1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:16,045 Speaker 1: School of Humans, just waiting for Brandon, hoping he makes 2 00:00:16,045 --> 00:00:19,605 Speaker 1: it back. We were on the horse trail. We followed 3 00:00:19,645 --> 00:00:21,165 Speaker 1: that to the end and got to a pretty steep 4 00:00:21,205 --> 00:00:25,165 Speaker 1: drop off. Oh yeah, here he comes. This is like 5 00:00:25,205 --> 00:00:27,125 Speaker 1: the beginning of every horror movie where the people go 6 00:00:27,245 --> 00:00:30,325 Speaker 1: into the woods, so I'm very aware of that even 7 00:00:30,365 --> 00:00:35,005 Speaker 1: though we are being safe. We've been trying to get 8 00:00:35,045 --> 00:00:38,645 Speaker 1: onto Malibu Canyon Ranch because over the years, a lot 9 00:00:38,685 --> 00:00:41,525 Speaker 1: of people have said that there was direct access from 10 00:00:41,565 --> 00:00:44,645 Speaker 1: the back of that property to Dark Canyon, where my 11 00:00:44,725 --> 00:00:48,525 Speaker 1: TRACE's remains were found, so we're trying to figure out 12 00:00:48,645 --> 00:00:52,485 Speaker 1: if that's true. The ranch is a thirty acre property 13 00:00:52,725 --> 00:00:56,085 Speaker 1: with horses. They also do a lot of photo shoots 14 00:00:56,125 --> 00:01:01,325 Speaker 1: and productions, and it's also private property. But I found 15 00:01:01,365 --> 00:01:04,845 Speaker 1: a listing on Airbnb for the guest house. We booked 16 00:01:04,885 --> 00:01:08,725 Speaker 1: it for two nights. My producer Brandon got there first. 17 00:01:09,405 --> 00:01:12,925 Speaker 1: He met Sus Randall, the owner. She rode up to 18 00:01:12,925 --> 00:01:16,045 Speaker 1: meet him on a horse. She also introduced us to 19 00:01:16,085 --> 00:01:20,045 Speaker 1: her big black dog, Pickles. We both love dogs, so 20 00:01:20,085 --> 00:01:22,685 Speaker 1: we ended up tagging along as we looked around the property. 21 00:01:23,325 --> 00:01:25,565 Speaker 1: What did you tell me? What? Okay? So, Pickles the 22 00:01:25,645 --> 00:01:27,805 Speaker 1: dog is very happy because he likes to play fetch 23 00:01:27,805 --> 00:01:30,045 Speaker 1: and he just brought something back to me and I 24 00:01:30,085 --> 00:01:32,565 Speaker 1: thought it was a stick, but upon closer inspection, it's 25 00:01:32,565 --> 00:01:37,885 Speaker 1: a deerfoot. So we're finally here in the place that 26 00:01:38,005 --> 00:01:40,205 Speaker 1: a lot of people have been trying to get access 27 00:01:40,245 --> 00:01:45,045 Speaker 1: to since the night my terse went missing. We're hoping 28 00:01:45,085 --> 00:01:48,405 Speaker 1: to find a way to Dark Creek. I'm Catherine Townsend. 29 00:01:48,925 --> 00:02:24,765 Speaker 1: This is Helen Gone. So we're just as you can see, 30 00:02:24,805 --> 00:02:29,485 Speaker 1: we're walking to the back of the property. Here. When 31 00:02:29,525 --> 00:02:33,005 Speaker 1: you approach Malibu Canyon Ranch, you can see the Spanish 32 00:02:33,005 --> 00:02:36,285 Speaker 1: style main house. You can see horses in a little paddock, 33 00:02:36,845 --> 00:02:40,325 Speaker 1: and as you drive around you see a small guesthouse. 34 00:02:41,445 --> 00:02:46,245 Speaker 1: This side is just basically a wall of dirt and rock. 35 00:02:46,445 --> 00:02:49,525 Speaker 1: On the right to the left there of the properties. 36 00:02:49,805 --> 00:02:53,565 Speaker 1: In the background the Santa Monica Mountains, which is where 37 00:02:53,565 --> 00:02:57,245 Speaker 1: the Backbone Trail is. There's a saltwater pool and there 38 00:02:57,245 --> 00:02:59,925 Speaker 1: are views in every direction of the canyon and the 39 00:02:59,925 --> 00:03:03,365 Speaker 1: Santa Monica Mountains. We're going to continue down this road 40 00:03:04,205 --> 00:03:06,445 Speaker 1: and when you walk out of the guest house you 41 00:03:06,525 --> 00:03:09,285 Speaker 1: see a dirt road which they call the fire Road. 42 00:03:09,965 --> 00:03:13,405 Speaker 1: It leads to an incredibly steep drop down to the canyon. 43 00:03:13,965 --> 00:03:18,565 Speaker 1: That's down the canyon. That's the canyon. I'd say that's 44 00:03:18,605 --> 00:03:22,685 Speaker 1: probably a one hundred foot drop. Seventy five foot drops. Yeah, 45 00:03:23,405 --> 00:03:26,205 Speaker 1: see now and again, if you told me like the 46 00:03:26,285 --> 00:03:30,605 Speaker 1: remains were here, I'd be like, Okay, you drop it 47 00:03:30,645 --> 00:03:33,485 Speaker 1: off right that makes sense. Someone dropped it or she 48 00:03:33,565 --> 00:03:36,325 Speaker 1: fell or whatever. Is this right here? Yeah, if you 49 00:03:36,365 --> 00:03:40,205 Speaker 1: took one wrong step, especially if it was darker night, 50 00:03:40,245 --> 00:03:43,285 Speaker 1: or if you're so tired. When you look at a map, 51 00:03:43,925 --> 00:03:46,645 Speaker 1: the remains are point two miles from the fire road 52 00:03:47,085 --> 00:03:50,045 Speaker 1: where we're standing. But what you don't see on those 53 00:03:50,125 --> 00:03:54,285 Speaker 1: maps is this giant drop off. It's so steep they've 54 00:03:54,285 --> 00:03:58,685 Speaker 1: put up barriers, so although the remains are close, there's 55 00:03:58,765 --> 00:04:01,885 Speaker 1: no way to get there without hiking down and around 56 00:04:01,965 --> 00:04:07,485 Speaker 1: this drop off. We did find this little sort of 57 00:04:08,085 --> 00:04:12,285 Speaker 1: depression that seems to lead toward the canyon. We just 58 00:04:12,325 --> 00:04:15,685 Speaker 1: back up a little. We both talked to Susan Randall, 59 00:04:15,965 --> 00:04:18,325 Speaker 1: and she told us about the other trails at the 60 00:04:18,325 --> 00:04:21,365 Speaker 1: back of the property. We're just trying to figure out 61 00:04:21,445 --> 00:04:25,485 Speaker 1: where all of these trails lead. We started to hike. 62 00:04:26,165 --> 00:04:30,445 Speaker 1: Pickles followed us around and let us down. Some horse trails. Well, 63 00:04:30,485 --> 00:04:33,245 Speaker 1: he's walking down there. I was about pickles is cause 64 00:04:35,125 --> 00:04:39,485 Speaker 1: you Okay, buddy, come on back through. So if you're 65 00:04:39,525 --> 00:04:44,885 Speaker 1: a if you're a two foot black lamb, you can 66 00:04:45,045 --> 00:04:47,965 Speaker 1: you can get through this brush. Well it looks like 67 00:04:48,005 --> 00:04:50,285 Speaker 1: it drops right there. Though, see like I can't I 68 00:04:50,325 --> 00:04:54,965 Speaker 1: can't tell how stupid it is. Well, it's I think 69 00:04:55,165 --> 00:04:57,925 Speaker 1: down here there's another overking, so maybe we can get 70 00:04:57,965 --> 00:05:02,685 Speaker 1: a sense of that. So we followed every single horse 71 00:05:02,685 --> 00:05:05,845 Speaker 1: trail that led from the back of that property. We 72 00:05:05,925 --> 00:05:09,045 Speaker 1: went down in some areas that weren't actual trails the 73 00:05:09,085 --> 00:05:12,045 Speaker 1: other way. Let's go on here, look just to like 74 00:05:12,925 --> 00:05:16,205 Speaker 1: be threough. I'm gonna check the map from here. Okay, 75 00:05:16,565 --> 00:05:19,765 Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk down the bottom. Brandon and I split 76 00:05:19,885 --> 00:05:24,885 Speaker 1: up to look around. Anything interesting. It's real, it's real steep, 77 00:05:24,925 --> 00:05:28,085 Speaker 1: and it's again it's this loamy soil. Yeah. I think 78 00:05:28,125 --> 00:05:31,205 Speaker 1: if you started down that path that we saw that 79 00:05:31,325 --> 00:05:34,765 Speaker 1: my thought might be impossible. You'd started slipping and you'd 80 00:05:34,765 --> 00:05:37,925 Speaker 1: fall the hole. Yeah, you'd fall just one wrong step 81 00:05:38,005 --> 00:05:42,125 Speaker 1: up here, and let me look at this on the right. God, 82 00:05:42,485 --> 00:05:44,325 Speaker 1: I tell you, like for someone who did not like 83 00:05:44,365 --> 00:05:46,845 Speaker 1: the woods, a girl after my own heart. I can 84 00:05:46,885 --> 00:05:49,605 Speaker 1: only imagine how scary this would be. And I was 85 00:05:49,605 --> 00:05:51,005 Speaker 1: saying too when you were up there. I was like, 86 00:05:52,245 --> 00:05:54,965 Speaker 1: you know, the other thing that's strange is it's extremely 87 00:05:55,045 --> 00:05:56,885 Speaker 1: hard to figure out what time of day it is 88 00:05:56,965 --> 00:06:00,045 Speaker 1: right now. There are so many the sun disappears behind 89 00:06:00,085 --> 00:06:03,125 Speaker 1: the mountains, and I can't tell what time. I have 90 00:06:03,205 --> 00:06:04,725 Speaker 1: no idea what time of day it is right now. 91 00:06:04,765 --> 00:06:06,805 Speaker 1: It's partly class and it could be ten o'clock in 92 00:06:06,845 --> 00:06:11,125 Speaker 1: the morning, could be seven o'clock at night. After following 93 00:06:11,165 --> 00:06:13,805 Speaker 1: all these trails at the back of the property, it 94 00:06:13,885 --> 00:06:17,165 Speaker 1: really seems that there's no way down. There is no 95 00:06:17,325 --> 00:06:20,445 Speaker 1: shortcut between the back of that property and the area 96 00:06:20,485 --> 00:06:24,165 Speaker 1: where my Trees's remains were found in Dark Canyon. After 97 00:06:24,205 --> 00:06:27,325 Speaker 1: we exhausted all the possibilities that way, we then went 98 00:06:27,445 --> 00:06:30,885 Speaker 1: back toward the Backbone trail, which took us right back 99 00:06:31,005 --> 00:06:35,285 Speaker 1: to the same routes we had taken before. But I'm 100 00:06:35,285 --> 00:06:40,645 Speaker 1: gone this way, yeah, I'm probably can regret this. We 101 00:06:40,685 --> 00:06:43,325 Speaker 1: decided to hike back to the coordinates where my trees 102 00:06:43,445 --> 00:06:48,245 Speaker 1: was found. Again. It was the hardest hike I've ever done. 103 00:06:48,285 --> 00:06:50,565 Speaker 1: We say we went hiking, but it's not a hike. 104 00:06:50,965 --> 00:06:55,325 Speaker 1: It's a climb. It's climbing sheer rock face and trying 105 00:06:55,365 --> 00:06:57,485 Speaker 1: not to slip and fall down the sides of the canyon. 106 00:06:58,285 --> 00:07:01,485 Speaker 1: The soil is very loose. It's almost like trying to 107 00:07:01,525 --> 00:07:04,685 Speaker 1: climb a sand dune. It is easier that it's cooler. 108 00:07:04,725 --> 00:07:08,925 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that it's much easier because it's cooler. 109 00:07:09,845 --> 00:07:13,565 Speaker 1: That was what was kind of killing us. But I'm 110 00:07:13,605 --> 00:07:16,925 Speaker 1: glad we did it twice when we hike this route. 111 00:07:16,925 --> 00:07:19,885 Speaker 1: The first time it was around the same time of 112 00:07:20,005 --> 00:07:23,885 Speaker 1: year when my trees went missing mid September. We were 113 00:07:23,925 --> 00:07:27,805 Speaker 1: seeing dark canyon as she had been experiencing it. It 114 00:07:27,885 --> 00:07:30,365 Speaker 1: was hot and dry, and there was a thick curtain 115 00:07:30,405 --> 00:07:33,885 Speaker 1: of trees and it was almost impossible to get through 116 00:07:34,765 --> 00:07:37,325 Speaker 1: because there were so many trees covering the rock face 117 00:07:37,365 --> 00:07:40,285 Speaker 1: on both sides. It was really hard to tell how 118 00:07:40,285 --> 00:07:43,845 Speaker 1: steep it was at any point. But this time, hiking 119 00:07:43,845 --> 00:07:47,085 Speaker 1: in December, a lot of those leaves have dropped. It 120 00:07:47,205 --> 00:07:50,365 Speaker 1: was cooler and easier to take a thorough look at 121 00:07:50,365 --> 00:07:52,845 Speaker 1: the sides of the canyon. It's so much easier because 122 00:07:52,885 --> 00:07:55,605 Speaker 1: all of these were in full bloom, like they were 123 00:07:55,645 --> 00:08:03,725 Speaker 1: like cutting. This was all like impassable almost yeah, you 124 00:08:03,725 --> 00:08:08,285 Speaker 1: can actually see what's going on. This time, we saw 125 00:08:08,365 --> 00:08:10,485 Speaker 1: that there did seem to be a few spots that 126 00:08:10,565 --> 00:08:14,405 Speaker 1: were less steep where you could climb up, but those 127 00:08:14,445 --> 00:08:19,325 Speaker 1: points were still far from the remains. We also saw 128 00:08:19,325 --> 00:08:25,005 Speaker 1: something else, a lot more trash, soda cans, deflated balloons, plastic, 129 00:08:25,285 --> 00:08:28,725 Speaker 1: and other debris. We saw some areas where branches have 130 00:08:28,805 --> 00:08:31,365 Speaker 1: been organized, and pseudo huts seemed to have been built. 131 00:08:32,205 --> 00:08:35,645 Speaker 1: It was really creepy because we know that cartel people 132 00:08:35,805 --> 00:08:39,085 Speaker 1: have used this area to grow cannabis, and the grow 133 00:08:39,205 --> 00:08:43,085 Speaker 1: season is from April to November. It gives me chills 134 00:08:43,125 --> 00:08:46,405 Speaker 1: to think that while we were hiking through there, people 135 00:08:46,405 --> 00:08:49,845 Speaker 1: could have been hiding behind those leaves. We also found 136 00:08:49,885 --> 00:08:54,605 Speaker 1: an oven. So we're now at the point let's see 137 00:08:54,605 --> 00:08:57,725 Speaker 1: if I get this, this would be the equivalent point 138 00:08:57,765 --> 00:09:00,525 Speaker 1: in the creek bed of when we walked to the 139 00:09:00,645 --> 00:09:02,805 Speaker 1: end of the fire road, which is like the furthest tip, 140 00:09:03,165 --> 00:09:05,125 Speaker 1: the point where we're saying, hey, we're point two miles 141 00:09:05,125 --> 00:09:09,885 Speaker 1: from theirs, and from this point we've seen a lot 142 00:09:09,965 --> 00:09:14,045 Speaker 1: of Basically, we saw something. We see some debris down here, 143 00:09:14,405 --> 00:09:16,445 Speaker 1: and it looks like that might be an oven or 144 00:09:16,765 --> 00:09:19,725 Speaker 1: mini fridge got some more pictures of that. But there's 145 00:09:19,725 --> 00:09:21,805 Speaker 1: definitely signs that there have been people down here, and 146 00:09:21,845 --> 00:09:26,205 Speaker 1: it looks like if before the fence was put up, 147 00:09:26,245 --> 00:09:28,685 Speaker 1: It's very plausible that this could have been somewhere that 148 00:09:28,685 --> 00:09:31,565 Speaker 1: someone could have pulled up and dumped something down. However, 149 00:09:31,765 --> 00:09:34,645 Speaker 1: because we've still got a ways to go, that makes 150 00:09:34,685 --> 00:09:36,845 Speaker 1: this less likely because the road doesn't continue that far. 151 00:09:37,645 --> 00:09:41,845 Speaker 1: We also found more hoses. Remember my Treesa's body was 152 00:09:41,925 --> 00:09:45,525 Speaker 1: found not during a police search, but because park rangers 153 00:09:45,565 --> 00:09:49,965 Speaker 1: were looking for an illegal marijuana grow. They found irrigation hoses. 154 00:09:50,885 --> 00:09:54,045 Speaker 1: When we did our first hike, we also saw hoses 155 00:09:54,045 --> 00:09:58,245 Speaker 1: that looked old, but on this hike we found other hoses, 156 00:09:58,845 --> 00:10:02,765 Speaker 1: different types of hoses that looked pretty new. There was 157 00:10:02,845 --> 00:10:05,685 Speaker 1: also a thin layer of water flowing in the creek 158 00:10:05,725 --> 00:10:08,445 Speaker 1: at this time, and that's where the hoses seemed to 159 00:10:08,485 --> 00:10:11,525 Speaker 1: be connected. I'm starting to think that it's more likely 160 00:10:11,565 --> 00:10:14,565 Speaker 1: than not that my Trees did walk up on the 161 00:10:14,565 --> 00:10:18,405 Speaker 1: wrong people. There's a lot of evidence of people hiding 162 00:10:18,445 --> 00:10:21,765 Speaker 1: in the woods and camping. This is not an area 163 00:10:21,885 --> 00:10:24,765 Speaker 1: where you would hike to and set up camp unless 164 00:10:24,765 --> 00:10:30,605 Speaker 1: you were trying to hide from someone. This is a 165 00:10:30,605 --> 00:10:33,565 Speaker 1: tough case because there's so much that was either not 166 00:10:33,765 --> 00:10:36,965 Speaker 1: done at the scene the first time or done incorrectly. 167 00:10:37,685 --> 00:10:42,045 Speaker 1: It's hard to have definitive answers. So doing the height 168 00:10:42,165 --> 00:10:46,485 Speaker 1: twice was extremely important because unless you go in there, 169 00:10:46,925 --> 00:10:50,685 Speaker 1: it's hard to put yourself on my Teresa's shoes. For example, 170 00:10:51,085 --> 00:10:53,725 Speaker 1: when we started our investigation, there were a lot of 171 00:10:53,765 --> 00:10:56,885 Speaker 1: people talking about the fact that the area where the 172 00:10:56,965 --> 00:11:00,405 Speaker 1: remains were found is close to the ranch property. It 173 00:11:00,485 --> 00:11:03,245 Speaker 1: is close, but if you have to drop off a cliff, 174 00:11:03,685 --> 00:11:08,245 Speaker 1: that distance is meaningless. The bottom line is, any way 175 00:11:08,285 --> 00:11:11,365 Speaker 1: we tried to go, we still ended up having to 176 00:11:11,405 --> 00:11:14,605 Speaker 1: go around and hike the long way, But we wouldn't 177 00:11:14,685 --> 00:11:17,405 Speaker 1: know that if we hadn't gone out there. And once 178 00:11:17,445 --> 00:11:19,805 Speaker 1: you get to Dark Creek, you get a sense of 179 00:11:19,845 --> 00:11:23,045 Speaker 1: how treacherous it was, and we found so much with 180 00:11:23,125 --> 00:11:26,685 Speaker 1: the new hoses an oven, it just seems clear to 181 00:11:26,765 --> 00:11:30,685 Speaker 1: me that even though this area seems extremely remote and dangerous, 182 00:11:31,405 --> 00:11:34,565 Speaker 1: there are people out there living in those woods, and 183 00:11:34,605 --> 00:11:37,965 Speaker 1: if she encountered those people, it's likely that they would 184 00:11:38,005 --> 00:11:41,005 Speaker 1: have done something bad to her. We had also heard 185 00:11:41,005 --> 00:11:43,485 Speaker 1: a lot of theories about someone driving out there and 186 00:11:43,565 --> 00:11:46,805 Speaker 1: dumping a body. Now, there have been cases in this 187 00:11:46,885 --> 00:11:50,125 Speaker 1: area where that happened with gang members and serial killers, 188 00:11:50,165 --> 00:11:54,045 Speaker 1: for example, But in all of those cases, the bodies 189 00:11:54,085 --> 00:11:56,205 Speaker 1: were dumped in places where you can pull a car 190 00:11:56,325 --> 00:11:59,885 Speaker 1: up near a road, for example, in my Teresa's case, 191 00:12:00,165 --> 00:12:04,765 Speaker 1: that would be impossible. So from the road you see 192 00:12:04,765 --> 00:12:07,725 Speaker 1: the no TRESSPA sign, you see the fire road. It's 193 00:12:07,765 --> 00:12:09,805 Speaker 1: a dirt road, but a car could drive down that 194 00:12:09,845 --> 00:12:12,805 Speaker 1: part of it. So there is this so I can 195 00:12:12,885 --> 00:12:15,725 Speaker 1: understand why people might have asked the question. You know, 196 00:12:15,805 --> 00:12:18,885 Speaker 1: could someone have driven some way, maybe with an ATV 197 00:12:18,925 --> 00:12:21,005 Speaker 1: even or something, and gotten close to where the body 198 00:12:21,045 --> 00:12:24,245 Speaker 1: was dumped and then dumped it there. But that's impossible. 199 00:12:24,645 --> 00:12:27,365 Speaker 1: It's there's no road up here, there's no way unless 200 00:12:27,365 --> 00:12:29,445 Speaker 1: the car could fly, there's no way to get to 201 00:12:29,485 --> 00:12:33,405 Speaker 1: that spot. So either she walked back there herself or 202 00:12:33,405 --> 00:12:51,645 Speaker 1: someone carried her there. Like everywhere else in the world, 203 00:12:52,125 --> 00:12:55,765 Speaker 1: twenty twenty has been an apocalyptic year. In Los Angeles. 204 00:12:56,725 --> 00:13:01,565 Speaker 1: There's been a global pandemic, massive protests, super spreader events, 205 00:13:02,085 --> 00:13:05,125 Speaker 1: and a fire season that turned the La sky red 206 00:13:05,725 --> 00:13:10,245 Speaker 1: days at a time. Then in September, a black man 207 00:13:10,405 --> 00:13:13,885 Speaker 1: named Dejon Kizzy was riding his bicycle on the wrong 208 00:13:13,965 --> 00:13:18,045 Speaker 1: side of the street in South la When police tried 209 00:13:18,085 --> 00:13:21,205 Speaker 1: to stop Kizzy, he fled and when they caught up 210 00:13:21,205 --> 00:13:24,765 Speaker 1: to him, there was a scuffle. Police say that Kizzy 211 00:13:24,845 --> 00:13:27,725 Speaker 1: struck a deputy in the face and then dropped and 212 00:13:27,765 --> 00:13:30,885 Speaker 1: picked up a handgun, which ended with police firing at 213 00:13:30,925 --> 00:13:36,245 Speaker 1: him multiple times. After his death, protesters took to the streets, 214 00:13:37,165 --> 00:13:40,725 Speaker 1: and a few days later, two young police deputies, one 215 00:13:40,765 --> 00:13:43,885 Speaker 1: male and one female, were sitting in their squad car 216 00:13:44,045 --> 00:13:47,405 Speaker 1: outside of Metro station in Compton when a single shooter 217 00:13:47,765 --> 00:13:50,525 Speaker 1: walked right up to their car window and shot them 218 00:13:50,685 --> 00:13:56,325 Speaker 1: both multiple times at point blank range. Both deputies survived 219 00:13:56,365 --> 00:14:00,125 Speaker 1: the execution attempt, but the shooting and the protest that 220 00:14:00,205 --> 00:14:03,925 Speaker 1: followed sent shock waves through a community where tension was 221 00:14:03,965 --> 00:14:07,565 Speaker 1: already at breaking point. The deputies were taken to a 222 00:14:07,605 --> 00:14:11,445 Speaker 1: local hospital and a small number of protesters were gathered outside. 223 00:14:12,405 --> 00:14:15,885 Speaker 1: A few of them started to chant let them die. 224 00:14:15,965 --> 00:14:20,125 Speaker 1: Then a KPCC reporter named Josie y Wog was covering 225 00:14:20,205 --> 00:14:22,885 Speaker 1: the protest when she was thrown to the ground by deputies. 226 00:14:24,005 --> 00:14:27,725 Speaker 1: Sheriff Alex Villanueva first said that Wang had interfered with 227 00:14:27,765 --> 00:14:30,605 Speaker 1: the arrest and that she did not have press credentials, 228 00:14:32,205 --> 00:14:35,485 Speaker 1: but video captured on cell phones showed that she was 229 00:14:35,565 --> 00:14:39,045 Speaker 1: wearing a lanyard identifying herself as a member of the media. 230 00:14:39,845 --> 00:14:42,805 Speaker 1: She said that she complied with the deputy's orders, but 231 00:14:42,965 --> 00:14:46,205 Speaker 1: was arrested and detained for five hours for obstructing a 232 00:14:46,205 --> 00:14:58,645 Speaker 1: peace officer. Sheriff Alex Villanueva was sworn in in December 233 00:14:58,645 --> 00:15:02,965 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen on a promise to reform, rebuild, and restore 234 00:15:03,085 --> 00:15:07,005 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, and he has made 235 00:15:07,045 --> 00:15:10,805 Speaker 1: some reforms, but he's also seen his share of controversy. 236 00:15:11,205 --> 00:15:15,365 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, the Los Angeles County Democratic Party, who 237 00:15:15,445 --> 00:15:20,045 Speaker 1: had enthusiastically endorsed him, issued a statement criticizing Sheriff l 238 00:15:20,165 --> 00:15:24,125 Speaker 1: Nueva for what it called numerous complaints of abuse of 239 00:15:24,165 --> 00:15:28,805 Speaker 1: his office. It said that these alleged abuses had eroded 240 00:15:28,805 --> 00:15:32,965 Speaker 1: the trust of the public. Among other things, they criticized 241 00:15:33,005 --> 00:15:36,685 Speaker 1: his decision to reinstate deputies who had previously been fired 242 00:15:36,685 --> 00:15:42,125 Speaker 1: for misconduct, including allegations of domestic violence, and some critics 243 00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:46,725 Speaker 1: have also questioned the current administration's transparency. In October, a 244 00:15:46,765 --> 00:15:49,445 Speaker 1: civil complaint was filed by deputies who claimed that they 245 00:15:49,445 --> 00:15:52,365 Speaker 1: were assaulted at the East LA Station by a group 246 00:15:52,405 --> 00:15:55,485 Speaker 1: of older officers who were allegedly members of a gang. 247 00:15:56,005 --> 00:15:59,725 Speaker 1: They called themselves Bandidos and had tattoos of a skeleton, 248 00:15:59,965 --> 00:16:04,325 Speaker 1: wearing a sombrero and carrying guns. The complaint alleges that 249 00:16:04,365 --> 00:16:08,525 Speaker 1: the Bandidos controlled the East LA station like inmates running 250 00:16:08,525 --> 00:16:13,085 Speaker 1: a prison yard. My Teresa's disappearance happened in two thousand 251 00:16:13,085 --> 00:16:16,685 Speaker 1: and nine, years before the Black Lives Matter movement, but 252 00:16:16,805 --> 00:16:20,165 Speaker 1: during the protests in La, her name was being added 253 00:16:20,205 --> 00:16:23,965 Speaker 1: to hashtag Say her Name, along with Breonna Taylor, who 254 00:16:24,045 --> 00:16:26,645 Speaker 1: was killed by police at her home during a raid. 255 00:16:27,445 --> 00:16:31,045 Speaker 1: We had to scream and fight every inch of the 256 00:16:31,085 --> 00:16:36,525 Speaker 1: way for like the resources from the Sheriff's department, for 257 00:16:38,005 --> 00:16:42,165 Speaker 1: the local mainstream television drive by media to cover it. 258 00:16:42,925 --> 00:16:46,965 Speaker 1: Like we had a fight for everything. This is Jasmine Caannic. 259 00:16:47,525 --> 00:16:50,405 Speaker 1: She's a journalist who's been involved with my Teresa's case 260 00:16:50,605 --> 00:16:55,285 Speaker 1: since the beginning. You know, nobody should be disappearing like that. 261 00:16:56,205 --> 00:17:00,445 Speaker 1: No one should disappear like that, Like that was crazy 262 00:17:00,605 --> 00:17:04,045 Speaker 1: and that could have been anyone, Yeah, right, that could 263 00:17:04,125 --> 00:17:05,965 Speaker 1: have been And that was one of the things that 264 00:17:06,045 --> 00:17:08,005 Speaker 1: resonated with me a lot. It was just like that 265 00:17:08,045 --> 00:17:12,045 Speaker 1: could have been me, that could have been anyone. She 266 00:17:12,165 --> 00:17:16,005 Speaker 1: says that some cases strike you hard, and she decided 267 00:17:16,045 --> 00:17:18,885 Speaker 1: to get even more involved with the case after she 268 00:17:19,005 --> 00:17:23,045 Speaker 1: met with my Teresa's dad, Michael, ten years ago. She's 269 00:17:23,085 --> 00:17:26,765 Speaker 1: remained close to Michael ever since. We all met at 270 00:17:26,805 --> 00:17:31,165 Speaker 1: Starbucks and had like a really long conversation. That's when 271 00:17:31,165 --> 00:17:36,165 Speaker 1: I started writing about it. And as is the case 272 00:17:36,285 --> 00:17:43,045 Speaker 1: with some of the stories that I choose to take on, 273 00:17:43,365 --> 00:17:46,045 Speaker 1: I get a little more involved than I do in others, 274 00:17:47,205 --> 00:17:50,125 Speaker 1: and the Matrise one was one of them because it 275 00:17:50,365 --> 00:17:54,685 Speaker 1: was being ignored. This girl just, you know, disappeared, and 276 00:17:55,045 --> 00:17:58,605 Speaker 1: it was not giving the attention that you know, a 277 00:17:58,685 --> 00:18:02,765 Speaker 1: blonde hair, blue eyed girl who would go missing in 278 00:18:02,805 --> 00:18:13,045 Speaker 1: Malibu would have gotten the trees, you know, did not 279 00:18:13,565 --> 00:18:18,205 Speaker 1: get the benefit of Black Lives Matter. And it's unfortunate 280 00:18:18,365 --> 00:18:23,645 Speaker 1: because I feel like her case should have been one 281 00:18:23,685 --> 00:18:26,125 Speaker 1: of the proposter children for Black Lives Matter. I mean, 282 00:18:26,165 --> 00:18:29,765 Speaker 1: if you have this, you know, young black woman who 283 00:18:30,205 --> 00:18:35,365 Speaker 1: was clearly having mental health crisis. So it's tragic on 284 00:18:35,485 --> 00:18:39,285 Speaker 1: all these different levels to me because had it just 285 00:18:39,405 --> 00:18:43,005 Speaker 1: been a few years later, I think more people would 286 00:18:43,045 --> 00:18:46,965 Speaker 1: have been screaming about it. I think had it been 287 00:18:47,005 --> 00:18:50,685 Speaker 1: a few years later, maybe she wouldn't have been taken 288 00:18:50,725 --> 00:18:54,405 Speaker 1: into custody in the first place, because the little anybody 289 00:18:54,445 --> 00:18:58,525 Speaker 1: anse of weed is not anything that can be criminally charged. 290 00:19:10,045 --> 00:19:13,085 Speaker 1: Some people believe that one or more of the officers 291 00:19:13,085 --> 00:19:16,005 Speaker 1: on duty that night could have played a more direct 292 00:19:16,085 --> 00:19:19,925 Speaker 1: role in my Teresa's death. The deputies who were identified 293 00:19:19,965 --> 00:19:22,965 Speaker 1: by multiple sources as being the ones who appeared on 294 00:19:23,085 --> 00:19:27,645 Speaker 1: video have never spoken out. But however you look at it, 295 00:19:27,765 --> 00:19:32,165 Speaker 1: Jasmine says that the Lost Hill Sheriff's Department clearly failed 296 00:19:32,445 --> 00:19:34,845 Speaker 1: in their duty of care to my trees on the 297 00:19:34,925 --> 00:19:37,965 Speaker 1: night she went missing. Well, it's clear the sheriffs had 298 00:19:38,005 --> 00:19:41,605 Speaker 1: something to do with her death, I mean, just for 299 00:19:41,645 --> 00:19:44,605 Speaker 1: the simple fact that they released her, you know, after 300 00:19:44,685 --> 00:19:47,845 Speaker 1: saying they wouldn't in the middle of the night without anything, right, 301 00:19:47,965 --> 00:19:50,325 Speaker 1: So they had something to do with her death because 302 00:19:50,725 --> 00:19:53,565 Speaker 1: after that, you know, as we all know now, she 303 00:19:53,965 --> 00:19:58,005 Speaker 1: ended up dead. But many of us do believe that, 304 00:19:58,565 --> 00:20:00,925 Speaker 1: you know, the Sheriff's had one or two of the 305 00:20:00,965 --> 00:20:04,845 Speaker 1: deputies over there had more to do with it than 306 00:20:05,765 --> 00:20:09,285 Speaker 1: you know, we've ever really been able to prove but 307 00:20:09,405 --> 00:20:13,205 Speaker 1: for me, all fingers point back to the Sheriff's apartment 308 00:20:13,205 --> 00:20:17,325 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, they told her mother, 309 00:20:17,725 --> 00:20:21,885 Speaker 1: her grandmother, that they weren't going to release her, and 310 00:20:21,925 --> 00:20:28,485 Speaker 1: then they did. And that's a common problem in La County, 311 00:20:29,205 --> 00:20:31,605 Speaker 1: which is, you know, they like to let women go 312 00:20:31,885 --> 00:20:36,365 Speaker 1: at these odd you know, hours of the night when 313 00:20:36,405 --> 00:20:41,845 Speaker 1: it's dangerous. It's beyond me why they did that, like 314 00:20:42,005 --> 00:20:45,525 Speaker 1: after they told her family, with Teresa's family, that they 315 00:20:45,525 --> 00:20:48,845 Speaker 1: were not going to do that, and then they did it. Anyway, 316 00:20:50,645 --> 00:20:53,605 Speaker 1: My Teresa's case was given to the Office of Independent Review, 317 00:20:54,125 --> 00:20:57,125 Speaker 1: a civilian oversight group that was supposed to ensure that 318 00:20:57,205 --> 00:21:03,005 Speaker 1: allegations of LASD officer misconduct were investigated fairly. The Office 319 00:21:03,005 --> 00:21:08,245 Speaker 1: of Independent Review produced the report hundreds of pages with 320 00:21:08,365 --> 00:21:12,805 Speaker 1: almost zero proper names. The Office of Independent Review was 321 00:21:12,845 --> 00:21:18,525 Speaker 1: disbanded in twenty fourteen. Most police departments around the country 322 00:21:18,845 --> 00:21:23,245 Speaker 1: have no type of civilian oversight. Jasmine says that my 323 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:26,765 Speaker 1: trease was the inspiration behind her work with the reform 324 00:21:27,005 --> 00:21:32,445 Speaker 1: La Jail's ballot measure. The measure passed in March twenty twenty. 325 00:21:33,165 --> 00:21:36,405 Speaker 1: Jasmine has been advocating for years for the creation of 326 00:21:36,405 --> 00:21:41,485 Speaker 1: the La County Sheriff's Department Civilian Oversight Commission, She wants 327 00:21:41,525 --> 00:21:44,925 Speaker 1: to make sure that it's a truly independent organization and 328 00:21:44,965 --> 00:21:47,405 Speaker 1: that it has the tools necessary to do its job. 329 00:21:48,405 --> 00:21:52,165 Speaker 1: The ballot measure gave the commission subpoena power to effectively 330 00:21:52,205 --> 00:21:57,165 Speaker 1: and independently investigate misconduct, and it requires the attendance of 331 00:21:57,205 --> 00:22:02,165 Speaker 1: witnesses and production of evidence connected to their investigations and oversight. 332 00:22:03,245 --> 00:22:06,245 Speaker 1: When my trease disappeared in two thousand and nine, there 333 00:22:06,365 --> 00:22:10,205 Speaker 1: was no Oversight Commission on that night. If people hear 334 00:22:10,245 --> 00:22:13,045 Speaker 1: about this and they're outraged and they want to do something, 335 00:22:13,045 --> 00:22:14,685 Speaker 1: because we always like to sort of have a call 336 00:22:14,685 --> 00:22:18,125 Speaker 1: to action on what people can actually do, what's the 337 00:22:18,125 --> 00:22:19,965 Speaker 1: best way to put your energy for it and try 338 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:23,845 Speaker 1: to help with us. I mean, at this point in time, 339 00:22:24,725 --> 00:22:30,165 Speaker 1: you know, people need to pay attention to more than 340 00:22:30,205 --> 00:22:34,565 Speaker 1: what's going on in Washington, d C. What happens in 341 00:22:34,565 --> 00:22:38,165 Speaker 1: your backyard affects you way more than anything going on 342 00:22:38,205 --> 00:22:42,565 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. But voters don't tend to pay 343 00:22:42,605 --> 00:22:45,205 Speaker 1: attention to what's going on at city hall, what's going 344 00:22:45,245 --> 00:22:47,805 Speaker 1: on with their county Board of supervisors. Most voters don't 345 00:22:47,805 --> 00:22:51,605 Speaker 1: even know who represents them. At the local level. Everyone 346 00:22:51,645 --> 00:22:53,525 Speaker 1: in this country, no matter where they are. They live 347 00:22:53,565 --> 00:22:57,125 Speaker 1: in some county, they live in some city, they live 348 00:22:57,165 --> 00:23:00,245 Speaker 1: in some state, and at each of those levels there 349 00:23:00,405 --> 00:23:03,805 Speaker 1: is a body of government that governs them, and they 350 00:23:03,925 --> 00:23:08,605 Speaker 1: should be engaged. Believe it or not, most law enforcement 351 00:23:08,645 --> 00:23:12,725 Speaker 1: agencies do not have civilian oversight. There's a really big 352 00:23:12,805 --> 00:23:16,205 Speaker 1: push now, especially in the wake of you know, Breonna 353 00:23:16,285 --> 00:23:20,205 Speaker 1: Taylor and George Floyd and all of these other names. 354 00:23:20,205 --> 00:23:21,805 Speaker 1: So I could go on and on and on, and 355 00:23:22,165 --> 00:23:24,965 Speaker 1: I always call out Matries's name too. I never let 356 00:23:24,965 --> 00:23:29,765 Speaker 1: people forget about Matris, you know, because now people are 357 00:23:29,805 --> 00:23:34,605 Speaker 1: paying attention. And so that's what I tell people, like, 358 00:23:34,685 --> 00:23:37,085 Speaker 1: they have to get engaged at the local level. They 359 00:23:37,085 --> 00:23:40,125 Speaker 1: have to push for these changes. They have to unseat 360 00:23:40,165 --> 00:23:43,685 Speaker 1: people who aren't willing to do the changes and put 361 00:23:43,725 --> 00:23:46,205 Speaker 1: people in the office who are willing to make the changes. 362 00:23:46,245 --> 00:23:50,245 Speaker 1: Because in this country, we only get changed real systemic change, 363 00:23:50,325 --> 00:23:56,085 Speaker 1: real institutional change, two ways court rulings or legislation. It 364 00:23:56,205 --> 00:23:58,445 Speaker 1: just is what it is. That's how we get changed. 365 00:23:58,485 --> 00:24:00,885 Speaker 1: You can protest in the street all you want, but 366 00:24:00,965 --> 00:24:03,845 Speaker 1: if the people who are in power aren't moved by 367 00:24:03,885 --> 00:24:07,325 Speaker 1: your protests to change the law. You're just protesting in 368 00:24:07,365 --> 00:24:14,005 Speaker 1: the street. Sheriff Lee Baca is currently in federal prison. 369 00:24:15,285 --> 00:24:20,205 Speaker 1: He has reportedly been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Jasmine is convinced 370 00:24:20,565 --> 00:24:25,565 Speaker 1: that Sheriff Bacca knows more about my Teres's case. I mean, 371 00:24:25,845 --> 00:24:29,765 Speaker 1: he may end up dying with that secret unless one 372 00:24:29,765 --> 00:24:35,565 Speaker 1: of the other deputies involved want to come forward. Ismail 373 00:24:35,645 --> 00:24:39,845 Speaker 1: Rodriguez and Lazara Sanchez, the deputies who were identified as 374 00:24:39,885 --> 00:24:42,845 Speaker 1: possibly being on camera walking out of the station shortly 375 00:24:42,845 --> 00:24:46,405 Speaker 1: after my Trees, have both been transferred from Lost Hill station. 376 00:24:47,405 --> 00:24:51,765 Speaker 1: Both still work for the LASD. Neither have ever spoken 377 00:24:51,805 --> 00:25:09,685 Speaker 1: publicly about the night my Trees went missing. Officially, my 378 00:25:09,805 --> 00:25:13,365 Speaker 1: Teres's case is still classified as an open investigation, but 379 00:25:13,485 --> 00:25:16,405 Speaker 1: because her death has not officially been rolled a homicide, 380 00:25:17,045 --> 00:25:20,125 Speaker 1: the case, like so many others in Los Angeles and 381 00:25:20,205 --> 00:25:24,005 Speaker 1: around the country, seems to be in limbo. Police have 382 00:25:24,045 --> 00:25:28,125 Speaker 1: described it as a clue driven investigation, which basically means 383 00:25:28,165 --> 00:25:30,405 Speaker 1: if someone comes to them with a lead, they will 384 00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:35,085 Speaker 1: investigate it, but they aren't out knocking on doors. I 385 00:25:35,205 --> 00:25:39,045 Speaker 1: still believe that someone knows something and that there could 386 00:25:39,125 --> 00:25:44,565 Speaker 1: be more clues. Still buried somewhere in dark Canyon. Again, 387 00:25:44,965 --> 00:25:47,925 Speaker 1: part of being a thorough investigator is doing a Sherlock 388 00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:51,725 Speaker 1: Home style process of investigation. Let's take a look at 389 00:25:51,765 --> 00:25:56,725 Speaker 1: the main theories of what could have happened in My Trees. One, 390 00:25:57,005 --> 00:26:00,125 Speaker 1: someone killed her, put her in their car, and dumped 391 00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:04,325 Speaker 1: her body. Now this was a theory that depended on 392 00:26:04,925 --> 00:26:08,245 Speaker 1: the fire road or some access road behind the Malibu 393 00:26:08,285 --> 00:26:11,125 Speaker 1: Canyon ranch or in that general area leading down to 394 00:26:11,165 --> 00:26:13,245 Speaker 1: a point where a body could have been dropped in 395 00:26:13,245 --> 00:26:16,325 Speaker 1: the spot where her remains were found. But now we 396 00:26:16,485 --> 00:26:21,045 Speaker 1: know that that road doesn't exist. The fire road just 397 00:26:21,125 --> 00:26:24,165 Speaker 1: leads to some horse trails, all of them and at 398 00:26:24,205 --> 00:26:27,525 Speaker 1: a very steep drop that puts you almost a mile 399 00:26:27,565 --> 00:26:30,085 Speaker 1: from where the remains were found. And as part of 400 00:26:30,165 --> 00:26:33,285 Speaker 1: checking out this theory, we've also looked at other past 401 00:26:33,325 --> 00:26:36,565 Speaker 1: crimes that involve dumping a body in that area. Some 402 00:26:36,645 --> 00:26:40,365 Speaker 1: were serial killers, others were gang members, but they all 403 00:26:40,445 --> 00:26:43,645 Speaker 1: chose dump sites that were near a road or a turnoff. 404 00:26:44,405 --> 00:26:47,125 Speaker 1: They had a way to drive there. This wasn't the 405 00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:51,285 Speaker 1: case with My Trees. Another theory is that My Trees, 406 00:26:51,805 --> 00:26:55,325 Speaker 1: suffering from some kind of mental breakdown, could have walked 407 00:26:55,325 --> 00:26:58,685 Speaker 1: to the area herself, and then somehow succumbed to the elements. 408 00:26:59,485 --> 00:27:03,045 Speaker 1: Now we can't roll this out completely because hypothermia does 409 00:27:03,165 --> 00:27:06,325 Speaker 1: cause people to take their clothes off, but it's very 410 00:27:06,405 --> 00:27:10,485 Speaker 1: unlikely this was Malibu in late summer. High as in 411 00:27:10,525 --> 00:27:13,485 Speaker 1: the day hit the nineties and the nightly lows only 412 00:27:13,525 --> 00:27:16,445 Speaker 1: went down to the sixties. If she was outside for 413 00:27:16,525 --> 00:27:19,885 Speaker 1: more than a day, she would have been dehydrated and exhausted. 414 00:27:20,405 --> 00:27:22,925 Speaker 1: But it's still very unlikely that this could have led 415 00:27:22,965 --> 00:27:26,405 Speaker 1: to her death that quickly because of the fact that 416 00:27:26,485 --> 00:27:30,085 Speaker 1: it would be difficult, if not impossible, to carry a 417 00:27:30,165 --> 00:27:34,165 Speaker 1: body through Dark Creek the way that we hiked. Some 418 00:27:34,205 --> 00:27:38,005 Speaker 1: people suggested that someone could have killed my trees and 419 00:27:38,085 --> 00:27:41,765 Speaker 1: moved her body to Dark Creek later, but the forensics 420 00:27:41,805 --> 00:27:45,845 Speaker 1: don't really support this. A lot of people mention mummification 421 00:27:46,125 --> 00:27:48,965 Speaker 1: and the fact that the body wouldn't have only been 422 00:27:49,005 --> 00:27:51,285 Speaker 1: partially mummified if it had been out there for a year, 423 00:27:51,365 --> 00:27:54,205 Speaker 1: but forensic experts tell us that this is not the case. 424 00:27:55,165 --> 00:27:57,245 Speaker 1: She wasn't out in the direct sunlight. She was in 425 00:27:57,285 --> 00:27:59,925 Speaker 1: a canyon, and the part of the body where there 426 00:28:00,005 --> 00:28:04,125 Speaker 1: was flesh visible had been buried in the soil. I 427 00:28:04,165 --> 00:28:06,805 Speaker 1: agree with Sheriff fill in a way. I think that 428 00:28:06,845 --> 00:28:10,725 Speaker 1: the evidence supports the theory that my Trees died shortly 429 00:28:10,765 --> 00:28:13,925 Speaker 1: after she went missing, and that her body was not moved. 430 00:28:15,805 --> 00:28:19,365 Speaker 1: Police suggested suicide in the beginning, I would say that's 431 00:28:19,445 --> 00:28:23,045 Speaker 1: absolutely not a possibility in my mind. There's no real 432 00:28:23,165 --> 00:28:25,685 Speaker 1: ledge where she could have leaped to her death and 433 00:28:25,765 --> 00:28:28,485 Speaker 1: had her remains end up at that point. Also, there 434 00:28:28,485 --> 00:28:31,285 Speaker 1: are no broken bones that would have suggested that kind 435 00:28:31,325 --> 00:28:33,285 Speaker 1: of a fall. There's no way that she could have 436 00:28:33,325 --> 00:28:40,285 Speaker 1: committed suicide out there. Another possibility my Trees dehydrated, confused 437 00:28:40,445 --> 00:28:45,725 Speaker 1: and scared, started wandering around, cutting through backyards, and somehow 438 00:28:46,045 --> 00:28:49,925 Speaker 1: ended up near that area, and then at that point 439 00:28:50,125 --> 00:28:53,965 Speaker 1: saw something that she shouldn't have seen. This seems like 440 00:28:54,045 --> 00:28:58,445 Speaker 1: a likelier possibility. We know that cartels were operating marijuana 441 00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,845 Speaker 1: grows in this area, that's why the police were there 442 00:29:00,885 --> 00:29:04,005 Speaker 1: in the first place, and we've found evidence on every 443 00:29:04,045 --> 00:29:06,885 Speaker 1: one of our hikes that they still could be out there. 444 00:29:12,845 --> 00:29:16,245 Speaker 1: So how do we move forward from here? We know 445 00:29:16,365 --> 00:29:20,645 Speaker 1: from Rebecca's case and others that getting answers and justice 446 00:29:20,965 --> 00:29:23,885 Speaker 1: can take a long time. The end of the podcast 447 00:29:23,925 --> 00:29:28,405 Speaker 1: season does not mean the end of the investigation. Once again, 448 00:29:28,725 --> 00:29:31,205 Speaker 1: it's a waiting game. A lot of us grew up 449 00:29:31,245 --> 00:29:34,925 Speaker 1: watching shows like CSI. We were taught that the criminal 450 00:29:35,045 --> 00:29:38,285 Speaker 1: justice system worked, that there's a three act structure. The 451 00:29:38,365 --> 00:29:41,765 Speaker 1: case is presented, investigated, and in the end, for the 452 00:29:41,765 --> 00:29:45,685 Speaker 1: most part, the bad guys get caught. In the final act, 453 00:29:45,885 --> 00:29:48,685 Speaker 1: the bad guy goes to jail, and all the loose 454 00:29:48,805 --> 00:29:53,565 Speaker 1: ends are neatly tied up. Now we know better. We 455 00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:56,845 Speaker 1: know that making progress and cases can take years, and 456 00:29:56,885 --> 00:30:00,005 Speaker 1: that there are often frustrating setbacks along the way, and 457 00:30:00,085 --> 00:30:03,645 Speaker 1: sometimes it's not clear who the good guys and the 458 00:30:03,645 --> 00:30:07,965 Speaker 1: bad guys are. As Jasmine pointed out ten years ago, 459 00:30:08,205 --> 00:30:11,645 Speaker 1: the idea that police officers would have their actions dissected 460 00:30:11,685 --> 00:30:15,325 Speaker 1: on the nightly news was unthinkable. Would my teres have 461 00:30:15,365 --> 00:30:17,885 Speaker 1: gone missing in today's climate with the knowledge that we 462 00:30:17,965 --> 00:30:21,245 Speaker 1: have now. Sadly we'll never know the answer to that, 463 00:30:22,005 --> 00:30:24,925 Speaker 1: but we can help make it part of my Teresa's 464 00:30:25,005 --> 00:30:28,525 Speaker 1: legacy to make sure that what happened to her never 465 00:30:28,605 --> 00:30:33,125 Speaker 1: happens to anyone again. We know that law enforcement are 466 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:36,685 Speaker 1: watching us, and we have to make sure that we're 467 00:30:36,725 --> 00:30:40,925 Speaker 1: watching them. It can take a long time for people 468 00:30:40,965 --> 00:30:43,645 Speaker 1: to come forward and for new clues and new evidence 469 00:30:43,685 --> 00:30:47,165 Speaker 1: to come to light. It's our role as podcasters to 470 00:30:47,165 --> 00:30:50,205 Speaker 1: get my Teresa's story out there, to put pressure on 471 00:30:50,285 --> 00:30:54,445 Speaker 1: law enforcement and people who have answers, and then wait, 472 00:30:55,845 --> 00:30:58,365 Speaker 1: this may be the end of the podcast season, but 473 00:30:58,445 --> 00:31:01,085 Speaker 1: it's not the end of the investigation. We're going to 474 00:31:01,205 --> 00:31:04,405 Speaker 1: keep searching for answers, whether they come in the form 475 00:31:04,565 --> 00:31:09,805 Speaker 1: of evidence, new people coming forward, or other secrets that 476 00:31:09,965 --> 00:31:14,925 Speaker 1: may be still buried somewhere in dark Canyon. I'm Katherine 477 00:31:14,965 --> 00:31:19,565 Speaker 1: Townsend and this is Helen Gone. Helen Gone is the 478 00:31:19,605 --> 00:31:22,965 Speaker 1: production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio. It's written and 479 00:31:23,045 --> 00:31:26,805 Speaker 1: narrated by me, Katherine Townsend. Our producers are Gabby Watts, 480 00:31:27,005 --> 00:31:30,765 Speaker 1: Taylor Church, and James Morrison. Music is by Ben Sale. 481 00:31:31,285 --> 00:31:35,325 Speaker 1: Mixed is by Tunewelders. Our executive producers are Brandon barr, 482 00:31:35,445 --> 00:31:40,205 Speaker 1: Els Crowley and Brian Lavin. Special thanks to Chipcroft for 483 00:31:40,285 --> 00:32:02,005 Speaker 1: use of footage from his documentary Boss Compassion, School of Humans. 484 00:32:06,125 --> 00:32:07,045 Speaker 1: School of Humans