Alabama still got the luster run

678
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: it right. If they have another disappointing season, that's gonna

679
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Speaker 1: be rough on their recruiting. I'm surprised a little bit

680
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Speaker 1: by Auburn, but I know that they're spending big bucks

681
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: right now to try to get their recruiting class better.

682
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Speaker 1: And I would probably say Florida State being at twenty

683
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: in on threes was that feels a little bit surprising

684
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: and over in their number nineteen in two four seven,

685
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: like that's not what you would be expecting out of

686
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: Florida State, where they had thirteen four stars ten three

687
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: stars signed.

688
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: I think the biggest surprising The biggest surprise for me

689
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: was that Wisconsin, who is coming off of and six

690
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: record in the Big Ten, Luke Farrell's probably officially in

691
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: hot seat territory. Luke Ferrell going into next season, I

692
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: feel is where Sam Pittman and Dave Randa were heading

693
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: into this year. Yeah, is that fair? And so for

694
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: Wisconsin to get ten four stars out of high school

695
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: and only three of them being offensive linemen, because he

696
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, they got ten four stars, they're probably

697
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: all on the O line. No, they got a four

698
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: star dB out of Ohio, they got a four star

699
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: dB out of Chicago, they got a four star wide

700
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: receiver out of Indiana, and they got a couple of

701
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: really really high end defensive ends out of Florida and Illinois.

702
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: That was the one that stood out to me that like, Okay,

703
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: even though they're losing guys in the transfer portal, even

704
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: though they went five and seven in season, Luke Ferrell

705
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: is still getting high school studs. Yes, and so that

706
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: to me says that maybe maybe we shouldn't be looking

707
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: at Wisconsin as like a next year or bust, but

708
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: maybe a two years down the road.

709
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: YEP. I gotta give some credit to Colorado Deon Sanders

710
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: fourteen high school recruits, which.

711
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: Is and that really is the thing he likes to

712
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: do last year.

713
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: Because hopefully he's like, oh damn, I gotta actually recruit

714
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: high school to have some long term success. I would

715
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: probably say Mississippi State being inside of the top twenty five,

716
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: that's intriguing. They had a ton of players enter the

717
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: transfer portal or is this SEC rankings beginning SEC rankings.

718
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: I'll throw one more out there. That absolutely shocked me.

719
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: Oregon State. Oregon State finished sixty in the team recruiting rankings,

720
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: which is crazy to me considering they don't have a conference,

721
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: right yep. And that's also where they finished in twenty

722
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: twenty three was around sixty. They finished at fifty ninth.

723
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: So that's when they had Jonathan Smith. That's when the

724
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: Pac twelve was still alive. That's when they were coming

725
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: off a winning season and they had the number sixty

726
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: recruiting class in the country at the well fifty ninth,

727
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: and then two years later, after having lost everybody and

728
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: their conference is gone, they still land around sixtieth. And

729
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: so that's Trent Ray right.

730
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: It's like reference right, just for reference, the teams that

731
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Speaker 1: are around them. We're talking about Iowa State, cow Boston

732
00:47:53,680 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: College byu UCF, Louisville, Kansas, vander Built, Like that's who

733
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: they're around. It's not two lane, Boise State, Washington State

734
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: would be in the same situation as Oregon State. That's Ralph.

735
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: That's actually a very good point, just the fact that

736
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Speaker 1: they're able to hold on that they're able to recruit

737
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: on that level with no conference, no revenue plan.

738
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is and with Jonathan Smith and Mian State like

739
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 2: they maintained their level. It's like everything around them.

740
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: Three is ranked fiftieth, fiftieth and that's not.

741
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: That far state.

742
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: Huh, that's not that far ahead of oregonst on two

743
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: four to seven.

744
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 2: There you go, developer, but good lord, But yeah, that's

745
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: that's a bravo to Trent Bray. In my opinion, we're

746
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: looking for a deep cut of who you know of

747
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: who was a big winner when it came to high

748
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: school recruits. Oregon State is setting themselves up to be

749
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: the class of whatever this new conference is. And like

750
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: you pointed out, they so Michigan State had seventeen to

751
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: three star recruits according to Rivals, Oregon State had twenty Yeah.

752
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: What sets Michigan State apart is they did land a

753
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: lone five star or a four star recruit, which they

754
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: typically do every single year. They'll get a couple of

755
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 2: guys who are were really high end in this year,

756
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: that was Derek Simmons' defensive tackle. But other than that,

757
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: if you flipped Michigan State and Oregon State's recruiting classes,

758
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be that much different as far as the

759
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: ratings go.

760
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: Nope, And I want to point something out to that

761
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: teams that have good seasons, they typically don't see those

762
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: those results in the immediate recruiting class is usually the

763
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: cycle after, like for instance, Arizona State, they are forty

764
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: four on two, four seven, and then on on three

765
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: they're forty eight. So the result of this college Football

766
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: Playoff appearance will be felt this upcoming year, provided that

767
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: they continued the momentum. I expect I need to be

768
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: somewhere close to the top twenty five for twenty twenty six,

769
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: assuming that they start the year off well.

770
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Speaker 2: Unless your Boise State, than those days just never come.

771
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, get them days ain't coming.

772
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 2: Boise State's always doing the most with the least.

773
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: Hey, but they're going to the PAC twelve, so they

774
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: got a shot.

775
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: They're going to the PAC twelve getting eleven less three

776
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: star recruits than Oregon State got this year.

777
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: Not good? All right? So before we change the subject,

778
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: which of these teams in the top twenty five? Right,

779
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: because you got obviously Penn State, Miami, USC, Missouri, South Carolina, Oklahoma,

780
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: Oh miss is lower than much lower than they were

781
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: last year, much lower. And this goes to a something

782
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: I was reading about where they talked about that there

783
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: are schools that spent some of the twenty six money,

784
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: the twenty five or twenty six money this last year

785
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: for the revenue sharing money that they borrowed forward, which

786
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can you do that? But that's a

787
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: whole other thing. So which of these teams in the

788
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: top twenty five? So well, let's take the on three rankings,

789
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: the or the two four seven, or we can compare

790
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: which one of these teams inside the top twenty five

791
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: because somebody is going to underachieve. Who would you.

792
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: Choose USC USC Geez?

793
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: Okay? Why because everybody? Because because you got Josh Pate,

794
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: you got other people that are like, they're so excited

795
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: about everything that's going on about USC like he's hired

796
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: a great defensive staff. I cannot argue with that hired

797
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: a fantastic defensive staff, they still need a quarterback, like

798
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: for somebody to step up as their true you know,

799
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: leader quarterback guy. But about that, yeah, and everything else,

800
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: So why do you and what does underachievement look like

801
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: in your mind?

802
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: Well, the underachievement in my mind looks like not finishing

803
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: around where your recruiting ranking was.

804
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: In the Oh okay, okay that yeah, Like so not

805
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: finishing in the top fifteen in the country.

806
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: Yes, So if on threes recruiting ranking for USC was

807
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 2: fifteen in twenty twenty five and fifth in the Big ten,

808
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: do I think three years from now they're going to

809
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: match that? And that's assuming there's no drastic changes or

810
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: anything like that. I definitely do not. And one of

811
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: the reasons is the makeup of this high school recruiting

812
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: class for USC. They got about eleven kids that are

813
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: considered future NFL draft picks out of the high school

814
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: rankings or that are borderline, because that's what these ratings are.

815
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: Four star are people that the recruiting services believe will

816
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: be an NFL draft pick. Five star is who the

817
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: recruiting services believe will be a first round pick. So

818
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: for USC, the only projected first round pick is Hussan Longstreet. Right, yes,

819
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: so at that one you can say, all right, they

820
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: got their man at quarterback. But getting their man at

821
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: quarterback hasn't been enough for USC in the Lincoln Riley

822
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: Eric because they always get their quarterback. Now the issue

823
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: is for me that only four of the rest of

824
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: the ten of those high level recruits came from the

825
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: state of California. They're still not doing good or as

826
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: well as they should be in California. Now that a

827
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: guy that you're very familiar with to transfer back as

828
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: a four star transfer recruit from San Jose State, So

829
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: they have DJ Harvey who went to see Er Canyon,

830
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: I believe with your son who is a high level

831
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: transfer at the cornerback position, and they got your guy

832
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: Sam Hewart to transfer into play backup quarterback. But as

833
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: far as the high school recruits, I'm not super impressed

834
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 2: with how they're doing in the state of California. Therefore,

835
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: I think they're going to severely severely underperformed because the

836
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: kids they get from out of state, they have a

837
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: higher tendency to maybe go back home. So when Alex

838
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: gain out of Georgia, that's one of their best bag and.

839
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: Take take, take the bag and bounce, because USC has

840
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: up there, nil and up the entire like how much

841
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: they're offering everything else and like they've made some offers

842
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: that kids cannot say no to, and those.

843
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: Kids are from Virginia, Michigan, Baltimore, outside Atlanta. Might go home.

844
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So for for me, the pick that I'm

845
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: going to make, I'm gonna go with in the top

846
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: twenty five. Oh man, let's go Missouri, Missouri inside of

847
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: the top sixteen. I was thinking Missouri l s ut No, no, no,

848
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with LSU because L s U's at

849
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: nine and I don't believe that they're gonna be at nine.

850
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a pretty good pick considering that that

851
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: what what Brian Kelly has done with what he currently

852
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: has to work with. Yes, and the five stars that

853
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 2: he have, he has, you know, they they they aren't

854
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: typically at positions where where five stars typically work out.

855
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: So DJ Pickett is a five star corner. Five star

856
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: corners don't often translate you and and the evidence of

857
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: that is Kiley Ringo being a five star and ending

858
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 2: up like a fourth rounder, Elias Rix being a five star,

859
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: top ten player in the country and ending up, you know,

860
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: marginal draft pick. So DJ Pikett's gonna have to fight

861
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: through for that. And then one of their other five

862
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: stars is a running back. How many five star running

863
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: backs actually live up to that billing? And Harlem Barry,

864
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: you know he's gonna have to. He's gonna have to

865
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: find a way to stand out immediately. I mean, this

866
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: is the number one player in all of Louisiana that

867
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: got him to play running back and he's considered a

868
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: future first round pick. Doesn't often work out that way,

869
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: So I think you're you're kind of on the right

870
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: track here, all right.

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Speaker 1: Next thing up on the college football apostles, make sure

872
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: you guys like subscribe, get notifications, all of that, and

873
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: share hopping the comments. Right now, we'll give you a

874
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: second before we get to talking about Jallen Milroe. So,

875
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: Jylen Milroe, people have asked him about changing to the

876
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: running back position, and he was like, you don't ask

877
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: a zebra to be a What was like, you don't

878
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: ask a zebra to be something something else?

879
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: He said, you don't ask uh, you don't ask a

880
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: zebra to be a dog.

881
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I one hundred percent stand by, up for and

882
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: with Jalen Milraw about what he said. There are so

883
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: many times and now now there now this is going

884
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: to be a ship sandwich where all those things about

885
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Mirro I won one hundred percent agree with him.

886
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: I applaud him for standing on business because sometimes coaches

887
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: don't know how to deal with the athleticism or what

888
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: they're taught and all of this stuff and figure it

889
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: out and all of that. If you're a quarterback, you're

890
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback. If it doesn't work out, then you can

891
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: change positions. But at at the same time, if anybody

892
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: drafts Jaylen Milroe with a top well with a first

893
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,959
Speaker 1: round pick, be prepared to get your pink slipper.

894
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 2: He is.

895
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: I believe the kid is a phenomenal athlete. He seems

896
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: like a cool kid. I don't know him, seems like

897
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: he might be, you know, like a good person. However,

898
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: good people don't make great football players all the time.

899
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: And I do not believe that he has the requisite

900
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: tools to be that. He needs more development and refinement

901
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: to be a good NFL quarterback. This feels like a

902
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: if somebody grabs him in the first round, because somebody

903
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: told him that and he came out of he needed

904
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: another year of college football. But if he gets drafted

905
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: in the first round, this feels like it'll just be

906
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: a money pit, like the like the Anthony Richardson money

907
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: pit that the Colts are a part of right now.

908
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: Now, Anthony Richardson is going to make more money as

909
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: a first round quarterback than he would as probably a

910
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: star running back or semi star running back yes, or

911
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: tight end yes in his career. So like there's more

912
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: as a backup quarterback than a starting running back.

913
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's the point though, Ralph, is that you

914
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: got to get drafted in the first round though, and

915
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that that's going to happen.

916
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: Regardless. He's not another position, right, he says, Bill O'Brien

917
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: told him he wasn't a quarterback. Well, he went on

918
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: to be a pretty successful quarterback at Alabama and at

919
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: the NFL level. He's got a good deep ball, he's

920
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: extremely athletic. He could get away with it for a

921
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: while probably, but he's got the smallest hands of any

922
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL. Ever ever, ever, we yeah, and

923
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: I mean I think about Dante Colpepper a little bit

924
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: that it does. It does cause problems. Yes, you could

925
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: be a fumbler. But at the same time, like again

926
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: with his act, the way that Anthony Richardson gets away

927
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: with it, he could too, which I think would be

928
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: enough for people to keep him around as a backup quarterback.

929
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 2: You're gonna make more money at that position than any

930
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: starting position that you would play. Regardless, I do feel

931
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: bad that he has to answer questions like this, but

932
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: also for him, I do feel that we've probably moved

933
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: beyond the racism of it. Yes, and people are just

934
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: talking about the fact that this is a freakish athlete

935
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: at the quarterback.

936
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: He's a freakish athlete who has it, who didn't throw

937
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: the ball very well this last year. I mean, it's

938
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: it's fair. It's fair. I mean, you gotta It's like

939
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: it's like Riley Leonard. Yes he should be thinking about

940
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: potentially playing tight end. But maybe I'm just saying.

941
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: And it happens your guy, Matt Jones, Felipe Franks, like,

942
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: people do make that Logan Thomas Yep. People do make

943
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: that transition for sure.

944
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of transition, though, Ron Rivera, oh he's gotten the

945
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick bug. He's like, oh, I'm going back to college.

946
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: Bill's made it cool to go back to college. I'm

947
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna go help Justin Wilcox. O Brad cal I like

948
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: this move because Justin Wilcox needs some help. And Ron

949
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: Rivera now he can sell even more. Even though Justin

950
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: Wilcox put a lot of defensive players in the NFL,

951
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: he can sell. Listen, here are the things that I know,

952
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: here are the things that work, and maybe he can

953
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: help him get an offense together. They tried this last year,

954
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: which which the irony where their offense was much better

955
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: and their defense wasn't quite as good, which was ironic.

956
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: So in the ACC can Ron Rivera help him when

957
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: they're playing against Bill Belichick? Yes, yes, this is at

958
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: some level though, but okay, like Bill Belichick and Ron

959
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: Rivera in college football, nobody then we.

960
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: Talked about how is nobody wanted to work in college

961
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: football anymore? And now we got all these pro coaches

962
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: dropping down to Hey, it's funny how that works. It's

963
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: funny how that works. I would be worried.

964
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: Remember the talking point was all the coaches are gonna leave,

965
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, so what if they don't want

966
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: to be be here? Sayonara, there will be plenty of

967
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: coaches who want these jobs, guarantee and good ones. You

968
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about chasing after. If Ryan Day

969
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: is like, oh I'm sick of being a college I

970
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: want to go, Okay, peace out. Do you think that

971
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: there's Do you think Ohio State is gonna have any

972
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: trouble finding stealing somebody else's head coach? No? And then

973
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: wherever that coach comes from, do you think that you know,

974
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: if he leaves Miami, do you think Miami's gonna have

975
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: trouble finding the coach? No? And then the coach that

976
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: replaces Miami from Memphis, do you think Memphis is gonna

977
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: have trouble finding a head coach? No, So don't worry

978
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: about them talking about they they leave it. So what, Sayonara?

979
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? If I'm justin Wilcox like, yes, yes, I do

980
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: think that it will be helpful. You know, I think

981
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: I watched this with Arizona State and Marvin Lewis. I

982
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: think that it'll be incredibly helpful. Now, well, if I'm

983
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: if I'm Justin Wilcox. I do worry a little bit

984
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: that Cal fans are would be happier going six and

985
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: seven with Ron Rivera than they would going six and

986
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: seven with Justin Wilcox's head coach's and sevens. There's been

987
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: quite a few that George. This year, if they don't

988
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: have a winning record in the ACC, will be their

989
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: fifteenth straight year with the losing record in conference.

990
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: Damn, so I I see Ron Rivera, Are you actually

991
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: edited in the right direction?

992
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: No, Fernando Mendoza just left. You're definitely not headed in

993
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: the right direction. Now they get Jayden Ought back, which

994
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: is cool, But uh I my worry is that Ron

995
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: Rivera is from cal Berkeley.

996
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera is not oh that that he's gonna get,

997
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that that he's gonna pull at Doc

998
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: Rivers with Alvin Gentry. Yes, me, Alvin Gentry when when

999
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: he was basically a consultant with the Bucks and then

1000
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: they just fired the Bucks coach.

1001
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Because Ron Rivera's not done coaching.

1002
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: He interviewed for NFL jobs this year. Yes, he's not done,

1003
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 2: and he is a Cal golden Bear and Justin Wilcox

1004
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: has never once had a winning record in conference, and

1005
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: eventually the cal fans, who are very passionate, are gonna

1006
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: get sick of that.

1007
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: They went two and six in conference this year. Lord

1008
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: have mercy. That's not good. That's not good. Ralph. I'm

1009
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: just gonna tell you that.

1010
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: He's had two conference wins or less four times, one

1011
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: of those of the COVID year. But still they weren't good.

1012
01:06:53,640 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, next thing up, the SEC, Ralph, you

1013
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: were talking about this. The SEC is trying to make

1014
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: their path to the College Football Playoff a little bit easier.

1015
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: Yes, they want, they want. They had a meeting, the

1016
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: Big Ten was involved, and that's it because they don't

1017
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: think anybody else matters anyway. And what they want is

1018
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: they want more SEC teams, they want to recede, they

1019
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: want to get rid of the conference champion guaranteed by

1020
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: They just want things that are that are gonna make

1021
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 2: life on the SEC easier.

1022
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: They want four guaranteed spots, which this year proved they

1023
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: they should not have four guaranteed spots. Nobody should have

1024
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: four guaranteed spots. I'm thankful that this year played out

1025
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: the way it did because nobody should have guarant guaranteed

1026
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: spots throw that mess in the trash outside of conference champions.

1027
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: Now I do, on the other hand, subscribe to the theory.

1028
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: What now if if you get in on a guarantee,

1029
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: you're getting made fun of?

1030
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes, that is charity case not worked

1031
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: for what you got all of that. But I do agree.

1032
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 2: And if they guarantee, they still would have complained this

1033
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 2: here because.

1034
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: Oh well it should have been five in Yeah.

1035
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: Because if it's then you would have even you still

1036
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 2: would have left either South Carolina or will miss out.

1037
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: And the fans wanted South Carolina and the one person

1038
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: who's loud wanted old miss Yep.

1039
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: So I would say that the receding crucial, that the

1040
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: automatic births I'm one hundred on, but that the top

1041
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: four teams in the rankings should get the buys, and yeah,

1042
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: that wherever you're ranked, that's where you should be seated.

1043
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: But with the guarantees. So if it's twelve teams and

1044
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: then number sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen are the guarantee,

1045
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: are the top five champions are the power are the

1046
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 1: conference champions, then they should be number nine, ten, eleven,

1047
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: and twelve.

1048
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 2: But why is there Why do people even care what

1049
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: happens with the buys when it's now been proven that

1050
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,440
Speaker 2: they weren't necessarily good for you, Ralph.

1051
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: See. The only reason why I think that matters is

1052
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: because then it keeps what people complained about Oregon having

1053
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: to play Ohio State in the first round, so you

1054
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: actually then get a chance to play more competitive games

1055
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: in the first round, and then the teams that where

1056
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: your better teams should end up playing easier games in

1057
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs. Even though I don't

1058
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: think that there should be buyas begin with just either

1059
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: eight teams or sixteen teams.

1060
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm I agree with you. There is quite a movement

1061
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: for a fourteen with only the top two, and the

1062
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: top two are going to be your SEC, your top

1063
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 2: ranked SEC, and your top ranked Big Ten every year.

1064
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 2: But I'm afraid is every concession that we give is

1065
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 2: gonna get closer and closer to people just saying we

1066
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: don't want conference championships anymore at all, because what the

1067
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 2: SEC is going to run into is they're going to

1068
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: have their second best team win a conference championship and

1069
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 2: get a bye, and then the best team is going

1070
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:47,799
Speaker 2: to find a way to complain.

1071
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: Yep, now you are one right about that, because they

1072
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: will not be happy at all until it's a Big

1073
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: ten SEC only in invitational. And that's why I'm actually

1074
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: rooting for the Big ten and the ACC and the

1075
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: group of five schools to keep winning games in the playoffs.

1076
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: If I'm in the ACC or the Big Twelve, I

1077
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: will concede eight guaranteed spots for the Big two conferences.

1078
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: If they concede, that's all they get. I will, yeah,

1079
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: I will hand that to them on a silver platter.

1080
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 2: If they then turn around and say, all right, well

1081
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 2: then only four get in, I'll guarantee four. But you

1082
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 2: only get four.

1083
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: Oh and especially at sixteen, they get real funky, buddy,

1084
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: real funky.

1085
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 2: Because it's gonna work out in your favor to get

1086
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: a third ACC or a third Big twelve team in

1087
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: over a fifth SEC team. So yeah, I would that

1088
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: I need that as long as art so then it's

1089
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 2: only four from both.

1090
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I like that you onto something, but you, guys though,

1091
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: that is college football apostles for this week. Make sure

1092
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: that you like, subscribe, get notifications, and tell a friend

1093
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 1: peace out. We will catch you guys later.