WEBVTT - #589 Packers Unscripted: Draft debrief, part 1 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:10.480 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.640 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.760 trusted colleague Weston hod Kowitz, were coming to you here 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.640 from our studios at lambeau Field and West. The two 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.680 thousand twenty one NFL Draft is in the books. It 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.960 was a busy three days here at six Lombardi Avenue. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.240 There was another story, obviously that dominated a lot of 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.760 the NFL landscape with regard to what is going on 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.320 between the Packers and Aaron Rodgers. And I don't know 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.640 how this is going to work out. What I do 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.160 know is this you and I aren't going to solve 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.720 the problem, So we're not going to spend time talking 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.440 about it. Instead, we're going to talk about the Packers 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.560 draft from this past weekend. Nine selections in all, one 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.200 trade up. As the Packers had gone into the draft 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.840 with ten selections, came out with nine. You did you did? 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:02.920 You nailed? I? I said they would still get ten. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.080 I thought there'd be a trade up and a trade back. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.560 We didn't get the trade back. We got the trade up, 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.280 so they end up with nine. I want to break 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:13.759 this down for today's show. At least into two segments. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.280 The first two days of the draft, the first three rounds, 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.200 and then we'll move on to day three. The first 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.960 couple of days, the Packers get Eric Stokes, the cornerback 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.240 from Georgia, Josh Meyers center from Ohio State, and then 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.720 Amari Rodgers the wide receiver from Clemson. Brian Goudakin's trading 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.280 up seven spots in the third round, surrendering one of 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.360 his fourth round picks in order to get the wide 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.200 receiver from Clemson. What were your thoughts here after the 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.680 first two days, because when we went into this, we 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:47.280 were talking, okay, you know the priority positions offensive line, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.240 defensive line, cornerback, and then kind of right underneath that 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.320 maybe would be wide receiver. Well, out of those four, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.280 the Packers came out of the first two days of 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:59.040 the draft addressing three of those. I think things worked 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.160 out about as well as they could have hoped. Yeah, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.920 the Packers never draft for need. They always say that 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.200 it's not about needs. But I will say after the 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.000 first five rounds, really they hit on all of them. 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.120 They hit on I think every position that you and 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.440 I talked about, maybe with the exception of inside linebacker, 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.520 but as you and I have also talked about, that 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.320 hasn't been a position where they've put a lot of 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.520 draft draft capital in, at least in the last five 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.160 or six years. So that being said, I thought that 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.160 this was exactly what Green Bay needed to do. The 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.239 positions where they didn't necessarily have a pressing need, but 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.680 they wanted more competition. They got competition at with Eric 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.520 Stokes coming in now from Georgia. Guy, It's so funny. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:39.519 For all those years it was always like, oh wow, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.480 he runs like a four or four two or something 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.040 like that. These guys are getting faster and faster and faster. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.040 There's just more people now that are breaking sub for 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.239 threes and it's just like all those pictures in Major 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.920 League Baseball. I can throw ninety eight minur now, like 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.760 every team in Major League Baseball has them. Now every 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:57.919 team in the NFL has these guys that can run 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.320 four three or even sub four three in the forty 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.440 is just the way athletics is going these Yeah, so 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.160 you went you know you had you know Jyry Alexander 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.639 and Darniell Savage, both of those guys were some four 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.080 four guys. Well, now you add Stokes into the equation 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.519 a guy that really I thought came on towards the 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.359 end of his career, uh looked a lot more comfortable, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.120 but can play a number of positions. I think when 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.440 he comes into green Bay now a secondary that returns 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.919 everybody at this point in time other than Raven Green, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.960 there is a great opportunity for him to build into 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.280 that battle, whether it be with Kevin King outside, maybe 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.800 they do some shuffling around with the nickel spot. A 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.680 lot of things to figure out there. Josh Meyers getting 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.040 selected in the second round kind of raised my eyebrow 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.520 a little bit because that's the highest the Packers have 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:45.400 drafted a center in some time. Being able to acquire 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.560 a guy though that also comes from Ohio State that 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.400 also wore number seventy one for Ohio State, I thought 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.400 was a big get for them though. And at six 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.200 ft five Mike, there is some positional versatility there that 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.720 he's not just kind of saddled into one position green 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.040 Bay and again what we will talk about a Mari 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.680 Rodgers at at great length here, but throughout this these 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.440 three days, I just thought that this overall roster came 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.040 out a lot stronger than it was going into it. Yeah, 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:16.640 it the the the Stokes pick is interesting to me 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.599 because we talked a couple of years ago when Brian 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.760 Goodakoints made the big splash and free agency signing the 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:28.080 Smiths signing Turner, signing Adrian Amos, and he talked about, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.920 you know, the reason the Packers made the investment they 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.320 did in those players is because they felt those were 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.920 players on the rise. With the arrow pointing up right. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.640 Eric Stokes is exactly that type of draft pick because 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.920 you look, you look at his college career, it's like 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.320 the speed was there, the cover ability was there. You 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.359 see these stats that he's breaking up a bunch of 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.320 passes and then but he doesn't have any interceptions. Then 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.320 what does he do is last year at Georgia, in 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.400 ten games, only ten games, picks off four passes, returns 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.000 two of them for touchdowns. Suddenly it's like, here's where 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.440 the arrow is pointing up right, and that's the guy 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.920 that Brian Goodacunts wanted to jump on. Now, a lot 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.720 of analysts said you could, you could get Eric Stokes 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.920 in the second round, maybe even late in the second round. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.840 He was the guy that analysts are saying, well, that 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.159 was like a reach like late in the first round. Well, 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.600 we'll see, because you know, again, it's it's about the projection. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:22.839 It's about the crystal ball. It's not about what the 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.479 guy has done, but it's where they project him to 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.400 be headed. And Brian Goodakun sees Eric Stokes as another 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.720 Jairo Alexander type that can be a big time cornerback 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.960 in this league for a long time. Yeah, And sometimes, 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.960 like there is something to be said for if you 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.040 have a guy and he's your guy, to go get 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.880 the guy, to get the player. I love that story 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.600 that Brian Goods told Ted Thompson when they traded back 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.800 into the first round to get Clay Matthews and what 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.719 this is in relation to the trade with the Marie Rogers. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.400 But you know him saying, I want the player, I 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.120 want the player. It happens that way. Sometimes it's not 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.080 that your overdraft him that that's what the Packers board read. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.800 He obviously had a first round grade or darn your 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.560 close to it. For green Bay to feel comfortable staying 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.400 there and drafting that guy, and again for the green 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.839 Bay Packers to be able to add to that secondary 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.560 I think is really big. There were a lot of 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.159 strides that they made last year, but there were some 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.520 hiccups along the way too. To me, I looked at 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.320 this draft is sort of a finishing time for this defense. Okay, 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.240 this is We're going to give you a couple more 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.440 pieces here that we feel like we need to instill 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.359 here to be able to make the defense make another stop. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.599 Because because the rest of the band has been held together, 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.440 there were contract restructures this and that, you know, to 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.039 fit under the salary cap in and to keep the 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.560 unit together. You have a new coordinator now who's going 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.120 to be running things, but for the most part, you're 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.640 gonna have the same cast of characters on the field. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.680 And to throw Stokes in that room now, he said 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.719 he's watched a lot of Jaire Alexander film, respects his 0:06:54.800 --> 0:07:00.640 game and that who wouldn't exactly. But I mean, but 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.800 that also shows you, Mike, how far this thing has gone. 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.920 I mean, it was only three short years ago that 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.640 Jaire Alexander was the eighteenth overall pick and everybody's kind 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.160 of wondering, Okay, who is this kid? Is he too small? 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.120 Is he is he going to be able to compete 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.040 with receivers at this level? And then here we are 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.240 aged twenty four and the guys arguably the best in 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:21.640 the game. Now, yeah, well, in the second round, you 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.880 couldn't have almost what could turn out to be the 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.200 most serendipitous pick of of the draft for the Packers. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.640 The Green Bay loses Corey Linsley in free agency, longtime 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.720 center here drafted out of Ohio State back in the 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.680 fifth round. So here comes Josh Meyers, center from Ohio 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.360 State and lo and behold war number seventy one for 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.920 the buck Eyes, just as Corey Linsley did back in 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.040 his day. Now, I don't know if Josh Myers is 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.760 going to be a starting center for the Green Bay Packers, 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.840 in it sure sounds like he's going to be given 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.960 an opportunity to compete for that job. Obviously, Lucas Patrick 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.520 is in that mix. Patrick can also play are Elton 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.880 Jenkins is in that mix. Jenkins can play anywhere across 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.520 the line. Myers can also play center or guard. And 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.720 you talk, as we mentioned before, about the athletes and 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.200 where things are going. I don't know if we've ever 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.000 talked about a six ft five center guard, but yet 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.480 we're starting to see that more in the NFL now 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.120 to centers and guards are not. They're not the Scottie 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.400 wells Is, you know, the six ft you know, more 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.840 of the squatty like wrestler types. That's not necessarily who's 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.160 playing center and guard in the NFL anymore. No, I 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.280 think I think Seattle was actually the one I want 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.599 to make sure I give the right credit there that 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.360 sort of opened the Pandora's box, the forbidden door, if 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.960 you will, to taller uh centers. I think it was. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.199 It was a Justin britt Yeah, I think Britt Yeah. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.440 And he was six six or six five at least, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.679 and you end up being a very serviceable guy for 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.360 them for a number of years. As I mentioned with Myers, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.800 what's intriguing about him, There's a couple of things to 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.560 a one. I love the tenacity. I love the fact 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.520 this is this is a guy that got turf toe 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.800 injury in the Big Ten Championship game, kept playing through 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.240 it and again. Turf toe injury is difficult for anybody, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.559 just asked Davante Adams. But when you're anchoring game after game, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.120 snap after snap, you're not coming off the field. You're 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.559 at that access point in the offensive line. He felt 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.280 his goal. The reason he chose to go to a 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.640 house states. He wanted to win a national championship. He 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.400 was that close to it. He wasn't going to let 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.040 that take a mouth so probably aggravated it in the semifinals, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.840 didn't do himself any favors in the National Championship game, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.400 and ultimately had to have surgery. But to be able 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.360 to push through that, I think says a lot about 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.079 the man. And obviously the Packers felt good enough to 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.079 draft him. They cleared him second round pick. That's a 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.559 big pick to use on a center. But furthermore, you know, 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.960 and we'll talk about this probably on later shows, but 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.599 Green Bay ended up going with three offensive linemen in 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.240 this draft. They took three offensive lineman last draft. You 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.520 don't know when you're gonna get David Botr back. Maybe 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.800 he's back week one time will tell you know. You 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.880 already lost an all Pro center, and you lost a 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.520 really important veteran piece in Lane Taylor, who was a 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.840 starter one into last season. So Green Bay had to 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.240 give themselves options and Mike pound for pound, just looking 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.480 at it on paper, now, I'm not saying it's it's 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.160 the most credential offensive line the green Bay Packers have had, 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.880 but one through ten. Now, there's a lot of investment 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.760 that they've made here and it starts with Myers in 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.520 the second round. Yeah. Absolutely that We'll talk about some 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.240 of the other um draft picks as well, But the 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.600 Packers drafted three offensive linemen in this draft, three in 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:30.240 the last draft. Three offensive linemen amongst the undrafted rookies. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.200 That that will be coming into Green Bay as well. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:38.319 So that the position competition on the offensive line come 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.760 this summer, in training camp, in the preseason games for 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.200 the roster spots, practice squad playing time, like all that 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.720 is really going to be interesting. I you mentioned, obviously 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.320 the injury with Myers and how he toughed it out 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.280 through the end of the season, and that's actually when 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.800 I wrote the story on him on Friday night, the 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.679 full length story on our website. I kind of focused 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:04.120 on that. It It's something that struck me in the moment, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.280 just because in terms of doing all the draft research, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.680 and not just this year, but over the last couple 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.760 of years, you always hear about these guys that they 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.079 sit out, they sit out their team's bowl game and 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.079 this and that, and I'm not being critical. I mean, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.359 guys are going to make their make their own decisions 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.600 for what they think is most important for their future. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.200 And as we went through the COVID season, you had 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.360 a lot of players in college football opted out and 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.880 didn't play. And everybody has their reasons for doing that. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.800 I get that, but what Myers did just really struck 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.920 me because he knew he was potentially a you know, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.160 top fifty, top seventy five potential pick in this NFL draft, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.360 and he kind of put all that aside for his team, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.040 you know, to try to go for a national championship. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.280 And when he got hurt in the Big Ten championship game, 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.600 he didn't say, no, that's it, I gotta shut it down. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.520 I'm getting drafted in a few months, you know, I've 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.320 I've got to get ready to move on. It's like, no, 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.080 that wasn't That wasn't his approach. I just think that 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.400 says a lot about his personality, because not everybody in 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.040 that situation. I don't care if you play for Alabama, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.320 Clemson or Ohio State or who you play for. Not 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.720 everybody in that situation, with that significant an injury and 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.800 with the draft coming up in just a few months, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.720 would have would have made that call. And he's a. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.160 He's a guy that I'm really anxious eager to to 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.040 get to meet and really get a sense of what 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:22.400 he's like and get to know a little bit more 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.880 about him, because unfortunately, because of that, he didn't test 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.760 at the pro day at Ohio States, so we really 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.080 don't know, you know, benchmarks are those type of things 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.040 where he stands. But but certainly he did talk about, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.679 you know, he knows Corey Linsley a little bit. Corey 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.160 had a little bit of fun with him on Twitter 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.560 as well, mentioning that you know, obviously that lineage of 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.920 centers at Ohio State, but you could listen to Matt 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.120 MoU Speed, I mean just how highly he spoke of 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.720 that program, the way the develop offensive lineman. They hope 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.480 that Josh Meyers is the next good one coming out 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.840 of the Buckeyes. Yeah. Well, in the third round, the 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.920 Packers get Amari Rodgers, the wide receiver from Clemson. And 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.560 one thing we know about how this went down is 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:05.080 Brian Gouda Kunst was bound and determined to trade up 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.160 in the third round to get a Mari Rodgers because 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.400 he actually and he doesn't always do this, but Friday evening, 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.439 after the second and third rounds of the draft who 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.520 completed and Brian Gudacunt's addressed the media. He actually said 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.520 in the second round he was choosing between Josh Meyers 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.880 and Marie Rogers. That was the choice he was making. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.200 At the end of the second round, they chose Myers, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.040 they bring in the offensive lineman, and then all he 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.280 wanted to do in the third round was find a 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.160 way to trade up and get a Mari Rodgers. He 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.160 did not want to lose this guy, and Um sounded 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.319 like there were a handful of potential trades that fell through. 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.200 Um eventually makes a trade with Tennessee to be able 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.800 to move up seven spots from number ninety two up 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.320 to number eighty five and get the wide receiver from Clemson, 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.480 and uh, this is going to be an interesting piece 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:59.640 added to Matt Lafleur's very creative offense. Most intriguing prospect. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.920 I think that Brian Goodcins is drafted to date on 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.520 the offensive side the ball. Now, Packers have had a 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.440 type here for a number of years with the type 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.160 of receivers that they look for. When you look at 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.520 Alan Lazard and Marcus Veldes Scantling, there's a big difference 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.240 between those two guys and between a guy like Randall 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.680 Cobb that obviously had as much success that he had here, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.240 they've gone bigger, they've gone length here, but this is 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.600 a little bit of a throwback. But as Goodkin said, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.040 this guy isn't small. He might only be in that 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.920 five five eleven range, but a tuner and twenty pound 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.720 two and twelve pounds carries his body well and has 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.600 some good length to him. But Mike, what did I say? 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.080 I said it an inbox, I said it on this show. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.640 Everything that I was talking about going into this draft, 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.120 we are going to learn a lot about what the 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:51.200 Packers commitment is to having that jet sweep, gadget type receiver, 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.680 running back, whatever whatever you want to call them in 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.400 this offense. In a year after they go and take 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.520 Josiah Deguara, who I mean, raise some eyebrows, but you know, 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.600 a multifaceted Swiss army knife type of offensive tool player 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.160 in the third round. This year, in the third round 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.320 they get another one of those guys, although in a 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.560 different form. I'm so excited about Rogers. The more I 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.840 learned about him, the more I hear about him out 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.400 of Clemson. I mean this guy is absolutely beloved. Uh, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.800 he's an intriguing guy from an athletic standpoint that in 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.000 and of itself, but then when you listen to his 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.720 backstory and who his father is Team Martin national champion 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.680 at Tennessee, you learn about the ways that Clemson used him, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.840 the team leader that he was. The first two words 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.560 in his bio on Clemson's website consummate professional, sky brings 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.880 it all, And I know he left a really positive 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.920 first impression on the Packers brass and that's why they 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.000 felt comfortable enough to go up and get him. Yeah, 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.200 what really struck me about this pick not just the 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.040 trade up and and the stories that Gouda Kuntz told 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.080 afterwards about how determined he was to make that move 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.880 and get this guy, but all leading up to the draft, 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:00.360 we were hearing about, you know, these speedy slot receiver types. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.240 In this draft was really deep in those type of guys, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.720 and there were a whole bunch of them out there 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.600 that you know, we're between the hundred and seventy and 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.680 hundred eighty five pounds, you know, the not just the 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.400 short but smaller guys, and the Packers decided to go 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.800 the route of that type of guy who can who 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.440 can run like that, but as Gouda Kunst himself said, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.680 is kind of built like a running back at at 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.760 you know, five ten to twelve. And I just think 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.360 that's a that that's an interesting decision on the part 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.200 of the Packers because there were a whole bunch of 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.640 wide receivers taken before Mari Rodgers who are not two 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.120 hundred and twelve pounds, and they were they were the 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.520 not just the shorter but the smaller guys. And um, 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.000 but in terms of you know, playing in the NFC North, 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.800 playing in the cold weather in the wintertime, and then 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:54.720 the way the Packers want to use, you know, use 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.280 a guy like this in all these different facets of 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:01.320 the offense, the jet sweeps, the slow even on the outside, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.000 whatever the role might be. They wanted somebody who's they 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.280 really feel is going to hold up over the course 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.840 of seventeen games, and that's why they went and got 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.439 the five ten guy who's two twelve pounds, not somebody 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.160 who's won seventy five. Yeah, and I just I think 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.600 it's the perfect time for that type of player. I mean, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.800 with all due respect Tyler Irvin, and also with you know, 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.080 Tivan Austin coming in last season. Both of those guys 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.000 were on the smaller end of that spectrum explosive athletes, 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.399 and I think Irvin had a great run here in 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.800 Green Bay. He obviously is a free agent now, but 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.440 got banged up with the wrist and with the knee 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:39.000 and whatnot. Then you look at Austin comes in late 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.040 in the season, and it was trying to figure out 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.919 a way to get him in there. I think what 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.359 we learned from that is that the Packers have to 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:49.639 have a player that is drafted and developed and really 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.760 solidified in that role. Into me, again, this is just 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.800 from the outside looking, but considering there are no other 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.840 body types like him on the roster right now, this 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.280 move screams that. To me, this screams a commit into 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.199 that understanding the dimension that brought to the offense and 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.719 how dynamic that potentially, you know, Rogers could be in 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.200 that role. Yeah, it feels like it feels like there's 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.159 this section of if you know, I know, playbooks these 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.600 days are digital and all that, but if you look 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.280 at you know, the old big binder, you know playbook, 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.680 it feels like there's this section of the of Matt 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.439 Lafleur's playbook that just kind of got a key stuck 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.679 into it and opened up with a guy like this 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.920 coming on board, and we'll see, we'll see where where 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.640 things go from there. Quickly, the West before I forget serious, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.560 x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.879 to them in AE NFL News that true football fanatics 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.600 need twenty four seven three And if I can close 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.719 down that point as well. The other thing I like 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.800 about this move and the fact that you drafted AJ 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.080 Dillon last year too, The doors are wide open on 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.960 Aaron Jones. Now how you want to utilize them? Where 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:54.760 you want to line him up. They had to have 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:56.880 him do some of the jet motion stuff late last 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.840 season that really you want to get the ball in 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.680 his hands. You don't want him to be a this direction. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.480 You have the two back sets. I just I think 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.240 the opportunities are just going to be in the possibilities 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.880 are going to be endless with Aaron Jones. Well, we'll 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.480 spend the bulk of our next show going through Day 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.719 three of the draft, but before we go on this one, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.480 I just have to ask you, as the biport graduate, 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.240 I need your best I need your best Cole Van 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:24.400 Landing story. You covered this young gentleman as a high 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.560 school athlete for the bi Port Pirates in multiple sports, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.200 and the Packers obviously make the make the phone call 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.520 just a ten minute drive up the road to Cole 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.760 Van Landon's house and draft the local boy in the 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:44.120 sixth round. Um, just quickly your favorite Cole Van Landing 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:45.760 story and we'll maybe get two more of them on 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.840 our next Yeah. You know what I love about Cole 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:49.680