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Speaker 1: stat of the Day, all that forthcoming, Paul, He's going
Speaker 1: to do the honors with the pole question today with
Speaker 1: Fritzie being at home, and we start off with the
Speaker 1: LA Lakers came into this year as a favor to
Speaker 1: compete for the title, and why not you got superstars
Speaker 1: like Lebron and Anthony Davis. You traded for Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: Junior the third, and that trade came with a lot
Speaker 1: of scrutiny. I didn't like it. I sort of understand
Speaker 1: that I was trying to understand what they were doing
Speaker 1: during the regular season, and that is Westbrook is going
Speaker 1: to be able to take a little bit of the
Speaker 1: workload off Lebron's shoulders. Well, that hasn't been the case.
Speaker 1: Westbrook's an explosive athlete, but he's limited, below average shooter.
Speaker 1: He's a turnover waiting to happen. He went two for
Speaker 1: fourteen last night, eight points, and the Lakers lost at
Speaker 1: home to the Kings. And Lebron has been unbelievable. He's
Speaker 1: been shouldering the load because Anthony Davis isn't there. He
Speaker 1: had thirty four points, he had six assists. He's at
Speaker 1: age thirty seven, averaging more points today than he did
Speaker 1: when he was twenty seven years of age. But that
Speaker 1: longevity is being wasted right now. The Lakers are eight
Speaker 1: in the West. Anthony Davis can't stay healthy. Westbrook. The
Speaker 1: trade hasn't worked out. The good news for la as
Speaker 1: Lebron isn't slowing down, but the bad news is how
Speaker 1: long can he continue to do this at this pace?
Speaker 1: And really what is the endgame here? Lebron has scored
Speaker 1: thirty or more in eleven of his last twelve games,
Speaker 1: but the Lakers are ten and nine this season when
Speaker 1: he scores thirty or more, and you have to go
Speaker 1: back to two thousand and seven when he did that,
Speaker 1: when he had that many losses. That's when he was
Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Cavaliers. But watching last night, it's not
Speaker 1: going to get any better with Russell Westbrook. That's just
Speaker 1: who he is. And then, you know, we always look
Speaker 1: at a trade from one side. We always like, well,
Speaker 1: who were the Lakers going to get if they trade
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook? Okay, who wants Russell Westbrook? That's really what
Speaker 1: the that's the question that needs to be answered the Lakers.
Speaker 1: If they can unload Russell Westbrook and get a shooter,
Speaker 1: somebody who is a little bit more of a pure
Speaker 1: point guard, I'm sure they would gladly do it. But
Speaker 1: these salaries are so crazy. It's like trying to trade
Speaker 1: Tobias Harris. You know, Ben Simmons, who wants those salaries?
Speaker 1: And you still have that drama attached to Ben Simmons,
Speaker 1: you know, is anybody gonna want him? And I don't
Speaker 1: know if anybody's asked how is his mental health? Like,
Speaker 1: is he going through therapy? He's not playing basketball. I
Speaker 1: just want to know why, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's been an update there, because if he gets traded,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he's probably going to be mentally ready to
Speaker 1: play for whoever trades for him. But if you're not practicing,
Speaker 1: you're not playing. Nobody wants to give you a king's
Speaker 1: ransom for Ben Simmons. And even then if you trade
Speaker 1: for him, I don't even know what you're getting. And
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for an update on Ben Simmons on
Speaker 1: just can he play? Does he want to play? Because
Speaker 1: if I'm going to trade for him, I need to
Speaker 1: know these things. Yeah, pull remember when the season started.
Speaker 1: I remember we did a show in October and we
Speaker 1: talked about the current Lakers roster and the way it's built.
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook can definitely play a lot of minutes. He's
Speaker 1: always a top minutes guy. And Anthony Davis would coming
Speaker 1: into the season air quotes healthy and we said this
Speaker 1: is great for Lebron. He could pace himself. He won't
Speaker 1: have to be the focal point. Russell Westbrook could handle
Speaker 1: the regular season and Anthony Davis and Lebron could do
Speaker 1: his thing in the playoffs, and it's turned out to
Speaker 1: be the exact opposite there. I think their record is,
Speaker 1: are they five hundred, twenty one, twenty one? I just
Speaker 1: know they're eight seed in the West. Yeah, they need
Speaker 1: Lebron to play a lot. Now, imagine if he wasn't
Speaker 1: playing at this level. Yeah, or pacing himself. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be pretty. Here's Lebron James talking about the
Speaker 1: lost last night and the season. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: trying to you know, jockey for positioning or you know,
Speaker 1: garats of playoffs, you want to be in your stride
Speaker 1: at the white time. So, um, you know, we have
Speaker 1: forty two games now and uh forty left, and we
Speaker 1: want to see what we made. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's definitely been our roller coaster so far. Here's the
Speaker 1: Lakers head coach, Frank Vogel talking about Russell Westbrook. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're working with Russ. He's you know, he's receiving
Speaker 1: our coaching and just trying to put him in positions
Speaker 1: to succeed. And you know he's you know, he's just
Speaker 1: in a slump right now, you know, finish at the basketball,
Speaker 1: shooting from the perimeter, and we's goin to stay with
Speaker 1: it and help him through it. I don't think I
Speaker 1: labeled this as slump unless you say it's a ten
Speaker 1: year slump because he's not a good shooter. He's a scorer,
Speaker 1: he can't shoot a big difference. He's a wonderful all
Speaker 1: around talent. But how many meaningful games does he win?
Speaker 1: And I think that's really the key with that style
Speaker 1: that while he does give you that energy, he giveth
Speaker 1: and take it away. There was also another story. You know,
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets look good. You know he had all
Speaker 1: three on the floor. Yeah again, Brooklyn Nets look good
Speaker 1: as they beat the Chicago Bulls. But what stood out
Speaker 1: was his story in the New York Daily News yesterday
Speaker 1: Stephen Bondi covers the NBA. He said the Nets could
Speaker 1: use a loophole here that would allow Kyrie Irving to
Speaker 1: play during home games. Now, the former mayor of New
Speaker 1: York City, Build A. Blasio, had key to New York
Speaker 1: City Executive Order which that was preventing the unvaccinated Kyrie
Speaker 1: Irving from playing home games. The executive order lists certain
Speaker 1: penalties for non compliance. Well, guess what the penalties are
Speaker 1: for non compliance? First defense, you get a warning. Second
Speaker 1: offense one thousand dollars fine, Third offense two thousand dollars fine. Now,
Speaker 1: once again, you're doing this as if it's just a
Speaker 1: regular citizen in New York City, not a guy who's
Speaker 1: making forty million dollars a year. Fourth offense is five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Fifth offense five thousand dollars, and then after
Speaker 1: that it's just five thousand dollars. Wouldn't you say, will
Speaker 1: pay the fine for Kyrie to play home games? I'm
Speaker 1: going to guess the Nets knew this. The Nets have
Speaker 1: twenty home games left. Let's say you have a maximum
Speaker 1: of sixteen playoff games. Sixteen more in the playoffs. If
Speaker 1: the Nets advanced to the finals have home court advantage
Speaker 1: in every single round, each series goes all seven games,
Speaker 1: that will equate to one hundred and seventy three thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in fines at the most. It's a hell of
Speaker 1: an investment. Stat of the day, stat of the day,
Speaker 1: that best stat of the day stat of the day
Speaker 1: here comes that what stat of the day? And Stephen
Speaker 1: Bondi goes on to write in the New York Daily News, Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: having presumably done plenty of due diligence on the Kyrie situation,
Speaker 1: most likely knew about the loophole before the season even began.
Speaker 1: Well that's the case, then, why don't you just say
Speaker 1: we're gonna pay the fine? You pay a couple hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And I don't know if the NBA, or
Speaker 1: maybe out of principle that the Nets are saying, look,
Speaker 1: we want to be fair to the city. We don't
Speaker 1: want to kind of rub their nose in it look
Speaker 1: the other way. But that might be what you're going
Speaker 1: to do with Kybrie. Irving that all right, cost you
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Suit up, I'd pay it. If I'm
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets. I'm looking the money you're paying for
Speaker 1: him not to play? Why not just pay five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars more and I'm gonna get my money's worth out
Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, Paul, is he the highest paid non
Speaker 1: playing athlete? DeShawn Watson's got to be up there, not
Speaker 1: athletes who don't really play their sport. Up until a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, Kyrie Deshaun Watson's gotta be making
Speaker 1: thirty million to not play this year twenty five, Well,
Speaker 1: what's Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons got to be in the
Speaker 1: thirty million category, thirty five play. I think Deshaun is
Speaker 1: up there as well. He has to be over thirty million, yeah,
Speaker 1: not play. Yeah, but Kyrie's I think Kyrie is probably
Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars. I got de Shawn at thirty five. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's just a loophole, just just a factor in
Speaker 1: second half of the season. If you're the Nets, can
Speaker 1: you do this and basically say to the City of
Speaker 1: New York, Hey, we're gonna pay the fine, but he's
Speaker 1: going to be playing in these games. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the NBA would do, but that loophole is there.
Speaker 1: And he was in the New York Daily News. Stephan BONDI,
Speaker 1: you know Ben simm Is at thirty three. Oh, he's
Speaker 1: only a thirty three million marga for not playing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to play at home. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to play at home. Kyrie would love to be able
Speaker 1: to play at home. Ben wants to play all of
Speaker 1: his games on the road as well. What poll questions
Speaker 1: do you have today, Paul, Okay, I have an actual
Speaker 1: poll question, but here's the snarky one we got from
Speaker 1: the back room that I'm very proud of those guys
Speaker 1: coming up with. Wow. Which supporting cast right now would
Speaker 1: give Lebron the best chance to win another title, the
Speaker 1: Lakers supporting cast or the Cleveland Cavalier supporting cast. Wow.
Speaker 1: The Lakers are five hundred, the Calves are twenty four
Speaker 1: and eighteen, and the Cavaliers had the best win margin
Speaker 1: percent in the East. They're winning their games by five
Speaker 1: points a game. The Cavaliers are a quality team. I
Speaker 1: think I could say that, Yeah, I told you that
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Your Calves, Yeah, very good team,
Speaker 1: interesting team, young team. But I was watching last night
Speaker 1: and you start to think about the you know, Brandon
Speaker 1: ingram A, Lonzo Ball, Julius randall these players who were
Speaker 1: with the Lakers, and then they wanted to cash in
Speaker 1: on those younger players. They wanted to bring in Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1: If you said to Lebron, now, you wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: a title perhaps with you know that group and not
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. But if you said to Lebron, hey, you
Speaker 1: want the younger guys here that you didn't want, because
Speaker 1: those guys would be very helpful for Lebron right now.
Speaker 1: And if it means you don't have Russell Westbrook and
Speaker 1: you don't have Anthony Davis, but you have the rest
Speaker 1: of that group, I'm sure Lebron would sign up for that. Yes, Paul,
Speaker 1: I'm calling my shot here. Bronnie James gets drafted by
Speaker 1: the Cleveland team. Right I don't know where he's gonna
Speaker 1: be drafted, but when he gets done with college or
Speaker 1: whatever he's gonna do, Bronnie James goes to Cleveland, they
Speaker 1: draft him, and Lebron finishes his career on a one
Speaker 1: year contract to play with son in Cleveland. Um, he
Speaker 1: doesn't like that owner hells his son though, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he I didn't like that owner. He could buy the team,
Speaker 1: play one year player coach owner GM all four slash
Speaker 1: and his son is the small forward. If he loves
Speaker 1: his son, he's not lettinghim play there. Yeah, I retract
Speaker 1: my stavid. Um. I could see Lebron the last year
Speaker 1: of his NBA career with a team that he would
Speaker 1: eventually then become a part owner of that that I
Speaker 1: think would be a bigger picture where you could see, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'll come to the pistons. Let me be a part
Speaker 1: owner here. I want to play one year with my
Speaker 1: son and then I'll go into the front office. That's
Speaker 1: that's sort of the scenario that I see. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll settle on a pole question here coming up, by
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Speaker 1: on a poll question, got a play of the day
Speaker 1: coming up? Another stat of the day as well, judging
Speaker 1: by your reaction on Twitter. A little surprise with the
Speaker 1: loophole there with Kyrie Irving going to cost him or
Speaker 1: the team five thousand dollars after his fifth offense if
Speaker 1: he plays in a home game you're already paying him,
Speaker 1: might not pay the five thousand dollars you get him
Speaker 1: to play, and that could lead to a real, real
Speaker 1: dangerous Nets team here in the second half of the season.
Speaker 1: All Right, if you got poll question, we'll bring in
Speaker 1: Mike Florio. Yeah, Dan, Our one pole question, the AFC
Speaker 1: underdog that wins this weekend. Okay, So the Bengals are
Speaker 1: five and a half point favorite on the Raiders, the
Speaker 1: Bills are four point favorite on the Patriots, and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs big favorite twelve and a half on the Steelers.
Speaker 1: That's a first Our pole underdog that wins this weekend.
Speaker 1: The underdog that wins this weekend, not has the best
Speaker 1: chance to win, that will win, That will win because
Speaker 1: Ben has already said we have no chance to beat
Speaker 1: Kansas City I like how the headline makes it seem like, Ben,
Speaker 1: we have no chance. It's all tongue in cheek there
Speaker 1: with Ben. Yeah, yeah, we got no chance. He did
Speaker 1: the old eye roll there and like, yeah, you might
Speaker 1: not have any chance. But I'm not buying how he's saved.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Kansas City Chiefs are going? Ben
Speaker 1: doesn't think they have any chance to win. Boy, this
Speaker 1: will be really easy. That ain't gonna happen here. Mike Florio,
Speaker 1: popular co host or Pro Football Talk Live. He joins
Speaker 1: us on the program. Let me start with the poll
Speaker 1: question the underdog best chance to win in the AFC.
Speaker 1: I think it's the Patriots. Bill Belichick's single elimination all
Speaker 1: those playoff games he's coached over the years. And it
Speaker 1: has to be a record that the Bills and the
Speaker 1: Patriots for two teams to get together three times in
Speaker 1: forty days. They had two late regular season games. Patriots
Speaker 1: won in Buffalo on a cold and windy night. Now
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be as windy, and even if it is,
Speaker 1: I think the Bills have figured out they need to
Speaker 1: unleash Josh Allen. It's not going to be easy for
Speaker 1: the Patriots. But it's hard not to trust Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: If you give me those three options and you say
Speaker 1: which one wins, and we know that home teams have
Speaker 1: been winning games like never before, I'd have to go
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. All the votes are in for all
Speaker 1: the honors, Coach of the Year, MVP, all of that's
Speaker 1: been tabulated here. Who's your Coach of the Year. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't have one of the votes, so we do
Speaker 1: our own awards and at PFT I consulted with my
Speaker 1: staff and I'm not being sarcastic because I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: which way I was going to go with Coach of
Speaker 1: the Year, but they persuaded me that it should be
Speaker 1: Mike Gravel. And when you consider that they set a
Speaker 1: record in Week twelve, they set the record for the
Speaker 1: number of total players used, They didn't have Dereck Henry,
Speaker 1: the best player on their team for more than half
Speaker 1: of the season, and they still got the number one
Speaker 1: seed in a top heavy AFC. You know, I was
Speaker 1: thinking Matt Lafleur until we really sat down and talked
Speaker 1: it through, and Rich Besacci, what he did was so special.
Speaker 1: But it's a tough year. But I think vrabel By
Speaker 1: a nose over Lafleur. Yeah, I was wondering about Belichick
Speaker 1: with it was like last year he did one of
Speaker 1: his best coaching jobs. This year, I expected them to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. But I don't know, how do you
Speaker 1: differentiate when you're the greatest coach of all time? It's
Speaker 1: like Chuck Noll, I don't think everyone coach of the year.
Speaker 1: You know, the great coaches are the guys who are
Speaker 1: really successful normally don't win Coach of the Year. Why
Speaker 1: is that, Well, because the Coach of the Year is
Speaker 1: kind of loosely determined by how far you exceed the
Speaker 1: expectations that were loosely out there going into the season.
Speaker 1: So if there's a team that's just supposed to be
Speaker 1: complete and total crap and they make the playoffs, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that coach is a viable candidate for
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year. The bar is always high for
Speaker 1: the Patriots, So it's very difficult for Bill Belichick to
Speaker 1: exceed that bar high enough that it stands out over
Speaker 1: somebody who takes a team from worst to first, like
Speaker 1: a Zach Taylor, who should get some consideration, or a
Speaker 1: Vrabel who did something special with his best player but
Speaker 1: you know, Dan, we also do executive a year that's
Speaker 1: not one of the official Associated Press NFL awards. Sporting News,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, is still the officially recognized executive of
Speaker 1: the year. That's the one that people pay attention to.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't even think they still
Speaker 1: make Sporting News, But that's another issue altogether. We made
Speaker 1: Belichick our Executive of the Year because it's always hand
Speaker 1: in hand. What Belichick does as an executive either makes
Speaker 1: it harder or easier for him as a coach. This year,
Speaker 1: what they did going all in, spending all that money
Speaker 1: when they had the cap space that they had carefully
Speaker 1: built in a year where other teams weren't as competitive
Speaker 1: because of the drop in the salary cap due to
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and they got mac Jones when maybe the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers really did want him with the third
Speaker 1: overall pick, and they ultimately didn't take him, and it
Speaker 1: just worked out well that they have the talent they
Speaker 1: need to be as competitive as they were. So he's
Speaker 1: Executive of the Year and not Coach of the Year,
Speaker 1: but Executive of the year. Who's worst executive of the year. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Dave Gettim has already been fired, although
Speaker 1: although you know, the reality is and I think one
Speaker 1: of the things we learn every year at this time,
Speaker 1: as the bad teams dump coaches and general managers and
Speaker 1: they make their owners available to speak to the media,
Speaker 1: you start to get an idea of why bad teams
Speaker 1: stay bad and why they can't get out of their
Speaker 1: own way. I got some strong feelings about the Giants,
Speaker 1: for example, and I think the Mayor family is way
Speaker 1: too involved in the management of that team from a
Speaker 1: personnel standpoint, and they're so involved that they don't even
Speaker 1: realize how involved they are. But there's a reason this
Speaker 1: team has been to the playoffs once in the last decade.
Speaker 1: There's a reason this team has one yeah, yeah, one
Speaker 1: playoff appears, no playoff victory since their last Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1: It's stunning how far they've fallen. And I feel like
Speaker 1: they're in quicksand, and the harder they try to get out,
Speaker 1: the deeper they sink. And I think at this point,
Speaker 1: I got the vibe from the mayor press conference yesterday,
Speaker 1: I don't think they know what to do. Now. They're
Speaker 1: not going to admit that, but just I don't think
Speaker 1: they know what to do, and unless they're willing to
Speaker 1: completely step aside from the personnel side of the giants,
Speaker 1: I don't know that a general manager who has real
Speaker 1: options should want to go step into that job. Well,
Speaker 1: they fired Joe Judge, which they had to do. I
Speaker 1: was told that on Monday that if you don't fire
Speaker 1: Joe Judge, you're going to limit the number of candidates
Speaker 1: to become a general manager there. But I look at
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross in Miami, it doesn't feel like he knows
Speaker 1: what he's doing. You have the Bears, the mccowski family,
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like they know what they're doing right now,
Speaker 1: and for different reasons, for different reasons. With Ross, this
Speaker 1: is very simple and there's a sweet spot. I'm not
Speaker 1: big into owners meddling into what their team does, unless
Speaker 1: you're going to give yourself the title like Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: did thirty two years ago and thirty two years later
Speaker 1: he's the general manager of the team. But I think
Speaker 1: the owner needs to live and work in the facility,
Speaker 1: in the building, in the town where his team is.
Speaker 1: You need to have that presence every day. The owners
Speaker 1: in the building Robert Kraft and Robert Kraft isn't meddling
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, but his base of operations is Gilette Stadium.
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to buy an NFL team,
Speaker 1: you need to make that commitment that where the team
Speaker 1: does business, you do your business. You need to be
Speaker 1: there because when Steven Ross barnstorm's in and he's watching
Speaker 1: a game in the luxury suite and he's got people
Speaker 1: from the front office whispering to him, and the coach
Speaker 1: can't defend himself, and there's any type of dysfunction in
Speaker 1: the organization when the boss isn't there, who's getting thrown
Speaker 1: under the bus. It's the guy who doesn't have a
Speaker 1: voice whispering into the boss is here the one day
Speaker 1: a week that he happens to be in town. And
Speaker 1: with the Bears it's a different issue all together. But
Speaker 1: with Stephen Ross, he should either commit to that team completely,
Speaker 1: move to South Florida, show up every day, or just
Speaker 1: sell the team to someone who will. He's Mike Florio
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk Live co host with Chris Simms. The
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor situation. It seems like he's enjoying this because
Speaker 1: it felt like last year he was holding on for
Speaker 1: dear life. Take a pay cut. Now all of a sudden, Hey,
Speaker 1: you got blown out by Georgia, But so what you know?
Speaker 1: Now you've got teams reportedly interested in him. Has anybody
Speaker 1: interviewed Jim Harball yet? In the NFL, those types of
Speaker 1: interviews can happen without anyone knowing. The reason that we
Speaker 1: see these reports over and over again this week that
Speaker 1: the Vikings requested permission to speak to this person. That
Speaker 1: bears requests of permission to speak to that person. If
Speaker 1: it's somebody who's currently employed by one of the other teams,
Speaker 1: there's a piece of paper that makes it to the
Speaker 1: league office that then gets leaked to reporters they have
Speaker 1: on the payroll or others that this interview is going
Speaker 1: to happen. If it's not somebody who's currently employed by
Speaker 1: another team, there's no obligation to let it be known
Speaker 1: to the league office that you're talking to these people.
Speaker 1: You keep your internal records. You need to be able
Speaker 1: to show that you did a proper search. But you know,
Speaker 1: somebody gave me the idea over the weekend that maybe
Speaker 1: Mark Davis has already quietly spoken to the likes of
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh. Maybe a gym called, well, you know others
Speaker 1: who are not connected to other teams. Mark Davis did
Speaker 1: not take advantage of the two week heads start to
Speaker 1: speak to assistant coaches with other teams. He's focused, so
Speaker 1: he said on the postseason. But there's a thought that
Speaker 1: he's already talked to some people when Harbaugh could be
Speaker 1: talking off the grid to a lot of these teams.
Speaker 1: And it used to be that's how college coaches did it.
Speaker 1: It was the kiss of death to ever let anyone
Speaker 1: know you were talking to an NFL team because it
Speaker 1: was going to be used against you in recruiting. I
Speaker 1: remember when the forty nine ers hired Dennis Rickson in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Nobody even knew Dennis Rickson was
Speaker 1: a candidate, and he shouldn't have been, but nobody even
Speaker 1: knew he was a candidate for the job. And that's
Speaker 1: how it used to be. But now it's a little
Speaker 1: more open, and I think Harbaugh is maybe, at a minimum,
Speaker 1: at a minimum back channel discussions about what he would
Speaker 1: be paid, and hey, do your thing leverage Michigan that
Speaker 1: you took a four million dollar pay cut, This is
Speaker 1: your chance to make it back. Go make it back,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. He is not going to play. I guess
Speaker 1: the team is not going to be able to pick
Speaker 1: him up. Is he going to need surgery on his ankle,
Speaker 1: so therefore that would preclude him from joining another team. Well,
Speaker 1: this is the old dog chasing its tail analysis with
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown because we saw him play against the Jets
Speaker 1: and one of the big arguments against the notion that
Speaker 1: he said he was injured, people saying, oh, he ran
Speaker 1: off the field. Fine, Oh, look at this. He was playing,
Speaker 1: so I think he could play at a level below
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. He was on that podcast last week
Speaker 1: and they never really drilled down on the question I
Speaker 1: would have you're not one hundred percent, But if the
Speaker 1: Chiefs would call you and you're eighty five percent and
Speaker 1: they'll take eighty five percent Antonio Brown over one Byron
Speaker 1: Pringle to Marcus Robinson and Josh Gordon, would you do that?
Speaker 1: And you know the fact that we haven't heard that
Speaker 1: surgery is scheduled, it makes me think that he's just
Speaker 1: kind of waiting and waiting just in case. And hey,
Speaker 1: look at this, if the Chiefs win this weekend and
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill gets injured and he's done for the rest
Speaker 1: of the playoffs and I don't want to be accused
Speaker 1: of jinxing anyone, but that could happen. He's got that
Speaker 1: heel that he was hobbling around with. If all of
Speaker 1: a sudden Tyreek kills gone and the Chiefs are still alive,
Speaker 1: how do you not at least consider giving Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: a call? So, you know, I think the smart move
Speaker 1: for him is delay the surgery, and I think he
Speaker 1: does need surgery. But I think if he had to,
Speaker 1: just like he did that day at MetLife Stadium, shooting
Speaker 1: up with tour at all, go out and play or
Speaker 1: the cold stuck at quarterback, Well, they've given up a
Speaker 1: third round pick and what will be a first round
Speaker 1: pick for Carson Wentz. Now contractually, could they have some
Speaker 1: flexibility they didn't take the gigantic cap charge on because
Speaker 1: it was the Eagles that made the big upfront investment
Speaker 1: in Carson Wentz. I just think that they would be
Speaker 1: wise to consider all options. And when Frank Reich was
Speaker 1: asked the question earlier this week, you know, when you
Speaker 1: have a true franchise quarterback and you're asked any question
Speaker 1: about who you know, what the status of your quarterback is.
Speaker 1: You know, if they would ask Matt Lafleur about Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers status or Bruce Arians about Tom Brady says, is
Speaker 1: you'd laugh at it. The fact that Carson Wentz when
Speaker 1: his name come up, it wasn't laughed at by Frank Wright.
Speaker 1: That tells you they're gonna they have to. They have
Speaker 1: to because he was the thing that held their offense
Speaker 1: back this year. Explain that t J. Watt is not
Speaker 1: the old time single season sack record holder. Well, the
Speaker 1: aborted snap, the dreaded aborted snap. He thought it was
Speaker 1: a sack early in the game against the Ravens. It
Speaker 1: would have given him twenty two and a half and
Speaker 1: he would have broken it later in the game. But
Speaker 1: because of the way that the play was scored, it
Speaker 1: was a snap that hit the rear end of the
Speaker 1: center and it wasn't technically a sack, and they appealed
Speaker 1: to the Allied Sports Bureau and the Alized Sports Bureau
Speaker 1: denied the appeal. So there isn't an extra sack, and
Speaker 1: there's a certain irony and all of that because the
Speaker 1: play that Brett Farve ran that that's an aborted snap.
Speaker 1: To me, when Strahan got twenty two and a half,
Speaker 1: I was just I was gonna ask you which one
Speaker 1: is more of a sack in your opinion? Yeah, neither neither.
Speaker 1: And hey, TJ did it in fifteen games, so he's
Speaker 1: got that going for him. And and you know, this
Speaker 1: whole debate about seventeen versus sixteen and should we put
Speaker 1: an asterisk on these records, it really doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: the season is now seventeen games. The NFL exercised its
Speaker 1: prerogative to expand the season, so the records are going
Speaker 1: to reset, and then it's going to expand to eighteen
Speaker 1: and they're gonna reset again. When do you think eighteen rules?
Speaker 1: Around twenty thirty at the latest, but possibly sooner. Even
Speaker 1: though the current labor deal with the union doesn't expire
Speaker 1: until the early part of the next decade, they can
Speaker 1: do a new deal whenever they want. And I think
Speaker 1: once they fully appreciate how much money is going to
Speaker 1: flow from legalized gambling. And you know, New York came
Speaker 1: online this week with mobile betting, and they've made a
Speaker 1: ton of money already. As more and more states come
Speaker 1: on board, the money keeps going up and up. How
Speaker 1: do you make more money if you're the NFL and
Speaker 1: the NFL Players Association, you increase inventory, you add another game,
Speaker 1: and then I think they're going to start a adding teams.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be anytime soon, but I think as
Speaker 1: they understand how much money can be derived one game
Speaker 1: at a time, one week at a time, they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna want more. They're gonna want to give us more,
Speaker 1: so there's more stuff people can bet off. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this. I think you were on the plane,
Speaker 1: it might have been a red eye coming back from Denver,
Speaker 1: and we were seated next to somebody affiliated with the
Speaker 1: NFL who said, ask me any questions you want, and
Speaker 1: at the time I wanted to know about adding an
Speaker 1: extra playoff team and if we would be adding a
Speaker 1: seventeenth game. Well, he said, at the time the person
Speaker 1: I'm talking to, we're gonna be adding that extra playoff team.
Speaker 1: So that's seven years ago. Next Monday, I come in
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, got a reliable source, Mike. You
Speaker 1: were there with me, but I don't think you reported it.
Speaker 1: And I got put out there and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: somebody said the NFL said no, that's not true, and
Speaker 1: I went, all, be damned, I'm in trouble. Year. But
Speaker 1: it was the NFL who said, hey, ask me any
Speaker 1: question you want. Well, I may have been asleep at
Speaker 1: that moment, or I would have reported it so long.
Speaker 1: It was a long day. Yes, it's a long day
Speaker 1: and night and weekend, Denver. But they had wanted to
Speaker 1: expand the playoff field for a while. They'd wanted to
Speaker 1: expand this season for over a decade. The challenge was
Speaker 1: getting the union to agree to it, and it was
Speaker 1: difficult to get the players Association to agree to a
Speaker 1: seventeenth game. But money talks, and the you know, that's
Speaker 1: what's eventually going to get the union to agree to eighteen.
Speaker 1: They'll come up with ways to make it safer, expand
Speaker 1: the rosters, but it's gonna be more. It's gonna be more.
Speaker 1: And you know, Dan, I don't know, can they justify
Speaker 1: going to sixteen playoff teams half the league? Maybe they
Speaker 1: can go to sixteen if they have thirty four teams,
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the key. But I just think it's a
Speaker 1: matter of time before there's no buys. There's sixteen teams
Speaker 1: and everybody plays this opening weekend with eight games in
Speaker 1: standalone windows instead of six. I'll leave you with this
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys lose this weekend. If the Cowboys lose
Speaker 1: this weekend, I think what's going to happen is they're
Speaker 1: going to strike some sort of a deal with their
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Kellen Moore like they once had in place
Speaker 1: with Jason Garrett, to take over eventually for Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: and eventually will be whenever Jerry Jones decides it is
Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty two season. Depends on how they
Speaker 1: do after the twenty twenty two season during the next season,
Speaker 1: but I think they don't want to let Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: get away because other teams are going to be interested.
Speaker 1: They want to groom him to become Tom Landry. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones tried to do it with Jason Garrett and maybe
Speaker 1: waited too long with Jason Garrett before giving up. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to try to do it again with
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, So that's the balance here. I don't think
Speaker 1: McCarthy gets fired, but I think they're going to mobilize
Speaker 1: to make sure that they can transition from McCarthy to
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore the same way they transition from Wade Phillips
Speaker 1: to Jason Garrett. I to have one more if Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford doesn't play well this weekend, well, well you know
Speaker 1: they're not stuck with him contractually like they were with
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. But I mean, think about this a year ago.
Speaker 1: What a big deal. It was two first round picks,
Speaker 1: a third round pick and Jared Goff for Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1: And someone explained it to me recently. You know what,
Speaker 1: when you look at Matthew Stafford playing, the trade actually
Speaker 1: was two first round picks, a third round pick and
Speaker 1: Jared Goff for Jared Goff. Because how are they any
Speaker 1: better off than they were with Jared Goff? The way
Speaker 1: Matthew Staffords played eight touchdown passes, eight interceptions the last
Speaker 1: four games. I think if they go one and out
Speaker 1: and that's it and they lose on Monday night, you know,
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh will say all the right things, but we
Speaker 1: know from his time with Jared Goff, what he thinks,
Speaker 1: what he believes in what he says are two different things.
Speaker 1: And at some point we know that they're all in.
Speaker 1: They're always looking to get better, They're always looking for
Speaker 1: the bright shiny object. I could see him fall out
Speaker 1: of love with Matthew Stafford as quickly as he fell
Speaker 1: out of love with Jared Goff. I lied, I had
Speaker 1: one more. Is Ben Roethlisberger retiring or just retiring from
Speaker 1: the Steelers? I think he's done. I think he's done,
Speaker 1: and he knows he's done, although who knows. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you know you win a Super Bowl? You know, not
Speaker 1: that they will, but you get rejuvenate. I just he
Speaker 1: can't play like he used to, and he finally realized
Speaker 1: he can't play like he used to. And what he
Speaker 1: If we would rank all thirty two starting quarterbacks top
Speaker 1: to bottom, he'd be pretty damn close to the bottom
Speaker 1: right now. And that may feed into their narrative this weekend,
Speaker 1: and so be it if it does. But but if
Speaker 1: you would go through quarterback by quarterback and prioritize one
Speaker 1: over the other, he would be very very close to
Speaker 1: number thirty two. Who would be beneath Ben Roethlisberger on
Speaker 1: that list, Well, you know, it's hard to say. With
Speaker 1: the guys who just have one year, it's hard to say,
Speaker 1: like do you put You don't put a Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: down there, do you? But I mean, think about who
Speaker 1: would you put? What starting quarterback? Think of one starting quarterback?
Speaker 1: Who wasn't a rookie this year that you would say,
Speaker 1: what Darneld? But is he even a starter right now?
Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy Garoppolo's down in that category as much
Speaker 1: as forty nine ers fans don't want to admit it.
Speaker 1: He can execute handoffs extremely well, and he did play
Speaker 1: well against the Rams with the game on the line.
Speaker 1: Jar Jared Goff, Jared Goff's down there. Jared Goff's down there,
Speaker 1: you know, even though he beat the Cardinals somehow and
Speaker 1: had three touchdown passes in that game. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's easy to say, oh, top ten quarterback, top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback. Once you start rattling off names, you get
Speaker 1: into the twenties pretty quickly, and there's some guys making
Speaker 1: a lot of money that are down in the twenties,
Speaker 1: and you know, some some potential Hall of famers that
Speaker 1: are creeping down toward thirty two. So I think Ben's
Speaker 1: sufficiently self aware that that it's over and and I
Speaker 1: think the way that it ended this year storybook already.
Speaker 1: You don't want to disrupt that by starting a new
Speaker 1: story with another team. Now I'm officially done with you, Mike,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Buy Mike Florio Pro football Talk
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Speaker 1: was wondering this, and it's not fair to Ben, but
Speaker 1: if you would have said, hey, you're gonna end you're
Speaker 1: not going to make the playoffs because the game with
Speaker 1: the Chargers and Raiders would end with a tie, but
Speaker 1: you go out as a winner as opposed to you're
Speaker 1: a twelve and a half point underdog against Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I always think, remember when Dan Marino, what was his
Speaker 1: last game? Didn't he lose sixty two to seven? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I think it was sixty two to seven. And it's
Speaker 1: just if you could have said, hey, you want to
Speaker 1: get rid of that one too soon? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let me take a break, run a little late here.
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Speaker 1: by February second, orcedis Benz the best so City or nothing.
Speaker 1: Dan Marino's last game was indeed sixty two to seven
Speaker 1: loss against the Jacksonville Jaguars who Fred Taylor and company
Speaker 1: Mark Brunel. They ran all over the Dolphins that day. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: yeahd In January fifteenth, two thousand, Marino made the playoffs
Speaker 1: with Miami his last three seasons, even though his numbers
Speaker 1: weren't great, and they won their first playoff game get Seattle.
Speaker 1: But then they just got boat raced sixty two to seven.
Speaker 1: Marino had ninety five yards passing in a couple of
Speaker 1: picks at home. Yikes. But if you could go out
Speaker 1: with a win, but you don't you don't go to
Speaker 1: the playoffs, or you go to the playoffs and you
Speaker 1: get blown out by Kansas City. So if you have
Speaker 1: Dan Marino, we don't make the playoffs that year, but
Speaker 1: we have a nice clean win at home in week
Speaker 1: sixteen and you have a nice day and then you
Speaker 1: right off to the sunset. Yeah, I just I was
Speaker 1: just wondering about that with Ben that. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't wish for anybody to retire. Nobody wants to retire,
Speaker 1: you know. Steve Young told me that years ago. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to, but you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you're asked to or forced two or injuries. Yeah, Seaton,
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, at what point though in
Speaker 1: the with that sort of theoretical question, at what point
Speaker 1: during the season do you know you're out of the playoffs,
Speaker 1: Like do you have a chance to get in and
Speaker 1: then you don't make it, or are you sort of
Speaker 1: it's a struggling season, you know you're not going to
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs. No, it's this scenario this year.
Speaker 1: It's exactly this year that we win the game and
Speaker 1: then we wait and then the Raiders Chargers ends in
Speaker 1: a tie and then we don't make the playoffs. But
Speaker 1: we did everything that we could do to get in there,
Speaker 1: and it's a shame, but we won't be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And Ben, thank you. There's got to be something real
Speaker 1: tortuous about I don't know. Is it getting in one
Speaker 1: more time? Like, all right, this is it, we got
Speaker 1: one more shot. I know you do want to get in,
Speaker 1: it's just you don't. I don't know. I'm rooting for
Speaker 1: a close game. How's that. I want Ben to be
Speaker 1: able to play where he's proud of his performance this weekend.
Speaker 1: How about a competitive game? Yes, Ton, I think you
Speaker 1: want to end with that clean win. As much as
Speaker 1: it would be nice to say that you got into
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but if you're gonna get killed in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: it's like Sugary Leonard or other boxers. They don't know
Speaker 1: when to call it quits. And you'll make you way
Speaker 1: finally to the middle way to a heavyweight championship out
Speaker 1: and you get knocked out in the third round and
Speaker 1: you're bleeding and you're a mess. Is that the way
Speaker 1: you want to end where you finally realize you've got
Speaker 1: nothing left to give him the ring? Yes, I totally disagree.
Speaker 1: I want to make the playoffs. He given my fans
Speaker 1: some hope. And you know, as bad as Ben Roethlisberger's
Speaker 1: past years, Ben, and we remember they were weren't they
Speaker 1: eleven and oh at one point last year? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were really competitive last year. And his numbers weren't great.
Speaker 1: At least he could say, like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: always was a competitive He never had a losing season
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. Yeah, and you know there's not home.
Speaker 1: Let's say you get blown out by twenty four. We're there,
Speaker 1: We're there. We gave him an extra weeks about three interceptions,
Speaker 1: a pick six. You know you're dejected, slumped over walking
Speaker 1: off the field. I'll give you one that still bothers me.
Speaker 1: Walter Payton's last year in the NFL, he had the
Speaker 1: retirement ceremony in Week sixteen, I think against Seattle and
Speaker 1: his kumbay. Yeah, Walter, there was a very good Bears
Speaker 1: team and they disappointed two years in a row. His
Speaker 1: final play was like a third and eight. He caught
Speaker 1: the ball and was one yard short, got knocked out
Speaker 1: of bounds, was underneath the opponent's bench. I think it
Speaker 1: was the Redskins at the time. It was the worst
Speaker 1: way to go out. He was one yard short of
Speaker 1: a first down that they needed to try to win
Speaker 1: the game, and it was awful, but it was nice
Speaker 1: that they were in the playoffs. Seaton, did you have
Speaker 1: something to add? Ben has rings? Yeah, that changes it
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yea interesting topic though. Andrea Kramer is
Speaker 1: going to be on the broadcast for the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: the Niners. She will join us. She's in the Pro
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