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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I can't believe that the

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Speaker 1: Alabama kidnapped faker Carly Russell has somehow managed to avoid jail.

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Speaker 1: She gets one year probation and eighteen thousand dollars fine. Ouch, gosh,

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Speaker 1: she's faking a big one like this at twenty six.

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Speaker 1: What will she be doing at thirty six? Do you

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Speaker 1: remember Curly Russell, the cute, cute, cute twenty six year

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Speaker 1: old causing a national panic when she goes missing, only

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Speaker 1: to miraculously be saved by herself claiming she was kidnapped

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Speaker 1: by a couple on the side of the road. Wow,

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Speaker 1: straight probation after all she put us through. The Alabama

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Speaker 1: woman who faked a story about a kidnapping has been

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Speaker 1: I mean, sye Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Carle Russell, aged twenty six, charged with

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Speaker 1: two misdemeanors for false statements last July when she told

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Speaker 1: cops she was kidnapped after going missing for several days.

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Speaker 1: You remember what happened? She claimed she saw a toddler

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Speaker 1: on the side of the road and left her car

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Speaker 1: tot What a load of bs technical legal term.

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Speaker 2: Remember this, Where was she for those forty nine hours?

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Speaker 2: She said, she stayed in's Hoover the entire time and

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Speaker 2: no one helped her. So where was she for those

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Speaker 1: Where did she sleep? Where did she stay?

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Speaker 2: How did she leave that area where she abandoned her

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at w VM with me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we know

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Speaker 1: right now. Twenty five year old Carly Russell says that

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Speaker 1: throwing her family and the Hoover PD into chaos as

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Speaker 1: nearly seventy thousand dollars to help find her, one anonymous

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Speaker 1: says quote, I'm disgusted. Well, I second that emotion. Guys.

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Speaker 3: Mister Anthony asked I read the statement in its entirety,

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Speaker 3: which I will do now. My client has given me

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Speaker 3: permission to make the following statement on her behalf. There

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Speaker 3: was no kidnap on Thursday July nineteen thirteenth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: My client did not see a baby on the side

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Speaker 3: which she was identified as a missing person. My client

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Speaker 3: did not have any help in this incident. But this

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand that that is Chief Nick Dervis

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Speaker 1: who has been given a statement by Curly Russell. Woman,

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Speaker 1: get out there and apologize yourself for Pete's sake. But

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Speaker 1: you're hearing from Curly Russell, through her lawyer, through the Chief.

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Speaker 1: But I want you to hear this too. Now you

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Speaker 1: no one in danger. I was never missing. Now take

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Speaker 4: It is two one seventy one. It's gonna be forty

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Speaker 4: Fore you got a little phone negative. But she's saying

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Speaker 5: Now one one, where's your records? Same?

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Speaker 6: Hi, I am on Interstate four fifty.

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Speaker 7: Nine and there is a chie just walking by their shells.

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Speaker 5: Oh hold on, hold on, where where I'm forest down?

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Speaker 7: They're walking towards Tuscalusave walking southbound?

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Speaker 5: How old did they look like?

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Speaker 6: The toddlers, like maybe like three or four?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 6: I didn't get out of the car. I'm just I

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Speaker 5: Okay. What kind of car are you in? I'm in

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Speaker 5: a red Mercedes Ben and that's Savana receiving as you be.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't. I love listening to this I woman

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Speaker 1: Okay, they say, Man, she's such a good samaritan. A

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Speaker 1: good samaritan that costs the taxpayers that's US about five

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Speaker 1: me in all Star panel. But can I first go

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Speaker 1: to Cheryl McCollum, founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute,

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Speaker 1: star of Zone seven, a Hitting You podcast, and you

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Speaker 1: can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl. Really, he's

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Speaker 1: about three or four years old. And I'm so worried.

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Speaker 1: I'm so worried that I'm not getting out of my car,

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Speaker 1: of course, but I am worried, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: follow him for six hundred yards in my car. That's

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Speaker 1: cover it exactly on day one because it was a lie.

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Speaker 1: He was obviously a lie. And we have actual people

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Speaker 1: And here's this girl making up a whole big deal

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Speaker 1: get online? Woman, there are millions of people out there

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Speaker 1: Well, now we're just trying to figure out what really

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, She's right up there with

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Speaker 1: Jesse Smollette, Jennifer Wilbanks and remember super Mom Cherry Peppini.

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Speaker 1: They all need to be in the same pot to stew,

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Speaker 1: causing police, sheriffs volunteers to veer away from real crimes

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Speaker 1: much less worry concern. I could have done a program

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Speaker 1: on a real crime victim instead of trying to find

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Speaker 1: Carly Russell. But no, I tried to find her, although

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Speaker 1: Just like Cheery Peppenies, just like Jennifer Willlbanks, just like

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Speaker 1: Jesse Smollette. Did they think we just fell off the

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Speaker 1: turnip truck? No, we did not. What happened in the case.

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Speaker 1: Tavana Sapp multimedia journalist, reporter WAFF four eight and Bama.

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Speaker 1: You can find her on Twitter at Savannah Sap Sapp.

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Speaker 1: Savannah what and the hey? If this girl is snugged

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, you can't go to jail for telling

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Speaker 1: You know what, I had so many felonies coming on

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Speaker 15: It absolutely is. And it's because you are about to

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Speaker 1: It's perjury. Perjury is a crime. Now I want to

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Speaker 1: point out that Carly Russell is being handled with kid gloves.

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Speaker 14: They're going to.

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Speaker 12: Pull every resource they can get on the resource list

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Speaker 1: Guys, we're talking about Carly Russell, who, as it turns out,

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Speaker 10: Difference between right and wrong? Should we hold her responsible

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Speaker 1: The Alabama kidnap faker Carly Russell skates out of court

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Speaker 8: According to police, Carly then called a relative to tell

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Speaker 8: When police got there, Carly was gone, her Mercedes still running. Friends, family,

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Speaker 1: Police have used every synonym for a lie. They're saying

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Speaker 1: now with me Lee Reeber, mobile device forensic expert, CEO

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Speaker 14: Well, you know, it always comes down to you, right

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Speaker 14: So it's probably the wrong place if you're going to

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Speaker 14: I'm sure that they assues that came out. They had

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Speaker 1: Not telling the truth. I guess that's one way of

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Speaker 9: women to be believed, and it may actually decrease the

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Speaker 9: number of actual reports of things because people are already

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Speaker 9: afraid that they won't be believed.

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Speaker 2: Auguster says, the police chief outlined three crimes that they

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Speaker 2: believe Carly has committed. That's that lying to authorities and

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Speaker 2: filing a false police report.

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Speaker 1: We all remember the case of Jesse Smollett. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to this.

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Speaker 16: Police body camera video shows the moment officers first arrived

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Speaker 16: at Jesse Smollett's apartment after the actor claimed he'd been attacked.

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Speaker 16: Smolette still has what appears to be a noose around.

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Speaker 1: His neck if you want to take it off for anything.

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Speaker 16: Just Smolette told police he was assaulted by two masked

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Speaker 16: men yelling racist and homophobic slurs. For more than three weeks,

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Speaker 16: at least twenty four detectives searched for the two men

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Speaker 16: and investigated Smollett's claims.

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Speaker 1: Guys, we're talking about Jesse Smollette. He ended up paying

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Speaker 1: about one hundred and twenty thousand dollars of restitution. He

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Speaker 1: got one hundred and fifty days behind bars for filing

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Speaker 1: a false report. To Cheryl McCollum, what exactly went into

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Speaker 1: the search for Carly Russell.

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Speaker 6: They had air helicopter land, they had people on foot,

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Speaker 6: they had canaines, They had you know, her sales and

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Speaker 6: being looked at. They were interviewing family, friends and co workers.

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Speaker 6: They pulled everybody off, you know, having days off. This

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Speaker 6: was a full court press. Every available person including citizens

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Speaker 6: that came to volunteer. Nancy, she had the SBI, the

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Speaker 6: Secret Service, Hoover Police, Alabama State Police, She had you

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Speaker 6: and crime Online, she had the Today Show.

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Speaker 11: Think of the resources that were given to her, and

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Speaker 11: every homicide, true missing person, child, molestation, aggravate assault, domestic violence.

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Speaker 6: They were all put on hold to search for her

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Speaker 6: because they believed time was of the essence. But I

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Speaker 6: want to say something very clearly, she didn't fool everybody.

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Speaker 6: Because you and I were talking Saturday and Sunday. We

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Speaker 6: knew it was bogus on day one because it didn't

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Speaker 6: add up. I mean, the story didn't make any sense.

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Speaker 6: How many times did you and I look at that video.

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Speaker 1: Scouring it, blowing it up, playing in a slow mo.

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Speaker 1: There was no boy walking along the side of the interstate.

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Speaker 1: That was all a big light. And let me tell

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Speaker 1: you what Jesse Smilett got. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: cut forty four from the Today Show.

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Speaker 17: Judge James Lynn sentencing Smelett to thirty months felony probation,

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Speaker 17: including that jail time, ordering he paid more than one

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Speaker 17: hundred and twenty thousand dollars in restitution to the City

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Speaker 17: of Chicago and pay the maximum fine twenty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: You've turned your life upside down.

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Speaker 18: Fire this conduct in Shenanigan's You've destroyed your life as

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Speaker 18: you knew it.

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Speaker 17: As a defiance, Smolette was taken into custody last night,

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Speaker 17: his family blasting the judge's decision.

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Speaker 14: He's the reason why folks aren't going to report hate crimes.

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Speaker 14: They're the reason why folks aren't going to report hate crimes.

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Speaker 1: No, Smollette, you're the problem, not everybody else. And the

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Speaker 1: same thing here, people giving time, gee, blood, sweat and

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Speaker 1: tears to find Curly Russell when she's obviously propped up

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Speaker 1: somewhere having takeout, watching the news about her own disappearance.

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Speaker 1: And then of course there's Jennifer will Banks, the so

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Speaker 1: called runaway bride. Now, this wedding was a big shindig

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Speaker 1: in high society Atlanta. I mean a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars shelld out for a big wedding,

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Speaker 1: and poof, the bride disappears. She gets quote kidnapped. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut forty seven her nine to

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Speaker 1: one one call I hope.

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Speaker 5: I would say there, I mean I would saying her

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Speaker 5: forties maybe.

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Speaker 1: Have lag?

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Speaker 10: Was it?

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Speaker 5: Longer, short, short, having a hair, no bocolor for Katackie,

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Speaker 5: what you want I want to ask for him.

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Speaker 18: I don't know Marion jacking and I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: Color he's now.

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Speaker 5: Looking at the lid.

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Speaker 15: It was a blue van like a work vand looking

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Speaker 15: a conversion or any It.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't an It was like a like a paint, like

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Speaker 5: a paint or work band.

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Speaker 3: Direction did they leave in?

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Speaker 17: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea run in or know where I am,

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Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven shell Nutt. Do you hear that

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Speaker 1: it sounds like Carl Russell at her elaborate lie about

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Speaker 1: this little bearfoot boy wearing a diaper that she's trying

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Speaker 1: desperately to say, yet not getting out of her car.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that Hispanic males, short hair, no facial hair,

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Speaker 1: a maroon jacket, blue jeans, a blue van. But no,

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Speaker 1: not a conversion or a mini van. It was a

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Speaker 1: paint work van. I mean this woman had so many details.

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Speaker 1: I mean, was she just running this like a movie

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Speaker 1: in her head?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 15: You know, when you start looking at the stories that

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Speaker 15: people tell about what happened to them, one of the

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Speaker 15: things that you focus on is their ability to recall

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Speaker 15: selective details, details that benefit them, but they don't recall

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Speaker 15: details that may put a whole in their story or

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Speaker 15: that may bring things into question. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 15: you have. Here's what you haven't called the Russell's case.

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Speaker 15: And you know that's a major tip off for investigators.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace, she says, I want to

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Speaker 1: genuinely apologize for my actions and the resulting negative impact

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Speaker 1: inflicted onto others. I made a grave mistake while trying

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Speaker 1: to fight through various emotional issues and stress. I'm extremely

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Speaker 1: remorseful blah blah blah for the panic blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: experienced across the nation. But I don't want to go

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Speaker 1: to jail, Okay, I added that last part. Russell's lawyer said,

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Speaker 1: fall the sentencing, we want to thank Judge Carpenter. Blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. Carle apologized. Really, all criminals will apologize to

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Speaker 1: avoid jail. The Queen of fake disappearances, Sherry Peppini Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Matt Gutman and our cut

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Speaker 1: thirty eight from GMA.

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Speaker 18: In November of twenty sixteen, Sherry Peppinie vanished for twenty

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Speaker 18: two days. Then on Thanksgiving morning, she materialized on a

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Speaker 18: highway nearly one hundred and fifty miles from home, a

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Speaker 18: trucker stopping and calling nine one one for her. That

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Speaker 18: call her for the first time this morning.

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Speaker 5: What's turning?

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Speaker 12: You're chained up?

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Speaker 1: She's chained up? Yes, she said, she was chained up, beaten,

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Speaker 1: branded like you see on TV, branding cattle. And it

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Speaker 1: turns out she was holed up with her boyfriend the

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Speaker 1: whole time and actually tortured her. So hard to believe,

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Speaker 1: but it happened. Karen Stark, that was a lot to

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Speaker 1: swallow that she would brand herself, break her own tooth,

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Speaker 1: beat herself, but she did, and she admitted to it.

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Speaker 10: Nat she think about the amounts of attention she was

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Speaker 10: able to get and how exciting that must have been

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Speaker 10: with her for her, I mean, here she is, she's

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Speaker 10: with her boyfriend and able to get everybody sterical about

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Speaker 10: what happened to her. And that's narcissism to the highest

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Speaker 10: degree that you could think of.

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Speaker 1: Well, slow down, narcissism, explain.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, that's somebody who is so involved with themselves,

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Speaker 10: so much above the law, that they could go to

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Speaker 10: that kind of extent to make sure that people see

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Speaker 10: them as a victim and worry about them. And that's

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Speaker 10: attention to speed on what's going on. It makes them

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Speaker 10: really feel loved and wanted.

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Speaker 1: Savannah Sap joining us from WAFF four Beate Alabama, and

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Speaker 1: I understand sympathy or empathy for her, wondering what drove

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Speaker 1: her to do this, But the reality is is regardless

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Speaker 1: of her depression or sadness or desire for attention, whatever

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Speaker 1: it may be, she lied in a police report, lied

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Speaker 1: to detectives, and obstructing justice very quickly.

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Speaker 7: I want to kind of hear it what Cheryl said earlier.

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Speaker 19: You know, she not only took a lot of time

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Speaker 19: from investigators, but you also have to look at it

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Speaker 19: from a media standpoint. We had all hands on deck

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Speaker 19: sharing Carly's story from all over the state. The whole

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Speaker 19: state of Alabama was sharing her story is as well

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Speaker 19: as national headlines. So not that you know she would

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Speaker 19: be responsible for our coverage, but that's just something else

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Speaker 19: to think of when you're talking about all of the

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Speaker 19: resources that were.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the moment I heard the story her about

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Speaker 1: her disappearance, we immediately put it as the lead at

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Speaker 1: crime Online dot Com and put it out on social

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Speaker 1: media over and over and over to get attention and

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Speaker 1: get the tip line out there for people to help

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Speaker 1: find Carly. We contacted people in Alabama involved in the

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Speaker 1: search to try to find out what was happening and

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Speaker 1: how we could help. All the whiles, Cheryl McCollum, there

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Speaker 1: are real victims of real crimes that need our help.

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Speaker 1: I'm not as worried about the media, but I'm more

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Speaker 1: worried about people. I remember working long nights, weekends on

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Speaker 1: Easter on Thanksgiving on my so called vacation with my family,

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Speaker 1: working cases, working, working. If I found out later that

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Speaker 1: the victim was lying, I would be so deflated.

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Speaker 6: Nancy again, the resources that she took from actual victims

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Speaker 6: is astonished. But I tell you what, they need to

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Speaker 6: be concerned about. Who's next. If you do not send

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Speaker 6: a message that we are not going to put up

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Speaker 6: with hoaxes and lies and outright premeditated crime, then what

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Speaker 6: are we doing in the DA's offer.

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Speaker 1: You know, just want people to understand what a search

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Speaker 1: like this entails. Mud rain dirt, long hours twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven, looking worried, dealing with the victims' families who

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Speaker 1: are all distraught. I mean, can you imagine if you

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Speaker 1: thought your child was missing. Mike Hassel, you've been through

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Speaker 1: it all. Mike Cassele, President founder Peace River Catine Search

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Speaker 1: and Rescue, Explain the blood, sweat and tears that goes

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Speaker 1: into a search like this.

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Speaker 12: There's a lot of resources that go into having to

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Speaker 12: keep the people up. You can get a searcher out

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Speaker 12: there that can work for an hour, maybe an hour

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Speaker 12: and a half if you're lucky, but then they're down

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Speaker 12: for two hours because they got to cool off and

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Speaker 12: get raised. Same thing with the dogs. You can get

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Speaker 12: for twenty minutes, and then Zaga has to rest for

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Speaker 12: fifty minutes because he's got a cool down before and

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Speaker 12: go back out. So there's a lot of injuries involved here,

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Speaker 12: snakes and vines and you know all kinds of stuff

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Speaker 12: that goes on that, and especially for volunteers, because you

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Speaker 12: know we volunteer. We go out, we help a law

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Speaker 12: enforcement on these searches, but we have to cover our

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Speaker 12: own expenses and we have to cover our own health insurance,

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Speaker 12: So we get injured, it's on us.

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Speaker 1: Then there is a Chloe Stein and I bring her

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Speaker 1: up because she's about the same age as Carly Russell.

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Speaker 1: She faked in her own abduction. Who does she blame

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Speaker 1: a fake cop? I guess she was running out of

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Speaker 1: people to blame. I want you to take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our cut thirty seven Our friends from WTAA regarding

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Speaker 1: Chloe Stein say.

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Speaker 20: Police say she created an entire scenario to make people

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Speaker 20: think she had been abducted by someone posing as a

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Speaker 20: police officer on our way home from work Monday night.

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Speaker 20: That set off a massive search effort yesterday afternoon, police

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Speaker 20: estimating the entire ordeal costing thousands, not tens of thousands

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Speaker 20: of dollars. Stein was found not far from her home

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Speaker 20: yesterday evening. Police say at first she told them she

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Speaker 20: was abducted, held at gunpoint, and then released eventually. Court

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Speaker 20: documents they client admitted to never being in danger and

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Speaker 20: making the whole thing up.

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Speaker 1: You know, to you, Lee Reebert, what's the best way

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Speaker 1: of finding out where Carly Russell was during those forty

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Speaker 1: nine hours?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I think the important thing if we look at the

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Speaker 14: teeny case, they got a lot of the leads from

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Speaker 14: call records, right they found out that she was calling

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Speaker 14: some friends or some boyfriends and I think in this

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Speaker 14: case too, it might come down to be. I'm sure

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Speaker 14: that they're still going over phone records. We had this

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Speaker 14: whole red red up in who did she call? You know,

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Speaker 14: did she call someone? Was there additional people? They're going

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Speaker 14: to look at them, maybe the phones or the family

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Speaker 14: members of boyfriends. I look at those records to see

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Speaker 14: if any phone numbers from a red rope in or

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Speaker 14: unknown number.

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Speaker 6: Had come in.

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Speaker 14: So I think they're still going to be some investigation

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Speaker 14: into that. And I believe, you know, I would think

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Speaker 14: that they're going to bring someone else in that had

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Speaker 14: knowledge of her disappoint.

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Speaker 1: Well, another kidnapped faker has escaped jail. Her name will

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Speaker 1: live in infamy right beside Jesse Smilette, Sherry Peppini, Jennifer

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Speaker 1: will Banks, that run away bride. They tried to blame

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Speaker 1: a Hispanic team trying to steal her. Long story short,

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Speaker 1: she's a faker and she caused law enforcement a lot

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Speaker 1: of grief, headache, man hours into the night trying to

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Speaker 1: find her. God willing, she does get rehabbed and never

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Speaker 1: ever tells another lie, much less one that costs eighteen

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye, friend, give me