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Speaker 3: Yes, the edd bles. I fuck with edibles, man, that's
Speaker 3: my Yeah. So I want to general I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people want to general high. The thing that
Speaker 3: I don't understand is how people can get high and
Speaker 3: then right to write when you're I want to take
Speaker 3: a bath and go to bed, like I need like
Speaker 3: a red bull to write. I need the opposite.
Speaker 1: I think we there are certain people for whom you know,
Speaker 1: you know, there's the thing with like add medication. For
Speaker 1: people who don't need it, it affects them like speed,
Speaker 1: and for people who do need it, it actually calms them. Down, Like,
Speaker 1: I think there's a similar thing that happens with weed.
Speaker 1: Like I know people who used to like need to
Speaker 1: get high before class to like do as well as
Speaker 1: they possibly could. I just think that there's it totally
Speaker 1: affects people in different ways. For me, it gave me
Speaker 1: a panic attack and I just kept going. I just
Speaker 1: kept being like, Nah, I want to be cool. I'm
Speaker 1: going to keep giving myself a panic attack. But yeah,
Speaker 1: writing well high, I the times that I tried that
Speaker 1: was non productive.
Speaker 4: I will say I'm similarly unproductive when it comes to
Speaker 4: being high.
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 4: I can smoke weed and play ultimate Frisbee And that's
Speaker 4: about as far as hilarious mind was acting active activity
Speaker 4: plus weed can get. Other than that, it's on the
Speaker 4: couch watching Succession or something. Yeah, Succession seems stressful to me, honestly.
Speaker 4: You know, I did a couple episodes Super Blazed, and
Speaker 4: I had to like watch them again because I was like,
Speaker 4: I think I missed a whole business transaction worms.
Speaker 1: Who's this old guy again? I'm told to off how
Speaker 1: much of the linga, the business lingo are we supposed
Speaker 1: to understand? Because I feel like they throw a bunch
Speaker 1: in there that's probably like a reference to something they've
Speaker 1: worked out in the writer's room, but like they're not
Speaker 1: counting on us knowing what the fuck they're talking about.
Speaker 1: I feel like it excites.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with like all of their La
Speaker 3: slash Hollywood references. Like I just I know that it
Speaker 3: excites the groups that it excites. And I wrote on
Speaker 3: a similar show that had like a big business aspect,
Speaker 3: and we we had like a business uh someone that
Speaker 3: that's their job that went through all of the scripts
Speaker 3: to kind of make it sound like we actually knew
Speaker 3: what the fuck we were talking about.
Speaker 1: Business consultant. Yeah, business consultant. There you go, Wow, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I am high. So I mean usually business consultant is
Speaker 1: the most general job that you can possibly tell someone
Speaker 1: you do, Like that consultant. That must be the number
Speaker 1: one job that CIA agents tell people they do because
Speaker 1: they know it will immediately turn people's brain off. But
Speaker 1: also kind of true, you know, McKenzie, it's like mackenzie,
Speaker 1: but not yeah, because I also kill people exactly. What
Speaker 1: is something from your search history?
Speaker 5: Okay, I recently googled Claire's ring watch because I had
Speaker 5: one as a youth. If you're not sure what a
Speaker 5: Claire's ring watch is. Let me tell you. So, Claire's
Speaker 5: the store in the mall that has like, you know,
Speaker 5: jewelry and accessories for like tweens mostly, but I think
Speaker 5: and sometimes I still go in there and I find
Speaker 5: something I like. But this was like the store that
Speaker 5: I would frequent on any mall trip as a tween
Speaker 5: and teen, just you know, regularly, and I had at
Speaker 5: one point, so mood rings were really popular for a while.
Speaker 5: Maybe they are still or again, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 5: not I still don't quite understand gen Z fashion, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, that was something I wore in high school
Speaker 5: and you're doing it again.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: So there was this ring that you could buy that
Speaker 5: was like it was just a miniature watch, like if
Speaker 5: you picture like a Cassio style watch in your head.
Speaker 5: It was like that. And then it was a ring besides, yes,
Speaker 5: so you would wear it on your finger and so
Speaker 5: it was like very bulky and like not a great ring,
Speaker 5: but it like was a functional watch, so you could
Speaker 5: like tell the time on your little ring watch. And
Speaker 5: then the one I had had a little like the
Speaker 5: like the face of the watch had an alien on
Speaker 5: it because this was back when like alien imagery was
Speaker 5: very popular. I want to say, so the nineteen ninety
Speaker 5: seven ninety eight.
Speaker 1: Kind of thing files.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and then the and then the alien would
Speaker 5: change colors depending on my mood. And it was so accurate.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's like the Swiss Army Life of
Speaker 1: trends oft.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, you know, like psychologically analyzing me. It
Speaker 5: was telling you the time. It was making me so
Speaker 5: my you know, my just fingers look so cool, like yeah, multijid.
Speaker 1: You ever put on your middle finger and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: could you tell me what time it is to someone
Speaker 1: you were mad at?
Speaker 5: Oh? That that's a good you could do that kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I am looking at the pictures. They are I
Speaker 1: don't know what I expected, but they're bulkier. You certainly
Speaker 1: can't get away with wearing multiple on the same man. No,
Speaker 1: maybe not. They are massive. They're also shockingly priced at
Speaker 1: like what one from Etsy is thirteen dollars and ninety cents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's another one you can get for three dollars and
Speaker 1: fifty nine cents. This seems like a marvel of technology
Speaker 1: to me, doing.
Speaker 5: I know and giving them away?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is happening?
Speaker 5: I don't remember exactly why I googled it in the
Speaker 5: first place. I think I was just like talking to
Speaker 5: friends and I was like, remember those things that we had,
Speaker 5: and then I googled it to see if you could
Speaker 5: still buy them, and I honestly might get one, even
Speaker 5: though I don't wear any finger rings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, absolutely, go off. I have to mention.
Speaker 4: I have to mention. At the same time, despite the
Speaker 4: despite the widely available nature, of course, a company like
Speaker 4: Fossil had to take advantage and sells a one hundred
Speaker 4: dollar version as well, which seems was like.
Speaker 1: What that I trust that more than a five dollars version.
Speaker 1: For some reason, my inner down capitalist is like, well
Speaker 1: it must work better because I where'd all that money go.
Speaker 4: I certainly don't blame you for the trust element, but
Speaker 4: just in terms of the actual electronics needed to make
Speaker 4: this happen to the mechanics, one hundred dollars seems a little.
Speaker 5: Steep, I think, especially if you can find one for
Speaker 5: three dollars else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Claire's the Claire's website claies dot com sells
Speaker 1: it for a five pound There we go, So I
Speaker 1: don't think you have it's not available in the US,
Speaker 1: so shipping is going to be a real bitch on
Speaker 1: that one. But that's a it's a good look. I
Speaker 1: did not encounter it. It was after my time. Apparently.
Speaker 1: I was there for mood rings, and I remember mood
Speaker 1: rings being a thing. My parents were like that shit
Speaker 1: again because I think it was like popular when they
Speaker 1: were kids. Also, it's funny, Yeah.
Speaker 5: You were going into Claires all the time. It's just
Speaker 5: that they hadn't did they sessions yet?
Speaker 1: It was early Claires, you know, it wasn't there. Weren't
Speaker 1: there more jelly bracelets and.
Speaker 4: Of course just other and getting your ears pierced.
Speaker 1: Well, telling my mom I was going to get my
Speaker 1: ears pierced, and then running out crying because I was
Speaker 1: just scared. Now, what is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 5: The trailer for.
Speaker 6: The idol came out yesterday and I'm just like, I
Speaker 6: don't know. It's just like Sam Leatherston man, like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I love Euphoria. I think there's obviously some issues with Euphoria,
Speaker 6: especially Barbie Frere's character. I love Kat and so it
Speaker 6: breaks my heart that she's not going to be in
Speaker 6: the new season. But I totally get why because she
Speaker 6: wasn't getting good stuff and just hearing all the horror
Speaker 6: stories from like their set, and just.
Speaker 5: Like how like what was supposed to be like this.
Speaker 6: Really kind of feminist story kind of turned into like
Speaker 6: torture porn and like anti feminist stuff. So you know,
Speaker 6: like I'm gonna I'm gonna say, like a light overrated
Speaker 6: is Sam Levinson? So yeah, I'm like, I'm the creator
Speaker 6: of that show along with others. He took over as
Speaker 6: the director, but I did.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I was just like, all of these shows on HBO
Speaker 6: are getting canceled, so many like POC stories, so many
Speaker 6: things taken off streaming, and then I think this was
Speaker 6: reshot for like millions and millions of dollars, and I'm
Speaker 6: just like, oh, so he just gets a free pass
Speaker 6: to do whatever, but then let's cancel this Chronicles.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's crazy show too.
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 8: They didn't give it any kind of chance, and it's
Speaker 8: the show that before the Discovery merger happened with Warner Brothers,
Speaker 8: they almost certainly would have been like, let's give it
Speaker 8: another season and see if you can find of Spookies
Speaker 8: doesn't have a huge audience, but it's very impact audience
Speaker 8: people who do show up, and it's yeah, to your point, like,
Speaker 8: you know, we've heard a lot of former black and
Speaker 8: brown executives who were let go at Warner Brothers, you know,
Speaker 8: have let us know, like there's an agenda out here
Speaker 8: to get rid of us at this company, which is
Speaker 8: not surprising because they're doing a ton of downsizing and
Speaker 8: then you see where they're spending their millions. It's confusing
Speaker 8: because after they dropped that little scene with the Weekend
Speaker 8: and Johnny Depp's daughter, I was like, is this is
Speaker 8: this this is what we're doing?
Speaker 9: Is it this right here?
Speaker 2: Wasn't it like so filled with like really graphic depictions
Speaker 2: of like sexual assault and violence that they had to
Speaker 2: cut shit out to be like.
Speaker 6: A lot of like people on the crew were like,
Speaker 6: this set is like a whole lot to be on.
Speaker 6: And it's just like, you know, like what this story
Speaker 6: once was has now disintegrated into like, you know, someone
Speaker 6: okay with being like abused and assaulted for like the
Speaker 6: music is the understanding that I have? And yeah, I
Speaker 6: was watching I saw that trailer and I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't know, like maybe maybe I'll be proven wrong,
Speaker 6: but I was just like, dude, like that girl is
Speaker 6: being exposed left right, center, right.
Speaker 1: Right right? What what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 10: So I had originally like minding your own business because
Speaker 10: I'm seeing a lot of drama. But then at the
Speaker 10: same time, I kind of enjoyed the drama, so I'm like, uh,
Speaker 10: is it really but yeah, okay, so what wait?
Speaker 1: So it is minding your business?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I will go with them now, but at the
Speaker 10: same time, minding your business but enjoying it from the outside.
Speaker 5: How about that?
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, lurking lurking.
Speaker 1: Is under lurking.
Speaker 10: Yeah, oh god, that makes me sound.
Speaker 1: Then you're not inserting.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but that's like an Internet term when
Speaker 2: you like, you look at websites, but you don't engage
Speaker 2: in the conversation. You're just lurking.
Speaker 10: Like on that is That is my Twitter persona, That
Speaker 10: is my social media persona.
Speaker 2: I will say, okay, yeah, yeah, so lurkers of the
Speaker 2: world unite. You know, sometimes you just want to watch
Speaker 2: people fight and you're.
Speaker 10: Like, yes, but stay in your corner, stay in your.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't have to be part of it.
Speaker 1: I like to post that neighborhood watch thing that's the
Speaker 1: only thing I post on any social media platform. But
Speaker 1: I just put it up there to let people know
Speaker 1: they're always under my watchful eye.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 10: I accidentally got is one of the admin just because
Speaker 10: my neighborhood didn't have a page.
Speaker 5: I didn't know this.
Speaker 10: So you like, if you don't have a page, if
Speaker 10: you get two or three people to come on, and
Speaker 10: then because you're one of the first people, you become
Speaker 10: an admin for it. So I did not that that
Speaker 10: was the worst way for me to be on the
Speaker 10: neighborhood next door.
Speaker 1: Page in the world. You're a mother your neighborhood.
Speaker 10: I didn't mean to ignore it now, but like I
Speaker 10: would get notifications and be like, do you accept this post?
Speaker 10: I was like, this is the worst. They have too
Speaker 10: much time on their hands.
Speaker 2: Right, They're like they're scared of a Pride flag and
Speaker 2: they're going to call the police on the flag, not
Speaker 2: the homeowner. This flag got. I don't know what it's
Speaker 2: up to. What do you guys think I need your input? Wait,
Speaker 2: when you say the neighborhood watched, which one do you
Speaker 2: mean Jack the weird eye or the dude in like
Speaker 2: the trench code.
Speaker 1: Who has like the mass in the trench code who
Speaker 1: has like this one? Yeah, he has a fedora on,
Speaker 1: a very angular fedora.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what is the like? Who is like where
Speaker 2: did this come from?
Speaker 11: That?
Speaker 2: We're like, look out for this guy the man in Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: is he a ham and did you have a trench
Speaker 2: code on?
Speaker 1: I mean he has very.
Speaker 2: Angular clothing on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's very very angular. His eyes
Speaker 1: stopped like his face stops right below his eyes, I think,
Speaker 1: and he I've actually got a spec script that I'm
Speaker 1: working on or the National Neighborhood Watch logo Shared Universe Cinematic.
Speaker 10: Oh wait, there was that movie that they had to
Speaker 10: take down because of well the shootings, but didn't was
Speaker 10: it seth Rogan? Didn't they try to do like a
Speaker 10: comedic movie. Yeah, Neighborhood Watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was called Neighborhood and then they changed it
Speaker 1: to Watch or the Watch.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and they had to postpone it because of all
Speaker 10: the ship that went down.
Speaker 1: So that movie comes up a lot because it's one
Speaker 1: of super producer Ana Josier's favorite comedic Russian nesting dolls.
Speaker 1: For the first time, each one comes out and his
Speaker 1: mind just blown by each successive Russian nesting doll. He's
Speaker 1: just just like, I can't get over the concept. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that was a movie called Neighborhood Watch and then
Speaker 1: it came out as The Watch. Yeah, someone actually watched
Speaker 1: it and has some moments, has its moments, which is
Speaker 1: all I look for in a comedy. Give me one scene,
Speaker 1: give me sticks in my brain, and I'm yours bar.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very low bar, the lowest of bars. We're
Speaker 2: just like I had that one?
Speaker 1: Did you like for me?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I only know that scene because it was
Speaker 2: just shown to me an isolation, right, I was like,
Speaker 2: and that's what I was like, Oh I know that part.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fucking movie is about that.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, the Vince Von Rushing nestingal movie.
Speaker 2: But I didn't realize there was any controversy attached to
Speaker 2: the Yeah, I mean our great Maga Laureate Vince.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was around the Trayvon thing because it oh
Speaker 1: shah fucking yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I think it also has like an alien
Speaker 1: plot line.
Speaker 10: Why not, as all of them shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Don't limit yourself with your ideas, please put some extraterrestrials.
Speaker 2: Always spices things up, all right, let's.
Speaker 1: Take a quick break, we'll come back, we'll talk some news,
Speaker 1: we'll get into it. We'll be right back, all.
Speaker 7: Right, and we're back.
Speaker 1: And and so there's some reporting going around about like
Speaker 1: Ron Desanta's big donors are starting to worry. They're starting
Speaker 1: to like kind of check their watch and stir about
Speaker 1: anxiously because it feels like he's the polling wasn't good
Speaker 1: when it came out, and it's getting worse because he's
Speaker 1: just like not doing anything. He's like he's doing what
Speaker 1: I do in a fistfight, which is play dead. It
Speaker 1: seems like he's just sitting there and talking about so
Speaker 1: trying to change to the subject. Have you ever tried
Speaker 1: to when someone's fighting, you try to change the subjects?
Speaker 1: That's fuck you up? Man.
Speaker 2: What do you think the chances are of Arsenal winning
Speaker 2: a Premier League title this year?
Speaker 1: It's been a few years? Like what?
Speaker 7: Shut up?
Speaker 12: By the way, you know what's going to happen with
Speaker 12: this American news, right, I'm going to ask basic ask
Speaker 12: questions an Indians, please, and you will feel like I
Speaker 12: feel when I meet Americans and they ask me questions
Speaker 12: about India.
Speaker 1: That's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: And I think that's really I think that's why you're
Speaker 2: a perfect guest, because you know, someone of your materials
Speaker 2: about looking at the sort of the absurdities of your society,
Speaker 2: your culture, and we can't pick a more absurd one
Speaker 2: than in the United States right now in the year
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 12: But I feel like you guys are hard on yourselves.
Speaker 12: Everybody's going through something or the other. But okay, So
Speaker 12: to make it basic, Ron DeSantis is the guy who's
Speaker 12: gonna maybe take Donald Trump's place.
Speaker 2: Potentially it would be the it would be the presidential
Speaker 2: candidate who could run against Joe Biden in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: assuming Joe Biden is also the candidate for the Democratic
Speaker 2: Party and still.
Speaker 9: And knows that it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, right, Oh, he doesn't know it's twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: So that we were beyond that as a requirement that
Speaker 1: man takes it's nineteen sixty seven and he's cruising in
Speaker 1: a vet. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 9: And if this man is as charismatic as Trump.
Speaker 1: No he's he's not. So he is. We've been talking
Speaker 1: about this for a while because he's been like the
Speaker 1: great hope of the mainstream media and the people who
Speaker 1: were you know, who wanted Jed Bush or Jeb Bush
Speaker 1: before Trump, like you know, they were the people who
Speaker 1: discounted Trump, who were Republicans, like this is their hope.
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, enough with the Trump silliness, we
Speaker 1: have this other great candidate. We're gonna move on. And
Speaker 1: it's just like twenty sixteen all over again, or twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: I guess the Republican primaries where it's just like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to vote for this motherfucker, right, yeah.
Speaker 12: And then that's that's the test that Republicans have, right,
Speaker 12: because if you're a Republican, now you're really being asked
Speaker 12: the question you'll vote is it based on actual ideology
Speaker 12: or just on fandom? You know, because maybe you voted
Speaker 12: for Trump for fandom. But now if ron De Santis
Speaker 12: comes in, like that's the actual test of how much
Speaker 12: you believe in your ideology.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but unfortunately, like it's gonna it's basically like Marvel,
Speaker 2: like it's the MCU.
Speaker 1: Now it's all about fandoms. There's nothing about policy.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this guy's kind of like fanos almost
Speaker 2: and he's going to own the Libs with how powerful
Speaker 2: and like, you know, how regressive he is. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like with rond de Santis, he's really trying to differentiate
Speaker 2: himself by trying to run to the right of Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: which is what worries some of these donors because Ronda
Speaker 2: Santis has been very enthusiastic about how he's just gonna
Speaker 2: just completely kneecap abortion in Florida. The state legislature they
Speaker 2: just passed a bill that would ban abortion after six
Speaker 2: six weeks when most people don't even know they're pregnant,
Speaker 2: and DeSantis is like, I'm signing that shit. Okay, watch
Speaker 2: this because I'm actually about overturning Roe v.
Speaker 1: Wade.
Speaker 2: Okay, And again he's trying to court this very hyper
Speaker 2: conservative audience going into the primary, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people who are just onlookers are just sort of saying this,
Speaker 2: like abortion thing with conservatives. It is one of the
Speaker 2: most consistently losing messages in recent memory. Like it's it's
Speaker 2: been lost after loss with these candidates who like evoke
Speaker 2: their like I'm anti choice, and most people with you know,
Speaker 2: value body autonomy or like yeah, and know that I'm
Speaker 2: going to move on from that, which is.
Speaker 1: Most people like that. Most people do value the body autonomy,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's such a political loser.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't even think it's you know, sometimes when
Speaker 12: i'm when I see regressive policies just sort of worldwide.
Speaker 12: You know, something I tell myself is everybody who's upset
Speaker 12: at you is going to be dead in ten years.
Speaker 9: Whenever I'm in trouble, right right.
Speaker 12: I feel like, you know, like on your last day
Speaker 12: of work, that's when you take a ship in your
Speaker 12: boss's office and walk up, right. Of course, I feel
Speaker 12: for this generation of politicians and leaders, they've just figured
Speaker 12: out this is their last day at work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're taking yeah, you know, in the bosses,
Speaker 1: except they are the boss, and they're taking a ship
Speaker 1: in each of our cubicles.
Speaker 9: As they go out, they're not going to be around
Speaker 9: the smellt right.
Speaker 1: Right, That's an important part of it.
Speaker 2: And like, meanwhile, too, this is kind of like Republicans
Speaker 2: across the country are really doubling down on the abortion
Speaker 2: issue with like the worst possible takes. Like last week
Speaker 2: we brought up Tim Scott, who's running for president. He
Speaker 2: evoked like he's been evoking replacement theory as a reason
Speaker 2: to end abortion, which is something we've also seen in Nebraska.
Speaker 2: We also got another really healthy helping of the racist,
Speaker 2: anti semitic trope from State Senator Steve Erdman, who looks
Speaker 2: like the kind of guy that has never spoken to
Speaker 2: a woman outside of giving a directive. But I just
Speaker 2: want to say, like, we'll just play his his fear
Speaker 2: mongering around this is this is the problem when we
Speaker 2: give people body autonomy.
Speaker 13: Oh, yeah, we have killed two thousand babies since abortion
Speaker 13: became legal.
Speaker 2: Just so you know, he means two hundred thousand. He
Speaker 2: meant to edit that, but he's going to keep saying
Speaker 2: two thousand because he doesn't he doesn't even have this
Speaker 2: monologue memorized.
Speaker 13: Okay, right, those are two thousand people in the state
Speaker 13: of Nebraska that could be working and filling some of
Speaker 13: those positions, and we have vacancy.
Speaker 1: They're not here instead, Who's our state.
Speaker 13: Population has not grown except by those foreigners who have
Speaker 13: moved here or refugees who been placed here.
Speaker 1: Why is that?
Speaker 13: It's because we've killed two hundred thousand people. These are
Speaker 13: people we've killed.
Speaker 2: So there's that's that's phase one of that take of
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, so, you know, I hate to
Speaker 2: say it, but it's these brown people that are moving
Speaker 2: in that are replacing the little white babies that I'm
Speaker 2: talking about in Nebraska. But again, he's just he's relying
Speaker 2: on this very racist trope that we've seen from Charlottesville
Speaker 2: and many other places when you hear like they will
Speaker 2: not replace us type of shit.
Speaker 12: Is that what you think the abortion thing is driven by,
Speaker 12: is that we need to have enough of a white
Speaker 12: population going out there.
Speaker 9: Is that what you think it is.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the things they're trying. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, like that that's one of the arguments they're
Speaker 1: testing out. I think a lot of it is about
Speaker 1: wanting to control women and not like having a patriarchal
Speaker 1: society that is like down to bodily autonomy.
Speaker 2: But it is it is something that like very wealthy
Speaker 2: industrialists like talk about in private about this idea of
Speaker 2: like are there enough babies and us are there enough
Speaker 2: white babies? And what does that mean to the racial
Speaker 2: makeup of the country?
Speaker 9: So or is there enough revenue for this big industry
Speaker 9: that is babies?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do we have enough customers in general?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is. It's something too.
Speaker 2: That Again, what by evoking or invoking the replacement theory,
Speaker 2: you perk the ears up of like ethno nationalists, white supremacists,
Speaker 2: and also evangelicals who are like, oh yeah, good abortion
Speaker 2: and yes, more white people. I like that too because
Speaker 2: I fear a brown America. And so yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: that's one take. His colleague John Lowe decided he was
Speaker 2: going to use for his rhetorical attack. He was going
Speaker 2: to read from a spooky book of ghost stories to
Speaker 2: really bring the point home about how abortion is just
Speaker 2: so very bad. Here's him again, be careful is a
Speaker 2: very spooky ghost story he's about to tell.
Speaker 14: With a brand new baby in a womb, marrying her
Speaker 14: new baby in her womb, she approaches Elizabeth, and John
Speaker 14: is in Elizabeth's womb, and the Holy Spirit is communicated
Speaker 14: in some miraculous, incredible way from the womb of the
Speaker 14: Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ himself to the womb of Elizabeth,
Speaker 14: John the Baptist and John leapt And that is why
Speaker 14: abortion is clearly evil.
Speaker 1: Boom laugh track, they're laughing, yeo.
Speaker 14: And that is why abortion is clearly evil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you needed another bite of that punchline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he said that is wow. I mean, see
Speaker 1: somebody behind him the camera like it's it's worth looking
Speaker 1: at it because they're somebody behind him, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're from the media, but they just like when
Speaker 1: they realize what he's doing, they just like.
Speaker 9: They put the phone out face.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like when he's like, wait, hold on, what
Speaker 2: he's like texting is white. He's like, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: leave what this fucking guy just said?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I would have paid somebody five thousand dollars to
Speaker 12: just scream Jesus is brown.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, exactly. Are you sure about that?
Speaker 1: Are you sure you want to be sure about that?
Speaker 1: You want to tell no seriously?
Speaker 2: And again, I mean, but hey, you hear that libs,
Speaker 2: two ladies touched bellies and the one lady's ghost baby
Speaker 2: made the other baby move, so check made asshole's abortion
Speaker 2: is evil? Like, huh, really.
Speaker 12: Think about your your ideological battle in America that I
Speaker 12: find hilarious as a liberal my sure right and somebody.
Speaker 9: Who's quite left it.
Speaker 12: Why would you have so much loathing for people who
Speaker 12: already have so much self loathing like this? Nobody hates
Speaker 12: on themselves more than the average liberally, we're just like
Speaker 12: a part of anxiety and self loathing.
Speaker 9: Like we're hating ourselves enough for all of you.
Speaker 1: You don't need to do.
Speaker 2: It, No, truly, it's it's I mean again, this is like,
Speaker 2: this is this is your brain on anti choice rhetoric, folks,
Speaker 2: you know the people you know, the like left to
Speaker 2: make a compelling case in some of these state houses
Speaker 2: have the charisma of an evil high school principle from
Speaker 2: an eighties movie. And I think while most people are thinking,
Speaker 2: why the fuck are they doing this when it's clear
Speaker 2: they've been losing election after election and like once where
Speaker 2: they thought they were going to change this like state
Speaker 2: Supreme Court in Wisconsin, like over this issue, Like we
Speaker 2: have to realize that people are getting right now in
Speaker 2: primary mode and they just want to make their case
Speaker 2: to the base first, even if it alienates I don't know,
Speaker 2: seventy percent of the country when they hear it. And
Speaker 2: the overall strategy, especially in Rohnda Santis's case, as this
Speaker 2: one political science professor Jack Bitney puts it is he
Speaker 2: is betting on disaster. That is really what's going on too.
Speaker 2: Like the reason they're they're still stoking this fire is
Speaker 2: because they are hoping for some kind of terrible recession
Speaker 2: or foreign policy blunder disaster to help swing the focus
Speaker 2: off of the you know, you know, regression or the
Speaker 2: restricting of body at tanymir you know, our own reproductive rights.
Speaker 12: Yeah, do you also feel like maybe you know, you
Speaker 12: need some fire to stoke right at the end of
Speaker 12: the day in a in a politically charged year. And
Speaker 12: maybe the problem or the development of America as you
Speaker 12: look at it, is that you're not able to stoke
Speaker 12: a religious fire for whatever reason, because because you've kind
Speaker 12: of moved beyond that right and in many countries in
Speaker 12: the world, that's the basis of an election is basic
Speaker 12: religious polarization, this religion against that religion, and you don't
Speaker 12: get to do that anymore. So really all you have
Speaker 12: is abortion and guns, which kind of feel similar to
Speaker 12: religions in modern America.
Speaker 2: That's a fantastic point. And yeah, I mean the way
Speaker 2: that we do, like look at it quite literally probably
Speaker 2: worship gun culture and things like that. It is the
Speaker 2: way and the way it's evoked too. You know, like
Speaker 2: people even say that, you know, Jesus even is sanctioning weapons.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this in a very
Speaker 2: charitable interpretation for their own means.
Speaker 1: But again, like even when they think.
Speaker 2: Of like let's hope there's COVID twenty three or something
Speaker 2: that is going to completely change the conversation, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, abortion is a fundamental right and so one
Speaker 2: that probably becomes even more important if there's economic uncertainty.
Speaker 2: Like even if they're praying for a recession, I think
Speaker 2: people even be more concerned with, Oh, if with my
Speaker 2: financial outlook being a certain way, it's probably even more
Speaker 2: important to me to be able to decide when I'm
Speaker 2: having a family or I don't think people are like
Speaker 2: or the idea that you know, if they have this
Speaker 2: take of like Joe Biden is going to make America
Speaker 2: look weak to our enemies. I don't think suddenly your
Speaker 2: concerns about body autonomy go out the window. So it's
Speaker 2: a very it's just it's just this weird issue that
Speaker 2: they they keep holding on to. But it makes more
Speaker 2: sense if you consider that's like I think they're just
Speaker 2: hoping another issue comes up because they don't they'd rather
Speaker 2: make an election be like, look at how bad Joe
Speaker 2: Biden messed up the economy than them having to defend
Speaker 2: here's why we believe you shouldn't have any reproductive rights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do get nervous every time the
Speaker 1: Republicans are banking on a disaster because they have a
Speaker 1: way of like you know the story of Nixon and
Speaker 1: Kissinger prolonging the Vietnam War, Like they Nixon was running
Speaker 1: for president against Johnson's vice president, Johnson was about to
Speaker 1: like have a peace treaty, and they actively like went
Speaker 1: to Vietnam and sabotaged the peace treaty more like it's
Speaker 1: actually not gonna be a good deal. We'll get you
Speaker 1: a better deal and we're gonna win. Like is one
Speaker 1: of the most profound acts of evil that I feel
Speaker 1: like probably got a little memory hold because it didn't
Speaker 1: come out until like decades after. I think it was
Speaker 1: like the sort of shit that like people at the
Speaker 1: time were like Nixon so evil, who probably did that?
Speaker 1: But like he did do that, he did that shit right. Well,
Speaker 1: like they they will sabotage, they will cause the death
Speaker 1: of tens of thousands of Americans in order to get power.
Speaker 1: So anytime the Republicans are like betting on disaster. I'm
Speaker 1: always a little bit worried, especially when it ties to
Speaker 1: the economy, which is a complex system driven by Republicans,
Speaker 1: a bunch of rich people who are Republicans that like and.
Speaker 2: They could be the Arana in default too, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Through the obstruction.
Speaker 12: I think also if you consider that, especially elections, that
Speaker 12: I have a friend who's a politician, and he says,
Speaker 12: you know, the big mistake that people make is you
Speaker 12: think that people take a long time to make a
Speaker 12: decision about who they vote for. But if you're a politician,
Speaker 12: you understand that you have twenty seconds of a person's time.
Speaker 12: It's a second decision, and that any sort of big
Speaker 12: election issue that really warrants introspection is a complex, nuanced issue. Right,
Speaker 12: so what did Biden do to the economy, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 12: You got to go into that. But the reason they
Speaker 12: keep repeating the greatest hits because the greatest hits represent
Speaker 12: the minimum amount of words. It's literally grammar in election
Speaker 12: community low taxes, pro guns, pro choice. You know, they're
Speaker 12: just very easy to drive decisions. And so it's kind
Speaker 12: of disheartening to think about these gigantic issues just being
Speaker 12: boiled down to economy of words for communication, for reaching people.
Speaker 12: But economy of words gives you your father's reach. So
Speaker 12: it's actually a lot more simple than we think it is.
Speaker 2: Right and most like, Yeah, the term like thought killing
Speaker 2: cliche is also the other thing that's used. It's like, now,
Speaker 2: just once you hear that, it'll end any kind of
Speaker 2: further thought. Once you hear a certain talking.
Speaker 12: Less immigrants, more guns, lower taxes, you just understand. And
Speaker 12: so you have to keep the greatest hits.
Speaker 9: In their current form. So you have to keep talking
Speaker 9: about emotion, save.
Speaker 2: Babies despite Yeah, and it's like so funny too, because
Speaker 2: like even after the last election, Republicans are like, we lost,
Speaker 2: we got to do something about getting more suburban women, and.
Speaker 1: Then we got it. We got it.
Speaker 2: Spooky ghost stories about how baby Jesus got John the
Speaker 2: Baptist to kick his mommy's tummy, gave him a.
Speaker 1: Forced ghost high five through his mother's belly and they
Speaker 1: did a flip. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why you shouldn't make be able to
Speaker 2: have any decision making ability of your own body.
Speaker 1: Okay, both for us, Well, we have a new segment
Speaker 1: on this show. It's called Woke alerts because no, it's
Speaker 1: just a like some political action committee. Consumers Research is
Speaker 1: providing woke alerts to notify you when your favorite company
Speaker 1: get goes to woke. I mean it's I feel like
Speaker 1: we're seeing it with like the bud Light thing.
Speaker 15: I like that they said to alert out for black Rock.
Speaker 15: Yeah yeah really woke Wall Street. Yeah yeah, they always
Speaker 15: charge that woke Wall Street. But I mean this seems like,
Speaker 15: to be honest, it's easy to make fun of. It
Speaker 15: seems like a winning strategy to me because corporations are
Speaker 15: like very skittish, and you can control what a corporation
Speaker 15: thinks is happening with a mailing campaign or you know,
Speaker 15: getting twenty people to just send a bunch of angry
Speaker 15: emails to a corporate you know, like they're they're not
Speaker 15: they they're not like they don't have morals. They all
Speaker 15: they have is like they're doing their best to see
Speaker 15: what they think is making people happy, and everyone is
Speaker 15: afraid of being fired.
Speaker 2: And line go up. If line go up, then we're good.
Speaker 2: Make sure the line goes up, though, please.
Speaker 1: It's Consumer's Research is basically a lobbying firm under the
Speaker 1: guise of a consumer watchdog it's funded by dark money.
Speaker 1: They recently made the news for their effort to prevent
Speaker 1: Wall Street from factor and climate change into investment decisions,
Speaker 1: and it's they're just like launching a huge campaign to
Speaker 1: anything environmental social progress. They're going to be there to
Speaker 1: claim that it is woke. But like some of the
Speaker 1: stuff seems like confusing, Like it seems like they're like
Speaker 1: they freaked out when the American airlines like reduced leg
Speaker 1: room on flights, which, wait, that's woke. I guess that's
Speaker 1: woke They're they're claiming there.
Speaker 9: I mean, do they even define what woke is?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 9: Do we can anyone define what is?
Speaker 1: No? Nobody can. There's an author who just published a
Speaker 1: book about like how woke brain disease is killing our
Speaker 1: children and went on a TV show and they were like,
Speaker 1: so just define woke for us, because this is confusing
Speaker 1: to talk about this without having a clear definition. And
Speaker 1: she had no clue.
Speaker 2: She was just like, well, see what you just you
Speaker 2: just wrote a book about it. It's the hold ax.
Speaker 2: You let me find that clip because it's it's pretty fantastic.
Speaker 2: Oh here we go.
Speaker 8: Would you mind the finding? Well, because it's come up
Speaker 8: a couple of times, and I just want to make
Speaker 8: sure we're on the same page.
Speaker 11: So, I mean, woke is sort of the idea that
Speaker 11: this is going to be one of those moments that
Speaker 11: goes viral. I mean, well, is something that's very hard
Speaker 11: to define, and we've spent an entire chapter defining it.
Speaker 11: It is sort of the understanding that we need to
Speaker 11: rett totally re imagine and reduce society in order to
Speaker 11: create hierarchies of oppression. Sorry, it's hard to explain in
Speaker 11: a fifteen second SoundBite.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: Just again, thought killing clichs for them too?
Speaker 1: Oh, woke bad? That's bad. American airlines woke bad. Yeah
Speaker 1: that a better answer. Oh yeah, wok is bad.
Speaker 12: Is it really an election stance like anti wo because
Speaker 12: I remember seeing a couple of candidates that you guys
Speaker 12: had were like I'm going to get rid of the walk, etcetera.
Speaker 9: And yeah, like, okay, I went.
Speaker 12: To college in Gailsburg, Illinois, and so this is this
Speaker 12: is America, America, right. It's not New York America. It's
Speaker 12: not and every bit of American pop culture I've ever
Speaker 12: seen tends to ship on the Gailsburg, Illinois in the
Speaker 12: middle of the countries, you know, as if they're ignorant.
Speaker 9: Or is it?
Speaker 12: But these are just very hard working, very decent people.
Speaker 12: We want to pay their bills and watch The Bachelor
Speaker 12: and go to bed at night, right and and and
Speaker 12: I think if even if they were Republican, you went
Speaker 12: up to them and you're like, I'm anti woke, they'd
Speaker 12: be like, what the.
Speaker 9: Fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 12: You know, get the fuck off my farm or get
Speaker 12: the fuck out of my cafeteria.
Speaker 9: You know, So is it really a thing?
Speaker 1: I think what it's it? Is it?
Speaker 2: From my perspective, they have perfectly encapsulated the feeling of
Speaker 2: like white hegemony or like cis hed hegemony, and the
Speaker 2: creeping influence of people that want more inclusive language, that
Speaker 2: want a more inclusive society, and so those things. Because
Speaker 2: to them, they're saying, oh, I got to feel bad
Speaker 2: because now I got to use people's pronouns, people have
Speaker 2: preferred pronouns.
Speaker 1: That's woke.
Speaker 2: Oh I have to now I can't. I like, I'm
Speaker 2: We're supposed to teach like a good faith interpretation of
Speaker 2: American history to kids so they understand this.
Speaker 1: That's woke.
Speaker 2: So anything that upsets that balance or suddenly puts these
Speaker 2: people in a position they're like, oh, I got to
Speaker 2: feel bad about this, or I have to change the
Speaker 2: way I've been interacting with other people. That's how they
Speaker 2: just sort of deploy that word as a sort of
Speaker 2: the discomfort around any kind of progress that's occurring. And
Speaker 2: I guess it's becoming.
Speaker 12: Basically, yeah, it's not even what you define this progress,
Speaker 12: it's it's rewiring. Anything that requires rewired, Yes, would be
Speaker 12: easily determined as being allegedly bulk.
Speaker 1: Le leg room on an American Airlines flight. That's rewiring,
Speaker 1: my posture. But I think you're make a really good
Speaker 1: point that they by being the ones who focus on woke,
Speaker 1: like they are the ones who keep bringing this shit
Speaker 1: up over and over again. And we saw it in
Speaker 1: the last midterm elections that like people, you know, they're
Speaker 1: the ones who are talking about you know, trans people
Speaker 1: and like top surgery and you know, all these different
Speaker 1: things that people who live in Illinois, like where you
Speaker 1: went to college, might not care that much about, but
Speaker 1: they are like that becomes their talking point and like
Speaker 1: they own it, and they're the ones who are like
Speaker 1: talking about it, and I feel like it's also a
Speaker 1: losing political strategy, but it's one that gets a lot
Speaker 1: of attention and so they they're able to kind of
Speaker 1: profit off of it.
Speaker 12: And I think it tracks because you have such a
Speaker 12: large liberal media that picks it up as well on
Speaker 12: both sides tracts. But but I do think, like, Okay,
Speaker 12: I had host parents, and my host parents one of
Speaker 12: them was a cafeteria lady and one of them was
Speaker 12: a truckle, right, And I mean, to them, the fact
Speaker 12: that I was an Indian tespion was as alien as
Speaker 12: the fact that you know that somebody was woke, et cetera,
Speaker 12: et cetera. But I ventually say, if you went up
Speaker 12: to either of those people and you were like, oh
Speaker 12: my god, you got to use people's pronouns now, you know,
Speaker 12: et cetera, they'd be like, I'll call you a bottle
Speaker 12: of apple sauce if you want me to call you
Speaker 12: that shit. If my taxes go down, you know, or
Speaker 12: if my life is made easier. And to take sort
Speaker 12: of their narrative and make it about these things is
Speaker 12: almost to disregard their real narrative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even absolutely, because you know, I mean, on this level.
Speaker 2: The GOP especially has completely abandoned any kind of policy.
Speaker 2: There's nothing Everything they evoke has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: substantive policy. It's about these culture war grievances because they
Speaker 2: feel that I think they saw that that's energizing people
Speaker 2: more so in like a rallies type situation where people
Speaker 2: are coming out and they've seen like school like these
Speaker 2: school board meetings go up with a lot of people
Speaker 2: like I don't want my kids knowing about like slavery
Speaker 2: in this country or whatever, And I think they're very
Speaker 2: short sightedly being like, okay, that bottle that. While in
Speaker 2: the meantime, to your point, the very real situation of
Speaker 2: living in the United States is also a force that
Speaker 2: acts on everyone, and they're everybody is having to face
Speaker 2: inflation or unaffordable housing, or wage stagnation and limited options.
Speaker 1: For medical care.
Speaker 2: But because all of their things aren't really going to
Speaker 2: the heart of correcting those things, it's much easier just
Speaker 2: go straight to oh my god, remember when you used
Speaker 2: to be able to just sit, like just use slurs
Speaker 2: against gay people in public, and it wasn't you didn't
Speaker 2: get canceled and like that. To them, it feels like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's a better place to just operate from because we're
Speaker 2: not going to have a substantive policy debate right now
Speaker 2: because we've completely just normalized this sort of like culture
Speaker 2: war grievance thing as being the way we talk about politics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, both sides are focused on distracting people from the
Speaker 1: core thing that they actually care about, which is like
Speaker 1: their material well being. And you know, both sides would
Speaker 1: rather not have corporation's economic health matter more than their
Speaker 1: physical health. But that is the world that both sides
Speaker 1: actually want to keep in place, and so they generate
Speaker 1: a bunch of noise to distract people. Hopefully that is
Speaker 1: their goal.
Speaker 12: But I also think that it's a very interesting time
Speaker 12: for your country. And I say this respectfully, but you know,
Speaker 12: I think America is getting used to the fact that
Speaker 12: what used to be one seat at the table is
Speaker 12: now many seats at the table, you know, at least
Speaker 12: the global table. It's a different world we live in
Speaker 12: right now. Everybody's voice is equally amplified. But like I
Speaker 12: remember going to college in America in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 12: right in two thousand and two thousand and one, so
Speaker 12: just spit on nine to eleven.
Speaker 9: I feel like it didn't really.
Speaker 12: Matter who the president was at that moment in time
Speaker 12: in America, or at least it mattered less because you
Speaker 12: were so far ahead of the global back, you know,
Speaker 12: and there wasn't this big cultural conversation and everybody's voices
Speaker 12: weren't amplified. Your system had been so set that it
Speaker 12: really mattered very little who the president was, and whether
Speaker 12: you were Republican or Democrat, you were going to be
Speaker 12: okay no matter who the president was.
Speaker 9: And I feel like that's.
Speaker 12: Somehow changed now and now it really matters ideologically who
Speaker 12: the president is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think part of that too is just we've gone
Speaker 2: from I think there's gradual and a gradual increase in
Speaker 2: people actually trying to understand civics in this country now
Speaker 2: because I think a lot for the longest time, it
Speaker 2: didn't matter in like the boom years of the nineties
Speaker 2: for many people. But there are plenty communities that began
Speaker 2: to stagnate, and those were sort of like niche things
Speaker 2: that you would have to be really tapped into, like
Speaker 2: American culture that really care about. And now is like
Speaker 2: I think the degradation of like our infrastructure and all
Speaker 2: these things are becoming more widespread and felt people are
Speaker 2: beginning to understand more. It's like, oh, wait, what.
Speaker 1: Are these policies again?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 2: Right, before it used to be like, yeah, you care
Speaker 2: about babies, but abortion was never under threat, but then
Speaker 2: now it is, and suddenly it's like, well hold on now,
Speaker 2: like that that actually fucking matters to me. And so
Speaker 2: I think it's part and parcel of just how how
Speaker 2: difficult life is becoming for people, and also having to
Speaker 2: inform yourself of like you can't just be passive. But
Speaker 2: along what goes alongside of that is you have all
Speaker 2: these media apparatuses that are just there to get your
Speaker 2: attention and maybe say like, yeah, I know it could
Speaker 2: be about this, but let's talk about this other issue
Speaker 2: rather than you know, do we live in a corporatocracy
Speaker 2: with that are run by a bunch of plutocrats? And
Speaker 2: is that something we need to be concerned about.
Speaker 1: It's easier to say.
Speaker 2: The Republicans won't do anything about guns, and you know,
Speaker 2: the Republicans just go the Democrats are woke. When I
Speaker 2: think all people would rather say I would like to
Speaker 2: make more money at my job, I would like to
Speaker 2: afford at a house. I don't want to go into
Speaker 2: crippling debt because I want an education, like take take
Speaker 2: those points and make those real for me. Everything else
Speaker 2: is just to avoid the real reconciliation or the real
Speaker 2: reckoning that has to occur in this country, because that's
Speaker 2: I think one of our greatest strength as a culture
Speaker 2: is their ability to avoid a reckoning with a lot
Speaker 2: of the shit that's been going on and just kind
Speaker 2: of paper over the cracks until I don't know, it
Speaker 2: becomes completely untenable.
Speaker 12: Guys, I really think your election comes down to like
Speaker 12: a twenty minute debate, and it's very entertaining, but it
Speaker 12: really it will. That's the American election. It's that twenty
Speaker 12: minute debate. I think you you win and lose in
Speaker 12: that debate. It's really it's it's like watching gladiators. It
Speaker 12: really is watching election.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and that's the difference between potentially another global
Speaker 2: like military conflict, is because one guy made fun of
Speaker 2: one old white guy made fun of the other old
Speaker 2: white guy on a stage and people are like, yep,
Speaker 2: all right, that's it. He owned him own, he owned him.
Speaker 2: Oh then po, wait what I'm being conscripted?
Speaker 1: And who knows if there's even anybody still making up
Speaker 1: their mind at this point, who's still making up their
Speaker 1: mind about Donald Trump and Joe Biden? Like what is
Speaker 1: it even twenty minutes? Like what would it take for
Speaker 1: anybody to be like, wait, Donald Trump is running for president?
Speaker 1: This guy all right?
Speaker 2: Where let me see where he's at on the issues
Speaker 2: and then I'll get back to you. Right, all right,
Speaker 2: let's take you a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 7: And we're back, And so is.
Speaker 1: McDonald do you guys? McDonald They did it. They did it.
Speaker 1: So this is being treated as in some corners, probably
Speaker 1: just in places that are willing to regurgitate a McDonald's
Speaker 1: press release, but and be like this is a news
Speaker 1: story because we fired our entire news them. God, but
Speaker 1: there so McDonald's is soon going to offer. This is
Speaker 1: being treated like now you can get breakfast all day
Speaker 1: from McDonald's, which was like huge news for everyone, Like
Speaker 1: that news story was underrated, like the when McDonald's went
Speaker 1: to changing so that you can get McDonald's breakfast all
Speaker 1: day every day, Like yeah, we that that should have
Speaker 1: been a national holiday, big things, But this is this
Speaker 1: is bullshit. I'm going to say. They're they're going to
Speaker 1: offer individual packets a big Mac sauce for McNuggets, or
Speaker 1: just to accumulate and then bathe in. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the ultimate goal is here.
Speaker 4: You're spoiling my future YouTube content here.
Speaker 5: Jack again, I ask, what's the matter with that?
Speaker 7: By that?
Speaker 1: But you you have to order it through the app,
Speaker 1: which means that this is all about forcing customers to
Speaker 1: download the app and get access to more data. Because
Speaker 1: the entire like all these companies are like, we're yes,
Speaker 1: you know, when they get behind closed doors and talk
Speaker 1: to investors, everything from like credit card companies to you know,
Speaker 1: streaming companies, that they're all like, we're actually data companies.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. We know everything about customers and
Speaker 1: we make marketing to them easier. So anyways, I don't
Speaker 1: know that this doesn't I can't imagine. I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't like mentally come up with the person who is
Speaker 1: excited about getting access to big back sauce. Right, am
Speaker 1: I in the room with one of those people?
Speaker 9: First?
Speaker 1: Should ask is one of them present personally?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 4: But Kaitlin, we.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: I mean I don't eat really that much meat anymore,
Speaker 5: and definitely eat not many mammals. I don't know my
Speaker 5: diet is confusing. It's like I eat a mostly plant
Speaker 5: based diet, but sometimes I have meat cheat days, just
Speaker 5: sort of like the Fifth Sifth and the Camp Camp.
Speaker 5: I love a good wordplay meat cheat it, so I
Speaker 5: have my meat cheat days. But yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 5: I used to love Big Max and I got to
Speaker 5: say their sauce is tasty. But I'm not going to
Speaker 5: go out of my way to go get some.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not here to say that the Big Max
Speaker 1: sauce is not tasty or Big Max are not one
Speaker 1: of the great sandwiches. I'm just when you have a
Speaker 1: Big Mac copycat, it is the sauce is identical, like
Speaker 1: it ketchup, Like there's only really a couple of good ketchups,
Speaker 1: and like for whatever reason, they can't like nail ketch
Speaker 1: up other than like Hines and McDonald's does a pretty
Speaker 1: good job with their proprietary ketchup. But Big Max Sauce
Speaker 1: everybody's figured out and so like it's just doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like a thing to me personally.
Speaker 4: But this just feels like a little bit like late
Speaker 4: in the sauce game for it to be the thing
Speaker 4: that you're offering when it's like every other Burger place
Speaker 4: has been giving away that kind of sauce forever. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just like, you know, the Thousand Island substitutes have
Speaker 4: been out there for generations, and the it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, of course the Big Mac is unique,
Speaker 4: and the Big Mac sauce, it's like that's always been
Speaker 4: the thing. But it's it's just like it feels so
Speaker 4: late to the game to be like, and here's here's
Speaker 4: a sauce we're offering for the first time. It's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just everybody.
Speaker 1: Is twenty twelve, thank you, thank you, Hello.
Speaker 4: But I will say that, you know, incentivizing people to
Speaker 4: use an app has got to be the easiest thing
Speaker 4: to do these days, because people just want to check
Speaker 4: in on a thing and click a button and watch
Speaker 4: number go up until the point that it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: I get a free thing now. It's like the Starbucks
Speaker 4: app is toxic. It is toxic at being so good
Speaker 4: at getting me to buy more coffee so that line
Speaker 4: go up till I have one hundred and fifty stars
Speaker 4: and I can get a free latte.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like the Starbucks app was engineered by
Speaker 1: the same people who made Candy Crush. It's just like
Speaker 1: you quite live, it's fucked up.
Speaker 5: If you gamify something, it makes it. Yeah, the accountability
Speaker 5: and inspiration and motivation, all that stuff. The AMC app
Speaker 5: where it's like, if you spend more money on snacks,
Speaker 5: you get five dollars in which will buy you like
Speaker 5: half of a hot dog. But I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 5: need more popcorn so I can get a five dollars reward.
Speaker 1: Yes, please, I mean, if it fits.
Speaker 4: It's the fuck the thing where it's like, we have
Speaker 4: found a way to monetize every part of our lives
Speaker 4: to the point that are say, rather, the companies have
Speaker 4: found ways to monetize our habits such that like I'm
Speaker 4: already going to the movies, or I'm already going to Starbucks,
Speaker 4: or I'm already going to McDonald's or something like that.
Speaker 4: Why not just make it a little bit sweeter of
Speaker 4: a deal. And so I think maybe, while it might
Speaker 4: not encourage new people to download the app, because I
Speaker 4: think all of us here are like who gives a shit,
Speaker 4: people who are already using the app are now using
Speaker 4: it more being like, oh they added another deal. Well,
Speaker 4: Ladi da Ding Ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I've been on the McDonald's app for
Speaker 1: most of this recording, just checking out, just refreshing, seeing
Speaker 1: what's what's new, what the drive through wait time is
Speaker 1: at my three closest McDonald's.
Speaker 4: But placing orders of different stores, just getting them ready
Speaker 4: for later.
Speaker 1: Talking about like meat free and Big MacX that like
Speaker 1: that seems like the easiest beyond collaborate. I don't know
Speaker 1: have they done that the beyond Burger big they did.
Speaker 4: They did the mcplant which was their plant based, plant
Speaker 4: based patty, which they did for a little while, but
Speaker 4: they didn't do it as a Big Mac, right, No,
Speaker 4: they did not. Well, they also just discontinued. It wasn't
Speaker 4: very popular.
Speaker 1: The Big Mac patty gets lost, and they they could
Speaker 1: like be selling Beyond patties in Big Max for a
Speaker 1: year and not tell anyone and everyone to be like yop.
Speaker 1: So that's what they need to be doing exact So
Speaker 1: that this is my free advice to McDonald's, all right,
Speaker 1: And then some free advice for Netflix. Don't shut down
Speaker 1: your DVD service. I just remembered you had it now
Speaker 1: that you're shutting it down, and I want to use
Speaker 1: it again. This is if this was if this was
Speaker 1: like a marketing scheme to be like, our DVD subscriber
Speaker 1: numbers have dropped too low, let's pretend we're taking it away.
Speaker 1: It has succeeded because I like they so they They've
Speaker 1: announced that they're shutting down their DVD by mail business
Speaker 1: after twenty five years the DVD The Netflix DVD library
Speaker 1: was one of a kind, like over one one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand titles, so many films that just like are not
Speaker 1: available to stream anywhere, definitely not on Netflix. Netflix, by
Speaker 1: the way, has I think a total of thirty eight
Speaker 1: movies older than the year nineteen eighty and like ninety
Speaker 1: two older than the year nineteen ninety, right, so which
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, are there even ninety movies before nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety I actually don't know. I thought that's when they
Speaker 1: started making them. Yeah, But this is like I feel
Speaker 1: like I, you know, made the switch from doing the
Speaker 1: DVD thing when I, you know, stopped having a DVD
Speaker 1: player and when Netflix still had most things that I
Speaker 1: wanted to watch, And then as the streaming wars have
Speaker 1: kicked off, and like now you have to subscribe to
Speaker 1: like five different services to still have access to all
Speaker 1: the movies that you want to you used to be
Speaker 1: able to get like on Netflix. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: they I would go back to the DVD thing now, well.
Speaker 5: Two things. I don't know. I have to preface this
Speaker 5: that way, but I have a very a long relationship
Speaker 5: with Netflix DVDs where I started getting them like two
Speaker 5: or three years before anyone else I knew was getting them.
Speaker 5: I think I started flex receiving. Yeah, major brag. I
Speaker 5: liked it before it was cool, I think two thousand
Speaker 5: and four because I was like, I was a freshman
Speaker 5: in film school that year and I was like I
Speaker 5: need to watch movies all the time. So I like
Speaker 5: heard about it and everyone's like, what's this new Netflix thing?
Speaker 5: And I was getting my three DVDs at a time
Speaker 5: and I was cycling through them really making it worth it.
Speaker 5: And then I had Netflix DVDs long before DVDs were
Speaker 5: a medium that anyone was using. So because you still
Speaker 5: can get a bunch of stuff that you couldn't have
Speaker 5: access to streaming. And nowadays, if something isn't on a
Speaker 5: platform to stream for free on the subscription that you have,
Speaker 5: you can still rent most things for like whatever four
Speaker 5: bucks on YouTuber, Amazon or something like that. But there
Speaker 5: are enough things such as the Super Mario Brothers movie
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety three that does not exit. It's been scrubbed
Speaker 5: from the internet. You cannot rent it, by it, stream it.
Speaker 5: It just does not exist.
Speaker 1: You'd want to do with a movie that predicted nine
Speaker 1: to eleven.
Speaker 5: Exactly erase the evidence, but I would hazard a guess
Speaker 5: that that movie is available to like whatever, borrow or
Speaker 5: rent from Netflix DVDs. Same thing with Jamie and I
Speaker 5: and a guest. We're going to do an episode on
Speaker 5: the movie two hundred cigarettes doesn't exist anywhere. I can't
Speaker 5: rent it, can't buy it, can't stream it. You cannot
Speaker 5: do that with Crossroads there and other movies Crossroads, you know,
Speaker 5: the Britney Spears, Spears Class Wow, Wow. So you know
Speaker 5: at least those three movies and probably why why did
Speaker 5: it get scrubbed?
Speaker 1: That's me.
Speaker 5: But anyway, all this to say, I no longer have
Speaker 5: Netflix DBDs, but I kind of wish I did sometimes
Speaker 5: because there's things that I don't want to, like rent
Speaker 5: for four bucks, like I had to rent Sausage Party
Speaker 5: because Jamie and I did an upcoming episode on it
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I don't want anyone to have money
Speaker 5: from this movie. It's the worst movie I've ever seen,
Speaker 5: but I had to pay four dollars from it. I
Speaker 5: would rather just like play, pay like a lump subscription
Speaker 5: fee for something and then not feel like I have
Speaker 5: spent money on sausage Party.
Speaker 4: That was a weird way to say the best movie
Speaker 4: you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Miss Sorry. I just opened an old notebook from the
Speaker 1: early two thousands that I just had in my closet
Speaker 1: and I had a Netflix DVD there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that they are never getting back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did, like pay for I remember paying for it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm being responsible and you know that
Speaker 1: they're otherwise they would have been like charging me monthly
Speaker 1: for the rest of it, very honestly.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well, at least at least we know it's
Speaker 4: not your fault that that that is going out of business.
Speaker 1: You paid your dues.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Physical media. I mean this video game I really like
Speaker 4: called Death Stranding, where the entire thing is about we
Speaker 4: live in this post apocalyptic world where now people are
Speaker 4: like desperate for physical media, and this game has like
Speaker 4: quote unquote predicted so many things about like it came
Speaker 4: out before the pandemic and how everybody was stuck inside
Speaker 4: and the only thing that was available to do outside
Speaker 4: was be a delivery person and that felt so true.
Speaker 4: And the fact that they're delivering physical media and now
Speaker 4: we're in a time where physical media is just slowly
Speaker 4: disintegrating just to I don't know, it's it feels very sad,
Speaker 4: it feels very apocalyptic, and how we're just like losing
Speaker 4: the things that we have that we could actually physically
Speaker 4: hold on to. And preservationists, people with huge catalogs and
Speaker 4: huge things on their walls were used to be like, damn,
Speaker 4: why you got all them DVDs? Those people are saying, well,
Speaker 4: who's laughing.
Speaker 5: Now, I still have a binder full of DVDs, much
Speaker 5: like that one guy one time said he had a
Speaker 5: binder full of women. That's why I still have a
Speaker 5: bunch of books on my shelf. Like yeah, I like
Speaker 5: I like, yeah, books made the lead.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Books never got replaced by Kendall because for
Speaker 1: I don't know, probably for a number of good reasons,
Speaker 1: but maybe we should take another look at this, like
Speaker 1: it's it's it really feels like the corporations behind the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry have us exactly where they want us. When
Speaker 1: like you know, just or physical media that you could
Speaker 1: own and consume at home became a thing in the
Speaker 1: early eighties, they freaked the fuck out. Like they were like,
Speaker 1: you know, when VCRs came out, the like studios opposed
Speaker 1: the home video boom, they started like suing. They sued
Speaker 1: Sony to try and make it so they couldn't make
Speaker 1: like the Betamax, which was the original VCR, because they
Speaker 1: were like, this is going to We're just losing too
Speaker 1: much control of like how we display our films and
Speaker 1: how we're able to control them and like hold people
Speaker 1: hostage to be able to watch them. And because it
Speaker 1: wasn't modern America, the corporations lost out on that one,
Speaker 1: or I guess they lost to another corporation, so it
Speaker 1: still makes sense.
Speaker 5: Moder Did you know that porn was largely responsible for
Speaker 5: home media becoming so popular?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, porn is always at the forefront of everything.
Speaker 1: It's also like built the Internet, it built the home
Speaker 1: video boom.
Speaker 5: SpaceX more like Space XXX.
Speaker 1: Thank you You're welcome, almost made up. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: SpaceX baby. We were in Claire's Spiritually. I love it.
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