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Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of The Giant Subtle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest Shoon O'Hara and David Deal, super Bowl champions.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmilk. For those of you watching on video,

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Speaker 1: Slash Podcast. We thank you guys for joining us, and

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Speaker 1: the draft is coming very very quickly. It is almost

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Speaker 1: here and we're joined by Shone O'Hara and David Deal. Guys,

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Speaker 1: how you guys holding up through this self isolation quarantine

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Speaker 1: world we're all living in. You can go for sean,

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Speaker 1: how about that? Yeah, certainly, certainly different times. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: thankfully everybody here in our house is safe. Now. We're

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Speaker 1: just trying to keep everybody sane. Um. You know, definitely

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Speaker 1: the wife and I are wearing the homeschooling hats, trying

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Speaker 1: to share duties with that and uh and still make

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Speaker 1: uh still make ends meet. Um. But I think the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing with all this has just been, you know,

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Speaker 1: finding a way to creative with things, doing things a

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Speaker 1: little bit differently, and uh, John and Dave, I will

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Speaker 1: say this, it's been kind of nice. We've been kind

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Speaker 1: of creating different routines as a family. We do a

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Speaker 1: family walk every single day, usually around three or four o'clock,

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Speaker 1: depending on what's going on. And uh, it's actually it's

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Speaker 1: been kind of nice to spend a little extra q

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Speaker 1: T with the fan, no question. I mean, thank God

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Speaker 1: that all of us are healthy here as well. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the same thing, doing homeschooling through Skype for Addison, you know,

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Speaker 1: same thing, take the walks, getting outside. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as tough as this has been on everybody, the one

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Speaker 1: great thing is that for you and I who are

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Speaker 1: always traveling, Shawn, we're definitely making up on time with

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Speaker 1: our kids here for sure, Yeah, no doubt. You know.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing I'll throw out there too. You know,

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Speaker 1: we we had a baby last Mark, so I feel

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Speaker 1: like we've already been quarantining being at home. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're stuck with the baby, the bottle duty, the naps,

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Speaker 1: the nap schedule, rex everything. So it's just kind of

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Speaker 1: a continuation for us. And we're all trying to squeeze

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Speaker 1: in the football in between guys, And who better to

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Speaker 1: talk about one of the best offensive line classes that

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Speaker 1: I've remembered a very long time. You have four guys

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Speaker 1: that could go in the top eleven or twelve. I've

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Speaker 1: seen a couple of mock drafts, the Reporters mock draft

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Speaker 1: we did on the Giant Huttle podcast. Nine offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: went in the first round. Seven offensive tackles, and two centers.

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Speaker 1: So let's start at the top, and Dave, let's start

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Speaker 1: with you. Who is your favorite of the offensive tackle

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Speaker 1: class in this draft? You know what, with the circumstances

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Speaker 1: that are taking place, you know, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that you and I have talked about, and Seawan and

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Speaker 1: I have obviously talked about, one of the main questions

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Speaker 1: you get through the first four weeks of the regular

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Speaker 1: NFL season is how come offensive lines aren't coming together

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Speaker 1: the CBA works out, with the limited time they have

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Speaker 1: on the practice field with young players, with their techniques

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Speaker 1: and fundamentals, it shows up within those first four weeks.

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Speaker 1: So when it comes now to the top players in

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Speaker 1: the drafts, those are the things that you're leaning on

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Speaker 1: when you are looking at these projects prospects, And for me,

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Speaker 1: right now, I think the best NFL ready prospect is

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Speaker 1: Jedrick Wills of Alabama. I think his feet, his size,

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Speaker 1: played in that in today's game, I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people put the emphasis only on left tackle, but

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Speaker 1: is an absolute mauler in the run game. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things that Sean I know that you'll talk

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Speaker 1: driving and moving. You always hear about offensive lineman, get

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Speaker 1: But he's also not chewed up and spit out of Alabama.

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Speaker 1: But think about who his quarterback was compared to Jeddard Wills, right,

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Speaker 1: And everything they talked about with Shriff was his hankling record. Well,

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Speaker 1: Which one do I keep up and switch the hands.

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Speaker 1: So the analogy I always uses next time you go

427
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and wipe with your other hand, the reality,

428
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 1: the point of that story is you get the job done,

429
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 1: but things get a little messy. And to piggyback on

430
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 1: that again, think about what you're talking about. You said

431
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,679
Speaker 1: it earlier on your inside hand, how important that is

432
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 1: in your past sets. Now, Think if you're a right

433
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 1: dominant player moving to the left side, you're going to

434
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Speaker 1: punch and a lot of times you'll see tackles moving over,

435
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 1: they crossed their body and they open up their inside

436
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 1: to a defense vent move. So that's something that you

437
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 1: see early on that you can't be as aggressive as

438
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Speaker 1: you want to be the way that you are on

439
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Speaker 1: the right side. Alright, guys, let's go to the one

440
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 1: tackle we haven't mentioned yet. That's McKay beckon. A lot

441
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,880
Speaker 1: of people out there think he's the ultimately the guy

442
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 1: with the biggest upside because of his just sheer physical

443
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: size and his freakish athleticism for his side. He was

444
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,399
Speaker 1: a left tackle of Louisville, did not run a traditional offense,

445
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: not a lot of true pass sets. When you guys

446
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 1: watched the Tavin McKay Beckton, what got you excited and

447
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 1: what got you a little bit worried? Dave, Let's start

448
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 1: with you. You know, obviously what gets you excited is

449
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,719
Speaker 1: if you get this guy in the phone booth, you

450
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 1: can't see the three technique or the linebacker, and he

451
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 1: is able to just move people at the point of

452
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: attack against their own will, from point A to point B.

453
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Speaker 1: One of the things that does step up to when

454
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: he watched him because he is raw when it comes

455
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 1: to his techniques and fundamentals. When we sit there and

456
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Speaker 1: talk about Thomas, Wills and Wharf, the thing that you

457
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: like about him is that you don't see him get

458
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 1: beat by the same thing again over and over. He

459
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: makes the corrections needed. I think the thing that's just

460
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: gonna take time with him are learning those techniques and fundamentals,

461
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: being able to get there out in space and the

462
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Speaker 1: leverage aspect. One thing that you see is when he

463
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: gets later in games and he gets tired because he's

464
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: so tall, he becomes a little bit of a wastepender.

465
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 1: His shoulders in his head get ahead of him, which

466
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 1: allows the defensive end to pull you through, or you

467
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 1: get out of bounds and you end up on your

468
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: on the ground too much. Those are all things that

469
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: coaching are going to help with him. But the one

470
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 1: thing you can't coach is size, and he has that

471
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Speaker 1: because if you get him in a phone booth, just

472
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Speaker 1: like Sean talked about Orlando Brown years ago, you're not

473
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Speaker 1: getting out of his hands. Yeah. Size when it comes

474
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Speaker 1: to tackle is obviously that's what everybody drools over. Man,

475
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Speaker 1: you get a tackle with this kind of size at

476
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Speaker 1: was the six seven seventy pounds. You know, that's hard

477
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: to come by. You know. It's kind of like when

478
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: you get a receiver that's running four two or four three.

479
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: You know, speed kills on the outside will size on

480
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: the inside is what you want. And how fitting that

481
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Speaker 1: McKay when you look up his name, all right, he's

482
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: got something that that name McKay translates to who is God? Like,

483
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: all right, that's how big this guy is. It's it's

484
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: got a biblical transition there. But he's probably one of

485
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Speaker 1: the most intriguing guys to watch on film because there

486
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Speaker 1: are moments and he was probably the one player and

487
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: I said oh, oh my gosh more times watching his

488
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Speaker 1: film than any other tackle because he had plays where

489
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: he took a guy from the hash market, threw him

490
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Speaker 1: into the water cooler. I mean, he was taking defensive

491
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Speaker 1: ends and returning to sender. So I call him a

492
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Speaker 1: detour blocker because he's not just moving guys, he's making

493
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Speaker 1: you go the opposite way. Um, he has that ability.

494
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: Now the power. Everybody says, okay, man, when you're not big,

495
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: of course you have the power. Well, then he goes

496
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Speaker 1: out at the combine and runs runs a very impressive forty.

497
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Speaker 1: Everybody's doing it on and they love it. Now. I

498
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: was disappointed because he heard himself at the forty because

499
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Speaker 1: I really want to see him do the drills. To me,

500
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Speaker 1: that would have been more important. So the fact that

501
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Speaker 1: he didn't get to the drills at the combine, he

502
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: didn't get to have his pro day with the climate

503
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: and what's going on around the around the country, So

504
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, that's a negative, and that's

505
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Speaker 1: tough for teams. You know they're gonna get to see

506
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Speaker 1: video and talk to people, but not getting to see

507
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Speaker 1: him do that work I think could hurt him in

508
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: this draft. I love when he gets his hands on people.

509
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: I think his pass set for how big he is.

510
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: He's very agile, he's very he's very athletic. UM. I

511
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: do have a couple of issues with him. I feel

512
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: like he gets a little lazy with his hands. He

513
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: turns into Yogi bear. Alright, giants, fans have heard Dave

514
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: and I reference that for many years. Alright, Eric Flowers,

515
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: where they drafted ninth overall, could never fix that, and

516
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: that's why he ended up moving into to guard. All Right.

517
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Speaker 1: That is a coach killer technique right there. If you

518
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Speaker 1: can't get your hands inside and you can't find a

519
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 1: way to fix that, it will never last. You will

520
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: always struggle, and at the NFL you will get exposed.

521
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: So he needs to fix that. I think he can,

522
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Speaker 1: because I think he's still a young player. I think

523
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Speaker 1: he's very raw. Um. I think, to me, it's really

524
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Speaker 1: about where he goes, just like I was saying with

525
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Speaker 1: Tristan Worse, what system does he go to? For McKay Beckton,

526
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: it's where is he going from a system standpoint, and

527
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Speaker 1: who is his old line coach? Because where he goes

528
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: and who is coaching him and helping him out, he's

529
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Speaker 1: going to determine how his how high his trajectory is

530
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: as a as a um as far as his career

531
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Speaker 1: is concerned. The one other aspect that I will say

532
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: that was a little bit alarming that I wrote down

533
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 1: something to watch a little bit more of is I

534
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: felt like he crossed over way too much in the

535
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: run game. His second step, it looked like a karaoke now.

536
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: A lot of it was outside zones and the offense

537
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: that they ran in Louisville, a lot of that was

538
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: they're trying to get to the perimeter. They wanted to

539
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: do these jet sweeps and get their quarterback on the outside. Um,

540
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: so maybe that's the way he was coached, but you

541
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: cannot cross over like that, certainly not a tackle. And

542
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: I know, deal, you went through this a lot when

543
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: you're doing zone blocking and that defensive end is on

544
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: the move, which the NFL guys do a lot because

545
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: they know it's hard to do blocking guys on the

546
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: move that that's tough. And he got away with it

547
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: in college because some of their schemes were, hey, mckuy,

548
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: you just run your course. If he veers will clean up,

549
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: we've got a fullback coming behind you, or we'll have

550
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: some other guy coming here and clean that up. You

551
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: just keep that train moving down field. So that's something

552
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: that really kind of alarming, was that second step. But

553
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: just got at he crossed over way too much, and

554
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: I think he lost a little bit in that, and

555
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: I think that actually showed up more on the runs

556
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: of when he was away from the zone trying to

557
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: cut off a backside three technique. You and I both

558
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: know if you don't gain ground and if you don't

559
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: take a good first foot, that three technique has the

560
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: ability to penetrate and split you in the guard. He

561
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: got away with it at Louisville. You are not getting

562
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Speaker 1: away with it with the three techniques in the in

563
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Alright, So, guys, if you take into consideration

564
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Speaker 1: all those guys skills you just talked about, plus the

565
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: Giants needs it. Number four, you gave your analysis, Just

566
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: give me your rankings one through four for those four

567
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Speaker 1: guys we just talked about. John I'm gonna put Andrew

568
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Speaker 1: Thomas at number one just because I feel like, you know,

569
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Speaker 1: the the ability to play left tackle he's shown and

570
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: he's done it, and he's done it at a very

571
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: high level puts him ahead of the class. I think

572
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: jeddrid Wills is right there behind him. Um, I'll put

573
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Speaker 1: Tristan Works at third, and then I'll put McKay back

574
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: in that fourth. Um, you know for for the Giants.

575
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Speaker 1: If we're just gonna focus on what they have in

576
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: front of them, you may to Nates Solder. I still

577
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: think Nates Solder has some good football left. And I'm

578
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: not talking about just one year ago. People want to

579
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: look at his CAT number and you know what he's

580
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: gonna cost. Look, I don't care you sign a deal

581
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: two years ago, three years ago. Guess what if he

582
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: could play another two or three years and you could

583
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: keep a guy at right tackle. Let Nate Solder. He's

584
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: I think some of his best football is still in him,

585
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: so you have that luxury. But if not, if I'm wrong,

586
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas is your best chance to to replace Nate

587
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: soldar I left tackle. But if you believe Nates Solder

588
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: still has time left, then you take Wills and now

589
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: you've got your pillars on the outside for the next

590
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: two to three years at least with Nate's Solder, and

591
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: then you can figure out the left tackle position three

592
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: years down the road, Dave and figure back on that.

593
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: I would definitely say Number one for me is Gedrick Wells.

594
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: I just think now with it not allowed time that

595
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna have during this offseason in regards to techniques

596
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: and fundamentals and plug and play and with ability to

597
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: adapt immediately. I'd give it to Wills. Secondly, then i'd

598
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: go with Andrew Thomas. I think if you're looking at

599
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: the Giants and if you are looking to move Nate

600
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: Soldier over to the right side, Andrew Thomas gives you

601
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: that the best ability to do that. I put Tristan

602
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: worse his three, even though I think he is the

603
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: best overall athlete in regards to the needs they don't

604
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: need as much as a versatile guy to plug in

605
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: and play on the interior, considering the fact that they've

606
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: got Gates as the interior guy to swing with depths

607
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: as well, So I would put him at three number four.

608
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: After that, then I would go with Becton. I think

609
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: that he's a work in progress, and I think right now,

610
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: in regards to the New York Giants, these other three

611
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: prospects would be better. Alright, guys, now let's jump to

612
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: that next group. If the Giants go with a different

613
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: type of player, maybe a defensive player at fourth overall,

614
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that at the end before we

615
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: say goodbye. Of that next group of guys, which one

616
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: is your favorite, Dave, let's start with you. Well, outside

617
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: of those two guys or those four guys we mentioned next,

618
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: I would go Josh Jones. I think that he still

619
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: has a lot of work to get done. Obviously, one

620
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he's had five offensive line coaches

621
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Speaker 1: in this time at University of Houston, so that says

622
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: a lot. I think that he needs refinement in regards

623
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: to his pass pros and his run game. That's where

624
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: he needs to add that mass. But if you're looking

625
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: for somebody to plug and play into overtime take over

626
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: at the left tackle position, I think he's that player.

627
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: Behind him, I have Austin Jackson. I think he's very athletic.

628
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: You see him get out in space. They pulled him

629
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: into the open area. He can work up to the

630
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: second level. But I think that his techniques and fundamentals

631
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: definitely need refinement and over the next possibly two years,

632
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: he can be turned into one of those All Pro players.

633
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: I like both those guys. I think Josh Jones he

634
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: was so smooth, you know, I mean he was a

635
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: four year starter at Houston. Um you watch him on film,

636
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: he say, man, this kid can play, and he probably

637
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: didn't get as much recognition because he was down in Houston.

638
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: If he had played at one of these other power schools,

639
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: he would have gotten all the accolades that these other

640
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: guys had. So really capable. I think he could be

641
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: a starter, no doubt, at left tackle or right tackle

642
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: if you wanted to move him over, even though we

643
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: just talked about how that's not easy. UM. So I

644
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: like Josh Jones. Um I'll throw in a couple other

645
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: there there. You know, Austin Jackson, USC. It's a great story,

646
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: obviously a great kid. But two other guys are Actually

647
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: another guy that really is kind of under the radar

648
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: a little bit he's gained some traction is Ezra Cleveland

649
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: out of Boise State. I really like this kid. I think,

650
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, if the Giants, as you said, if they're

651
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: looking for tackle in the second round, all right, early

652
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: second round, if Ezra Cleveland's there and they didn't get

653
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: somebody in the first round, I could see them taking

654
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: a guy like him. He's somebody that I think would

655
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: benefit from what certainly another year getting a little bit stronger.

656
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: But he's a really tough kid. I know. His oldline

657
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: coach at Boise State, Brad Bedell. He was a teammate

658
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: of mine with the Cleveland Brown So I know that

659
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: he's been taught some really good techniques, some really good fundamentals.

660
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: He played with a really bad toe injury last year.

661
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: He got turf toe early on UM. But you know,

662
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: they played Florida State week one, and I thought he

663
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: held his own. I thought he did a really good job.

664
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: He's got really good sense. You know, some guys you

665
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: watch a film, you're like, man, they just got a

666
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: really good feel. He could feel the twiss, he saw

667
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: the stunts. He never seemed like, you know, he didn't

668
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 1: know what was going on. He was lost. Um. You know,

669
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: he played next to UM, a guy with a great mustache.

670
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: I think his name is Munston. I can't remember his

671
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: name right now. But they were a really good jewel

672
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: working together. UM. And So I like Ezra. I think

673
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: he's really he's got good full work, he's got good

674
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: lower body power. Um. You know, he's kind of an

675
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: under the radar guy. But I like Josh Jones as well,

676
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: Robert Hunt from Louisiana, The Raging cag He's kind of guy.

677
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: He's a tweener. Right now, people are kind of grading

678
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: him as a guard. Uh, they say maybe he could

679
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: play tackle. He could be a really good pick up

680
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: for somebody later on the draft, and say, look he

681
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: could do he could be your sixth man, he could

682
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: be your swing tackle. He could also jump in at

683
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: guard as well. So, uh, Johnny, I'm not sure if

684
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: you were asking just for tackle stuff or if you

685
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: want to go guards and centers to not no problem

686
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: at all. And Dave, I want to touch on one

687
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: more tackle before we get to the centers. What does

688
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: I think about Jiah Wilson. He's somebody that's getting a

689
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: lot of late first round buzz played on the is

690
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: the side of Andrew Thomas. Obviously, monster of a guy

691
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: six he's almost McKay Beckton size. Now the problem is

692
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: doesn't move as well. So what are your guys thoughts

693
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: on Isaiah Wilson? And would you be all right if

694
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: you're if you see a general manager move up into

695
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: that back end of the first round and pick him. Sewan,

696
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I like Isaiah Wilson. You know you mentioned it. He

697
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: kind of flew under the shadows of Andrew Thomas, but

698
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: when you turn on the film he just swallows people up.

699
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he is so massive and so big that

700
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: I think his arms are probably second only to Andrew Thomas.

701
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: So he's got really long arms. He's a tough kid.

702
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: He's from Brooklyn. I think he went to Polly Prep

703
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: along the right baby, So I mean this kid. You know,

704
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: when I look at him, I'm like, this is this

705
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: booker t I mean the guy. The guy looks like

706
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: he's ready to throw people off the top ropes. You know,

707
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: I could have sworn I saw him outside of Bungalow

708
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: not letting me a deal in one night. Um, he's

709
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: just he's a massive human being. He's a kind of

710
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: guy that you love to have as an office liman.

711
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: I think he's tough, he's a finisher. Um. Look, did

712
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: he get in troublesome times out space, Yeah, but um,

713
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: I felt like he always found a way to get

714
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: the job done. You know. The one thing that just

715
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: he kind of shows up is is when it comes

716
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: to handling power and bull rushes. For as big and

717
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: strong as he was, there were times where I thought

718
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: he got he gave up too much ground, and I

719
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: think it's just a little bit upright. So those are

720
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: things that I think he will polish and he'll get

721
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: better at at the next level, and to go along

722
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: with that. One of the reasons why I think that

723
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: he exposed his chest too much, as he saw his

724
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: hands and his hips too much. You know the old saying,

725
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: you can't be a gun slinger. You've gotta be a

726
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: boxer out there at tackle. You've always got to get

727
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: your hands up. And sometimes when you see that big

728
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: size and frame shoot from the hip and a smaller

729
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: defensive end get inside hand leverage, he'd give up way

730
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: more ground than he needed to. Also, one thing with

731
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: his kick slide, tied his hands in his feet together.

732
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: Like I said, sometimes they were low. Sometimes he just

733
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: didn't punch and shoot those hands aggressively to restart and

734
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: redirect the defensive end. So therefore his hands and his

735
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: feet were tied together and caught himself in a lot

736
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: of problems on the edges, Dave, the other tackles stick

737
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: out to you maybe late in this draft that you

738
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: spotlight that you think maybe should be getting more play

739
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: than they are. You know what, I think that what

740
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: Sean just brought up herst is a good example of

741
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: a guy who's kind of a tweener. But that's the

742
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: big thing I think after Wilson and Ezra Cleveland. There's

743
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: a big drop off when you're talking about the offensive

744
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: tackles in his class. Sean, let's go to the center's

745
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: big man. Um, who's your top center on the class

746
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: and life? Um? All right, well, center class. So lets

747
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: just in general terms, I think this is a very

748
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: interesting draft for both guards and centers because I don't

749
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: think there are any guards out there that are really

750
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: wowing anybody. You know, we could go through the whole

751
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: second round and not one guard is taken. I could

752
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: see that happening. You know, Natani Muti from Fresno State,

753
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: he's probably one of the most powerful guards coming out.

754
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: He reminds me of will her Nanez when you watch

755
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: film on The problem is you got to go back

756
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: three years to find a whole season worth of film.

757
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: He's only played five games in the last two years.

758
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: Broke his foot towards achilles, so the medical This is

759
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: a tough year for him coming out because you can't

760
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: get in front of these teams. You can't show him

761
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: that you're healthy and show him what you could do.

762
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: But he's got some big time power in him. Um.

763
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I really think that teams really like him a lot.

764
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: I like the kid from Michigan, Bretterson. Um. You know,

765
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: he's he's been a stud his entire career. He's a

766
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: tough kid. You know, he doesn't do anything flashy, nothing,

767
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: He's not gonna wow you. But he's just a good,

768
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: solid player. So I could see him going. John Runyon Jr.

769
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: Who played left tackle alongside Bretterson, John is John senior Son.

770
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: He's been a start of left tackle of Michigan for

771
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: a long time, so he's played against some really good players.

772
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: I could easily see him getting drafted and somebody putting

773
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: him in that guard. Um. So those are two guys

774
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: that jump out of guard. I think Jonah Jackson from

775
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: Ohio State is a really quality guard. You know, is

776
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: he a second rounder? I don't know. Maybe he's a

777
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: third round guy. But he's a Rutgers kid that transferred

778
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: to wild State. You don't see that very often, but

779
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: just a really steady guy, really smart, really tough um

780
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: that rarely gets beat. He's probably one of the most

781
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: consistent past protectors out of all these guards. So that's

782
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: the guard position, the center position. Really, this is really

783
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, choose your own adventure here. Um.

784
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have Susan ru Ruise

785
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: from Michigan as their number one guy. Some people have

786
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: Lloyd Cushionberry. Um. I like Ruise more than cushion Berry.

787
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: I think Ruise is more athletic, uh. Even though cushion

788
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: Berry is heavier. I think Ruise he does a better

789
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: job at the point of attack, gets more movement. Cushion

790
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Berry didn't get much movement. We had a head up

791
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: knows there was no movement at all a lot of times,

792
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: which surprised me. Um. Ruise pulled a lot which you

793
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of centers getting out on outside zones,

794
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: and you know they usually try to skinny up to

795
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: the mic and not have to run the long way.

796
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: But he loved get out, getting out in front, getting

797
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: in space. So I think Caesar Ruise a very solid center.

798
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: If you draft him, I think he could very well

799
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: be your week one starter. I don't think he's a

800
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: big time mauler. He's not as strong as McCoy who

801
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: came out a couple of years ago, and he's down

802
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. But he's a very good solid pickup

803
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: at The Giants drafted him in the second round. Here's

804
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: the perfect draft for the Giants, Right, take a tackle

805
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: the first round, take a center in the second round.

806
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: Y'all set? All right, get him and gets his hug mollies.

807
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: But there's two other centers that I'm gonna throw in there,

808
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: and the first one is Matt Hennessey from Temple. His

809
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: kid is Temple tough. Now, Matt rule Um was in

810
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: Temple and he recruited him. He found him late in

811
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: the summer, brought him there, and Hennessy was kind of

812
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: a late bloomer. He's a little bit taller than both

813
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: Ruise and Cushionberry's much taller than Nick Harris, who I'll

814
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: get to in a second. But Hennessey just like the

815
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: drink man. It's so smooth, you know. It starts out like, hey,

816
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, do I really wanted this? Yeah? This guy

817
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: just grows on you. The more film you watch, the

818
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: more you say, wow, look at that block brings top

819
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: with that? All right, He's so technique, sounds so fundamentally

820
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: sound that I think that he's gonna surprise a lot

821
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: of people with how high he goes because they haven't

822
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: really talked a lot about so I think the fact

823
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: that he went to Temple, that's probably why. But he's

824
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: done nothing but impressed scouts, impressed teams since his career

825
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: ended a Temple. I think he's a guy that can

826
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: come in mentally, he's a smart kid. He's a Jersey

827
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: kid who went to Bosco right up here in Ramsey,

828
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: so you know he's a tough kid. How great would

829
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: it be for him to complete the trifecta basically all right, Bosco,

830
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: Temple and then play for the Giants, be right here

831
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: in the Tri State area for all three levels of football,

832
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: would be great for him. And then the last guy

833
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: I'll talk about is Nick Harris. Now, Nick Harris to

834
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: me is the most athletic of all these centers. I

835
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: think he's probably the best at getting up to the

836
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: second level. Um. He's got great, great feet, really good acceleration,

837
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: his footwork in the run game, it's it's really I

838
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: think it's better than all all the other centers in

839
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: the draft. He does a great job, whether it's a

840
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: head up nose or it's a shaded nose, getting great

841
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: leg drop, getting good movement. Despite the fact that he's

842
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: not as big as some of these other guys, he

843
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: reminds me of a guy who played with in Cleveland,

844
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: Jeff Fain. He's got that same kind of body type,

845
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: that same kind of leg drive, that same kind of power. Now,

846
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: when I saw him other combine, I thought, man, he's

847
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot smaller in the upper body than I thought.

848
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: But don't let that fool you. He's really good with

849
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: his hands. He's got really good aggressive punch. He does

850
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: a great job in ricochet's and combo block. So I

851
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: think Nick Harris is a really solid pick. He may

852
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: not go until the second or third round, but don't worry.

853
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: He's gonna be an impact player for somebody. David. Yeah,

854
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I could follow up on all those players,

855
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: but there's just one more I want to mention. I

856
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: want to mention John Simpson out of Clemson, the Guard.

857
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: I think that he's somebody that not a lot of

858
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: people are talking about. You know, there was some you

859
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: know reactions coming away from the Senior Bowl. Well, he

860
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: didn't play as well well. He rolled his ankle and

861
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: had a foot injury and played through it at the

862
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, which affected the way that he

863
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: played up against the top guys. But going up against

864
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: this his film. Going back to watch him and Clemson,

865
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: he was an absolute road game greater. They could pull him.

866
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: He was good at the second level in an open space.

867
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: Some of the things that he needs to work on

868
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: is his ability to reset, get quicker out of his

869
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: set in the passing game and not have themselves set

870
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: up for where he could beat by counter moves or

871
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: a secondary move by a defensive tackle. But he's one

872
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: of the players that I think that is an exciting

873
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: future ahead of him in the NFL. All right, Obviously,

874
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: those guys could be options, especially if the Giant do

875
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: not go with an offensive lineman at four. So let's

876
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: talk about Isaiah Simmons for a second, because I think

877
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: that really is kind of the big debate the two

878
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: factions of Giant fans are having. Do you go offensive

879
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: line or do you go Isaiah Simmons? A very unique player,

880
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: And Dave, let's start with you. If they do draft

881
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, what's the best way to use him early

882
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: and then long term for him to reach that great

883
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: potential that his total package versatility and athleticism brings to

884
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: the game. Well, obviously, when we heard Joe Judge in

885
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: his introductory press conference say. The first thing that he

886
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: wants the defense to be able to be his versatile,

887
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: to be able to play a four three or three four,

888
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: And he brings that systematically in the fact that you

889
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: have a weapon that you cannot only play at safety,

890
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: that you can have an added weapon in the run game.

891
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: You could have him down in the boxes that added player.

892
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: You can put him in the blitz packages, you can

893
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: wind him outside, and he can help out versus slot receivers.

894
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: There are so many different things that you can do

895
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: with him to maximize him as his abilities, and I

896
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: think that's one of the things that you saw happen

897
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: with him at Clemson. But for me, with the Giants

898
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: sitting at four, uh, and this isn't just coming from

899
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, I think in the best interests of

900
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: the Giants organization would to be a draft in offensive

901
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: lineman at four. When we're sitting here and we're looking

902
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: that there are more holes than just a linebacker slash

903
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: edge rusher on the defensive side of the ball. I

904
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: feel if you solidify this offensive line with Sae Kwon Barkley,

905
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones coming into his second year, and all

906
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: the weapons on the outside. That's what's gonna give you

907
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: the best chance to succeed and get in that battle

908
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: for the NFC East, which is the only thing that

909
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: guarantees you your right into the playoffs. So I think

910
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: that's the best way by putting those up on the

911
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: offensive side of the board so that you're putting up

912
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: more than twenty seven points a game and allowing the

913
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: defense that doesn't have all the tools there to play ahead,

914
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: which is a competitive advantage for a defensive coordinator. Sean,

915
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: I think Isaiah Simmons would be a great pick. Um.

916
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, I agree with deal with all those assessments,

917
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: you know, I think, Um, you know, look, Dave Gettlman,

918
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: he surprised everybody last year. You know, everybody thought with

919
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen sitting there at six overall there was a

920
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: slam dunk and then you know he goes, you know,

921
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: he goes off the top ropes and takes Daniel Jones.

922
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: This Isaiah Simmons pick would basically, I mean, this would

923
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: blend perfectly with what we're hearing Joe Judge say all

924
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: the time. If you were to play a drinking game.

925
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: Every time Joe Judge gave an interview and took a

926
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: sip every time he said versatility, all right, you would

927
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: you would be hammer two minutes into it because that's

928
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: what they're looking for. So Isaiah Simmons he can do

929
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: it all. He lined up at safety, lined up outside

930
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: of the corner, and lined up a nickel, lined up

931
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: a linebacker. He even rushed the passer and eight stacks

932
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: last year, let the team in pass breakups with tin.

933
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: So he's all over the field. The question, John, of

934
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: what you're asking is where does he fit? How does

935
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: he fit into this defense? And I think with Jabrill

936
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: Peppers already on this roster and already at that safety position,

937
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: I don't think you put him at safety. If you

938
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: take Isaiah Simmons, you're gonna play him at linebacker. Now.

939
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: They signed Blake Martinez a free agency, so he's the mic.

940
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: But maybe Isaiah Simmon ends up playing a little Will,

941
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: maybe a little sam. Maybe bring him in on third down.

942
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: Maybe you kind of slow him down a little bit

943
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: as a rookie and let him play situationally. But this

944
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: kid's six three, So do I think he's gonna be

945
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: sitting back there and cover too. No. The last time

946
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I saw a safety that big with Steve Attwater and

947
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: he was coming downhill totally different time, totally different offenses

948
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: back then as well. So I think he has a

949
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: little Jamal Adams in him, you know, maybe even the

950
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: Derwin James from the Chargers. Um. But I think his

951
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: best football is from the linebacker level. You can whether

952
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: he's off the ball or whether you put him on

953
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: the ball, let him play sam linebacker. UM. I think

954
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: that's probably where he's gonna end up being the best fit.

955
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: He's gonna get bigger, he's gonna put on a little

956
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: bit of weight. I mean, he's too thirty eight right now.

957
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: It's remarkable that somebody at six three to thirty eight

958
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: ran a four three eight forty. But that's the kind

959
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: of speed that you're getting from this guy who knows

960
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,479
Speaker 1: he could end up being like that number fifty six

961
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: that the Giants fans still wolf to this day coming

962
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: off the edge. Wouldn't that wouldn't that be a site

963
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: for Giants sore eyes? Well, So I think that's the

964
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: question I want to follow up with Dave with then,

965
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: because I had this debate with Paul Latino on a

966
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live, which is our our daily podcast

967
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: on giants dot Com. He thinks he can develop into

968
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: an elite pass rusher, and usually someone that show I

969
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: mentioned played at to thirty or so six three. He

970
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: was an effective blitzer. But does that effective goes away

971
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: if you use him as more of a traditional edge

972
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: and you don't know where he's coming from. So do

973
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: you see him as more of a pass rusher long

974
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: term or is he gonna be one of those tight

975
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: end eliminators in coverage that really sinks up your ridge

976
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. I would see him

977
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: more as an outside linebacker in a three four one

978
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: that's going to cover the tight end, because if I'm

979
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm going up against the defensive end

980
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: that's two and thirty five pounds, I'm yelling at my

981
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator run the football right behind me each and

982
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: every play, because that's when you start wearing down those

983
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: smaller guys in the third and fourth quarter and those

984
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: runs start popping from two yards to six to ten

985
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: to home run hitters. So I think what he brings

986
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: his versatility where you can use him on both sides,

987
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: where you can have them in those exotic looks on

988
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: third down where you have guys what we used to

989
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: call radar, standing up and walking around to create those

990
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: one on ones that are more efficient and more produced

991
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: or more productive for your defense. So he's not a

992
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: guy that I've seen that you're gonna line up in

993
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: defense and end and play there the entire time. He's

994
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: a guy that you want to create mismatches that are

995
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: more beneficial for him, but to create one on ones

996
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: for the rest of the guys on your defensive line

997
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, John, I'll piggyback on that too. I

998
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: think if you're gonna bring Isaiah Simmons in and you're

999
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: gonna drave them forth over all, do not ask him

1000
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: to put his hand in the dirt right now. He's

1001
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: not ready for that, all right, He's gonna be posterized

1002
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: weekend and week out. I think down the road, if

1003
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: you want to get him into that sub Nickel package

1004
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: and you know, as part of the NASCAR package, he

1005
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: could probably find a role in that. But when you

1006
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: look at the speed, I feel like you would be

1007
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: wasting that speed and that range that he has by

1008
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: having him play on the ball. Right now, maybe he

1009
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: morphs into that, But the other factor what that too,

1010
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: is I think you've got to look at all right,

1011
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: where is he? Where does he get drafted? And how

1012
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: does he learn that pass rushing stuff? All right? I

1013
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: think back to the Giants. We had o se when

1014
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: you are, we had straight hand. We drafted Justin Tuck

1015
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: in the third round. Everybody said, really, another pass rusher.

1016
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: Well here's what that did. Alright. Tuck got to come

1017
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: in and learn from those guys, all right, he got

1018
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: to kind of watch how they worked, watch how they practice.

1019
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: All right, Oh see, how how do I get my

1020
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: get off like that? How do I work the hands

1021
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: like Mike does? Alright? Justin absorbed all of that, and

1022
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: that was crucial for him, all right at the hand

1023
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: up becoming the guy and and I think Justice would

1024
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: say that helped him. Without those mentors, without that growth period,

1025
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: he would have never become a player that he became.

1026
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: The problem with Isaiah Simmons right now is who's that

1027
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: guy who's teaching him that. If you're the Giants draft him,

1028
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: you don't have a pass rush guy with that kind

1029
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: of pedigree that's gonna teach him. Hey, here are the

1030
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: tricks of the trade right now? Because really, when it's

1031
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: the Giants they're looking, they're grasping at past users right now,

1032
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: they're trying to find anybody they can to help get

1033
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback. Yeah, the way I see it, guys, Look,

1034
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: Jason Winn was in this division for a really long time.

1035
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz and Dallas Goddard still are last night checked,

1036
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: and Simmons is the perfect guy to try to kind

1037
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: of take those guys out of the game as a

1038
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: defender in the middle of the field, something the Giants

1039
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: defense has had trouble with for a real long time,

1040
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: and that could be a nice specified role for him

1041
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: in his first year a right, guys, this might be

1042
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: a chance for you guys to get your last word

1043
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: in before the draft on Thursday night. Uh so, day,

1044
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: let's start with you. What's your last word before the

1045
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: Giants start to still out the class on Thursday. I mean, obviously,

1046
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: this is a very exciting time and I think it's

1047
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see what happens with the roy

1048
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: Lions at number three because that can completely change the

1049
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: entire dynamic of this draft. But you know, I know

1050
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: that you continue to hear who's the best player available

1051
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: at that number four pick. For me, I just think

1052
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: with the background where this Giants organization and team. Is

1053
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: that now? I think Jedrick Wills is the pick of four. John.

1054
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: You know, John, Dave, we have sat here for years

1055
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: talking about how the offensive line play has held this

1056
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: franchise back. You have a chance right now with the

1057
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: fourth pick overall, You've already got your franchise quarterback. You've

1058
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: already got your generational player at SA Kuon Barkley. Find

1059
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: a way to make this offensive line a strength in

1060
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: your team. And it's right here in front of you.

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Speaker 1: So nobody is going to scoff or nobody is going

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Speaker 1: to say that the Giants got it wrong if they

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Speaker 1: take one of these tackles. I think it's right there.

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Speaker 1: It's a perfect timing, it's a perfect position to take

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Speaker 1: a tackle, and it's not a forced pick. We've heard

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Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman say you can't force the pick. This is

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Speaker 1: not a forced pick taken a tackle. Fourth overall, I

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Speaker 1: look back, John, you mentioned drafts with tackles. The last

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Speaker 1: time I saw a tackle class like this was two

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Speaker 1: thousand thirteen and it was Luke jokel Eric Fisher and

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Speaker 1: Lane Johnson. And guess what, Lane Johnson went Top five.

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Speaker 1: But nobody has any beef with the fact that Lane

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Speaker 1: Johnson is playing right tackle for the Philadelphi Eagles. But

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Speaker 1: if you want to win this division, look around at

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Speaker 1: who's won this division the last couple of years. Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. What do they have in common? They have

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl tackles. You cannot win this division with inferior tackles.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jason Peters, Lane Johnson down in Philly. Guess

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Speaker 1: what they moved into the first round last year to

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Speaker 1: get Diller? All right? They added a third left tackle.

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Speaker 1: Look at the Dallas Cowboys, Tyrann Smith. Alright, Lyle Collins.

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Speaker 1: They drafted Connor Williams, who was a left tackle attendant

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Speaker 1: at Texas, moved him into guard. So that's to me,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the division, how do you win

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Speaker 1: and get to the playoffs. You've got to find a

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Speaker 1: way to win your division. This is the first move

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Speaker 1: and do that. And guys, remember, tackles don't come around

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Speaker 1: very often. We've sat here talked about these offensive tackles

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Speaker 1: classes since really two thousand thirteen, two thousand and fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of times there's just no one there

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Speaker 1: for the Giants even pick whenever they're selecting and in

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Speaker 1: for agency. They usually don't become available either because these

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Speaker 1: guys get locked up long term. So striking while the

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Speaker 1: iron is hot certainly probably not bad of an idea.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, guys, Awesome time. Enjoy the draft

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Thanks David Deal, Thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: on this episode of the Giant Huttle Podcast. We will

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Speaker 1: see you next time. Everybody. If you're on Apple Podcast,

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Speaker 1: podcast on the Giants mobile app and on giants dot

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Speaker 1: com slash podcast. We'll see you next time. Stay safe

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Speaker 1: and enjoy the Draft