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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the jury hands down a

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Speaker 1: cash app Bob Lee. I mean'sy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Multimillionaire cash app founder

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Speaker 1: Bob Lee brutally murdered, but in the last days a

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Speaker 1: jury hands down a verdict. A highly educated tech consultant

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Speaker 1: tells the jury he was just defending himself against Bob

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Speaker 1: Lee after they clashed over a quote bad joke. The

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Speaker 1: tech consultant, Nim's Mamane, stated his altercation with cash app

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Speaker 1: founder Bob Lee started after he joked Mamione might want

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Speaker 2: Momane claims that it was that.

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Speaker 1: Point Lee Bob Lee pulled out a knife and attacked him,

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Speaker 1: forcing the tech consultant to defend himself. It was Bob Lee,

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Speaker 1: with all that bristling intelligence, creativity and money, was found

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Speaker 1: fatally stabbed in downtown San Francisco. He was later rushed

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Speaker 1: he goes to trial and now a jury hands down

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Speaker 1: the verdict. They didn't buy the story that cash app

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Speaker 1: founder Bob Lee was murdered over a bad joke. They

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Speaker 1: find the tech consultant mo'mony guilty, but what led to

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Speaker 1: that guilty verdict? I want you to take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at.

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Speaker 2: NBC please say.

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Speaker 3: Lee was a hacked not far from the Bay Bridge

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Speaker 3: at two thirty five am Tuesday. The area, thought to

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Speaker 3: surveillance cameras. Before collapsing on a sidewalk, Lee screamed for

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Speaker 3: help on his phone, saying someone stabbed me. According to

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Speaker 4: These images, obtained by The Daily Mail, chouf tech exec

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Speaker 4: Bobb Lee stumbling along Main Street in San Francisco's Rincon

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Speaker 5: We have some leades to follow up on. I can't

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what this guy is going through.

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Speaker 1: We know he has two gorgeous little girls he's raising.

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Speaker 1: He has had an incredible rise and meteoric rise in

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Speaker 1: And in those moments after he stabbed multiple times, he's

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Speaker 1: As you heard, this is in the exclusive runcon area

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Speaker 1: there the city by the Bay, and I've thought about

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Speaker 2: Of this area are all good.

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Speaker 1: We've got an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first I want to

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Speaker 1: Jan Smith, joining us, Jen, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: This has brought so much higher in scrutiny on the

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean everything you just said is right, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: and it has brought so much added negative attention to

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the neighborhood, because I don't know.

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Speaker 6: That well Mission you know, Main Street near Mission Street,

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Speaker 1: Okay, now wait a minute, Jen, guys with me, and

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Speaker 6: You know, how could something like this happen seemingly at

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about what Jensmith or Daily Mail

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Speaker 1: Prosecuted so many aggravated assaults and homicized rapes on Crog

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Speaker 1: Well, since the time I prosecuted, it's been all gentrified.

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Speaker 8: It is everywhere. There's a tolerance, nancy for regions where

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Speaker 1: licensed psychologist and mediator. He specializes in forensics psychology. You

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Speaker 1: What he just said about stabbing, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: It's a whole different animal than shooting somebody at a

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Speaker 9: Because it's also physically exhausting, so you've got to be

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Speaker 1: And there were multiple stab wounds here, either two or three.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was no way this guy was going

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Speaker 1: to walk away alive. IRV Brandt joining me, Senior Inspector

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Speaker 1: I haven't read Bluestone yet, but I'm going to IRV Brant.

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Speaker 1: What Jarrett Farentino just said that we quote tolerate crime

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Speaker 11: That's correct, Nancy, And just like the prosecutor should. And

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Speaker 12: Yes, you're right, he did have some time to think.

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Speaker 2: You can't say what if that.

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Speaker 1: Was you, or what if that was your father or

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, Nancy? And you know the imagination can't help but

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Speaker 8: Some things you don't have to say to a jury.

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Speaker 2: I went to the medical examer I said, what is that.

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Speaker 12: That's what happens is pure getting stabbed in the lungs.

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Speaker 1: The glam sister of the accused killer because Armamane shows

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Speaker 1: Is this just an attempt to muddy the memory of

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Speaker 2: What more do we know about the night?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand with this stabbing first occurred. There was

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Speaker 1: Why because stabbings happened every day and seemingly nobody cares well?

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Speaker 3: The father of two who had recently moved to Miami

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Speaker 3: was more than a tech icon, his wife saying, Bob

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Speaker 7: It's gonna be hard to imagine a world where you

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Speaker 11: Hey, I had this problem I'm thinking through can you

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Speaker 8: He was an absolutely instrumental person in the tech industry.

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Speaker 3: This morning, the high profile murder of a tech pioneer

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Speaker 1: A visionary, a tech guru, and there's more. Take a

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Speaker 13: He's been described as that person that everyone wants to

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Speaker 2: So this is the guy that created cash app.

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Speaker 1: It's a P to P person to person transferring app

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Speaker 10: Had a successful career in tech as a founder of

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Speaker 10: condolences to Lee's friends and family who are trying to

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Speaker 14: I can't imagine anyone targeting Bob. He was not a

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Speaker 1: Joining right now is our own tech guru, Ben Levitan,

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Speaker 1: telecommunications expert, joining us out of Raleigh. You can find

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Speaker 1: You see the world in code like a seer a

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Speaker 2: Is it a different mindset?

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Speaker 1: And how does somebody like Bob Lee rise to the

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Speaker 8: It's really thanks for that intro.

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Speaker 15: That's the best intro I've ever had, Nancy, Thank you.

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Speaker 15: The fact is, you know, I've been an engineer for

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Speaker 15: There's no gray area with the engineers. But Bob Lee's

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Speaker 15: so successful. It's very very simple. Bob understood that people

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Speaker 15: they wouldn't mind paying a small percentage of that for

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Speaker 15: him to facilitate the services. Ironically, Nancy, in this case,

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Speaker 15: the best evidence is going to come off the cash app.

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Speaker 15: Every time you make a transaction, the cash app is

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Speaker 15: going to record your location, it's going to record the

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Speaker 15: two parties who were doing the transaction. It's going to

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Speaker 15: have their mobile phone numbers. There's going to be so

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Speaker 15: much evidence right there.

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Speaker 1: So you just put that in a way that even I,

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Speaker 1: a literature major, can understand. Okay, So who would do

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Speaker 1: this thing to ATTACKT Guru a visionary note around the

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Speaker 1: world and a father of two? I might add, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cutd.

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Speaker 13: Just after two am Tuesday morning, Bob Lee called police.

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Speaker 13: He was near San Francisco's Bay Bridge. He reportedly yelled

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Speaker 13: into his phone, help someone stabbed me. Surveillance footage showed

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Speaker 13: Lee struggling to walk up a city street. He tried

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Speaker 13: to wave down a white cameray with its hazard lights on.

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Speaker 13: The camera drives away and Lee collapses on the ground.

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Speaker 13: Six minutes later, the police arrive and Lee is unconscious

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Speaker 13: and bleeding uncontrollably. Lee has been stabbed three times, once

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Speaker 13: in the hip and twice in the chest.

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Speaker 1: So now a mystery car emerges a car that speeds

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Speaker 1: away when Lee circles back to it. Why, here's more

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Speaker 1: from our friends at NBC.

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Speaker 3: Doorties call it a planned and deliberate attack.

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Speaker 16: There is evidence regarding motive that has been located in

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Speaker 16: this case, but certainly we have to make sure that

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Speaker 16: we look at every avenue.

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Speaker 3: This video, obtained by the Dailymail dot Com, shows Lee

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Speaker 3: staggering away after the attack. Police later found a text

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Speaker 3: message from Kazar Moomenti on Lee's phone. Just wanted to

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Speaker 3: make sure you're doing okay because I know Nima came

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Speaker 3: way down hard on you, and thank you for being

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Speaker 3: such a classy man handling it with class. Love you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, it looks like yet again, ben Levitan is right.

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Speaker 2: The cops are combing through. He was now. He had

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Speaker 2: moved to Miami. His two children, his two little girls

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Speaker 2: were there. His ex wife's there. They're raising the children together.

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Speaker 1: His father, very very close relationship with the father who

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Speaker 1: also moves to Miami to be with Bobbly. He comes

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Speaker 1: back to San Francisco for a tech conference.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, all of.

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Speaker 6: That is exactly right. He lived in the Bay Area,

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Speaker 6: a suburb actually just north of San Francisco. For some time,

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Speaker 6: and then it was the fall of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 6: Lobly moved his whole family to Miami. That's including his

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Speaker 6: ex wife and his father, Ben.

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Speaker 1: Levitan, telecommunications expert, joining us out of Raleigh. Ben, we

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Speaker 1: learned that in this very ritzy area there are cams everywhere,

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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras, rings, all sorts of surveillance, and that is

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Speaker 1: how we get some of the video we see of

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Speaker 1: him staggering around for help as.

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Speaker 2: He's bleeding out.

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Speaker 1: But you say, texts and pinging and following the trail

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Speaker 1: of where he was that night, went out on the

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Speaker 1: town at the end of the day after the conference,

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Speaker 1: let out can give us so much more information. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about surveillance video cams. Do

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Speaker 1: they still tape over themselves like at the end of

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Speaker 1: seventy two hours like they did in the Chandra Levy case.

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Speaker 15: It depends on how much you're spending on this technology.

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Speaker 15: A lot of them do overright, But memory is so

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Speaker 15: cheap nowadays, and if you're just recording low resolution like

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Speaker 15: what we saw in the Daily Mail video that's very

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Speaker 15: low resolution, you could keep that for years. But you

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Speaker 15: know what's critical, the twenty four hours prior, and everybody's

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Speaker 15: going to happen. There's so much more than video. Every

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Speaker 15: time you walk around with your phone, you're leaving digital

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Speaker 15: footprints all over the place. So certainly in that office lobby,

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Speaker 15: they know everybody who came near that building. So those

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Speaker 15: would be perpetrators, those would be suspects, and those would

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Speaker 15: be with potential witnesses. Digital evidence gives us three things.

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Speaker 15: Who was at this, who is at the scene, and

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Speaker 15: those areotential suspects. Yes, those are potential witnesses, and that's

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Speaker 15: the most important thing. People may have walked by and

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Speaker 15: didn't even know what was going on. Someone may have

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Speaker 15: seen someone running away from Bob Lee and have thought

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Speaker 15: nothing of it.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, the jury reaches a verdict. Prosecutors

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Speaker 1: accused Nima MoManI attacked Guru of planning the attack and

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Speaker 1: taking a very unique knife from his sister's kitchen before

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Speaker 1: driving Bob Lee to a secluded area and stabbing him

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Speaker 1: multiple times. Now, prosecutors long claimed the stabber planned the

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Speaker 1: attack after a dispute over his the staber's sister, Kazar.

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Speaker 1: All three of them had been at Kazar's apartment just

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Speaker 1: before the murder.

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Speaker 2: What more do we know?

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Speaker 1: Looking at the victim, bob Ley's texts and messages, a

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Speaker 1: name emerges and boy does it take a listen our

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Speaker 1: cut EIGHTCBS.

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Speaker 7: These haunting security camera images posted by London's Daily Mail

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Speaker 7: show the final moments of bob Le's life and tonight

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Speaker 7: police say that brutal stabbing was not a random attack.

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Speaker 5: We can confirm that mister Lee and Missmomini knew each other.

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Speaker 7: San Francisco's police chief says thirty eight year old Nima Momeni,

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Speaker 7: who owns a tech company, was arrested this morning in

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Speaker 7: the suburb of Emeryville and booked on one charge of murder.

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Speaker 7: Officers confronted him with bullhorns. Law enforcement did not give

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Speaker 7: details or a motive for the killing.

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Speaker 1: Hold on Nima Momeni, a tech company owner, Well, that's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of bes, you know, a bunch of bs.

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Speaker 1: Jarrett Fiorentino, homicide prosecutor. That's a technical legal term, but

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Speaker 1: there's really no other way to put it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have a Latin phrase for that.

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Speaker 1: Lawyers can throw around in the courtroom. But Jen Smith,

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Speaker 1: he's not a successful tech owner. Didn't he lie about

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Speaker 1: graduating from Berkeley?

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about momaning.

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Speaker 6: He sure did. He would love the world to think,

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Speaker 6: or at one stage he would have loved the world

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Speaker 6: to think that he was this high flying tech executive.

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Speaker 6: We're not talking about the kind of success that Bobbly enjoyed.

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Speaker 11: Though.

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Speaker 6: This man had a small shop.

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Speaker 2: He worked out of his apartment.

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Speaker 6: He worked out of his apartment, that's correct. He has

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Speaker 6: an IT domain name. I would say at Beth he

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Speaker 6: had lied about his college education. He said he went

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Speaker 6: to Berkeley. Berkeley says he did not. And really the

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Speaker 6: rest of his life is somewhat of a mystery. But

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Speaker 6: like you say, he was working out of his apartment

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Speaker 6: in em Wi jed but five miles from where the

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Speaker 6: attack took play.

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Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with working out of your apartment

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Speaker 1: or home.

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Speaker 2: Many people do it, especially since COVID. But to lie

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Speaker 2: about it?

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Speaker 1: Doctor John delatorre joining US psychologists and mediator specializing in

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Speaker 1: forensic psychology. Why do people have to lie about it?

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Speaker 1: Who cares if you work out of your place? You're loft,

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Speaker 1: nobody cares, But why lie about it? Nobody cares where

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Speaker 1: you went to college. Great, they may care for a

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Speaker 1: minute when you're trying to get your first job, But

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Speaker 1: then after that, why lie about it?

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Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, because you have a high impression manager. Just because

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Speaker 9: the world doesn't look at you as being somewhat important,

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Speaker 9: that doesn't mean that you don't view the world as.

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Speaker 11: Needing you to be important.

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Speaker 9: So of course you're going to lie, and of course

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Speaker 9: you're going to embellish if you believe that the world

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Speaker 9: is going to judge you in ways you don't want

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Speaker 9: to be judged.

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Speaker 2: You know, I came off of red dirt road drinking.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know how somebody like me managed to

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Speaker 1: worm my way into Valdosta College and then Mercy University

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Speaker 1: and then NYU.

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Speaker 2: It's a miracle.

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Speaker 1: I've always been amazed at people that lie about everything

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Speaker 1: to do with their background. But there's more at play here.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen how our cut seven. This is Brooke Jenkins.

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Speaker 1: And remember the da has endeared a real hailstorm because

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Speaker 1: of the crime in this area.

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Speaker 2: This wants wonderful, beautiful area.

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Speaker 1: It's now home, it's drenched in crime.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Why the mayor is bragging and crowing, Hey, This wasn't

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Speaker 1: a homeless person that committed the crime, Lady, They committed

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Speaker 1: a crime on Main Street and nobody would help this guy.

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Speaker 1: It's crime ridden. Listen to this.

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Speaker 16: Well, in some cases we do immediately have a suspect

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Speaker 16: that was not the situation.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 16: As a result of their hard work, mister Lee's killer

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Speaker 16: has been identified, arrested, and now.

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Speaker 2: Will be brought to justice.

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Speaker 16: I am here today to formally announce the charges against

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Speaker 16: mister Nima Momeni for the murder of Bob Lee. The

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Speaker 16: specific charges that we are filing today include murder in

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Speaker 16: violation of Penal Code Section one eighty seven, as well

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Speaker 16: as a special allegation also known as an enhancement, alleging

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Speaker 16: that this murder was committed with a knife.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why.

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Speaker 1: It's an enhancement if anybody on the panel knows, unless

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Speaker 1: they're trying to curb knife violence. And speaking of knives,

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Speaker 1: Jen Smith, Teeth, investigative reporter, dailymail dot com, this guy

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Speaker 1: Momony has a history with knives. Explain that little matter

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Speaker 1: regarding a switch blade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he sure does.

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Speaker 6: We know now that in two thousand and eleven, Nima

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Speaker 6: Mmeny was charged with attacking a woman with a switch

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Speaker 6: blade on We see this came to light after his

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Speaker 6: arrest in the ball Blee case. I know, speaking of

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Speaker 6: the knife in this case, fancy, we're not talking about

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Speaker 6: a switchblade. We're talking about kitchen knife, a large one.

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Speaker 6: That is what police day he used to attack ball Blee.

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Speaker 2: Kitchen knife.

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Speaker 1: But he before that had a history of trying to

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Speaker 1: sell an illegal switchblade.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct? Yeah, that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 6: This guy has a long history with violence, clearly specifically

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Speaker 6: associated with Knight.

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Speaker 1: Well, the evidence is largely electronic, and ben Levitan is

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Speaker 1: right about that. And I know, Jarrett Farantino, you love

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Speaker 1: electronic evidence, digital evidence, because it doesn't lie like an

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Speaker 1: eyewitness may have had bad vision and left their glasses

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Speaker 1: at home, not so a digital information. Take a list

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Speaker 1: an hour cut nine from our friends at NBC.

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Speaker 3: The moments before, during, and after the murder of Bob

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Speaker 3: Lee were recorded on surveillance cameras and help detectives track

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Speaker 3: down their suspect. According to court document, it's the tech

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Speaker 3: Titans relationship with this woman because ar Momeni may have

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Speaker 3: been the reason her brother Nima Momeni killed the forty

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Speaker 3: three year old. Is mister Lee's relationship with the suspects

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Speaker 3: sister a major part of this case.

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Speaker 16: His relationship with the suspects sister is certainly the connection

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Speaker 16: it appears between the two and so that is something

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Speaker 16: that's very important to this investigation.

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Speaker 1: In a Nutshales, gent Smith, before we run out of time,

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Speaker 1: why would Mamonie kill Bob Lee.

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Speaker 2: I were Mamini's sister.

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Speaker 1: She's married to a very successful, well known plastic surgeon

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Speaker 1: in that area.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's all now emerging. The friends who are close

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Speaker 6: to bob Le and Caauzarmomeny, the glamorous sister, they believe

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Speaker 6: that the pair were having a romantic relationship. And it

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Speaker 6: gets darker than that. There is a suggestion that because

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Speaker 6: Armomeny was using drugs, she had a drug problem, that

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Speaker 6: she was.

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Speaker 2: Hiding You mean the sister, the sister.

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Speaker 6: Because Armmenny, yes, the sister. There is a suggestion she

664
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 6: had a drug problem, she was hiding from her husband,

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 6: and that she was perhaps artying with Lee. On the

666
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 6: day before the murder, her brother Nima, older than her,

667
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 6: didn't like obviously that she was engaging in this type

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00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 6: of behavior. He we know, questioned Bob Lee about it

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00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 6: hours before the stabbing. He wanted to know the extent

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00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 6: of their relationship, and he wanted to know from Lee

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00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 6: whether or not his sister had been getting into anything

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00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 6: that wasn't exactly proper, should we say. Bobly assures Nima

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00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 6: Mumeni that his sister Khazar, this woman that he is

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00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 6: apparently having an affair with, was not using drugs, that

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00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 6: everything was fine. That speaks to the text message that

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00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 6: was discovered on Bobby's phone from the sister. Clearly it

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00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 6: set Nima Momeni's brother into a very violent rage.

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Speaker 1: Sarett Farentina, homicide prosecutor of Pennsylvania, number one in the state,

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00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: never ever has to prove the motive under the law.

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00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: It's a practical matter. The jury wants to hear what

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Speaker 1: the motive would be. And I'm very curious about this

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Speaker 1: whole the way this whole thing went down, because at Ferentino,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't wash with me that these two had been

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00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: going to restaurants and bars or whatever since the tech

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00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: conference got out that day, you know, hitting the town

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Mamoni gets mad and

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00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: stabs him dead.

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00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: That doesn't quite ring true to me.

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Speaker 8: Well, if you were shaping up here that it's looking

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00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 8: like Mamoni was playing the role of the protective big brother.

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00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 8: The speculation is that Lee may have been involved in

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00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 8: procuring some kind of narcotics for Tina is her nickname,

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00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 8: Anima's sister, and that may be what triggered him. When

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00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 8: he discovered that Lee had been involved in procuring narcotics

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00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 8: for Tina and he's playing the big brother. They get

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00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 8: into an argument they being Nima and Bob, and the

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00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 8: stabbing ensues. But like you said, the fact that they're

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00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 8: out on the town having dinner, traveling in the same

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00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 8: social circles over the course of that evening doesn't necessarily

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00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 8: jive with it exploding into a violent conflict.

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Speaker 1: You know the old phrase, Jeriff Farantina, Sticks and stones

702
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

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00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: The reality is, I don't care what they argued about.

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00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't care what Mamini thought. He stabbed this guy,

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00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: an unarmed victim, dead and left him to stagger around

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00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: this exclusive area to die, begging for help from a

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00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: car and passers by.

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00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: Nobody would help him. Knew he was dying, spinning up blood.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what they talked about This is murder,

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00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: and it's murder one bottom line.

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Speaker 2: The jury agreed with prosecutors.

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Speaker 1: Mamaney guilty in the brutal murder of multi millionaire cash

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00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: app founder Bob Lee. All that money, all that privilege,

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00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: could not protect him from those closest to him. Nancy

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00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: Grace signing off, goodbye friend,