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Speaker 2: Hoop, you had a great weekend, everybody. Gang's all here
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Speaker 2: and we get ready for a national title game coming
Speaker 2: up tonight. Although I'm listening to ESPN promoting this and
Speaker 2: it's David versus Goliath. Huh, excuse me? Notre Dame a David.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Now you might look at the
Speaker 2: point spread and say eight eight and a half. But
Speaker 2: Notre Dame one of the more storied, maybe the most
Speaker 2: storied franchise of all time in college football history, going
Speaker 2: against the Ohio State. So that'll be coming up tonight.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Ryan Clark of the Mothership.
Speaker 2: His son plays for Notre Dame. He's a defensive back.
Speaker 2: He'll be playing in the National title game tonight, so
Speaker 2: he'll join us a little double duty with a father
Speaker 2: watching his son, but also we'll recap some of the
Speaker 2: football with him Steve Young, the Hall of Famer. A
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame versus Ohio State Chiefs handled the Texans, Commanders
Speaker 2: shock the Lions, Eagles hold off the Rams, and the
Speaker 2: Bills hold off the Ravens. Also the head coaching vacancies
Speaker 2: that will change probably this week. Bear's Cowboys, Jets, Jags, Raiders, Saints.
Speaker 2: Couldn't help but think about the Cowboys over the weekend,
Speaker 2: certainly when you see that the Eagles and Commanders are
Speaker 2: facing each other in the NFC title game. Also you
Speaker 2: have Dan Quinn, who was defensive coordinator with the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: who's with the Commanders. And also Kellen Moore, who was
Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator for the Cowboys, the offensive coordinator for
Speaker 2: the Eagles. Do they interview Kellen Moore? They gonna Well,
Speaker 2: if they do, they have to wait a little while here.
Speaker 2: But the fact that you had him and you had
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn, you let both get out of the building
Speaker 2: and you're still looking for a head coach feels like
Speaker 2: I don't have any information on this. It feels like
Speaker 2: we're starting to see the temperature on Dion going to
Speaker 2: Dallas lower a little bit.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: I think it was nice, it was fun, and everybody
Speaker 2: grabbed it, ran with it and speculated. But it feels
Speaker 2: like maybe that's been tempered just a little bit. So
Speaker 2: we'll keep an eye on what could happen this week
Speaker 2: now with Ben Jonson and Aaron Glenn, the coordinators with
Speaker 2: the Lions available to do interviews, have a poll question,
Speaker 2: play of the day, stat of the day, all of
Speaker 2: that forthcoming, and the early conference championship betting lines. According
Speaker 2: to DraftKings, the Commanders are getting five and a half
Speaker 2: against the Eagles. The Bills are getting one and a
Speaker 2: half against the Chiefs. I also found this interesting, the
Speaker 2: best odds to win the Super Bowl. Well, I'm not
Speaker 2: so prized at this. I think the Eagles had been
Speaker 2: the best team in football for quite some time. Then
Speaker 2: it's the Chiefs Bills Commanders a distant fourth here, But
Speaker 2: the early odds to win the Super Bowl MVP. It's
Speaker 2: two players who have the best dods. If you said
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, you'd be correct, and if you said Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: you would be correct. Both can't be in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: but they both have the best odds, followed by Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, and Jaden Daniels. This was really a Saquon
Speaker 2: Barkley weekend. In a Jaden Daniels weekend. Now we can
Speaker 2: talk about what happened with the Bills and the Ravens,
Speaker 2: with Lamar and Mark Andrews, the Bills defense holding up
Speaker 2: when they needed to, the Eagles holding off the Rams.
Speaker 2: Chiefs against the Texans. Yes, there's going to be conversation.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes gets all the calls. He doesn't, but I
Speaker 2: think because they're always on National TV, when he does
Speaker 2: get a call, it stands out more than anybody else.
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan got calls, Lebron got calls. This has happened before.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady got calls, at least in our minds. You
Speaker 2: say they get all the breaks. Well, these games are
Speaker 2: always in front of us. Therefore, when you see something
Speaker 2: like this, you remember it's kind of burnt into our
Speaker 2: brains here. But the chiefs of the Texans, and I
Speaker 2: know the Texans there, you know they're complaining about we
Speaker 2: had to beat the officials. If that's your mindset going
Speaker 2: into a game against Patrick Mahomes feels like you're kind
Speaker 2: of defeated. Hey, we knew we had to beat the
Speaker 2: referees as well. Well, you might have had to beat
Speaker 2: the referees, but it would have helped if you kept
Speaker 2: the Chiefs from beating up your quarterback. You had over
Speaker 2: one hundred yards more of total offense, You didn't have
Speaker 2: any turnovers. You have no excuses other than your excuses
Speaker 2: that you didn't take care of business. Did Mahomes get
Speaker 2: a call there or to yes, probably did so, Probably so,
Speaker 2: or at least the letter of the law with the NFL,
Speaker 2: But they had opportunities. You can't have your quarterback get pressured,
Speaker 2: hurried over twenty times and get sacked what eight times?
Speaker 2: I mean he was hit fourteen times. That's on you,
Speaker 2: not on the officiating, not on Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs do just enough.
Speaker 2: And you have to do just a little bit more,
Speaker 2: and you didn't do that. So I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear the complaining from the Texans. You had a great season,
Speaker 2: you had an odd season. You came back and you
Speaker 2: had impressive football there at the end of the season,
Speaker 2: But you guys lost the game. You had your opportunities
Speaker 2: in the red zone, don't miss kicks. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of blame that goes around. Let's not start
Speaker 2: with the officiating, start with yourself. The commander's shocking the Lions.
Speaker 2: That was one of those where wow, somebody better slow
Speaker 2: down Washington and they.
Speaker 1: Couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: And the Lions, you know, they did their part from
Speaker 2: the standpoint of they put up points and they had yardage,
Speaker 2: but you had turnovers.
Speaker 1: And that's the big difference.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We saw this with Jared Goff, and we saw this
Speaker 2: with Sam Darnold, like you're like, okay, all right, hey,
Speaker 2: these guys are looking good and then they weren't looking
Speaker 2: good and then all of a sudden, we seem to
Speaker 2: regress back to yeah, kind of the same old Like,
Speaker 2: is this the ceiling for Jared Goff? Maybe they had
Speaker 2: a wonderful season and they had a lot of injuries
Speaker 2: to overcome, and man, was there some pain in Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell's voice after the loss.
Speaker 4: And you lose these games. Man, it's like the players,
Speaker 4: what they put into it. A lot of people don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, what they go through. You have to get
Speaker 4: up bodies, beaches, you know, mentally, start locked in on
Speaker 4: and do those things so long season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, tough because if you're a lines fan, some
Speaker 2: of you, probably a lot of you book flights to
Speaker 2: New Orleans, and I understand why you would, because he thought,
Speaker 2: all right, this is our We're the team of destiny.
Speaker 2: You start to believe that until you realize you're not
Speaker 2: the team of destiny. That might be Washington, might be Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: might be Kansas City, maybe it's Buffalo's turn this year.
Speaker 2: But these losses, I mean, this is what you take
Speaker 2: into the off season. Imagine you're Mark Andrews. You've been
Speaker 2: the security blanket for Lamar Jackson his entire career. All
Speaker 2: else fails, Mark Andrews is open. If you would have
Speaker 2: said to me last night at halftime, Hey, by the way,
Speaker 2: it's going to come down to Lamar throwing a pass
Speaker 2: to Mark Andrews. How do you feel about it? Game
Speaker 2: on the line, I'd see, yeah, love it. Of all
Speaker 2: the people that I would want with my hands on
Speaker 2: the ball, it would be him. Mark Andrews. Always reliable.
Speaker 2: Now you had the fumble where they punched the ball out.
Speaker 2: I don't know why he was trying to juke somebody
Speaker 2: to get more yards there, but he did. But it
Speaker 2: came down to the two point conversion and Lamar rolling out. Now,
Speaker 2: I said at the time, I know we have revisionist
Speaker 2: history a lot, but I wanted to see, and I've
Speaker 2: said this all year long. All I wanted to see
Speaker 2: is whatever was made Baltimore successful.
Speaker 1: They stayed with that in the postseason.
Speaker 2: I got Derrick Henry and I'm not using Derrick Henry
Speaker 2: at the end of the game. I would love to
Speaker 2: have had Lamar and Derrick Henry and say, you guys
Speaker 2: pick your poison, try to stop one of us, and
Speaker 2: they didn't do it. Here is Lamar after the game
Speaker 2: talking about turnovers.
Speaker 5: It's a team effort, the buzzing his behind, making places
Speaker 5: happening out down that SPF four US came up short.
Speaker 5: And like I've been saying all season, every time we
Speaker 5: had situations like this, turnovers plaif fattor Pennanty is plaff
Speaker 5: fattor today twelve tonight the turnover had it, you know,
Speaker 5: and that's why we lost the game, because as you
Speaker 5: can see, moving the ball wonderfully is hold on to
Speaker 5: the ball.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for my language, car No.
Speaker 1: I'm talking Derreck Henry had sixteen carries.
Speaker 2: I thought, in this kind of game against that defense,
Speaker 2: at least twenty twenty five carries. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the downside is with that. You've been this guy ran
Speaker 2: for nineteen hundred yards, so it's not like you go, hey, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, we're thinking about doing something different.
Speaker 2: This is what you did. He averaged five and a
Speaker 2: half yards per carry. Don't get out of your comfort zone.
Speaker 2: Do what you do well. I mean, Buffalo's defense is
Speaker 2: not formidable. It's it's a ben don't break defense. I
Speaker 2: thought that they would just go here, we go, hey,
Speaker 2: Derek's getting the ball, try to stop him, or you
Speaker 2: have Lamar as well. But look, you get in these
Speaker 2: moments and it's one play or two plays, and that's
Speaker 2: your season. Here, this is what it sounded like last night.
Speaker 2: With the potential game tying two point conversion for the
Speaker 2: tie the two point conversion, Lamar takes a snap roll
Speaker 2: to the right, throws.
Speaker 6: Complete all he dropped it, Mark Andrews hit him in
Speaker 6: the wounds, and Mark Andrews.
Speaker 1: Dropped it as he fell into the end zone.
Speaker 7: One of the more surehanded players the Ravens in Raven's history,
Speaker 7: dropped it, hitting right in the hands.
Speaker 2: Yep, I think and even Jim Nants thought that he
Speaker 2: had caught it just because of the angle there. And
Speaker 2: it's Mark Andrews because he should have caught it. Does
Speaker 2: it come down to him?
Speaker 1: Yes? It does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that play extends, extends the game and extends their season.
Speaker 1: Is it the reason why they lost?
Speaker 2: No, but that will be the singular play that will
Speaker 2: look at that they and the other play will be
Speaker 2: when the ball got punched out because Josh Allen didn't
Speaker 2: play great. But what I loved about Josh Allen, and
Speaker 2: I preached this all year long, he's learning. He's learned
Speaker 2: how to play the position. He doesn't have to be superman.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to try so much, try so hard,
Speaker 2: Fewer turnovers. That's how you win these games. Nothing fancy,
Speaker 2: just no mistakes. And that's the difference in this game.
Speaker 8: Yes, there was a point in time where the Ravens
Speaker 8: had the ball. It was first in goal from the two,
Speaker 8: and I don't know how you don't give Dereck Henry
Speaker 8: the bass four straight times, so there's no way you're
Speaker 8: keeping him from getting those two yards four straight times.
Speaker 8: And I don't know that they gave it to him once.
Speaker 2: Crazy to me, it did remind me of Marshawn Lynch,
Speaker 2: like they have to give it to him. The super
Speaker 2: Bowl's on the line, he's right there.
Speaker 1: Just run it in. Give it to this dude. What
Speaker 1: do you throwing it for?
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Speaker 9: Derrick Henry had five carries on that touchdown drive the
Speaker 9: Ravens had the third quarter, and the other eight drives
Speaker 9: that they had, he carried the ball eleven times. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I have to double check that stat of the day,
Speaker 9: stat of the day, that past stat of the day,
Speaker 9: stat of the day?
Speaker 1: Here comes that what's stat of the day.
Speaker 2: Creativity can be overrated sometimes, how time we just do
Speaker 2: something really simple, just simple. Don't have to you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to do trickery, You don't have to
Speaker 2: be Ben Johnson in the lines.
Speaker 1: Just sometimes you just.
Speaker 2: Go here it comes and it's gonna hurt, yes, Tod,
Speaker 2: But then you can do that.
Speaker 10: And then if you get stopped and it doesn't work out,
Speaker 10: you know, there's gonna be people saying they knew that
Speaker 10: was going to happen. Why would you do the same
Speaker 10: thing that they're waiting for. The Eagles got away with it.
Speaker 10: Everyone knew Saquon Barkley was going to get the ball,
Speaker 10: and he destroyed them even though.
Speaker 1: They knew this was going to happen. But Todd, you
Speaker 1: just answered your own question. Sometimes it works, sometimes it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Obviously it didn't work for the Raves.
Speaker 10: Ilver thought like, oh, they'll never expect this.
Speaker 1: They think we're just going to.
Speaker 3: Have Lamar and Derek run the hole.
Speaker 2: When they stop him, we can have this conversation. They
Speaker 2: didn't stop him. It did not They knew that Saquon
Speaker 2: was going to run the ball. They couldn't stop him.
Speaker 2: And if I'm Buffalo, God, I know that one of
Speaker 2: those two is gonna run the ball. I just had
Speaker 2: to factor in the web. Like I was blown away.
Speaker 2: I kept going, God, this is really simple, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: first hour of the program. Well, we got a few
Speaker 2: options here that we could start with. We could start
Speaker 2: with who had the best weekend? We start with who
Speaker 2: had the worst weekend? We can start with who Is
Speaker 2: that a tougher loss for the Lions of the Ravens.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It feels like it's the Lions, Like I can hear
Speaker 2: it in Dan Campbell's voice. I don't know if John
Speaker 2: Harbaugh's voice. Can you play John Harball talking about Mark Andrews.
Speaker 1: Let me hear his voice.
Speaker 7: There's nobody that has more heart and cares more and
Speaker 7: fights more than Mark. We wouldn't be here without Mark Andrews.
Speaker 3: That's what you say to him.
Speaker 7: So now it's like anything else. I mean, destiny is
Speaker 7: a decision that you make, and sin is how you
Speaker 7: handle what comes in your life. Now, Marko handled fantastic
Speaker 7: like he always does, because because he's a high character person,
Speaker 7: he's a tough person and he's a good person.
Speaker 3: So proud of him's a I'm proud of all.
Speaker 2: The guys more of an uplifting Dan Campbell's like, I
Speaker 2: can't hide any of this.
Speaker 1: This emotion is deep deep.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 8: Hey, there was a moment just after halftime last night
Speaker 8: when John Harbaugh came out and he's doing the interview
Speaker 8: and they're like, hey, coach Joe, you know what are
Speaker 8: you going to say? Whatever this and that second half
Speaker 8: you can start pluck And they're like, what do you
Speaker 8: say to Lamar Jackson? You know, sort of like a
Speaker 8: rough first half he had two turnovers, or what do
Speaker 8: you say to Lamar Jackson going into the second half?
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't need to say anything to him.
Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 11: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need to say anything. It's Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3: He's good.
Speaker 8: He knows that he shouldn't have done those two things,
Speaker 8: and he knows what he needs.
Speaker 1: To do moving forward.
Speaker 3: He's fine.
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen often, you know, And I had an
Speaker 2: unbelievable season. It's just like justin Herbert, what did he
Speaker 2: have three interceptions? And then he surpasses that Lamar Jackson doesn't,
Speaker 2: you know what four interceptions? They don't turn the ball
Speaker 2: over and then what do they do? Interception and I
Speaker 2: think maybe the re ran the wrong route and then
Speaker 2: you know, fumbles.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 2: It's so small, the margin between you win or you lose,
Speaker 2: and that's why Buffalo moved on. I don't think they
Speaker 2: tried to play any different than they had all season long,
Speaker 2: and it felt like Boldemort got away, just like last year.
Speaker 2: Just like last year. We'll take a break. Ryan Clark
Speaker 2: got a busy day, busy night, and busy week covering
Speaker 2: the NFL for the Mothership. His son is playing in
Speaker 2: the National title game for Notre Dame. We'll touch on
Speaker 2: both of those topics right after this Dan Patrick's Show.
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Speaker 2: Get to your phone calls as we always do every Monday,
Speaker 2: Best and Worst to the Weekend. It was a while
Speaker 2: back that I mentioned here's a wild card MVP candidate.
Speaker 2: Nobody would had brought his name up, but watching him
Speaker 2: play for his team and what he meant for his team.
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter and I mentioned it on the show that
Speaker 2: he's one of those that you don't think of because
Speaker 2: it's an offensive driven award. Jalen Carter probably made the
Speaker 2: biggest play of the game last night, and just that
Speaker 2: disruptive force there. And he's different because you don't have
Speaker 2: those kind that's he's like old school. You know his size,
Speaker 2: but he's a disruptor. And then obviously with Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 2: I said, he's not going to win the MVP, but
Speaker 2: if you talk about lifting up a culture, he changed
Speaker 2: a culture that had been there for two decades. He
Speaker 2: gave them hope. And it's not about numbers. It's just
Speaker 2: when he's on the field, he gives you hope you
Speaker 2: have a chance. And that's why I thought, I hope
Speaker 2: he's the top five MVP candidate, certainly with what he
Speaker 2: did in the regular season. All Right, we got football tonight,
Speaker 2: National Title game. Ryan Clark, you know, he's got a
Speaker 2: busy week coming up. You got to talk football, and
Speaker 2: then you got to talk about college football. His son
Speaker 2: is playing tonight in the National Title Game. He's also
Speaker 2: got NFL Live duties as well. How nervous are you?
Speaker 11: Oh, I'm fricker or right it is?
Speaker 13: You know, we got opportunity to play two super Bowls
Speaker 13: as a family. But these last few weeks have been
Speaker 13: absolutely amazing to you know, see your son sort of
Speaker 13: live a dream, see your son make a decision that
Speaker 13: was tough on him. In the offseason. He wanted to
Speaker 13: stay at ASU. He felt like that's where his loyalty
Speaker 13: should be.
Speaker 11: I can be honest.
Speaker 13: As parents, we thought it was best for him to leave,
Speaker 13: and we had those conversations, and when he kind of
Speaker 13: finally acquiesced to what we wanted and started to take trips,
Speaker 13: when he chose Notre Dame, I was elated. It was
Speaker 13: my dream school. But you know, in week two when
Speaker 13: they lose to NIU, and then as the season it
Speaker 13: goes along and Arizona State's playing extremely well, you're like,
Speaker 13: holy hell, did did we make a mistake? Did we
Speaker 13: push him into something that's not going to be positive
Speaker 13: for him? So for him to be in this moment,
Speaker 13: having beaten Georgia, having beaten Penn State, and now an opportunity,
Speaker 13: in my opinion, to play the most talented team in
Speaker 13: college football, but certainly the most talented group of wide receivers,
Speaker 13: knowing the way that they're going to play. I think
Speaker 13: it's just been an amazing year, amazing opportunity for him
Speaker 13: to show who he is. But as a team and
Speaker 13: Marcus Freeman and what that school has been, the tradition
Speaker 13: in which Notre Dame plays with each and every week.
Speaker 13: It has really been one of the best experiences of
Speaker 13: my athletic career. But to see him do it, I mean,
Speaker 13: as a parent, there's nothing better.
Speaker 2: More likely to talk to him more today or less
Speaker 2: likely to talk to him today.
Speaker 13: No, we don't change anything. VP Like that's the cool
Speaker 13: part about having been through it as a faller and
Speaker 13: my wife having been through it as a wife and
Speaker 13: now going through it as a mother, you know, like
Speaker 13: we understand what happens.
Speaker 11: He kind of dictates how much we talk, how much
Speaker 11: we see.
Speaker 13: Him on game weekends, and the one thing for him,
Speaker 13: he's like, pop, I don't want to change a lot
Speaker 13: because it's the championship. And so we got an opportunity
Speaker 13: to visit with him last night. Thousands of parents and
Speaker 13: families and friends were there also with their loved ones
Speaker 13: from the team, and he honestly stayed and talked to
Speaker 13: us longer than he normally does, so he got to
Speaker 13: see some family members he hadn't seen in the wild.
Speaker 13: But today he say he's going to wake up with
Speaker 13: no clock. He'll go to walk through and take a nap,
Speaker 13: study film, and then he'll be ready to go.
Speaker 11: We have a ritual and you know this will be
Speaker 11: the last time we do it.
Speaker 13: Always wait in the same exact spot for him before
Speaker 13: every game, And it started last year where I just
Speaker 13: write him a little note. I thought last year would
Speaker 13: be his last, but it ended up getting injured and
Speaker 13: coming back, and so this would be the last time.
Speaker 11: I get to do it.
Speaker 13: I'll do it from the field because it's obviously is
Speaker 13: PM game, But for me, it's like the It's the
Speaker 13: best part of the day.
Speaker 11: I get to help you.
Speaker 13: I get to tell him I love him, I get
Speaker 13: to hand him over a few words he gets to
Speaker 13: read before every game.
Speaker 11: And uh, you know this would be our last time
Speaker 11: doing it in college ball.
Speaker 1: Gonna have a lot of emotions there.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm a cry I didn't I didn't like as
Speaker 13: a player. Honestly, when we won the Super Bowl, I
Speaker 13: didn't cry when we lost the Super Bowl. I didn't cry.
Speaker 13: I've cried more in these last three weeks than I
Speaker 13: like to admit, which I am admitting to you now publicly.
Speaker 13: But I think that it just shows you how much
Speaker 13: it matters, how much different it is.
Speaker 2: But your son's going against some pretty good wide receivers.
Speaker 2: I would think you've had conversations on dad, what do
Speaker 2: you see?
Speaker 11: No, not really. It's been a cool evolution of his
Speaker 11: playing career. We were driving in the eighth grade.
Speaker 13: I forget where we were going, and he turns to
Speaker 13: me and he's like, Pop, i'd love to play a
Speaker 13: college sport. And at the time he loved basketball too.
Speaker 13: I was like, well, Saturday gonna be basketball. I've seen
Speaker 13: you do that, you know. I was like, you can
Speaker 13: play that to have fun. And I said, and it's
Speaker 13: going to have to be at defensive back. And he's like, well,
Speaker 13: why I play a wide receiver for two I was like,
Speaker 13: you know, I've been around those guys and I've watched
Speaker 13: him catch football.
Speaker 11: Like it's just different. I said, but I can help
Speaker 11: you be a defensive back.
Speaker 13: And he broke his ankle probably six months later playing basketball,
Speaker 13: and so we kind of had to rehab him back
Speaker 13: from that, get him prepared for a sophomore year, went
Speaker 13: to really competitive.
Speaker 11: High school, and I mean, man.
Speaker 13: We've slept at some of the worst hotels to go
Speaker 13: to some of these football camps.
Speaker 11: We have been on planes, we've driven, and it was
Speaker 11: just that journey.
Speaker 13: And so every high school game in sophomore year, I
Speaker 13: graded the film, I grade every play, and we'd watch
Speaker 13: it together.
Speaker 11: And then the next year I grade every play and
Speaker 11: he'd watch it by himself.
Speaker 13: And so it's kind of evolved whereas to know, he's
Speaker 13: his old man.
Speaker 11: When it comes to football. If you ask me a question,
Speaker 11: I'll answer it. A lot of times.
Speaker 13: He's telling me what he sees, he's telling me what
Speaker 13: he has to do, he's telling me how Al wants
Speaker 13: them to play.
Speaker 11: And I think it is just the coolest.
Speaker 3: Thing in the world.
Speaker 2: Is Ryan Clark in the Mothership won a Super Bowl
Speaker 2: with the Steelers and weekdays for Eastern on NFL Live,
Speaker 2: I was just talking about the Ravens all season long.
Speaker 2: I said, I don't care what you do during the
Speaker 2: regular season. I want to see what your game plan
Speaker 2: is going to be in the postseason. I want to
Speaker 2: see if you stay with what made you successful. You
Speaker 2: got a great running back, and you didn't stay with
Speaker 2: that running back in the second half, a running back
Speaker 2: who was really good in the second half, they had
Speaker 2: one drive, they score time. I'm just trying to understand
Speaker 2: the philosophy of the Ravens and why it seemed to
Speaker 2: change a little bit yesterday against the Buffalo defense that
Speaker 2: I thought you could run against.
Speaker 11: I thought early on.
Speaker 13: They didn't have the sort of success they wanted to have,
Speaker 13: And when you go throughout the season with Todd Munkin,
Speaker 13: that's what we see. You know, there are the games
Speaker 13: that Derrick Henry doesn't rush for one hundred yards, they
Speaker 13: don't win. And I think people try to correlate that
Speaker 13: to continuously or consistently giving Derrick Henry the ball. But
Speaker 13: I think also in those games he didn't start out
Speaker 13: with early success, and so without that early success, when
Speaker 13: they go to eleven personnel which is three wide receivers
Speaker 13: or twelve personnel, which.
Speaker 11: They love to use, Isaiah likely in that way it.
Speaker 13: Becomes a Justice Hill game a little bit in the
Speaker 13: past game, or it becomes a Lamar Jackson drop back
Speaker 13: pass game. And I think even with Derrick Henry not
Speaker 13: having early success. I thought in the second half he
Speaker 13: put his imprint on the game, Like, that's not why
Speaker 13: they lost, Right, you go to the first half, and
Speaker 13: it wasn't the interception by Lamar Jackson that think they
Speaker 13: went three and out after that. But it's the big fumble,
Speaker 13: the DeMar Hamlin tackle with the return by Von Miller.
Speaker 13: It's the fumble of Mark Andrews where you have an
Speaker 13: opportunity to score. And then as great as Mark Andrews is,
Speaker 13: we all expect him to catch that pass on the
Speaker 13: two point conversion, and so yes, I think the Derrick
Speaker 13: Henry piece of it is huge, But I thought he
Speaker 13: did enough in the second half to help his team.
Speaker 13: I thought Todd Munkin turned to him in the right
Speaker 13: situations and during the right scenarios. But it's about making plays.
Speaker 13: When Bernard punches that ball out from Mark Andrews, that's
Speaker 13: making the play. Mark Andrews didn't just drop that, and
Speaker 13: then obviously you have to catch the ball on the
Speaker 13: two point conversion as well.
Speaker 2: Is Josh Allen consciously more cautious or like a where
Speaker 2: like situational football We always talk about that, but he
Speaker 2: just seems like, hey, I normally would try to do
Speaker 2: a little more. Feels like he's got maybe a seat
Speaker 2: belt on and it's a wise thing. Is that conscious?
Speaker 11: Yeah? And you know, I don't even know, you know, DP.
Speaker 13: I don't want to call it a seat belt because
Speaker 13: people will say or they'll think it's a negative thing.
Speaker 11: And what you're saying is true. It's positive.
Speaker 13: He understands, let's not go lose the game right. When
Speaker 13: people talk about him not winning the MVP last year,
Speaker 13: they always point to his stats, saying how much.
Speaker 11: Better they were than Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 13: But he also had eighteen interceptions and that was a
Speaker 13: way to hurt his team. This year, he cut that
Speaker 13: number down tremendously. But when you watch him, he's taking
Speaker 13: what the defense gives him. If it's a third and four,
Speaker 13: he has no problem only getting five yards, only getting
Speaker 13: six yards. He's not trying to take the shots down
Speaker 13: the field. He's playing with the level of efficiency and impatience.
Speaker 11: That matters. But to me, also like a joy of not.
Speaker 13: Being sort of forced into doing certain things to get
Speaker 13: people the ball, not doing certain things to prove a point.
Speaker 13: He seems extremely relaxed and comfortable in who he is
Speaker 13: and who he's playing with and because of that efficiency,
Speaker 13: because of that patience, because being of playing risk averse,
Speaker 13: that's why this team wins this football game.
Speaker 11: One team turns the ball over, the other team doesn't.
Speaker 2: More surprised the Ravens lost, or the Lions lost.
Speaker 13: Lions Lions, And it's just like this weird thing because
Speaker 13: when you think about all the defensive players the.
Speaker 11: Lions have lost, it makes total sense.
Speaker 13: Amik Robinson, who have been playing well on the outside,
Speaker 13: he gets hurt very early on in that game, and
Speaker 13: so it's not one of those things. Oh, you know,
Speaker 13: there isn't a reason why they couldn't get stops defensively,
Speaker 13: but they had been losing all those people the entire year.
Speaker 13: You know, most of those players weren't available against Minnesota
Speaker 13: when they took them to the woodshed.
Speaker 11: And a winner take all game in.
Speaker 13: The last week of the season, and so it was
Speaker 13: surprising to see just how bad they were defensively, but
Speaker 13: also the turnovers and interceptions by Jared Golf which truly
Speaker 13: caused them the game, because when you think of some
Speaker 13: of the games they had to win down the stretch
Speaker 13: without those injuries, it was because the offense was unstoppable
Speaker 13: and offense protected the ball.
Speaker 11: They didn't do those things against Washington, and it cost them.
Speaker 2: The public perception, national perception is Mahomes gets calls that
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks don't get. As a former defensive player, your
Speaker 2: thoughts on that topic.
Speaker 13: Well, I think a lot of quarterbacks get calls that
Speaker 13: they shouldn't get, right. I think there is a conscious
Speaker 13: effort to protect quarterbacks at all costs, and.
Speaker 11: Officials are humans, then they just are like they know
Speaker 11: which ones are different. We felt the same way about
Speaker 11: Tom Brady, right, and we weren't wrong. Think about it.
Speaker 13: When Tom Brady gets hurt in the first game of
Speaker 13: the two thousand and eight season, there's an entire rule
Speaker 13: built the round the way he got hurt, right, which
Speaker 13: still stands today. You can't hit quarterbacks below the knee,
Speaker 13: and so there are these quarterbacks that are treated differently.
Speaker 11: I think when you see it on.
Speaker 13: Display at in such a large stage in slow motion,
Speaker 13: it feels to us like, Okay, that's just a bad
Speaker 13: call where they're cheating from Mahomes. But the Will Anderson play,
Speaker 13: we look at it and we go in slow motion like, yeah,
Speaker 13: he definitely didn't hit him in the head.
Speaker 11: When it's happening in real time? What is the official seat? Right?
Speaker 13: You go back to Sam Donald to get in his
Speaker 13: face mask, like basically take it off against the Rams.
Speaker 13: Throughout the season, we're like, well, how you miss that?
Speaker 13: So maybe that's one of those things with Mahomes. The
Speaker 13: one that paid me the most was when he's running around,
Speaker 13: he doesn't really slide, he just kind of gives himself
Speaker 13: up and these guys are trying to tackle him. He's
Speaker 13: playing freaking dipsy do with the line on the outside
Speaker 13: and jumping around and cutting back in and holding the football.
Speaker 11: You can't call that.
Speaker 13: You can't give them fifteen yards and you can't give
Speaker 13: them an extra set of dollars and they end up
Speaker 13: scoring a touchdown on that drive that essentially puts makes
Speaker 13: it a two score game. Those calls have to be reviewable.
Speaker 13: If you don't want to review him during the season,
Speaker 13: that's fine. But you can't put a team like the
Speaker 13: Houston Texas that's scrapping and scraping and clawing to stay
Speaker 13: in the game with the two time defending Super Bowl
Speaker 13: champions in that sort of situation to where you can
Speaker 13: visibly see Demico Ryans biting his tongue after the.
Speaker 11: Game to not say he felt cheated.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this analogy works for you, but
Speaker 2: later in Floyd Mayweather's career, it wasn't about trying to
Speaker 2: knock you out.
Speaker 1: He was just going to play defense.
Speaker 2: You've ounce smart you, Patrick, Mahomes is not blowing you
Speaker 2: away with stats. This isn't forty five to fifty touchdown passes.
Speaker 2: It's a I'm just going to to kind of spar
Speaker 2: with you, and then you're gonna make one or two mistakes,
Speaker 2: you leave Kelsey open, We're gonna score. You know, my
Speaker 2: defense is really the calling card of this team. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you see that, but I was kind
Speaker 2: of feeling like Mahomes at times doesn't seem like he's like,
Speaker 2: all I gotta worry. It's you know, those those times
Speaker 2: when I do have to worry, then he always delivers.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that's I think that's the key with
Speaker 11: him right now.
Speaker 13: This man has shown up so many times in critical
Speaker 13: situational football moments that he expects to.
Speaker 11: His team expects him to, hell the other team expects
Speaker 11: him to And.
Speaker 13: When we saw him get into trouble, was trying to
Speaker 13: relive those forty five fifty touchdown days without having forty
Speaker 13: five fifty touchdown people.
Speaker 11: To throw it too.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, and I think he's had to make
Speaker 13: that adjustment. I mean, Dan, you know, like we all
Speaker 13: have an ego, right, Like we all feel like we're
Speaker 13: good at certain things and we want to be sort
Speaker 13: of seen and perceived that way. And for Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 13: he was perceived and seen as the best.
Speaker 11: Quarterback on Earth.
Speaker 13: And you want to be able to push the ball
Speaker 13: down the field, you want to be able to show those.
Speaker 11: Skills, but right now, that's not the way they can
Speaker 11: win football games.
Speaker 13: And ultimately, as you begin to win football games and
Speaker 13: you're no longer having sort of the statistical output that
Speaker 13: you used to have, but people are still saying, yeah,
Speaker 13: but you're the guy, right, Yeah, he doesn't. He won't
Speaker 13: win the MVP.
Speaker 11: This year, but everybody's chasing him.
Speaker 13: You start to realize that actually winning is more important
Speaker 13: than anything, and that's what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Are you sitting tonight watching this game?
Speaker 13: So I didn't sit the entire second half of the
Speaker 13: Penn State. I stood up the entire game, and so
Speaker 13: I don't know. I like to call myself like a
Speaker 13: calm dad, because I really am. Most part high school.
Speaker 13: I didn't say much Throughout all of his years in college,
Speaker 13: I didn't say much. I just kind of set off
Speaker 13: with myself and watched the games. But it's been impossible
Speaker 13: for Georgia. It was impossible for Penn State. Uh, and
Speaker 13: it'll probably be impossible for Ohio State tonight. I mean, hell,
Speaker 13: what I'm saving it for. This is my last day
Speaker 13: as a college football dad. Anyway, good luck to mom too.
Speaker 13: I mean, yeah, she the second half of Penn State.
Speaker 13: She just cleaned out her email, she said. She said, Uh,
Speaker 13: she's like, I can't watch anymore, Like this game has
Speaker 13: my Like her her watch kept telling her her heart rate.
Speaker 11: Was high, and so she's like, yeah, I'm gonna clean
Speaker 11: out my emails. And so I don't think she has
Speaker 11: any emails.
Speaker 13: To clean out tonight, Dan, So maybe I'll just give
Speaker 13: her my phone because I have like eleven thousand underregulars.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're going to be a mess, hopefully in a
Speaker 2: good way. Hopefully I'm messing a good way.
Speaker 1: Europe.
Speaker 13: You know, you know what's crazy, Dad, Like at the
Speaker 13: end of the game, you love all those moments, all
Speaker 13: those tense moments, all those stressful moments, because you win.
Speaker 13: If you don't win, then it's just three and a
Speaker 13: half hours of your life. You know that you felt
Speaker 13: like you were going puke.
Speaker 1: Good look. Thanks for joining us, Ryan Man, thank you
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 11: Day every great day.
Speaker 2: That's Ryan Clark, his son Jordan's safety for Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: It's Ohio State and Notre Dame in the title game.
Speaker 1: We'll come back.
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Speaker 2: you by Panini America Official trading cards to The Dan
Speaker 2: Patrick Show. Last time two NFC East teams met in
Speaker 2: the conference championship game nineteen eighty six. That's when the
Speaker 2: Giants meet the beat the then Redskins seventeen to nothing.
Speaker 2: So same division opponents in a conference championship game since
Speaker 2: two thousand you had the Rams and Niners in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, Seahawks Niners in twenty thirteen, Packers Bears twenty ten,
Speaker 2: and then two thousand and eight the Steelers against the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Steve Young back on the program, I
Speaker 2: was wondering. You grew up on the East Coast in Connecticut,
Speaker 2: so you're familiar with snow, but playing day, didn't you
Speaker 2: have a game when you were with Tampa Bay you
Speaker 2: played Green Bay in a snowstorm?
Speaker 1: Does that sound right? Man?
Speaker 6: Come on, that's the lowest attendance in the history at lambeau.
Speaker 3: Field because no one could get to the field.
Speaker 6: There's a snowplow, two snowplows in front of the bus
Speaker 6: from the from the hotel, and the only people that
Speaker 6: came to the game, literally were people who snowshoot in
Speaker 6: or snowmobile. Outside of lambeau Field was like three hundred snowmobiles.
Speaker 3: Is how the game went.
Speaker 6: We were wearing white, and we didn't wear Of course,
Speaker 6: we forgot all the winter gear, so I wore Everyone's
Speaker 6: wearing their suits underneath their clothes like anything you get
Speaker 6: a hold of they were wearing and we were wearing white.
Speaker 6: I go out there and play, and I couldn't see anything.
Speaker 6: My second game as an NFL pro, I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 6: I can't I don't know where anybody is.
Speaker 3: And I thought for a little while that I wouldn't
Speaker 3: complete a pass. Dad. It was I. It was in
Speaker 3: the second quarter. I'm like, I don't want to be
Speaker 3: the first player in the history of the NFL that
Speaker 3: didn't complete a pass.
Speaker 11: Hold it.
Speaker 3: So I had James Wilder by running back.
Speaker 6: I was like, James, look, I got to complete a pass, bro,
Speaker 6: So I'm going to drop back.
Speaker 3: Just come in front of me and I'm going to
Speaker 3: shovel it to you. And you can look in the stats.
Speaker 6: I think the first half I was two for fourteen
Speaker 6: for minus three yards.
Speaker 2: You had eight completions I think, and six were to
Speaker 2: James Wilder in that game.
Speaker 6: Because I could see James was like he was close
Speaker 6: to me. He would scream at me like I could
Speaker 6: hear him. I could hear him, so I knew that
Speaker 6: he was close.
Speaker 2: Well, isn't an advantage for the offense in weather like that?
Speaker 6: I think it is because anytime it's slippery or then
Speaker 6: you know, you know where you're going and the defense
Speaker 6: doesn't it makes you know, obviously the mistakes are bigger
Speaker 6: because the footing. And yes, I thought, as long as
Speaker 6: you have a quarterback that can that can mut it,
Speaker 6: that's a huge I think it's a huge advantage.
Speaker 1: Give me the game that kind of puzzled you this weekend.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, obviously the Commanders.
Speaker 6: What I loved about what they did was they went
Speaker 6: into a you know, tough place, number one seed, and
Speaker 6: they just ripped it right.
Speaker 3: And they didn't wait around, they didn't wonder, they didn't
Speaker 3: kind of feel it out.
Speaker 6: That playoff football is about taking it from bloody hands,
Speaker 6: and so if you're going to do it, especially in
Speaker 6: those in that situation, you've got to run it out.
Speaker 3: And and what I mean.
Speaker 6: That's all they did is they just ran it right
Speaker 6: out to the fourth quarter and and and the Lions
Speaker 6: is that's what playoff football is amazing. You don't realize
Speaker 6: how like baseball, basketball, it takes a week and a
Speaker 6: half to figure out who's gonna win a series. In football,
Speaker 6: you've literally in a half you can lose it all
Speaker 6: in many ways. The Ravens in the first half, a
Speaker 6: couple of turnovers. You know, am I really gonna win?
Speaker 6: A playoff game on the road with two turnovers in
Speaker 6: the first half, even in a halftime, you got to
Speaker 6: wonder to yourself, have I already blown it?
Speaker 3: And it's a tough spot.
Speaker 2: But I brought this up with Ryan Clark of ESPN
Speaker 2: Last Hour, and I said to Ryan, is Josh Allen
Speaker 2: consciously trying not to do too many things like put
Speaker 2: on the cape?
Speaker 1: I don't can as a quarterback?
Speaker 2: Can you consciously think about don't try to do too
Speaker 2: much like you've done before?
Speaker 6: Dan, That is the art of quarterbacking exactly. If you
Speaker 6: can't do that, you won't be great. And I think
Speaker 6: that's what Patrick Mahomes has moved into, That's what Josh
Speaker 6: has moved into a place where they can be Superman,
Speaker 6: and they can be Superman almost every play. And you
Speaker 6: remember early in Patrick's career and Josh even as of
Speaker 6: last year, they put on the Superman cape so much
Speaker 6: that you actually can't. It doesn't work, It blows up
Speaker 6: on you. And so you either figure out how to
Speaker 6: become a very sophisticated passer in the pocket, get everything
Speaker 6: you can out of the play, and then be patient
Speaker 6: and recognize where the spots are where you can be
Speaker 6: Superman and where you can't be because you can't be
Speaker 6: every play. And I give both of them tremendous credit
Speaker 6: and maturity and how to figure out because in the
Speaker 6: game you have to have legs. In this game, you
Speaker 6: have to be able to threaten the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 6: You're going to cut touch the ball eighty plus times
Speaker 6: a game, every time you touch the ball as a quarterback,
Speaker 6: you have to be able.
Speaker 3: To threaten the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 6: Doesn't mean you do it, but the threat has to
Speaker 6: be there because it's so You've saw it all weekend.
Speaker 6: How many yards are there free yards for quarterbacks? Touchdowns,
Speaker 6: first downs? And if you don't have that ability, you
Speaker 6: are behind the game. Jared Goff behind the game. He
Speaker 6: has to throw his way down there all the time.
Speaker 6: And you saw when you have to throw your way
Speaker 6: down there all the time, it wear's out where the
Speaker 6: all other guys they can get on their stuffs. The field, threat,
Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage, threat, line of scrimmage, put defense
Speaker 6: on their back. Uh, it's a it's a huge difference.
Speaker 6: So yes, Josh Allen, understanding that the Superman cape comes.
Speaker 3: And goes is the maturity of Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Where does composure come from?
Speaker 6: Well, in some ways, you're you know, it's like a
Speaker 6: gift from heaven, right like you you have a way
Speaker 6: of dealing with you know, I Adrenaline comes into your
Speaker 6: body and most human beings, it shrinks your brain, you
Speaker 6: get tight, you sweat you and sometimes things get tight
Speaker 6: and people respond opposite, like your heartbeat goes slower, you
Speaker 6: kind of calm down. And and those are the guys
Speaker 6: that you know, those are the greats. And and composure
Speaker 6: is something that you you know, you have that kind
Speaker 6: of gift from heaven, and then you also develop it.
Speaker 6: You develop it through experience. Now, Patrick Mahomes showed up
Speaker 6: in the NFL first game. I covered them on Monday night.
Speaker 6: I'm standing on the sidelines and the dude is sprinting
Speaker 6: right towards me full speed. Guy's chasing him down for
Speaker 6: the Denver Broncos. And like you know in the NFL,
Speaker 6: you don't you know, I mean, it's it's crazy speed.
Speaker 6: The game's played at and he's he throws it lefty
Speaker 6: and you could see as he's coming he's not. The
Speaker 6: adrenaline is running, but he's not like he's just kind
Speaker 6: of checking out like he's in his backyard and kind
Speaker 6: of figuring out, Okay, what can I do here?
Speaker 3: What can I do? You know what?
Speaker 6: Maybe I'll try this. And that's how he that composure
Speaker 6: was God given and he showed up with it. And
Speaker 6: I also think for him, particularly when you have a
Speaker 6: professional athlete, Dad grew up with a certain mentality that
Speaker 6: most of us have to go to the NFL and
Speaker 6: have to work through the composure thing. I think he
Speaker 6: kind of showed up that. I think Peyton Mannahan the
Speaker 6: same kind of spirit.
Speaker 1: But explain Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 6: So I'm telling you just did some people respond and
Speaker 6: a presence under pressure opposite of what most humans do.
Speaker 6: It's it's it's irrational to the human experience. But some
Speaker 6: guys just and that's why they're great. And great quarterbacks
Speaker 6: generally have this ability as the as things use look
Speaker 6: quarter that's the filter for quarterbacks. How many quarterbacks you
Speaker 6: see when it gets tight, they oh my gosh. And
Speaker 6: then the game gets smaller, they don't do as much.
Speaker 6: Their athleticism starts to disappear, their mind starts to speed up,
Speaker 6: and they can't process the way they did.
Speaker 3: And some people are just built different, and he's built
Speaker 3: that different.
Speaker 6: You can see it and uh in today's game, he
Speaker 6: is the ultimate prototype. He is threatening line of scrimmage
Speaker 6: every play and can as he learns, he'll get he'll
Speaker 6: figure out. You know, some of the things we just
Speaker 6: talked about Superman Cape, but he starts it, threatens it
Speaker 6: every every every play and with a with an innovative
Speaker 6: play caller.
Speaker 3: And you've talked, well, you don't have to talk about this,
Speaker 3: but I'd like to say half.
Speaker 6: The league has an innovative play caller who understands the
Speaker 6: game has changed that there's more space. How do you
Speaker 6: deploy people out in the space is not like twenty fifteen?
Speaker 6: And how many teams in this league, Dan, I have
Speaker 6: stretched my eyeballs out. We're still running plays from twenty
Speaker 6: fifteen and thinking, oh.
Speaker 3: This is the way we used to do it. We
Speaker 3: were really good.
Speaker 6: We're like, bro, those days are over. You give me
Speaker 6: an innovative play caller. Cliff Kingsbury is amazing innovation. You
Speaker 6: saw some of the cool plays over the weekend. People
Speaker 6: are coming up with crazy stuff that's amazing, and you
Speaker 6: can deploy it in this way because the game has changed.
Speaker 6: The field is bigger, and then Jayden can just fill
Speaker 6: it all up and it's fun to watch. And look,
Speaker 6: if I'm the Commanders, I'm going to Philadelphia on a
Speaker 6: championship weekend, I'm going to run it out just like
Speaker 6: it did against the Lions. Like, just run them out
Speaker 6: of the building. They cannot stay up with them. They
Speaker 6: cannot score forty, they can't go thirty five, they can't
Speaker 6: score thirty. So just run it out and let them
Speaker 6: chase you.
Speaker 3: That's the way I would do it.
Speaker 2: Steve Young, hall of Famer joining us, we get caught
Speaker 2: up as members of the media, which you were a
Speaker 2: member of the media, but also Hall of Famer. We
Speaker 2: look at postseason success at the quarterbacking position, whether it's
Speaker 2: fair or not. We look at that and here's Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson probably on the verge of a third MVP, and
Speaker 2: then he bounds out again. How important is postseason success
Speaker 2: maybe for the legacy of Lamar Jackson In the end.
Speaker 3: We have to live it out, Dan, you know you
Speaker 3: have to. You just it's the fact. It's a percept. Look,
Speaker 3: perception is nine tenths of the law.
Speaker 6: It used to be possession in law school, but perception
Speaker 6: is nine tents of the law. In other words, if
Speaker 6: that's the way that everyone wants to respond to Super Bowls,
Speaker 6: then you better get on board. And I think Lamar
Speaker 6: is on board with that. You can see it, you
Speaker 6: can see the pain.
Speaker 3: I love that guy. I think he's an amazing football player.
Speaker 6: And as he gets to become a more sophisticated passer
Speaker 6: and the Ravens lean in, I appreciate the hybrid they're
Speaker 6: leaving the Harbaugh run the ball, play great defense, like
Speaker 6: that's twenty fifteen. Like you I've got to enter into
Speaker 6: this new space that I think the Ravens have done
Speaker 6: in new play caller, and you know, and I think
Speaker 6: he's making the transition. And he's he is the most
Speaker 6: dangerous player in the field almost every time except for
Speaker 6: you know, when he run plumbs into Patrick or runs
Speaker 6: into Josh.
Speaker 3: And so the pain is real, the reality is real.
Speaker 6: You're not gonna you're not gonna you're not gonna have
Speaker 6: the perception of the of who you are as an
Speaker 6: athlete without it.
Speaker 3: And that's just the way it is. And he's and
Speaker 3: you can see it in him.
Speaker 6: He goes through the regular season and they run through
Speaker 6: the rank and file of the NFL ravens over and
Speaker 6: over and over again, and you can see it this year.
Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever, I'll see
Speaker 3: in January. I'll see in January. I'll see in January.
Speaker 3: You want to be Ambach, Yeah, I'll see in January.
Speaker 6: I don't care. I don't care. And so that's why
Speaker 6: yesterday was particularly painful. And and like he said, after
Speaker 6: the game, what a stud When you know market dropped
Speaker 6: the ball and everyone say, well, that's the game, then
Speaker 6: he's like, no, bro, I had two turnovers. I can't
Speaker 6: turn the ball over. And that's the thing about the
Speaker 6: play a football. They didn't what they turned over the
Speaker 6: ball three times forty interce like that had been amazing,
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, you know, mistakes, mistakes, mistakes,
Speaker 6: three turnovers and like I said, you got to take
Speaker 6: it from bloody hands in the playoffs and especially in
Speaker 6: the super Bowl and the and the Bills.
Speaker 1: Did you're talking about perception.
Speaker 2: The perception is that the officials play favorite, certainly with Patrick.
Speaker 1: Mahomes consciously, subconsciously.
Speaker 6: No, I honestly I think Pat is a you know,
Speaker 6: hon is he superman when he wants to?
Speaker 3: And he's figured that out. He's an artist, and look, you.
Speaker 6: Can say he should just you shouldn't use the art
Speaker 6: of the presence of mind that he has on the
Speaker 6: field to lure people into trouble.
Speaker 3: He's like the kid down the streets like, hey, let's
Speaker 3: go down here, and you know this will be fun.
Speaker 11: Try it.
Speaker 3: You know, like no, And he lures officials into the
Speaker 3: same way. I think in so many ways.
Speaker 6: He's just you have to you might you might say
Speaker 6: I hate Patrick Mahomes because he gets preferential retreatment.
Speaker 3: He got trust me on this.
Speaker 6: Now he's not the officials get get graded. All they're
Speaker 6: thinking is I want to get it right. I want
Speaker 6: to get it right because I mean to get graded
Speaker 6: in the NFL and I want to run the super
Speaker 6: Bowl and I want to I want to have a
Speaker 6: playoff game. Like That's all that's going through their minds.
Speaker 6: They are not thinking, oh wow, I got to help
Speaker 6: the Chiefs out. Now everyone on the outside is like,
Speaker 6: why are they opened out the chiefs? Patrick has he's
Speaker 6: like kid that lures you like he he's even lures
Speaker 6: in the officials because he's like that.
Speaker 3: He has a way of giving a sense that that
Speaker 3: was that was a foul.
Speaker 2: Did you get preferential treat Did you in Montana get
Speaker 2: preferential treatment?
Speaker 6: It's a different time, Dan, You might say preferential treatment
Speaker 6: means that they didn't really get to l w you
Speaker 6: in the growing in the way. Rather they got you
Speaker 6: in the they got you in the chest. You know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like, no, that's a press mental treatment.
Speaker 6: Is that they didn't actually draw blood, like hey, no
Speaker 6: blood this time, So that's good.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: I think I think you had you had officials that
Speaker 6: your friends, you know what I mean, like like you
Speaker 6: got to Jerry, Mark Bright and and and uh, just
Speaker 6: guys that you've ran into all the time in all
Speaker 6: the big games, and you had conversations all the times.
Speaker 3: Like I remember Jerry was great because you throw a ball.
Speaker 6: It was tough ball, you know, led the receiver open,
Speaker 6: you know, in traffic, and he's you'd get up.
Speaker 3: From getting pounded and goes, hey that's a good ball, nice.
Speaker 1: Throw, you know, like he was a fan.
Speaker 2: Did you ever get an official gift? No, of course,
Speaker 2: like you paused there for a moment, like a jersey
Speaker 2: a football.
Speaker 6: Did you ever know Jim Tunney was my favorite? But
Speaker 6: like no, you know I would I have never other
Speaker 6: than Jim I spoke. He became a friend later.
Speaker 1: The area.
Speaker 6: Uh, and you know the story when one of the
Speaker 6: officials I did get proferential treatment briefly because his daughter.
Speaker 6: He says, you know, you see, he's in law school
Speaker 6: and when I was going to law school too, and
Speaker 6: he's like, you guys should go.
Speaker 3: On a date, you know.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, all right, fine, you know, and uh,
Speaker 6: and then I got foul.
Speaker 3: I mean, I got hit and he threw the flag
Speaker 3: and he says, she likes Mexican, you know, and like,
Speaker 3: let's miss up.
Speaker 1: So wait a minute. If it came out you were.
Speaker 3: Dating, dive into this one.
Speaker 2: If you were not dating, I'm not bringing up Marie Osmon.
Speaker 2: How long did you date Marie Osman?
Speaker 3: Well, we had a couple of dates.
Speaker 2: Bro, you're scrambling now, you're not getting preferential treatment.
Speaker 11: That's all right, that's what I do.
Speaker 3: That's one of the games. Come to me, Dan, It's
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five minutes my game.
Speaker 1: So just don't wait.
Speaker 11: Man.
Speaker 2: Imagine if it came out that Josh Allen was dating
Speaker 2: an official's daughter, you were dading, you.
Speaker 3: Two gun, then you could really complain. Then you could
Speaker 3: really complain instead.
Speaker 2: Of just we didn't know about it because we didn't
Speaker 2: know that you went out with somebody to get preferential treatment.
Speaker 1: You know what super Bowls certainted. Now.
Speaker 3: I did never go out stop, it didn't happen.
Speaker 11: Relax.
Speaker 6: It was just a fun moment that I was trying
Speaker 6: to like lighten the moment when you're hearing a tough show.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to you know, bring some you know,
Speaker 3: ballast to this thing. Man.
Speaker 2: You know what, now you've now now you know how
Speaker 2: the Chargers felt in the Super Bowl when you were
Speaker 2: lighting them up and you never ever stopped throwing the football.
Speaker 3: Steve Right, Hey, hey it was.
Speaker 6: It was Mike Shannan told me pregame eight touchdowns, we're
Speaker 6: throwing eight.
Speaker 3: Touchdown Really he did no, He looked at me right
Speaker 3: in the eye.
Speaker 1: Well you could have.
Speaker 6: See, you know how serious he is. He's like, he's Mike,
Speaker 6: let's go over it against Shanahan. So he was like,
Speaker 6: we were freaking and we were going over it again.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: Well, you know how long the Super Bowl is. It
Speaker 6: goes forever, right, and so finally he's like, let's go
Speaker 6: over it again. Let's go over again. Mike, I can't
Speaker 6: go over it again.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I know you love to go over it again. I
Speaker 3: do too, but we can't go over it again. He goes, Okay,
Speaker 3: they touchdown.
Speaker 14: You know you were the leading rusher in that game too.
Speaker 14: Those are the days, Dan, Yeah, I know what it
Speaker 14: could have been. Remember when Shannon she came into halftime.
Speaker 14: You know what he did and he looked me dead
Speaker 14: in the eye and he went like this four and
Speaker 14: so that's halftime. So when they took me out with six,
Speaker 14: he was he was petted. But that's Mike.
Speaker 3: That's why Kyle's That's why Kyle's.
Speaker 6: Great, a great innovator and an amazing play caller, because
Speaker 6: he's like his dad.
Speaker 3: Like they like father, like son.
Speaker 6: That apple did not have fall fall from the tree
Speaker 6: because that Mike was. Mike was all about pounding people
Speaker 6: into absolute submission.
Speaker 3: And I loved it. I was amazing.
Speaker 1: And what did we learn today?
Speaker 2: Did we learn that Steve young career tainted it a
Speaker 2: little little bit, dated an official's daughter just to get
Speaker 2: preferential treatment. Okay, I mean I respect it. I mean
Speaker 2: that you're you're a winner, is what you are, Studd.
Speaker 2: Whatever it takes.
Speaker 3: I'm a Dodger, as you know. Yeah, that's that's what
Speaker 3: runs deep in the blood.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, that baseball career. They're still talking about it.
Speaker 3: But I could have what I could have been, Dan.
Speaker 1: You were the shoheo Tani of Greenwich, Connecticut.
Speaker 3: What I could have been?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know how hard it is to be to
Speaker 6: beat your way out of the mead streets of Greenwich.
Speaker 1: You did it. You did it.
Speaker 3: That is not easy, bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about a round of applause for Steve everything
Speaker 2: over time? You did it.
Speaker 3: Things are tough out here, man.
Speaker 1: No, no, somehow you you did it.
Speaker 3: We're very proud. We trudge along.
Speaker 2: So when you went to BYU, your BMW was used,
Speaker 2: like they didn't give you a new one.
Speaker 3: Bro, sixty five Oldsobil Dynamic eighty eight. My dad drove out.
Speaker 6: He's like, hey, you know, if you need a car, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, we got the old olds here that could
Speaker 6: you know?
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, I don't. I'm in Utah, that's
Speaker 3: thirty thousand miles away. He goes, I'll drive it out.
Speaker 3: You know, it'll be fine and.
Speaker 6: Great, young freaking drives it out, drives it across the country.
Speaker 3: I'm like Dad.
Speaker 6: That thing is you're not gonna get You're not gonna
Speaker 6: get off.
Speaker 3: The queen you know, the Queen's Expressway.
Speaker 6: You're not gonna, I mean, let alone, you know, getting
Speaker 6: over the throat to neck like you're.
Speaker 3: Long direction. Dad, I understand, don't worry.
Speaker 1: You're on a round. Just leave it alone, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna go the long way. I hope
Speaker 1: you have a great day.
Speaker 3: You're the best, Dad.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Steve. That's uh, Steve Young referential treatment. Let's
Speaker 2: go out with the officials.
Speaker 11: Daughter.
Speaker 1: She likes Mexican food.