WEBVTT - Patriots Playbook 7/24: Training Camp Day 1 Review 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:04.680 This is Patriots Playbook. Is my turn to talk now. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:10.720 He's your host of Patriots Playbook, John Rook bad as select. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.720 Yeah, baby, we welcome you into the playbook. It's my 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.040 microphone on Matt. Okay, good. I just want to make 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.000 sure having a hard time hearing we're in the new 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.880 studio here. Oh there it goes. Hey look at this. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:28.280 This is pretty in here. Huh wow. I'm really impressed 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.160 by this. You did a good job, built it all myself. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:32.879 I was about to say, did you build this all 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:33.559 by yourself? 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.000 This is mystic engineers, the. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.520 Mystic engineer or should we give them credit? That mystic engineer? 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:39.480 I think they did a great job. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:43.199 Okay, all right, good, Yeah. So if you're watching the 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.040 stream on Patriots dot com, then you can see that 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.559 we've actually got some new digs in here. Uh and uh, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.160 it's interesting. We're kind of squeezed into one corner around 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.680 the studio and the lights are pretty damn bright. That's 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.800 all I can tell you right now. But it's all good. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.520 We have to work out all the bugs in here, 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.919 right and I'm sure we will. But who complained first? 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.680 Was it Fred or was it Paul? It was Paul? 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.679 Right, didn't want the chairs, wanted the desk. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:13.440 Wanted the desk. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.280 Okay, he's got used to the chairs by now, Okay. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.200 All right, okay. I kind of liked the desk a 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.679 little lower than the old desk though, you know, because 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.080 I always felt like I was getting up in my 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:22.600 high chair. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.040 Well that was you know, for old listeners. The old 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:26.560 desk was so high for Andy to feel tall. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.040 That's why they built it like that, right, because Andy's 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.800 high chair. Yeah, high chair, got it. Okay, I got it. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.720 So anyway, pretty cool stuff in here. We welcome into 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.480 the playbook. It's our training Camp edition. Today is the 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.399 first day of NFL training Camp, which is really cool. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.039 So we're glad that the schedule worked out that we 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.000 could be able to do the show today on the 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.040 day one of training camp. We're gonna get to a 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.880 lot of different stuff. You''re streaming at home and you're 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.840 probably figuring out, Hey, I got some nice looking young 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.320 people in the studio with me, and we mentioned this 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.960 last month. We'll mention it again here. But our July 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:05.680 show is traditionally part of our sports broadcasting pre college 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.200 program at Dean College. And I have sixteen want to 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:17.600 be Kevin Harlan's, Mark Jones's, I don't know at a Brooks. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.799 You don't know John Brooks. No, no, no, they don't 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:21.360 want they want to They want to make more money 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.800 than John Rook. Trust me on that one, right, Aaron 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.880 Andrews is right. People like that. Okay, so that's kind 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.520 of where we are with that. But I'll introduce everybody 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.080 here in just a moment. But the idea of the 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.600 show today because these guys covered camp today, all right, 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:42.280 So everybody covered camp. Everybody had a specific assignment in 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:46.600 order to be able to cover camp today. And so 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.040 they're going to bring you their thoughts, their research, their opinions, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.560 and we want you to also join the show. So 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.359 somebody says something you agree with, don't agree with, want 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.360 to argue with, get into a little fisticuffs with. All right, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.240 Well you'll have to do with Chase over here first. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.080 And Chase is a football player, so he'll probably you know, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.760 you know, I don't know, you leg whip them, what 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.120 would you do? Bench press them? What would you tackle them? Okay? 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.040 I like that one. That one works. But you're welcome 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.919 to that eight five five pats five hundred. The toll 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.680 free telebe number eight five five p A T S 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.880 five hundred. You can also get ahold of us on 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:26.120 the program the regular ways that we always have open 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.720 web radio at Patriots dot com. The email address you 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:34.640 can hit up my X address at JR Broadcaster on 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.320 X and you can also hit my Facebook page a 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.000 John dot rook if you want to do that and 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.200 file your questions that way. All right, so let me 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.240 introduce everybody here from left my left to right so 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.800 you can understand who's yapping at you today. Chase Stevens 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.360 is actually going to be an incoming freshman at Dean 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.960 College and we'll be on the football team. This false 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.680 of Chase. Welcome. Appreciate you, thank you for being here, 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.040 Thank you for having me. What do you think of 0:03:59.080 --> 0:03:59.720 our new studio? 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.320 I think it is beautiful. Everything here is just amazing. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.400 You know that, the desks, the seats, Yeah, everything is here. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.400 Yeah. And you don't have to feel like you're getting 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.720 up a high chair. So that's really good. I think 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:12.920 we can all appreciate that. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:13.680 Uh. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:19.200 Daniel Piaseki Daniel is uh? Are you also coming into 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.440 Are you a senior or you're going to be a freshman? 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.080 So I'm going to my junior year. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.320 Junior year, yes, okay, and where you and where do 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:25.640 you live? 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:26.040 Uh? 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.240 So I live in Randolph, Vermont, which is near the capital, Montpelier, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:31.640 about thirty five minutes south. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:36.360 And yeah, I didn't realize we're getting good geography. Listen. Okay, So, Daniel, 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:37.440 thanks buddy, appreciate you. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:38.200 Uh. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.600 To my immediate right is Jack grossek that I pronounce 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.680 it right, It's Grassic? Okay, I already screwed it up. Okay, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.839 Well that's okay, it's one today. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:49.480 Close are the mics everybody? 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.440 Yeah? So Jack Grassic? Thank you? What year are you 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.000 in school? Going into my senior year, going into your 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.840 senior year? And you are from Rye, New York? Okay, right, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.520 New York? Are you a Jets fan? Giants fans fan 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.200 Giants fan? Okay, I can almost accept that. I mean, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.520 it's it's I mean, there are a lot of Patriots 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.200 fans that will hate the Giants forever because they ruined 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.799 you know, seventeen and zero. But at the same time, 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.599 you know, the Patriots have more championships than the Giants do, 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.000 So I guess you have to look at the big picture. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.720 Right, Well, something happened in twenty ten. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.600 What happened in twenty ten? I don't know. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.160 It might have been Giants Patriots. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.120 Oh okay, well that's just one. That's just one. Although 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.360 the Giants are undefeated against the Patriots in the Super Bowl. 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.159 I guess we should mention that Adelina Auben is the 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.760 young lady on our first panel here today, and she 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.120 is a senior and goes to Mount Saint Charles Academy 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.599 in one socket, Rhode Island. Right, yes, okay. And I 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.120 mentioned Aaron Andrews because I think you said when we 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.560 got started a couple of days ago, that that's the 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.280 kind of job that you'd like to have. Is that 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:57.800 still right? 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:58.640 Yes, that's right. 0:05:58.680 --> 0:05:59.440 But tell tell me. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.440 Why I like being in front of a camera. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.640 I like sports. I think it's interesting you get to 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.400 tell athlete story through recording and stuff like that. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.240 Yeah, I think that'll work. That would definitely work. She's 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.200 good enough, good looking enough to be on camera, don't 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.640 you think, guys? Yeah, absolutely, that helps. Okay, you can't 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.919 be an ogre with big warts on your nose. That's 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.800 not gonna work. No one wants to look at that. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:23.479 They don't want to look at me. I think this 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.279 is the worst decision this program ever made by putting it, 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.800 you know, the television stream on Patriot dot Com. But 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.880 I didn't have any says so because Fred made me 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.560 do it. So that's just kind of the way we 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.440 roll here, all right. So I've got Adelina, I got Jack, 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:36.919 I've got Daniel, I've got Chase. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:37.120 Here. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.320 They're the first of four groups that will actually be 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.640 with us here on the program today. We have four 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.599 major topics of discussion that we're gonna get to today. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.360 And I mentioned this when I put the show out 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.920 on social media earlier today, because right now, I mean, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.760 let me start this way. What were your overall impressions 0:06:55.800 --> 0:07:00.200 of day one at practice today? What you saw out there. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.039 We didn't see a whole lot of exact stuff. We 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.400 saw a lot of drill work, right, We saw a 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.360 lot of kind of going through the motions. I mean, 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.680 there was a little bit of seven on seven, there 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.720 was a little bit of eleven on eleven. There was 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.680 no hitting because nobody had on full pads today and 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.440 full pad practice isn't gonna start really for another week 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.080 or so. So what were just your overall impressions of 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.280 kind of taking it in Well. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.160 First, I want to say all the guys when we 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.520 met him, they were very nice, too awesome. And then 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.080 I felt like that there's lots of a competitive energy 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.200 there also at the camp too. I could tell that 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:39.080 many people are like gunning for some spots. And I 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.120 think that there were good vibes all around, and I 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.920 think that it will be I think it was a 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:46.680 good start for the first AID training game. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.600 Good vibes all the way around. I guess we need 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:53.760 to play a little beach boys in here. Good good vibe. Okay, Chase, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:54.960 what did you think day one? 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.440 I think it proved a lot. I think Jalen Rieger 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.240 is really a great wars for the Patriots. I saw 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.760 him catch so much crazy passes by Drake May and 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.280 Dreck Oversa. I feel like the whole receiver corps could 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.600 really be great for this new Patriots team, new offense. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.120 I feel like the defense is really good. We saw 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.680 some breakups in the passes, some d line rushing the 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.680 pass or too. It looked really good. The old line 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.080 looked really good too. I think it's gonna be a 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.480 great season for the Patriots. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.880 Okay, Well, that's a pretty thorough recap, I would agree 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.280 with you as far as the receivers are concerned. I honestly, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.840 I'm excited to see some of those young guys, you know, 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.480 I want to see you know, Polk especially uh since 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.080 he torched Mialma Mater in the national semifinal last January. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:48.360 But that I'm hoping whoever ends up being the quarterback 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.480 by mid season and beyond, if they end up, you know, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.640 going that route, I'm hoping that they find the go 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.800 to answer out of the guys that they have on 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.440 the roster. Jack, what did you think overall day one 0:08:59.480 --> 0:08:59.960 of practice? 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.560 Uh, it's just similar to what Chase said about their 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.040 receiving corps. I mean, Drake May had a few really 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:11.199 nice connections, especially Osbourne and Javon Baker, throwing really deep 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.240 sometimes he was just contest in the pocket, got out 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:15.240 and made his pass and ran. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.760 Okay, Adelena, you want to add anything to that. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.320 Yeah, I kind of agree with. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:22.960 Whomever. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.200 Yeah, Daniel said, sorry everybody's name for a second. Daniel said, 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.679 everyone was very nice when we were talking to them 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.760 after when they were giving out signatures. They were all 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.120 really extremely nice and they all seem to be in 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.480 really good spirits after camp and stuff like that. So 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.160 I think going into that having that attitude is really 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.640 good for a starting point for them. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:45.000 It's probably not a surprise that, you know, they would 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.760 have good attitudes going in. It's just day one. They 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.880 haven't had to sweat. Basically, nobody's popped them in the mouth, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.439 no coaches really yelled at them yet. So, I mean, 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:56.920 day one a camp, it is like day one a 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.240 kindergarten as far as i'm p you know, it's, hey, 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.040 let's everybody make nice and play. You know, blocks are 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.439 over there, crayons are over there. I mean that's kind 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.520 of how the first day at camp really goes. But 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.120 we'll find out more once they put on the pads 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.320 and things start popping, and that won't happen until probably 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.960 next week, by around midweek next week, or I think 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.440 day off next week is Wednesday, so probably by Thursday 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.800 next week, another week, and then we'll see, you know, 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.160 this get a little bit more physical, all right. So 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.680 the question that we had for you guys, and to me, 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.480 this is almost the number one question overall for the 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.240 Patriots going into the new season, going into training cap 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.760 this being day one today, and I know that This 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.720 is front of mind for almost every fan that follows 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:50.520 this team because other than having a new coach and 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.720 coach Belichick moving on and Drod Mayo and his staff 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.839 coming in new is the first time that there's been 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.600 this kind of a changeover in the staff in more 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:03.040 than twelve over twenty years. You know, there's another new 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.520 quarterback that they hope that they will find a way 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.440 to come in and be, you know, maybe even half 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.360 as successful as a guy named Tom Brady was. So 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.040 the first question of the day really has to do 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:22.120 with the quarterbacks on this roster, but more specifically Brissett 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.959 versus may at the quarterback position. And I just kind 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.560 of like to know what you guys think, because I 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.400 know we all know, and I think even the players know, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.680 and I think Jacoby Brissett knows. He knows when he 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:39.040 was brought in here that the job maybe his right now. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:43.000 But they drafted Drake Maye for a reason. They drafted 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:47.760 him to be the future of the franchise, the future 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.880 face of the franchise, the future you know, TB twelve 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.840 of the franchise, whatever you want to call it. So 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.080 that's what they did, and I'm curious to know what 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.240 you guys think. What the pros and the cons are 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:03.520 of starting the rookie over the veteran at quarterback. What's 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.280 good about it? What's bad about it? What should the 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.559 Patriots do? Do you have an opinion one way or 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.040 the other? Uh Drod Mail went out of his way 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.080 when the team reported on Tuesday to say that Brissett 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.240 was his starter. Brissette is his starter. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:19.640 So. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.920 We'll assume sometimes it's difficult when he assumes you gotta 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.880 watch that, but will assume that the job is open 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.840 for competition, right, and that you know, the rookie can 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.719 work his way in. Or maybe I don't know. Am 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.120 I leaving out? You know? You know Bailey's appy? Am 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:40.959 I leaving out? You know? Joe Milton? I mean, I'm 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.240 leaving these guys out of the competition here, although clearly 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.800 one of them is going to stick simply because of 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.680 the way the roster breaks down, and you can never 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.760 have too many. So let's start with, you know, Brissett 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.800 versus May and see how these other guys kind of 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.160 fit in. What were your impressions of what you saw 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.080 the two guys today atally? And I'll start with you. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.400 I would say that Prissette, I think he already knows 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.880 that when they drafted May that he would probably be 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.040 a leader to him, so he would kind of just 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.000 follow in like the veteran. He's a veteran, so he's 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:13.880 gonna guide him in the background of it and stuff 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.000 like that. And I think them have Patriots having a 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:20.160 very young receiver as their like receiver, that I think 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.760 that starting a new quarterback can help them like grow, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.640 and that Brissette will help him as well. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.400 Okay with that, Okay, all right, but once you jump 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:28.800 in on this, all right, Chase, go. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.880 Yeah, what's called when when you put a young quarterback 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.600 out there without any help you need Like look at 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.280 Zach Wilson at the Jets. Yep, he didn't not have 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.120 any help the first year. He just got thrown into there. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.480 That's why he didn't do that good. Second year when 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.920 he tried, they got Aaron Rodgers, right, he got injured 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.000 the first game, so he couldn't really really developed. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.120 We still don't know where Rodgers is going to go, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.640 right until we actually see him out there in the field. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.880 Right, Yeah, So we could have really developed Zach Wilson 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.319 as good as he could have been That's that's why 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.800 I feel like they should really just put in Jacob Bersett. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.960 Jacob said, for like the first half of the year. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.520 Let Drake May put in the next half of the year. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.440 See how good he could do with the Patriots in 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:16.360 their new offense. 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.839 Okay, all right, Daniel, you want to jump in on 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.400 this too and let me know what you think about. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:25.280 You know, the advantages of taking a guy like Drake 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.320 May and throwing him in the fire early. Is there 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.400 such a thing? Yeah? 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.640 I mean, like, I mean, I kind of also wanted 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.800 to add on to what Jay said about then giving 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.720 May maybe some experience. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.280 To see what it's like, just. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.680 Uh maybe on the bench for a couple of games, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:45.640 just to see, I mean, because obviously NFL experience is 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.480 like a lot different from college. So I think that 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.320 him having a couple of games is to see what 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.720 the defense is like, reading that maybe from the bench, 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.760 seeming like on his tablet and stuff, and then with 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.200 help from verseet and but then to answer you your 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.240 question about what would be good about him maybe being 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.720 thrown at the fire is I mean, remember what you 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:09.360 were telling us about getting reps being announcer, him getting 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.120 reps as quarterback in this level be I mean great. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.840 Yeah see. I to me, that's the key here because 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.480 you know, and you guys know this. I've preached this 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.680 over the last few days since you know, we started 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.800 your camp experience, so to speak. But I just think, 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.400 I mean, I learned to swim, guys, when I was 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.680 five years old and the teacher threw me into the 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.600 deep end of the pool. Yeah right, I mean I 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.920 learned just you know, and he basically said swim, and 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.720 so I had to learn to claw my way back up. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.600 I think there's something to be said for that. Now. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.400 Was he gonna let me drown? No, there's someone hovering 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.240 over you, and so to me, Jacoby Brissette is the 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.640 kind of guy who's hovering over. He's gonna catch the 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.320 rookie if he starts drowning. And I think the coaching 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.920 staff and do that obviously, Alex vand Peldic Ofvins according 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.360 quarterback coach, he's going to do that if they see 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.880 the rookie having trouble. But if you're going to expend 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.040 the number three pick of the draft on a quarterback, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.640 you have to know that he's got to be your guy. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.760 You think enough of the player to take him that high. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.680 He has to be your guy. Why are we going to, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:22.680 you know, baby him. I'm of the opinion we need 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.000 to see what he can do pretty quickly. Now. If 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.560 we find out very quickly that he's over his head, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.200 we can make that adjustment. I also understand the other 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.080 side of it, because you don't want to risk okay, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.960 and I guess this will probably be a familiar euphemism 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:40.760 over the next you know, a few weeks and months. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.560 But we don't want to pull a mac Jones here. Okay, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.920 we don't want to, you know. Yeah, And we don't 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.880 want to be able to ruin the guy, you know, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.680 and give him wrong direction. And I'm not sure May 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.600 is that kind of guy. But let's face it, you know, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.280 the coaches really are to blame for you know, Mac 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:02.120 Jones's experience here. I don't really blame Mack even though 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.800 he's a different quarterback. And I know that we couldn't 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.160 even be probably mentioning his name when we're on the show, 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:11.119 But I'm doing it in reference because nobody wants Drake 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:15.200 May to turn out similarly. I don't think he's going 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.880 to number one. Let's remember that Drake May was selected 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.879 higher in the draft relatively speaking to where mac Jones 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.080 was taken, even though they were both still first rounders. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.840 Different set of circumstances, different head coach, different offensive coordinators, 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.560 so it's a lot different. But to me, I think 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:37.000 they know more than just I don't know more than 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.359 just you know, throwing in seven and sevens and eleven, 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.439 and we need to see some you know, when the 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.159 pads pop. I want to see what he's doing. I 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.679 want to see what he's capable of. Now. The entire 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.760 issue with this also hinges I believe on the offensive 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.360 line in front of him, whether or not they can 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.200 you know, protect for you know, naturally for him. Anyway, Jack, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.840 I'm wondering if if what you see and what you 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.320 studied on both of these guys going in, if you 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:08.840 see anything other than Drake should start? What about Jacoby 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:13.440 in particular? And do you go along with the kind 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.960 of the thought process here bringing the rookie lung more 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.920 slowly or would you like to see him thrown into 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:18.320 the fire. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.760 Well, I feel like kind of exactly what you said 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.600 about it's problematic. We don't want to have a mac 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:25.440 Jones situation. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.119 I feel like this team shouldn't be rushing anybody like 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.680 they rushed Mac Jones. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.480 And he can develop on the bench. I mean, this 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:34.399 team isn't. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.000 Trying to win the Super Bowl this year, and they're 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:39.760 probably not going to try and do that for next 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.359 two three years maybe, So now is the time where 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.600 you have a few years. Let's be patient, Let's let 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.880 him develop on the bench. Then throw him out there, 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.800 right and then have perseet for when something happens. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.600 What if we throw him out there, guys, and he 0:18:55.720 --> 0:19:00.879 fails miserably? I mean, what happens then? Because then you 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.119 have no backtrack? Okay, now what do we do? Do 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.200 you go back to Jacoby? You have to go back 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.879 to the draft. Do you let your third quarterback, whoever 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:09.679 wins that job, do you let them come in and 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.639 take a shot at it? And we're really kind of 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:15.760 right back to where we were a year ago and more, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.959 you know, two years ago even, And I'm just wondering 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.439 if that really serves a purpose at all. What do 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:21.840 you think? 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.560 I feel like, if he fails, you got to give 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.000 him more time to develop. That's the point of developed players, 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.280 because like if they fail, you have that veteran leadership 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.400 to get him better and better. You know, with Jacoby 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.800 Brissett there, if he starts feeling, you can put Jacoby 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.760 back in because he has that veteran experience, so he 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.600 knows what it's like to like fail to be. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:44.040 In the back. 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.639 So like he could teach him all about like what 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.520 to do in the offense, what to do when it's 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.720 pressure on you, how to throw it deep all that. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:54.440 Yeah. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.400 Ok, And just to add on to what Chase is saying, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:03.560 I think I think sometimes people try to just like 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.720 focus on perfection. And then for an example, last year, 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.600 you saw a rookie quarterback for the Text and c J. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:10.160 Stroud. 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.400 He comes in as a rookie and he has an 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.560 outstanding year in my opinion, But I think that like, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.800 not everyone's gonna have that as a rookie. You know, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.240 you kind of have to, like we've been saying, give 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.360 time for them to ease into the situation because everyone's 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:29.000 situation is different. So I think that when May also 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.639 gets used to I mean like his receivers, his running backs, 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:39.040 his linemen, uh, And I mean then also the defenses 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.240 in college are a lot different than in the NFL. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.880 In the NFL, there's like tight like not as much space. 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.879 So I think that when May gets used to that, 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.160 I think it, I mean, will be good for him. 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.240 And then also Brissette will definitely be helping him with 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.000 breaths and stuff and just be NFL quarterback. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.159 How does this and then you know, anybody cance this, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:08.240 But how does this scenario as just playing out help 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.480 or hurt the team? The guys that have to rally 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.960 around whoever is under center, whoever is the quarterback, and 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.840 whoever wins this battle? You know, are we you know? 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.959 Is is Jacoby just babysitting the job until Drake you know, 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.239 can get rid of the training pants and move up 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.240 into it. How does that affect the team? 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.280 I think it really it's really good for the team 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.080 because Jacoby Satt is a really good quarterback. 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.120 He saw by the coach a few years ago. 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.320 Even at the Commanders last year he got him two 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.919 times and he was really good. So I feel like, 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.639 whoever route they want to go, I think it's a 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:47.960 really good route. Drake May put him at a start. 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.399 Jacob Brissett, you can start him. They're both good. Does 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:52.640 it doesn't matter which. 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:54.679 So it shouldn't matter all to the team. Anybody what 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:55.640 anybody different that. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.080 With that, I feel like Brissette has more experience with 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.920 game experience, but like the NFL, he just got mega 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.399 out of college, so he's not really used to the 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:08.760 game speed, or the defensive schemes or anything that goes 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:10.680 on in the game. So I feel like you would 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.520 have to sit the bench for a couple of games 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.680 and have Brissette start before he jumps in and sees 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:17.679 how the game is played and what he needs to 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.000 do and learn those schemes and. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.480 Stuff like that. But let me ask you this. Let's 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.479 say Drake comes in and just rips it apart for 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.840 the rest of training camp here. You know, maybe he 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.359 has a particularly good exhibition game you know that's coming 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.800 up here, or you know, when the Eagles come in 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:33.760 and they're expected to be a Super Bowl contender in 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:35.679 the NFC this year, when they come in and they 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.760 do the joint practice is in a couple of weeks 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:43.840 and Drake shines, right, do you still think Jacoby should 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.600 you know, start the first couple of games that count 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.360 and continue to bring him along or do you try 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.920 to ride some of the momentum that the rookie quarterback 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.600 may have built up for himself and put him out there. 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:56.919 I'm just curious how you guys feel, because to me, 0:22:57.560 --> 0:22:59.920 I'm always one that likes to play the hot hand. Yeah, 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.679 you know, it's a baseball analogy. But look if the 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.159 guy is four for his last six of the plate 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.480 with three knocks, you know, I guess what, dude, you're 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.560 in the lineup today. You're not taking a day off. 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.280 That's how I kind of look at it. I want 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.480 him in there and playing now. The other side of 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.639 that is is that, well, okay, you're putting your star, 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.120 You're putting your future hope at risk in a game 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:26.280 that might be meaningless until the regular season starts, and 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:27.800 then they're going to kind of you know, they'll start 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:31.760 to count. So just kind of curious how you balance 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.959 the two and is there a right way to handle this. 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:36.040 I'm not sure. 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.880 I don't think at least that's an honest answer. That's 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:39.840 an honest answer. 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.200 Well, I mean he hasn't played an NFL game yet. 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:47.840 Yeah, so having the critique of oh, this these are reps, 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.880 but these it's like he could also get injured. It's like, no, 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:52.840 he needs the reps. You could say any game you 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:53.600 would get injured. 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.879 You know that's true. Okay, yeah, what are we missing 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.320 here about this whole quarterback derby? This is whatever everybody 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.600 wants to talk about. We know that. You know, hey, 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.880 when we talked about this in our class yesterday, when 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.320 I brought this topic up, you know, you guys are happy. 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.480 The rest of the classes are like, oh, they got 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.920 the quarterback because that's what everybody wants to talk about. 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.760 I understand that. From a fans perspective, Yeah, sure, this 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:20.280 is the future of this team. Everybody is so anxious 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.560 to see, you know, Patriots fans anyway, the rest of 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:24.639 the NFL is kind of like, oh, God, go away. 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:28.480 But yeah, but I'm waiting for that moment, waiting for 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.080 that moment when you know, media can say, hey, maybe 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.000 the Patriots are back a little bit quicker than normal. 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.320 What's the best way to get there? What I mean? 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:39.600 You know, this is a it's a it's an overwhelming story. 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.640 You clearly don't think it will harm the team one 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.080 way or the other, because the team is going to 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:47.480 be Hey, we'll be whoever's out there, We're going to 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.920 rally around, which is a good, veteran way, an experienced 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.320 way to look at it. I'm just I'm kind of 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:57.439 fishing for for negatives here, for lack of a better phrase. 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.159 I mean, I think that kind of what you were 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:07.000 saying about what would make like capitalize like the playmakers 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:10.040 on the roster, and I think that I mean, again, 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:13.720 like we've said a lot, having like the veteran leadership 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:18.800 for not just the quarterback situation, but with kJ Osborne 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.640 who's been in the league for some time, and then 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:26.480 with Polk and Baker, I think then he'll Polk and 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.680 Baker will definitely learn from Osbourne. 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:31.440 And then I think just. 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.159 Having your playmakers like the new, like the new, the 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.679 new guys on the team, having like a support system 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:48.000 that will increase not just their skill but just like 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:52.400 their mental approach of playing NFL football. 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:56.159 Okay, anybody want to add to what Daniel said there? 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.760 Good with that? I almost forgot Okay, I'm supposed to 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:00.520 do this at the top of the show for good. 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.879 Hey Patriots fans. If you want to see Toyota's best offers, 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.760 including those not seen on TV, go to buy a 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:11.080 Toyota dot com. It's Toyota's official website for deals from 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.600 the official vehicle of the New England patriots, Toyota. Let's 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.120 go places. You guys want to take a phone call? Yeah, okay, 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:21.000 we want to do that. Eldred all right, Eldred's up first. 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.760 Eldred's been sitting there. Oh, I got this control of myself. 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.440 Look at this. The monitor is eight miles away from 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.040 in here. Let me see if I can do this. Oh, 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.360 you got him, you got him. I popped them on, Eldred. 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:33.000 What's up man? 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:35.679 Hey, mister legend, what's up? 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:35.960 Baby? 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:36.200 Yeah? 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:38.119 I see why we yeah, I see why we get 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.439 along with both Campus July second. 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:44.080 Okay, well then, happy belated to you too, bro. 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:46.520 Yes sir, yes sir. 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.160 Are we traveling today? Uh? 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.080 No, I'm off today. I took a day off. Good 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.080 for you, the batteries for a little bit. 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.040 I got you, I got you. And plus it's day 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.280 one of training camp, right right, okay, right. 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.800 I wish I could have saw more, but I heard 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.679 something from from the p U crew and this and that, 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:09.080 and I'm just you know, I got my palm, palm ready, 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.399 popcorn ready, crying towel. 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:13.200 Ready to cry. 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:15.520 Because crying tile too. 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:18.200 Yeah, so you think it could? You think you could 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:19.040 still be ugly? Then? 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:23.400 Huh uh yeah, yeah. 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:23.239 Uh. 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:29.879 It's because it's new new players, new coaches, the first 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:34.040 time the regimes done changed over. So you know, expectations 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.800 ain't that high, but it's a little high, you know. 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.399 So I just hope, just I just hope, you know, uh, 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:45.160 just they got to suck a toughest schedule, so it's 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.720 gonna be a little rough, you know. I just hope 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:48.960 I can have my mom if I can laugh a 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.000 little bit instead of being the better of the joke 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:52.000 like I was last year. 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.439 But other than that, okay, all right, I take that. 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:56.960 What do you think of the question that that you know, 0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:00.320 our first team has to kind of discuss your today 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:04.680 in the whole reset versus may derby a quarterback? I 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.200 think I know which corner you fall in, but maybe 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:11.239 you can sort of enlighten everybody here. If Drake is 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.000 ready to play, should he? 0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.160 Yes, sir, uh he should. If he's ready to play, 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:23.159 you should? You picked him three overall, and I'm like 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.080 you and like, well, some of those guys I used 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.639 to coach to not not professionally. So I went with 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.520 the guy who was better, and I took my lump, 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:37.000 and I also took my win, you know, so that's 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.760 what you have to do. You're gonna take it either 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.600 way it goes. Was it either rookie or the second 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.880 year of quarterback or a three year quarterback? Because everybody 0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.960 gonna make mistakes, because everybody just see about just third 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.360 team and everything. So but I started right off the back. 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.960 You got him number three overall. Put him out there, 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:59.840 bad line or no bad line, and see and see. 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.520 All right, let's say again, just for argument's sake here, 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:08.000 let's say that Jacoby Brissett is clearly the better of 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.000 the two guys in training camp, and Drake is a 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.360 little behind the eight ball. Maybe he's not picking it 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.120 up as quickly, and I have seen nothing in day 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.400 one that would indicate that would happen. But we didn't 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.280 see a heck of a lot today. We saw little 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.120 eleven and eleven, We saw little seven on seven right, 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.120 guys seemed to be a bit okay. But he didn't 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.480 get all of the reps. You know, I saw Jacoby 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:32.200 Brissett with several reps. All four quarterbacks got reps today, 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.160 So they did a pretty good job of I think 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:38.000 splitting things relatively even. But let's just say for argument's 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:42.880 sake that May is not better than Jacoby, then what 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:43.240 do you do? 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.040 I said him for a whole year. Okay, I'll go 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:51.040 I ride with Jacoby, you know, and then May he's learning, 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.080 you know, because I'm gonna be honest, I'm not into 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.720 May Camp. I wasn't doing the draft procedure. 0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.600 Yeah, I remember that, you know, I remember that. 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.280 And like I tell everybody, I ain't from Missouri, but 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.560 you got to show I see them two years in 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.960 North Carolina and here he'll do some plays that well 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.920 while the heck got again, and you you think, okay, 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:12.920 this guy got it, he got it. Then you see 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.200 some players like what the heck? You know, what was 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:19.280 you thinking? You know? And it's just that he proved 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.760 me prove otherwise. And this game is a little bit 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.280 faster than college. And like I said, everybody keeps saying, well, 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.320 you ain't. I'm giving them a chance. But I see 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.800 him get better teams and better defense. And he bowled. 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.400 He can't throw good in cold weather and in the rain, 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.280 because like you said, he never been out North Carolina. 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.800 With that rainy day in Clemson and with North uh, 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:42.840 New Mexico, don't make whatever came and played him. They 0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:44.840 beat the devil line in the bad weather. He just 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.479 wasn't act. He wasn't He wasn't there. I ad meant 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.000 that he was twenty nineteen twenty or something like that. 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.320 You know, he's twenty one now. He's the youngest of 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:55.520 all the quarterbacks in the draft. And you know, he 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.160 got a lot of upside. I give him that, but 0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.520 you got to put it on the field. You gotta 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.160 put it on the field. And he started, and everybody 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:08.120 keep knocking Milton, and I'm like, okay, maybe he's not 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:11.080 what everybody think, but this team would ranked when one 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:16.120 in the country. And he led him and he wild 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:19.719 him to get good arm whatever, And I figured, if 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.160 it comes down to it, it's gonna be May and Milton. 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.520 Yeah, oh really that's standing. Okay, all right, all right, 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:29.560 now you mentioned all right, so if if Jacoby struggles, 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:31.680 I mean, excuse me, and May struggles, then you sit 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.240 him for the whole year. What if all of a 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.440 sudden he picks it up at mid season by week 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.120 eight or week nine, or maybe even week eleven or twelve, 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:41.200 and I guess you probably have to consider, all right, 0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.280 where the team is at the edge, right, where the team. 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.440 At right okay, but they with Jakoby. If they were 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:52.160 Jacoby and they like they say five and three or 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.760 four and four, I'm gonna ride Chacoby for a couple 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.560 more weeks, you know. But if they drop below that, 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:05.640 they two and five or three and six, you know, 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.840 I'm still I probably let him play the last two games, 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:12.040 but I'm not gonna put him in the mixing between 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.520 because that ain't gonna be a fair of evaluation. I'm sorry, 0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.040 I'm not because there's a reason why Jacoby is doing it. 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.600 Either the line, or it's the receiver, or it's something. 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:25.520 And now May got that running a so that Jakobe, 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.560 but chakobeemed to be a be not as di maatic 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.080 as made because May younger. But you know, but Chakobe 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:36.920 can run also, and so Canmilton. But you know that's 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.000 I would still have to sit for maybe the last 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.840 two games the other seasons and play and then this year. Okay, May, 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.400 it's your team from now. 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:50.480 Anybody have anyth ded with, anybody, have any agreement disagreement 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:50.800 with that. 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:55.040 I disagree about him and Sam are gonna be the 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.800 last two standing. I think Bailey Zappi really has a good, 0:32:58.040 --> 0:32:59.880 good chance of being getting away. 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:08.400 No way. Tell me why you yeah. 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.640 Tell me why you think Bailey Zabbit could stick? 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.200 Like we saw him in training camp, he looked really 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.360 good at training camp. All the throws he did were 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:19.400 really accurate. Everything he did he was he was really 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.760 smart with his decisions. And even last year he was 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.880 pretty good when he summed him in for Mac Jones 0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:28.400 for like half of the season, he looked pretty good 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.560 out there. I think he really has a shot at 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.680 still being that number one quarterback for the New England Patriots. 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.960 I would say probably not one. I would say probably 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.280 not number one. I'm gonna side with Elderd on that one. However, 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.040 there is there is a shot that he could stick 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.960 with this team. My best guess though, is that he's 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:50.120 going to have some value and that somebody who needs 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:52.920 a veteran now veteran because he's a couple of years 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:56.040 into the league now a backup quarterback, that's he could 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.160 be cannon fodder for a trade bait somewhere. 0:33:58.640 --> 0:33:59.680 Connect that guy question. 0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.000 Yeah, okay, okay, you're you're, you're. 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.400 What you've seen is Zapi And there was a couple 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.120 of games in games that he played last year, he's 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:12.480 another version of mac Jones, you know, and then he 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.280 fold Like I said, he's here, he'll do some wild plays. 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.440 He do the other play. His arm is not that strong, 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.080 he's not that accurate, and he sure ain't that mode. 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.560 So what what do you What do you see that 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:26.520 makes you think that was sick? 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:30.040 All right, Chase, I don't see it yet. It go see. 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.359 He was definitely not like mac Jones. First of all, 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:36.359 Mac mac Jones. Some of the those I saw him 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.560 throw were horrible, like. 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.240 That did something too, Yeah. 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:45.480 He did like the things the things that Max Jones 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.520 said was disgusting. Right, But Bailey's appy, right, He's still 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:52.840 he still could definitely definitely be the number one quarterback. 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.840 Because like we saw you one quarterback, Yeah. 0:34:55.760 --> 0:35:00.719 Number one quarterback. Definitely definitely number one. All right, Hey, 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.359 Eldrick Elder, Chase is a Giants fan, so that I'll 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:05.240 give you a clue. 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:12.120 Oh okay, so yeah, I got but he's doing it. 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:19.319 Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I gotta give the Giant. I 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.439 gotta give Giant fan a lot of credit today because 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.480 he you know, he put his neutral hat on today 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.680 and he went out, he studied football and watched these 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.879 guys today, so I gotta give him some credit where 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.839 credit is due. All right, guys, we're gonna get onto 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:33.919 the next subject. Eldred, thank you, appreciate your time. As always, Pal, 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.520 we're gonna talk more. We're gonna stand on the offensive 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:39.239 set of the ball coming up in a moment. We're 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.719 gonna talk more about the wide receiver battle, which is 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:44.040 gonna have a little bit more well maybe a little 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:47.839 more intrigue just because of sheer numbers involved here. We're 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:49.880 not really talking about two guys, We're talking about a 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.640 half a dozen or more. So we'll get onto the 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.240 wide receivers coming up in just a moment. This program 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.439 is brought to you by bud Light, Easy to drink, 0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:00.600 easy to enjoy. 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During the regular season, 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.400 we are back to a weekly mode and we anticipate 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.279 that happening right toward the end of August. Actually, I 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.239 think that's what we decided, right matt Our next, our 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:26.160 August show actually is going to come up. What day? 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.399 Did we decide on August twenty eighth? 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:29.200 Eight? 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.680 Yeah, we may try to squeeze in one more on 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.040 the twenty first of August, So we'll put that out 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.759 over social media if the scheduling works out, because we 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:41.160 thought about trying to do a show before the preseason 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:45.120 had ended, and that would be right before the Washington 0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.439 Commanders game on the twenty fifth of August. So more 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.880 on that probably in the coming weeks, but we'll definitely 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:54.480 do a program on August twenty eighth to wrap up 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.719 the preseason, and then we go into regular season mode 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:01.520 the following Wednesday, on September fourth, in anticipation of the 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.600 opener against the Cincinnati Bengals. So, and then we'll go 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:06.920 weekly throughout the the twenty weeks or so during the 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.680 course of the regular season. In the meantime, back here 0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:11.960 in the playbook, and we welcome in our second group 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:18.200 of Dean College sports broadcasting students. I'll introduce Patrick Dacy. 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:20.759 Did I pronounce you? Right? Yeah? You pronounce I'm good? 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.040 All right? Patrick? What year you in school? And where 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:23.439 are you from? 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:27.680 I'm going into my senior year. I'm from Hopkinson, Massachusetts, Hopkinson. 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.000 All right, so we have a local. Good. So is 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:31.839 there any shot that you're a Patriots fan? 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:32.840 Big Tom? 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.600 Okay, all right, we'll say that's a step in the 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:39.040 right direction. Dawson, Debari, it's over here to my right now. So, Dawson, 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:40.840 I know you're actually going to be an incoming freshman 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.000 at Dean this fall. Right, yep, what's your hometown. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.400 I'm from Swanscott, Massachusetts, Swampscott. 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:46.839 Are you also a Patriot. 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.080 Fans only since birth? 0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:52.880 I guess that means something? Then, Nick julinis or is 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.600 it Jelinas? Would I say it right? 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:54.719 No? 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:55.160 Yeah? 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:55.560 That it right? 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:56.000 Johnny? 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:56.160 Right? 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.000 Okay, and you are what a junior in high school? 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:00.720 Yes, I'm gonna be a you're in high school? 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:01.880 Okay? And where are you from? 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:03.880 I am from a lot of New Hampshire. So if 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.719 you know New Hampshire Motor Speedway, same town. 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.680 Right, okay? Yeah, we do know New Hampshire Motor Speedway. Noah, Laspina, 0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:11.400 Did I get it right? 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:11.560 No? 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:12.400 We did, okay. 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.440 And your hometown is Wendham, New Hampshire. 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.400 Okay, so I got two New Hampshire's and two Massachusetts 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.879 New England rules on this one. Right. We picked this team, right, 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.120 I think? Didn't we on Rhode Island? So let's go Yeah? Right, okay, 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.239 I guess I count a little bit right. 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:29.920 You've earned it with the Friars earned it. 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.800 Well maybe, but I'm also mass see, I'm also a masshole, 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:36.359 so that's right. In fact, I live in the same 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.440 town that we have somebody on the line here that 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:40.960 I wanted to bring onto the show. Let me hold, 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:43.080 can I get it here? Yeah? Oh, I got it. 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.239 There it is Josh is in Westport. Hey, Josh, how 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:51.759 are you? Josh isn't there? Maybe Josh hung up because 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.400 I think I think Adelina said she knew a Josh 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.560 in Westport. Okay, well, Josh, you want to call back, 0:41:57.560 --> 0:41:59.200 you can. We'll leave it at that, all right, So 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:02.799 we're gonna move on to topic number two today. We've 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.440 kind of spent some time with the quarterbacks. But I 0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:09.600 mentioned before we took the break that offensively speaking, the 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.960 other real focus on this team is at wide receiver. 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:17.040 You know, I for one, am not really sold on 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:21.240 labels for wide receivers. Oh god, how can the Patriots play? 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:23.760 They don't have a one, you know, And who's gonna 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:25.759 be the two, And who's gonna play the slot, and 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:29.480 who's gonna be the tight end? And who guys? I mean, honestly, 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:35.880 catch the ball, run with the ball, score touchdowns with 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.040 the ball. That's what we need here. Now. Whether or 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.160 not that makes you a one or a seven, I 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.279 don't really care one way or the other. I'm kind 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.640 of curious what your overall viewpoint is of the wide 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:50.279 receiver corps as it presently consists. Now we know that 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.239 there are more guys on this team right now in 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:55.880 the ninety man roster than are gonna stick it on 0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:57.520 this team, and we all get all the way down 0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:00.239 to fifty three in another month or so right, So, well, 0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.760 what's your overall impression of where the roster is now? 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.040 And I think we also realize, of course that well, 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.719 the question I had for you today was who's likely 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.960 to play on this team and who's likely to go? 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:17.880 Which wide receivers stick and which ones move on? All right, Dawson, 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:18.600 do you want to start? 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:19.680 Sure? 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.960 I think on the ninety minter roster right now, you 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.160 really only have four guys that are completely locked in 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.759 to a roster spot. Obviously Kendrick Bourne dealing with the 0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:32.440 ACL injury, but once he's ready, he's going to play. Obviously, 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:34.920 the two rookies that you spent high draft picks on 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.400 you want them to play, so I'm sure that they'll 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.759 be locked on the roster. And the other one is 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.439 to Mario Douglas, who was the leading receiver last year, 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.960 albeit it was only five hundred and something yards. Ye, 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.200 but you're looking to see him develop more in a 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.719 slot role and not having to carry the outside role 0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:51.560 for this team this year. 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.120 Okay, Well, remind you phone lines are still open eight 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:57.560 five to five Pats five hundred, toll free eight five 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:02.719 to five Pats web Radio at Patriots dot com if 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:04.759 you want to hit us up on email. You can 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:08.520 find me on Twitter slash x at JR Broadcaster. We 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:10.399 monitor that feed. If you want to ask a question 0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:12.359 on Twitter, you can do that, or you can post 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.799 on my Facebook page. All right, let's see Nick. I 0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:17.759 know you're jumping at the bit to go, so take 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:18.959 that one as well. What do you think? 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.319 Yeah, so what Dawson said, I love that, you know, 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:26.040 Jalen Polk, Javon Baker, those two rookies I think are 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.880 gonna be big, and we saw them today in training 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.560 camp Day one. I really liked what I was seeing 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:34.880 from them, and also Tomorrio Douglas. Now, my hope with 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:38.280 these three is that they're going to develop with Drake 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:41.160 May and I think that these three could be kind 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.200 of this is a big statement, but I think they 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:45.799 could be the big three for the Patriots. 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.080 Really, okay, And the fact that they have a chance 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.920 to kind of grow together from a young age, that's. 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.280 Helpful, I believe. 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:55.719 So I think that getting those reps with Drake May, 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.919 especially we saw it today, I think that's gonna help them. 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.080 What did you see maybe that you didn't expect to 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:04.280 see from any of those guys today? Did you see anything, 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:05.040 notice anything. 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:07.520 I noticed. 0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:12.040 Jalen Polk actually at the beginning was taking punt returns. 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:14.880 I saw that. I was not expecting that. So that 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:15.920 was kind of a shock to me. 0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.000 Okay, all right, Noah, what do you think? 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:19.040 What overall? 0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:23.160 You know, how does this group sort of rate who's 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:24.960 likely to stay, who's likely to go? 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.799 Going into this, I was skeptical of two players. That 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:32.200 was Jalen Rager and uh sorry uh Jalen Raeger and 0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:36.680 Juju smith Schuster. Two of these guys really struggled. Now, 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.520 I think that Juju smith Shuster has a big chance 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.400 of getting cut, mainly because of that big contract that 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.600 three years, twenty five million they gave him. Now he 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.520 hasn't lived, he hasn't played up to that contract yet. Yeah, 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.120 two years left, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:54.280 not on the roster. However, he could make it because 0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:57.400 because they need they need the receivers obviously, and I 0:45:57.480 --> 0:45:59.800 know that Kendrick Bourne, he in my opinion, is the 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:00.760 most locked receiver. 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:02.319 The other receiver that. 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:06.040 But Kendrick Bourne is also recovering from mayr knee surgery. Yeah, 0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:09.520 so if you need a veteran presence in that lineup. 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:11.879 Is that the only is that the way Juju hangs around? Yeah, 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.239 especially if if uh, you know, Kendrick can't play at 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:15.959 least right away. 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:16.600 Yeah. 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:21.320 And the other person I was skeptical on was Jalen Rager. See, 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.040 I think he will make the roster as a kick returner. 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.400 He had some very good kick returning plays, but I 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.760 was skeptical, skeptical of him because of his playing style. 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.680 He wasn't very good. However, today in training camp, he 0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.880 may be impressed. Big throw by Drake May and it 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:38.799 was caught by him one hand. He reached out like 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:40.520 that and he grabbed it next throat. 0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:42.520 It was. It was like a fire route. 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.239 He beat, he beat the corner. Another big catch by him, 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:46.080 caught it in right this and. 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:46.840 He got the touchdown. 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.520 Yeah, yeah, it was. It was probably maybe the single 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.160 best play of the entire absolutely practice today. Right, all right, Patrick, 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:53.840 what are your thoughts? 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:58.720 Well, just a piggyback off what Noah said. I think 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.480 that a reason Juju could stick around is really two 0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.520 reasons for me, right, So one of them is if 0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:08.640 they do cut Juju, there is a lot of dead 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.120 money that comes with him, and the Pats have to 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:13.880 pay that off, so it wouldn't really help them in 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:18.400 that regard. Right Also, I think it was mentioned before 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:20.799 that Juju is a veteran guy and he does have 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:24.440 some leadership in the locker room. The Pats wide receivers 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:26.000 right now, it's a pretty young group. 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:26.239 You know. 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:30.320 You got Javon Baker, you got Polk, you got even 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:33.920 like Pop Doug. They're all pretty young guys. And Juju 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.880 is someone who is coming off a tough year, definitely 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.640 a down year for him, but he has had success 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:42.600 in the past and maybe you give him another shot 0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.680 to do that. So I say, if the roster was 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.200 to be cut down today, he'd make it for those reasons. 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.480 But at the end of the day, I think it 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.000 comes down to production and how these guys will produce 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:56.480 in the preseason. And I think that last one or 0:47:56.480 --> 0:48:02.400 two spots is really between Juju, Jalen Rager, Taekwon Thornton, 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:07.399 and Kaishan BOUDI to get that some of those final Cats, can. 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:08.200 You say that real quick? 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:08.319 Ye? 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:08.720 Of course? 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:12.200 So we talked a bit about Juju. So Juju four 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:16.480 hundred and sixty one offensive snaps last season on forty 0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:20.759 seven targets just twenty nine receptions. But my question for 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:25.920 you guys is was the QB situation part of that number? 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:30.359 Yeah, I do have Yeah, I think I think that's 0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:33.360 actually a fair question to ask. You're not getting production 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:37.080 with me quarterback, You're not getting production receivers and vice versa. 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.759 Right, Yeah, I agree with that. I think it will 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.439 be helpful to have. It seems like a veteran guide 0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.359 at Kobe Brissett's starting to start the year, at least 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.640 because Bailey Zappi and Mac Jones were completely lost last year. 0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:54.000 The receivers were twenty ninth overall in PFF grade in 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.799 creating separation, but the throwers weren't there for. 0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:58.120 Them to catch at the same time. 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:01.600 So I think the new quarterback, the new offensive coordinator, 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.319 we'll just have to wait and see how training camp goes. 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:05.840 I think it's a huge training camp for some of 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.760 these guys like Taekwon Thoron and Kashan Boody who haven't 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.200 shown much in their young careers. And Booty had some 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:14.759 legal issues and he didn't he kind of butt his 0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:17.239 heads a little bit last year with Belichick, So we'll 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.600 see what Geron Mayo, Alex van Pelt what they can 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:23.400 do to get these guys producing, and I think that'll 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.600 have a big factor on how they decide the roster. 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.160 The one guy that is a real enigma to me 0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:33.880 is Taekwon Thornton. All right, here's a guy that I 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.799 watched him play at Baylor and I thought, Wow, he's 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:38.600 got a lot of speed. But man, as he's skinny, 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.560 you know, he's he's kind of slight. He reminded me 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:43.359 a little bit of me when I was at age. 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:46.600 If I turned sideways, I disappeared, you know, that kind 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:48.680 of thing. But I didn't have the near kind of 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:52.759 speed he's. He's, like I said, he's a big question mark. 0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:55.520 We don't know right now. He doesn't seem to be 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:57.960 able to stay healthy enough to be able to benefit 0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:00.640 this team. I know they want to give him the 0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:02.600 benefit of the doubt because he was a higher, you know, 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:06.840 draft pick, But it's got to be put up or 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.760 shut up time with him right now, don't you think? Yeah? Definitely. 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:12.799 I mean, he just hasn't stayed on the field. He's 0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:15.239 shown flashes. He had that two touchdown game against the 0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:18.759 Browns with Zappi in twenty twenty two, But I mean, 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.680 the best quality is availability, and he just hasn't been 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.719 available for them, and when he's there, he's been a 0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:27.520 complete non factor. So it's a big camp for Taegwon Thorton. 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:31.480 Yeah, so you guys thought that Pop Douglas was gonna 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:32.640 be on the roster at the start of season. 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:33.279 What do you guys think? 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:35.560 I'm pretty sure he did not play a snap in 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:36.839 that eleven b Lemmer seventy seven. 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:37.680 Today we guys think of that. 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.480 Yeah, that was that was definitely interesting. I'm not really 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:45.720 sure why that was. Maybe he's just resting for whatever 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:49.200 reason that may be. But I just think that maybe 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:53.280 the team wants to see more some of those bubble 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:56.040 guys and what they can do. Because to Mario Douglass 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:57.920 at this point, he's a lock. You know, he's probably 0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:00.959 if Kendrick Bourne isn't ready to go we one, he's 0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:04.440 probably their you know, top receiver there, and they want 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.080 to see what guys behind him can have a big role, 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.600 you know, even the guys that probably will make the roster, 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.799 like can Polk step up as a rookie, Can you know, 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.400 somebody like kJ Osborne who they got from Minnesota step 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:18.759 up and play a big role there and even some 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:22.399 of these bubble guys like, could you know Juju get 0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.120 back and have a bounce back year? Could Kaysehan Boody 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.799 show you something, could Thwarton show you somethings? Maybe they 0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:28.879 just wanted to see that more. 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:30.960 Yeah, they really put Jawen Polk to the test today. 0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:32.440 They put him against Christian Gonzales. 0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:34.560 Yeah, yeah, I saw that. It was a good matchup. 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:35.439 Wasn't it very good? 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.320 He won his route, but I think it was a 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:39.640 Joe Milton at the time missed him. 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:40.799 Uh he beat it. 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:43.480 I think it was a curl route on Gonzalez and 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:46.879 the throw is a little bit too high. But yeah, 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:51.359 I'm excited for these two rookies. They have great upside, 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:55.640 but you never know if Patriots recent draft history with receivers, 0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:57.400 you just want to see them on the field and 0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:00.160 show that they are an NFL level talent because like 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:04.400 guys like Nikhil Harry, I guess you can put Taekwon 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:07.439 Thorn in that conversation. Now that they've drafted and used 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.319 high draft picks, have struggled to just prove that they 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:14.440 are NFL worthy and they just don't have They have 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:16.480 so many guys that are just complete question marks. 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.840 Now, I know you guys talked a bit about Taekwon 0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:21.160 Thornton and how he's just not been able to get 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.759 on the field, and just kind of approve that the 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:28.040 last two NFL seasons he started the season on the 0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:33.640 ir list. Yep, so injuries during camp, so really he 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.000 needs to stay healthy this camp. 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:36.600 You got to be able to have a chance. Yeah, 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.440 you got to play right, You gotta play all right. 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:40.560 To other guys, I want to ask you about, first 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.319 of all, Kayshaun Boody. All right, here's a guy that 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:47.400 you know, a lot of fans thought this team stole 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.600 in the draft a year ago, and he you know, 0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:51.640 for you know, he had a hard time getting on 0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:54.200 the field his first year. Now that he's overcome, we 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:56.600 at least hope that he's overcome all of his off 0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:00.840 field issues and available to play. How much rope do 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:02.880 they give this guy to play with? How much of 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.120 a chance do they give him but to be you know, 0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:07.000 in that top five or six that's gonna end up 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:07.840 making this team. 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:08.880 I'm not sure sure about that. 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:11.440 I saw two different sections there was it looked like 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.279 there was first team on the right side and there 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:15.920 was second team on the left I spotted I spotted 0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:20.600 Booty jack Wade Jackson, and Javon Baker there. And on 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:23.799 the right side, I saw thor In, I saw Pop 0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:26.640 Douglass there and yeah, just like the starters. So I'm 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.160 not sure if Boody has a chance at the top six. 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:31.239 So you think he's already been relegated, Yeah, I. 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:32.640 Think he has a small leash. 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:35.560 I think they really have to see this training camp 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:39.440 what he can do and he has to show up also. 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.239 To add to that, I do agree with you. I 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:43.479 think he does have a small leash, and he has 0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:47.239 kind of had some off the field issues, But honestly, 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:51.080 in terms of talent and potential, I think he has 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:53.839 as much of any of these guys. I mean, like 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:55.480 he just has to go out there and perform and 0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:58.239 put that stuff behind him. I mean, if you're really 0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:00.920 looking at it, Ragers a good return guy, but in 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:04.720 the NFL, he hasn't really been a polished wide receiver, 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:08.640 right Taekwon Thornton too. The production just hasn't been there, 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:11.240 you know. And then Juju's coming off some injuries. 0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:12.399 He's coming off a tough year. 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:16.200 So realistically, if if Kaishan Budi goes out there in 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:20.640 the preseason and puts together some great performances. I think 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:22.600 he does have a really good shot of making it. 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:25.920 But the borderline guys on this roster at receiver, all 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:27.879 these guys that we've been talking about that are if 0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:31.200 he making them the roster, the ones that can display 0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:35.360 versatility and maybe do more than one thing. Those are 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:37.680 the guys that are gonna stick with, whether it's kick 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:40.279 return or you know whatever it may be, played the 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:42.560 slot as opposed to the ex or they they're gonna 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:44.759 or the z they're they're they're gonna, they're gonna want 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:49.440 you over someone who's just single minded in his duties 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:51.799 without a doubt. That's why a guy like Reager to 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:55.640 me is a lock, is an absolute lock, because they'll 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:58.719 likely you know, utilize him in returns. 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.680 Yeah, agree with Raeger for sure. He was a kick return, 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:06.359 punt returned, he was on field goal kickoff. He showed 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.719 his special teams versatility and that's why he stuck around 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:11.520 last year when a lot of people were just questioning 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:13.440 why anyone would want to pick him up after his 0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:14.320 first few years. 0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:14.600 In the league. 0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.840 But return game wise, I wonder with Marcus Jones healthy, 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:21.200 who they're going to go to for punt kick return, 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:24.319 which is probably one of the reasons that Rager could 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:27.279 be on that bubble, even though he showed his versatility 0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:27.759 last year. 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.400 Anybody else want to tackle that? All right? So if 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:36.880 that's Key Shambudi? How about now his name has escaped me. 0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:41.680 We were just talking about him. Juju helped me out. 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:42.800 Do you known? 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:43.680 No? 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.400 Not Osborne Baker Baker? 0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:51.239 Uh So the one thing that kind of worries me 0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:54.440 about Javon Now, he's really really good. We saw today 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.480 he was making catches, but he did drop one, and 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:02.279 that's kind of thing with him. We've seen he likes 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:05.440 to body catch and he kind of loses focus and 0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:07.920 when even when it's a routine catch. As a result, 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:12.239 he had fifteen drops over four seasons in college, including 0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.960 a ten point three percent drop rate last season. He 0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:18.959 had six drops total last season, So could that play 0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:19.520 a factor? 0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:24.160 I think it definitely was absolutely absolutely drop. 0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:25.160 Rate last year. 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:29.120 Yeah, Yeah, there's some improvement to do there, I will add, though, 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:34.320 I'm pretty sure with Baker he had some big drop problems, 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:37.520 but he definitely improved as the season went on for 0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:39.400 UCF so I think he's. 0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:43.359 Definitely somebody that could overcome some of those problems, because 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:45.920 end of the day, I mean, Javon Baker is really 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:48.279 something this offense could use, and that's a big time 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.279 deep threat which they've been missing for years. 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:54.440 Honestly, I think one downside I saw today is doing 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:57.640 some homework on Alex van Peut, the new offensive coordinator. 0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:01.680 He's a very run heavy and and play action pass guy. 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:04.640 And from everything that I've read on Javon Baker, his 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:08.200 outside blocking, he's not interested in it. So that could 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:11.120 play a factor into him losing some snaps because he 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:15.080 hasn't shown his willingness to block in college. But I 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.360 think he has upside as a very good deep threat 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:20.440 later as his career goes on. It's just he needs 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:22.920 to show a willingness to block on run plays and 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:24.360 he needs to clean up his drops. 0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.320 Let me ask you guys, some what in your mind 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:30.720 is the definition of a number one receiver. You know, 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:33.439 we opened up today talking about you know, I don't 0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:36.440 really have a designation between one or a six, or 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:38.560 a five or an X or a Y. You know, 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:42.240 to me catch the damn ball. But is there should 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:45.240 there be a definite one, and what kind of trait 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:46.040 should a one have? 0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:49.880 See a number there's there are like clear teams with 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.800 the number one. You see the Dolphins, Tyreek, Hial Vikings, 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:55.880 justin Jefferson. But when you're in a situation like you know, 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.040 the Bills, I'm not sure who there are one's gonna be. 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.400 He could be Keyan Coleman, I'm not sure, but the 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:03.720 Patriots I'm not sure either. What if Kendrick's not ready, 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:05.600 Kendrick's not ready for number one, I'm not sure who's 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:08.439 gonna be that No more, but add on to you. 0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:09.880 I'm not even sure he'd be the one. 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:13.040 I who was healthy really, but even if he's, even 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:15.400 if he's if he's not ready, just catch the ball. 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:17.040 That's how they're going to decide. 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:21.520 I really think the Patriots don't have like one standout 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:24.680 wide receiver. I think we have a lot of versatility 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:28.320 in our players, but we just don't have that one 0:58:28.520 --> 0:58:30.920 player that just stands out him on the rest. I mean, 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.160 of course, Tomorrow Douglass very good on like short routes, 0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:37.439 or he's super quick so he can run the ball 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:39.480 to But I just don't think we have that one 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:40.680 player that stands out. 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:43.640 There's no there's no guy that's just a dude, Like 0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:47.080 they just have that alpha mentality, Like Justin Jefferson came 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:50.120 into the league, broke every rookie record, was talking his 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:53.480 stuff in postgame, and there's nobody on the Patriots that 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:57.040 can really go out and be that guy like Johan Baker. 0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.440 I know post draft is like I make people in 0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:01.520 wheelchair stand up, which I like. I like that kind 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:06.320 of stuff, having confidence and like, but just his building. 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.400 Should should we go get Brandon Ayuk? 0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:12.960 That would that would be a big for sure, And 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:14.960 that's I'm of the opinion room. 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:17.600 I'm of the opinion. Yeah, sure it'd be great. But 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:19.360 I don't think they need to give up a one 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:21.560 for the guy. I'm not. I'm holding on to the one. 0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:23.480 I don't care what you say, because this team is 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:26.919 liable to have a really good draft pick again next year. Now, 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:29.800 if the rumors and the and the reported stories are 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:33.880 true that Patriots and Elliott Wolf offered you know, a 0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:37.160 high two h and we're gonna tell you that they 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:38.680 pay him the twenty eight million or whatever it was 0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:41.880 that he was originally looking for, I'm like, wow, and 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:43.920 the forty nine ers didn't take that offer. 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:45.680 See that's the problem twenty eight million. 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.520 Well, it's it's big money, but the man, the man 0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:50.440 is definitely gonna step up and be what you want 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:50.800 him to be. 0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:51.400 Absolutely. 0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:53.640 Can I add something though, Ye? Yeah, I think that 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.680 a couple of things right. I think they've definitely tried 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:58.600 to go out and get receivers, even like a guy 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:00.920 like Calvin Ridley, who they really they tried to pursue 1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:03.480 in free agency. They couldn't get them. They tried to 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:06.280 get Ayuk near the draft, couldn't get them. I think 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:10.240 at this point the Patriots like, you're looking at this year, 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:12.760 you're probably not gonna be a contending team. This is 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:16.480 a team that's developing, and we're young. And while getting 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:20.320 a guy like Ayuk would help, my question is to you, guys, 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:22.520 is it worth it right now when you're not a 1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:25.360 contending team to go out and and you know, give 1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:29.160 away draft picks that I'd rather let your young guys. 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:31.320 I mean, I think worth is it worth the money 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:32.000 to spend? 1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:35.200 I think they missed their window to get him because 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:37.960 the price was at its lowest probably during the draft. 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.480 But now the forty nine ers they're in camp, and 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:43.280 he actually reported he's not holding out. So at this 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:47.520 point the price is gonna be at its highest because 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:48.960 the forty nine ers are trying to go and win 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.880 a Super Bowl. So unless they're he's gonna hold out 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:55.000 and not play games, why would they even look to 1:00:55.040 --> 1:00:57.120 trade him if he's willing to play in the games 1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:00.960 unless that deal is perfect. So obviously, getting a guy 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:03.479 like Brandon Ayuk, he would come in be the clear 1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:06.560 cut number one, and you're looking at this receiver room 1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:08.720 a lot different to Mario Douglas gets to move over 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:10.680 to the slot where he's more comfortable at five eight, 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:13.280 Kendrick Bourne doesn't have to carry the load of being 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:18.240 a wide receiver one, and these rookies can build confidence 1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:21.440 behind these guys when they're not facing number one corners 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:23.360 like we could go out Week one and Jalen Pole 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:27.280 in Cincinnati is against their number one corner. So it 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:28.880 just opens up a lot of things. If you can 1:01:28.920 --> 1:01:30.439 get a guy like Brandon Ayuk. 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:35.440 You just want to take a call. Yeah, Jason and Lynn, Hi, Jason, 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:37.840 how are you hey? 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:38.600 I'm good? 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:42.680 Oh hey Jason? Yeah, Yeah, how's it going? What do 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:43.760 you got? 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:44.160 Oh? 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:46.880 And good? Coming back from my job and Quincy nine 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:50.960 five minutes of twelve from hearing that we don't got 1:01:50.960 --> 1:01:54.600 a number one wide receiver. But I'm thinking it's uh 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:57.360 flop from Washington. That's I've been ryding with those guys. 1:01:58.280 --> 1:01:59.960 I'm in a little bit of disagreement with the guy. 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:02.280 I think it's a passive. I think we're gonna have 1:02:02.280 --> 1:02:03.200 some rookie time here. 1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:05.440 I agree. 1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:06.000 I was. 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:07.840 I was about to ask that question too. Do we 1:02:07.880 --> 1:02:11.560 think Jalen Polk will become the number one wide receiver 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:12.720 for the Patriots? 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:13.440 And I think so. 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:17.880 And I think, like I stated earlier, Javon Baker, Jalen Polk, 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:19.960 and Debara Douglass, I think you're there. 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:21.840 They are the Patriots Big three. 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:23.040 I think yeah. 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:25.880 I mean, he has the tools to become a wide 1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:28.320 number one wide receiver, but he's got things to fix up. 1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:29.160 Obviously. 1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:30.080 He can't really fix that. 1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:33.160 He's slightly below average speed for a wide receiver. He 1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:36.600 needs to refine his route running. He's got the NFL 1:02:36.680 --> 1:02:38.360 body where he can go up and get a ball. 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:40.919 We saw it you Washington. Whenever they wanted to go deep, 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:44.440 it was usually him in traffic. He's that is his 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:46.560 one elite skills. He can go up and get you 1:02:46.640 --> 1:02:48.400 a ball, which is a great skill to have as 1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:50.920 a wide receiver one. But there's just other things at 1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:53.360 his game that are just not ready yet to become 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:54.320 a wide receiver one. 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:57.880 Totally agree with you. That's a great way I look 1:02:57.920 --> 1:02:58.760 at it. Love that. 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:04.000 Thanks boys, Okay, gold Path all right. 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:08.320 Thanks Jason, appreciate you. Eight five five PATS five hundred, 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:11.120 toll free number eight five five p A t S 1:03:11.200 --> 1:03:15.440 five hundred. Web radio at Patriots dot Com, at JR 1:03:15.480 --> 1:03:18.800 Broadcaster On Twitter or X what do you guys call. 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:19.480 It Twitter or Twitter? 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:20.680 I still call it twitter. 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:23.680 We'll call it twitter good because I'm not trying to 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:26.680 be politically correct, and I hate it. It's Twitter, okay. 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:34.200 And then on Facebook, anybody here have a Facebook page? 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:36.520 Patrick's looking at but like god, how old are you? 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:38.680 I cannot. 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:42.440 It's okay, it's honest. I like that. That's just that's 1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:45.560 what old. That's old people's social media, right, old people's 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:48.560 social media. All right? How many games does this team 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:54.480 win this year? Ahead, take a prediction, take a shot five. 1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:56.800 Seven. 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:00.000 I got them winning six games. 1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:02.640 I don't know what the over under is at, but 1:04:02.760 --> 1:04:05.160 I think if I was a betting man, I'd go 1:04:05.240 --> 1:04:08.040 with the under, just with all the moving pieces. If 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:09.760 it's four and a half, I think I'd go with four. 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:13.400 I'm pretty sure ESPN bet has that they are not 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:14.840 favored in a single game this season. 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:18.400 But you know, I think any Patriots fan would be 1:04:18.440 --> 1:04:26.040 happy if we could somehow make it to the wild card. 1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:27.880 That more than seven I think. I mean, the defense, 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:29.560 you're optimistic, Okay, you. 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:31.520 Need the Bills and the Dolphins to not win a 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:32.280 single game. 1:04:33.600 --> 1:04:36.840 And talking to some of the players at autographs, they 1:04:36.840 --> 1:04:39.800 were seeming pretty optimistic. But like you said, I mean, 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:41.439 it is the first day of training camp. They haven't 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:42.160 got yelled at. 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:44.160 Yet, haven't gotten yelled at, haven't got hit in them out? 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:46.439 All right, guys, good job. Where do you go? All right? 1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:48.560 All right, so we're halfway through this thing. We've got 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:51.160 two more subjects that we're going to tackle coming up. 1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:54.360 In fact, speaking of tackle, on the offensive side of 1:04:54.360 --> 1:04:57.120 the ball, these are the people that have to protect 1:04:57.320 --> 1:04:59.960 Drake may These are the people that have to hold 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:04.680 the line and block so the receivers can catch the 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:07.080 ball and yeah, open up holes for the running backs 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:09.919 to get through. The hole. The offensive line is a 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:14.280 big off season and start of the season story for 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:18.400 the New England Patriots. Have they done enough to protect 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:21.320 Drake may or Jacoby Brissett or anybody else that would 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:24.000 be in there? The offensive line is the subject? 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We're featuring students that you 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:09.639 good if you just lost all of that was my fault. 1:09:09.720 --> 1:09:11.880 Oh that was you, Okay. I was about to say 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:12.919 all of a sudden. 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:13.920 I got a lot of new knobs in here. 1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:16.280 John, I know, I know, but I like things went 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:18.040 dark all of a sudden, I said, Oh, is this 1:09:18.120 --> 1:09:21.200 it end of life? Is it here already? Damn? I 1:09:21.360 --> 1:09:25.200 just turned I just had a birthday this week, you know, jeez, 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:27.200 cut my feet up from underneath me. 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:27.519 All right? 1:09:27.600 --> 1:09:30.400 Okay, at least I got the I got the sponsor in. 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:31.479 Miss Robin, take you out? 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:33.920 She did? She did? You know what we did? We 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:37.240 rented a boat and we went out uh and and 1:09:37.320 --> 1:09:39.040 basically cruised Cape cog Canal. 1:09:39.720 --> 1:09:40.400 Okay, it was that. 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:42.599 It was awesome, great weather for it. It was awesome weather. 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:43.960 And then of course we're out in the middle of 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:46.160 the Cape Cock. We're actually over there by mass Maritime, 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:48.920 you know where the Bourn Bridge is out there, and 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.000 the engine conked, so I had to call boat trip 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:53.760 La and get towed in. How do you like that? 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:54.160 You like? 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.799 Dave Portnoy, I just did the same thing, did he really? 1:09:56.960 --> 1:09:58.479 He lit a flare off in the harbor. 1:10:00.280 --> 1:10:00.719 Damn? 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:02.320 I wish I had thought of that. I would have 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:03.760 done the same thing. I'd have staid out on the 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:06.160 Battle of the Vote and just launched it, you know, 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:09.840 like I'm shooting like Roman Candles or something. Oh, I 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:10.800 wish I had thought of that. 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:11.559 Shoot. 1:10:11.560 --> 1:10:12.920 Now I'm gonna have to get another voat and I 1:10:12.960 --> 1:10:15.920 have to break down all over again. And you okay, 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:18.920 I digress already. It's subject number three, hour, number two 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:22.120 year in the playbook. We have our Dean College Sports 1:10:22.120 --> 1:10:26.200 broadcasting student is a part of our mix here this afternoon, 1:10:26.560 --> 1:10:28.160 and we are going to talk a little bit about 1:10:28.160 --> 1:10:31.840 the offensive line coming up. Eric Darcy is here. Eric, 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:34.280 tell us where you're from and what year in school. 1:10:34.640 --> 1:10:37.559 I'm going into my junior year high school, okay, and 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:39.799 I'm from like Oakland, New Jersey. 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:41.400 It's very like near NYC. 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:43.200 And I want to give a shout out to all 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:47.240 my guys at home watching Brandon, Dan, Derek, Matt, Mike. 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:48.920 I also want to go to give a shout out 1:10:48.920 --> 1:10:49.840 to my mom the. 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:54.599 Entire free world. Okay, that's good, that's fine, You're allowed 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:58.240 to do that. In addition to Eric, Noah higher I 1:10:58.360 --> 1:11:01.000 know him. Hell, what year in school? Where are you from? 1:11:01.280 --> 1:11:04.760 I'm going into my junior year and I'm from Norton, Massachusetts. 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:07.519 Norton. Oh, so you're you're a neighbor. Yeah, you're a neighbor. 1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:08.439 Are you a Patriots fan? 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:08.640 Oh? 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:11.160 Yeah, please, thank you, good lord. You can't be from Norton, 1:11:11.240 --> 1:11:14.120 Mass And not be a Patriots fan. Seriously, all right, 1:11:14.439 --> 1:11:16.559 Mark manfreda, Mark, how's it going? 1:11:16.720 --> 1:11:17.479 Good? Good you? 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:20.160 Yeah, you know, we're hanging. We're just hanging. What year 1:11:20.160 --> 1:11:21.880 are you in school? And where are you from? 1:11:22.040 --> 1:11:24.719 So I'm gonna go to my freshman year of college 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:25.560 at Dean. 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:27.400 Yes, yes, fresh meat. 1:11:27.680 --> 1:11:30.720 Yes, I'm from I'm from Milbury, Mass. So it's like 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:33.160 twenty to fifteen minutes outside of West. 1:11:33.160 --> 1:11:35.400 Yeah, I know where Berry is. Absolutely. And are you 1:11:35.439 --> 1:11:36.240 a Patriots fan? 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:36.920 Absolutely? 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:39.519 Okay, I'm just look, I gotta ask the question. I've 1:11:39.520 --> 1:11:42.400 had Giants fan here. I had, you know, Noel Lespina 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:45.800 in the last segment of the program he's a Dolphins fan. 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:46.519 Did you guys know that. 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:50.040 About Norman what he's from? 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:54.760 It is unacceptable to Hampshire totally. Are you from the 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:56.639 area and not a fan of. 1:11:57.160 --> 1:11:59.920 I'm just saying right, and Ava Powell is with us. 1:12:01.040 --> 1:12:03.680 You're the You're I think you win the award for 1:12:03.880 --> 1:12:04.839 furthest distance. 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:07.080 Oh well, Charlie's from Arizona. 1:12:07.280 --> 1:12:11.600 Oh, that's right, Charlie. Now, no, yeah, it would be 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:15.280 Charlie probably. But you're from Virginia, right, okay, Northern Virginia. Right. 1:12:15.320 --> 1:12:16.280 What year are you in school? 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:17.679 Going into my senior year? 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:21.080 Senior year? Right? Okay? Is this somebody you really you 1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:21.760 think you want to do? 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:24.439 I mean, I wanted to come here and experience it, 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:27.360 just to see if I liked it, if I wanted 1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:28.240 to learn more about it. 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:32.120 Yeah, yeah, okay, good. What did you think of camp today? 1:12:32.400 --> 1:12:35.360 I think it was pretty fun. I liked watching the 1:12:35.520 --> 1:12:38.160 guys play on the field. We got to see the 1:12:38.200 --> 1:12:40.000 cheerleaders too. It's just pretty cool. 1:12:40.800 --> 1:12:44.280 You're you're in competitive cheer right, yeah, okay, so I'm 1:12:44.320 --> 1:12:47.640 sure you probably were paying attention. Actually, we have a 1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:52.759 pretty good track record of Dean College dance majors making 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:56.320 the Patriots cheerleading school. Yeah you didn't know that, Marine, 1:12:56.360 --> 1:12:59.720 I did not know that. Listen. I'm actually I'm very 1:12:59.760 --> 1:13:04.799 proud of this. The very first male NFL cheerleader, okay, 1:13:05.120 --> 1:13:09.200 is a former student of mine. I don't even know 1:13:09.240 --> 1:13:11.479 what to say to that. I know, right, that's probably 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:12.160 not much I did. 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:12.800 I did not know that. 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:16.360 Yeah, yeah, the very first male in NFL history. He 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:22.439 made the Patriots Cheerleague squad I think four years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:25.080 So he's uh yeah, he's a good kid. And he 1:13:25.160 --> 1:13:27.720 actually was in my speech class and he aised it. 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:30.000 He got an A. So he did pretty good job 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:32.559 of communicating. So anyway, so there's a track record there, 1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:35.360 there's a good track rerd. All right, guys, the subject 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:37.639 matter here today. By the way, we'll remind everybody phone 1:13:37.720 --> 1:13:42.040 number toll free open eight five five PATS five hundred 1:13:42.160 --> 1:13:45.679 eight five five p A t S five hundred, Web 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:49.519 radio at Patriots dot com. If you want to send email, uh, 1:13:49.560 --> 1:13:52.240 you can hit me up on Twitter at JR Broadcaster 1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:54.599 or you can find me on Facebook at John dot rook. 1:13:54.640 --> 1:14:00.400 Our question is how offensive is the offensive line? Of course, 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:04.880 you understand the context offensive being stinky, you know, and 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:06.760 I'm not talking about the size of the guys or 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:09.720 anything in the trenches. But let's face it, they struggled. 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:12.840 They struggled last year. It was a horrific year for 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:16.320 the offensive line. A year ago. I am in the 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:21.880 camp of if there were better guys in front of him, 1:14:22.360 --> 1:14:23.840 Mac Jones might still be here. 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:26.439 Absolutely, yeah, I can agree on that. 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:30.200 Okay, So how offensive his this offensive line? Is there 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:34.080 hope for you know, Jacoby? Is their hope for Drake? 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:38.200 And how will the play of the offensive line affect 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:40.599 that competition? What are your thoughts? Who wants to start? 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:43.280 I'll go first, Okay, go on Ava. What are the 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:46.559 stats for last years for the offensive line? It was 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:50.000 I know, I know they were bottom of the league 1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:50.759 for for something. 1:14:50.880 --> 1:14:51.759 Yeah they are. 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:55.280 I think they were ranked last when what and what? 1:14:56.200 --> 1:15:00.080 The Patriots offensive line ranked dead last? Second with the 1:15:00.080 --> 1:15:01.479 past blocking win rate. 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:05.000 Not blocking win rate was dead last. 1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:07.960 Yes, that's not that's not good. That's not mean. I mean, 1:15:08.400 --> 1:15:10.240 how are you supposed to win games when you're when 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:12.560 you're O line came in to block for you, understood? 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:16.320 I think I think there's definitely mean. Definitely from today, 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:20.000 watching today, it was definitely like the line looks solid. 1:15:21.120 --> 1:15:23.200 There were plenty of runs rushed for ten plus yards, 1:15:24.080 --> 1:15:26.360 Jacoby and Drake May had plenty of time in the 1:15:26.360 --> 1:15:29.200 pocket when they passed, making some great passes as well. 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:33.400 I think I think there's definitely hope. I know that 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:41.040 cole Cole Strange is out with a torn pectuliar tendon. Uh, 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:42.439 and we have to we have to find someone to 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:45.360 fill that role, which I think I think it could 1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:49.760 be either Nick Lavert, Michael Jordan, or Leyden Robinson as well. 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:54.040 Robinson made thirty three career starts at Texas A and 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:56.960 M's right guard. Scouts believe he was close to being 1:15:57.040 --> 1:16:00.920 pro ready as well. During the draft, Michael Jor was undrafted, 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:05.240 made twenty twenty six starts in the SEC. Scouts say 1:16:05.280 --> 1:16:09.360 he was a draftable talent a center, and then Nick 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:12.120 LeVert I hope him saying that, right, I saw plenty 1:16:12.120 --> 1:16:14.680 of opportunities in spring his right guard sometimes top of 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:18.280 the offensive line. Ten career starts in three seasons with Tampa, 1:16:18.400 --> 1:16:21.400 so it's not it's not a lot. So I mean, 1:16:21.439 --> 1:16:23.519 if we can get, you know, more reps for them 1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:25.679 so you can fill in for cold strange, I think, 1:16:25.920 --> 1:16:27.320 you know, I think we have hope. 1:16:27.720 --> 1:16:33.160 Oh okay Leverett, Yes, Sorrycuvert, Yeah, okay, I was thinking, 1:16:33.160 --> 1:16:35.840 do we have a new night it's pre season? What 1:16:35.880 --> 1:16:36.240 do I know? 1:16:36.439 --> 1:16:36.599 Right? 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:38.960 Okay, that's okay, that's fine, all right. What do you 1:16:39.000 --> 1:16:39.760 think Eric? 1:16:40.600 --> 1:16:40.720 Uh? 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:42.839 Yeah, I really think that last. 1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:46.000 Year the one of the main reasons with the offensive 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:49.240 line struggle was injuries and health issues. I know that 1:16:49.400 --> 1:16:51.920 Cole Strange was out a lot during this was his 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:54.840 sophomore season. I know Trent Brown was out a lot, 1:16:54.920 --> 1:16:58.519 and we had other guys having to fill in, like City, 1:16:58.600 --> 1:17:00.400 So when I believe he was a rookie, he had 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:02.200 to fill in. I know Jake Andrews was in for 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:04.760 the last two or so games. But I feel like 1:17:04.840 --> 1:17:09.920 now that we we have we extended on on. It 1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:13.600 was like four years, seventy one dollars we got, we 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:15.800 got more help with a core four. 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:16.360 YEP. 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:21.439 I'm not exactly completely set on him. I'm not really 1:17:21.479 --> 1:17:24.320 bought on the idea because mainly he hasn't played left tackle. 1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:25.240 Or aren't they trying to switch him to the left 1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:25.760 tack right, they. 1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:27.000 Were trying to switch him to the left tackle, and 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:30.120 he hasn't played left tackle since college, so that could 1:17:30.120 --> 1:17:30.599 be a bit. 1:17:33.400 --> 1:17:33.600 I have. 1:17:34.240 --> 1:17:37.120 I have no idea. I have no idea what what years? 1:17:37.120 --> 1:17:38.960 And I know he's been playing for a decent amount 1:17:39.280 --> 1:17:41.800 he's been He's been ok with the he we signed 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:44.760 him from the Steelers, and I mean we still have 1:17:44.920 --> 1:17:47.360 we have David Andrews coming back, which is gonna help. 1:17:47.439 --> 1:17:48.960 Like I said on WHENU. 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:53.439 My main concern would be with Cole Strange, as he's 1:17:53.479 --> 1:17:54.240 not going to be able. 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:56.240 The report says that. 1:17:56.200 --> 1:17:58.200 He will be out at least for the first four 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:00.720 games of the season, which is where I think that 1:18:01.120 --> 1:18:04.439 Loverett can come in since he was he was holding 1:18:04.439 --> 1:18:08.040 down his position well at Tampa and he only allowed 1:18:08.080 --> 1:18:10.720 just four quarterback hits and no sacks against Brady when 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:13.280 he played there in twenty twenty two. It was around 1:18:13.360 --> 1:18:15.639 like it was four. He took like four eighty two snaps. 1:18:15.720 --> 1:18:21.160 Zero sacks is four four hits allowed. And I feel 1:18:21.200 --> 1:18:24.519 like since col Strange may probably will be out, I 1:18:24.560 --> 1:18:28.040 think that Loverett can fill that spot nicely as well. 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:30.360 As we also have Caden Wallace that we drafted out 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:32.720 of Penn State, the four star prospect. I think he 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:36.799 will definitely add some He will definitely add some depth 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:39.439 and help to the line. But my other than the 1:18:40.120 --> 1:18:45.320 concerns on Strange's health and a CORPS four definitely City 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:47.439 Sow I have a main concern on well also. 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:50.679 I mean, I mean, health is a huge reason why 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:53.439 the line wasn't that good. Yeah, sure, I mean a 1:18:53.439 --> 1:18:55.439 lot of people were injured, you know, we didn't have 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:57.120 a lot I mean, I would say we wouldn't have. 1:18:57.120 --> 1:18:58.040 We didn't have a lot of depth. 1:18:58.120 --> 1:18:59.880 Half the team was like in the Hostege exactly. 1:19:00.120 --> 1:19:03.320 So I mean for free to say, you know, it's 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:05.479 it's all to health, I mean it really is. I 1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:06.760 mean that's that's important. 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:10.120 Who's the left tackle on this team right now? 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:12.800 It's it's going to be a core for But like 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:15.639 I said, he hasn't he usually a right tackle, and 1:19:15.720 --> 1:19:18.000 he hasn't played left tackle since college, which could be 1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:21.160 very concerning. But I feel like with the Patriots with 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:23.800 they also have on Whenu at right tackle, who as 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:27.600 we know, has played both before. He has positioned versatility, 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:30.920 and if a core for starts to struggle at left tackle, 1:19:31.479 --> 1:19:33.760 I feel like the Patriots could move him back to 1:19:33.760 --> 1:19:35.760 where he was originally playing it right and try on 1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:37.880 when Who at left because I remember they did that 1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:40.160 at some point last season and it worked out decently well. 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:42.719 Okay, any other thoughts on that, guys? 1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:48.400 Noah, I mean, I think you covered most of the 1:19:48.880 --> 1:19:53.880 main concerns health, but I'm not I'm not too concerned 1:19:53.920 --> 1:19:57.719 about a core for moving to a left tackle. 1:19:57.880 --> 1:19:59.600 I mean, well, I mean so I looked it up. 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:02.000 It's just so the season. Yeah, I mean he hasn't played. 1:20:02.000 --> 1:20:03.600 He hasn't played since college, so I mean that's a 1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:05.600 long time. He can be rusty, sure. 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:09.880 But and like the the gap between like if you 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:11.759 if you're a right tackle switching into a left tackle, 1:20:11.760 --> 1:20:13.839 it's just like a huge significant change. 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:18.760 Yeah, I don't know, it'd be interesting to see how 1:20:18.760 --> 1:20:19.160 it goes. 1:20:19.439 --> 1:20:19.759 Yeah. 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:22.439 Yeah, to me, I think they're gonna end up having 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:25.880 to plug and play quite a bit. Absolutely, Yeah, guys 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:30.160 around it's the expansive experimenting. Uh, there may even be 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:33.800 some matchup lineup changes depending upon who's lining up on 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:36.559 the other team and whether or not you know, one 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:39.040 of the defenders you know, plays to a particular weakness 1:20:39.280 --> 1:20:40.920 of you know, one of the Patriots players and the 1:20:40.960 --> 1:20:43.479 offensive line. I think it's gonna have to mix a 1:20:43.520 --> 1:20:47.439 match We'd love to find a core five that would 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:51.280 be there from day one and stay hopefully as healthy 1:20:51.320 --> 1:20:54.320 as they possibly can throughout. That ain't gonna happen, Okay, 1:20:54.360 --> 1:20:57.439 we all understand that, especially over the stretch of a 1:20:57.479 --> 1:21:00.280 seventeen week regular season soon to be eighteen. I don't know, 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:06.680 did you guys see that story? Already in big negotiations 1:21:06.680 --> 1:21:09.040 to add the eighteenth game to the regular season. And 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:12.439 I've said that from for a long time to come, 1:21:12.479 --> 1:21:15.280 since we moved to seventeen on this program and other 1:21:15.360 --> 1:21:18.360 venues and other places, that the eighteenth game was going 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:21.080 to happen. It is going to happen, whether anybody wants 1:21:21.120 --> 1:21:24.080 it or not. It's just an inevitability because we need 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:28.120 more meaningful football. We don't need more non meaningful football, 1:21:28.200 --> 1:21:30.519 which means exhibition play. So they'll end up, you know, 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:33.479 still doing a couple of preseason games. You might get 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:37.760 a controlled scrimmage or you know, joint practices like the 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:39.360 Patriot's going to do with the Eagles in a couple 1:21:39.360 --> 1:21:42.599 of weeks. But eighteen games is going to be here, 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:46.040 which means likely there'll be a couple of buys an 1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:48.600 extra buy moved in it also, I know, and I 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:50.439 know that changed the subjecting for a moment, but I 1:21:50.520 --> 1:21:53.439 brought it up just because it's top of mind. I 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:57.480 think we'll finally the way that the calendar plays out, 1:21:58.240 --> 1:22:00.280 I think we're finally going to get that day after 1:22:00.280 --> 1:22:02.519 the Super Bowl holiday because it's going to push the 1:22:02.520 --> 1:22:06.040 super Bowl back, I think to President's Day weekend, think 1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:08.800 in February, which means everybody's gonna have the day off 1:22:08.800 --> 1:22:13.120 from good work and you guys school, you know hopefully right, Yeah. 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:13.760 Yeah right. 1:22:13.880 --> 1:22:15.320 I mean I mean I'm staying up late for the 1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:15.760 Super Bowl. 1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:19.920 I mean who doesn't. Who doesn't somebody who has. 1:22:19.760 --> 1:22:21.840 To get up at three am for morning drive radio 1:22:21.920 --> 1:22:24.280 like I used to have to that. That just stunk. 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:25.240 That was awye. 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:28.920 I do know the Pats have Scott Scott Peters the 1:22:28.960 --> 1:22:31.640 new coach. I mean that's big. I mean, you know 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:33.600 Drawd Mayo now and then he reh I mean he 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:38.280 hired Scott Peters, who then Van Pelt hired Peters, I believe. Yeah, yeah, 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:41.519 that's big. It's all new systems now and for people 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:45.200 that were for alignment that we're in the Belichick era, 1:22:45.600 --> 1:22:47.200 it's I feel like I think it's gonna be a 1:22:47.240 --> 1:22:48.360 really big switch. 1:22:48.920 --> 1:22:49.120 Yeah. 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:51.800 I also just realized that I just saw that Kate 1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:54.479 Wallace is also He also plays left tackle. So if 1:22:54.479 --> 1:22:58.120 the Pats don't decide to move on when to left, 1:22:58.920 --> 1:23:01.680 then then Kate Wallace the rookie who I mean, I 1:23:01.680 --> 1:23:04.759 don't really know if he should jump in considering he 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:06.599 is a rookie and I feel like he may need 1:23:06.600 --> 1:23:08.920 time to develop. If a core four really does start 1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:13.040 to struggle, then I then, honestly, I feel like that 1:23:13.200 --> 1:23:16.120 the Pats could try Kana Wallace because his draft report 1:23:16.160 --> 1:23:16.559 was really good. 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:17.599 He had a lot of positives. 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:20.759 Plays long and can keep defenders at his fingertips, loose balance, 1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:23.480 moving with good lank and big hands. It just continues 1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:25.200 on in the amount of positives that this guy has. 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:28.160 Where does Calvin Anderson fit into this, Because here's a 1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:30.439 guy that you know, came in, we thought he had 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:33.680 had some versatility. He obviously had the illness issue a 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:37.120 year ago. Uh and and so now he's trying to 1:23:37.160 --> 1:23:40.200 play his way back into the mix. He can also 1:23:40.479 --> 1:23:44.519 play tackle, and I think that's his preferred position. Is 1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:45.880 this a guy that's going to get a look? 1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:47.200 I think so? 1:23:47.600 --> 1:23:47.840 Yeah. 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:49.720 I mean I don't see why he wouldn't. I mean, 1:23:50.160 --> 1:23:52.400 just like you said, I mean he has he has, 1:23:52.520 --> 1:23:55.080 he has all the I mean he sixth season. I 1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:58.320 mean he's he's ah, not veteran, but he knows he 1:23:58.360 --> 1:24:02.240 knows how to play the position. Yeah, I mean six ' five, 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:05.519 three h five, he's he's got any and you know, 1:24:05.560 --> 1:24:08.679 we saw we saw him today. He he he did 1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:12.320 really well during during practice, I mean I I, yeah, 1:24:12.400 --> 1:24:13.640 I don't see I don't see why it would be 1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:13.960 an issue. 1:24:14.040 --> 1:24:14.200 Yeah. 1:24:14.520 --> 1:24:17.000 Yeah. And speaking of that, so who stood out to 1:24:17.040 --> 1:24:19.599 you a practice today in terms of some of these 1:24:19.600 --> 1:24:21.680 big guys out there, and was there a lot of 1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:24.800 mixing and matching. What did you notice about rotations or 1:24:24.800 --> 1:24:26.960 anything about the the guys when they were in their 1:24:27.160 --> 1:24:31.080 eleven and elevens and seven and well especially eleven and elevens. 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:33.040 Mainly, Like, I don't really know if like anyone specifically 1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:34.720 stood out to me, but I know that during like 1:24:34.800 --> 1:24:37.160 some of their like seven on seven eleven eleven chills, 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:39.200 they were able to like create some of the gaps 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:42.640 in the holes for yes Madre or Kevin Harris to 1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:45.439 run through that actually got them very far down the field. 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.920 I know they weren't playing tackle because it's first day 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.000 of training camp, but they were able to find new 1:24:51.040 --> 1:24:53.000 able to create some really good holes for the running backs, 1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:56.160 which now that Van Pelt is here, he's a very 1:24:56.240 --> 1:24:58.600 like run heavy guy, run heavy, play action guy. So 1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:01.400 I feel like now that now that that's now that 1:25:01.400 --> 1:25:04.439 that's happening, they're gonna start favoring, They're gonna start giving 1:25:04.479 --> 1:25:08.040 Madre Harris, all those guys a lot more touches and 1:25:08.080 --> 1:25:09.760 I feel like they've had in the past, which if 1:25:09.800 --> 1:25:11.479 the O line can create those gaps and that's going 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:13.439 to create for some big plays in the upcoming season. 1:25:13.520 --> 1:25:15.559 Okay, ay, but did you what did you see out 1:25:15.560 --> 1:25:18.160 there practice today that maybe you didn't know where you 1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:20.000 didn't expect by some of these guys, Because when you 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:22.200 knew that, you're going to talk about the offensive lineman, 1:25:22.200 --> 1:25:24.559 I'm sure it's probably not a position you're terribly familiar 1:25:24.640 --> 1:25:26.960 with overall. But what what did they teach you? What? 1:25:26.960 --> 1:25:30.000 What did they what did they what did they introduce 1:25:30.040 --> 1:25:30.840 you to in that regard? 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:36.439 I mean, they're all really tall, and I don't know 1:25:37.040 --> 1:25:44.559 they're they're fast. I mean, from what I saw it 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:45.599 looked pretty solid. 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:49.000 There seemed to be at least from what I saw 1:25:49.000 --> 1:25:52.479 out there, there seemed to be uh, some switching of 1:25:52.560 --> 1:25:54.760 positions going on at least a little bit. I think 1:25:54.800 --> 1:25:56.839 they were trying. They were kind of plugging and playing. 1:25:57.640 --> 1:26:01.599 Does that versatility help or hurt at this developmental stage? 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:02.800 Want to tackle that one. 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:04.840 I think it can be both. I think it hurt 1:26:04.840 --> 1:26:07.920 and hurt and help. I mean it can definitely hurt 1:26:07.960 --> 1:26:12.240 because some players aren't familiar, they're not accustomed to it. 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:15.200 They they might not they might not necessarily know what 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:16.920 to do in certain situations. But I think it can 1:26:16.920 --> 1:26:19.880 also help with versatility. I mean, they once they figure 1:26:19.880 --> 1:26:21.920 out how to play the position, they can play both. 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:24.439 You know, let's just say it's a tackle they can 1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:25.280 do right and left. 1:26:25.439 --> 1:26:27.479 Yeah, it comes different. I completely agree with you. 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:31.200 Like, like I said earlier, uh, like last season they 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:33.599 swapped on why do I believe over the left tackle 1:26:33.640 --> 1:26:35.639 for a few games and that ended up going really well. 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:38.840 So I think that it can help them with with 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:41.559 if like some players discover that they have that they 1:26:41.600 --> 1:26:45.240 are versatile at position switching. But if they're not, then 1:26:45.280 --> 1:26:50.760 it's gonna end up costing the team. 1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:52.920 Costing the team what it wins, losses talent. 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:55.600 What wins, what would cost he could be could be 1:26:55.640 --> 1:27:00.080 costing them, like pressure on the QB sacks could be 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:00.800 costing them. 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:03.519 We do have to keep you know, a guy named 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:04.800 Drake may healthy at. 1:27:04.760 --> 1:27:05.759 All kinds exactly. 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:09.040 I don't I don't want another mac Jones situation where 1:27:09.040 --> 1:27:13.680 we draft this highly talented quarterback and early in the 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:16.680 first round and it just all goes to waste and 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:19.000 we trade them away a few seasons later. 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:22.639 Got you all, right, let's let's you know, I mean, look, 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:24.920 I think we all realize that this position is going 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:29.360 to be a WIP, a work in progress all season long. Right, 1:27:29.720 --> 1:27:32.000 you have to hope that you can stay relatively healthy. 1:27:32.360 --> 1:27:34.960 One of the keys to healthiness is versatility. Because one 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:37.360 of the things that the Patriots have done under the 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:39.800 previous regime, and I think seems to be really the 1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:44.479 way to roll it in most NFL camps in teams 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:47.680 is through versatility because you create depth when guys can 1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:51.280 play multiple positions. So you're looking for players in the 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:55.479 offensive line that can play multiple positions. You know, you've 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:58.680 got David Andrews, Jake Andrews potentially to back him up 1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:02.360 at center. Jake Andrews can also I think, slide over 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:04.400 to guard. So that helps you in terms of your 1:28:04.479 --> 1:28:08.840 versatility where that's concerned. The tackle obviously is the key 1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:12.360 issue to me, because you're you're protecting on the left side, 1:28:12.400 --> 1:28:15.360 the blind side of the quarterback. If you need the 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:18.920 athleticism for the quarterback, then that's probably when he needs 1:28:18.960 --> 1:28:21.000 to recognize, you know, he needs to have a feel 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:22.720 for that pocket a little bit, so we know when 1:28:22.760 --> 1:28:24.840 to step up and move around and avoid, you know, 1:28:24.840 --> 1:28:28.760 getting slammed. That's the biggest issue I personally believe. My 1:28:28.880 --> 1:28:32.040 thought is is that until they are able to develop 1:28:32.120 --> 1:28:35.960 some continuity, that you're going to see the Patriots not 1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:39.840 dink and dunk, but probably emphasize a shorter passing game 1:28:39.880 --> 1:28:41.800 and run a game. You know, I don't think we're 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:43.439 going to see a whole lot of what everybody really 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:45.960 wants to see. Hey, Jalen go long, I don't think 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:46.639 that's gonna happen. 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:48.960 Well, I mean we also didn't see that during during 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:50.719 Jain camp today. I mean there were all short passes 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:53.720 or at least midfield passes, curl. 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:57.040 And out routes, and so I want to kind of 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:59.720 go on a bit of the obsession about this, but 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:02.720 one of the one of my main concerns, like I 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:06.400 said earlier, was City Sou who was thrown into the 1:29:06.400 --> 1:29:08.639 starting lineup as a rookie due to injuries to other 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:09.200 O linemen. 1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:09.599 Mm hm. 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:13.519 And I mean his performance was like I mean, in 1:29:13.600 --> 1:29:16.160 my opinion, exceptional, like average is. He got he got 1:29:16.200 --> 1:29:19.479 what needed to be done, but he wasn't like he 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:21.760 didn't wow me or catch my attention or I feel 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:22.240 like that. 1:29:22.560 --> 1:29:24.200 Wasn't that all you need? Though it's just an average. 1:29:24.240 --> 1:29:26.360 I mean, you don't need someone to absolutely over the 1:29:26.400 --> 1:29:28.640 top impress you, like just give you a but I 1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:31.920 feel like I feels for impressions, but like someone that 1:29:32.040 --> 1:29:32.559 can fill in. 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:35.360 I feel like with the Patriots with their the situation, 1:29:35.400 --> 1:29:37.800 their on line is they're gonna need like guys who 1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:40.960 sort of kind of veteran guys who I feel like 1:29:41.520 --> 1:29:44.160 who can play at that right guard position, can who 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:47.280 citysau can develop and learn under for the future. Mainly 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:49.960 guys who have played under the Earhard Perkins system, which 1:29:50.000 --> 1:29:53.400 is the system that the Patriots use on offense. HM 1:29:54.200 --> 1:29:56.320 kind of guys like they're both signed now, but guys 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:58.920 like Kevin Dotson and Kevin Zeitler who they've played for 1:29:58.960 --> 1:30:01.760 the Steelers and Giants who have also used those type 1:30:01.800 --> 1:30:04.479 of systems that like the system is like a smash 1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:08.960 mouth offense that maximizes a team's possession and doesn't usually 1:30:08.960 --> 1:30:11.559 call on running backs as like receivers, so it's more 1:30:11.560 --> 1:30:13.600 of a throw to score, run to win type of 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:17.960 offense and like type of scheme and I feel like 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:20.719 if we can get sort of a guy who's familiar 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:22.400 with that system and can play good at right guard, 1:30:22.479 --> 1:30:24.680 sort of a veteran off the free agent market, I 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:27.800 feel like he can City South can develop under him 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:30.439 so that when the time comes, since he's very he's 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:32.719 still he's going into a sophomore season, when the time comes, 1:30:32.720 --> 1:30:36.280 he can set up to that role and excel at it. 1:30:36.360 --> 1:30:37.840 I mean, I think I think he could. I think 1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:40.760 games stay right where he is personally, I mean I think, hey, 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:43.160 I mean he's a new coach. I mean again, he 1:30:43.560 --> 1:30:46.639 was coached by Belichick last year. New coach, new system. 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:48.360 Give it a shot. I mean, toss him in there. 1:30:48.360 --> 1:30:51.200 I mean he can get experience with playing time. I mean, 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:54.080 he had thirteen starts as a rookie Eastern Michigan. He 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:56.280 had thirty one career starts. I mean, I don't. 1:30:56.080 --> 1:30:58.400 See experienced there of the position. 1:30:58.560 --> 1:31:01.240 Yeah, exactly. And I don't see what he can't. I 1:31:01.240 --> 1:31:03.720 don't see why he can't get experience as a sophomore 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:07.120 in the NFL, just by just Osmosis. 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:09.599 Okay, So what we need is we have to hope 1:31:09.600 --> 1:31:14.519 for health, relative health, and perhaps extra versatility on the 1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:16.439 line and depth. 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:21.400 Yeah, definitely depth, definitely death, Definitely depth. And I think 1:31:21.439 --> 1:31:24.600 that someone like I mentioned before, Cayenen Wallace, helps with 1:31:24.640 --> 1:31:28.160 that that we just drafted him. We drafted him and 1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:30.800 the other O line. I'm blanking on his name, but 1:31:31.600 --> 1:31:37.240 we There's definitely those two young yeah, Robinson, Yeah, Robinson, 1:31:37.840 --> 1:31:40.840 Leaden Layden Robinson, Yeah, definitely those two. How did they 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:43.160 had a lot of positives in their draft report coming 1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:46.200 out of it, and I feel like that those two 1:31:46.439 --> 1:31:48.880 that it can be like the start to getting more 1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:51.080 depth on our O line, which is definitely like something 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:52.639 that the Patriots really needed. 1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:56.840 I have a question actually, so I'm wondering how big 1:31:57.000 --> 1:32:00.200 is this season for Scott Peters. I mean, is it 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:00.880 how important is it? 1:32:00.960 --> 1:32:02.720 I think anybody that's going to be in their first 1:32:02.800 --> 1:32:04.479 year is going to be given the benefit of the doubt. 1:32:05.000 --> 1:32:09.400 That's my thought. Now, after year two, if there isn't 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:13.280 significant forward progress being made, then you can start thinking about, 1:32:13.560 --> 1:32:15.600 you know, shuffling the card deck, so to speak. But 1:32:15.880 --> 1:32:18.320 I think you know, there's there's got to be a 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:21.519 minimum a full season and then you have to take 1:32:21.520 --> 1:32:24.960 a into consideration. What happened during the year was the 1:32:25.040 --> 1:32:28.880 offensive line decimated by injury? Or was their growth? Was 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:32.000 their improvement? Uh? You know, how did the draft picks? Look? 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:34.439 You know who got coached up? Who didn't get coached 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:41.240 at all? You know is uh, you know, Cole, thank 1:32:41.320 --> 1:32:43.439 you strange. I keep wanting to call him something else 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:46.040 cold strange. Does he does he work his way back 1:32:46.040 --> 1:32:47.000 into the lineup? Yeah? 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:49.400 You know, I saw it. I saw somewhere that he's 1:32:49.439 --> 1:32:51.200 not guaranteed a spot back on the team once he's 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:54.599 fully healed, right, And I think, I think, Oh, I mean, 1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:56.960 you know, in the NFL, your job's not guarantee to me. 1:32:56.960 --> 1:32:57.840 If someone's going to get. 1:32:57.680 --> 1:32:59.400 Back, you gotta you gotta figure out a way to 1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:02.480 get healthy. You can't play if you're hurt. You gotta 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:02.960 get healthy. 1:33:03.080 --> 1:33:03.360 All right. 1:33:03.400 --> 1:33:05.639 Before we wrap up this portion of the program, how 1:33:05.680 --> 1:33:06.679 many wins this year? 1:33:07.360 --> 1:33:10.200 I think, I honestly think more than five. I don't know. 1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:11.080 I don't know what coach. 1:33:11.240 --> 1:33:12.439 You're gonna say five? 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:13.960 I say over five. 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:14.559 I don't know. 1:33:14.600 --> 1:33:16.639 I don't know coach. I think coach over here said 1:33:16.640 --> 1:33:20.360 some about six earlier before, and I don't know what 1:33:20.400 --> 1:33:22.280 he's talking about. I'll be honest, I think we're gonna 1:33:22.280 --> 1:33:25.080 get over five. I mean, new system, new knew everything. 1:33:25.080 --> 1:33:31.400 I mean, I'm talking, I'm talking about Nick coach coach, Yeah, alright, 1:33:31.760 --> 1:33:32.160 if you know. 1:33:32.120 --> 1:33:34.200 You know, all right, I'm just wondering, all right, what 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:34.599 do you think? 1:33:35.400 --> 1:33:38.240 I think that definitely with the new like the new 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:41.360 revamped offense, you have the full defense coming back, Gonzalez 1:33:41.400 --> 1:33:43.920 coming back of injury, Jude on many others. I feel 1:33:43.920 --> 1:33:45.360 like we're gonna be in that this could be a 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:46.640 bit of a stretch. I feel like we're being that 1:33:46.640 --> 1:33:51.240 eight to ten win range. Really yeah, I'm very I'm 1:33:51.360 --> 1:33:54.680 very confident, extraordinarily optimistic. I'm very optimistic. 1:33:55.360 --> 1:33:59.080 If you know, his nose is cold. Okay, good, all right, 1:33:59.240 --> 1:34:01.519 very good. What do you think wins losses? What do 1:34:01.560 --> 1:34:01.840 you think? 1:34:02.080 --> 1:34:04.719 From what I was told, the defensive line is still 1:34:04.720 --> 1:34:07.479 coming back, all of them and the same from us, 1:34:08.800 --> 1:34:10.880 so they should be strong and the chemistry should be 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:16.160 good between all of them. With the new offensive line, 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:18.439 I don't know. I mean, I'm probably gonna guess in 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:20.559 the middle around neutral. 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:24.120 So like so like eight, maybe maybe. 1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:26.280 Maybe eight something like that. 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:28.400 I think a lot of people would settle for seven 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:28.640 or eight. 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:30.880 Yeah, yeah, especially last season too. 1:34:31.120 --> 1:34:33.200 Yeah, I mean eight to nine is going to actually 1:34:33.280 --> 1:34:35.720 have If you won eight games, you would be in 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:37.240 the playoff. Mixed through December. 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:40.160 Actually, I saw, uh there was like an NFL report 1:34:40.400 --> 1:34:43.880 or something and they projected the Patriots win three games 1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:44.519 this whole season. 1:34:44.600 --> 1:34:45.400 Yeah, the Patriots. 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:47.840 Where the Patriots were the the odds on favor for 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:48.439 the number. 1:34:48.200 --> 1:34:49.360 One the Patriots. 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:52.240 I saw where they are the underdogs in every single 1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:54.559 game this season, no matter the team. They were not 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:57.439 favored to win a single game, correct, which I think 1:34:57.520 --> 1:34:58.880 is a bit outrageous in my opinion. 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:01.320 No, what do you think wins losses? What do you think? 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:02.599 I think. 1:35:04.360 --> 1:35:08.400 You're keeping the defense, which will help a lot with 1:35:08.800 --> 1:35:13.720 Lake chemistry, like Davias said, So, I mean it really 1:35:13.720 --> 1:35:15.479 comes down to the offense, you know, the whole new 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:18.920 quarterback situation, which I think will go way better than 1:35:19.000 --> 1:35:23.000 last year, the on line, how they start the season 1:35:23.040 --> 1:35:28.640 without cold strange. I'm thinking a solid nine to eight record. 1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:31.080 Really well, nine and eight, there'd be a lot of 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:33.679 people that will be, you know, you know, praising you, fellow. 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:36.840 So I'm not sure I can go that route, but 1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:39.080 I think that would be an interesting season, and nine 1:35:39.080 --> 1:35:44.240 and eight would certainly. In my honest opinion, I think 1:35:44.280 --> 1:35:46.960 it's a success if you do better than you did 1:35:47.080 --> 1:35:51.120 last year. So you know, this team managed four wins 1:35:51.160 --> 1:35:51.639 a year ago. 1:35:51.880 --> 1:35:52.559 I just. 1:35:54.040 --> 1:35:56.880 I'm gonna say six. And I haven't really even I 1:35:56.920 --> 1:35:59.479 haven't really taken a good hard look at the schedule yet. 1:35:59.479 --> 1:36:02.160 I know it's gonna be extraordinarily difficult. You know, it's 1:36:02.320 --> 1:36:04.559 strange when you have, you know, one of the worst 1:36:04.600 --> 1:36:06.559 records in the league to come back the next year 1:36:06.600 --> 1:36:09.559 with the second or third toughest schedule in the league. 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:11.840 But the problem is is that you don't You're not 1:36:11.880 --> 1:36:14.200 able to kind of patch your schedule full of Patsy's 1:36:14.280 --> 1:36:18.040 because you have a divisional rotation in terms of the 1:36:18.040 --> 1:36:21.080 schedule that the NFL predetermines. I've asked people to ask me, 1:36:21.120 --> 1:36:23.479 how come the Patriots, you know, we're terrible last year, 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:26.639 they're gonna play your tough schedule again because that's out 1:36:26.640 --> 1:36:28.880 of their control. That's set by Park Avenue in New York. 1:36:29.000 --> 1:36:32.360 So it's unfortunate, but that's the way that it kind 1:36:32.360 --> 1:36:34.599 of fell out because of the rotation. 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:38.360 So we're also in a really tough division as well. 1:36:38.840 --> 1:36:41.280 Well. This is I think all three of the teams 1:36:41.320 --> 1:36:43.479 in the division. I think Buffalo probably drops back to 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:46.160 the pack a little bit. I think Miami right now, 1:36:46.200 --> 1:36:49.080 to me, I think that the Dolphins are the favorites 1:36:49.400 --> 1:36:51.960 in the AFC East. Now I don't like the Jets. 1:36:52.000 --> 1:36:53.640 And the reason that I don't like the Jets is, 1:36:54.000 --> 1:36:55.600 you know, Aaron Rodgers is going to show me he 1:36:55.600 --> 1:36:56.280 can stay healthy. 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:58.320 Yeah, especially with playing force naps last year. 1:36:58.600 --> 1:37:01.320 It's what I mean. You know, when I see it, 1:37:01.560 --> 1:37:03.439 I may believe it. I just don't know if that's 1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:07.479 even gonna be possible. So right now, I've got Miami, Buffalo, Jets, 1:37:07.520 --> 1:37:10.160 Patriots in the APES East. But I think the Patriots 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:12.360 can win two or three games. Yeah, I was within 1:37:12.400 --> 1:37:12.960 the division. 1:37:13.200 --> 1:37:15.759 I also want to mention, like one quick thing before 1:37:16.439 --> 1:37:19.200 we have to head out. It was it was a 1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:22.680 stat last year that the Patriots held more teams to 1:37:22.800 --> 1:37:24.559 under ten points than any other team in the league. 1:37:24.640 --> 1:37:25.639 Correct on defense. 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:29.200 Correct, And the reason they had like such that bad 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:33.360 of a record is mainly the offense with the horrible 1:37:33.400 --> 1:37:33.960 O line. 1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:36.720 Or where we last in the league for points per game? 1:37:37.680 --> 1:37:39.840 Yeah, that was that was for the That was for 1:37:39.880 --> 1:37:42.439 the offense, but the defense was first in the league 1:37:42.439 --> 1:37:47.200 for like allowing under tenth like keeping teams under ten points. Yes, 1:37:47.240 --> 1:37:49.720 I feel like now with their revamped offense is why 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:51.479 I said like that eight to ten win range. 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:54.920 All right? Good enough, guys? Where do you go? 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We've got four major subjects that we've been 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:25.000 talking about here on day one of Patriots training camp 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:28.040 here at Jillette Stadium in Foxboro, and these seem to 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:31.840 be the overwhelming areas of concern for this team as 1:40:31.840 --> 1:40:34.479 we head into the twenty four to twenty five season. 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:37.360 We've talked about the quarterback battle, We've talked wide receiver. 1:40:37.760 --> 1:40:40.640 We've gone into the nuances of the offensive line and 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:44.519 whether or not there's enough talent really and versatility perhaps 1:40:44.760 --> 1:40:48.080 to be able to protect guys like Jacoby Brissett and 1:40:48.720 --> 1:40:50.840 Drake May. But now we're going to flip it to 1:40:50.880 --> 1:40:53.960 the other side of the ball for the final question 1:40:54.040 --> 1:40:57.280 of the day, because let's face it, the strong point 1:40:57.320 --> 1:41:00.080 for the New England Patriots for this season has to 1:41:00.200 --> 1:41:02.360 be on the defensive side of the ball. You're talking 1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:06.519 about an overall top five to top ten ranked defense. Even 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:09.080 a year ago when the team struggled to four wins 1:41:09.080 --> 1:41:11.200 out on the field, So if this team is to 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:15.240 sort of feign competitiveness at the start of this season, 1:41:15.720 --> 1:41:18.280 the defense is clearly going to have to carry them. 1:41:18.280 --> 1:41:20.479 And I say that because I know these guys are 1:41:20.720 --> 1:41:24.360 gonna try to back that up or perhaps even dispute that. 1:41:24.720 --> 1:41:27.920 So as we wrap up with our Dean College sports 1:41:27.920 --> 1:41:32.760 broadcasting students today, Ben Gilman, is are you a senior? Ben? 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:33.240 I am. 1:41:33.280 --> 1:41:35.240 I'm gonna be a senior next year at need Him 1:41:35.320 --> 1:41:35.799 High School. 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:37.840 Need them all right, So we've we got a local 1:41:37.880 --> 1:41:40.439 here Patriots fan? Yes, okay, I kind of thought so, 1:41:40.720 --> 1:41:43.880 Charlie Hazen. Yes, Charlie, Charlie. But Charlie, you'rean out of 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:44.519 town or aren't you? 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:46.160 Yes, I'm from Tucson, Arizona. 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:48.320 That's what I thought. So you won the award for 1:41:48.360 --> 1:41:50.679 the longest distance coming in New England. 1:41:51.000 --> 1:41:51.639 I definitely did. 1:41:51.720 --> 1:41:53.920 Yeah. What's your overall impression? Is this your first time 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:54.519 in New England? 1:41:55.000 --> 1:41:55.160 Uh? 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:57.120 Yeah, yeah, it actually is my first time here. 1:41:57.280 --> 1:41:59.080 What do you think you haven't seen much? 1:41:59.120 --> 1:42:01.920 Though not much, but it's interesting. 1:42:01.920 --> 1:42:03.840 Do you even know what an ocean looks like? 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:07.080 I did go to the ocean on Saturday? 1:42:07.280 --> 1:42:08.160 You did here? Yes? 1:42:08.200 --> 1:42:08.720 Good for you. 1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:12.200 What'd you think it was? There was no waves? 1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:14.719 No waves? Really? Why do I have to pay for beaches? 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:17.240 Exactly? 1:42:17.439 --> 1:42:17.759 Wow? 1:42:18.000 --> 1:42:21.479 Big? Okay, great Charlie. We're glad to have you, buddy. 1:42:21.520 --> 1:42:26.080 All right, Chris Rosner, should I say Chris or Christopher? Christopher? 1:42:26.120 --> 1:42:29.360 You prefer the longer version. It's fine the show. Yeah, okay, 1:42:29.400 --> 1:42:33.320 all right, Christopher Christopher? Where are? Where is your hometown? 1:42:33.320 --> 1:42:33.880 Of what you are you? 1:42:34.280 --> 1:42:36.719 I'm going to my senior year. I attend the Western 1:42:37.120 --> 1:42:40.960 High School, and I'm sadly not a Patriots fan, So 1:42:41.000 --> 1:42:42.599 I am a New York Giants fan. 1:42:42.920 --> 1:42:43.519 Big blue. 1:42:43.600 --> 1:42:46.240 That's two right now, there's two Giants fans. Okay, so 1:42:46.400 --> 1:42:48.240 I have to make a note. I got one two 1:42:48.280 --> 1:42:51.439 guys that get f's this week. Okay, I'm all set. 1:42:51.800 --> 1:42:55.360 And uh Connor vital Connor's wearing the West Virginia swag, 1:42:55.520 --> 1:42:58.800 so yeah, all right, I appreciate that, though, uh and 1:42:59.040 --> 1:43:00.960 uh Connor, you are from where and what year? 1:43:01.160 --> 1:43:03.280 I'm from Dartmouth, Mass. And I'm a senior at Bishop's 1:43:03.280 --> 1:43:04.679 Staying High School. Got Spartans? 1:43:04.720 --> 1:43:07.519 Okay, there you go. And you're from Dartmouth, yep, and 1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:08.680 you're a Patriots. 1:43:08.280 --> 1:43:09.920 Fan nope, I'm a Buffalo Bills fan. 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:14.240 Baby, Oh my god, holy cow. Yeah, wow, say you no, 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:17.080 Matt's he's agreeing with you. What are you a Buffalo? 1:43:17.479 --> 1:43:18.519 Just move move that micro around? 1:43:19.320 --> 1:43:22.640 Okay, all right, right, yeah, I get the micro un 1:43:22.640 --> 1:43:24.519 to your face and we're gonna have to look at it. Okay, good, 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:27.840 Why Buffalo? How did you become a Buffalo fan? Living 1:43:27.880 --> 1:43:28.920 in here? Living around here? 1:43:29.040 --> 1:43:30.920 I have the same birthday as Josh Allen, and I 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:32.160 like how the fans are crazy. 1:43:32.800 --> 1:43:35.320 Okay, so you're you're sort of a super member of 1:43:35.320 --> 1:43:36.160 the Bill's mafia. 1:43:36.400 --> 1:43:37.800 Yeah, and a little bit of a bandwagon. 1:43:37.880 --> 1:43:41.000 But okay, well that's all right, that's okay. That's how people, 1:43:41.080 --> 1:43:43.080 you know, Patriots fans got into the Patriot you know, 1:43:43.240 --> 1:43:46.240 you know, uh fandom because of the bandwagon, because of 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:48.679 the success over the number of years. So I understand 1:43:48.680 --> 1:43:52.040 how that works. Guys. We're gonna start it though, talking 1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:55.920 about some defense to begin with, because I can we 1:43:56.000 --> 1:43:59.479 agree that this is the strong suit for this edition 1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:01.920 of the Patriot football team. That defense is really what 1:44:01.920 --> 1:44:05.200 they have to kind of hang their head on. Absolutely. Yeah, 1:44:05.320 --> 1:44:07.720 all right, tell me though, what stands out about this 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:10.760 team defensively, and what did you see from the defenders 1:44:11.040 --> 1:44:14.200 in really a kind of loosely based practice today as 1:44:14.200 --> 1:44:15.880 we open up training camp, what did you see? 1:44:16.080 --> 1:44:18.280 They have some young pass rushers that just like to 1:44:18.320 --> 1:44:20.960 get get it done. And I feel like Matt Judon 1:44:21.080 --> 1:44:24.760 being older, he definitely like provides good leadership to the 1:44:24.760 --> 1:44:26.960 younger guys. They're gonna run this league in the next 1:44:27.040 --> 1:44:28.280 like five ten years. 1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:31.200 Okay, what else you know? 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:35.280 To kind of switch the point here, I feel like 1:44:35.320 --> 1:44:38.720 they shouldn't sign him just for the reason is he's 1:44:38.760 --> 1:44:41.360 getting old and he I feel like he can easily 1:44:41.439 --> 1:44:44.280 hurt the team with that new contract that it's using 1:44:44.560 --> 1:44:46.680 cap space on a player that's going to be thirty two, 1:44:46.800 --> 1:44:50.760 thirty three, thirty four, so on, and the Patriots can 1:44:50.840 --> 1:44:53.160 use that money on a different player that is younger 1:44:53.680 --> 1:44:56.519 and would be with the Patriots longer. And I just 1:44:56.800 --> 1:44:59.080 think he even he is a good leader and everything 1:44:59.080 --> 1:45:02.240 for the team, but being thirty two, I feel like 1:45:02.280 --> 1:45:04.720 would be a terrible investment since he can easily get 1:45:04.880 --> 1:45:06.120 hurt again since he's so old. 1:45:06.200 --> 1:45:08.720 We should update everybody because one of the things that 1:45:08.760 --> 1:45:10.680 we wanted to talk about today is, you know, do 1:45:10.800 --> 1:45:14.519 the Patriots need and does the defense and particular need 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:17.360 Matt Judah not be only because a lot of people 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:19.960 feel like he's the best athlete on that side of 1:45:19.960 --> 1:45:23.400 the ball, but because he's a veteran leader. You know, 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:26.080 he does have one year left on his current contract, 1:45:27.200 --> 1:45:29.439 but it's for little money because he got paid more 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:31.439 last year, and of course last year he spent the 1:45:31.479 --> 1:45:33.240 you know, majority of the year on the sideline because 1:45:33.280 --> 1:45:36.160 he was injured. He did tell the media before the 1:45:36.200 --> 1:45:39.839 session before practice started today that he's willing to play 1:45:39.920 --> 1:45:42.599 for what he's got this year, although he feels he's 1:45:42.640 --> 1:45:47.240 worth more. That tells me just from listening and between 1:45:47.600 --> 1:45:51.320 between the lines here. That tells me that negotiations for 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:55.400 an augmented deal are taking place. And so I think 1:45:55.439 --> 1:45:58.639 he feels like as long as progress is being made 1:45:58.720 --> 1:46:01.559 toward him getting closer to what he feels he's worth, 1:46:01.920 --> 1:46:03.800 he's going to play ball. And I think that's a 1:46:03.920 --> 1:46:07.280 positive for this new England team. Now, Charlie, I have 1:46:07.320 --> 1:46:10.080 to admit I'm not in total disagreement with your thought 1:46:10.120 --> 1:46:12.479 process because of the age and the youth and everything 1:46:12.479 --> 1:46:16.360 they're doing here, but because the Patriots new regime, the 1:46:16.400 --> 1:46:20.120 new staff you know, Elliott Wolf, you know Coach Mayo, 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:23.479 everybody in this side of the ball right because of 1:46:24.520 --> 1:46:27.200 what they've done with some of the veterans left over 1:46:27.280 --> 1:46:31.360 from the Beligick regime and resigning them to create a base. 1:46:33.080 --> 1:46:35.520 I think that you know, bringing Judaon back is imperative 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:37.720 because he's looked up to in that locker room by 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:42.200 so many players. And so if you're resigning some and 1:46:42.280 --> 1:46:44.559 you're not resenting Jude On when he has that one 1:46:44.640 --> 1:46:47.920 year left on his deal, then what kind of a signal? 1:46:47.920 --> 1:46:49.960 What kind of a message are you sending to some 1:46:50.000 --> 1:46:52.599 of those other guys. To me, it makes it almost 1:46:52.600 --> 1:46:55.880 an eggshell type of situation. You want guys playing free 1:46:55.920 --> 1:46:58.320 and easy and not having to worry about the other stuff. 1:46:58.360 --> 1:46:59.920 You want them going down there doing what they do 1:47:00.360 --> 1:47:04.760 now age wise. I cannot I couldn't agree more. I 1:47:04.800 --> 1:47:06.479 think you're spot on on that. I think it's time 1:47:06.600 --> 1:47:08.320 you get to be thirty two. You don't need to 1:47:08.320 --> 1:47:11.120 be paying somebody, you know, eighty jillion dollars or whatever 1:47:11.160 --> 1:47:13.000 they're gonna pay the guy. I think you have to 1:47:13.040 --> 1:47:15.760 make sure that you're investing in the younger players that 1:47:15.800 --> 1:47:17.840 can play the position. Go side to side, whatever it 1:47:17.880 --> 1:47:20.280 may be, cover ground because we know, on the defensive 1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:22.760 side of the ball in this day and age, you'd 1:47:22.760 --> 1:47:25.559 better have some speed, you'd better have some fluidity, and 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:28.240 your linebackers in particular, had better know how to cover 1:47:28.360 --> 1:47:30.639 backs coming out of the backfield because if you don't, 1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:32.880 you're gonna get beat on wheel roots left and right 1:47:33.240 --> 1:47:35.880 and you're gonna be just grasping it straw. So you 1:47:36.000 --> 1:47:38.760 got to have speed, you gotta have versatility. I mean, 1:47:39.080 --> 1:47:42.280 we love guys like Jowan Bentley, you know, the thumper 1:47:42.320 --> 1:47:45.320 at middle linebacker, but guys like that are rare now 1:47:45.360 --> 1:47:48.200 in the league, and so it's good to see him 1:47:48.240 --> 1:47:51.240 develop a little bit. But Jude on being sort of 1:47:51.280 --> 1:47:53.120 the I mean, you know, first of all, he's not 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:55.080 a traditional linebacker. We know that he you know, he's 1:47:55.080 --> 1:48:00.519 a a what's the word, I'm looking for, a three 1:48:00.880 --> 1:48:03.080 down lineman or you know that kind of thing. He's 1:48:03.120 --> 1:48:06.559 in a point stance where he'll line up on defensive end, 1:48:06.560 --> 1:48:09.240 so he don'ton't necessarily be in the linebacking corps. He'll 1:48:09.280 --> 1:48:11.479 line up defensive end, he'll rush the quarterback, he'll get 1:48:11.479 --> 1:48:13.799 after him if he can put pressure on the quarterback. 1:48:13.840 --> 1:48:17.480 He's valuable. If he can't get pressure on the quarterback, 1:48:19.240 --> 1:48:20.960 I would say, all right, then you probably got to 1:48:21.000 --> 1:48:23.479 make your move. So here's my prediction. All right, See, 1:48:23.520 --> 1:48:27.559 if you like this Charlie starts out, he'll play all right. 1:48:27.920 --> 1:48:30.160 But if he doesn't bring in numbers and he doesn't 1:48:30.200 --> 1:48:34.800 effectively or effectively affect this team, I think you'll see 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:37.559 them move in younger players and he's going to move 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:39.680 off into the limelight and maybe even you know, be 1:48:39.760 --> 1:48:42.920 some kind of a trade deal. And my guess is 1:48:42.920 --> 1:48:48.880 they'll probably fill his contract with incentives. And if they 1:48:48.920 --> 1:48:52.800 fill contract with incentives and he can't possibly make those incentives, 1:48:53.240 --> 1:48:55.320 you'll probably see him be willing to move back because 1:48:55.320 --> 1:48:58.240 he'll want to keep himself healthy for his next contract. 1:48:58.320 --> 1:48:59.680 What do you think I do want to add to 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:02.800 that is I noticed that last year he did get 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:05.559 a boost in his contract, like an extra pay, and 1:49:06.400 --> 1:49:09.639 now coming to this season, he's wanting more. So I'm 1:49:09.680 --> 1:49:13.000 just curious on your point here, is he really looking 1:49:13.000 --> 1:49:15.839 for the money or is he just here? 1:49:17.240 --> 1:49:19.320 I don't know that he's looking for the money. He doesn't. 1:49:19.360 --> 1:49:22.400 I mean, look, he's a flamboyant guy, you know, he's 1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:25.080 he's outspoken, but he has looked up to in that 1:49:25.080 --> 1:49:27.880 locker room. I don't think he's one of those guys 1:49:27.880 --> 1:49:30.519 that basically says, hey, show me the money first. I 1:49:30.560 --> 1:49:33.000 don't think he is, yeah, agree with you. I mean, 1:49:33.040 --> 1:49:35.880 you know, I think at first I thought he might be. 1:49:36.360 --> 1:49:38.639 I know, he brought that kind of a street rep, 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:41.280 you know, when he came from the Ravens. But I 1:49:41.680 --> 1:49:44.000 gotta tell you, I you know, after listening to him talk, 1:49:45.040 --> 1:49:48.080 seeing his interactivity with his teammates, what he said in 1:49:48.160 --> 1:49:51.400 the media, I'm not sure. I think this guy truly 1:49:51.439 --> 1:49:53.640 wants to win, and I think he would like to 1:49:53.680 --> 1:49:56.519 build something back here in New England, as all these 1:49:56.520 --> 1:49:59.360 guys would, because you know, everybody knows, you know, England, 1:49:59.479 --> 1:50:02.080 you know, had the dynastic thing going for twenty years, 1:50:02.080 --> 1:50:03.200 and I think a lot of these guys would like 1:50:03.240 --> 1:50:05.320 to be a part of the second wave of that 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:07.040 and try to build it back to the way it was. 1:50:07.200 --> 1:50:09.120 And I think Judahan is one of those guys that 1:50:09.520 --> 1:50:14.559 could appreciate that. Now having said that, he and Bill 1:50:14.560 --> 1:50:18.240 Belichick had a mutual admiration thing gone, Yes, okay, Coach 1:50:18.280 --> 1:50:21.400 Belichick is no longer here, so I'm wondering what his 1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:27.240 incentive might be, especially if he doesn't perform up to 1:50:27.360 --> 1:50:30.720 the expectations that we all have for him once the 1:50:30.760 --> 1:50:34.960 season starts, and where that leaves this team. Does the 1:50:35.000 --> 1:50:38.519 defense take a step back? And I mean this is 1:50:38.560 --> 1:50:40.920 where I can see why some people predict this team 1:50:40.920 --> 1:50:42.960 to only get three or four wins this year, because 1:50:43.320 --> 1:50:46.439 if the defense takes a step back, then this defense, 1:50:46.479 --> 1:50:48.080 this team is going to really struggle. 1:50:48.240 --> 1:50:50.599 Yeah, and I do agree with you. I think that 1:50:50.640 --> 1:50:53.839 New England is a it's a very special place for sports. 1:50:53.880 --> 1:50:58.000 New England has extremely loyal fans. And just today actually 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:02.479 after the first training day, this reporter by the name 1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:05.840 of Dakota Randall, he got a chance to interview Matt 1:51:06.360 --> 1:51:08.800 and Matt says that if it were me and if 1:51:08.840 --> 1:51:11.479 everything goes well, he'd love to stay in Boston forever. 1:51:11.560 --> 1:51:13.280 He really wants to be a part of that second 1:51:13.360 --> 1:51:16.600 dynasty and he doesn't want to move again. And he 1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:18.320 mentioned that he doesn't want to be traded. 1:51:18.760 --> 1:51:21.680 Good. So see, that's that's positive. Yeah, Dacota Randalls with 1:51:21.760 --> 1:51:24.200 nesson dot Com. So yes, yeah, okay, I. 1:51:24.120 --> 1:51:26.559 Feel like he's an absolute team guy, like as he's 1:51:26.560 --> 1:51:29.040 saying like we're at training camp and we see him 1:51:29.080 --> 1:51:31.000 run out and he's just playing catch with the kids. 1:51:31.120 --> 1:51:33.080 He wants to be here, like he loves New England. 1:51:33.120 --> 1:51:35.200 He's an all around Patriots guy. I feel like he 1:51:35.240 --> 1:51:38.960 represents the Patriots team absolutely in a beautiful way. 1:51:39.160 --> 1:51:41.120 Okay, I mean to add on to that. I mean 1:51:41.720 --> 1:51:42.880 back to what Charlie was saying. 1:51:42.920 --> 1:51:45.240 For the age wise, I mean there's a negative and 1:51:45.280 --> 1:51:49.840 positivity about that desit with the new ventensive coronator like 1:51:50.000 --> 1:51:52.880 this came in DeMarcus comings In, who just you know, 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:56.920 was the coronator down in Washington State. So for me, 1:51:57.080 --> 1:51:59.640 it's like for that young experience for him because he's 1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:01.000 been a you know what linebacker for. 1:52:01.000 --> 1:52:01.880 The Patriots before. 1:52:02.680 --> 1:52:03.840 But for me, it's like. 1:52:04.040 --> 1:52:07.559 Having that veteran guy who's been there, done that, especially 1:52:07.600 --> 1:52:10.240 with all these young guys. I mean, you definitely want 1:52:10.280 --> 1:52:13.720 to keep this team as defensive possibly possible as you can, 1:52:13.800 --> 1:52:16.400 because I mean, to be honest, last year when I 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:18.800 watched games, you know, their defense kept him in the games. 1:52:18.800 --> 1:52:20.800 The offense wasn't provided. I mean I remember one game 1:52:21.560 --> 1:52:24.559 the Chargers and they got zero points and the defense 1:52:24.600 --> 1:52:27.800 allowed six points. So it's something like that, where you know, 1:52:27.920 --> 1:52:31.040 Judon Leavin or dude On not being signed here could 1:52:31.120 --> 1:52:34.280 affect just like the rookies because he's a big leader, 1:52:34.560 --> 1:52:36.920 he's main guy in the locker room. I mean, Patriot 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:40.200 fans want him. I mean I saw today Huntreds to 1:52:40.320 --> 1:52:42.920 Judon shirts. I mean people love him. I mean, he's 1:52:42.960 --> 1:52:44.320 he's a he's a big fan favorite. 1:52:44.400 --> 1:52:47.000 He is a fan favorite. The fans seem to want 1:52:47.080 --> 1:52:51.160 him to still be here. I just you know the 1:52:51.280 --> 1:52:53.559 question that I asked you guys originally. I think when 1:52:53.600 --> 1:52:57.839 we started all this though, is does this defense need 1:52:58.080 --> 1:53:01.080 let's put a capital in on that word need. Does 1:53:01.120 --> 1:53:04.680 it need matt Judon? Why or why not? 1:53:05.040 --> 1:53:05.200 So? 1:53:06.000 --> 1:53:06.160 What? 1:53:06.200 --> 1:53:08.519 I so? What Matt Judon does? 1:53:08.560 --> 1:53:10.920 He changes the game, He can shake up the other 1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:14.479 team's game plans, and if he's still a Patriot, which 1:53:14.520 --> 1:53:17.799 is what the Patriots, Patriots need after that blue blow 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:22.080 average season last year. So I think there's definitely some 1:53:22.240 --> 1:53:26.800 key things that the Patriots need Matthew Judon. But in 1:53:27.439 --> 1:53:30.920 my idea, I feel like there's gonna be better younger 1:53:30.960 --> 1:53:34.880 players out there that they should start developing him. Even 1:53:34.880 --> 1:53:37.640 though Matthew Judon, he is definitely a good leader in 1:53:37.680 --> 1:53:40.479 the locker room, showing the younger people how to do everything. 1:53:40.600 --> 1:53:43.080 So you don't think they need him with a capitol 1:53:43.080 --> 1:53:44.920 in I don't exactly think they need him. 1:53:45.000 --> 1:53:47.800 He's definitely a good aspect to the Patriots defense. Just 1:53:47.840 --> 1:53:50.360 saying on how good he did with his twenty twenty 1:53:50.360 --> 1:53:54.040 two season with fifteen and a half sacks and a 1:53:54.040 --> 1:53:58.400 lot of quarterback rushes. I think he adds a lot 1:53:58.479 --> 1:54:02.120 to the team. But very close here, it's gonna be 1:54:02.320 --> 1:54:05.479 his retirement. He's not going to be at his prime anymore. 1:54:05.720 --> 1:54:07.679 Okay, that's what I think, Ben, What do you think? 1:54:07.840 --> 1:54:08.080 Yeah? 1:54:08.720 --> 1:54:11.320 On the talking about in twenty twenty two, for example, 1:54:11.439 --> 1:54:14.360 during Week five, the Patriots were playing the Detroit Lions 1:54:14.400 --> 1:54:17.639 and the Detroit Lions got zero points, Patriots got twenty 1:54:17.760 --> 1:54:21.240 nine points and Matt had two sacks himself. That he 1:54:21.320 --> 1:54:23.960 was the leader of the defense that game, and he 1:54:24.080 --> 1:54:27.320 was a mentor to everybody on the defense. And I 1:54:27.880 --> 1:54:30.400 think that it is valuable even though he is getting 1:54:30.439 --> 1:54:34.000 older and he's not gonna run us fast, but having 1:54:34.080 --> 1:54:36.880 him to tell these young players what to do if 1:54:36.880 --> 1:54:39.560 he steps down, and if we have nobody, which which 1:54:39.600 --> 1:54:41.760 young player are we gonna grab. Are we going to say, Okay, 1:54:41.880 --> 1:54:44.040 you're now going to be the mentor he needs to 1:54:44.120 --> 1:54:47.960 teach other people? And then once he finally goes, people 1:54:48.000 --> 1:54:49.720 are going to step up into his position. 1:54:50.080 --> 1:54:52.200 So you think they need him? I do think though, Okay, 1:54:52.280 --> 1:54:55.680 all right, so we have one nay, one yeah, and 1:54:56.120 --> 1:55:01.160 I'm really kind of in the nay category, although I 1:55:01.160 --> 1:55:03.360 would like him to be here. But if I'm really 1:55:03.360 --> 1:55:09.960 gonna answer my own question, need I I know, sure, Okay, 1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:11.400 what do you think, Connor? You want to go? 1:55:11.800 --> 1:55:13.480 So I feel like I'm just gonna be honest. The 1:55:13.520 --> 1:55:15.960 Patriots have not been as good as they were in 1:55:16.000 --> 1:55:19.040 the past years, even though their defense is pretty solid. 1:55:19.080 --> 1:55:22.240 I feel like Matt Judon is a key contributor on 1:55:22.280 --> 1:55:25.240 that team. He gets the sacks, he gets the boys going, 1:55:25.600 --> 1:55:27.800 he gives them what they want, and I just feel 1:55:27.840 --> 1:55:29.600 like without him, it's just gonna be a bunch of 1:55:29.640 --> 1:55:32.800 young guys that don't have enough mentor, and I feel 1:55:32.800 --> 1:55:36.000 like he just gives them that energy, he gets them going. 1:55:36.200 --> 1:55:37.320 He's just that guy. 1:55:37.520 --> 1:55:40.480 Okay means Christopher Sorry interrupt, So speaking of your second 1:55:40.520 --> 1:55:44.040 wave of the dynasty. So with him being gone, if, 1:55:44.000 --> 1:55:46.040 for example, because I'm on the neath side for sure. 1:55:46.120 --> 1:55:48.480 With him, I mean, he has still a lot of talent. 1:55:48.560 --> 1:55:50.520 I mean he's still had fifteen and a half sacks 1:55:50.560 --> 1:55:54.720 the year before last year, so he's definitely was, you know, productive, 1:55:55.120 --> 1:55:57.120 and for me, a lot of things that you know 1:55:57.280 --> 1:55:59.720 he said and you know in his tweets and or 1:55:59.760 --> 1:56:02.560 what he said out loud was even though he's finely 1:56:02.600 --> 1:56:04.680 playing with it, he thinks it's not a fair value, 1:56:04.680 --> 1:56:08.360 which I understand for sure. I mean there's guys, you know, 1:56:08.400 --> 1:56:10.760 because I'm a Giants fan, Brian Burns got signed to 1:56:10.960 --> 1:56:13.440 a big contract for one hundred and fifty one million dollars, 1:56:13.960 --> 1:56:15.840 you know, and that's a guy who was, you know, 1:56:15.920 --> 1:56:18.960 maybe better or maybe as good as Judon, so as 1:56:18.960 --> 1:56:22.040 he sees that, because he also spoke about how it's 1:56:22.080 --> 1:56:24.320 tough to not to walk around, you know, every day 1:56:24.400 --> 1:56:26.520 training camp and see all these guys get paid big 1:56:26.640 --> 1:56:29.440 money and then you know that you deserve it, but 1:56:29.600 --> 1:56:32.280 everyone's going to disclude you because your age and your injuries. 1:56:32.320 --> 1:56:34.600 And he's been consistently healthy guy in most of his 1:56:34.600 --> 1:56:37.920 career and he's played seventeen games. I mean he had 1:56:38.120 --> 1:56:40.440 two games out in twenty twenty because of the COVID, 1:56:40.920 --> 1:56:43.120 But I mean last year was one stint, so we 1:56:43.200 --> 1:56:46.480 don't know. But for me, definitely, with the new defensive coordinator, 1:56:46.840 --> 1:56:49.520 with everyone being so young, they need someone else to 1:56:49.640 --> 1:56:51.440 stand up and be a veter in that locker room. 1:56:51.480 --> 1:56:55.120 So for me, yeah, yeah, And let me quantifyed need, 1:56:55.200 --> 1:56:58.400 because yeah, there are more things than just football talent 1:56:58.480 --> 1:57:02.080 that are needed on a roster, and it's those intangibles 1:57:02.320 --> 1:57:04.520 that the Patriots have taken pride in over a number 1:57:04.560 --> 1:57:07.320 of years when they've had leaders like Willie McGinnis to 1:57:07.360 --> 1:57:10.640 Teddy Bruski and Vince Wilfork and so many that have 1:57:10.760 --> 1:57:16.200 come down the pike, and they're all needed. But when 1:57:16.320 --> 1:57:18.040 you get a little bit longer in the tooth, you 1:57:18.040 --> 1:57:23.040 get a little bit older, the need changes, and so 1:57:24.240 --> 1:57:27.360 can you adjust to what the need of the team is. 1:57:27.680 --> 1:57:30.000 And that's really kind of where we are. Those players, 1:57:30.000 --> 1:57:32.720 for the most part, did adjust because they were able 1:57:32.760 --> 1:57:34.880 to kind of keep up with their abilities on the field. 1:57:35.480 --> 1:57:39.000 The Patriots needed it. I don't think as much today 1:57:39.080 --> 1:57:41.720 because there is so much versatility in the game, so 1:57:41.720 --> 1:57:44.320 many different guys can do so many different things. I 1:57:44.360 --> 1:57:47.160 think that versatility certainly can make you deeper but it 1:57:47.240 --> 1:57:49.280 can also make guys expendable if you can't do the 1:57:49.360 --> 1:57:53.080 job that you're signed to do. Matt Judon is signed 1:57:53.280 --> 1:57:57.400 to rush the passer. If he can't rush the passer, 1:57:57.800 --> 1:58:02.040 the need dries up. Now that's on a football sense. 1:58:02.400 --> 1:58:07.120 The need for leadership, the need for veteran mentorship still 1:58:07.120 --> 1:58:10.880 exists and will probably always exist. That kind of then 1:58:11.160 --> 1:58:14.840 situation would fall to a guy like Jacoby Brissett, would 1:58:14.840 --> 1:58:17.120 probably fall to the head coach and Gerrod Mail. It 1:58:17.120 --> 1:58:19.480 would fall to the veteran people who have been around 1:58:19.520 --> 1:58:22.440 the game for a number of years, more so than 1:58:22.480 --> 1:58:25.360 the players on the field. I feel like the Patriots 1:58:25.360 --> 1:58:28.160 initially wanted to and my guess is that that they're 1:58:28.200 --> 1:58:32.520 doing this. Bring him back with an augmented deal, play 1:58:32.520 --> 1:58:34.600 on the last year, give him. You can add some 1:58:34.640 --> 1:58:36.680 incentives to the deal where you can still play on 1:58:36.720 --> 1:58:39.040 it and it won't hurt your overall cap. They've still 1:58:39.080 --> 1:58:40.880 got a little bit of money to play with. I 1:58:40.880 --> 1:58:44.680 think they're like ninth in money spent in the NFL 1:58:44.760 --> 1:58:47.840 after this off season, which there still gives them a 1:58:47.840 --> 1:58:51.120 little bit of breathing room, and I think they'll give 1:58:51.160 --> 1:58:54.600 him every opportunity to reach those incentives, but if he 1:58:54.640 --> 1:58:57.600 doesn't get closed, then the need will dwindle. 1:58:58.240 --> 1:59:00.800 So to add to you on that with the cap space, 1:59:01.280 --> 1:59:03.400 I was seeing that the Patriots do have the second 1:59:03.440 --> 1:59:06.680 most cap space in the NFL yep with I think 1:59:07.080 --> 1:59:10.839 around fifty three million right now. So if the Patriots 1:59:10.880 --> 1:59:13.840 really wanted to sign Matt Judon again, I feel like 1:59:13.840 --> 1:59:16.520 they would have already done it. They're they're trying to 1:59:16.560 --> 1:59:19.760 see probably during this training camp, is he really gonna 1:59:19.920 --> 1:59:21.200 do we really still need him? 1:59:21.440 --> 1:59:23.320 That he said the right things today, then didn't he. 1:59:23.360 --> 1:59:27.240 Yes, yes he did, Okay, And I think that the 1:59:27.280 --> 1:59:30.480 Patriots are also in this this rebuild state. 1:59:32.000 --> 1:59:33.360 A whole other topic. 1:59:33.440 --> 1:59:35.280 You know, we we have all these young people and 1:59:35.400 --> 1:59:38.920 we're building them up to be as good as Matt 1:59:38.960 --> 1:59:40.080 one day. 1:59:40.240 --> 1:59:42.280 You have to you have to have to. And that's 1:59:42.320 --> 1:59:44.120 part of the reason. I mean that does add to 1:59:44.160 --> 1:59:46.480 some of the need because if you're signing these other 1:59:46.560 --> 1:59:49.760 veteran players in the off season, well why not Judon. Well, 1:59:49.760 --> 1:59:51.960 but Judon's in a little bit of a category. Number one, 1:59:51.960 --> 1:59:54.240 he's older. Number two, he's got to he had a 1:59:54.280 --> 1:59:56.960 heavier contre. Number three, he's coming off you know, an 1:59:56.960 --> 1:59:58.680 injury that knocked him out for much of the year. 1:59:59.120 --> 2:00:01.760 And so to me, if I'm looking at it strictly 2:00:01.800 --> 2:00:04.640 from a money since, I'd go to Matt and I'd say, look, 2:00:04.680 --> 2:00:07.120 you know, we want you here, we want you to 2:00:07.120 --> 2:00:10.200 be a part of this, but we you know, paid 2:00:10.200 --> 2:00:12.040 you a lot of money last year and you lasted 2:00:12.120 --> 2:00:15.280 what three four games, So you know, can you meet 2:00:15.320 --> 2:00:17.400 us halfway on some of this stuff, you know, and 2:00:17.440 --> 2:00:19.640 we'll try to give you enough to where you can 2:00:19.720 --> 2:00:22.360 earn the money and then you know, when the off season, 2:00:22.360 --> 2:00:24.760 you know, when the off season rolls around, hopefully you've 2:00:24.760 --> 2:00:26.680 built yourself up another the resume where you can go 2:00:26.680 --> 2:00:29.080 out and get another contract. And if not, hey we're 2:00:29.120 --> 2:00:31.400 still here and we'll still be an option. And I 2:00:31.760 --> 2:00:33.880 think that's really the way to play it. It seems 2:00:33.920 --> 2:00:37.200 to me, at least from his initial comments today, that 2:00:37.320 --> 2:00:39.200 you know, he's willing to play ball, and I think 2:00:39.280 --> 2:00:42.760 that is a huge positive step for the New England Pagers, 2:00:42.840 --> 2:00:45.880 not just the defense, but this team overall, if he's 2:00:46.200 --> 2:00:50.000 not gonna hold out. Because I was scared death, not literally, 2:00:50.040 --> 2:00:52.960 but you know what I mean. I was concerned that 2:00:53.000 --> 2:00:55.080 he wouldn't show it all today and then of course 2:00:55.120 --> 2:00:57.040 I heard last night that he was coming in. I know, 2:00:57.120 --> 2:00:58.800 you guys would get a chance to you probably see 2:00:58.840 --> 2:01:00.880 him a little bit on the field today, which you did. 2:01:01.360 --> 2:01:03.640 What were your impressions of what you saw on defense? 2:01:04.240 --> 2:01:06.400 I feel like he could have gotten a lot more 2:01:06.400 --> 2:01:07.240 in on defense. 2:01:07.400 --> 2:01:07.800 I was. 2:01:07.920 --> 2:01:10.200 I did like what I saw, but I just feel 2:01:10.200 --> 2:01:12.480 like he didn't play as much as I expected him 2:01:12.480 --> 2:01:12.960 to play. 2:01:13.080 --> 2:01:17.440 Okay, Christopher, And for me sending as you know mcconnor said, 2:01:17.440 --> 2:01:19.880 I mean, the reps were lacking. I mean I saw 2:01:19.920 --> 2:01:22.760 a lot of times on the side. I mean for me, 2:01:22.880 --> 2:01:25.000 he definitely I think he did see some good things. 2:01:25.040 --> 2:01:27.560 I mean definitely over by you know, the second field 2:01:27.560 --> 2:01:29.840 I was at, I saw the linebacker group and just 2:01:29.840 --> 2:01:30.880 trying to teach him stuff. 2:01:30.920 --> 2:01:32.720 And look, he definitely looked really helpful. 2:01:32.760 --> 2:01:34.920 So you did see some you know, sort of coach 2:01:34.960 --> 2:01:35.920 speak out there front. 2:01:35.800 --> 2:01:38.160 Yeah, and for sure, and I saw some friend friendly ship. 2:01:38.240 --> 2:01:40.280 And obviously when he walked up, you know and came 2:01:40.280 --> 2:01:42.520 out of the field hang out with the fans and 2:01:42.560 --> 2:01:44.880 you know, obviously waited a couple of fans are screaming 2:01:44.920 --> 2:01:47.520 his name. And he's a good guy, you know, because 2:01:47.640 --> 2:01:51.000 you know, he's been you know, for his life. You know, 2:01:51.040 --> 2:01:54.160 he grew up with nine brothers and sisters and he's 2:01:54.200 --> 2:01:56.840 known how the team team works. So for him, it's 2:01:56.840 --> 2:01:59.800 not I'm not so concerned about him. I'm not concerned 2:01:59.800 --> 2:02:02.840 about the Patriots because, like Charlie said, why would to 2:02:02.840 --> 2:02:05.120 pay him now? Because they have all this cap space. 2:02:05.560 --> 2:02:08.000 Which another thing to add on is they play these 2:02:08.000 --> 2:02:11.080 guys on offense their job. So far, they haven't showed up, 2:02:11.280 --> 2:02:13.560 like there's a stat of him being them being the 2:02:13.600 --> 2:02:16.920 worst in the league offensively and defensively they're Karen the Low. 2:02:17.000 --> 2:02:22.080 They're making stops on these big time offensive teams, he 2:02:22.160 --> 2:02:24.960 said last year. So for me, they need Judon for 2:02:25.000 --> 2:02:27.560 that reason. Also, he's just a good presence of the team. 2:02:27.680 --> 2:02:30.880 So definitely, you know, if they're gonna sign him, yes, 2:02:30.920 --> 2:02:31.480 sign him now. 2:02:31.520 --> 2:02:33.600 So you would be for the sign in terms of 2:02:33.640 --> 2:02:36.160 the need overall. Yes, Connory, what about you? 2:02:36.480 --> 2:02:39.280 Yeah, I would want to sign him again. I just 2:02:39.280 --> 2:02:42.600 feel like now, especially after all we saw a training camp, 2:02:42.640 --> 2:02:45.360 he's becoming more of a mentor than a star player, 2:02:45.640 --> 2:02:47.760 which is absolutely what the Patriots need. Is they have 2:02:47.760 --> 2:02:48.919 a very young defense. 2:02:49.000 --> 2:02:53.200 Yeah, yeah, Ben, you know, first This was my very 2:02:53.200 --> 2:02:56.040 first time actually at a NFL training camp, and it 2:02:56.120 --> 2:02:58.200 was such an exciting place to be and it was 2:02:58.240 --> 2:03:01.760 an amazing opportunity. When I first there, I saw Matt 2:03:01.760 --> 2:03:04.040 playing with the fans. I saw him connecting. He has 2:03:04.080 --> 2:03:06.760 this chemistry with his teammates and with all of his fans. 2:03:06.840 --> 2:03:10.160 People were smiling, and on the field he was he 2:03:10.200 --> 2:03:12.200 was great. We were actually we were all watching together 2:03:13.360 --> 2:03:15.520 as a group. And I think that even though they 2:03:15.520 --> 2:03:20.320 are in this rebuilt state, having a mentor for these young, young, 2:03:20.400 --> 2:03:22.800 up and coming players is very important. And like you said, 2:03:22.880 --> 2:03:27.160 I agree with the incentives where hey, you can play, 2:03:27.200 --> 2:03:30.000 but you have to reach these goals to get your money. 2:03:30.040 --> 2:03:32.360 And I think that that's very important for him because 2:03:32.360 --> 2:03:34.640 he can stay. He doesn't want to leave, he doesn't 2:03:34.640 --> 2:03:38.160 want to be traded. However, he still needs to play 2:03:38.160 --> 2:03:40.480 well and still needs to reach these goals. 2:03:40.640 --> 2:03:42.320 Charlie, what were your observations today? 2:03:42.840 --> 2:03:46.320 Oh, so what I saw today? I saw him on 2:03:46.360 --> 2:03:47.160 the left field. 2:03:47.280 --> 2:03:52.000 He was getting after the quarterback, definitely, But I mean 2:03:52.040 --> 2:03:53.760 I barely got to see him play. 2:03:53.880 --> 2:03:56.400 He I didn't see much out of him. 2:03:56.560 --> 2:03:59.320 Others say he did, but I mean, I'm not really sure, 2:03:59.520 --> 2:04:03.560 I could have a wrong, but I definitely think right 2:04:03.600 --> 2:04:07.600 now the Patriots are looking at him as kind of 2:04:07.800 --> 2:04:12.200 in the back space because he he wants to get paid. 2:04:12.360 --> 2:04:13.040 That's obvious. 2:04:13.360 --> 2:04:17.440 But I just think I just think the Patriots are 2:04:17.640 --> 2:04:20.800 kind of looking past him. I feel like the Patriots 2:04:21.040 --> 2:04:23.880 are trying to find that new guy and stuff like that. 2:04:24.000 --> 2:04:27.520 Yeah, all right, can't disagree with that. Guys. Good job, 2:04:27.920 --> 2:04:31.520 thank you, all right, you got it. Hey, bud Light's 2:04:31.520 --> 2:04:34.240 a proud sponsor of Patriots playbook Easy to Drink, Easy 2:04:34.240 --> 2:04:36.880 to Enjoy. Bud Light the official beer sponsor of the 2:04:36.920 --> 2:04:40.040 New England Patriots. All Right, our thanks to my Dean 2:04:40.120 --> 2:04:42.840 College Sports broadcasting class. I'm gonna name them all one 2:04:42.920 --> 2:04:45.000 last time here. All right, We're gonna go right through 2:04:45.000 --> 2:04:49.400 the list here, Adelina Auben, Patrick Dacy, Eric Darcy, Dawson, Dbari, 2:04:49.880 --> 2:04:55.560 Nick Julinis, Benjamin Gilman, Jack Grossik, Charlie Hazen, Noah Hire, 2:04:55.720 --> 2:05:02.280 Noah Laspina, Mark Manfreda, Daniel Piasecki, have A Powell, Christopher Rosner, 2:05:02.560 --> 2:05:06.920 Chase Stevens, Connor Vital. Okay, you guys did a good job. 2:05:07.400 --> 2:05:10.800 Thank you, thank you, Thank you for the opportunity Godills. 2:05:11.600 --> 2:05:14.240 I'm not letting you step on that way, got his mic. 2:05:15.640 --> 2:05:18.560 Hello to my whole family watching out there too, my mom. 2:05:18.840 --> 2:05:20.280 Yeah, any shout outs, Yeah. 2:05:20.080 --> 2:05:23.120 I'd like to shout out my friends. George Kittle, I 2:05:23.160 --> 2:05:25.480 love you, Oh, Josh Allen. 2:05:25.680 --> 2:05:33.400 Also everybody at the need Him channel, Mike Kristen, Ashley, Alex. 2:05:35.080 --> 2:05:35.520 Project. 2:05:35.720 --> 2:05:35.960 Yeah. 2:05:39.480 --> 2:05:41.440 Now we pissed off everybody else in the class because 2:05:41.440 --> 2:05:44.120 they didn't get to do shoutouts. Okay, see Nick is 2:05:44.120 --> 2:05:45.839 back there waving on the other side of the glass. 2:05:45.840 --> 2:05:49.600 Coach coach k thanks to Thanks to the Marine Matt 2:05:49.640 --> 2:05:52.360 Morrell for getting this all done as well. Our August 2:05:52.560 --> 2:05:56.800 edition August twenty eighth, officially August twenty eighth, So you 2:05:56.800 --> 2:05:58.920 want to tune in, then we may do a special 2:05:59.000 --> 2:06:02.200 one before the Washington game on the twenty first, but 2:06:02.400 --> 2:06:04.480 stay tuned to social media for that one. 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